Europe's Population Crisis Is About To Explode, Demographics Collapse is Here. End of EU?

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  • It might sound harsh, but it's true: if you don't protect what belongs to you, it won't be long before it belongs to somebody else.

    @benjauron5873@benjauron58733 ай бұрын
    • Leave an empire you want to inherit.

      @bluebadger2727@bluebadger27273 ай бұрын
    • Well said

      @IamdeaththedestroyerofWorlds@IamdeaththedestroyerofWorlds3 ай бұрын
    • That moment when you hear yelling in German and it's from their far right group 😳👀

      @XavierGulleyhoorah@XavierGulleyhoorah3 ай бұрын
    • No matter which country you live in talk is talk action is action nothing is changing anytime soon lol its adorable how people think protesting is gonna do anything to change situations like these look at Texas in america how's those protests about the border going? I will repeat talk is talk action is action I've gone numb to all this and ignore videos like these I get 1 minute into the video realizing yeah no this is a reminder that all the people in power no matter where you live don't listen, I got bills to pay protesting is a waste of the universal currency which is time, wake me up when their is actually a revolution because otherwise no one is changing how they run their crap, glad I don't have kids nor do I plan to have them, I don't need to worry about them being flatlined by a rando with a knife because open borders means america's free real estate.

      @Lan01897@Lan018973 ай бұрын
    • @@Lan01897 I agree with what you said but I think we should also remember that some of the worst people in recent human history started out as either a public speaker or secretary

      @XavierGulleyhoorah@XavierGulleyhoorah3 ай бұрын
  • You can’t keep taking immigrants from countries that don’t want to work to improve itself. I am for a Denmark’s approach: you come to the country, you have to pay with everything you have in your pockets. And you also get a debt to repay for 5 years or you get sent back.

    @danhair@danhair3 ай бұрын
    • Most of Europe were built up from dreaming from 3rd world countries and colonizing. Sounds fair to me.

      @dmmarrero1@dmmarrero13 ай бұрын
    • Indentured servitude making a come back?

      @fauxman1@fauxman13 ай бұрын
    • ​@@fauxman1 Well, some form of servitude for getting such a gift

      @velvet373@velvet3733 ай бұрын
    • ​@@fauxman1nah that's just temporary slavery , and it becomes permanent if you can't find good work I'm cool with people having to work to earn their keep but this is just slavery light

      @marshalsunrise6582@marshalsunrise65823 ай бұрын
    • Countries that "don´t improve themselves" because you keep promoting and financing wars in those countries. Why don´t you stop supporting Israel and wars against arabs and Palestinians? What do you think is gonna happen when a war breaks out? Immigration.

      @specialiseesi6746@specialiseesi67463 ай бұрын
  • I’m a legal immigrant in USA, but even I think that there’s a limit and western countries have to realize that they are losing control of their country, many other immigrants like me also agree.

    @greatness_arives925@greatness_arives9253 ай бұрын
    • If they don't bring useful skills, there definitely will be problems.

      @RobShuttleworth@RobShuttleworth3 ай бұрын
    • Pulling the ladder from under you.

      @charmyzard@charmyzard3 ай бұрын
    • @@charmyzard nah bro i'm a migrant too. i's not in my interest to have the country i moved into collapse.

      @SoulTouchMusic93@SoulTouchMusic933 ай бұрын
    • I appreciate the irony of this post.

      @greenflame8398@greenflame83983 ай бұрын
    • Immigrants made USA. And many economies depend on immigrant workers.. Switzerland Ireland Netherlands... They wouldbe nothing without immigrants working there

      @kenfryer2090@kenfryer20903 ай бұрын
  • The issue is that uncontrolled migration is called immigration. The wage suppression and increased cost of housing have caused birth rates to plummet.

    @jeffreyoneill4082@jeffreyoneill40823 ай бұрын
    • Nicely put! "Wage suppression, and cost of housing" are the key factors to low birth rates. EU (and around) countries must address these issues ASAP; it would be too late in the next years.

      @drrayman1435@drrayman143513 сағат бұрын
    • Smh feminist culture has nothing to do with low birth rates?

      @sewur5034@sewur503410 сағат бұрын
  • "If we give them more money they might stop doing crime" Sorry but i'll not pay a monthly protection fee for foreigners to not commit crime.

    @oliverstianhugaas7493@oliverstianhugaas74933 ай бұрын
    • That's not how that works. If you don't give people enough opportunities to gain a decent level of education and attain a decent life through honest work, they will turn to crime. Native Europeans are not that different themselves, the only difference is they had some time to establish generational wealth.

      @e1123581321345589144@e11235813213455891443 ай бұрын
    • ​@@e1123581321345589144thats objectively untrue. Giving people jobs that people can actually live on is what actually matters. When you bring in tons of immigrants and especially illegal ones. The amount of available jobs can't keep up. This leads to large unemployment rate. Which you either have a large amount of crime as a response to mke ends meet or you have the government somehow support the peop,e which takes the debt and that explodes which hurts the economy severely in the medium to long term. Ultimately economies can only develop so quickly and they also don't have an infinitely large ability to scale up. So simply injecting a million refugees and not having jobs available is harmful. Also if there aren't enough jobs available then wages drop making it difficult for citizens originally there to survive. This creates spite and hate as one doesn't want to sacrifice their life for unknown people. If people had to rely on generational wealth to survive then the econo y would have died a long time ago.

      @eclipsos8187@eclipsos81873 ай бұрын
    • Really? Back when most Europeans were poor, what was the crime rate like?

      @duaneaikins4621@duaneaikins46213 ай бұрын
    • me neither i know 2 much about extortion...

      @feanorgu@feanorgu3 ай бұрын
    • Oliver, would you pay for citizens to be housed?

      @thinktwofold@thinktwofold3 ай бұрын
  • Finally someone dares say the truth.

    @TheBlackIdentety@TheBlackIdentety3 ай бұрын
    • The truth is Asylum law needs to be reformed. High rate of asylum seekers just need financial opportunities, not protection. European countries will probably lose their freedom and democracy if they don't vote massively for 'far-right' parties that act against mass migration, esp from Islamic nations. Sorry but I'd rather be an 'Islamophobe' than lose my country. I'm sure they'd do the same in Islamic countries with refugees from the West

      @DennyHamilton5@DennyHamilton53 ай бұрын
    • ​@@DennyHamilton5Not really cause in islamic countries there is no democratic system so even if immigrants are in a majority they still wouldn't feel threatened as such. Plus I watched a documentary on uk immigration and low level jobs like farming are not being done by UK's citizens so when immigrants come and do it for cheap, some see it as invading/taking over their country but they don't even have an high standard of living so the only real pressure migrants put on western countries are food, water resources that's about it. Not to mention if the US didn't invade alot of the countries or arrange coups and make their home country physically inhabitable there wouldn't be mass migration.

