The Better Boarding Method Airlines Won't Use
2019 ж. 3 Ақп.
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I feel like he wrote this script while waiting to board a plane.
I bet he did this animation at the airplane
This boy does a LOT of research, research none would be fulfilled doing on a single screen phone compared to a 2-3 monitor setup with note paper.
@@mattripodi6474 He could be on a laptop, as shown at 4:46.
I think it's more likely a recent flight inspired him to make a video on it.
Wow stolen
“to achieve this ballet, there are no boarding groups…” magnificent
one can only dream...
Socialists everywhere rejoice
I get why he says that but it's also sorta like there's dozens of boarding groups, one for each passenger
@@mariocastello8746Yeah, it's definitely X boarding group for X people. No groups would be the old method of letting people get on in no order at all.
i it
If you wanted the slowest possible method of boarding, front to back seems decent enough, but doing the Steffen method in reverse seems ideal. Front to back, don't alternate, seated from the aisles out to the window. Maximises seat shuffling, minimises pullaways and parallels. Call it the Steffen Corrupted.
This method would only be used by sadists. Well done.
This comment wins lmao
@@LtLeo don’t give ideas to Ryan Air
this man went full malice. even satan fears him a little
The Neffets method
Having worked in aviation for years (cabin crew for many) I can’t even begin to explain how badly normal people who ordinarily excel in everyday life seem to completely loose all sense of intelligence the moment the enter an airport.
Worked in holiday Ressorts & I used to say exactly that… people somehow don’t fit their brain into the suitcase when traveling 🙈
That’s probably the sleep deprivation and aggravation at humanity talking
“No signs of intelligent life here”
It's because people are constantly being told what to do and the more directive you get over someone the more they switch off their own sense of responsibility.
I work at a hospital Starbucks and you’d be surprised how many doctors and nurses loose all intelligence in line for coffee
"The human inability to follow instructions is breathtaking". That aged well.
ppl sadly stupid, or just too different in cultures :/
@@livingthedream3329 yea
@@livingthedream3329 normal people are normal they usa the mostly used one
comunities like china and japan probably follow instructions like these way better than americans do, so it might work in asia
@@pluggothesluggo5509 well
“You cant just open the boarding gate and let everyone flock in like cattle” UK: watch
not only that, most uk planes have a front and back entrance
shoutout ryanair for being the worst offender
@@acousticanalyst5147 front and back entrance makes so much sense. You effectively (in a perfect world) half the time by halving the queue in either side.
Same in the Netherlands Theres priority boarding and then theres the rest 😂😂
@@orionzspark Ryanair is not a UK airline.
As an airline pilot let me give you my 2 cents. Passengers don't slow down loading, cargo baggage does. The time it takes to get people's bags under the aircraft takes forever. The passenger will actually board before their bag goes through all the extra security on it's way to the plane.
Yea. If airlines made it cheaper to check more luggage and just didn’t allow carryons except in necessary cases, it would probably make air travel more convenient in general. Boarding would be faster, TSA checks would be faster, and passengers wouldn’t have to wheel around heavy suitcases except when they’re entering and leaving the airport. But that would likely only happen if air travel were nationalized
@@brasteryakintosh9418 Ironically, Clashing Images Productions was actually making the exact opposite point you think you're agreeing with. They're saying that it's *checked* baggage that slow down the process the most, *not* carry-on baggage. Although I get your perspective, as I'm sure most of us regular passengers would, that it seems to us like the carry-on luggage being stowed in the over-head bins are the culprit, OP being a pilot is saying that from inside the system, it's what you don't see that is really slowing you down
huh, that's an excellent point. if you look out the window you often see the baggage getting loaded even after everyone has more or less settled inside.
@@brasteryakintosh9418 flying is so cheap already.
@@tchevrier It is not. Maybe inside a country with many airlines on the market competing with the prices, but globally it is still hella expensive.
As an airline pilot, I can say that the turnaround time is not normally limited by passenger boarding or deplaning. The refueling and cargo/bag loading take longer and limit the time. My opinion is that fewer rules to follow will give customers less to worry about.
don't stop nerds solving logical puzzles that no one needs to be solved XD
from a user experience pov, if you make the boarding as quick as possible - the customer will assume they'll take off quicker, however, their assumptions will lead to disappointments due to the fact that, as you've mentioned, refueling and cargo loading takes a lot of time too. if you think about it logically, if the onboarding takes as much time as the refueling and the loading, once the person finally sits down, they're going to think that they will take off soon - which in this case would be the truth and sort of an illusion of "we're taking off as soon as everyone boards" and it doesn't matter how quickly the plane boards similarly, in the airports - if from the point you leave the plane, to the point you pick up your baggage is short and you arrive quicker than the baggage does, you are going to be annoyed. the best solution, which a lot of airports take approach on, is making the walk to the baggage area a lot longer than it needs to be, in this way, the illusion is, it isn't the baggage that is slow, we just need to walk a lot further to get to it. as people are doing a task that seems necessary, they aren't focused so much on what is going on in the background.
@@starinthefuture Yes, that. "Hey, everyone. Plane's here. Go ahead."
Air Cal would refuel, unload, reload, usually in fifteen minutes or less. Stairs front for boarding, aft stairs for deplaning.
May be it's time the author of the video makes a video about the fastest way to load luggage onto the plane!
Have the flight attendant crack a whip every time someone takes more than 5 seconds putting in their luggage
That's my fetish.
yesterday, i just witnessed a flight attendant fight over and over to get a center compartment closed with a hard bottom bag that was clearly too big for the compartment when it was JUST announced by the captain that the outboard compartments in this particular plane were larger and therefore the larger bags should go in the outboard compartments. This instruction was seemingly ignored by both passengers AND flight attendants and eventually took 2 flight attendants and 3 passengers to solve this conundrum. ...so i don't have a lot of faith in flight attendants being able to help the situation.
Wouldn’t work unless they’d actually hit people Also they’d get sued, now if I wouldn’t be sued for kicking people who do it...
this enraged the flight attendants, who will punish them severely.
The Looinrims make them sign a contract
I liked the hand sanitizer after the high fives at 2:00.
I thought he was preparing a meal or something. 😂
I thought he was uh... ya know...
The fact that the one sanitizing is a robot just makes it better.
oh that's what it was..
