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The Columbus Blue Jackets recently hired one of the NHL's most hated coaches in Mike Babcock. After being hailed as one of hockeys greatest coaches, Babcock's treatment of his players has been a topic of discussion for years. In this video, we break down how his firing marked a change in what the NHL expects from their coaches.
Chris Chelios on Franzen & Babcock: syndication.bleacherreport.co...
Johan Franzen on Babcock: www.expressen.se/sport/hockey...
Babcock/Marner incident: www.thescore.com/nhl/news/209...
Mike Babcock CBJ Press conference: kzhead.infoA2VdCxed...
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As a leaf fan.. I remember how excited I was for this guy to become coach. Turned out to be another Leaf moment 😂
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Good coach lmfao in Detroit ok point given in Toronto terrible what he did with certain star players.leaf franchise is not terrible u must be a Boston or Habs fan😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
Ahaha
@@_SayaNaratell that to Modano with 1499 games played..
@@_SayaNara that isnt relevant.
"Now whether Mike Babcock is full of sh*t remains to be seen." 💀
This has aged well 😂. That jerk is O.U.T!
I remember when he was coaching the Wings and at that time, I read a story from an NHL analyst who said that free agents in many cases avoided Detroit because they did not want to play for him. People deserve another chance but not sure there is any cure for being an ahole.
Detroit signed more free agents than anyone, and top tier ones at that.
Babcock got more chances than he deserved. He destroyed careers and played games with their lives. He didn't give many second chances to those he coached.
"Whether Mike Babcock is full of s***" had me laughing. 😂
Babcock didn’t have a communication problem. He had a being a bad human problem. Big difference. He did things for no reason at all other than abusing his position of power. This is a problem with some people in positions of authority where they think they can do anything they want and harm others just to put others down. If you have met people like this, it’s almost like a mental illness but it causes a lot of harm to others. I hope that he has taken a hard look at his behaviour, but what he has to change is a lot deeper than “communication”.
You were right.
The dude has a personality disorder
Narcissism is a mental health issue, yea
I so wish that the Babcock style of coaching would be history in all sports, NHL, MLB, NFL, NBA, MLS etc. At least Babcock is history now.
He's not
Mike hasn't changed nor will he change.
Columbus is taking a risk that may prove destructive to players and the team. We really ought to expect little from Babcock.
they only signed him for 2 years
I feel kinda bad for Gaudreau he escapes Sutter only to get saddled with Babcock
What risk, weren't they the 2nd worst team in the league? difficult for them to get any worse.
@@goose5462 they had 40 mil in ir last year
@@goose5462the risk of ruining the prospects
His record earned him a 2nd shot. If it was another coach who hadn’t won anything, I feel like he wouldn’t be back in the league
He only has his record because he lucked into coaching the 2002-2010 era redwings. With the likes of Zetterberg, datsyuk, yzernan, lidstrom and the list goes on.
Scottie Bowman created his entire legacy by making that team anyways. Most/all of his Detroit successes belongs to big B
Hey the Anaheim Ducks put up with Dallas eakins for 4 years. He hasn't won anyting.
Agree with all the comments above, Lidstrom led the locker room in Detroit
Babs has only won once and that’s with Anaheim. As a die hard Wings fan, he sold us very short. He’s an evil man and doesn’t deserve to be back in the league. He’s a loser when he’s not gifted a team
We were so devastated when he left our city’s team to go to Toronto. If the wings were struggling with the greatest coach still coaching, how could they ever get back to championships with a lesser coach was the sentiment. Fast forward a few seasons and we’re re like, “why didn’t we get rid of him sooner?
The gradual removal of angry yelling hardass coaching is largely thanks to our growing understanding of the importance of mental health, if you ask me. I feel back in the early 2000s and even 2010s, mental health was still a thing most of us didn't think about much.
Or maybe "mental health" is really code for being a whiny, entitled brat. What the hell happened to men??
Or care about
Being a life-long Detroit Red Wings fan, I never really disliked Babcock. He won a Stanley Cup in 2008, and came within a win of repeating in 2009. When I heard some of the things that he did: (Mike Modano not playing in his 1,500 game comes to mind) I really didn't care for him much. He reminds me of another coach in none other than "Iron" Mike Keenan. Someone who is better with seasoned veteran players and not so much with younger ones.
Babcock failed as a coach in that 7th game against the pens. He told the ream to be patient right up until Lidstrom finally scored with minutes to spare. They lost by one goal because of his insistence of patience. Both back to back years in the final the Red Wings controlled play. When you own the puck, you should be owning the other team on the scoreboard, not fucking the dog. That game 7 loss to Pittsburgh was a coaching nightmare, and I wanted him fired two minutes after the Pens won. He is simply just not that good.
