Baffles me that people spoil video games like hollow knight for themselves
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1. The discord giveaway is over! The song was サニーボーイ・ラプソディ (Sonny boy Rhapsody), congrats to the winner! 2. Blurred certain sections because I'm an idiot and spoiled them while saying you should play them without spoilers.
What if they just shazamed it
@@owen551 He was talking over the song so I don't think they could have done that
damn already????
Glad someone else won tbh would’ve been left blue balled since it’s a good ass song
thats such a banger nice pick
Remember when the Hollow Knight community all simultaneously agreed that sacrificing Mossbag was the only way to appease Team Cherry and make them release Silksong? Those were some funny times
and the piss wars. no i will not elaborate for the sake of my own sanity
@@therookiegamer2727 lots of good men died in those days
@@therookiegamer2727 I’d ask wtf happened in the piss wars but It almost sounds like I don’t wanna know
@@djroscurro9859 me neither...
We didnt forget. Just workin on the plan to kill him
Gaming subreddits could be a great place to study mass hysteria
key word there, subreddit
Arguements*
Dawg theyre just meming, what? Why are people acting like theyre psychotic for joking around
titanfall subreddit
@@smokepeashooter3859 Argugrugement
the irony of ushering people who haven't been spoiled on those select games to play them and THEN SPOILING ACT 2 OF DDLC SECONDS LATER is crazy
Not at all a spoiler. I have no clue what I saw.
Every time I look up something in a video game, I end up upset at myself for spoiling myself from figuring it out blind and I've ruined my experience. Every time I stick to it until I solve it on my own, I end up upset at myself for not caving and looking it up sooner, because the solution wasn't satisfying, and I feel like I've wasted my time and I've ruined my experience. Life sucks.
why do you rest the blame on yourself regardless of what you did to solve a problem and try to enjoy a game?
@@driftingdruid Yeah if I give a puzzle 20 to 30 minutes and get nothing i'll just look it up. I can't imagine myself beating Grim Fandango without this
Personally I don't enjoy puzzles so I look everything up as soon as it's not instantly obvious, i like gameplay not figuring things out that will waste my time and still not give me any satisfaction. Everyone is different right, I don't think there is a correct way to play anything just whatever makes you happy
"And play them COMPLETLY blind," He says while spoiling DDLC with a image
hes complaining about spoilers while showing spoilers in his video 😐
@@Stuckley Hes just a master editor.
lmao you mean a game that released in 2017, dominated all of KZhead for like a year straight, and was memed to hell and back. yeah don't want that to be spoiled for you...
@@rintinrina the point was that he's a hypocrite, at no point did they say that he spoiled it for them.
@@rintinrina So if I haven't played, let's say, Portal or Persona and want to play them as blindly as possible, I'm not allowed to do it cause they weren't released yesterday or there were too many memes about them? Why we can't just agree to not spoiling anything if no one asked to, and ESPECIALLY if you are the one who's whining about games being spoiled and thus ruined, is that too difficult to do?
Going into a game completely blind is a very surreal experience. It's really hard to do these days, especially when gaming and the internet is a prominent thing, so those few moments where you know absolutely nothing is almost magical.
I simply just play old games that no one really talks about consistently anymore like final fantasy 1-10 or the original resident evil and silent hill trilogies. I got blind playthroughs for all of them and it was such an amazing experience
I find this argument kind of lacking. The individual chooses to remain blind to a game or if they want to start looking into it. Its very easy to avoid something you dont want to see. KH3 was a game that i didnt want to know anything about but that was a horrible choice. I wish i had read up on it before i bought it. That game was a disappointment. Point being, i was able to avoid being informed on the game by not looking for it.
grew up not that well off so i only had my own first ever playstation console like 2 years ago (i’m 24). got the ps4 pro and got some must-have games like horizon zero dawn, god of war and spider-man. i had absolutely no idea what even the general premise of the games are, but i loved every single moment playing those games. it felt like i was discovering the world, learning the skills and the history alongside the characters. the gaming experience felt more immersive and intimate.
@@manray0703 You say this until you accidentally read a comment or a video titled that says "Arthur Morgan Dies". Suddenly the end of a game is spoiled for you forever. This is true for any form of media. You don't have to *search* for something to have it spoiled for you.
@@potawatadingdong I know this sucks but the fact that you know something is going to happen in a story doesn't mean it's not worth getting through. Also you can make an effort to not going to videos or pages dedicated to the media you are consuming, which is the point of the video.
As someone who needs to look things up sometimes, I usually give myself a limit of “have I checked every available/logical area twice” and a time limit based on how difficult the puzzle or whatever seems to be intended to be. And also the ability to realize that sometimes I’m just a dumbass who gets stuck in a normal ass room because I decided the exit point couldn’t possibly be right because it was slightly high and my character could possibly jump up there (I could in fact jump up there)
I would say a counterpoint is, if you just don't have the time. If you're older and work and don't have the luxury of spending hours discovering all the secrets in a game, it's okay to spoil yourself a little. That was one way I held myself back. I wasn't enjoying games because I didn't allow myself to look up some of the secrets and easter eggs that sometimes make the whole game fun. And I get a terrible feeling of missing out. It's okay to look stuff up, play on easy mode, or get assistance if it means you enjoy the game more in the little time you have available to play it.
That's what did with Blasphemous after I beat the game but only had 97% of all items
Me and Elden Ring. Yeah I’m spoiling myself, but I just like finding everything, even if missing something is ultimately okay.
As a college student, I agree. You don't always have time for that. You are playing like for hour per day, I won't like to spend 5 hrs on a single level. I like slow paced games but I don't like being Stuck on a level for hours.
FOMO is made up. Just don't feel it.
@@Maskeroff. same, i have work , and i can't sacrifice my sleep. I still enjoy every minute of the game despite being spoiled. It would still need to have a certain level of skill to finished a boss fight.
Wow an informative video that doesnt run around in circles for 30 minutes. Straight to the point, provided examples and humor. Amazing video!
Ibz! Love your videos man
@@TheStellarJay I just found your channel, I like what I see so far. You got a big future ahead!
"...that doesnt run around in circles for 30 minutes." - Ni-ni-ni-ni-ni-ni! ;-)
This means a lot when ibz(#1 hater) is the one saying it
I mean, he could've ran in corcles a LITTLE bot just to get monetized, I wouldn't complain
I love when a community answers without spoilers though- if you were stuck in outer wilds, everyone would be very careful not to tell you where to go - they’d probably just hint at a clue the game gave you already, so you still get to figure it out - without giving up completely
@Metal Sign to be fair spoiler mode is also just really fun to say for some reason, plus it's technically more correct since it encompasses (the other spoiler)
I feel like The Witness community is like this
Hades community too, try not to spoil the main boss etcetera
God please play outer wilds if anyone is reading this
@@MnemonicHeadTrip PLAY OUTER WILDS PLEASEEE. IT'S SOOO GOOD, I CAN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT JUST TRUST ME PLEASE, PLAY IT BLIND
The only time I’ve ever looked something up in a Zelda game: -playing ocarina of time on N64 -just got slingshot in first dungeon -couldn’t find my way out of the room because the door was on an elevated area -got stuck in that stupid room for 69420 years, tried everything -pulled out my paper tutorial booklet and found the page on this area -“Ohhhh I need to use the slingshot I just got to knock the ladder off of the ceiling so I can climb to the door! Now I can continue the dungeon!” -hit the ladder and the “you did something right” sound effect plays But seriously, why was the ladder on the fucking ceiling???
Counterpoint: There are tons of things that I would've never found in Hollow Knight if I had never searched it up. For instance, the Hive entrance is really well hidden and would take hours of searching to actually find unless you got lucky. Some people don't want to do that and actually want to make progress :)
this i could understand sometimes it just feels like youre missing something even though youve thought you searched every single nook and cranny
Counterpoint: That doesn't rationalize looking up guides on the internet for every shortcoming you come across because that, as he says in the video, ruins the game. Also bees roam around entrances and exits of the Hive so it's a subtle hint.
