This video uses the data from Greg Ellifritz's 10-year stopping power study of real-world gun fights to shed the light of actual data on several common beliefs about handgun calibers including: 22 rifles are the best bug out guns, 45s have the best stopping power, 380s are too small to be effective, 410 guns are gimmicks, and more.
Here is the link to the original data and study by Ellifritz:
www.activeresponsetraining.net...
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Every bullet fired at you is too large. Every bullet you fire at an assailant is too small.
Well said, Pugiron.
You always find what you lost in the last place you look for it.
@@gsp49 Sometimes in the next to last place, ifffffffffffffffffffffffff you look further.
Bravo...
Amen.
It was my understanding that 'bugging out' with a .22 rifle had to do with survival and hunting, not man killing. The advantage was light weight = more rounds of ammo.
Exactly. It’s to hunt small game.
So... The Judge plus R 10/22 and go.
If you are getting in gun fights, you're doing something wrong.
@@jwrosenbury exactly. You want to be the Tarkov ninja scav, not the Chad.
@@michealnelson5179 Not me. I want to be surrounded by people I trust and who trust me. Going it alone works until you sprain an ankle. Having a solid community behind you is the only sane solution to prepping. Pro tip: If you live in a blue state, move to somewhere where you can trust your neighbors.
This is really interesting. Based on testing videos and such I concluded that .380 was serviceable and most are concealable enough easy for daily carry. I'm really impressed that .380 stands up so well in real world use. Its always nice to have real data to corroborate or disprove conclusions.
I suspect the 380 was used at closer ranges or were easier to shoot accurately due to less recoil. Too many variables left out.
@@lazybear236It is an aggregate of real world data. The reason it stands up so effectively isn't important.
Been carrying. 380 for a while and I agree. It's a fantastic round consistently overlooked and underrated. It's just enough for a possible encounter on the street or in a confined area and the small guns still hold a good amount of rounds in comparison to larger micro-compact calibers.
"There's no replacement for shot placement" --- Paul Harrell (I suspect someone else said it first, but I learned it from Paul)
They left out something VERY important, and that is hit/miss. How many times to people miss with pistols? How often do they miss with a shotgun or rifle? They ONLY focused on the hits, not the misses. Shotgun hit percentage is very high. Pistol is very low.
@@n2omike it’s up to you to develop skill. Like anything, it comes with practice and more practice.
No replacement for displacement
@@n2omike I tried fitting a shotgun in my pocket holster but it didn’t work.
@@steviesevieria1868 that’s why you stick it down your pants. Shotgun = best ccw confirmed.
I allways keep a mini gun in the nightstand , it covers all the bases. I just have to remember to put on my slippers before I use it because it's hell wading thru all that hot brass on the floor.
HA HA HA!
Oh ! Don't forget to plug your power cord into the wall outlet! Otherwise you won't have any hot brass on the floor.
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100 rounds per second is always your friend.
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".38, 9mm, .40, 10mm, or .45, they're all quicker than 911" -Sun Tzu, probably
Unless its a Springfield 911
If There's An Afterlife And He Has Educated Himself On Modern Weapons Then He Probably Has Said Something Similar To That. :P
That was a showcase joke.
So is 22 and 380...
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I choose my caliber the same way I choose the platform, what I’m comfortable with. I carried a S&W model 66 .357 magnum as a Detroit police officer and had total confidence in it, when I was finally advised (pressured) into going with an auto loader, I opted for a para ordinance P-14 .45 acp because I was confident in the caliber from my time in the service. A 9mm probably would have been sufficient, but it all boiled down to what I was use to and trusted.
For a police officer the ability of the bullit to penetrate vehicles is also more important than for the general public carrying guns for self defense. I think that was the main idea with the .357 Magnum in the first place.
I got a Glock 21 in .45 ACP not because .45 is any better, but because the size of the pistol felt reassuring. I also have an AR15 that's a civilian-legal version of my old M4. That platform is familiar to me, and I know for a fact that it'll get the job done, even if the attacker has body armor. However, if I could have no other firearm, I'd take my old Winchester 1300 Defender. While buckshot or even slugs won't defeat body armor per se, slugs will pulverize whatever they hit, most likely killing the target, or at least stopping him.
@@Octopussyist .357 is one hell of a round. Its statistics are about the only caliber that surprised me; I really thought it would be more effective. 125-grain hollow points do horrendous damage. I shot rabbits with both .44 Magnum and .357 Magnum in Alaska. The .44 just made a .42-inch (look it up, .44 Magnum is actually .42 inches) hole through the head while the .357 Magnum reduced the head to mush.
@@thatguy22441 Marshall Sanow stats agree, 125 gr 357 can't be beat, one shot stops. Certain 9 sig loads same. Anything in the 90's percentile.
@@thatguy22441 it depends on the type of ammo. 125 Grain .357 Mag Or us it's 'brother' the .357 SIG Which was designed to copy the .357 mag's power in automatic pistols are the best for day to day carry for revolvers and pistols. The 240-grain .44 mag hollow point will only show it's stoping power once it is unleashed when something dangerous charges at you. For 'normal' situations .357 mag or/SIG is perfect. But if you need that little inch of extra power or you you just want to be on the safe side when a bear attacks that you will be able to stop it .44 is the deal.