@skyehorvath9063 I do agree with you completely about that 7th game of the 09' final. They let that series get away. They were up 3 games to 2 in that series, and even if they weren't able to close it out in 6, they should have (in only my opinion) easily won that 7th game at home. As much as the playoff losses in 95' to New Jersey, and 96' to Colorado hurt, that loss to the Pens in 09' is still a bitter one to this day.
Any coach could have won with those all star teams come on !!!
Mike babcock needs to show me he has changed before I trust him in any capacity as a coach, or a person that is around any young player.
Sorry, but I don't recognize you as anyone that Mike Babcock needs to prove anything to. Only the management, the team, and coaching/training staff of the Columbus Blue Jackets have any stake, or say on that.
@stillkickinb should have listened to this person? andgeorgianbay900
He is an **Shole..the way he treated Mitch.Marner was criminal should never be allowed to coach again!
Hilarious that Johnny wanted to get away from Sutter and now this lmao
Johnny "no playoff hockey" deserves this, cant stop laughing at his choice.
@@goose5462f Gaudreau had signed with the Devils, his head coach would have been the affable Lindy Ruff.
Sutter cannot communicate with people as he has only a 200 word vocabulary, and he is also a halfwit. I’d have a hard time playing for somebody with the acumen of a 6 year old.
This guy will last till early December then .. " YOU FIRED"
Mike Sullivan and Paul Maurice both stand firm on the line of being harsh while keeping good relations and being that strong leader. More coaches need to model their style from these fellas. Aint nobody following their hockey dreams want to be coached by people like that one peewee baseball coach i see all over youtube yellin at little kids like he'll murder em if they don't win. Everybody on an NHL roster wants to win and the times where they are treated like they don't, have passed. its time for teams to move passed Babcock
Chris Chelios was disturbed by Babcock's treatment of Franzen, keep in mind he played for Mike Keenan in Chicago. That says a lot about Babcock.
I heard Sullivan was a lot like Babcock or Tortorella. A very tough coach, can be shrill at times. But at least, if you pour everything onto the ice, Sullivan begins to look like a player's coach.
thank you for doing this, i always wondered what really happened with Bobcock.
Ah,.......he tripped out on his own ego's Hubris. If MB hasn't really changed, Johnny Hockey will be more mopey than usual.
Wonder if Marner has Columbus circled on his calendar?
Babcock, Keenan, Torts, Coach Q and Laviolette are fiercely hated. I bet Laine and Gaudreau will ask to be traded by the deadline.
All champions.
@@10.11.9 So the common denominator for the aforementioned Stanley Cup champion head coaches was they treated their players like dirt which made them better players.
Never meeting, playing for, or coaching with Mike Babcock, it's tough to judge him. The numbers don't lie, his teams have been successful and he has coached Stanley Cup winning teams. However, he is one of the very few hockey people that give the vibe of being bigger than the game itself, and that has always rubbed me the wrong way. People can change. Is hockey fun with Mike Babcock? Despite all the work, sweat, blood, and strife a team goes through, it still needs to be fun at the end of the day. Will he keep that element of fun, or will he suck the life out of everyone by being solely a drill sergeant?
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He is fortunate that the team underachieved so much that is hard to imagine the team not doing better.
With Babcock the issue wasn't being tough it was that he had to be the story and would not let anyone else have their moments such as Modano or Spezza. Check out what he did to Mike Comery.
What he did to Mike Commodore was rather slimy and low down too. That’s trust betraying.
Babcock's resume is overinflated by coaching stacked teams. The Canada team he won a gold medal was ridiculously stacked, they still needed OT to beat USA. The Red Wings were stacked the whole time he was there and only won 1 cup. 09 team had 3 50 point defenseman including Lindstrom, 2 of the best defensive centers of all time in Datsyuk and Zetterberg, plus Hossa and Franzen. Still couldn't get it done.
I’ve been making this argument for years dude. Babs is hugely overrated. The Anaheim team was stacked too with Niedermayer, Pronger, Selänne, Getzlaf and Perry.
His playoff record does not survive inspection. He had way strong Teams for Canada and barely scraped by. I fully agree with your assessment.
A potato could get gold with Canada. Doesn't mean a gd thing.
It's funny how all Babcock ever preached was "he's a good family man, he's a good person first and foremost, he comes from a great family" etc.. And yet it turns out he's the exact opposite of all of that. They do say when someone is constantly shoving something down everyone's throat, unsolicited, it's usually complete BS.