      @attiawaqar6439@attiawaqar64393 ай бұрын
    • ​@@DennyHamilton5they hide behind (asylum) it is disgusting to allow this in any country

      @raymondluna3187@raymondluna31873 ай бұрын
    • ​@@attiawaqar6439 far leftists push the same lies in the U.S. now we have slavery in the U.S. once again. But apparently its okay to have slaves as long as we dont give them citizenship! People would take the farming jobs, and have for thousands of years. Farmers just want to pay slaves instead if they get the chance.

      @Under-Kaoz@Under-KaozАй бұрын
    • ​@@attiawaqar6439 Dont play innocent, many european nations are involved in constant wars too. Like the U.K. and france. IF european nations didnt take advantage of poor asians and africans for thousands of years their regions would be much better off and wouldnt need to migrate.

      @Under-Kaoz@Under-KaozАй бұрын
  • Overdoing anything without adequate planning will always result in a bad outcome. That's not just limited to immigration. Humanitarian initiatives are admirable, but you can't be reckless about it, which is exactly what happened.

    @nyyfandan@nyyfandan3 ай бұрын
    • Overdoing without planning? The immigration crisis is planned and funded very well.

      @gargisamara@gargisamara3 ай бұрын
    • Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians.

      @MephiticMiasma@MephiticMiasma3 ай бұрын
    • like stop oil withou establishing stable alternative source? yeah, who saw that comming😢

      @theoteddy9665@theoteddy96653 ай бұрын
    • Deliberately planned to divide, rule and control.

      @stephenwong4934@stephenwong49343 ай бұрын
    • @@theoteddy9665 Right. If you're against fossil fuels but also against nuclear you just want depopulation.

      @ryanschwan2507@ryanschwan25073 ай бұрын
  • Nobody ever tries to figure out "WHY ARE BIRTHRATES DECLINING?" Perhaps if your government is incompetent, your economy is failing and your future looks bleak then you don't really feel that you should be bringing children into that environment. Adding things to that environment like people who don't share your culture or values, who commit crimes frequently and who adamantly refuse to adapt to your country's way of life, but instead believe that the whole word should adopt their system... well, those things couldn't possibly be discouraging young would-be parents, could they?

    @danspencer4235@danspencer42353 ай бұрын
    • If people wanted to defend their countries from those ''evil immigrants'' they would make more children instead of complaining here and there. Also wealth has barely any effect on birth rate. people in poor countries make children like rabbits and rich people reproduce less. In fact we should cut social free handouts and pensions entirely to make people dependent on the income of their children, like they are in third world countries. it would boost the birth rate fast.

      @gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou2033 ай бұрын
    • @@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 Insecurity reduces birthrate. Ignorance and temporary food supplies increase birthrates. Don't worry about solutions. It's all going to fix itself with the gradual collapse of civilization.

      @danspencer4235@danspencer42353 ай бұрын
    • I would think what you are describing is more selfish materialistic culture. People have children and live without cappuccinos and do just fine. I think our Western culture is too focused on "I need to have fun," more than raising a child which is far more fulfilling.

      @Vandelberger@Vandelberger3 ай бұрын
    • @@Vandelberger Yes, China's falling birthrate must be due to their wealthy mentality and too many Starbucks.

      @danspencer4235@danspencer42353 ай бұрын
    • 100%. Look at the U.S., home prices doubled, salaries are stagnant, layoffs are happening, we are in a recession and being gaslit that we are in an “economic boom”, unlimited illegal migration etc. It’s no wonder our birthrate is crashing when millennials have to pay 400k for a home a boomer bought for 130k 25 years ago 🤦‍♂️. It’s no wonder that in this era of corporate instability people aren’t having families. Yet the only solution our politicians have created is to claim that “men are birthing people too” 💀

      @LucasFernandez-fk8se@LucasFernandez-fk8se3 ай бұрын
  • Now who didn't see this coming?

    @BK12355@BK123553 ай бұрын
    • I saw it coming when British and French ships were off of every coast

      @mr.takethingstooseriously@mr.takethingstooseriously3 ай бұрын
    • Gadaffe warned Europe would be swamped with refugees if Libya was bought down.

      @richardpeychers4076@richardpeychers40763 ай бұрын
    • Just about everybody except for us, or else it wouldn't have led to this.

      @Christmas-dg5xc@Christmas-dg5xc3 ай бұрын
  • Another major problem is that this massive immigration exarerbates an already terrible housing crisis. Autochtone people experience in The Netherlands that their children can't find a house and no new houses are built. Rents soar and waiting lists are extreme, I myself had to wait NINETEEN YEARS!!! And then immigrants who don't care about Dutch culture get houses just like that plus money to pay for rent and furniture and living expenses. We have put up with it for 12 years but people get fed up when they themselves or their children can't find a house to make home for themselves or their children, or, like me, can't pay the rent anymore. This has made birthrates plummet. No wonder the anti-immigration party took over at the latest elections. Really, Dutch hate the established politicians who caused all this.

    @charlesvanderhoog7056@charlesvanderhoog70563 ай бұрын
    • Why are the UN and the EUROPEAN UNION PUSHING THIS IN THE US?

      @CT-uv8os@CT-uv8os3 ай бұрын
    • Are they doing this as revenge for the Houlocauste? That's some long term revenge man.

      @ryanschwan2507@ryanschwan25073 ай бұрын
    • I've been studying this topic for a week straight, as if it were my day job... Yours is one of the most tragic comments I've seen. Best wishes from the US (and sincerely, the housing market is mega crap here as well- 32, still living with my parents lol).

      @RagTag-N-Bobtail@RagTag-N-Bobtail2 ай бұрын
    • @@RagTag-N-Bobtail There's another reason for the housing crisis: real estate owners like financial institutions, use real estate to make truckloads of money. This is only possible if the prices keep going up. Governments are so criminal that they just finance the disasters caused by their incompetence and callousness, with more loans in the form of bonds. They never pay it back and finance them by rolling the debtr over. Paying bonds with new bonds. These bonds are bought by the financial institutions. So governments need to keep those institutions happy. They do that by making it difficult or impossible to build sufficient houses. As the populations grow, soaring house prices are guaranteed. In my life, house prices came down only once, in 1983.