@@shanerichartyeah but there's games that straight up hide stuff so stupidly that it makes no sense like for example fromsoft games, there is not a single person I've met that found out where Nameless king, Owl father or Darklurker is without looking up a guide and sometimes these things are missable so you'd just be playing the game thinking yeah I'll just keep playing till I find out then reach a certain point where it becomes unaccessible, guides for well hidden stuff like this or things like items are justifiable Imo, it doesn't ruin the game at all if you're literally missing out on the cool stuff that the game has but is locked behind a complex system
@@bourne. Fair point taken, but we're talking about games that encourage the player to search around and break things to find new areas. The only vague area to unlock is maybe Kingdom's edge, but I haven't met someone who missed that. When people encounter a single shortcoming they dash to Reddit and ask questions even though they obviously haven't found an item or hit a lever yet. The point made in the video is that if you sacrifice going into the game blind to overcome a problem that could be easily fixed later on spoils the game. Hollow Knight is a game that literally makes you explore so when you come across one locked door or something it shouldn't be imperative to hastily dash to a social media website and spoil your own experience for obvious answers.
"Things that I would've never found" followed by "would take hours of searching to actually find" meaning you just invalidated your argument and called yourself lazy, getting the collector's map helped me find the entrance so just playing enough will give you everything you need
I once looked up how to solve a Zelda puzzle and felt so stupid when the solution was just the one thing I hadn't tried
I once looked up how to solve a Zelda puzzle and felt so mad because the solution is way simpler than the puzzle
That fucking puzzle in control... i tried for 3 hours without discovering and my cousin on the call just searched and gave me the answer... i was so mad, but happy that i passed that stupid puzzle
Yeah, that tends to happen in some puzzle heavy series like portal or Zelda: every once in a while, you’ll get a puzzle that you just don’t get, and it turns out to be the simplest thing ever
Sometimes I think the solution is a convoluted thing when it's simpler.
Not overthinking the puzzle is probably the hardest puzzle that any Zelda game has to offer.
"Do yourself a favour and play them completely blind" proceeds to immediately put up a visual spoiler for DDLC
That wasn't spoiling anything though, except maybe that the game isn't just a cute dating game. But if you couldn't figure that out from "Psycholgical Horror" then that's on you tbh
@@scarabdust As he mentions in the video, without looking into it you wouldn't know WHY it has the psychological horror tag. The visual effects are a huge contributor to the vibe of the game, so spoiling that aspect is still a spoiler.
@@quoipi You still don't really learn anything from that screencap other than "well, the game gets a little dark and scary." Which again, you probably could have gleaned from the Psychological Horror tag and the fact that the game straight up warns you that disturbing things will happen.
@@scarabdust The term “psychological horror” can mean anything that relates to disturbing themes, but the main twist of the game is that it becomes glitchy and sentient -breaks the 4th wall-( which is what this vid shows here). I think part of the magic is that the game spends 2-3 hours being an actual (non-horror) dating sim, so when stuff started to get glitchy and messed-up, it’s really meant to take you by surprise. You first think that the dark part is the ending of your 1st playthrough, and may go to for your 2nd to avoid it from happening… and then game says NOPE and decides to not hold back anymore. I played the game when it was still new and only a handful of youtubers put out their first episode/s of their playthrough , so maybe it was different experience compared to now where everyone knows to some extent that DDLC is culturally accepted as a horror game.
@@bananacakesmckanzee7290 We have the context of the game though, so we know what the dark glitchy stuff means when we see screenshots or screencaps. A completely new player wouldn't really take away anything from the screencap in the video--other than, again, that the game gets dark and isn't a normal dating sim. An actual spoiler would be like a screenshot of Sayori hanging herself or something, not something that has zero context.
I feel completely different to you. Most of the time when I play a game, I like looking things up so I know where to go. When I get stuck on a puzzle long enough, I just look it up, and I (almost) always think, "ohhhhhh! That's how you do it! Clever." ...I really suck at puzzles. But it's an interesting look into the difference in psychology between us. Ofc I don't spoil games for others, cause their experience is important to me.
i dont give a fuck about puzzles in games if its not ap uzzle game i remeber bdos old way of unlock khazarka only time ive ever cheated clientside in a game
“By the way, if you haven’t been spoiled for these games, half of which I just spoiled for you by showing various snippets of late game sequences, play them!” Gotta love video game KZheadrs.
"Hey I'll click on a video featuring a game I haven't played and don't want to see spoilers for. Why are there spoilers?! REEEEE" Gotta love video game consumers. If you haven't played Hollow Knight by now, you're probably never going to, you can't demand the internet remain careful of spoilers forever. Btw Sephiroth kills Aerith, Snape kills Dumbledore, Samus is a woman, and the cake isn't a lie.
@@FreePigeon This is such a strange take because it's assuming everyone has all of the time in the world to play video games and not miss out on releases, or more simply just not be in the mood to play a specific type of game at a given time. Not to mention the younger generation who is growing up and playing older video games. Ever heard of college before? A job maybe? If not, the website called indeed is rather helpful. You could use it. Might teach you a thing or two. The video is centered about not ruining video games and it's ruining them by telling spoilers for the game the video is centered around. This isn't exactly rocket science. I'm sure somewhere in that rotting husk of a skull there's some resemblance of a brain and deep down, and I mean really deep down, you are a smart and educated individual who is capable of critical thinking and basic comprehension.
@@catchet1what if all they have is a rotting husk of a skull?
"I spoiled the monkey boss to myself by watching a youtube video" Me, not having played the game yet, watching him immediately spoil the boss for me with the background footage:
I know right, I am literally playing Sekiro right now, and I had no clue that that boss even existed.
exactly lol
I feel bad for you guys, because initially it took hours for me to even take him out, only for that to happen. Was very satisfying finally beating him though.
420, nice
I am currently playing hollow knight... 0:55 Spoiler warning AFTER he showed the full goddamn map and shown things i havent gotten to yet. Like gee thanks bro 👌 i will never watch any of his content again
Sadly I usually don't expect to get a game so I just watch videos on it without thinking I would actually play it, then later I get the game from like a gift or something and I had it spoiled for myself by myself, truly one of the experiences ever
haha me with Hollow Knight. I watched a playthrough up until the Broken Vessel boss (those who know what happens after you beat it understand) thinking I would probably never play this game. Until I realized that I might actually love this game so I stopped watching it and played it myself. God damnit I wish I went in blind. (Hollow Knight is still my all time favorite game though)
@@Melotaku same with me but I actually watched a 100% playthrough fully twice, then I realized I had Xbox game pass (which is on computer too for some reason), which had hollow knight, and I got it
Deepnest isn't too bad!! You should venture in!! When it got too creepy atmosphere wise though I would play podcasts so I would be less scared LMAO
@@chenwingsee well I mean I've been into deepnest but I am to lazy to do it and I just don't like the ambiance I'm not exactly "scared", I just don't like the area
@@notacat6832 I actually quite like the atmosphere of deepnest. But I love dark and eerie environments in games so I'm a bit biased. I do prefer the abyss over deepnest though.