The robot is CGP Grey. He's famously afraid of germs (although obviously he's 100% right and all of us are the crazy ones)
You forgot to factor in the limited overhead storage that the rear passengers use in the front as they pass by. Thereby making front passengers look for space further in and then have to swim back upstream against the traffic flow to get to their seat.
I never understood people who did that. If my seat is at the back I just carry my bag to the back. Makes it easier to find after the flight.
@@rosyreverie a lot of people are selfish pricks
That’s a thing? That doesn’t even make sense? I thought it was common sense to put your luggage near you and the only time I didn’t was when all the spaces around my seat were taken.
@@Sweet.peach21 It is most definitely a thing. Nevermind how it doesn't make sense. If they could I'm certain they would drop their luggage on the floor as they entered.
@@Sweet.peach21 yes, the vast majority of people try to put their luggage close to where their seat is. But this gets harder to do, the more people have already done it and by the end it simply might not be possible anymore.
Shout out to the guys who only bring 1 bag and literally sit in their seat and then slide the backpack under their seat. You are Steffen Perfect
Tell me about it, people these days really abuse the carry on luggage allowances and really overstuff their bags.
I don't even bring a carry on bag 😂
I always do that, sure I get if you're going away for weeks, but you can easily fit 3 days of clothes into a single backpack, and as long as its light enough you dont even need to store it in the plane. The only thing you need to take in, is a carry on that you just put under your seat
As a guy whose current job is to fly around all over the nation doing installations, who always does one checked bag and one backpack, you're welcome.
@@META_mahn You still check a bag, you're not helping much.
*"The human inability to follow instructions is breathtaking."*
A great and deep truth, there! Goes right along with "Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity."!
@@kateshiningdeer3334 Ah, good ol' Hanlon's razor.
@Serbian do you wear seatbelts
@Serbian so your'e a nudist who only wears clothes to go shopping?
No, you’re breathtaking!
How bad was ur flight man
@Dcard Dcardian on the inside... does that count?
Well the reaper was on it.
use 2 doors 2x efficiency
@Kadance Collins same
the baby cried the hole time Rebu
When boarding a domestic flight in Australia, as you enter the aerobridge, there is a sign which directs rows 1-15 to continue along the aerobridge and board the aircraft through the front door, and rows 15+ to walk down the stairs out onto the apron and board using the rear stairs, filling the plane from both ends.
if you can't manage stairs what happens? do you have to mark that at booking so you're in 1-15?
@@catpellaPeople with disabilities or other special needs will normally tick some box while ordering their ticket, and get priority boarding alongside first class.
It is funny to think that no boarding system at all is superior to every boarding system used by airlines today.
The only country that uses boarding groups is America. Everywhere else has no boarding system.
@@BlueSkyeDays. I wouldn't know, I have never been in an airport. I have said it before, I am not afraid of flying, but I demand the same conditions that I get on a port. Me arriving 30 minutes before takeoff and the only security being me showing my passport and the ticket. What do I have in my bag? that is none of your business. but for the sake of argument lets just say that it is a kilogram of cocaine, a kilogram of plastic explosive with a detonator, and a fully loaded AK-47
I have flown a lot in my 58 years and I will say the real problem began when airlines started charging extra for luggage. Suddenly everyone had carry-ons and this slowed boarding down dramatically. I remember the day when the only thing I took on the plane was my handbag, which I stowed under the seat in front of me after I was seated.
@Steve Acho Really !! I live in Europe and every time I take a flight I have this exact message "The flight is complete, so we advise you to leave your hand luggage in the hold at no extra charge". I did it all the time and I even wish that the flight will be complete
I think there is also something to be said about baggage claim inefficiencies. Sometimes if you check a bag and have a connecting flight the underluggage doesn't make the transfer leaving you stranded with whatever you could fit in your purse for a day. Also, waiting for 40 min at your final destination for the baggage to start coming down the carousel even if you didn't transfer. Then having to wait for the luggage to make enough rounds that you can tell if it was lost or damaged is a huge waste of time. Especially in countries where instead of forming a circle standing well back from the carousel so everyone has a clear view and path to the bags, and can grab theirs as soon as it lands on their side, the people crowd right up to the side to wait for the bags. Resulting in shoving through people,, walking around people for better views, chasing your bag around the carousel or waiting for another revolution because you can't get to it in time with all the people in the way. And finally dragging your bag through a throng of randomly placed people doing the same. I avoid checked luggage not only for the fees. But by preference.
I guess the way to get around it is to allow one bag checked free and instead charge for using the overhead bins. If you book a connecting flight less than, say, 1 hour layover time, the computer would know that and offer you a free space in the overhead bin. Then the only people using the bins would be business travelers and people on their first leg of travel. It's a compromise.
@@fazdoll - The policing would then cause the hold-ups.
As a one bag traveler, who uses under seat, I agree.
Actually, the first encounter I ever had with boarding groups was on a flight to the US. All flights I have had before, mainly in Europe, were what you describe as: "Hey guys, plane's ready."
southwest airlines sort of has the inverse of the random method. you're not assigned seats, and though you're supposed to stand in an exact order, the boarding groups are only for economic incentives. when you get on the plane, you can sit anywhere you'd like.
Even the Asian airlines usually avoid boarding groups at least in Singapore
same here is Australia. The only time ive been on a flight that boarded in groups was a fight from Dubai on one of those massive Airbusses.
Yea, I don't know if its a european thing, but most people that I see on a plane don't like keeping the rest of the passengers waiting and so put their bags a way as fast as possible
Im from the US, and I’ve mostly traveled in Europe when vacationing… but I agree, AND sometimes they’ll have both the front of the plane and back open for boarding.
i just went on a flight recently and they said: “boarding groups 1-4, 5, 6, everyone get on” and it was the fastest i’ve ever gotten on a plane and it made me think of this haha
I was on a flight a few months ago and they had a different method where the plane had a door at the front and one at the rear. So it went front to middle and back to middle simultaneously. Seemed like a smart idea, except for the fact that you inevitably got people near the back who entered from the front, or vice versa, and all of a sudden you had an even larger traffic jam than before, since now both lines were getting stopped by whatever random person didn't enter from the correct door and was trying to move against the flow...