      @charlesvanderhoog7056@charlesvanderhoog70562 ай бұрын
    • I feel your pain I'm in the uk and see very similar problems. People here illegally are getting houses whike i might not own on until 50 and I'm in my 20s.

      @toxiczombiewolf5692@toxiczombiewolf569221 күн бұрын
  • Europe's population like that in many "developed" nations is in decline because Europe is already overpopulated. If the borders were shut and the population allowed to fall it would naturally correct and approach a sustainable level. The high cost of living reflects this, and will only get worse if the population is allowed to increase due to more immigration. Europe can easily afford to support an aging population provided the standard of living they expect is only slightly above basic existence, rather than enjoying luxury, high consumption, foreign travel, expensive healthcare etc. China has an aging population but doesn't import large numbers of immigrants because it doesn't promise it's elderly a high standard of living. Shrinking populations have happened through history, and they recover in their own time. Some immigration can benefit an economy, but Europe is far past that point now. They should have implemented temporary worker schemes long ago, whereby foreign workers bring no dependents, do not become citizens and must return to their own country once their work is over. Allowing immigrants to stay or being their families increases demand but not supply which overall lowers the standard of living.

    @R.-.@R.-.3 ай бұрын
    • Your elite don't want to pay the economic penalty for such ideas. They want to continue being at the top of the world. The nostalgia of the past is also a huge part of the problem...

      @jameskamotho7513@jameskamotho75133 ай бұрын
    • Problem is, all studies and science on the subject says the opposite of what you say. Especially, immigrants bring much more to the economy than they takes. New people = more comsumption = more business and more jobs. It´s a very simple math that you don´t know. Let´s check the data: in Portugal, Brazilian immigrants pay €350 million into public service that they DO NOT use. Not only the cost is zero, countries profit a lot with immigration.

      @specialiseesi6746@specialiseesi67463 ай бұрын
    • Countries made of immigrants are the most dynamic. The US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Dubai, Singapore…etc

      @majedtaleb3944@majedtaleb39443 ай бұрын
    • @@specialiseesi6746 You're confusing sustainable immigration to the current unsustainable models going on right now. Pointing at data while not understanding it doesn't make you intelligent.

      @Deargodwhat@Deargodwhat3 ай бұрын
    • ah.. no it wouldn't .. The rest in general is in demographic demographic Gen X is smaller then the baby boomers, millennials are smaller then Gen X, and Gen Z is smaller milennials. it's an upside down pyramid or trending that way.. Currently the demographic that was acting as the source of capital was the baby boomers... there not any longer all there investment have shifted. GenX and Millennials can't take up the slack for this. And GenZ isn't able to act as a consumer base. The whole system ran under the assumption that we would pyramid like demographic.. or more ideally a vertical column. The reason why nations like Canada and the like have been actively pushing immigration is to delay this as long as possible.

      @matthewcampbell7286@matthewcampbell72863 ай бұрын
  • It's too late for many countries, say thanks to your government

    @Neokusp@Neokusp3 ай бұрын
    • It’s too late to vote it away, but it’s not too late to find other avenues…

      @cosmo9925@cosmo99253 ай бұрын
    • Not the fault of the government stupid

      @Jerre989@Jerre98919 күн бұрын
    • Easy to blame the government you chose but it's actually the incompetence of the populace that's to blame.

      @edheldude@edheldude16 күн бұрын
    • Hardly too late. EU will be fine.

      @DiogoJ1@DiogoJ114 күн бұрын
    • ​@@DiogoJ1 no, eu has already lost it

      @wejksunday6691@wejksunday669111 күн бұрын
  • The issue about integration is not just having low opportunities, it's more about them not wanting to integrate with the culture of the country they're in. Look at the UK where churches can found burned down, and then turned into mosques. The Notre Dame almost got turned into mosque by having minerats if it weren't for the international and French outrage.

    @Johnlanzer@Johnlanzer3 ай бұрын
    • Impossible for some to integrate because of their nature. Nature is a mighty force to fight.

      @RobShuttleworth@RobShuttleworth3 ай бұрын
    • @@RobShuttleworth It doesn't help that majority of the illegal migrants, going on boats, are majority composed of fighting age men and had no interest in the local culture, nor respect the nation's law or people. Even those who came with families have few interest to integrate, only what they can receive from the government.

      @Johnlanzer@Johnlanzer3 ай бұрын
    • Nature is another way to say "god"

      @simonegiannotti7066@simonegiannotti70663 ай бұрын
    • @@Johnlanzer Most seem to be unskilled, simple people. Hopefully the govt. will give them suitable jobs, which the all-seeing govt. has projected to be available soon.

      @RobShuttleworth@RobShuttleworth3 ай бұрын
    • They are indeed being silently invaded

      @southerncross86@southerncross863 ай бұрын
  • "Europe has directed its efforts towards embracing individuals with no qualifications, including those with differing views on LGBTQ rights and women's rights from a particular religious standpoint. This contrasts with the innovation-centric approaches seen in the USA and China, leading me to believe it signals a turning point for Europe."

    @MarktYertd@MarktYertd3 ай бұрын
    • true

      @FernandoPerez3h.@FernandoPerez3h.3 ай бұрын
    • Let's not forget Feminism caused the population collapse in the West

      @WannabeShady90@WannabeShady903 ай бұрын
    • And I, as a Reductionist Atheist Antinatalist Animal Rights Vegan and alien-believer, question muslim, christian, jewish rights from MY particular standpoint of Reductionism, logic, science.

      @theultimatereductionist7592@theultimatereductionist759222 күн бұрын
    • And I, as a Reductionist Atheist Antinatalist Animal Rights Vegan and alien-believer, question muslim, christian, jewish rights from MY particular standpoint of Reductionism, logic, science.