Worth pointing out that a rifle has a much longer engagement distance too. That could easily make the difference between winning and losing a fire fight and, IMO, makes up for the increased weight. Not to mention how much better it is for hunting.
i dont think that hunting maters in personal defence and you ar mostlikly on close dictences for sellf difense if you end up in a distenc gun fir r fight you are extremly unlaky or in th wrong place.
@@jannis8978 much easier to aim a rifle at pretty much any range, velocity doesn’t matter at close range but handling does, and you can aim a rifle much better at any distance than a handgun
@@1ch0r41 Unless you live within 200 yards of anyone. Use your brain or turn it in. There's a line for responsible gun owners and you're not eligible. Yes rifles are easier to handle, collateral damage is not.
"missing" is the missing factor here. Rifles are easier to aim. Also a smaller pistol round should be easier to hit shot 2 & up. Another point for .380 perhaps. Definitely a point for "use a rifle if you can. Use the pistol in a self-def caliber you're good with if you can't."
@@eb4305 Prepper channel though Erok. Your point is suited better for a general self-defense channel. Hopefully anyone reading is sensible enough to leave the 5.56 in the gun safe in the middle o town.
357 mag is my favorite cartridge, but I find myself carrying my Taurus tcp 380 more often than not because of convenience. It’s always good to see data backing in up
I just saw the video and had one major complaint about the bug out situation, the reason most want the .22 is because you can carry a lot more ammo than the others and you would not have it to kill attackers but the kill small game for food without drawing much attention to yourself with louder ammo types. To bug out is to move and evade, not fight a war. Most would still have a good pistol for protection from attackers but the .22 rifle is the best for quiet shooting, especially with a silencer, for food.
I was a police officer in the early to middle 80's. Our dept. weapon was the S&W 66. At that time very few depts. allowed the use of semi-autos. Our dept. did a lot of study on the 357. It was the choice caliber for a lot of depts. At longer distances, the 357 excelled statistically. The problem was , at point blank range where 85 % of police shootings occured, the 357 had a tendency to pass though an assailant . The 357 just didn't mushroom enough because of the high velocity. Our dept. settled on a 158 gr. 38 +p, semi-jacketed hp. This round was perfectly capable of penetrating auto windshields and seemed to have good ability to stop a threat at close range. I did carry 357 ammo as backup and never felt under gunned.
Speed is what helps expansion bullet construction was probably the reason
@@jorgesolis9468 The speed overcame the bullet expansion surface area
@@rodvan-zeller6360 depends on what bullets were shot like the ole fashion 125 gr at 1450 fps sjhp fragment and expand violently on impact i dont use those for backup hog guns because they tend to not penetrate enough but 158 gr tends to hold more weight and if it's a spicy one 158 at 1400 fps then although it's going fast it retains enough weight to punch through I'm not sure what they issued yall but that is just what I've seen on pigs in texas
@@jorgesolis9468 Thank you for the reply. Agreed we have unknown variables
@@rodvan-zeller6360 for example 75 gr 5.56 compared to 45 gr 5.56 75 gr is actually used for hog hunting and probably the best option where as 45 gr basically falls apart on impact barely penetrating as much as 9mm speed paired with lighter weight bullets means less penetration unless its it's a bullet not made to expand like hardcast solid copper etc
l was a law enforcement officer for 35 years in California. last 12 years was a Coroner's Detective. Also, sniper, rangemaster, and firearm instructor. l always said all you need is one well placed bullet.
A Austin Texas PD 👮🏻♂️ Sgt took out a armed attacker near a 🏥 with his PD issue .40S&W. He fired the M&P pistol at recorded range of 104 yards! 😯 That was impressive. Years ago, a USAF security police shot a felon with a AK rifle. The enlisted SP used a 9mm M9, 89 yards. ✔
Yeah, I got aim small miss small as a kid rammed home, way before Gibson was even in movies.
It wasn't discussed but maybe there's maximum accuracy from 0.380 ACP to 9mm. That might explain success.
All good in theory, but hitting well in a firefight isn't as easy as hitting at the range.
@@meat-hook True, but keep in mind most gun fights occur in less than 20 feet. That's according to FBI statistics. Even more so, many occur at 10 feet or less. If you cannot put holes in an 8-1/2 X 11 piece paper consistently at the range, at 20 feet or less, then you will definitely have problems in the real world.
My choice just has to be the 357 magnum. Dual purpose, Light bullets for PSD, heavy bullets for Hunting. Handloading really brings out the best for the 357 mag. 2nd reason, all 38sp ammo can be used. Third plus, a Revolver and Rifle same ammo. With handloading you can tailor the ammo for its purpose. Separate Loadings for the revolver, 4in barrel and rifle with a 22in barrel. Velocity increase with pistol ammo loadings using the 22in rifle is between 250-700 fps increase. Example, 125gn XTP bullet loaded to 1150 fps for the 4in pistol, same round in the 22in rifle 1700 fps. Turns groundhogs inside out. No matter what you have in your hand it's still Bullet Placement, Bullet Placement, Bullet Placement. If you can't hit within 1 inch of your point of aim, then get to the range and PRACTICE. With my 22s, bolt, auto rifles and a revolver, I'll never go hungry. Tons of fun to shoot, lots of ammo in a tiny space. When needed to, Step it up a notch, I reach for my 357s, Rifle, 3x9x40 scope and Revolver with Target Sights, I handload both. Factory 357 ammo is about $1.00 + per round, with handloading my ammo costs for the 357, LHCSWC bullets .23 cents per round, for the XTP bullet, .43 cents per round. Versatility is the keyword here. The 357 fits this. My handgun caliber of choice. Handgun and Rifle tough to beat.
