Can Chelsea’s season be considered a relative success? | ESPN FC Extra Time
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Kay Murray, Shaka Hislop, Steve Nicol and Gab Marcotti answer your questions on ESPN FC Extra Time.
0:00 Steve is having a tough week
2:12 Gab discusses Ralf Rangnick
4:58 Can Gab sell Steve on Slot perpetuating the winning Liverpool had under Klopp?
7:53 Can Chelsea’s season be called a success?
15:02 Who is Shaka supporting during the Euros?
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Chelsea finished 12th last season, if they finish 6th and secure Europa League qualification, then that's definitely a "relative success" to where they were last season, and this season where they had a ridiculous injury crisis every single game week this season. It's literally a huge Improvement and they'll go into next season with a more stable headspace, more experienced players, and more confidence in the project.
Gab dismissing Chelsea’s injuries because they’re “mostly coming from the back”, is the most unintelligent comment said on a futbol show. I’m glad Stevie put him in his place.
Exactly coming from an intelligent journalist 😂
@@bobbyemeka1419he isn’t intelligent
Gab 'Narcotics' @@michaelrichardson6125
Gab talks nonsense most of the time.
injuries is not an excuses when your club spend half a billion pounds in 2 transfer window
Thank you Stevie for defending Chels 😂 had Gabs shaking there
Chelsea missing complete first choice back four for most of the season. Reese James, Wesley Fofana, Levi Colwill and Ben Chilwell. Enzo has been playing with a hernia for 5 months, Lavia has only played 32 minutes and the best striker at the club, Christopher Nkunku, who was amazing in preseason has been out nearly all season.
Props to Steve for defending Chelsea. These other pundits are delusional acting like Chelsea should have been in the top 4 with 9-12 injuries every single week, new players, new coach. Loads of youth. Just look at our bench vs Spurs. All youngsters and academy players.
And starting to look like a cohesive team now. Jackson is, for sure, a good player. Shouldn't necessarily be the main striker but why not play him off someone who will be the main striker.
Still had a good team to at least compete with Spurs , some of your games were embarassing, Caicedo and Fernandez have shown nothing for the most of the season, but yes it is good 👍
Caicedo is starting to show his Brighton form. Enzo has been playing with an injury for half the season..not near as dynamic as last half season @@pete7932
Newcastle and manchester United have just as many injuries and they have spent a billion pounds in a year
Chelsea has over 100 quadrillion pounds. Being 8th is disgraceful.
If Chelsea miraculously manage to finish 6th than it can be said that it has been an improvement from the disaster of last season.
They spent 1 billion! They should be walking the league, not scraping 6th place
@@jimmywalker8354thats not how that work.
@@jimmywalker8354what good is 1 billion spent when 8+ of your players are consistently injured and 14 are injured rn??
Looking at remaining schedules Chelsea will not get 6th. Looking at Newcastles last 4 games which are all relegation fodder other than Brighton. Man U have been 6th for a while. I don't see Chelsea catching up.
@@brianb3854Minus SU which are out facing teams fighting to stay is the worst proposition than playing secured in their future in the PL mid-table teams.
Why does Gab always look so pissed off in the corner? 😂
Must hate Chelsea
cause most times he wants to go on more than he's allowed. plus he always feels like he knows more than everyone else
Gab is great
I think he doesn't like small talk, or doesn't like Steve's sob stories.
Because the banter is irelavent and boring to him
Yes, compared to the last season, Chelsea is playing much better this season.
Chelsea is 8th
@@jimmywalker8354still playing much better than last season. Considering this is an entirely new team. Don't matter how much money you put into a team. If you get a bunch of player who are not use to playing each other. This will be the outcome.
No they’re not.
@@jimmywalker8354 Last season we finished 12th.
@@christopherwilliams2351 They are if you watch games properly.