      @theultimatereductionist7592@theultimatereductionist759222 күн бұрын
  • From roughly the early 1800s, people were encouraged to fit in rather than stand out. Groups of people choose to go to a new country and become part of that nation. Currently people are encouraged to retain their previous identity. This changes the country they come to as it is no longer full of people from that country (say Americans) with that set of morals and values, it is a patchwork that has varying loyalties that no longer reflects a unified nation that originally had created the benefits people there currently enjoy. To point this out is considered racist, but it's a simple cultural influence situation, western culture isn't just colonialism and we don't deserve to be erased either, all cultures have values, but accept the reality of the current situation, or find a situation you want.

    @justinmaitland7335@justinmaitland73353 ай бұрын
    • Yea my parents are immigrants here in Canada, but for the life of me dude i just cant understand folks that resist assimilation. You immigrate to a country, and then demand it changes to suit you??? You got people moving to Germany, and demanding it become like Iraq or Syria. Before immigrants used to mostly be people who wanted to be a PART of the country they moved to. Now its just economic migrants that see countries as just corporations with no identity.

      @honkhonk8009@honkhonk80093 ай бұрын
    • The modern ruling class don’t give af what you think. They seek exploitation of the public in the form of cheap labor

      @FazeParticles@FazeParticles3 ай бұрын
  • If a European can't walk safely through the streets of a particular country then they should accept few, if any migrants from that country because nothing miraculous happens when borders are crossed. A people who don't like or respect Europeans in their homeland are not suddenly going to start doing that when they are moved to a new location.

    @eeverett2@eeverett23 ай бұрын
  • Despite this guy having a personal stake in this his views are remarkably well balanced. Thanks for the unbiased update.

    @commanderrico8892@commanderrico88923 ай бұрын
    • Agreed

      @silentsnipe260@silentsnipe2603 ай бұрын
  • Why are they 99% Men ?

    @turbyoulance@turbyoulance3 ай бұрын
    • They tend to survive better than women and children on the trek.

      @frankvuong1080@frankvuong10803 ай бұрын
    • because who would you send into an unknown country? a man or a woman with child? men can work

      @Gigachad-mc5qz@Gigachad-mc5qz3 ай бұрын
    • Generally, there's laws that allow families to follow when one family member has gotten a permit. Since most of these refugees come from traditional countries. Men go first to secure a green card. The family follows afterwards.

      @xander9460@xander94603 ай бұрын
    • @@xander9460right to family life it’s called in the EU.

      @T1tusCr0w@T1tusCr0w3 ай бұрын
    • @@xander9460because they are willing to work

      @groverkennedy2049@groverkennedy20493 ай бұрын
  • The EU has lost its culture

    @Kaylor_Ryan@Kaylor_Ryan3 ай бұрын
    • no it hasnt? where do you live

      @Gigachad-mc5qz@Gigachad-mc5qz3 ай бұрын
    • Thats is what They want!!

      @vrsimulo1234@vrsimulo12342 ай бұрын
    • @@Gigachad-mc5qzyes it has.

      @jacklaurentius6130@jacklaurentius61302 ай бұрын
    • EU has get "theirs culture" from slavs,who were etruscans and illyrians.

      @Jasmin.M-hz5ty@Jasmin.M-hz5ty24 күн бұрын
    • Islam

      @ChrisCanomi@ChrisCanomi21 күн бұрын
  • Pewdiepie saw the writings on the wall and moved to japan. 😂😂😂

    @jamalisujang2712@jamalisujang27123 ай бұрын
    • I love Japan, but Japan has basically the same problem only far worse...

      @WannabeShady90@WannabeShady903 ай бұрын
    • @@user-sm5qt1sn7snot true. Japan has opened up their borders compared to years past. It’s not fully open but it’s much more loose now.

      @FazeParticles@FazeParticles3 ай бұрын
    • ​@@WannabeShady90 If you want see what's worse. Go to the Texan border lmao

      @bmona7550@bmona75503 ай бұрын
    • @@user-sm5qt1sn7s Also Filipino are not a warring nation, they wouldn't start a war from inside against Japan.

      @Slav4o911@Slav4o9113 ай бұрын
  • Help us because we cant help ourselves, and no, we are not going to integrate with your countries values and customs because our values and customs worked out so well in the country we are fleeing from. -Every illegal immigrant

    @ericwalker8382@ericwalker83823 ай бұрын
  • Its crazy how much society has split ideogically in just 10years. immigration is such a big and complicated topic, I commend anyone who speaks up and states facts on this issue. Most of the public media is swayed ideologically to the left or right and doesn't report statistics that don't align with their beliefs. Thank you for speaking up

    @Sipotex@Sipotex3 ай бұрын
    • there are lots of causes and effects stated in this video without any support. like bad economy leading to terror and violence (not supported by evidence), that immigration helps the economy (not supported by recent evidence), that immigrants will be able to fill the jobs that an advanced economy required (not supported by evidence). All of those are ideological truths of the left that are highly likely false.

      @heltengundersen@heltengundersen2 ай бұрын
  • As far as the UK is concerned, if we had a government with a backbone, we could secure our borders as were an island. But alas, our politicians are weak and cowardly.

    @welshed@welshed3 ай бұрын
    • The people have to do it. Are the people weak and cowardly?

      @PippiLongstockings-ps8jd@PippiLongstockings-ps8jd3 ай бұрын
    • No, they are corrupt, they benefit personally from that migration.

      @Slav4o911@Slav4o9113 ай бұрын
    • @@PippiLongstockings-ps8jdthe people are brainwashed

      @wft15@wft1529 күн бұрын
  • Know islam, no peace... No islam, know peace

    @ericjohnston7663@ericjohnston76633 ай бұрын
    • As a moslem by law I agree that islamic doctrine is insane

      @nabihbawazir8019@nabihbawazir80193 ай бұрын
    • Who invaded Iraq, Libya and destabilized the Middle East?. Gaddafi warned Europe that if his country is compromised, then waves upon waves of immigrants will flood EUROPE. And what did NATO do?. And if you interfere in M-E, be prepared for its consequences.

      @matheenarif8645@matheenarif8645Ай бұрын
    • as an ex muslim sadly this is true. i wish the west could help ex muslim immigrants establish safe countries for us. We arent a large population but if we could get one country of our own, it would help us sell western values as it begins to succeed. or i could just be too optimistic. I know how I grew up too well and they will probably destroy us

      @moftheinternets606@moftheinternets606Ай бұрын
    • So true.

      @Jasmin.M-hz5ty@Jasmin.M-hz5ty24 күн бұрын
  • More people coming into Europe is not the problem perse. But the difference in culture between the groups entering is. You get a very divided population. Where everyone wants something else. And that leads to conflicts. People don't feel happy anymore. I think that is also causing population decline. This is a problem that is very difficult to solve, but it is the root of the problem.