The good ol' NHL Boy Club is stronger than anything though. That's why it's always a carousel of the same group of people for key positions. Once you're in, you're family. And even then, you can be the worst guy in the history's of your job, and still get open arms for a media position.
The expression is "the old boys club" so it would be "NHL old boys club." Just trying to help, when people hear something out of order and have to stop and think about it, they lose track of what you're saying. Sorry if I sound rude.
@@booradley6832 No prob dude. English is a third language, but it's no excuse. My issue here was writing for the time an expression reserved for informal discussions; I've never read it/see it spelled out even. So eh, tried my best :P I think most ppl automatically knew what I was referring to, but it's good to have the correct way to write it for future reference. Thanks for time/contribution dude :) And I 100% prefer someone going straight to the point than passive-aggressive BS, etc. It's not rude at all imho. It's not your fault if some people can't take minor criticism eh....
As a long time wing follower here's the thing. Not only was Babcock a shitty human, he was tactically a bad coach. Wings coulda shouda won a lot more during his tenure with the talent they had.
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I think everyone can grow and evolve. let's see if he really has. won't wash his terrible past actions, everyone has the possibilty to be a better person (ans when I read internet lot of people should try to be better)
This man owes his entire career to JS Giguere. Ever since Giggy nearly single-handedly won this tree stump of a human being a stanley cup he's had everything handed to him and either squandered or nearly squandered all of it. He won a cup in Detroit? Did you see that roster? How did he only win one cup with them? Replace him with a better coach and they are a dynasty. All his head games ruined the confidence of a young, developing Leafs team that still cannot believe in themselves beyond achieving a single playoff win series since the day he took over behind the bench. Team Canada? Did you watch that Olympic tournament? They almost lost to Latvia because he was having the most powerful offense in the world play a safe and conservative style. I could have coached that team to a gold medal. His spiel about 23 different communication styles is BS of the highest order. If it were true, and it isn't, then a) you would need a lot more coaches per team to cover how to coach to all 23 guys plus the 5-10 extras who get called up during the season and b) he will absolutely fail because he only knows one communication style which is 'asshole'.
The guy on your logo looks like coach chippy!😂
The championship Canadiens teams of the 70's say that they all hated Scotty Bowman 363 days out of the year and then lifted the cup on day 364. They then went back to hating him the following day.
I think the key to that sentence is "of the 70's." This coming from someone who actually likes Babcock (and Bowman for that matter) from his days in Detroit, but I still think he's a remnant of a different age. Not confident that strategy can work today, and not convinced Babcock has achieved Nirvana all of a sudden.
As a Jackets fan I was surprised. But Columbus has an excellent GM and top brass who take chances that often pay off. I believe people can change if they want to & are motivated. I believe in second chances. Babcock has nothing to lose and everything to gain. So do the Jackets. The organization saw something in Babcock. He’s got the Xs & Os. If he’s got the soft skills now the team is in wild card in a year or two and so many are proved wrong. If not Babcock’s fired and never coaches in the NHL again…
I think he can differently change his coaching style because the things they said about Bruce Cassidy this past season and look at what happened.
Columbus is gonna be a intriguing team this coming year. Their revamped defense, finally having a quality centre in Fantilli and very curious to see if Babcock has actually grown as a person and coach. If he can get a good system going with a new attitude, this team could be good.
Wow, through no fault of your own, this aged HORRIBLY
When a player said "he's the worst person I have ever met" maybe that is a sign that he's a bad person? LOL. Notice how he didn't say coach but person. That really says something. And Babcok verbally assaulted a player. If I was the player I would of physically assaulted him back. I kind of don't understand how a full growm man and a NHL hockey player would take that?
Hit your coach and risk being labeled as "a problem" by the whole league? Great way to be out of a job. That being said, yeah from the stories that are out there Babcock 100% would deserve that, but people have higher priorities.
Put him in a room with Franzen tomorrow, then call him dentist. Babcock will need one. Babcock is a 1st Class prick. That is why he is unemployed.
Franzen is probably the WORST example somebody can give about Babcock being bad lmao. Franzen for starters isn't mentally all there, so anything said by him needs to be taken with a grain of salt. With that said, Lidstrom has spoke up around all this drama happened, and said he had absolutely nothing bad to say about Babcock, and has never heard of these allegations ever in his life, even after he retired, and only a few years ago, Lidstrom did an interview, and said it wasn't true. I'm going to take Lidstrom's word over Franzen's 100 times out of 100.
I played with him during shrimages !!! His dad was my coach !!! The players lost a moment !!! He could have brought the cup to Toronto !!! Your loss !!! Thank you from a Habs fan !!!