Not Gab mumbling to himself 😅
He was fuming at the end lol
It seems like Gab got flustered halfway thru his argument when he realized Stevie was actually making sense. If they wind up in European places then you can absolutely say this season has been a success, considering the age of the squad, the injuries and the inexperience, finishing in the top 6 is way more than most people (myself included) expected.
I have to back Stevie here, I think Chelsea getting into the European competitions and decent cup runs is a decent season considering the absolute chaos that Poch came into. It would be absolutely ridiculous if those morons in the Chelsea boardroom sack Poch.
The "Liverpool kids" squad was still on average older than Chelsea squad at the end of that cup final. We always forget how young these players are because of the price tag. The high ranks in Chelsea obviously didn't know what they were doing when they were paying that amount of money. So with the given squad, Poch has done a pretty good job, but the club and the business is no where near successful.
Stevie has it in for Gab.
At this point any football fan can replace Marcotti @ ESPNFC
Gab Macortti thinks he knows everything
I think Poch has done an acceptable job and should definitely be given more time. I like our style of play, more so than I did under interim Lampard, or Potter or the tail-end with Tuchel. Tuchel was great for a while but right around when ownership changed his style of play became stale and clunky. I think Chelsea is playing the best we have since around Spring of 2022.
Well said Stevie. Considering how this team was put together, their current situation isn't a surprise. Inconsistency is expected of a mostly young squad, especially when a huge chunk of key players like the entire starting backline, and players that could have made a difference like Nkunku, Lavia and even Carney are mostly unavailable. Losing out in Cup competitions isn't also a bad showing considering the caliber of teams they lost to - Liverpool x City, although most Chelsea fans would feel they could have done better and won those games. The target should be getting Europa, which is feasible if this team can win the rest of their PL fixtures and UTD inevitably drops enough points. Chelsea going into next season need to focus on keeping players fit and get in a few key players, while also getting rid of deadweights
Liverpool you forget that chelsea team also is made of kids even that final liverpool had more experienced players compared to chelsea
They still have their own issues, but Chelsea’s season would be considered a success if they finish 6th or 7th and get European football for next season. They’ve spent a lot of money, this season would be seen as an improvement since last season they finished in 12th place in the premier league and keep in mind the amount of injuries they’ve had in the past 2 seasons. Hopefully getting a European spot next season would be enough for Todd Boehly to not sack Mauricio Pochettino, as they’ve spent a chunk of the season in 10th or 11th place and now they find themselves in 8th place and with 4 games to go they want to finish higher. At the start of the season, you didn’t expect them to finish in the top 4 as many Chelsea fans would be happy enough if they can get European football and build on that by backing the manager and making additions that’d elevate the team. Either the Europa League or the Conference League is the minimum for them. There are still moments where this team is unreliable and inconsistent, they beat Tottenham 2-0 and the next game they’ll drop points as that’s been a cycle for them all season, one game Chelsea are playing excellent football, next game they play well, chaotic and inconsistent and drop points. In terms of the performances they’ve been much better than last season even if it doesn’t reflect in the table and I think they’re better off giving Mauricio Pochettino a little more time. Don’t forget that they got to the FA Cup semifinal and Carabao Cup final in his first season and there’s a possibility that they finish in the top 6 and with a manager like Pochettino, he’s not perfect and he hasn’t gotten everything right, but this is a young team and a long term project you can’t expect success to happen overnight unless you have patience and a strategy in the short term that’ll benefit the future. People have to understand that this is steady progress finishing 12th last season possibly getting European football and that’ll provide a foundation for them to get better and start pushing for the champions league places and it’ll only be a matter of time before you see this team competing for the premier league title again in the near future. There’s still some issues that need to be resolved like getting a striker, a CB, try to strengthen other positions on the field and also the injuries because that’s been their biggest problem in the last 2 seasons and regardless of what you think of them, at best when everyone is healthy, they’re a European team and this team needs to sort out all of these injuries.