Never claim something is the slowest, for the reaper always has something slower
I have seen this boarding technique before. It never works as expected because, like you said, people have an innate inability to follow basic rules on an airport. It's like they leave all their senses at home when they leave for the airport.
This seems like a resolvable concern. For example, we won’t allow you to board the wrong passenger boarding bridge.
This video is definitely a curse, every single time I am waiting to leave a plane It will pop into my mind as I wait far too long for people in front of me to leave
If it makes you feel better, there's still a ton of work that has to happen in the background before a plane is ready to takeoff. They gotta load luggage, refuel, routine inspections, personnel swaps etc. All that is to say, there have been plenty of times where everyone boards the plane and the plane still sits at the gate for another 5-10 minutes sorting out whatever miscellaneous stuff needs doing. Meaning a faster boarding time wouldn't have equated to a faster takeoff at all
@@MrPromitheus my favorite is when the boarding goes really fast but then I sit in the plane on the tarmac for an hour because some undefined thing is wrong and we can't taxi or take off until it's fixed. I mean I get it, I can't be upset that there's an issue with some important thing, but it's still a little funny.
front to back unboarding is to prevent tipping is certain type of a/c. google aircraft tipping to see better
That's why I have been instilled with the moral to stay in my seat or stand at my seat while those behind me go foward.
5:35 probably one of the best usages of Tchaikovsky’s Waltz of the Flowers
It was timed perfectly😭
6:35-6:36 was timed perfectly also 🤣
Yes 😂
so thats what its called
@@cake_404 yes
Can I volunteer an idea to help with human’s inability to follow instructions ? It’s the fact that when people don’t know you’re breaking a rule, it’s much easier to break it. An example is people boarding the plane although it’s not their group’s turn. In comparison, when plane staff calls people group by group to UNBOARD the plane (row 1 to 15, 15 to 30 and so on), people tend to follow that rule much more, otherwise it’s OBVIOUS they’re braking it and are trying to take advantage of the system and go past people they were not meant to. SO an idea would be to make rule breaking obvious from the start, for example by printing boarding passes of different colors, and calling them out by colors (« we now invite passengers with a RED ticket to board the plane »). This would draw attention to the ticket’s color which is obvious to everyone, and people couldn’t hope that the front desk staff will « not notice » that they’re from another group. In my mind, it works !
That's pretty clever
I like the idea, however printed boarding passes are not quite a thing of the past yet but they are going that way. I don't really recall the last time I had a paper boarding pass versus just a QR code on my phone and while certainly they could make the image on the phone screen color coded, the fact that you don't even need to turn your phone screen on until you get up to the gate agent would make it less obvious to those around you.
Boarding when your group is called is ineffective in my opinion. I say that because every time I did that, there was t any overhead room left above my seat. People store multiple things in the bins instead of below the seat.
Colourblindness aside, it wouldn't help anyway as boarding passes are becoming digital, mere QR codes on people's phones.
I’m sure it’s more expensive to color a ticket then just have it white with black text. Plus even when everybody is seated you’re usually still waiting on the luggage to be put in the bottom of the plan so realistically it doesn’t matter how fast the plane is boarded.
The ending is the most tragic part by far. Not only is leaving the plane incredibly slow, but optimising that process would be so simple, it's easy and intuitive to explain to people. You'd just have to get one side of the aisle row to stand up and leave, then the other side aisle, then middle etc.
And families who can't seperate gotta wait till the end? Or something
Passengers: "BUT I WANNA GET ON THE PLANE NOW!" Crew: "the only difference is you're gonna sit in a plane instead of sitting in an airport. The plane leaves when it's ready, not when you are."
If you have a carryon, the biggest difference might be having the overhead storage fill up and having to wait for your bag to be brought to you after you de-plane.
@@sandyandrewsu For me, it’s anxiety. I’m constantly on edge until everything is put away on the plane and I’m seated, as if I’ve messed up somehow and it’ll leave without me unless I’m on it. Being already seated = no worries about some stranger in my seat I’ll have to coax/bully out of it, I don’t have to think about whether this is the right plane after all or I’m at the wrong gate, all my stuff is accounted for and I have nothing else to think/worry about that’s under my control. Obviously, being nervous means I don’t have the cojones to be a Karen/Darren and yell at crew for not hurrying me on already though lmao, waiting in queues is a part of life. No clue how people get so entitled.
*The plane doesn't arrive when it wants to, only when I want to*
Facts!
and that’s why I like to wait until the majority of passengers get on the plane and then get on the board. I’m just too lazy to stand and wait in the line.
I like that the guy in 1D had his martini the whole time
i thought you meant 1 direction and was so confused which guy
It's funny you come here indirectly begging for subs and likes because your verified but you don't get any
I thought you meant a guy who was drawn in 1st dimension
thats 2d, sir
That, my sir is 2D.
I just love coming back to this video whenever I board a Plane. I have "Boarding Group 51" right now. I'll get up from my waiting seat towards the end of it, since i have an aisle seat.
4:30 The seat shuffle is a HUGE DEAL. You’re just looking at the aggregate but if you look at individual frustration, a lot of Bonobo bickering would be solved and less people would flip out and delay the entire flight so they can de board the person suffering at the hands of Parkinson’s Law.
huh? You sound like an airline seating specialist on crack.
I love how everyone is smiling happily in his dream outcome, and everyone is sad normally
omg i never noticed that
100 like club
That’s just life man
I didn’t realize how satisfying turning 999 likes to 1000 would be
That_One_Doggo i didn’t realise how many likes I had 😳
Fastest way: Get 2 aircraft cabins. Get people in the seats before the aircraft arrives. Take out the other cabin, put the new one in and go :D
?
This man lives in the year 3000
Ok but this kind of thing would actually be really cool. Like plane cabin legos
You should patent this 😂
Depending on how you make the cabin, you could make it a emergency-escape-pod. Something goes wrong-> explosive bolts detatch the tail, retro-rokets make the cabin shoot out of the pain and parashutes do the rest. Sure, yall be sufficating due to de-pressuring but yall get to tell the tale.
The fastest way, and applicable in low cost airlines, would be to not assign seats in advance, but print the seat allocation at the gate. This way, we can fill out the plane back to front and window to aisle simultaneously, and maintain groups sitting together.