I am currently playing Hollow Knight and though I have spoiled myself quite some lore because I am hungry for lore and I watched someone guide me through Fungal Wastes, because I had absolutely no clue how to navigate that terrain. I did however venture off and explore some other place in Fungal Wastes while the person in the video was explaining some other area in Fungal Wastes. I still feel like my Hollow Knight experience is uniquely my own and nobody can spoil how exactly I'm playing it. Besides, the community has managed to fool me with some things (Grubfather) and I am hoping that I wasn’t lied to about a way to save a certain someone with a flower. I think why my playthrough experience in HK feels isolated from everyone else's is just how the map is and I have often ventured out of map bounds and lost my ways and had to refind them or die. I wouldn't look up someone explaining how to beat Hornet in Greenpath or No Eyes, but I think I will definitely look for guidance it I ever face Radiance because I am scared and I would also do so if I had no clue who Radiance was and accidentally stumbled into the fight. My fingers would immediately fly over to google after dying a couple of times without progress or not because I am getting too obsessed with beating Radiance so I would keep at it until my hands would be in literal pain after doing all the moves xD
So many games are just a blast to play blind and so many people just encounter one small problem and immediately turn to the internet instead of trying to figure it out themselves which can really ruin the charm of a puzzle or boss
I usually have a rule that I don’t look anything up until I’ve tried for like 20-30 minutes to figure out what to do. I find this works pretty well for me because that way I end up figuring out most things completely by myself, but don’t have to spend an entire day stuck on 1 part of a game where I have no idea what to do. This is only if I’m completely stumped. As much as I miss the feeling of finally figuring out where to go or what to do from my childhood, now that I’m an adult I just can’t justify spending that level of time making zero progress any more. Don’t have unlimited time to play video games these days
I agree to this. I only had to look up one thing. *THOSE DAMNED BOUNCY MUSHROOMS!*
I give myself an hour because I got stuff to do and limited time.
I dont search it up unless im so bored of trying to figure it out that im about to quit
agreed, I think it's completely understandable to look up a hint or a solution if you've spent a stupidly long time on a puzzle that should be easy
I do this with Metroid (older Metroid not modern modern is very clear)
I love going on the hollow knight subreddit once every couple of months and seeing what batshit psycho nonsense they're up to. It's never boring, they're always framing a bug for arson or agreeing to sacrifice a youtube personality to get team cherry to release silksong or gaslighting themselves into believing the game is already out. One of my favorite corners of the internet.
All for a game that’s just been taking a little bit longer than average to make. Imagine if the Duke Nukem fan base was as impatient as Hollow Knight, they would’ve literally gone insane waiting for Duke Nukem Forever
@@bandannadoo the funny thing is despite going a bit crazy over (previously) not having news about Silksong, the majority of the fanbase is perfectly accepting of not having it release for a few years. They know that the longer the wait for it, the more likely it will be even better than the original.
ur comment is gold lmao
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After months of feeling like a clown thinking news would come out, it's official silksong is coming out this year !!
I've always seen hollow knight as a game of trial, error, exploring and unexpected bossfights and because I don't usually have internet so I don't have the choice of searching a minor inconvenience so I have to go around finding secrets, lore and cool new characters sharing their experiences also I love how the game tell a story of an underdog who gives of a strong sense of power
I'm so glad that I started my hollow knight journey with almost no knowledge about it. I just picked up the game cause I had extra money left and it was on a steam sale. I had no idea it was this much of a masterpiece.
The best way to play story driven games like this are as the developer intended, not looking up how to play it on reddit.
Sadly some people are not patient enouth to explore If you are searching the last few thing an cant find them, its a bit more understandable than being "stuck" in the very earlygame
I dare you to finish the original Day of the Tentacle without looking the answers in a guide.
@@Tamos40000 me?
@@janjunker6458 It was more of a general "you"
@@Tamos40000 ahh
Love this but when 90% of games have/had hidden shit that you could only try for one time on a specific level you tend to dwell on that ledge wondering "if I leave can I come back?"
It helps to refine your search-fu for spoiler-free guides/tips, answers to specific questions (like "Are there points of no return in [game title here]?"), and beginner's guides.
Just start over?
@@jpraczbr8413 a very good point I struggle to just hit the reset in games and do over, you really need to in strategy games with connecting campaign battles
@@jpraczbr8413 dude, I got a fulltime job, and a backlog bigger than most kid's Christmas lists. Ain't nobody got time for that.
@@jpraczbr8413 not an option for people who work or don't have that much time to play, i do prefer looking for the trophy guide and go to the missable and related to difficulty trophies so i don't have to do 2 runs reasons i don't have that much fun in games anymore is due to grinding for collectibles and having to play first on hard, then on the next difficulty level it unlocks when you beat the game
I do have to agree, especially recently. I got rainworld because a couple years back I heard it had fun movement. So after na hour of playing I decided to look up some tech "It's just some tech, it makes everything more fun to zoom around!" I told myself. And while I was on the wiki I saw some minor spoilers, nothing big. Later I was stuck in Outskirts for a while can't remember why exactly, but I decided to look for a map on the wiki. And then I started reading the trivia section while scrolling down to the map section. And it continued on and on. I read more and more. I go to a new area and decide to just look up for a youtube video to watch in the background because I play on switch handheld. so since I am so happy about this game and have fun, I check the first part or two of an let's play. and eventually I get spoiled more and more about me just wanting to consume as much as quickly as possible. I had an overall great time with the game, got the dlc (spoiled a lot too) and was finished with most content after 2 weeks. I could have had more fun for months probably if I just stayed away from the wiki and from youtube, I don't know why I do this to me.
I really do not understand when people say they are not spoiling anything if the game is [insert age] years old.
It's not that they're not spoiling anything, it's that you had enough time to play the damn game and you didn't, getting spoiled is equally yours and the spoilers fault.
@@davidreljac1707 That assumes everyone knows every video game, movie, and TV series ever. I, myself, just discovered this video game about one week ago, so I literally did not have enough time to play the damn game. That goes for everything.
@@piadas804 Yeah, but the rule of "Nobody cares, it's been [Blank amount] years already" is still something people apply to all sorts of media. By your logic, Shakespeare's works have been spoiled to everyone, since everyone knows how Romeo and Juliet. But guess what? Nobody cares, it's been 430 years already!
@@davidreljac1707 "Nobody" cares because Shakespeare's works are not popular nowadays. Some video games, movies, and TV series are extremely popular, and people actually care for their plot.
@@piadas804 If popularity is your measure of what should and shouldn't be spoiled, then A LOT of entertainmento media can be freely spoiled to anyone (This includes things that are not old but haven't garnered much popularity). Besides, measuring purely on popularity is very flawed, as it assumes everyone everywhere shares the same awareness of the popularity of a specific topic, when that couldn't be farther from the truth.
The magic of playing through your first playthrough of any game is the not knowing and finding out things for yourself is indeed one of the best feelings ever. I quickly found out that playing a game where you already know everything that happens gets really boring really fast...
Definitely. I think we all wish we could play a game like hollow knight again for the first time. Magic really is the best word to describe it 😊
Can't relate If the surprise factor is the only thing making a game interesting and fun, then it probably wasn't very good in the first place.
I feel this. Its why I won't google any guides. Was shocked to think people actually look up maps for hollow knight
@@NeoDark93 dont be a smartass , they obviously nnean that the surprise ENHANCES the experience... not that is all the game has to it. For example : Bloodborne . If you know what happens in the story , the game is still awesome , but if you dont , it is the most unique experience of your life
While true, a lot of games with complex systems and broad skilltrees seem better when you already know what to do. The first time i played Prey and Witcher 3, i got captured by the story, but i was also confused when it came to skills and crafting. Second time, i already knew my way around and could make a build that is way more fun and engaging.
I definitely prefer to avoid looking up things like puzzle solutions. I adore the feeling of satisfaction that comes with working through a difficult challenge. Being legally blind though, about half the time I struggle with something, it literally comes down to me not seeing something. For that reason I give it the ol’ college try, then look it up after half an hour to an hour. The feeling of satisfaction that comes with solving a puzzle isn’t great enough for me to persevere when, more than likely, I just can’t see a switch or something.
I give a puzzle two hours give or take of not making progress before I look up an answer. I feel like that is a good compromise
@@meee_5155 Oh, totally! I’d say that’s reasonable.