    @Michael-ri8sg@Michael-ri8sg3 ай бұрын
    • Too many immigration in short amount of time is also a problem since the country will not have time to adapt. This is like instead of adding little spices and taste your food for best result, instead you put in cups and cups of sugar, salt, pepper and other spices and you wonder why it taste so bad.

      @johnwong5317@johnwong53173 ай бұрын
  • The EU needs to do something to tackle this housing problem now!

    @Balinux756@Balinux7563 ай бұрын
    • They don’t that’s the whole point!!!

      @denmark2680@denmark2680Ай бұрын
    • What do you propose eu (Belgium Netherlands Germany ...) is already overbuild. Building extra housing is not a healthy solution.

      @octopuz9999@octopuz9999Күн бұрын
  • I can't speak for other countries, but in the case of the Netherlands the election results had little to do with PVV's immigration policy, but more reflected the residual anger and mistrust towards the parties that allowed years of lockdowns.

    @climaximiliaan@climaximiliaan3 ай бұрын
    • not just lockdowns, the EU policies that make it harder and harder to earn a living and cause a huge influx in inflation

      @tramlink8544@tramlink85443 ай бұрын
  • This is what you get when you focus on filling the pockets of billionaires instead of spreading the wealth to the working middle class. We get an environment that is not economically viable to raise a child.

    @Bass_no_Treble@Bass_no_Treble3 ай бұрын
    • When the western world was poorer we had much higher reproduction rates. Ironically the expansion of the middle class resulted in less children being born. Previous generations made things work with what they had, my grandfather grew up in the great depression, my mother grew up in the jungles of New Guinea. Nobody has children because it's easy, but because there is a biological imperative and because you don't have to bear anything on your own when you have family. Unfortunately there has been a decline in traditional family structures in the west.

      @alastairi6942@alastairi69423 ай бұрын
    • @@alastairi6942 This is factually false. Multiple studies have been made, citing that economic factors have been the leading cause of the reduction of reproduction in the current global population. So the nonsense you are spewing is taking data and displaying it out of context. You forget to mention the development of medicine leading to lower childbirth mortality rates. During that time period was also the industrial revolution, this is where a lot of wealth has been generated. A janitor with 5 children could buy a house and send each kid to college. Now, with inflation, tell me the chances of two and let alone one child, from a regular family, go to college without going into debt?

      @Bass_no_Treble@Bass_no_Treble3 ай бұрын
    • @@alastairi6942all poor countries have high fertility. But western nations had very high fertility for first world nations post ww2 when the middle classes had ample excess incomes. When you can buy a 4 bed home you’re going to be able to have 3 children, when women can afford to be housewives they’re going to have more children, when cars aren’t 100% of an annual income people are going to buy more cars. Look at 2024 america. 50k cars, 450k homes, 60k incomes 🤦‍♂️. The math isn’t mathing. Either new cars need to be 20k and homes 150k again or incomes need to be 250k. Idc which at this point but something needs to give

      @LucasFernandez-fk8se@LucasFernandez-fk8se3 ай бұрын
    • percentage wise though the pre ww2 generations and post ww2 up until the 1980s had a vastly larger amount of their income as spendable. In Switzerland for 500 years the taxes were ''ein zentel'' (one tennth) basically one tenth of your yearly earning or of the crops you grew went to the state. in the last 100 yeas this shot up to 40% of your yealy income. thats 30% less income you could use to raise a family @@alastairi6942

      @tramlink8544@tramlink85443 ай бұрын
  • They have to go back.

    @50shadesofgday64@50shadesofgday643 ай бұрын
  • Successful entrpreneur? She inherited billions from her father who was at one time Australia's richest person.

    @user-zv8ph5du5t@user-zv8ph5du5t3 ай бұрын
  • You get a pissed off german guy behind a microphone and everybody better watch out

    @harryPair@harryPair3 ай бұрын
    • lmao

      @modernphilosopher1268@modernphilosopher12683 ай бұрын
    • How good is his art?

      @KugelBlitz0@KugelBlitz03 ай бұрын
    • @@KugelBlitz0unfortunately, it’s pretty good. Accepted into various art schools.

      @jacklaurentius6130@jacklaurentius61302 ай бұрын
  • Who would want to bring a child into this messed up world.

    @chris5942@chris59423 ай бұрын
  • Thank you for explaining this. It is so confusing.

    @tommybutler2454@tommybutler24543 ай бұрын
  • It's not "utsatta", the proper translation to English is "no-go zones".

    @MrErrolError@MrErrolError3 ай бұрын
  • It's crazy to say that Europeans have a low fertility rate when it comes of making kids, when in reality we think about the conaequences of having kids in the current economy. There are social factors that are responsible for this. The thing is, the immigrants don't think about these consequesnces and maybe they don't have the sexual education we have (I'm talking about unprotected sex & its risks) and that's why they have "the fertility" rate so high. I am able to make kids, but I don't want them if I can't provide them a good standard of living and proper education, that's the difference between the residents and immigrants.

    @MrMonstercoyote@MrMonstercoyote2 ай бұрын
  • I'm saying this as an Immigrant (Ukraine to UK when I was 7) - This is what gynocentric policies based on feelings instead of cold logic gets you. I think it's already too late to be honest.

    @who_is_dis@who_is_dis3 ай бұрын
  • It seems like a gigantic setup. We'll see... Mostly great take on both sides of the issue. Nice job.

    @marshallfischer3667@marshallfischer36673 ай бұрын
  • Europe is rapidly dying out. Mass deaths and infertility. So sad. And we all know the reason.

    @user-ti3wk6zs1r@user-ti3wk6zs1r3 ай бұрын
    • What do you think the reason is?

      @LennyCash777@LennyCash7775 күн бұрын
  • The rest of the world's populations are also facing collapse

    @Stuffandstuff974@Stuffandstuff9743 ай бұрын
  • They even show people who are out of politics since 5 years

    @theluckyegg3613@theluckyegg36133 ай бұрын
  • We I was Young my father was the wage winner and could pay for house and a new car and take us on holiday every year, this is all gone now.....we have high rents, high costs and can forget about owning a house of your own! so we don't want to bring children into this! why would we....make it affordable to have children and make big family's or collapse into the abyss!