Why are CGP Grey's wording rhymes so nicing but yet not so noticeable? Love it
There is actually an interesting boarding method that the military uses when they do mass transportation of soldiers that is potentially more efficent then Steffan Perfect. When the US Military deploys entire batallions or brigades of troops from one continent to another, they do so by chartering entire 777 or other dreamliner class trans-oceanic flights. The method is back to front, every second isle, but with a twist. You load back to front, no choice of which seat, and you do not stowe your bag immediatly. You sit down in the seat with your bag in your lap and wait. Once the row has filled and the row in front has filled, all bags are passed to the isle seat, who shoves them all into the overhead bins one by one for the entire row. While you are sitting down with your bag in your lap, you have a couple moments to pull out whatever items you will immediatly need and prep your bag to be stowed. I do not know if the method has a specific name, but I experienced it on three separate occations going to or from deployments. This seating method basicly reduces all stopages from stowing bags and from seat shuffling to nearly zero. This however would basicaly never work for a civillian flight for many reasons. People traveling together and trust being the major issues. General travelers will likely not trust in handing their bag of personal belongings to a random stranger to have them stuff it into the overhead, and the random isle-seat passenger will probably not be willing to do the extra work of putting 5-7 bags into he overhead one after another. (As I said, trans-pacific flights, where it's two isles and 7-8 seats in the middle row and 4-5 in each side row, and sometimes even an upstairs and downstairs.) People traveling in groups would want to all sit together, and this seating method has basicly zero promise that they will even be in the same row, as by the time they get to their seats, the group might be split between two entirly different sections. So while this seating method is highly efficent, it can basicly only occur when every single person involved is on the same page, knows the plan, and is basicly ordered 'this is how this is going to happen so just shut up and do it because it's not up for debate' Edit : It's also one of the only times when every single person on the plane has at least one firearm, but they have all taken the bolt out and put it in their pocket, and nobody has any ammo.
This should be top comment
Damn that's amazing. Nice of you to take the time to write it out. Really glad I decided to rewatch this video today.
Cool! Thank you for the information, random knowledgeable internet stranger!
Too much text, but this is pure perfection.
If nobody has any ammo then why the gun?
That's weird. Here in Europe everytime I have flown somewhere, they just announced: "The plane is here, you can start boarding". And everyone just starts boarding. Without any groups or anything.
Same here in Asia. I saw other comments saying that boarding groups were an american thing.
There's definitely boarding groups in Europe too. Depends on the airline.
They're definitely a thing in Europe
@@taggamer335 in indonesia certain flights have groupings
Same
I have almost always flown with Delta and they load front to back. I had always heard about how they were evil, but I didn't realize they were actually the reaper.
This is why when I am on a plane I pick the very last row and I blissfully wait my turn both boarding and exiting, because the real bliss is to not let the time it takes get you in a bad mood. If you approach life in this way, everyday is a vacation because you’re just happy to be on a plane at all, remembering all the souls who never have or never will have that privilege. It’s all about perspective.
It's SO FUN sitting back while the entire rest of the plane is stressing to deboard. I'll listen to music, read a book, or generally relax until the plane is close to empty. Amazingly relaxing compared to standing for 5-10min like fish in a barrel.
There is one Brazilian Airline (Azul Airlines) that uses the Steffen Perfect. They have projectors in the ceiling of boarding gates that projects on the ground the sets that should be entering in the correct order, meanwhile the other passengers can wait seated. It's very effective and super fun way to board! hahaha
TA ME TIRANDO! Nunca viajei de azul, agora quero
They're also perhaps the best delivery company in Brazil (outside of international companies).
This is true, I have flown on azul airlines
I have the perception that LATAM uses the Steffen Modified method
How do they exit the plane? The slow way?
I’ve been flying for 20 years and not once have I boarded with “window, middle aisle.”
same
I've done it exactly once. In Japan. Because of course it was in Japan. It was a sight to behold, the whole gate was empty until like 20 minutes prior when suddenly the entire group of passengers came down the hallway and immediately proceeded to be boarded efficiently in about 15 before the plane took off for an on time departure. I'm still not entirely convinced I didn't just dream it, but I know I got to Osaka that day somehow.
honestly thats awful in real life application. if its a mother with 2 kids flying they will all be split up
All the time I was flying I have only ever boarded with "random"
Eyy you’re Turkish
This could easily be solved by having assigned seating in the waiting area. Each seat would have various numbers or labels that would correspond with the waiting area. People would come in and sit in their seat in the order they will be on the airplane. Then one entire row all window A seats could get up at the same time and single file go onto the plane back to front. Now airports have a variety of airplanes, and so it would not be needed to shuffle chairs, one could have different labels (green, blue, red,) and if using airplane A everyone sits in seats according to that color label. A flight attendent could walk around and help people as needed ahead of time, if there were difficulties in getting ready. It might also be easier to do every other row. (We are now boarding A seats even numbers, we are boarding A seats odd numbers.) If the seats were laid out carpet colors or tape on the carpet could make it easier for everyone to "know" where they are on the airplane. This could even include indications for bathrooms and or emergency exits. As parties want to board together, they wait till the last person in the party boards.
*HIRE THIS MAN*
@@leopoldstotch7711 Not so fast. This post graduate solution does not account for the multitude of different airframes--and their associated seating schema--that fly out of a given gate.
@@LClarke *HIRE THIS MAN AND PIT HIM AGAINST THAT MAN*
Your best point was definitely that you said parties could wait until the last person is called and board with them. But like clarke said, the seating arrangement would be tough because each airplane that a boards at a given gate would have a different seat layout. Not only that, but people often like privacy at gates since they work and charge their electronics. Not to mention, airports don't have that kind of space-- they can't just have an entire airplane sized boarding area.
@@blueberrymuffin4921 Yes, many times airports will load multiple planes and gates all in the matter of a few minutes. An alternative of this would be to have a standing area, with assigned numbers on the floor. "Everyone in SEATS A please rise and get in order by your seat number according to the floor numbers." Unfortunately, airports have been really slow on adding in the charging ports, and for a while some airports even purposely hid and removed outlets. Fortunately now, it seems like there are more and more outlets. Today, it makes sense to put them everywhere. Still, would love to see a better method, but who know if it will ever happen.