@@meee_5155 im in the same boat, if it takes too long, or i just cant seem to figure it out after a set period of time, solution hunting happens.
sometimes tho i just get bored of the puzzles cause I've been stuck on them for a while and just search up the answers online
Y’a In hollow knight I killed broken vessel and then it’s dream varient lost kin then proceeded to search 99% of the map looking for the Monarch wings. I had to look up their location. From the various places I’d seen I knew there had to be a double jump somewhere and I was a room off from swing it
Play the game however you want. I looked up areas here and there and probably would have been bored otherwise. I went into the game looking for boss fights after S tiering cuphead. That's what I got and I particularly enjoyed it, except pantheon of hallownest.
Great video my dude, you got my self-guidlines for how much I see before plating a game down to a tee. That being said, it blows my mind you made this video without mentioning Outer Wilds though, every single person I've gotten to play it agrees it's the best game ever, hope you enjoy! Also, it was cool to see someone with a similar style to my favorite videos of mine but you did it in an easier to produce size. Anywho, thx, God bless❤️
I think it just comes down to people having never played a game that dosen't hand everything to them on a silver platter, also known as a game that dosen't baby its players.
Probably, but you gotta admit that when you search at least 3 hours for one thing it get's annoying and it'd not gonna be fun anymore
@@laka4049 those people did not search for three hours my guy
Also known as an indie game
@@laka4049 yeah When playing through ori and the will of the wisps I had to check like 2 things from a walkthrought as I hadn't figured them out and had walled through the map 3-4 times checking each potential road to reach more progression and still not finding anything But that's about the amount I think doesn't ruin the whole experience
@@RushWheeler VIDEO GAME RACISM
So here's a question, does the point of "It ruins the excitement and fun of figuring it out" still stand when the game stops being fun because you can't figure anything out?
fair point
The best way to play the game is the one where you can finish the game is how I see it. *Looks over at the hundreds of incomplete games in my steam library* ....Yeah so as long as you are having fun you are doing it right.
think that's why he said "unless you are genuinely frustrated," as, for example, with the hollow knight thing, that person clearly did not exhaust all available options before going on the website to figure it out basically, at least give the game a shot on its own before you try to look it up, which might seem obvious, but based on some of the reddit posts shown in this video, it demonstrably isn't to everyone
unless you have exhausted all your options and genuinely arent having fun anymore, just assume it will get resolved by the end of the game, dont look it up, if its a puzzle you need to do now, try taking a bit of a break, approaching stuff from a new perspective while being less immersed helps with a lot of puzzles
Hollow Knight and many metroidvania/puzzle/exploration games work partly because the "frustration" you feel just makes the success feel better. But sure, before completely giving up a game, looking something up carefully might be worth it. Asking friends who already played that game for a hint might work even better because they won't spoil half of the game.
Never expected to ever hear the link click soundtrack on a youtube video about games. One of my fav anime and it makes it eaven fuunnier when you mentioned people complimenting your music choice at the end of the vid
Sometimes I'll look up if something has an impact on the story or not but that's about it. I try not to spoil anything for myself while trying not to screw up my save file (ex: trying to do a good-guy run and a moral dilemma comes up I'm not sure about)
Hollow knight players: *missed a jump* These people: now this is an avengers level threat
Take my like and take it with pride 😂
"play these games blind if you haven't!" proceeds to spoil the exact moments he said he doesnt want spoiled for himself. good job
lmao
I was fuming when he showed the monkey boss fight's twist in the background footage without warning while complaining about that EXACT moment getting spoiled for him.
@@paradoxicaloutcome1007 same thing happened when he was talking about ddlc briefly at the end
Yea, I was thinking about that myself… Not the smartest move
He also got the skip timestamp for Hollow Knight wrong. Yeah the game is 5 years old but if you're gonna do a spoiler warning anyway please make sure the timestamp is right.
As soon as i got all the endings on ddlc, i was glad i didn't search anything up, i was successfully traumatised, and whenever someone mentions it or i see it in my steam library, my heart skips a beat, thankyou for mentioning this game.
We said cry about it and bro really cried about it
huh? who cried im confused
as someone who watches so much youtube its so fucking hard not to get spoilers like when i heard cuphead dlc is gonna come out soon i literally covered my eyes during the boss fight they showed i still clicked some random vid that showed that scene instantly
I use two methods to get around this. Remove every related video to a game I want to play from my watch history, and do the not interested thing, and use a separate guest account when I just want to view a trailer. It's really effective, unless you consider a tiny thumbnail that you see for half a second a massive spoiler
Do you have photographic memory or something? Because I watched those trailers and I can tell you that I barely remember 5% of what was shown. It's not like it's a game with a story that could be spoiled by bad trailer editing.
@@spirit.ofthe.harvestmoon I not only avoiding the trailers I mean anything from it so any gameplay counts too
@@dogi46 I understood that gameplay was also being avoided(it's the thing Cuphead has to offer, after all). I just don't understand how the trailer of a gameplay could affect your blind playthrough)
@@spirit.ofthe.harvestmoon it wouldn't, I just don't want even a frame spoiled because i loved the game a lot and the dlc is the only thing i was excited for compared to the other games announced
To be fair, it's incredibly difficult to avoid spoilers from games unless you never type its name into your browser a single time. Often I just wanted to look up a nice soundtrack on KZhead after hearing it in a game and immediately my feed gets swardmed with spoiler thumbnails everywhere, it's truly obnoxious. And even in the music video I always have to force myself not to read any comments because there will always be a spoiler.
This happens to me on a regular basis. I despise it
its not hard its so easy.
i wanted to look up the edgerunners trailer, so i wrote "cyberpunk edgerunners" and before i could even write trailer the youtube autofill result was the death of a major character :/
@@advakart4208 Yes, that too.
@@advakart4208 thats the worst feeling ever.
Thanks I've been trying to do this for a while. This tutorial is helpful and efficient.
To be fair there are far too many games that do come out in such a broken state that in SOME cases it is perfectly reasonable to look up if it's a bug or a feature.
Here’s the thing. I completely 100% agree with you. But, the thing is, people have fun in different ways. When my dad was younger and playing the first Legend of Zelda game, he and his friends would meet up and tell each other about all the new things they’d found and all the dungeons they’d managed to solve. They actually wrote all of their findings in a journal and even had maps of the game world. My point is, whenever one of them got stuck, they would go ask the other person for help, and they went back and forth like this until, eventually, they beat the game. I think that would enhance the experience. My dad even said he felt like he would’ve had less fun with the game had someone not been there to help him through it. I’m not saying everyone has to play like this, I’m just saying that for some people, it’s more fun to ask for help.
This, but I also think that it's also about what the game is as well. Undertale? Toby Fox had trouble making a trailer because almost every instance would count as huge spoilers. Legend of Zelda? Apparently developers themselves wanted the game to be played like your dad played, a game with a pure sense of adventure with your friends, same with Pokemon. Hollow Knight meanwhile, similar to Undertale, is definitely not a game you want spoiled in majority of context, Silksong pretty much too. Rain World, on the other hand, is what I find a very interesting experience: on one end, it's better you enter in blind because it's an experience trying to survive in that enviorment; on the other end looking up some walkthroughs, asking for help and spoiling a bit about where to go and what you will find is something you can do because the game can be ruthless and you must learn on your own. I looked up control and movement walkthroughs as well as spoilt myself with the existence of characters and creatures, as well the entire playthrough of the hard difficulty, but that barely ruined the fun I had with the game because the game has so much that you are driven to replay it and replay it for the experience alone. I do not suggest spoiling yourself fully (especially the storyline), but I do encourage you if you want some help by spoiling yourself. So in few words, yeah, it's not just about the player but it's also what kind of game are you playing.
@@zoki4291 I completely agree.
