How to Ride STEEP Runs on a Snowboard Without Losing Control and Going Too Fast
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I really like the clear explanation, especially the cutting through bumps and moguls. One thing I always tell beginners as well is that when they're carving/ traversing they can always steer up the mountain a little if they feel that they have too much speed.
The only thing I would add is about absorbing the bumps and pressing the tail into the bump as you ride over it, that extra pressure adds a lot of friction and slows you down dramatically so long as it's not super icy where only edges matter.
Thank you for this video. I'm at the point, where I am mastering double black diamonds and I am constantly reviewing my technique. This video is helping me refine my technique.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
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Tons of helpful tips here, thanks! I'll have a great streak of days getting low and committing to my edges no matter the conditions, then on off day where my fear takes over and I speed check down the fall line, mostly onto my ass, because it's steep icy moguls and I lose my nerve before completing my turns. Traversing, picking and sticking to a line, and locating a stop zone are good things to remember on those days.
Interesting advice about hitting bumps nose to tail and then turning. I had not heard this before and look forward to trying it out. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
I hadn’t thought of it before, but as he was saying it, I thought of kayaking through waves… same thing, you don’t want them to hit you on the side, you want to attack them head on and absorb it.
You definitely shred. Thanks for the mode of attack on these runs. I look forward to scoping out the next landing spot.
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Bro you have by far the most helpful snowboarding videos on KZhead. Please keep dropping these!!
I appreciate that!
This video was very helpful to me. I took up snowboarding after skiing off and on my whole life and I'm 55 with a strong surfing skill level. On perhaps my 20th snowboard run on a box blue while traversing confidently I caught an edge and sprained my front knee on my toe side. It really freaked me out, because I didn't know my knee was capable of bending in such a weird way. Needless to say, I sprained it and was very lucky, but now I'm leary about catching edges.
Glad it helped!
As a former young skier turned older rider/instructor, I suggest you focus on your shoulders - relax, keep neutral, more in-line with your board. Let your head look around like an owl, keeping your shoulders more in-line. As skiers, we tend to have our head and shoulders working together, generally facing downhill, often perpendicular to our sticks. If you do that on a board, you can un-balance your toe/heel pressure - one foot will press toe-side more, one foot will press heel-side more - which twists the board. Imagine traversing toe-side, heavy on you leading toe, heavy on your lagging heel. As you turn to heelside, if your leading toe is even a little too heavy, well, your knee knows what happens - you catch that toe edge and you pancake. Try for yourself indoors, with no equipment: Stand in a relaxed, neutral, athletic flat stance with knees slightly flexed, shoulders perpendicular to your feet, pressure even on toes and heels. Slowly rotate your shoulders, and see what you feel. Usually, rotating the shoulders produces more pressure on one toe and more pressure on the other heel, as if you are trying to ride toe-side under one foot, and heel-side under the other. Now try the same thing, but keep your shoulders still (in-line with your imaginary board) and just swivel your head to look around. Final advice - I personally highly recommend helmet, wristguards (Dakine under-the-glove with an oversized mitten) and kneepads. (I also wear Crash-Pads in the park since I don't bounce like I used to!) Hope this helps!
Another insightful video, Ed! Loving these videos! They're certainly helping me get better and challenging myself 🤙🏻
Love to hear it! 👊
I dnt really think people who know how to carve need to watch this video. I had to learn to do steep on my own as I couldn’t really traverse on my heel side because the steepness would just not allow me to be able to dig the heel edge. The correction I made that made the most sense was to put more weight in the front foot, bend knees and get on the heel simultaneously. Game changer.
Interesting... absolutely excellent that you found your solution. But I think I know how to carve, and still learned and reinforced tons from Ed's video. Extreme steeps and speed make me retreat to my rider fetal position - heel-sliding my board around, bringing it way too far around uphill, kills all momentum, rhythm and fun. This video, most all KZhead snowboard clinic videos, analyzing videos of myself, or having a qualified instructor give me a third-party viewpoint are all valuable resources for getting more fun out of my riding. Open our minds, enjoy the ride!