Flew with JAL, and they used the window-aisle method. Worked very well and it was a quick pushback
"The plane is here, go ahead everyone" is what we do in Asia tho. (first-class still goes first ofc)
@Iamin Yourmom Depends where in Asia you are, though I may just be saying that because I've a free pass in the form of a toddler
@Iamin Yourmom have been to Baltimore?? I guess not
@Iamin Yourmom Horrendously more efficient.
True
Relatable, I was confused about the system he was talking about in the beginning lol. Turns out, we just have different systems
ill admit, when i clicked on this vid i did not expect such poetic interjections
Welcome to CGP Grey
he definately spends a monthon the script itself
Never seen window-to-aisle in reality, but I would love to observe how families with kids or groups in general react to this 😄
Lufthansa uses the window-middle-aisle method (groups 3, 4, and 5, respectively). Families are a non-issue because they're always entitled to priority boarding
A similar video for passenger-side in airports in general would be great, it feels like there would be a much better way to get every passenger arriving to an airport bag-dropped and through security more seamlessly and in less time
The second sentence of this video: “You can’t just throw open the gates.” *proceeds to explain that it’s more efficient to throw open the gates*
TheDiamondStudio 562 it’s called irony and sarcasm. People can’t grasp that no system is better than a bad system and Grey is being cheeky about it
@@eran5005 edit: _very_ cheeky about it
If everyone was a computer simulated person who just found a seat automatically, then sure, opening the gates and letting them at it would technically work, but real life doesn't work like that, people would get into arguments, one person would get on and try claiming two rows of seats "because their family is boarding soon" and not budge like people do in parking lots, and it would just end up a mess.
Like a parent who's child is sitting next to them in the window seat while they sit in the middle seat, a lot of parents would be uncomfortable letting their child board first while they stand in perfect line for efficiency's sake, so while in theory a perfect order line looks great, humans are not comfortable following the rules.
@@G1NZOU I get your point but in the throw open the gates method I would assume you bring your whole family or at least the family in the same set of seats with you. Also you still have boarding passes with assigned seats so you don't go completly wild and just claim any random seat, that way lies madness. The benefit was groups of people would find their assigned seats and stow luggage randomly thoughout the plane, increasing the pullaways and parallels.
I'm sticking with my theory of having the seats on the outside of the plane.
Enjoy the breeze!
how about we cover the plane in flypaper and slingshot passengers at the fuselage. no seats needed.
@@thecanadianfuhrer8602 cursed *yeet*
imagine if the flight turned and you didn't have a seatbelt on
@@thecanadianfuhrer8602 i see that you are man of HOI4
One time I flew to Ireland from Italy, but one flight with like 300 people had landed JUST before mine. To make it better, I was at the back of the plane. And I had another flight in 1 hour that I needed to get on to go back home. Needless to say, I have never ran as fast as I did that day.
According to this video, the fastest boarding time is to have the people sit in their seats before they board the plane and teleport them inside the fuselage.
1:06 Top ten rappers Eminem was too afraid to diss
Loooooool
@@camminthefirst yep
This rhyming is pretty dope but it's closer to the level of Dr. Seuss... Eminem is the Rap God!!!
I was thinking "This guy reads Dr. Seuss" instead
@@kartikiyer3067 cpg grey is rap god
As a European, I genuinely thought that everyone just did the “planes here” method
Same, I've never heard of boarding groups before this video
USA used to about 10~15 years ago
In the U.S., it's a way for airlines to make more money. You pay more to board earlier.
@@RockSprites I never understood this concept. I want to be the last to board. I would pay extra to sit in a bar and be texted when my seat is ready and all the simpletons are waiting. Of course, with guaranteed luggage space. That's the priority I want
@@chicoktc I wouldn't trust the plane not to leave without me
I have a tons of ideas to improve boarding : - have more doors - have less seats per row - have more stops so not everyone boards and leaves at the same time - have longer vehicles - have more flexible bag storing, with overhead storing that can be smaller, as well as large accessible bag storing shelves periodically (next to doors and in the middle) Oh, that sounds a lot like a train...
Have less seats per row 🤣🤣🤣 It's like asking for airline's kidneys
Lmao I appreciate the sentiment cause trains are based, but I would really like to see you take a train from New York to Melbourne. Even if such a train track can somehow be built in the distant future, it would take weeks to reach the destination. Another alternative is a ship, but that will take you several months. Planes are simply essential when travelling internationally, outside of Europe.
@@oneliberal7142 Well for a new york to Melbourne the flight is so long that the boarding time becomes negligible. I don't think boarding efficiency is a problem for these kinds of flights
@@jeanphilippeardrone5135 Oh I'm not referring to that. It's that you said train would be better for boarding and I just pointed out that although it may be true, it won't apply in all cases.
Fewer
The use of sanitizer following the triple high five is GOLD
Other airlines: Boarding groups. Turkish Airlines (and maybe some others): Plane here, go on, we have doors both front and back so we use both.
Yes so simple I love it
SONUNDA ARADIĞIM YORUM OHHHH
I was surprised to learn recently that the front and back doors are not exclusive to certain airlines but actually a feature on many planes, it's just that many airports only have the sky bridges for one door. I was on a domestic US flight recently on a relatively small plane, and I had a connection at a small airport I had never flown into before. To my surprise, they had 2 bridges and were able to use both doors, so getting on and off was quick and easy. The vast majority of airports don't seem to do this though, at least here in the US.
@@davidboeger6766 Ngl, on my last flight (1 hour flight, small plane) they took us from the gate with a bus and we boarded with move-able escalators.
@@umutcantacer7271 I've had that as well a couple of times, but actually on larger international flights to China. Some of the Chinese airports aren't really designed with gates at the building itself, so they have to bus people out to the area where the planes are.
I feel like CGP Grey made this video while having a 12 hour layover for his flight
rejvaik his work flow is weeks of research followed by script writing and then a weekend of animation. Thats one hell of a lay over. Not the worst ive seen tho
If I hade that long of a layover with no sleep, I would literally go insane
@@daniwalmsley611 I think they made a joke
SomeDawidGuy I was making a joke about ridiculously long lay overs
@@therealdave06 r/woooosh
Absolutely love the animation. Honestly could watch all of KZhead like this.
I love how informative yet entertaining this is, especially with the casual poems and fancy sounding quotes dropped in.