Well said. Considering how this team was put together, their current situation isn't a surprise. Inconsistency is expected of a mostly young squad, especially when a huge chunk of key players like the entire starting backline, and players that could have made a difference like Nkunku, Lavia and even Carney are mostly unavailable. Losing out in Cup competitions isn't also a bad showing considering the caliber of teams they lost to - Liverpool x City, although most Chelsea fans would feel they could have done better and won those games. The target should be getting Europa, which is feasible if this team can win the rest of their PL fixtures and UTD inevitably drops enough points. Chelsea going into next season need to focus on keeping players fit and get in a few key players, while also getting rid of deadweights
For me as a chelsea fan, as soon as we got enough points to avoid the relegation zone the season was done for me. I never expected them to be at this position after all the injury crisis. We only have Cole Parma to thank. Europe will be a miracle that I'll take.
It will be inhumanity to sack Pochettino.
I dont think they will, but the speculation will always come with the job
The funniest part is the Chelsea and Poch discussion applies to Man United and EtH, everything they said about Poch can be applied to EtH but one should be sacked and the other had an Ok season or gets a. incomplete grade considering everything else
It's true. It has been unfair. These guys expect too much nowadays.
Honestly as a United fan we are ahead in the table but when Chelsea has played well they have been much more entertaining albeit inconsistent. United has stolen wins off individual brilliance and counterattack to barely get the job done which gives me more worry than Chelsea’s youthful inconsistency with bright spots
What gives me worry is that a coach spent 500 million in 1 window and is still not higher than united!?
@@angelotroseboom1186thats the problem all that money was spent at once. They change the whole entire team. What you think they where going to finish first? 😂😂😂 I bet if you where to change the whole city team in a year they will not finish top 4. Pep been molding the city team for at least 2 season before he even accomplish something. Only foolish people would look at money spent to compare it with performance.
@@angelotroseboom1186 yea but the coach doesn’t set the transfer fees. The front office is signing off on it. Plus you absolutely made out like bandits getting rid of Mason mount 😂😂😂
Another great, great season
Most truthful thing Gab has ever said "I'm kinda trained to be skeptical , it's what i do for a living" 🤣 Aren't you supposed to be trained to be a responsible journalist?
The double standards of gabs is just annoying tbvh!!!
Another thing people don't consider is the increased language barriers at Chelsea through having signed young players from all over the world in a very rapid period. Senior players tend to have been around long enough to have learned the language and also require much less individual coaching. The coaching time with each player is inevitably going to be quite diluted with all this and team cohesion is also harder to build with so many language barriers.
Shaka has to eat his words now on europe hehe
Chelsea did very well in my opinion. With all the injuries also let's not forget they did well against all the big teams.
The big teams are City, Arsenal, and Liverpool. They didn’t beat any of them and were embarrassed by Arsenal and Liverpool.
@historianofmanythings4294 it's the first season of a new team. Why are the rival fans who are asking for more.. when we, as Chelsea fans, who watch and follow our club, know what circumstances the team has been through. We expect the team to do well next season. That's it.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam the lowering of Chelsea’s standards are frankly embarrassing and it’s sad you are going along with this. Most goals ever conceded in Chelsea’s PL history and you’re accepting this? Oh please
@@historianofmanythings4294 utd aren’t a big team? you’re showing your age
@@zidzo11 they don’t play like one is my point. Obviously they’re the biggest team in the league but they stink.
Chelsea need one manager for 3 years to see progress. Poch did good in his first season lets see what happen next season. Next season target should be fighting for top 4 and den next year Chelsea should finish top 4 that’s real goals Chelsea should aim for from the owners
I'd be calling for the sack if he doesn't finish top 4. Depending on injuries ofc. But insane to think we'd miss champions league 3 seasons in a row.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam this is not Chelsea from past . If we get in CL in three years den im happy coz arsenal and man u after der dominate era struggle lot . So Rebuilding is hard look at example Liverpool. So three year is very less time
Gabs reactions 😂
Gab Manicotti be like "Can we get on w/this PLEASE???"