I can remember loading a box of 50 .44 mag rounds for about $2 (cast bullets, probably $3.50 for jacketed). Damn times have changed!
A .22 is probably considered a good bug out gun for survival because it's light, the ammo (was) cheap and plentiful, and is very effective at hunting small game, "Bugging out" doesn't necessarily mean you're looking for a defensive firearm.
Then enjoy getting smoked by bandits and looters
Even better with a suppressor
Is nobody sees you sure. If you have to meet people, having a open rifle means your a possible threat. Also moving around a rifle is extremely annoying. Take in mind a 22lr shot from a 16inch barrle cci ammo has the same kenetic energy of a 32acp shot from a 3inch barrel. If your hunting small game ditch the 22 and take the .32 mouse gun, you can carry more ammo even if the 32 ammo is a bit heavier because the gun loaded weights 16 ounces. The 22 rifle weights 64 ounces (4lb). Convert 3lb of rifle weight to 32ammo and if you set out 8lb for ammo and gun, you actually have more rounds of 32acp than 22lr buy having 3lb more ammo. In pretty much no way is a 22lr from a rifle better than a 32acp in mouse gun that like a tomcat. Even for distance at 25 yards, which is meaningless. A 32acp is more accurate from the handgun than rifle 22lr since 22lr has too much inconsistencies in velocity and so light wind pushes .
Doesnt do any good if it jams.
Basically what I have been saying for years in regards as to the best man stopping round. I wouldn’t want to get hit by any of them.
What about cost per round? I can get a 100rd box of 9mm for $36 a Bass Pro. It makes training a lot cheaper. The more you train the better your accuracy. If it's cost prohibitive to train the less training you can do.
"Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns, at the right range with the right load, will physically remove a chunk of sh*t off of your opponent and throw that sh*t on the floor." -Clint Smith
12gauge 3inch magnum slugs make for a bad day even if you have body armor
@@danieljonhson6367 trauma pads.
Also I only recommend plate carriers and 4+ level plates but that's just me.
@@daltongarrett7117 Shoot again and again , and they fall down due to massive trauma
@@GabrielAlves-fw7bj only if you hit them in the right place. And then only if their not high outta their minds on something like pcp. Then you had better have that shotgun handy.
Not being an Expert by any means, but i recall reading about Stopping Power many years ago and remember one thing about it and that is Bullet Speed when hitting the Target was much more a factor than Caliber size. That correlates to this Videos finding of Long Guns vs Pistols. Than there’s still the configuration of the Bullet itself . Overall a very informative video!
Some thing not discussed for bug-out options was the availability of certain types of rounds/cartridges. 9mm, 223/5.56, 38 special/357, 7.62x39 and 12ga are most likely going to widely available. At least for a while..
If we learned anything from covid, it's that no caliber will be available anywhere in a real time of crisis. If SHTF, what you got stocked up is all you're gonna have.
Let's face facts. That argument with be fought till the end of time. The only hard truth is this, Any gun regardless of caliber is far better than NO GUN !!!
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Fax no 📠
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Funny how more information can make a decision harder rather than easier. So you’re saying buy all of them, right?
Yes
And a samurai sword Just in case every thing else fails .
Buy whatever suits you best. If you like a particular platform but you're stuck between deciding on caliber, go with the most abundant caliber. The rounds will be more readily available and probably less expensive.
Or perhaps a better pair of running shoes.
Guns are a waste of time. Save your money and just get a rocket launcher.
Thank you. The information was a lot to digest and put into a video format. You did a great job at it. The take away here is know your sidearm and know your own capabilities as practice makes the difference as well as knowing when to just get out of harms way first.
The Ellifritz study is the best information available on this subject.
While I agree with some points such as staying away from smaller calibers (though I would argue just stay away from rimfire due to lack of reliability for self-defense), there is a lot of misinformation and misleadingness within this video. The narrator throws data quickly. He argues that long guns have the advantage and later says "there's only a 5 point difference". He also says that there wasn't enough data for the 32 ACP but then later in the video suggests avoiding it. Then, he completely turns around and ASSUMES that a .410 shotshell out of a revolver has half the energy of a 12 gauge shotgun. The problem with this assumption is that the smaller barrel of a gun like the Judge doesn't allow for complete powder burn like a traditional long-barrel shotgun the shell was intended for. This means that the .410 shotshell loses a lot of power due to incomplete powder burn. Also, guns such as the Judge are rifled, causing the shot to spread more at closer ranges. This is fine within a couple of yards, however, the accuracy is absolutely shit beyond that and the probability of hitting drastically decreases as distance increases. In short, your assumption is absolutely baseless with zero evidence and (I suspect) no real consideration. In this dude's other video, he completely shits on the AR-15 platform and the 5.56 round, stating that it's ineffective, which is patently false. Anyone looking at this channel's videos for firearm knowledge would do well to look almost anywhere but this channel. It's rife with bias, logical fallacies, misleading information, and general fudd bullshit.