"For every complex problem there is a solution that is both simple, obvious and wrong."
You got lots of likes
@@toastuart9301 I did not expect it myself. But I was quoting what someone else had on their forum signature. It just seemed very fitting for the initial listing.
Occam's Miracle Hair Gel
Why call it a solution then?
"H. L. Mencken wrote that for every complex human problem, there is a solution that is neat, simple and wrong. Government hiring as a solution to unemployment is such a case. ... Mencken once observed, for every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, obvious, and wrong." quoteinvestigator.com/2016/07/17/solution/
And I’m the jerk who just waits in the terminal until y’all get your seating figured out and stroll in and sit down at the last minute... I don’t have patience for the line 😂
That is the sensible approach. 👍 Unfortunately, you have to rely on too many people not having the same idea!
I recommend you watch Michael McIntyre's sketch on plane boarding
@@thursoberwick1948 And also hope, especially in low-cost flights, that they'll have enough room for your carry-on and that you don't have to go back out to check it.
It's not jerky. I do the same thing and all the people in a hurry to get on the plane get on faster.
@@sharathsh9987 depending on the target airport that could be the plan from the beginning. Was flying a couple of times with cabin luggage only and waited until the last moment to get the chance to of it being checked in. (with a small bag inside the luggage to take out). By the time I've passed the belts the luggage was already there.
I love how the expression of boarding people changes when they board at theoretically fastest boarding method.
Air New Zealand board forward half on the front gate, back half through the tarmac to the back door. It works really well.
The easiest method is to be in a pandemic, there’s like 10 people per flight.
@ExtraGoose Animations they dont. I had to take a flight three days ago and they're ALL full 🤢
@@whalienreader1261 Oh damn, a month or two ago I took a flight from Edinburgh to Exeter and there was about 10 or so people on it but that might just be because Exeter airport is absolutely tiny.
Not true, I am from Spain but live in Belgium so I travel quite regularly, and let me tell you all flights I have been this year were full to say the least.
I went from California to New York a couple months ago and the plane was COMPLETELY full 🤢🤢 some of the ppl weren't even wearing masks like wtf After that flight I went from NY to Munich and there was like barely anyone there lol I got a whole row ALL to myself 😀😀
Go someone that requires a visa. My flight from Canada to South Korea was amazing. I've done this flight 20 times now. This was the best. All the seats I wanted. Flight attendant at my beck and call.
The plane I use is always random boarding. I thought that that was annoying until I saw this video.
TIME TRAVEL
Emma Wang I hope your joking
I just realized that "50 years ago" was part of his username.
Moon Light House no really you don’t say
this is always done in europe mostly
People are always late, running out of cargo space, and rearranging seats to sit with each other and at the window.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention it but what airlines should do is board from the BACK and board front to back. That keeps the profit incentive but minimizes the bottlenecks.
I feel like the "ideal world" method might actually work in a place like Japan.
Japan is such a good country. I feel ashamed a little about canada
@@ryanramjattan8714 weeb
@@Liam_The_Great says a lot about you..
@@Invictus173 like what
@@Liam_The_Great a classic boomer might i suggest would be a great description..
Life pro tip if/when assigned a seat & packed light: don’t get into the line at all. Wait until everyone else has boarded. Sit leisurely in the waiting area. As they announce final boarding, walk on and sit down - line free.
That's what I do, and prefer. I would rather stretch my legs than be in a cramped plane while waiting for everyone else to board. I also don't have to wait for a line for my ticket to be scanned either
That's what I always do.
I always do this. Could never understand people's rush to get onto a plane that is going to wait for everyone to board before departing. You just end up sitting for longer on a cramped airplane. Good job.
@@natsuneisen6208 They don't want to end up having their bag gate checked because the overhead storage is full when the last few people board.
This strategy relies on everyone else NOT doing this... If everyone did this, the plane would never fill. Also, if you're in a non-aisle seat, this strategy guarantees you're going to make someone get up to let you in.
I love the subtle, prescient hand sanitiser use at 2:03.
The Reaper method maximizes time for cheaper seats at the back and minimizes time for more expensive seats at the front. This increases the time difference and incentive to pay more money to get the seats at the front.
Wait... there are flights that DON'T board randomly???!
Ripuru The man ikr
I have never seen these boarding groups in my life, the few times i have flown i always boarded at random, i was never told to get in a specific place in line, i think its really dumb to do this, making staff to work more than they already do and messing with our time
Where do you live where they board randomly?
@@40watt53 Latvia. I've always wondered why our airlines are always "the most punctual" and now i know why.
Boarding groups only exist in the American region Edit: I made a mistake, I’ve corrected myself in one of my more recent comments, indeed there are boarding groups all around the world.
The fact that animated CGP Grey sanitized his hands after the triple partner parallel is just hurting my brain because this was in 2019
I thought it was edited, I remembered it as a screwdriver fixing his wrist. Not sure though, might be a Mandela effect happening there I am very curious if that is the case because if not, I automatically assumed robo grey would be repairing himself after a high five
bro... I think that's lotion.
@@UltraLegoEnthusiast lotion after a high five?
@@TheZombersLMAO Yes, he apparently really enjoyed the triple. REALLY enjoyed it.
@@lucyfleet1944 You can't edit videos on KZhead you can only trim them and stuff like that
Excellent alliteration, as usual.... and those last 15 seconds were just the cherry on top, as mean-spirited as pionent!
5:13 Can we appreciate seeing a 2 dimensional figure transcend to a 3rd dimension while still being 2 dimensional between 3 planes
2:02 cgp was sanitising his hands before it was cool
Lmao wut
I thought he was lubing them up
Yes... sanitizing
I thought it was idk, like an animation glitch or sth idk
CGP Grey is circumcised confirmed.
As a teen I was returning from visiting family in Palm Springs Ca and there was a load of Marines on leave from 29 Palms also departing. Not sure if they were ordered to do so of if it arose organically in their Marine minds but they organized window, middle, isle from back to front with bags they knew where they would fit and the other 8 or 10 of us mere mortals managed to fit in well enough not to much things up and I swear we loaded the plane in about 90 seconds. Well, I'm not sure exactly how fast but it was fast enough that the captain gave the announcement we were leaving early. "You all did such a great job boarding we were able to bump up our departure time by 10 minutes, so we'll um, be underway I guess... " You could hear the pleasurable bewilderment in his voice... Departing the plane was just as orderly and with that single flight I experienced nirvana. Never before, never again...