    @ecd14u@ecd14u3 ай бұрын
  • Ayyy yo I haven’t gotten a single notification for months and I had it to be alerted of any videos. It got turned off 🤣

    @aflyingstarly5535@aflyingstarly5535Ай бұрын
  • I really appreciate how well balanced this is brought. Well done

    @HypaxBE@HypaxBE3 ай бұрын
  • Thank you! Very well done.

    @jeffgTrialsBikes@jeffgTrialsBikes3 ай бұрын
  • Well for Poland they have the least terrorist attacks because of their immigration system least accepting immgrants from the religion of peace

    @acsgdo02@acsgdo023 ай бұрын
    • Yes, bbut no future because they have virtually no young people, compared previous gennerations

      @Rowlph8888@Rowlph88883 ай бұрын
  • I love how pragmatic centrism is now labelled "far right". The Overton window has been dragged so far to the extreme left, that my centrist views are now considered "alt right" extremist to the "freakish left".

    @mikeburns703@mikeburns7033 ай бұрын
    • Left and right has lost meaning. "Far right" is used as a swear word by the "progressive" media. It is used, as you say, to denigrate sensible opinions.

      @stephenwong4934@stephenwong49343 ай бұрын
    • "If you're not with us, you're against us." -George W. Bush

      @SgtBrutalisk@SgtBrutalisk2 ай бұрын
    • Better to be far right than far wrong.

      @LennyCash777@LennyCash7775 күн бұрын
  • It's just business. The billionaires want cheap labor. That's why women had to go to work, and since they're not having children, they need to import women that do. The tax payer, pays for the housing and maintenance of the migrant as they flood the job market to create cheap labor.

    @Malignant88@Malignant883 ай бұрын
  • In sweden we have mainly problem with arabs and africans. Ukrainare you never see they integrates in weeks

    @lars-stefanholmberg1200@lars-stefanholmberg12003 ай бұрын
    • What about indians and Asians?

      @honkhonk8009@honkhonk80093 ай бұрын
    • Never a problem

      @lars-stefanholmberg1200@lars-stefanholmberg12003 ай бұрын
  • You cannot simultaneously complain about "birthrate decline" /"underpopulation" AND ALSO about "too many immigrants coming into your country". Pick ONLY ONE.

    @theultimatereductionist7592@theultimatereductionist759222 күн бұрын
  • It is hard to understand. If the European countries need so desperately illegal migrants from Africa and the Middle East to fill the labour market why is the EU ruling cast punishing countries not taking those illegals with 20 000 euro fine?

    @CDA138ek@CDA138ek3 ай бұрын
    • I would assume at the same time if the birth rates were on average around 2, there wouldn't be a huge need to take in immigrants. But the increase in cost of living doesn't help.

      @invertedv12powerhouse77@invertedv12powerhouse773 ай бұрын
  • The only channel that doesn’t smear the anti immigration parties as far right.

    @Bicloptic@Bicloptic3 ай бұрын
  • Good video - but I would just like to ask regarding the statistic of 71% at 4:46 - why doesn't the pie chart reflect that percentage? Just a small gripe re data visualisation.

    @jerryplayz101@jerryplayz1013 ай бұрын
  • Problem isn't migrants, we have the most important diaspora of chinese, vietnamese in France and we only have problem with islamic culture

    @WolfearOfficial@WolfearOfficial3 ай бұрын
  • This is all by design.

    @msg4672@msg46723 ай бұрын
    • Indeed.

      @LennyCash777@LennyCash7775 күн бұрын
  • Jep the problem is, were Are to friendly in the EU, we should Lock the borders, with every Thing possible, cause we have seen to many times, people from the middle east and africa, isnt interest ed in living by our laws and customs, so please immegrants, who want to live by other other rules, move to a country, where you can live by the rules you want.

    @oldmennewgames@oldmennewgames3 ай бұрын
    • no

      @FernandoPerez3h.@FernandoPerez3h.3 ай бұрын
    • Too friendly 😂

      @mr.takethingstooseriously@mr.takethingstooseriously3 ай бұрын
    • EU neeeded this migrants to fund pensions. But they brought in too many crimes which increase spending for law enforcements

      @Lucas-wn5wm@Lucas-wn5wm3 ай бұрын
    • ​@@mr.takethingstooseriouslyI double you up.. EU too friendly 😂😂😂

      @gitjeg3655@gitjeg36553 ай бұрын
    • @@gitjeg3655 they are a group of brats who get their brother in high school to beat you up when you are already one grade below them 😂

      @mr.takethingstooseriously@mr.takethingstooseriously3 ай бұрын
  • I don't think the maker of the video understands the problems that we face. The parties labeled as 'anti-immigration' are generally not against immigration. They are against the immigration of people who have nothing to contribute to society. These are mostly people from safe countries, or traveling through safe countries to countries where they apply for refugee status and expect to get a better future, while having very little to offer themselves. The west needs foreign knowledge workers to keep their advanced economies going. The 'anti-immigration' parties want control over who enters the country and who isn't allowed to enter.

    @GerbenWulff@GerbenWulff3 ай бұрын
  • It's 30 years too late, everything is way out of control and there is no fixing it or going back.

    @bankaiiibankaaa4573@bankaiiibankaaa45732 ай бұрын
    • Yes, it's to late but better do something now than nothing

      @octopuz9999@octopuz9999Күн бұрын
  • That speeches tone in the beginning sounded familiar 😂 Nah all jokes aside this is wild

    @CHESTER9871@CHESTER98713 ай бұрын
  • Stick with your own, you can't go wrong.

    @paulyoung4422@paulyoung44223 ай бұрын
  • Le grand remplacement, c'est maintenant 😂

    @kirikei@kirikei3 ай бұрын
  • You got that right! Freedom Baby!

    @knockemoutjohnjustjohn2763@knockemoutjohnjustjohn27634 күн бұрын
  • Very well balanced contribution to this complex topic ! As an Austrian-born global business citizen, I was aware to be privileged, but nevertheless I always tried to integrate into any society where I was located. It is possible, but it requires the ability to learn fast and to have well-developed social skills and communication skills. Europe without immigration will fail, but immigration needs to become a mission of everyone - we cannot leave this to ‘politics’. Communities and neighborhoods can actually create positive miracles of integration and create lovely intercultural examples of shaping the future.

    @heinzgassner1057@heinzgassner10573 ай бұрын
  • Wow. That is crazy !!!