Chris Chelios loathed Babcock with a passion.
This is really good.
Think BJs wud of got more respect hiring Joel Quenville lol 😂🤔😏😜
This video aged perfectly 😂
he will never change ........ shame on Gary Betman and Columbus.......hope the fans step up and say this can not happen
He coached the University of Lethbridge hockey team to a championship while I was a student there.
Listening to Johnny G's first spitting chicklets interview post-announcement he was headed to Columbus from Calgary, he pretty much said he had a major problem was Sutter's coaching style. I bet you a dollar his heart sank to the floor when he heard Babcock was on his way. I'll give Babcock the benefit of the doubt, but then again I didn't make a major life-change to move away from toxic coaching.
Wtf are you talking about? Johnny praised Sutter on that episode and said he loved playing for him.
I hope he has learned enough to make actual adjustments during the playoffs. Instead, just rolling lines and losing. Which is what he did while in Toronto,
Might need to update with another video at this point lmao
I'm surprised Barney Rubble is a coach in the first place.
We all know the most hated man in hockey is Gary bettman 😂
eh, IDK if he's hated or treated more as an annoying version of a text to speech program with a meat golem. Everyone knows he's just a puppet put out there and made to dance by the strings the owners pull. He doesnt get the pure visceral hate some dirty players do because he's a necessary evil and rather detached. The mechanics behind this are very interesting to me lol.
Time will tell if he's learned to manage his ego. I hope so for Columbus fans and players.
I hope he fails epically and is never heard from again.
As a Red Wings fan, !@#$ Babcock. Columbus made a huge mistake.
I saw a documentary about Scotty Bowman. I can’t remember who the player was but he said you would hate the guy for 364 days of the year then on the 365th day you won the Stanley Cup.
Babs is the reason Datsyuk left for Russia and Zetterberg retired early. He and the overrated Kenny Holland decimated the Wings franchise. Stevie Y has a lot of work ahead of him!!
I'm skeptical of the capacity of people changing, especially one's who are as egotistical as Babcock has always seemed.
Does being a better communicator mean you aren't a jerk anymore? Ask Mike Commodore
As a detroit red wings fan we would've won more cups if he wasn't around
CBJ darkhorse next season
@@AlGrundau866Johnny left because Calgary is a dump and he wanted to be closer to home. Not sutter
Yeah, I remember when he benched Jason Spezza. That was a lowball move especially knowing the fans were excited about Spezza AND his family was there to see him play. Very very low.
J. S. Led the ducks to the finals, not babycock. He was lucky in Detroit to be joining a great hockey team, before got there and choked, up 3 games 2 and losing a final that they surely should have won for a second cup in a row. Never went pass the 1st round in Toronto with all that talent. The modono incident in Detroit was plain spiteful, the franzen thing, the mainer thing in Toronto. Where is this myth that he's some great coach? Columbus just set their franchise back a few years. Good luck boys.
I feel Babcock’s shenanigans stalled the Leaf’s development. I truly believe he was the right man for the job, but his ego and drug addiction was too much for this team to handle. Everything the Leaf’s have finally implemented into their game the past season is what Babcock was trying to teach prior to his firing.
Drug addiction??? 🤨
What exactly did Babcock say about Marner that was incorrect? As far as I'm concerned by watching him play Playoff hockey, I'd say Babcock was spot on with his assessment on that team. They are all incredibly whiney, and have absolutely zero heart.
@jleif7736 so your coach calls you Into the office as a rookie, asks you who you think are weaker players on the team. You tell him, thinking it's a weird question. You go out to practice and when everyone is Huddled up he tells the team what you said. That's what he did to marner. Have you ever played team sports? I would be irate if my coach did that to me in any capacity, and that's horrible for team chemistry. Use your brain.
@@tavisdurant9706 lmao 😂. Oh my god. Poor Marner. He must still have PTSD from such a horrible act 😢. Buddy grow up. Was it a nice thing to do? No. Did it get the response he wanted. Again, probably no. But stop acting like this is something so bad that he should never coach again over. He learned from his mistake. You sound super soft lol. Nobody cares what you would think playing little league bud 😂
Well.that went south quickly
The game has passed him by , we will see at the end of the year
Who doesn't like a good story about redemption? Hell, we've all been there. Why don't we pull for the guy to succeed . . .