Did Shaka just say Chelsea will not go to Europe... or did I hear wrong? 😮
I would love chelsea to get into Europe just to show how little they actually know, if its not united or Liverpool then they don't have a clue.
For once Nichol had the better of Marcotti. Those injuries 'at the back' have been very important. Most goals we've conceded over a premiership season. Otherwise we'd have been up there with Villa.
Arsenal fan here, Spurs can be classified more as a relative success than Chelsea. Chelsea paid so much money for their players which has upset their balance and locker room. Only 1 of their signings was the absolute success they were hoping the other 11 would be and that's Cole Palmer. He saved their season. I'm sure they will be better next season but for all the money they've spent and where they're finishing + how they're playing, it's shambolic. Meanwhile Spurs bought some decent players for now & the future who have added to the team + there is a clear style of play the manager is building.
The winning of Liverpool? People acting like they won leagues and UCL every other year smh
Gab was NOT having it in the beginning 🤣
FSG are hiring Slot for the exact reason that was outlined i.e. he can work on a small budget. Like Klopp, let's see what his feelings are on the subject when Slot's 'restricted' squad becomes decimated by injuries and fixture pileups. Keeping their wallet closed and walking on a razor's edge is FSG's modus operandi. It worked with Klopp to a certain extent, but there is a distinct possibility, if not a very high likelihood that it won't work out for Slot or any future Liverpool manager (or 'coach' in Slot's case - something that sounds alarm bells) that has to work with FSG and the constraints they'll put upon them.
I’m interested on how they’re going to “relfect”
One of the few times i agreed with stevie. Stevie definitely destroyed gab this time. Gab was mumbling he knew stevie was right
Why are Chelsea’s injuries even a debate. Reece James, Fofana, Lavia, Nkunku, Chukwumeka, Ugochukwo have played maybe 5 games if at all this year. And Chalobah, Chilwell, Colwill, Badashiele, Broja have played maybe 15 games max.
The willingness to ignore utds back line injuries but using chelseas to defend them is just ridiculous
Video starts at 7:50ish
Why is Gab so pissed at the start.....
next segement they will be battering ten hag saying injuries are not an excuse lololol
Poch mismanaged games multiple times this season with wrong players on unnatural positions with players for this positions available , with weird substitutions and wrong tactics for the game ... available players barely improve from last season and gets injured during training or playing 1 game, but 1 win and here we go again - Poch in..
Maybe he did mismanage some games and has made mistakes but its not on him to have had so many injuries and coaching a bunch of inmature kids is no easy feat, now the team is definitely showing progress and he has improved many players, he should be given another season
Shaka is right. Chelsea won't make Europe this season, highly unlikely. Looks like they're destined to finish 8th and I don't think that will be enough to even qualify for Conference league. Relative improvement though yes, 12th to 8th is a +4 in final table and bodes well for season after. Need to give Poch another full season before jumping gun. He's doing a good job so far with the kids they gave him to coach.
Goddamm why has this been posted so late?
Just make sure you have the same energy next year you had towards man utd this year.
Get Stevie on the Gab and Juls podcast 🤣
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Steve Nicol showing how truly thick he is
Shaka has always been anti Chelsea
Why Gab Macorotti looks so angry?
His McDonald's was cold
@@andypandy4607bad day 😂
Gab looks like he about to passout during the first minute+!!!
Thank you for common sense Stevie
This was a transitional season for Chelsea, with so many new young players in the squad. Chelsea are going to be much better next season, i expect them to challenge for the league.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stop day dreaming everyone owns Tottenham
You have spent not enough?
Challenge? What have u seen from this season to suggest we'll be competing against City and Arsenal?
They will not get close if Poch is in charge.
So he defends Chelsea about back 4 not being consistent but when Ten Hag says it it’s not an excuse?