Still very much not the same. One is asking a friend who is also playing the game. The other is asking a sea of anonymous all guaranteed to have the answer in intimate detail. It's the wiki. It's the walkthrough. It's the "I don't really want to play the game, I just want to beat it."
@@dopaminecloud yeah, but my point wasn’t that asking friends for help makes games more fun, my point was that people all have fun in different ways. Maybe someone has more fun playing a game just to beat it. Some people find ways to speed through games as quickly as possible so they can be at the top of a leaderboard. Fun is subjective. Who are we to judge a person for how they enjoy something? I do think that we can all agree though, the guy who asked about the second knight is just fucking stupid.
there's a distinct difference between working through it with friends and consulting the omniscient internet about trivial problems you have at the start of the game, honestly it frustrates me a lot when I see stuff like this, I was hanging out in the binding of isaac discord server, and someone playing the game for the first time was in the chat asking what every single item did before picking it up... it made no sense to me. they refused to actually just play the damn game. and when I tell them they should just play it instead of asking everyone constantly, they act all butthurt as if I'm being a dick for telling them maybe they should play the video game instead of having everyone else play it for them.
The way I notice I ruin game experiences is by wanting to do everything as efficient as possible. I spend more time looking things up than actually playing the game and learning it that way
yeah I've ruined most of Elden Ring for myself by doing this
I've stopped watching speedruns bc of that. I would try to emulate some of the strats and exploits and ruin the game's intended difficulty.
I ruined fire emblem 3 houses with too much planning. I spent 30 hours on the game and I was barely half way through. It has gotten to the point where I try to look up nothing and just have fun rather than overanalyzing.
This actually makes me enjoy games more. I like to optimize and spend my time and resources in game as efficient as possible
Perusing build guides before playing is one thing. Having to have the META build that has been well treaded by others... well, I don't understand that mentality, but some people do it. 🤷♀
recently played through celeste and i really appreciated the celeste music you had in the background, that stuff is some of the best game music i've ever heard
I remember reading once that the zelda creator would specifically make super hidden secrets in the game so that people would talk about it you shouldn't look every little thing up at first sight but some things are made to be talked about
I played hollow knight at the same time as a coworker, and we would talk about our experiences together at work. It was the closest experience I had to pre-internet 90s gaming since...well the 90s. Highly recommend.
I think there's a balance to be had. I'll try my damnedest to go into a game blind and explore the world and solve puzzles with fresh eyes, especially if there's a heavy narrative focus I don't want to spoil, but with the limited amount of time for games I sometimes find myself with, there are instances where I'm just going to swallow my pride if it means that looking up a quick answer means I save myself the effort of backtracking through the entire game world combing every nook and cranny for the one hidden key item I somehow missed thirty hours back. Solving things on your own is obviously the ideal, but there are always going to be games with the occasional bullshit solution.
Yeah. There is a balance. There are not enough clues in Hollow Knight to know about the hive or the white palace without looking it up on the internet IMO. Which is a shame, because someone exploring the Hollow Knight wiki will have a lot of the game spoiled for them.
@@owen551 The hive is fair enough, but I think the White Palace is definitely understandable. Most players will end up working through the Seer quests as they gather more essence, and remembering the corpse of the kingsmould having a barrier around it isn't too much of a stretch. I can definitely see why some would miss it, but I think there's just enough for the majority of people to catch on.
@@owen551 Huh? Does the collector's map not show the grubs there?
@@knowledgeacquirer2931 True, but that one peak into the hive with one of the grubs is the only real indication it even exists tbh. A single random breakable wall across some spikes and below the hive, is still really difficult to find.
@@_maestro7168 there are like 4 entrances from the tram pass to the hive
i learned the hard way if i dont spoil the game for myself, i'll eventually give up trying to figure it out let me spoil the game for myself if i want to 🙏
Weak.
@@KwikBR and what about it? 🤨
This reminds me of that part from MMBN5, where you need an eight password to get past a door, and the only hint comes with one man with a side eye smirk. Glad to know the number never changes when playing through multiple time.
Honestly, I love video games, and I agree that 90% of people should play this way on their own. However, I am a busy father of 5, and I love video games myself. Sometimes I like to enjoy the game on my own without spoilers, but then there are other times where I'm like, "there's no way I want to spend this much time on this game or ill forget about my family," so I look shit up. Don't feel ashamed for looking for all the best stuff and secrets. There are multiple ways to enjoy a game. Have some variety and enjoy the experience in any way you like.
I hear you
same, i´m 18 and currently working and going to university, you just can´t spend so much time on games anymore, there´ll be a moment you´ll be able to enjoy with no spoilers, however sometimes you gotta look stuff up
5!?!?!?!?
I don't understand. Why not pick a different game that would work better for someone who can't take the time so solve puzzles on his own? If you care so much about efficiency, why not go all the way and play something you'd enjoy more instead of prostrating yourself before GameFAQs?
Not quite sure how to unpack this. Can't tell if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing. The reason I don't pick a different game is because I still enjoy these games. There really isn't one specific way to enjoy a game. And not everybody cares about solving every little puzzle on their own. It sounds like you do. And I do too, but with my life changes, like family(which is way more important than games to me), I tend to enjoy the game in any way that fits my lifestyle. It's not like playing the game this way is the most honorable way to play. Amongst other nerds and "hard core gamers" it might. But lets be honest, I have a massive life outside of games. I'll enjoy them my way :) @@simonplumaj5542
The way people have been reacting about tears of the kingdom is insane too. Literally hours after the title drop, people were making and releasing videos about tips and tricks, lore, and everything else they could with tears of the kingdom in the title like the game itself was released and I never felt more fury for a community I was a part of
Stuff like that is what ruined CoD zombies for me (and the lead director leaving while Activision was doing Activision things). When I finished the WaW campaign with my cousin in 2008 and we got dropped into zombies it was a magical moment. Not knowing what to do, the slow build up of zombies (that does make it hard to go back to now). And every game kept expanding on that. Load into a new map without knowing anything and just figure it out. They were good at adding more mechanics and every map was more fun than the last while slowly building up this story. Use the environment and world building to solve the puzzles and survive. Once Black Ops 3 came around, there was a dedicated community and all of a sudden every dlc map that came out was completely solved and everything about it discovered by the end of the week, I think in one case it took 12 hours. It was fun to be a part of a large community all trying to discover things but waiting 2-3 months just to spend less than a week playing each dlc eventually wasn’t fun. I don’t want every map to just be “look up the 30 minute guide.” And I think the mentality of just watching the KZheadrs solve everything in a day (in some cases they got early access to dlc) kinda ruined my enjoyment going forward. I bought WWII and it was such a breath of fresh air to have hints in game but you didn’t need to go to KZhead. Cold War was similar, it never felt like I needed to go to KZhead and I could just figure it out slowly with my friends by putting our brains together. Keep in mind, I did enjoy black ops 3 a lot, to the point that it’s one of my favourite cod games even though I’ve been around since 2008, but my love for zombies did not continue into black ops 4. I didn’t want that same experience. I just want to play a game, occasionally look something up if I’m brain dead or the developers made a bad puzzle (Uncharted 3 light room), but mostly just experience it without the help of others.
@tph_dragon🐁 that's infuriating too, but my main issue is that all we've gotten is the title drop at this point. No game. There is no game yet. The game has yet to be sold, and people are already acting like it's been released and releasing tips, tricks, lore, etc, for a game that they don't have access to. They are essentially lying all for the sake of getting that sweet, sweet youtube money by milking as much of it out of the title drop as they can. The only ones I forgive are the trailer analysis videos because that's content made from content avaliable, but imagine you never heard about the game until you saw one of these "tears of the kingdom tips" videos and then looked up the game only to find out that its not even released. I'm just disappointed in how many people in the Zelda community are willing to, essentially, lie and pretend that they're in the know to the rest of the community all for the youtube cash.