    @tommybutler2454@tommybutler24543 ай бұрын
  • Why doesn’t saudi arabia or the UAE absorb their share of their muslim refugee brethren?

    @dieterjoseph8569@dieterjoseph85692 ай бұрын
  • Here in Scotland in last two years came really large number of people from africa. Will say that they don’t seem happy to be here. Scotland is not famous for great weather and because of huge inflation and economic downfall people don’t get much from welfare

    @januk525@januk5253 ай бұрын
  • Gold standard of reporting. Keep it ip.

    @geofferyromany4634@geofferyromany46343 ай бұрын
  • I'm sick of hearing this blame about the "far right" from the far left. Sick, and tired.

    @javachopTV@javachopTV3 ай бұрын
    • Better to be far right than far wrong, I say.

      @LennyCash777@LennyCash7775 күн бұрын
  • Good, balanced report. I've migrated twice and it took 7 years for me to meet the requirements of where I live now. We simply can't have open borders with people just turning up with their hands out. This will bankrupt countries and lead to massive social problems.

    @Turitea@Turitea3 ай бұрын
  • Another big problem is that the billionaires want cheap labor no matter where they are coming from, and the EU don’t do anything to stop this migrant madness!!!

    @denmark2680@denmark2680Ай бұрын
  • I live in Warsaw, Poland. We have a lot of imigrants from UA and other regions of the world - asia africa. but all that i've met WORK - even as simple of a job as food delivery, uber etc. Even the women. A lot of them start their firms. They are normal people. And i look at the news + vids from the rest of europe - UK, FR, GE, SWE etc and i see imigrants from africa and the middle east that only make problems for the people tha welcomed them - ghettos, gangs, crimes etc. When the War started Poland opened the boardes, there was no mass consuion. Just people who really were running away from war, that worked, had companies. I think its too big of a cultural difference to apply the same "mass" migration from africa and the middle east. There are a lot of rich countires in that region. Saudis, UAE. WHy dont these imigrants go there for help? They are often closer in culture to them? I think that the western countries give to much money to the imigrants and they dont have to work/assimilate. Ive heard they rent giantn appartaments and live in them in large numbers. In poland that is not the case. U come u get some help but u either work or get homeless/deported. NO riots. No gangs. One of the safest places in europe. And the wall on the border is a MUST have. If we wouldnt have it then we would have a BIG problem in our own country and wouldnt be able to help others.

    @OKonradO1@OKonradO13 ай бұрын
    • Thats because Poland is sensible, and has restrictions on who gets to come and who doesnt. Same here in Canada. We had a few problems with indian scammers, but overall it worked well for us. The reason why Saudis and the UAE doesnt have immigrants is the same reason Poland doesnt want illegals lol.

      @honkhonk8009@honkhonk80093 ай бұрын
    • That's shocking to read this 😢

      @MrMartellSincere@MrMartellSincere2 ай бұрын
    • Yes but are they Polish?

      @donsullivan6199@donsullivan619919 күн бұрын
  • Greek here. These banners "eu open your borders" are willing to have in there homes 2 or 3 families? many countries don't have space and resources to sustain these numbers!

    @antonisNWC@antonisNWC28 күн бұрын
  • ..one of the many resources to found your own opinion...so beautiful

    @DivanProdOfficial@DivanProdOfficial3 ай бұрын
  • Video starts at 30 secconds in if anyone else thought they clicked the wrong video or something

    @MrCreed145@MrCreed1453 ай бұрын
  • Very realistic video !!! Great job !!!

    @ReneMenezes@ReneMenezes3 ай бұрын
  • Taking on a project with no plan never ends well. Mass immigration to solve labor issues is exactly that, while fueling crime and lack of integration.

    @Username18981@Username189813 ай бұрын
  • So why do EU countries prefer to pay more for immigrants while Europeans struggle to raise their children? Low birth rates are caused in part by the rising costs of living. Support EU families whose children don’t need to “maybe” integrate first and then maybe work after 10+ years of collecting benefits.

    @ioanliviu22@ioanliviu223 ай бұрын
  • The worst part of this in Ireland it was as evident as an elephant in the room people are fed up Ireland has a massive housing crisis largely ignored by our government which is increasing immigration knowing damn well there is no housing affordable anywhere its unfair to immigrants aswel everyone suffers as a result

    @paddyc2376@paddyc23762 ай бұрын
    • Same thing happening in Canada. Now we have tons of south asian slumlords trying to rent tents or bedspace to other south asians (and specifying that no other race is welcome to apply, which is illegal).

      @venus_envy@venus_envy20 күн бұрын
  • A change is coming that is unavoidable at this point, whether it will be for the better or worse I guess only time will tell.

    @blacklighthologram5339@blacklighthologram53393 ай бұрын
    • 42 percent of violent crimes from 3.2 percent of the population (France). I personally have been attacked by one and I am in Canada. This is Nature's scary work.

      @RobShuttleworth@RobShuttleworth3 ай бұрын
  • Although immigration for jobs is good in theory, its rarely been successful in practice. the problem is governments are basically having competitions for who can import more people. However it seems like right after the immigrant has been put on welfare the government looses interest. That way crime rises, no more jobs are filled, and an already struggling welfare system starts to show cracks. There needs to be a middle ground, but that will not happen as long as anyone even slightly opposed to changes is called racist, islamophobic or whatever. My take atleast

    @fredrik5057@fredrik50573 ай бұрын
  • The line has not only been reached, but crossed by a massive margin, in every Western country!

    @miketalley5476@miketalley5476Күн бұрын
  • 01:25 Toni Brunner was long time ago xD its Marcel Dettling now.

    @RidingTheKhaliYuga@RidingTheKhaliYuga8 күн бұрын
  • Excellent presentation. Western countries have always done the humanitarian thing and taken in refugees, and countries like the US and those in the British Commonwealth have also taken in steady streams of migrants. It is the illegal immigration, fanned by people smugglers, which these formerly welcoming countries are pushing back against. The concept of multiculturalism in these countries has also caused problems in recent decades because of the subsequent failure of so many of these migrants to successfully integrate (especially those from Middle Eastern countries).

    @Jennifer-mv9pg@Jennifer-mv9pg3 ай бұрын
  • It's such a shame we can't stay together!