Pretty much. Any good points he brings up get over shadow by his leaps in logic and false equivalence. Hell even in this video he puts all .22 in the same category even though there is a significant difference between the power of a .22 short and a .22 long rifle and a significant difference between the power that .22 Long rifle will have out of a small handgun and out of a full sized rifle. A big over generalization.
This video is both very misleading and very popular. I wish Greg Ellifritz would just call out this channel for what it is. The .454 Casuul conclusion is ridiculous too.
I'm 70 and 60 years ago, my Grandfather told me, "Boy (he called me boy), I'd rather be chased by an amateur with a Tommy gun than an expert with a .22". Since my Paw Paw was the smartest, wisest man that I've ever heard of, I believe him. He trained me to hit what I aim at and I do OK. I have a 9mm and .357 Smith, but I carry a Ruger SR22 for protection. Personally, I think my chances are pretty good, as I train @ 15 meters, double taps, with either hand. Shoot what you can and be pretty good at it.
Good on ya old-timer. lol
I love my SR 22 carry it a lot.
22 if you can aim is the best
I would not tote a .22mag or .22LR pistol. You need to be at a CQB range to really have any impact, add that you need to fire 3-4 times. 💥 A thug or crook on drugs may not drop either. I say the 9mm +P is ✔. As is the 165gr JHP 🚔 .40 or a 10mm. Min for a CCW or 2nd gun is a .380acp or .38spl +P. No 🐁 guns!
@@DavidLLambertmobile Of course, depends on whether you can hit anything. At 15 yards, if you cannot put 2, in one second, into a 3 inch circle, you'd better stay home. And yes, a .22lr in the head or heart will drop anyone, anywhere, and they are somewhat larger than 3 inches. BTW, until 1984 the most common murder weapon was a .22lr. Today it is third or fourth, depending on survey.
use the one that you know how to use correctly and accurately. That's the one that will work best for you.
Great video - going to throw this out there for bugout: pellet rife (like Lewis & Clark used) so that you can hunt small game without attracting extra attention from gunpower bullet noise. Ammo is much lighter as well. Just an observation.
If I have to live off rabbits that I shoot, then I’m m dead anyway. I carry a pocket LCRx for self-defense. That’s my only weapons need.
Another thing to note, something with a pellet velocity you can adjust (raise, ideally to bag larger game) works great for this concept. The crossman variable pumps are a great, small and modifiable option
Don’t depend on a one shot stop. Ever! Keep shooting till the assailant goes down and does not get up. And when they go down, make sure they’re really down. Don’t take your eye of of them or turn your back on them. You take your attention off of them and a “dead” person will still be alive enough to shoot you while they’re on the ground.
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Yeah except in the cases where there's more than one assailant! Now you're in trouble
Many years ago I saw an interesting quote from a special forces guy who had "been there--done that"--"No enemy is dead until his head is separated from his body more than 10 feet"
anybody worth shooting is worth shooting twice.. or more. When your life is in danger don't cheep out. Use it all.
Stabbed in the back with a Bowie knife 32 times....suicide not ruled out 😝😝😝😝
Excellent content! Thank you for your time in sharing it!
Props to the .380 acp...doing the same work as the big boys...
The narrator could have easily been in fallout new vegas
Ballistics. Ballistics never changes.
new Vegas
@@iDatedMyPizza Try the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. mods on the Nexus for Fallout. Better than both.
@@FallingHelium lolol you guys are funny my friends!😎
Or red dead redemption
When I was studying martial arts as a teenager I noticed that my instructor, who occasionally worked as a VIP bodyguard, was carrying a pistol under his jacket. Me being a smartass 16 year old asked him why he needed it if he was such a badass. He said "I have trained and competed at a very high level for over two decades. Hand to hand I could probably beat 99% of the people I ever encounter. But I would lose 100% of the time against a gun." Zen moment of pure enlightenment achieved...thank you Sensei!
Very well said, thank you.
Smart man
It is said that even Bruce Lee himself carried a 38 Special.
Was your sensei the late Charlie P. Contrares who passed away in August 2007 from Phoenix Arizona ? He concealed carried a .380.
I took a class with a "high speed" K security instructor who, by practice toted his pistol, loaded mag empty barrel 🤔. What some armed officers call Condition lll. He stated the reason was to not have any loaded guns near the "principle"(client). I myself disagree with this logic but the EP, security world is full of hammer head nitwits & head cases. 🙄
I really appreciate your deep-dive analytical approach, so I just subscribed. Thank you.
Awesome video, info, voice and soundrack. Thank you! Subscribed imediately.
Awesome presentation. Thank you for your work on this project. Great!
What I've learned from this is that 1) Shot placement is everything 2) Therefore training shot placement is everything 3) You should choose a caliber that is cheap enough to train lots with so your shot placement is on point 4) You should choose a caliber that makes shot placement as easy as possible 5) You should choose a caliber that offers high mag capacity in case you need more shots for effective shot placement 6) .45 only dropped people on the first shot 5% more often than 9mm 7) You should choose 9mm.