I am intentionally avoiding any media around that game for the very reason stated in the video. When I first played BOTW, I was amazed and had so much fun discovering its world. I really want to do it again for Tears of the Kingdom.
I dont think it's bad ; it's simple you don't see those videos . No matter how infuriating it is . Don't look up the guides to spoil for yourself but I disagree with the game tips being available is a issue. It is a divisable opinion but that's it.
I like theorycrafting before the game releases, really makes me feel like a part of something bigger.
Definitely agree, I'm in my 40's and when I first started playing video games you either figured stuff out for yourself or if you were lucky you had a friend who might be able to help you out. It was quite a while ago now but when I played Dark Souls I fell into the trap of constantly looking up stuff online, late last year I started Sekiro and made a point of figuring out things for myself, I beat every single boss on my own, I only watched boss guides after I'd beaten them to see what tactics other people used. I did spoil bits and pieces because I was so into the game I couldn't help myself but to check out youtube or online content here or there, but I kept it to a bare minimum.
"These people spoil the games for themselves! Anyway, here's me spoiling the game for you :3 "
Honestly, the reason why a lot of times I look up how to do certain things in games is my fear of missing out. I’m so afraid of everyone else enjoying an experience that I completely missed out on because I decided to skip something or take a different path. FOMO controls my life
spending less time on social media is usually helpful for that. Cant experience fomo if you are ignorant of the things you missed out on.
I feel you on this, it's ruined far too many classic games I think I'd otherwise be able to properly appreciate - partly due to permanently missable content in games like Final Fantasy 7. So recently, I played one of these older games I'd yet to beat because of this, Vandal Hearts (great game, though unfortunately and unrightly not listed on the Playstation Store). This time, though, I went after secrets I'd remembered, but elected to not look anything else up about the game. So I enjoyed the ride, saw how the game ended, and it was beautiful; ended up being worth it. The advice I have for you is to just not give a crap about other people's experiences with games and just find your own path, because what a good game gives you shouldn't rely on what other people enjoyed about it. If you like the game enough that you'll want to play it again some other time, _then_ try and find stuff you didn't know about - maybe even keep a notebook or something if you're a completionist, so you can note down stuff you don't want to miss next time.
Do you realize that you may not have the same experience as the people who discovered it on their own? Just play, if you miss something nothing happens, but if you grab a guide you already ruined the ENTIRE game
@@wilsonarenas7583 i wouldnt put it like that. Playing a game with a guide is a DIFFERENT experience than playing it blind. Neither is inherently worse than the other.
You have to embrace that you can't be a completionist in life. This is an existential thing. Get over it.
First video I’ve ever seen from you. This was awesome and hilarious 😂.
I've been playing all of my childhood games lately and I'm having a blast. It really made gaming fun for me again.
no joke, this is what made me not spoil the entirety of Hollow knight for myself. Its the first game that I've ever played without spoiling the entire plot for myself, and I am loving it. still playing it, in fact. its so surprising just how much stuff there is in this game!
it's such a beautiful game
Got stuck and couldn't even find where to keep exploring so I dropped the game. I'm not a kid anymore so I don't have time to waste hours trying to progress in a game with purposefully confusing exploration anymore. The people with the patience to look up what to do probably had a better time than me. Dont know why the guy uploading the video thinks you should waste time figuring out how to experience the game.
@@sleeplessomniman5204 look I don't want to be mean but if you haven't progressed decently far into the game (as in gotten the first ending at least) and you can't figure out where you can continue exploring in 10 to 20 mins MAX you have to be pretty fucking stupid ngl.
@@sleeplessomniman5204 maybe try out tetris, sounds like it would be your jam - pretty straightforward!
@@s8n.. I feel like you think I'm saying the game is bad. I'm just saying that its not accessible to people that don't play games like that. And while I've never looked into it, now that I can see that other people have had the same problem it makes me more sure of my assessment of the game.
I personally hate being stuck in video games. I don't mind at all struggling on puzzles, I'm a big fan of Zelda, portal,etc. But I hate those moments where you're stuck bc you don't know what you have to do next and your goal becomes just looking arround randomly. This is where I usually go on internet. One other thing that is fun. Try playing a challenging game with your friends at the same time. Helping each other is so fun. Even though you're given so much answers it's fun to cooperate in an un direct way.
Yeah, Fran Bow is cool but suffers so much from this
Looking at you Fallout 4 Railroad quest, and Skyrim Barenziah stones quest. I'm fine with no quest markers. Hell I'd disable the entire UI if I could for Skyrim sometimes, just to have more immersive fun. But my god when a game gives you quest markers for EVERYTHING. And then for this One quest that's like "oh ya know, find it." Like AGH. It makes me so mad because if you're not well versed in Boston and history, or are playing Skyrim and don't want to trek back and forth for 3 hours looking over every spot you could've missed a stone, you tend to get frustrated. just my opinion though, fuck no quest markers Sometimes.
Hollow knight or similar games arent for you then. Theres millions of other games to play that are more your speed.
@@smegspreader shut up please
@@smegspreader no it's for everyone who wants to play it and if they want to look stuff up, that's 100% okay. Gatekeeping is worthless.
I remember once, long before I played red dead redemption 2, I came across a tik tok, showing his death at the end of the game along with small moments that you get to experience throughout the game, an edit of sorts, and fast forward a few years later, red dead 2 is on sale, and seeing as many labeled it the best game up to date, I decided to try it out, and I instantly fell in love, in the back of my mind, there was always this lingering thought that I knew Arthur would die at some point, which really desensitized the ending as I had already known what was going to happen, but what mattered to me was the journey. I bought and played through the game, fully knowing what the outcome was going to be, and I still enjoyed the game so much. While the ending had been revealed to me years before, after spending so much time with Arthur, I still felt a pit in my heart during the ending, seeing how the gang was at the beginning vs how it ended, even with the ending spoiled, it was definetely a game worth my time
My biggest problem is I tend to discover games through let's play videos. I also have a bad habit of seeing a game on steam, going "hey, neat. *wishlist*", and never actually playing it. Otherwise, I completely agree, right now I am doing hollownight blind with a friend who is a veteran of the game, and I've put in 33 hours over 4 days.
love how most replayed bit is the part where he lists all the good games you should play
I so wish I could play hollow knight through blind so I could experience the *final boss* without having it been spoiled for myself
I totally agree, somehow i had never come across any spoilers for the portals games and recently playing through both of them completely blind without looking anything up was super fun, i would recommend.
alresdy at the first minute understood what its about. I tend to do that too but when I got my hands on neon white I said to myself "this time you will NOT be using the internet" and oh my god figuring out how to get to the presents or how to most efficiently end the level was ths most satisfying thing I felt in a long time
Story time: I used to think the Ori games were the absolute pinnacle of story-driven gaming. Nothing could top them. I actually experienced a sense of withdrawal after completing Will of the Wisps because I thought it was the most beautiful thing to ever experience. (and it still is a very beautiful game). But then I played Hollow Knight, and after achieving the True Ending, I feel SO grown up now! The game does not hold your hand at all once you go down that well. And I had to dig and discover the story that was in there. Very cool. Food tends to taste better after you put in some work for it.
"Food tastes better after you put a little work into it" couldn't have said it better myself
Bro, this is exactly how my experience went. I loved the ori games, had hollow knight in my wishlist, finally got it. Now I'm addicted to it, and attempting speedruns. Hollow knight is best!
I had the same experience, but I still prefer Ori over Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight slaps though.
Yes. Just, yes.
I might sound rude but for me No jrpg can top the legend of heroes trails series And I am not talking about just story This franchise is peak jrpg
I agree with you fundamentally that games are best enjoyed without assistance, and that seeking assistance should really be reserved for when you're very frustrated. However, on the other hand... I can't help but feel like everyone has a right to enjoy a video game however they want. If someone wants to play a game from start to finish with a walkthrough, who am I to tell them that that's wrong?