Defending POCH but let's sack ETH...!😂
A joke 🤣🤣...ten hag and united are always fed to the wolves
Chalobah played pretty good tonight, why is he the 27th choice CB when other guys are healthy? Disasi and Badiashile are suspect, Thiago played with Pele and Mudryk is half a trainwreck mixed with whipped cream and butter instead of an actual brain. Oh and I just don't like Sterling
if they had won the carabao alongside a top 8 finish, for sure.
After spending 1 billion??
@@jimmywalker8354 yes as they didn’t buy superstars. use your brain
Go Stevie
Stevie is talking facts but then he doesn't say the same for united when ten hag talks of injuries you guys just troll him ...gab is just saying there is no exception for chelsea cause all the teams have suffered injuries
Someone tell Steve he should be able to print out a temporary drivers license until his replacement comes in.
Gab is extreme Journalist. He always believes in his own philosophy, no matter if he is right or wrong. Just chill out... Let it go. Dont take these arguments very personal.
Stevie always interrupts when someone is answering his question, he can never let them finish as he always has to have the last word, very annoying
I can see both Stevie’s and Gab’s points of view, however Stevie is a massive hypocrite. United have had to deal with a tonne of injuries at the back yet he’s constantly slating ETH even though Utd are currently higher in the table. As a neutral I think both Poch and ETH have been poor this season but can also appreciate the fact they’ve had to deal with a lot of injuries.
You can't coach Badiashile into Sergio Ramos
He won't be Ramos in 2 years but Come on the kid is going to be a good Center back in the future
Can I ask, who exactly does shaka hislop think he is, to ask "relative to success"
Describe Chelsea in 1 word. Potential. Question is will the potential be fulfilled? Or is it all a ruse?
Hislop is so salty right now because now he knows his beloved Newcastle might not make it to Europe and the team he has mostly criticized might just sneak into Europe.
🤔hmm.... can anybody guess which team has the worst injury issue, with over 30 different back 4 partnership so far this season. So Stevie can give a pass to Chelsea but Utd get all kinds of craps from the pundits week in week out
what did shaka win in his life shaka always hating best he just keep quite sometimes
The Coach was inconsistent with his motivation and formation. The coach was the problem all through this season but ur aren’t going to criticize him🤷🏿♂️
Chelsea have a chance to win the FA cup and get European football. If that happens then yes a successful season. If neither happens then it was a disaster because the only player to improve was the one brought in on deadline day
Gab was right
Not as a chance as a Chelsea fan here, 6th-7th & trophyless is simply NOT acceptable especially without European football to play this season. The Argentine clown not only has had poor results but the tactics/style have been mostly lacking despite a full pre season.
Neither Spurs nor Villa had good cup runs pls
Considering Chelsea are premeir league champions and one game away from beating real Madrid in a champions league semi final id say its been a pretty good season
Hahaha at least one person here is logical. With the amount Chelsea spent, they should be walking the PL and reaching UCL SFs... not languishing in midtable obscurity.
@@jimmywalker8354that not how foot ball work you ideot.
Hey Jimmy, can you walk south without holding it
Even the worst Chelsea team in a good few years easily deal with spurs, home and away 😂
Lmao. Spurs didn't have a new squad. How are these guys employed?
Gab 'Narcotics' is not a serious football analyst.
These pundits are the worst I’ve ever heard speak
No. Theyve spent 1b in 2 seasons and have zero trophies.
Gabriel marcotti must be in his undies at home tryna sleep they keep wasting his time 😂 Look at his facial expressions
Getting Old is not F Fun brah don’t laugh at poor Stevie … Gab trying to hold his laugh so hard and wants to say ok guys F with your stories let’s gets going with the show 😂😂😂
It doesn't help that Stevie's diet is terrible. Possibly worse than Gab, even though Gab carries more weight. Compare Stevie to other 60 year Olds and you could guess that he won't have a long life expectancy or the quality of life won't be great.