To shoot straight, Babcock looks like a player's coach next to guys like Jack Adams or Scotty Bowman, the guys who won most of the Wings' Cups. His style of coaching works when you have strong-minded players who take nothing personally, but are determined to go through a brick wall to win. This kind of leadership style is prevalent in sports and in business. In the old days, he actually commanded the respect of elite players, likely because they know the winning business. And I suppose when he got hired by the Leafs, even some of the players were looking forward to playing for him, believing they could win. But then things went horribly wrong.
I'm a Leafs fan and I'm not going to be surprised if he has changed. Simply because that would be pretty spot on for our luck. The proof is in the pudding though. Babcock's methods got outdated a long time ago. It will be a difficult thing for him to change. Best of luck to him.
like the leafs playoff performance, some things never change.
With what came out, I don’t think I’d worry. Babcock is being a penis again
*cackles uncontrollably and points at Leafs fans* OMG YOU GUYS FELL FOR IT SO BAD WHEN WE FIRED BABCOCK! CONGRATS RED WINGS ON PULLING OFF THE BIGGEST TROLL MOVE IN NHL HISTORY
This is sadly how a lot of coaches were in that era. I had 3 mike babdocks in juniors and a couple in AAA
All I can say is I hope things go well for Columbus.
Boy that sure was a good, long run 🤣 Btw can I see your phone?
Narcissists always groom everyone. He made people believe he was great!
He fell into teams that were good. He probably cost the wings 2 more cups
Bro left before training camp lmao
Sitting Madano is unforgivable.
I didn’t know that about Modano. That has to be one of the biggest dick moves in NHL history.
Cbj going to the finals next season
This didnt age well.
Jarmo should be held accountable for hiring this psychopath.
Columbus is in the playoffs.
Didn’t even make it to training camp - he will never coach at the NHL (or any level for that matter) ever again. Who cares about the money he’s made; his reputation and behaviour will be forever tarnished.
Ooops, he did it again.
A Narcissist's evil will only be know by his/her target. Everyone else will think he/she is charming and wonderful.
Turned out great!
I said it before and I will say it again you get right to the Point and give the Facts you Cut out all the Fat your point of view is Really Spot on. Being a Black Hawks / VGK Fan but most of all I Love everything Hockey First. Thanks for your Great work on giving us the Facts on the Best Sport in the World HOCKEY !!!!
Thanks for letting us know your skin pigment because thats whats most important when having an opinion😂
@@stanleyfranks9891 I don't know where the Pigment of my skin came in on this conversation but I guess, Okay ??
@@bettingpicksandparlays8087it was a joke, you said "Black Hawks fan" instead of "Blackhawks"
@@Lancerandduck7 I'm an idiot I get it delayed laughter . Have a Good Day !!
So Detroit native and lifelong Wings fan and also a fan of Toronto (when they aren't playing Detroit) and can't stand Babcock. I heard sooo many stories of him being an ass even to kids and parents when he did clinics and the like. I do have one nice story though. When my one son was little, we were eating breakfast at a Restaurant in Northville Michigan and Mike came in with his family. We were right up by the door and my son was in a highchair and covered in pancakes. Mike came in and was right in my sons line of sight and waved and smiled at him, I guess like a normal person, lol! Anyway, I guess people can change but I won't be betting on the Blue Jackets any time soon.
Mike Commodore. What does he say about this?
It's interesting to watch this video now after he just resigned before the season started.
Enough recycling old coaches because of their "experience." New coaches are needed in the new NHL....
If he wins in Columbus not the cup but playoffs and success the Leafs look even stupider. With that being said ive heard nothing but bad things about babcock from current and former players.
Ok, what about now?
@@pcho93 Looks like my impression was correct.
Columbus Blue Jackets front office must really hate their on ice talent. Just saying.
Johnny Gaudreau is gonna mental boom
This is a hire you make when jobs are on the line.
Johnny had his best Seasons under Sutter😉
I see this has aged well =P
They have a lot of great young players. Can Bab's do what he says he now understands? I doubt it. Those powerhouse teams, Anaheim and Detroit were elite teams with thick-skinned hall-of-fame veterans. Winning brings smiles, but when things go sour this time at a NHL level, how will he respond?
Laine wants to be comfortable, not held accountable. Hope he gets his mindset right and gets back to scoring goals and gets along with Babcock after January.
This guy getting a new job is more shocking than a toaster bath😢😢
How can one person relate to everyone in a room . Some players are just lazy .
There are so many better options as coach than Babcock. And about the tactical thing. He's a great coach when he has great players in a known system. He has never shown an ability to elevate a team otherwise, or in this case is unlikely to have the Jackets punch above their weight. I sincerely hope for Jackets fans and the org that all of these words just become receipts
Wtf is CBJ doing?
guy was a great coach in Detroit. Can't deny that