And my argument against the .45 vs. the 9mm is. Find me a .45 handgun that holds 17-20 rounds in the magazine? 9mm ammo is cheaper so you can practice more...less recoil means better follow up shots if needed...the advantages of the 9mm over the .45 are almost endless. All for an almost insignificant difference in stopping power.
Yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head
Well said my friend
Carry a 9mm and 357.
I have a 9mm
In the early 1900s General Pershing was in the Phillipines putting down an inserection he noted that the standard .38 would not stop a charging enemy. He called for a trial of the new browning 1911semiauto in .45acp. He found the 45 had more stopping power, for the next 75 years that was the standard issue for all military services and is still used by many units now
my thick sexy .45 appreciates the flattery 😍
I understand the bad guys in the Philippines were hopped up on drugs so it took a very powerful weapon to stop them.
Even a well worn 1911 has a good trigger. This enables better shot placement. This is much more important than the slug you're throwing.
The 45 is obsolete. I know many don’t want to hear that but it’s the plain truth.
These were often against drugged up attackers.
I love the comment, that he felt like the 9MM would have been more effective if it had used hollow points. Hell, you could say that about any of the calibers, but the 38 Special would probably have benefited the most since so many shootings using the 38 used the old round nose, 158 grain bullets that so many owners of these guns bought back when they bought the gun, and still have half a box or more left.
Hands down best video I've seen In a long time, great job 👍
really good job talking about issues of "statistical significance" in a way that the lay person should be able to understand. Also really good ways to help us see what stats might be biased throughout the video as well. I may use the beginning of this video as an example in my Research Methods class!
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing this info.
That was an interesting analysis. Thank you for the content.
Great data, This really makes me feel better about mostly only carrying my pocket 380, even though I have a few 9mm carry pistols. For my job I often have to leave my pistol in my vehicle, this is much more practical than dealing with a hip holster.
This isn’t real data. It’s anecdotes.
@@rifleshooterchannel208it's data points that were compiled after looking at a ton of shootings to see how lethal the calibers are. what do you mean it's anecdotal? Lol
@@kalebporter1529 It’s not real data, there’s no proof of the those actual shootings happening nor is there any basis for scientific comparison even if they _did_ happen. Therefore, _anecdotal._
@@rifleshooterchannel208lol ok bro. What should we be looking at instead?
@@schm147 Tests in properly calibrated ballistics gel and seeing if your chosen caliber and bullet combo meets FBI specifications for handgun wounding effectiveness.
Excellent video! Thank you so much for the proper breakdown, most videos don’t compare as well as you did even though you had a report to go on I believe most videos should be with search visual aids as you have… Thank you so much for the videos, cheers!
cool graphics and presentation. Thank you.
What a great review, well done.
Very well presented video, one of the best I've seen on this subject. When I'm talking about self defense with a new shooter, I've always advised them to pick the largest caliber they are comfortable shooting, glad to see your video backs that up. Thank you sir.
What about cost per round? I can get a 100rd box of 9mm for $36 a Bass Pro. It makes training a lot cheaper. The more you train the better your accuracy. If it's cost prohibitive to train the less training you can do.
And even then, with the same caliber, some handguns are definitely more painful to shoot than others. Try as many as possible from friends or at a range before plunking down the cash.
Thank you. Finally a presentation worth utilzing.
Amazing work. I loved it.
Excellent Video, Thank for Posting.
THAT WAS FANTASTIC !...THANK YOU FOR THIS DATA
This is the best gun comedy channel on KZhead. I'm going to subscribe!
"attacker stops when a bullet hits anywhere on their body". Hell yes!
This is accurate " play on words" but very reliable information. Growing up I can recall some very bad things that 22 did and I've seen what 12 gages do double O's are very nasty . In the streets our encounters are mostly up close especially when you're on the wrong side of the law but that was back in the 90's during the tech 9 era
This is my go-to reference for stopping-power discussions.
I did years of culling goats with a .22LR Rifle. A head shot, [a line from eye to ear] and out to 100 metres and the goat dropped very time! I'd bet a bad guy would suffer the same fate. The shot placement you can get with the .22LR is a force multiplier! Hopelessly under-rated round! Have a look at some penetration tests at 300 metres - it will surprise you.
goat stand still at close range and not shoot back man not so much it fails to stop 1/3 of the attackers watch the video
@@rumski2926your pfp is fitting
@@bigpaint3337 you’re holding up your iq in your pfp or is that how high you can count lmao 😂
Great video. I have always loved the way statistics speak and re-establish the truth for literally everything.
Meh, depends on how the statistics are presented. They lend themselves to overt manipulation.
Eye opening information!! Thank you !
Was already using Fort Scott Munitions TUI solid copper ammo by 2018. a real game changer.
outstanding review
Very good video. It gives a lot of food for thought.
Very good video. A few of the important points you didn’t discuss that were covered in the FBI caliber study were the ability to carry more ammunition with smaller calibers like 9mm, and how much easier it is to control rapid shot placement with smaller calibers. Statistically most gunfights are over in just a few shots, so I’d weight accurate shot placement as more important. As other commenters mentioned, you also ignored the range advantage for rifles. I always have my handgun on me, but if I had the time to go home and get my rifle, I’d definitely bring that with me when I bug out.