Because after people play through the game whilst being assisted at all times ,their opinion might differ from the one they would have if they played without assistance. You don't go watch a horror movie just to get a spreadsheet off a web with jumpscare times. That in turn affects what video game producers create. If you wanna cater to a spreadsheet-hold-my-hand-daddy you will create a different, possibly more boring game rather than creating a game designed with playing it with no assistance in mind. People also often think less about the things they understand and more of themselvs the more experienced they are. I m sure you know the Dunning-Krueger effect. Such people when faced with reality for example, encountering a hard boss will experience a lot of frustration, lots more than the standard player possibly. I personally tried playing through HK without assistance although I had to look up a few things up on the wiki but that was near the end game anyway. PS: Love your content.
I should have been more clear in the video because I gotten like 3 comments like this now. It wasn't my intention to tell anyone how to play games or come off as upset or degrading people who do use guides. I just wanted to express that I think it's more fun if you don't do that. :)
It might be their choice but it's a super totally lame one
@@F.M671 I tried to play elden ring without any guides. But there comes a point a little less than half way through the game (spoilers) that you need to find two halves of a medallion. Fromsoft games are notorious for being very conservative with hints. Sometimes it works, but sometimes entire quest lines have to be abandoned because the NPC changes to a completely new location on a massive map So I had to find these 2 medallions. After days of searching the map, I decided to quit for a few months. Getting tired of going through forts and caves only to find a magic wand or a useless talisman. Was I missing something? A clue? Did someone explain where they were but I zoned out? I've talked to every npc in the hold, but no luck. So I looked it up. They're in 2 random forts at opposite sides of the map. No clues. Just 2 tiny forts carrying items essential to progress. After this I started to get more liberal with my internet usage. It started with looking up some smithing stones, maybe a weapon teirlist, but by the time I got to the final boss, I created a build specifically to hunt him down. This forced me to go on a scavenger hunt of quest lines I could never find on my own. And I ended up exploring and enjoying more of the game than I ever could have blind. If I had decided not to look anything up, I would've quit long before I beat the game.
@@F.M671 nah
Dude your music is really good. I literally listen to the lofi-beats video from where the end audio originates.
Area brought me back with the scholastic book fair remark. I remember those days fondly.
I actually really like the outer wilds community for that. I only looked up stuff on it after having completed the game but most of the answers to questions were along the lines of « it’s ok if you can’t solve that puzzle right now, maybe you’re missing a piece. » and then offering pointers of directions the player could try exploring deeper.
Ohhh yeah those are good pointers. I think players sometimes worry they're doing something wrong too quickly, so this reassures them they're on the right track and need to give it a few more tries
The Outer Wilds community is one of the greatest for understanding how not to spoil
@@peterpeladoni mean, if you spoil that game, It will become just a bad game
@@quemuraa I don't think it's even a game. Just a flight simulator with text all over the place pretty much.
@@bananatheo3796bro hasn't played outer wilds 🔥🔥🔥🔥
A recent incident of this exact thing that irritated me to NO end was right after Elden Ring was released, and still probably to this day people leave the opening area and just get brain damage, because they don't understand the concept of just seeing something and deciding to check it out. Like, twitter, reddit, forums were filled with people not only confused, but saying the game was straight up bad because it didn't immediately tell you what to do with a bright shining beacon
In a game with LITERAL bright shining beacons at every checkpoint.
I've seen people complaining about a game being too difficult reading reviews of hollow knight the people who gave it the lowest usually talk about a bosses being "too difficult " or that they get lost and it's not fun, I don't like looking for things out of desperation I'd do it (like one game I have to stand 30 seconds to unlock a door) but thinking about possible solution is a great thing, you are forcing yourself to overcome this, I remember playing again Grimm, I spent days trying to beat him and when I did it it was the best sensation in a long time, one thing I couldn't do was the coliseum and that it's my next goal, but I'll start over in my new switch
I remember it took me and my brother weeks to find out how to get into dungeon 6 in Zelda Links awakening on the gameboy. Same with dungeon 8. I cannot even fathom the amount of patience we had back then anymore
hollow knight is the kinda game you cant ruin for yourself because of how much there is outside of important bits you see alot like godhome or the dreamnail, theres still the entire waterways and the fog canyon that go unmentioned
Personally, I agree with this for myself and pride myself on doing things myself in games from puzzles to combat. However, I do not hold others to this same standard. Additionally, after I’ve finished a run through of the game, savoring the experience, I typically further immerse myself then after by looking stuff up. I know at that point, I’m immune to spoilers, so it’s a fun thing to do
I only look things up when I’m finished with a game but still don’t understand what happened (Hollow Knight lore, Undertale’s endings, Rogue Legacy and Rogue Legacy 2’s unique story basis, etc.) or when I’m incredibly stuck on a single stupid puzzle (oh my lord are some of Ocarina of Time’s puzzles difficult).
imo the best way to approach these kind of problems, the devs dind't expect you to 100% the game first try anyways and there's always that one puzzle that took you a week to solve so you had to look it up (but doing it on your own feels more satisfying tho)
Yeah, i finished hollow knight with like 94% completion (1st ending). So i really would have to now go through the whole map, checking every single wall for a secret room to find the extra hidden stuff. I didnt do that, i "spoiled" myself the location of those 4 or so rooms. Also i somehow missed one of the simple keys in an area i already revealed. Finding the key with no help would take even more time.
After dying several times at Pantheon of Sage I just gave up and went to youtube to see the godhome ending
I only luck up answers to puzzles when I reach the point where the frustration I'm feeling outweighs the satisfaction I'd get from solving it myself
"Oh, this game has puzzles? Lets not fucking do them and cry about it"
100% agree with going in blind to any game, especially horror games. 10/10 feeling ecstatic about solving a puzzle as well as going "oh wow it was right there and It only took an hour to solve" XD
I wanted to fight every hollow knight boss in my first playthrough so i looked up their locations. I dont really care about spoilers in games like these, i just wanted to fight every boss. Still my favorite game of all time though. I honestly think without the internet i would have stopped playing this amazing game because i am probably the worst person on earth with directions.
same! I usually like to try stuff until things aren't fun and then try and get help looking up things. I feel like it really is just a different way to experience games. Then again I'm someone who's pretty chill about spoilers, I try to avoid them but I feel like experiencing something with knowledge of a spoiler beforehand can sometimes enhance an experience
You kind of need to explore everything anyway though and you have a map, dont know how you would get lost.
He just said the reason...
but you don't need any sense of direction, you can always check the map every seconds and just go to random unlocked map
I remember looking up a ton of information on DS1 and Bloodborne just to make it through, and I had a good time, but DS2 still holds a special place in my heart because I didn't jump to guides until I knew I was in the endgame and wanted to find stuff I missed. Same with DS3 but to a lesser extent. I also never attempted any pre-determined builds in any of the games and just leveled up based on what weapons or magic I wanted to wield at that given moment and being forced to work up to that cool weapon or armor I wanted to wear and finally getting it after hours of grinding was good too. I don't think it's inherently wrong to ask for help when you're stuck, but I do wish more people would try to work through the problems in front of them in their own ways since it makes for a much more unique gaming experience.
alotr of the time if I just cannot be fucking bothered to think about a puzzle and I just wanna chill I just look up answers to puzzles it prevents me from raging, it's really a subjective thing
The only time I’ll ever look up a guide is when I am truly utterly and completely stuck
The buildup to Nosk I will never forget, I remember how oblivious I was thinking "ah this couldnt be a threat in any way, shape or form" but the sheer FEAR I felt as soon as he started to break and twitch his body transforming I will never forget. I just feel bad for people that spoil the game for themselves, especially Nosk.