I've picked up so much from your channel, just need to keep on applying and practicing 😅 I appreciate your channel buddy! Snowy love from Toronto, Canada 🇨🇦
Thanks buddy! 🤙
The traverse technique and counter rotate really helps, your legs have to work like a shock absorber too.
Great vid. I would only add, to practice quick turns and transitions on easier runs to start with.
So helpful!
Thanks the video helps me a lot!
Happy to hear that!
Nice man, I appreciate your content >AZ
Nice I was trying zigzag with occasional counter rotation; but I is not carving. Afraid of getting speed and not being able to handle the bumps and changes in the snow, on edge.
What cameras do you film with? Looks great.
Like most snowboarding advice: practice helps so much. Getting used to faster and faster speed is key so you have no fear going that fast.
Great video
I’ve struggled with steep moguls for so long! I get going fast right away and every turn I have to basically stop or loose control. I need to get more comfortable with greater speed in general but those bumps are no fun!
I was at copper Wednesday too lol
When you say nose to tail, is that pointing your board flat in a stacked position (almost like a box technique)? Thanks, very useful
No, not really. It's actually a good time to change edges over a bump or a mogul using something called a retraction turn - suck your legs up to absorb the bump, which in turn unweights your board and also allows you to change edge as you move over the bump. You can pressure edges hard or initiate sharper turns to control speed as you come over the moguls. I's a great way to absorb the terrain and control speed at the same time.
@@kiddkaos1 This, the moguls are speed bumps but if you absorb they don't interrupt your flow and you initiate the turn just below the crest of the mogul and turn as you go over the top picking out your next turn as you press your tail down onto the back of the mogul facing back up the hill for a bit of extra slowing. Riding very icy moguls on a board is even more difficult than skis but if you don't try to turn too sharply, press your tail, absorb really well, and look for the least icy spots to turn, it is still possible to do it in control. Almost any good boarder can bomb mogul field for a short to medium amount of time, turning and making it thru an entire run of icy moguls takes more skill.
Yes...counter rotate on a black One....Yes....nice advice man.........
4:06 Those're some top mogul riding tips!
Good tip on riding bumps..front to back not toes to heels
I like to traverse - it feels like I'm enjoying more of the mountain instead of speeding past it. But every time I've been hit it's been because I'm on a steep green or blue, and a skier or snowboarder straightlines into me. It's hard for me to spot them uphill of me because they're covering so much ground so fast, but it's hard for them to see me because they're only looking straight down.
Head on a swivel when you’re traversing
Try to be consistent and predictable with your traverses - but yeah I hear you.
Also, don't traverse the entire width of the piste, that makes it really hard for people to go around :)
Can't traverse that much on the Ice coast (east) as the ice/hardpack can be a problem in the middle of the trail. Short turns on the trail edge (that's where the snow is) are necessary to control your speed and can be hard to do on steeper terrain.
Exactly, it's all about reading terrain, even at a time of day where it's very hard pack in the morning but mushy by afternoon.
Makes sense. Although I was born an east coast shredder I have forgotten what it's like. Need to make a trip to remember
How does one get you to teach them in person?
If you want to slow down point the snow board back up hill. so instead of a C turn increase the bottom part on the C. Also you need to align your shoulders with the slope. Heel side edge is good but on your toe side edge you panic and lean back
Yes!
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Did you make the lift stop to finish your vidéo 😀
Of course
Before! You even start to focus on your skill level or how you want to progress. You need to make sure that your boots, board and stance and optimal for your size and the conditions!!
Im going snowboarding tomorrow let's go 🏂
@@derrick2251 you gonna love your trip to Argentina ! I love this country good food beautiful land and the people are very cool ! I’m happy for you man !
id love to see this kind of video for east coast snowboarding if your up for the challenge :D lol
That would be fun! Might have to do an east coast tour next season
@@ShredSchool1 Id Defiantly suggest Whiteface and Killington on the US Side.
Hunter would be cool too
Were those black slopes? I just returned from les Deux Alpes and there it was blue, barely red but as steep as this. Not fun when you’re on your board for the first time in 8 years…
We don't have red here in the states. Is that above blue?
@@ShredSchool1 it is indeed. But even between countries it differs vastly. What is red, almost black in Austria is still blue in France for example. In Germany you’ll be far into black already.