Its just my thought , but the best gun to have is the one you have when you need it .
Well, the one you have is the one you buy, so you still have to sift through the information and make a decision. Unless you want to walk into a gun shop and close your eyes and "eenie meenie miney moe" to select your firearm.
Some people will say you must carry a full size 45acp, or full size 9mm. Anything smaller is terrible for self defense. However, on hot summer days, they leave their powerful guns at home, because they are wearing shorts, and a t-shirt. I carry my tiny snub nose 38spl in my pocket all the time everywhere I go. Yes, Everywhere!! Simply- The little gun in my pocket protects better than than the big, powerful handgun in the safe.
@ Spencer Boaz best by default not by merit. tho shooting the bad guy with a 22 might only piss him off so he decides to kill you instead of just rob you
@@boedude8496 Or, he might decide to seek medical attention...100 percent of the rounds that hit an eye will end sight in that eye.
@@DonMeaker if you are fortunate enough to make that shot. if it were that easy then special forces and leos would be using 22s
I love my LCP max .380 and have become quite proficient with it. It’s no 10mm but when I’m stuck pumping gas at an ungodly hour, it is a good feeling having it in my pocket instead of a pack of double mint gum.
Studies show most firearms outperform doublemint gum.
@@MP-tf7cc Have you tried sticking a firearm under a school desk?
What it feels like to chew 5 bullets ☠️
It's no 10mm 😂 got that right hell it ain't even a .38 Special
@@sartec6292 I'm sure some people have
Finally going for the Taurus Raging Judge. If the. Apocalypse comes and I can only have one gun, THATS the gun I want to have. I even machined all the 45 caliber conversion sleeves that I want for it. Great video!
It's amazing how well my 380 edc did in the study. Magnum Research has several big rifle calibers. One that comes to mind first is the 30-30. They also have 444 Marlin, 45-70, 44-40, 45 long Colt and several other sizes. The down side is the power. To big for killing squirrel and rabbit. Why not a 357 lever action like Henry that can shoot 38 special also. Everything meets the one goal. Lots of practice and a top quality gun in one package.
I own a 454 Casull, that thing is sick!
Thumbs up for content. Thumbs neutral for narration. This guy speaks like he's a respected and feared gunslinger from the Old West conversing with an adversary in a saloon during a high-stakes poker game. I imagined him talking like this in his daily life just for grins and giggles, with all the varying modern circumstances a man can get entangled with, and started laughing my head off. SNL should write a comedy bit covering this and maybe they have but I have never seen it. "It's gold Jerry! Gold!" Cheers
Excellent info - thanks!
Great comparisons. Thanks!
Very informative. Thanks.
I love your voice and delivery man 👍
Great study! Great charts!
Your analysis makes good sense.
The optimistic rating to the .410 revolver ignores the greatly reduced velocity of short barrel revolvers versus a real buckshot load from a real shotgun. Each pellet from the revolver will carry barely one third the energy of the same pellet from a 12 gauge. Also, the revolvers tend to scatter their pellets wildly so that even at 10 paces some pellets will entirely miss the target whereas a real shotgun would blast a 6 inch cluster of devastation. There really is no basis of comparison, a Wingmaster is a deadly weapon, a Judge is a joke.
The Taurus Raging Bull isnt a joke Gives you the option of 45 Long Colt, 454 or 410 If you think 410 out of a Revolver is a joke, why don't you volunteer to be shot by one
A 410 with #4 buckshot at close range is no joke!
@@EricTheActor805 wonder about a choke on a Governor or a judge for the 000. .410...
@@EricTheActor805 it's really horrible. The pellets fly eveywhere and have no velocity. It operates on video game physics
Try watching the bolo round penetration videos.3" Judge shoots through 3/4 inch plywood and 2 shed walls behind it. If that's a joke you must think nothing short of a Abrams tank to be sufficient.
Great video. Great advice.
Well written and presented!
As a Navy Corpsman during Vietnam I treated 100's of gun shot wounds of various calibers . Some interesting data exist on the damage done obtained by scientific methods widely available on the internet . I disagree with several points the author of this video makes .Personally I carry a .44 magnum with alternating rounds of snake shot and hollow point rounds . However many reasons can affect a persons selection of certain calipers . Carrying 50 rounds of shotgun shells can be a real burden . The U.S. Military list a .22 rifle that has a barrel that unscrews and stores inside of the stock onboard most of its helicopters and other aircraft as well . I find the wisdom behind this selection to be a major contribution to any bug out bag .
Snakeshot? Just a waste of ammo.