I personally really try to not use a guide too. If there is one which I have no idea of solving then I search up the area and look for a walkthrough so I don’t know how many parts are still left, but in my opinion a not spoiled game makes the best experience you could have. I went in portal 2 blind and it was amazing discovering the puzzles by myself and the story.
I get your point, but starting Undertale without knowing that you should be trying Pacifist from the start is a miserable experience.
I remember when I was playing Hollow Knight, I did get a few things (specifically bosses) spoiled for me. But when my friend was playing Hollow Knight at my house, I was guiding him through the game, but also spoiling nothing, and he never looked anything up for himself. He said that having someone guide him through the game while having nothing spoiled was probly the best experience he could've had.
I really think hollow knight is a game that is super easy to get stuck on. Yes it's not ideal to have to look something up, but without someone to walk you through it sometimes you have to. I've literally done the same thing where I sit with my friend / bf and just watch them and maybe gently nudge them. Like yeah it's probably cooler to just be amazing at the game or suck until u get better but if you barely missed a bench right before a fight it might be nice to have someone help to keep that from happening.
I agree looking up answers is usually bad, but sometimes being able to get *hints* is good. Especially for some of your examples, where just knowing “not a glitch” would be good. Because glitches *happen.* My first playthrough of the original Portal, my graphics settings were messed up somehow, and all the glass looked opaque. It’s surprisingly easy to play a lot of the game that way, not realize it’s not supposed to have frosted glass, and miss important parts of the experience.
It's true, that would be ideal. Reddit's the wrong place to get "not a glitch" as an answer, unfortunately.
This is why the best thing you can do is have a friend who has also played through to sort of guide you honestly. I know it’s not always achievable but it sure does help sometimes
i wish I could loose my memory about my friend spoiling DDLC to me
I think that to each their own. There are instances when spoilers doesn't matter that much or even more: When you know before hand that something is going to happen it will be all about how that exact thing is going to happen, what leads to that certain point, and so on. But in some cases when all the fun is in finding out stuff like in Zelda: TOTK, Outer Wilds, Twelwe Minutes, and some other games like that, it is all about finding out yourself, the fun CAN be ruined. Then again, some parts of an older Zelda games is so hard to figure out it becomes just frustrating and can simply make you waste hours trying to figure out stuff and never make it.
I am in the process of playing Hollow Knight blind! It’s incredible! I downloaded a week ago and have easily put in 20+ hours since… so happy I’m going into it without spoilers. I even had a few videos pop up I thought looked fun, like “forcing my girlfriend to play hollow knight.” I just bookmarked them and named them “After Hollow Knight.” The day I finish the game will be a day of many hollow knight KZhead videos….
Did you finish it?
Awesome!! I only had to look up where to go twice, you'll love it. Dont spoil ending or anything
Absolute fucking gigachad, i love when people experience stuff like this, hopefully you have a great time delving into the HK community
I question why people look up before playing like "oh would this even be worth it" no just find out lmao!
I loved playing Hollow Knight Blind, however some of the content like "forcing my girlfriend to play hollow knight" was extremely uncomfortable -exactly because it wasn't a blind experience. Someone forcing their experience onto someone else.
Breath of the Wild was the game that taught me just how much looking stuff up can ruin a gaming experience. I went into the game completely blind and I only bought it because it was one of like 3 games on Switch at launch. Figuring out the puzzles and simply exploring the world all on my own made it feel like *I* was presonally discovering all of this stuff. If I couldn't figure something out, I'd go exploring in the area or talk to nearby NPCs to see if they could clue me in. It felt super immersive to try and figure things out using only the tools presented to me within the game world itself. It was so cool the first time I realized I could equip the flame sword to keep myself warm in the cold regions instead of eating the peppers. I never looked anything up for that game and ended up having one of my greatest gaming experiences of all time as a result. All of my friends played the game by looking everything up the second something became difficult, and while I'm sure they enjoyed the game very much, I feel like they really soured their own experience as a result.
Yeah sometimes the best advice for a piece of media is to never look it up. Same with The Good Place which is a show. I initially didn’t wanna watch it but heard it’s good, just DON’T read anything about it. They were right, it was amazing.
The only thing I have searched for un botw aré the koroks because I'm not gonna check every single spot in the game until I get them all
Definitely amazing. I played botw when it launched knowing nothing about Zelda and it was peak. The funnest thing is I even didn't know how to use the mission locater on the map and I spent so many hours searching for the Divine Beast locations.
the only things i searched up in that game were 3 things: location of the last 2 great fairy fountains (cuz fk that lol), and ways to farm arrows. i’m really glad i searched up the second thing, because it led me to doing the tarrey town quest (i also used a guide for that quest, cuz i knew there was gonna be so much backtracking and i didn’t wanna bother - that’s my 3rd search). botw is one of the best games i’ve ever played. waiting for a discount or smth for totk lol
For me the game that made me realise that spoiling myself was not a good idea is Dark Souls. Not that I checked for guides or ask questions, but after playing DS3 (yeah, I played that one first) I read and watched a shit ton of Dark Souls lore to the point where Dark Souls 1 wasn't really new for me, which sucks because I regret doing that to this day.
Yeah I'm one of those people that looks things up. I beat Half-Life 1 and the first 3 Splinter Cell games by following a guide to a tee (Shoutout to BigMacDavis and Centerstrain01). Those games still became some of my favorite games of all time. I don't do it for every game, but sometimes it's the only thing that motivates me to finish a game. I also tend to replay the same games over and over again rather than explore new ones. This also spreads to other forms of media like movies and TV shows (I don't spoil films/shows for myself but i tend to re-watch them multiple times instead of watching something new). I'm willing to bet there's a bigger issue within me that causes me to be like this, but it is what it is.
Refusing to look up help no matter what. I like how you think. I do it sometimes but usually it’s after multiple failures and confusion. Those shrines on breath of the wild get me sometimes, but a lot of times if I’m patient and wander around a while, I get it. Cool video.
high quality commentary and editing, and straight to the point. Surprised you don't have more subs, keep it up
I used to watch all of your skyblock videos like 2 years ago good times 😢
I'm sure they'll be growing soon in time, if they keep this kind of content up.
wow, cant believe you are here
god what the fuck it keeps coming back to it
My problem note is that I always want to find everything. This ends to me running around instead of following the story and following the game. And that’s also my biggest problem with open world games.
I don't think that's a bad thing at all though; if an open-world game _doesn't_ make you want to go off the beaten path it generally means they haven't made the world interesting or exciting enough
Trying to be a completionist can really ruin a game experience and it's often something I need to protect myself from. I give myself a pass in looking stuff up if I'm close to getting all of it but I still need like 1 to have all of them so I can unlock something, but these days I try to force myself to just not bother with getting everything, as it really kills the excitement. Tears of the Kingdom ends up being a surprising antidote to this. In some way it's an utter completionists nightmare as there's just constantly so many things to do, everywhere and all of the time. Most of the time there's several things in sight to do or collect and by the time you get to any of them you've come across several more. It's so much that it turns back on itself and just makes me feel it's fine to miss stuff.
Ok, since this just happened and i still have this video on my mind i want to mention a videogame experience that kind of goes against this video. Exploring in a game, clear chest ive figured out how to get to behind blank wall, try hitting it, explosives, nothing. Look it up, all i need to do it press A against the wall. Not something the game comunicates, its very vague about everything
To be fair, it's completely fine to ask while playing metroidvania if you just suck at platforming or if this place is supposed to be visited later. And in that example, I would just say "Go somewhere else, come back later" Same thing with boss fights, it's fine to ask of you're not skilled enough, you can't see the pattern or if you're too early. But asking about every single thing can be obnoxious. And it can spoil your fun. But that ladder part is heavily dependant on answers you'll get. And when it comes to mass hysteria subreddits, it's fun to pretend sometimes that world you live in is just a tiny bit a little bit less cruel