Hmmm... so, despite the economic incentive to have 1st class, and all those other perks noted in the video, you struck upon another, bigger economic incentive: leaving sooner! By boarding quickly and easily, the airlines would save some of that fuel the plane must be burning while we are loading. Perhaps? I admit I'm not sure about that one. But the other obvious one: quicker departure times! That 10 minutes, multiplied times hundreds of flights per day has to translate into airline profits somewhere, I would think. And think of the competitive advantage if an airline could boast that boarding is easy. (I'm not advocating for the Marine Method of Boarding per se. Just saying that your example of loading up faster than the norm, for whatever reason, should translate into profit for the airline that fixes this problem). Too bad most of them are too short sighted to see that or they just might try harder to make boarding, and getting off, much less painful and insanely slow. As previously noted, this insanity of everyone loading via ONE door is the driving reason why I, for one, really really long for a robust train system. At least with a train, boarding is way easier! Not to mention the fact that they are nowhere near as affected by weather.
@@caspiansfriend also imagine how effective better boarding would be for smaller international airports like say... Heathrow. 2 runways with set hours for activity and runways being used, at there fastest, once every two minutes. Imagine being able to cut down on the waiting time so as soon as a runway opens you can depart an already full plane rather than having to account for departures having an extra 15 minutes to fill up once they're actually ready to fly.
Perhaps the Marines went to school where cgp grey was the professor.
@@themadpyro8560 there are plenty of planes departing from Heathrow to fill the queue, but they are just waiting for wake turbulence to dissipate.
This can be done with people used to be given orders. But most of passengers will go: "Hell no, I decide what is best for ME"
I'd be willing to partake in the 4 group, every other row method though you have to line up within your group from highest seat value to lowest seat value (ideally). The other method is to load the plane from front exit and rear exit. You can load mid to front and mid to back, while letting your expensive class board group board forward of the economy class' entrance. The (3rd) option is not 100+ boarding groups by like 8. Southwest’s system seems happy, energetic and marketable faster than current practices of front to back / back to front. Sure it isn’t staggeringly fast but this company’s energy is huge difference compared to other airlines.
You did mention the flaw that would defeat any improvement in boarding methods, the human inability or just plain unwillingness to follow directions. When I went to basic training in the military some decades ago, we were 80 guys in one unit for many long weeks. To go from one place to another, we marched. To get into marching formation we formed a height line, tallest in the front to shortest in the back, then filed into marching formation. I can't remember standing behind the same guy twice in a row, ever. Did our relative heights change from one hour to another? I doubt it. We just failed at even the most simple of cooperative tasks.
1:02 Finally, the CGP Grey rap we've been waiting for
Eminem too afraid to diss him
Wait, I know you...
I think I know you...
Wait a minute...
Hey man I love your work!
* shows up late and disrupts perfectly logical and time-efficient boarding process *
*kicked out on ass by security everyone on flight cheers* =P
I already like you
I'd like your comment but it's at 666 likes & I don't want to ruin that moment.
*our seat is 3, went all the way to the back and goes back to front, pushing everyone out
I just usually sit and wait when the last two people are in the boarding que, only then I will join.
In Australia most airlines board from the front and back at the same time. So if your in rows 15 - 25 you will go to the back of the plane and board via some stairs. Means you don't have a situation where someone in seat 19 is waiting for people at the front to put their bags away. Doesn't completely remove the bag issue but it reduces it somewhat.
The other problem with efficient boarding is that the airline cannot blame delays on slow boarding. How many times have you heard this: "We will leave as soon as everyone is seated." followed by, "Well we lost our take-off window and now we have to sit at the gate for a while or taxi around slowly." Because it's impossible to take into account how long it takes to board. Yeah, no-one should believe that. It would be great one day if the passengers could call the flight crew's bluff and everyone immediately sits down unexpectedly quick, so that they have to find a new excuse.
5:37 is so beautiful I want to cry
I don"t understand how it's faster than having the entire line walk to the end, then simultaneously going to a window seat and repeat.
5:20
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boy shut yo sensitive ass up
nevermind i just cried
It’s weird because here in Europe, I have never experienced boarding groups-It’s always been the ‘planes here’ method. In fact, up until a few years ago, EasyJet didn’t even use allocated seats so you could sit wherever you want. The closest thing to boarding groups I have experienced here is when they open the front and back doors of the planes so you are told if you sit in the rear of the plane to use the back door. They don’t force you or organise you but most people do it on their own as it is legitimately more convenient.
America is just plain evil
@@gamermapper says the person whos never even been there
@@geographyhistorygeopolitic3851 you don't need to go there
@@sidjiiimenudo842 To get a better taste of what a country is really like, yes you do.
you don't need to go into a building to know it's on fire, you can see the smoke from miles away.
in australia we don’t have these weird “boarding groups” we just have priority/people who need assistance, and then everyone else boards from the front or the back depending on where you sit. (ie: rows 1-15 board from the front bridge, and 16-30 from the back stairs)
I haven't flown in more than 10 years so this video was really helpful and inspiring.
That’s why when I land in a plane, I just sit there for like 7 minutes so that it’s not too stressful waiting for everyone else in front of my to get off the plane
Same with traffic. If you can Stop somewhere and wait it out. Otherwise just Don’t get into traffic
same, except it’s usually because i typically fly as an unaccompanied minor which means 1. i sit in the very back row, every. single. time. and 2. there needs to be a flight attendant to walk me off the plane which they can’t do until everyone eLsE is off 🙄
That's what I do too, why wait standing up and holding your bag when you can just sit there
Same 😅
@@analysearmstrong flying as a UM is hands down the worst way to fly lol Everyone just staring at you being walked by flight attendants all over the place
That damn hand sanitizing at 2:03 was golden.
plus the first class martini hahah
to make a method induce MORE misery, load front to back, but also aisle-middle-window, maximizing seat shuffling. also, you can make your airline, instead of charging extra for bigger bags, you get put on a different plane, with other people who have bigger bags.