Man Utd had tons of injuries, a good cup run, a slightly less worse league performance and spent huge amounts of money yet somehow all the arguments that work in Chelsea`s favor don`t apply to Man Utd and they are getting ridiculed. The hypocrisy is unreal.
If you look at the team salaries they correlate perfectly with standings except United and Chelsea.
This is a joke, right? How could it be considered a success after all that money spent, and nowhere near the Top 4? A win against a poor Spurs side doesn’t change the fact it’s been an underwhelming season, which would’ve been even worse if they hadn’t signed Cole Palmer. Can’t use injuries as an excuse as their second string first team is worth more than most teams’ first 11.
@HearszAM Are you forgetting Chelsea finished with only 44 points last season? They have 51 points with 4 matches remaining. Chelsea have actually improved from last season and have never been close to a Top 4 side for several seasons. You need some serious perspective.
In the short term no but in the long term it will be no doubt
Stevie is not defending. Just telling the truth. Without taking any side. Always has been. I am still dumb founded about mr. Hislop. When will you get your head out of the comment of chelsea spending so much? Stevie always does CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Which are from facts . Just bored of the stupid commentsabout spending so much money with no successes. And Gab....please!
If success is coming 8th after spending a billion and zero trophies football is finished
Lmao
He is not the solution either Shaka .
Pls can someone tell which team shaka played because o boy that dude hate Chelsea
Bumcastle United.
0 trophies won this season, 0 success. i'm a chelsea fan but i will not be poisoned by spursy poch into convincing me reaching wembley twice is success 🖕
Gab Marcotti has something against Chelsea. How are the producers allowing him to get away with such unintelligent punditry? Thanks Stevie for being the voice of logic.
Gab is talking nonsense
So you cant Judge poch on this season because of Injuries..but you can judge ETH who has had significantly more injuries and had to rely on two or threee 19 year olds just to get the starting x1 in ..These pundits are shameless and pathetic
But do you really pay attention to the two teams? Man U play a relegation threatening Burnley and Burnley gets 53% possession, 16 shots. Chelsea play against a top 4 Villa and Chelsea gets 72% possession, 21 shots. Chelsea play away but Man U play at home. This is ETH second season, he was 3 in his first and now 6th. Its Poch's first and at 8th from 12th last season. Is ETH really improving?
Chelsea have not had less than 6players out each press conference 2 players get injured they comeback setbacks 2starters haven't touched pitch at all
Chelsea has had far more injuries. What are you on about? And arguably more important injuries.
Chelsea had the worst injury record out of all the prem teams. There's always at least 8-10 players out each game. And happens to be elite ones out ffs
Gab, you sweat-glazed donut… in the espnfc episode immediately proceeding, this, he rips into Chelsea with oversimplification and assumptions, in his typical, smug, smartest guy in the room attitude.
Chelsea bought players for 1.1 billion euros since summer 2022, and than there is even a question if the season was ok!???? Totally lost!
Real football isn't like playing fifa on ps. You can't just chuck 15-20, very young new players together and expect them to click instantly. The project is clearly flawed but even if it wasn't, nothing would have seriously been expected from the team this season, it's not how football works.
@@joebossendorfer4482if that was the case than you shouldn't be too harsh on ten hag, it doesn't matter if they are youngsters you can't spent 1.1 billion in 2 season and not compete for top 4
Bruh with that amount of spending, they should be walking the league. Can you imagine if Pep was scraping 8th place after spending that amount?
@joebossendorfer4482 all of you using the defense of "they bought young players" are making it sound like there is a rule by the EPL that forces Chelsea to buy only young players,,,they voluntarily did that ffs,so in the records it says a billion was spent full stop. And if a billion is being allowed to buy 8th then that's standards in the bin for sure!!
@@charlesnkomo4148 I also said it was a clearly flawed project.....