    @Sovjetski-@Sovjetski-3 ай бұрын
  • I appreciate you telling people to form their own opinion through multiple sources we need more of that

    @g3n3ral1nsanity5@g3n3ral1nsanity53 ай бұрын
    • No that’s a stupid take. You actually need people to learn what epistemology is before you send them out to aggregate information from multiple sources.

      @henrytep8884@henrytep88843 ай бұрын
    • @@henrytep8884 trial and error builds character what's important is not training but an open mind In the words of mister T: I PITY YA FOOL

      @g3n3ral1nsanity5@g3n3ral1nsanity53 ай бұрын
  • Im of the opinion we need to fix the root of the problem which is the countries the immigrants are coming from. Make their own countries habitable and safe rather than have them all come to us.

    @minisnakali@minisnakali3 ай бұрын
    • Not really. We made a massive error during first immigration wave from Syria. We should have given them language training and started to force employers to increase output with the incoming workforce. But people voted and screamed otherwise. If you checked annual statistics and compared crime and GDP growth, you'd find that GDP growth is diminishing crime. It's as if not being able to feed yourself legally drives people to crime...

      @looseycanon@looseycanon3 ай бұрын
    • It's not our responsibility to save other countries when ours are barely holding on, I'm a young italian and i have almost no opportunities in this country, my country won't help Its own youth why should it help others? It's their responsibility to fix their own home, Italy didn't unify because other countries took pity on us, italy unified because my forefathers got themselves killed in a war, what little opportunity this country has should be mine and of other young italians by right, I don't ask the american government to pay for my shit so why should my government pay for africa? They have to fix their own homes

      @PeachDragon_@PeachDragon_3 ай бұрын
    • Here is a fact, when immigration came to Turkey and despite how bad theirs conditions staying there, they are still much better than lots of 3rd world countries. However, some people think we should help them get to the same conditions as the rest of Western countries which impossible with such a large amount.

      @johnwong5317@johnwong53173 ай бұрын
    • ​@PeachDragon_ yeah but to be fair, the italian gov hasnt done a good job to stimulate its own economy. And while you do have a point that we arent responsible for their broken home, we cant blame our broken home on them if they just got here. Like the guy said, integration is SUPER important and migrants tend to either do the jobs locals dont want to do or make new businesses (could be food/service/invention/etc.). Another thing to consider is that migration is basically a very cheap solution for a lack of skilled workers because they didnt need to invest for 20+ to get an educated worker. where the gov fails, crime will provide because desperation leads to reckless acts. What bothers me is that the italian(not only the italians but jesus they are a clear point) gov has been stagnant for like the past 20 years but the gov has blamed immigration on their own fuck ups and that never leads to a good outcome. The distribution of migrants and their integration needs to be well managed, or else itll either become a constant political talking point thats never solved and/or elevated crime rates

      @fmg337@fmg3373 ай бұрын
    • Post colonialism yep

      @jillybe1873@jillybe18733 ай бұрын
  • Migrants should adapt to the host country traditions and policy, and not to force thier religion and whatever to those native population

    @kealeradecal6091@kealeradecal60913 ай бұрын
  • His broom is busy.

    @PatriciaLucious-ll2vm@PatriciaLucious-ll2vm3 ай бұрын
  • Does Africa have nothing to offer? What resources can they sell? It's like they have nothing.

    @dakawans83@dakawans833 ай бұрын
    • Everything is stolen by tribe leaders.

      @arthurdevrome8925@arthurdevrome89258 күн бұрын
  • 1:37 Nice

    @ultrablade2580@ultrablade25803 ай бұрын
  • I've heard that Saudi Arabia is rich and they're Muslim too. Why don't refugees go there?

    @NeilBaker722@NeilBaker7223 ай бұрын
    • Search how saudi arabia treats its workers to see if anyone would want to go there.

      @itslydia6426@itslydia64263 ай бұрын
  • They have to start sending the immigrants back that don't fit with the countries culture.

    @ediddysmith2500@ediddysmith250010 сағат бұрын
  • I don't see any comments about the elephant in the room. The main reason of the demographic collapse since 2021. As always, I'm sure KZhead deletes them.

    @user-ti3wk6zs1r@user-ti3wk6zs1r3 ай бұрын
  • SVP in 🇨🇭 exists since 1848 approx. my dear. And was always the strongest party 😉

    @markusfuerer5431@markusfuerer543117 күн бұрын
  • our countries fought hard in history to keep islam out of europe for thousands of years.. than that dwarf angela comes and the beginning of history of german islam republic, french chalifat and the fall for rest was born.. thank you frau merckle

    @theoteddy9665@theoteddy96653 ай бұрын
  • These *extreme scenario in x months* are ridiculous

    @ApoRekt@ApoRekt3 ай бұрын
  • I thought European problem is with illegal immigration not immigration

    @benshephard5573@benshephard55733 ай бұрын
    • Some of legal ones and asylum seekers are establishing gangs here.

      @Lucas-wn5wm@Lucas-wn5wm3 ай бұрын
    • legal aswell since the standards are so low anybody can get in.

      @honkhonk8009@honkhonk80093 ай бұрын
  • Wery nice conclusion of the video. There is where future lies. Yes...

    @BlackHattie@BlackHattie3 ай бұрын
  • I am really concerned about human right situation in Europe. They should protect minority rigts and freedom of speech. This is what they lecture to others 😮

    @user-ub1xr8md1g@user-ub1xr8md1g18 күн бұрын
  • Each time gov's rise pensions the number of immigrants needed gets bigger. It's a never ending tale.

    @TiagoSilva-vt7ie@TiagoSilva-vt7ie3 ай бұрын
    • This is not correct. It is the opposite. Every time you get an immigrant, the government will have to lower pensions. There is no net positive effect on GDP through immigration of low skilled labor. This is true for 2nd and even 3rd generation. Talking about GDP is a way to use statistics to lie about the issue. It is per capita GDP, not GDP, that is important for the people living in a country.

      @heltengundersen@heltengundersen2 ай бұрын
    • @@heltengundersen Well, basically each time the government raises pensions (or even talks about it) they use that as justification for bringing in a few hundred thousand or even a million people. It's not relevant if they are telling the truth, but it's what people are told over and over again.

      @venus_envy@venus_envy20 күн бұрын
  • The question is: can something be done about it? Is it worth devoting individual time to it or just accept the inevitable and live your life?

    @arthurdevrome8925@arthurdevrome89258 күн бұрын
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