It isn't the muzzle energy that makes the rifles more effective, it is the velocity of the projectile. You can find .44 Magnum loads with energy comparable to a 5.56mm rifle, but the 5.56mm rifle is more effective despite having a much smaller projectile because it has the velocity to create a stretch cavity. Projectiles impacting below 2000 to 2200 fps typically will not create this stretch cavity because tissue is elastic enough to absorb the energy, stretch, and return to normal with little or no permanent damage. Thus, only the permanent crush cavity created by tissue actually physically displaced by the projectile matters with handguns and shotguns. Rifle projectiles typically travel 2 to 3x as fast as handgun rounds and at these velocities, tissue can not displace far or fast enough, so it stretches and tears, often for several inches away from the path of the bullet. We saw a small .22 caliber high velocity rifle round vaporize someone's bicep in Kenosa. No handgun round would do that. Handgun rounds look like someone got stabbed by a piece of rebar. Ask any hunter who uses a high velocity rifle cartridge, and they can attest that the damage even a relatively small bullet can do at 2.5x the speed of sound is catastrophic and orders of magnitude above that of any standard defensive handgun round. This is why the failure rate and one shot stop rate is so much higher for rifles than handguns. Velocity relative to projectile diameter and not energy is also why rifle rounds can penetrate body armor more effectively. When it comes to rifles, speed kills. There is nothing you can load in your .45 or your .357 Magnum that will do half as much tissue damage as the lowly 5.56mm rifle.
Why do I now want to listen to Ellifritz Gerald recordings?
I really like the presentation and narration. I believe 12ga slugs have significantly more velocity and will penetrate body armor. Just as an option. I run birdshot, buckshot, slug slug slug slug for home defense.
12 Gauge Slugs have been proven to be stopped by 3A soft body armor, but it still ends up killing the person because the amount of blunt force trauma cracks ribs and causes significant internal trauma and internal bleeding.
@@JesusChrist-xk9eeThat's basically the same as "being hit by a baseball bat does not cut you in half, but that doesn't mean you want to be hit by one"
Damn excellent video, thank you so much.
Choose the most powerful gun that you can handle comfortably. Go to the range and practice, practice and practice. If you are fighting for your life, do not shoot to stop, shoot to kill. A neck shot or head shot with a smaller bullet is better than a body shot with a magnum round for two reasons: first, the neck is part of the spine, contains the trachea and four major blood vessels in a small space and a solid hit wll incapacitate very quickly if not kill the opponent instantly; the head contains the brain, any shot that penetrates the skull will likely kill, any shot that does not will still cause a substantial concussive effect. Second, a overly powerful round, especially if it is a full metal jacket, may pass through the target and hit someone else without causing sufficient damage to the target to stop him immediately. I agree that the 'mouse' cartridges are a risky proposition unless you are good enough to put your first and only shot through your opponent's eye and into his brain. Whatever cartridge you choose, the one shot stop is the Holy grail achievable only by the best combat experienced shooters. As I stated above, if you are fighting for your life, keep shooting until the target goes down, because if you don't, he will most certainly not hesitate to do the same to you.
The weapon you will and learn to use is the best. I've always admired the 45 acp. Physically big,but high capacity. It is easy to put all rounds into a torso target at 7 / 10 yds. I was trained to shoot until the threat is compromised. Granted a torso target doesnt shoot back. Unfortunately that portion is not easy to practice. Shortage of volunteers.
Excellent video, thanks
Very interesting data: thanks for the upload. There are a few important things to note, however. Velocity defeats body armor, not muzzle energy. Also, as you noted yourself (1:24), the data on .22 didn't specify whether .22 Short, .22 Long, or .22 Long Rifle was used. There is a significant difference between .22. Short and .22 Long Rifle. More importantly: did the data also not specify whether the .22 used was fired from pistols or rifles? If so, data for .22 Long Rifle, when fired from rifles only, may be significantly different than the .22 data referenced here.
muzzle energy defeats body armor in the form of blunt force trauma and back face deformation. NIJ will fail body armor that has excessive backface deformation.
Very well done sir.
Real interesting info - thanks.
OUTSTANDING video.
I have a lot of faith in my ruger single six as a survival gun. 22magnum is under-rated and the long rifle cylinder is great for small game. I feel like a model 66 or 19 is a viable option as is my bhp. I have a fair stand off capability with a 6 inch model 19. I may not be able to hit you consistently at 100 yards, but I will keep your head down.
I've always liked the KelTec PMR30 .22 Mag Pistol with a 30 rd magazine! Don't know why people crap on it, I've found it easy to shoot and accurate. Maybe it has something to do with loading the 30 rd clip?
I thought 9mm was great because it was popular and widely available. Then we had an ammo shortage and the 9mm was gone instantly. Suddenly I was looking at boxes and boxes of 10mm and 357 Sig and empty shelves where the 9 and 40 were supposed to be.
I love me some ten milli. .40 is my second choice except when I want to buy a lot. I can usually only find 2 to 4 boxes od 10 at any shop around my place.
These charts ultimately reveal once again, that the magnum revolver handguns are like a rifle in a handgun. The greatly increased preassure loads reveals a clear sign of a dangerous increase of lethal regards to a single shot verse all the lower preassure variants. So revolvers with better accuracy and realiability on top of this indicate for the best self defence weapons. Therefore it is no surprise that the same amount of energy used to project a heavier object still generates similar effects to a lighter object. That was projected by the same level of energy when applied at their effective ranges and angles.
I'm not sure what you're going on about. Magnum calibers are typically slinging similar weight bullets faster when of a similar bullet diameter. .357 magnum, .38 special and 9mm all fire bullets within the same weight range, 125 grains is the standard for .357 and .38 while 124 grains is the standard for 9mm. The only difference is that .357 is launching the bullet about 300 feet per second faster than 9mm and about 500 feet per second faster than the .38.