On this note, I need to go sharpen my board xD
I think my main issue at the moment is I do not know what my skill level is at all. Any tips on how to figure that out? This may be a dumb question but I have looked it up and just have issues figuring it out. When I try and sign up for lessons (which I plan to do soon), they always ask me what my skill level is. Some days I ride well and then some days I just lag the confidence.
In my experience it always depends on the resort, the group and the instructor so make a reasonable guess and go from there. Maybe talk to the ski centre and tell them more about what your experience is. When I was starting out the schools were super chill about moving between classes if I felt it was too much/not enough difficulty so don't feel afraid to ask to move group if it's not right for you! I went several years without taking lessons because I didn't think there was much in it for me. I'm now really comfortable on any terrain but I needed more confidence to progress my park riding and with just a few hours of tuition where I asked specifically to focus on this I was hitting medium jumps and stomping rotations - my advice is push yourself because the instructors are there to help you reach that potential and it never hurts to ride with people who have more experience - I find it helps my confidence because I'm stoked to be out with people who are awesome
im 14 and have been snowboarding for 10 years. this is what i struggle with most is traversing double blacks and black diamonds without doing the falling leaf the entire way
His suggestion of quick transitions is gold, but sometimes dropping into a toe side turn on a steep headwall just takes balls . . .
Im on a Kessler
Toe side turns on extremely steep terrain is relatively straightforward, but heel side turns on extremely steep terrain are unreasonably easy to skip out and lose control on. He says to turn control turns from vertical to horizontal, but it’s far easier said than done; and sometimes it’s easier to go down the hill side sliding than to traverse across the hill. Toe edge control is (in my opinion) 10x easier than heel edge control on extremely steep terrain as riders aren’t used to that level of nuance in their riding inputs.
The steeps out here on the east coast are the worst, especially by the end of the day, because it's literally just sheets of ice.
This is very bad advice if you ever want to freeride in control on a real mtn. If you want to slop down a bumped up slope, sure go for it. Counter rotation gets you nowhere and is a horrible habit to form and difficult to break. I think he means you should pivot slip and complete your turn to maintain control in variable terrain
He said to counter rotate when you want to stop only but you’re right you shouldn’t have this bad habit
Just be careful with front foot nose riding over bumps. Keep your weight centered, don't fall over your nose to much
Traverse is your best friend.. then moguls show up and you will wish you learned to ski instead.
How to snowboard down icy, steep terrain
What goggles are those
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Is there a dictionary included to understand all the terminology 😅 otherwise great video just need to translate 🤣
am i the only crazy one here who goes with high speeds with no fear
nah, my missus thought I dont get scared because as I started I just went for it, I was just able to Fall well, and not hurt myself if I messed up, progressed more in a week then she thought was possible.
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Where's the best place to ride in Argentina?
First
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bro. not trying to learn to slow down. trying to go strait and fast
First of all counter-rotating your upper-body is poor technique. You want to keep your upper body quiet and everything happens underneath. You want to lead with your body and let your board follow through much like weaving a bicycle. Counter-rotating on steep terrain will get you in trouble. If you don't want to go fast don't hold out your turns as he is demonstrating. Make shorter rhythmic turns and complete each turn. The end of each turn should be a speed check. And when I say speedcheck it is a short quick check. Don't let this guy teach you bad habits
Sounds like you have the bad habits.
I don't think the counter rotation makes sense on the slopes he demonstrated but the reference to jump turns makes me think it was meant for really steep slopes or couloirs where that is something you want to do if you can't shoot it.
He said to counter rotate when you want to stop which is true 100% but you’re right it shouldn’t be a habit
If you cant tell this is beyond "counter rotation" beginner tips... You shouldnt comment. You either didnt pay attention or you dont know what you're talking about.
@@andrekvam7897 these videos are aimed at beginners though 🥲
bro it aint no steep....
“Going too fast” what is this foreign language
I feel the need... the need for speed
Powdery moguls = lots of connecting jumps. This is wjere you go fast and make big jumps. If you cant do that you shouldnt be on the run.
No one learns staying off runs they shouldn’t be on
Lol, imagine not starting on red and black