The window - middle - aisle doesn’t take into account that aisle passengers likely don’t have overhead space and have to go up and down the aisles to put their overhead luggage, which slows down the boarding considerably. This also slow down the disembarking as people in the front have to trek back to get their luggage from overhead bins because they are no longer directly above them. Back to front does not have this same issue, and thus I believe your theory here is flawed from a practical standpoint.
2:02 - Grey cleaning his metal claws with hand sanitiser before it was cool.
Underrated comment
I’ve never washed my hands until people told me to. I was referring to the main comment. What do you mean by “before it was cool” ? You never wash your hands before the pandemic? 🤮
@@Void_Wars uhhhh....
@@Void_Wars hmmm
@@Void_Wars ew
You could position all the chairs in the waiting room in the exact order as the plane is. Every chair has the same number as in the plane. So basically let people organize themselves first before boarding while the plane is being cleaned.
Thought the same
Then you will need the exact number of seats in the waiting room, usually that isnt the case
@@EmeliaSings put more seats than in the plane in the waiting room OR mark standing spots in front of the gate. The issue is that people wouldn't follow the rules regardless.
People arent that smart though.
@@EmeliaSings just make a line on the entrence with numbers, and all ticket got numbers with A-C and the people just have to look at the line look for their number and stand there in order from A-C
the only problem with cgp greys solution is that if there is a family, im fairly sure a five year old wants to board with their family.
Actually I remembered this video when I started working as a 'transport worker' ( Basically ramp agent but lesser ) at the airport. We don't have air bridges but rather have people walk from the gate to the plane and vice versa ( If it rains or if it's too far away, the bus is used ) - so it's interesting to notice that in fact we use both plane doors making everything rather quick. Our ground stuardesses and stuards also direct people to their door which maximises the efficiency of boarding - The planes comes and goes within 30 minutes usually. And no, it's not just small planes like the A319 or the Dash-8 ( Which is tiny and has 1 door anyway... ) but the same would usually go for the rare but huge Condor 757. Either way, just wanted to share this little tidbit since you didn't mention it in your video!
in germany i did that once or twice,was nice because of the fact is was almost half empty. now i know the cacophony that is full buses
The problem with the window-middle-aisle thing is that families often sit together, and I don’t think a baby would be able to go on its own
That's what I was thinking. Imagine a plane calling for your 3 year old to board by themself and then making you wait another however-many-minutes while your child is unsupervised and alone and definitely clueless about what to do. Or the other way around, having to leave your child in the waiting area for who knows how long.
I think he roughly mentioned this, not the baby specifically but that's why he made the modified method.
Ive traveled with my family a lot! Most airlines will let you go in with your family. If you have one family member in the window area, then the whole family will go at once since they are probably going to be sitting in the same area :) There is usually also prioritization for those that are pregnant, with young infants or elderly.
And this is why families board first, alongside those with special needs and unaccompanied minors. No kids will be left to board alone with whatever method the airline uses.
abolish babies
Just do the Southwest... "Sit where you want i don't care"
Well, seat shuffles ruin it.
i was thinking exactly united. i am also personally guilty of the seat shuffle, i love looking out the window
Southwest also has the precise ordering of passengers that Grey says would never happen. It works just fine. I fly Southwest about once a month for work and I’ve never seen a problem.
Southwest is the Greyhound of the skies after all...
I took Southwest when travelling to New York recently. They still separated people into boarding groups, but didn't really care where we all sat.
The Steffen perfect ways is already used by Azul Airlines in some airports
Never seen one of your videos before. This was awesome. Glad to be a new subscriber. GREAT STUFF!
I love the amount of alliteration auspiciously arranged throughout this video
I think when it's vowels it's called assonance.
@@PiggyXMalone when it's at the start of the word it's always alliteration. Assonance and consonance are in the middle/end of the word
@@nikolaciric6980 thank you
@@nikolaciric6980 scholar 💯
@@nikolaciric6980 not at all 😂 : Assonance = vowel sounds at the start Alliteration = consonant sounds at the start Consonance = consonant sounds at the end In poetry, consonance or consonantal alliteration is opposed to assonance!
The problem with steffen “perfect” is that the time you save with the actual boarding you lose trying to get everyone in line
Except you could do the line arranging before they plane is ready. Though, as he points out, that's the least of its logistical problems.
@@Beep-town yeah, no other reasons
@@LL-fw7hi Or you can have a straight row of seats from the waiting area to the plane and have everyone line up and sit down as soon as the plane gets there. Anyone tired of waiting can just sit down. Anyone who doesn't want to stand inside the plane for 7 minutes waiting to sit can just sit outside the plane and choose to be one of the last to board. You should get a discount if you don't bring anything that has to go overhead and you should pay extra (just $1 per bag) if you do. Stewards shouldn't have to argue with passengers over anything. They should have body cameras and after the flight they can submit a video of a rude passenger who had 3 pieces of carry-on and 2 purses and a backpack and a laptop bag and a briefcase and 3 plastic grocery bags and a baby bag (but not baby) to their supervisor and they can charge that passenger's credit card and extra $30 for decreasing the quality of the flight for their other customers and employees.
Another problem with Steffen “perfect” is that there is a faster method. 6 x full columns of seats from back to front. That means significantly less pull always than is depicted in this video, therefore it’d be faster than “steffen perfect”.
That's why it would have to be in a perfect world
My favourite seat on an airplane is right at the back in the aisle. I love being the last person on the plane. I don’t Jane to wait to long for the plane to take off and everyone is already sat. I never have a bag for the over head locker so my bag fits under the chair. If my legs ache I can get up easily and walk the door look out the window for a while and chat to cabin crew plus I’m near the toilets. I’m the last to get off so I just sit and wait reading my book while everyone grabs their bags from the over head lockers. Everyone is now rushing to get their suitcases get through customs etc. when I get to customs there is no cue I arrive at the baggage carousel and the cases come out. I’m not stressed, just that few minutes of being behind the crowds to me makes so much difference
*After group A which is the disabled and people with young children. I love how SouthWest airline DO HAVE RANDOM seating, though 💛❤💙. But, as much as we wanna get going, no matter how fast we board, Pilots have to do a pretty lengthy checklist before taking off. Every flight...Especially if the pilots change. With each new Pilot switch, a pilot does a visual inspection of the plane.