It's true. A larger projectile will do more damage than a smaller projectile moving at the same velocity. The goal of self-defense is to end the threat, and that happens when the attacker decides to disengage or is unable to continue. The defender should always aim for center mass, but I believe that most attackers solidly hit with any caliber in the hand, arm, leg, foot, or any "non-lethal" area of the body would realistically experience some degree of incapacitation that would hinder their ability and/or desire to continue. I believe that most attackers who have been shot would choose to disengage, stop the pain and bleeding, and immediately seek medical attention rather than risk being shot again. Most attackers. Not all attackers. Most of the time. Not all of the time. I conclude that it is fair and accurate to say that small-caliber weapons can effectively end a threat a significant percentage of the time in a significant percentage of those situations that would justify the use of a firearm. Of course, a larger-caliber weapon that can be fired accurately and quickly, carried comfortably, and concealed easily would be a better choice.
Best caliber is the one you can hit the target with.
No shit Sherlock, but that doesn't answer the question
@@wesidk5662 it does 🤦
And hit target consistently accurately
@@wesidk5662 answers it perfectly. If they’re all decently equal but you can’t hit the right side of a barn with a .45 then it makes no difference if it’s superior since you can’t hit a dmn thing with it anyways
This is the first video I've seen to even mention 410, and now you tell me it's the best handgun cartridge ever. I'm still not drunk enough to buy one, but maybe one day I'll get one.
In the 80’s , Marshal Evans did a very similar study , and wrote a book, Handgun stopping power;based on one shot shootings, his number one stopping caliber came out to .357?
Thanks. Good information
Very informative. However, I would add the increased accuracy over larger ranges needs to be considered regarding long rifles, even if bugging out on foot. Above all, training and practice will improve your chances; being unfit is not an option, because at the end of the day, boots size 9 (like everyone else) is your last chance to bug out. Any British armed service person will know the joys of a TAB or YOMP, i.e. the gentle stroll to war at the speed of a startled gazelle
Finally, someone with smarts!!!! You always hear which caliber is better. Gun of all types either puts you in the grave or hospital. Some more than others, but at the end, mission is complete most likely.
I know a thing or two about ballistics and bullet performance in the real world. It's like "where the rubber meets the road".......except, for me, "where the bullet hits the bone" Very interesting video. I don't agree with everything you said, but damn nice job on an amazingly complex subject.
The .22LR is used in a bugout to get you food via small game, not defense.
@John Doe bugout does not mean you will be the only human trying to stay alive. you will most definitely encounter others, some friendly some not. if you have other weapons then a 22 will nicely fill a niche. if you have only one then, as the voice stated, a 22 would be foolish.
If someone breaks in my house I have 40 grain high velocity hollow points for them! I for sure wouldn’t want to get shot by a 22. Al though I would prefer a 10mm to defend my life!
@@boedude8496 A) In a bugout situation you likely won't be able to carry an arsenal with you. Your priorities should be one or maybe two handguns that are light and reliable, that you are proficient with. B) In a bugout situation your priority should be to avoid conflict wherever possible. Daydreams about fighting off post-apocalyptic biker gangs are just that - daydreams. Regardless of the firearm you're carrying, getting into a scuffle with groups of potentially armed people is a sure way to get yourself killed. C) .22lr might not be ideal but it's certainly adequate for defending yourself. I've seen people empty ten round magazines from a 10/22 in two seconds while staying on target. It has its pros and cons like any other caliber, but it gets the job done. In short, if you have no choice but to bugout and all you've got is your little .22 rifle, then you should be all good unless you plan to be getting into firefights. Someone comes at you to get your stuff, and you put five rounds into him in a second, I don't think he'll be coming at you any more. If it will bring down a pig, it will bring down a human.
@@orionslaver432 1) most likely if i am bugging out then a million others in my area will be too. it will be virtually impossible to avoid others, especially in the first weeks. 2) why am i bugging out? most everything in your plan depends on where you live, where you are going, and why. here we have one direction to go to get away, and that is to the mountains. vast area but takes a while for multiple millions to spread out. not all will be armed but a large % is and its growing. obviously avoiding shootouts is in everyone's best interest. if its a shtf situation then most will be quick to be confrontational. if not, great. 3) biker or inner city gangs are not on my list of things to fear in the immediate future. ive never had dreams of wars with them and i don't play video games. the mountains are full of predators aside from people. wolves and bear cats and coyotes etc are very numerous and will notice the invasion and be quick defend their young and territory. the chances of needing a higher power weapon is quite high. 4) a bugout bag is not empty sitting in my closet waiting to be filled with whatever i happen to have handy at the time. it is a 'bag' that already contains the weapons and ammo and items needed to get me bare bones thru the immediate situation and near future. if the only rifle i have is a 22 then of course it would be in the bag. since i have (imho) better options it is not. if i could bring it additionally i would, but not at the expense of something better. in ideal circumstances a 22 can take down various animals but only a fool prepares for ideal circumstances. bring whatever you want. not my place to tell you different. i will be prepared for needing more and be happy if it is never necessary
@ haha now that's funny ☺