Best motorcycle jeans | Single layer vs lined: THE TRUTH
There's been a lot of hype about single-layer jeans recently. They're lighter and cooler than motorbike pants lined with Kevlar or other aramids, but are they really as safe? Is it true that some single-layer jeans are more abrasion-resistant than leather? Who should you trust?
We speak to a leading scientist and carry out extensive real-world and lab tests to find out the truth: are single layer motorcycle jeans good, or is a pair of Kevlar-lined jeans the safest? We also find out if normal jeans are okay for a motorcycle...
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Chapters
00:00 All revenue goes to charity
00:49 Why you can trust this research
02:19 How motorcycle clothing is tested: B, A, AA & AAA
05:05 'Official CE slide times'
05:52 A scientist explains abrasion
07:39 The Cambridge abrasion test machine
08:13 Kevlar does NOT degrade when washed
09:14 UHMWPE in motorbike jeans
10:36 Sheer force / skin sheer injuries
13:15 Finding the best motorcycle riding jeans
16:51 Real-world jeans crash test
18:56 Why armour is vital
19:25 Why normal jeans are NOT safe
20:41 Why EN17092 helps you stay safe
21:23 Single-layer vs lined jeans vs leather: Lab test results
23:48 Trust the label, not the sales person
24:53 What motorcycle jeans should YOU wear?
29:15 The nightmare VFR800!
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I see Motolegends have posted a new video on single layer vs kevlar jeans and if it was a response to this video, then frankly it's disappointing. No technical data to back up their previous claims, but instead the focus now is on how horrendously uncomfortable (in their opinion) lined jeans are to wear. What's far more disappointing however is the fact that they (the chap in the cap) are deleting any posts that question the safety of single layer jeans, or are negative about the products they sell. I had no idea posters could delete comments and initially thought I was going mad as a few sensible comments left on there - 1 linking to this video and another giving Hood Jeans the thumbs up over single layer jeans, suddenly disappeared. A quick Google search later into whether posters can delete comments and I can only conclude that Motolegends are deleting anything that questions their products and their sales patter. The reality that this is how they operate has just lost them a customer, I actually own a pair of Rokkers I bought from them last year and also a pair of Hood jeans. I won't lie, the Rokkers are a bit more comfortable as they're obviously thinner, but since watching John's excellent video, I'll only ride in my Hood jeans, which are not at all uncomfortable so far. I had intended to visit the Motolegends shop as I need to replace my lid and jacket, but definitely won't be now. I would have posted this on their channel, but it no doubt would have been deleted. Thank you to BikeSocial for all the excellent reviews, most of my kit, locks etc have been bought off the back of watching them, if only this latest video had been made before I shelled out £350 on a pair of what I was led to believe were the ultimate jeans for protection on a bike!
Hiya... cheers for this! Yes, I've watched it and I was surprised how reasonably balanced it is in the most part. It's quite sensible, though I would say that there ARE higher standards than EN17092 AAA, and they're EN13595 Level 1 and Level 2. These will be going soon, but should hopefully be replaced by the (optional) BS13595, which should allow buyers to better compare top-end products. The A, AA and AAA ratings really are a good thing to help buyers, and they were rightly brought into law to stop brands and sellers making unsubstantiated claims of safety. Unfortunately though, with AAA being relatively easy to achieve, some are using wording that infers there is nothing better, for example making out that any product rated AAA is inherently as protective as something like quality race leathers, for instance. Also, while the weight shown of the Hoods was close to what I measured (1,880g with armour), I wish I'd measured the Rokkers before I cut them up because the AAA-rated Roadskin Taranis jeans that I've reviewed weighed 1,360g with armour. Those jeans are also proof that AAA-rated single-layer jeans DO NOT have to cost more than lined jeans, so there's more choice there for people: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/textile-jackets-trousers-suits/roadskin-taranis-jeans However, I was pleased to see that the spurious 'slide times' went pretty much unmentioned, and there were no more claims of single-layer being 50% more abrasion resistant than leather, or of Kevlar being degraded by washing. I think people can now make their own choices hopefully. Yes - comments can either be deleted, or accounts can be blocked entirely. It's interesting watching the ones that are being deleted (though you can still screen-grab them before they go), but it's their channel and they can do as they wish. As you'll see in the comments here, we try to leave criticism in and address it if we can, but we do block spam, hate-speech and personal attacks on us or our contributors. You can also set up auto filters to hide suspect comments (sometimes KZhead gets it right, sometimes not), then these are put in a folder for reviewing. I try to go through these every day, and do what I can to cover them. I think Motolegends looks like a great shop overall and I really like what it does to encourage people to ride; we put all their breakfast mornings in our events pages, though sadly I doubt I'd be welcome. Still, it does seem strange for a company that states it won't sell lined jeans to criticise a company that chooses not to make single-layer jeans. Like you, I prefer to make a judgement based on science and data. I'd prefer to see people informed, rather than influenced. We won't always get it right, but it really makes no odds to me what people buy. I wear single layer jeans, and I wear lined jeans. I don't tend to wear leather much, despite knowing it's usually even safer than my lined jeans! All the very best and thanks again, John
You can get a lot more data at the BikeSocial site, here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/textile-jackets-trousers-suits/what-best-motorcycle-riding-jeans-kevlar-pekev-covec
Thanks for the reply John. I agree 100%, get the facts out there and let everyone choose. As almost all of my riding involves 40+ miles a day on the motorway I want the maximum protection possible in the event I go down the road, which is why I'll almost always opt for my Hood jeans until a legitimately equal single layer jean comes along. I appreciate Motolegends are a business, have products to sell and have chosen to stand by certain ones, such as single layer jeans, and I've no doubt they're right that one day lined jeans will be a thing of the past. I'm just quite disappointed with their approach to this, but as you rightly say, it's their channel and their choice which comments they keep or remove. All the best
@@davuspg No worries. When I see complete and scientific proof that single layer jeans match the abrasion resistance of decent leather across their entire construction, I'll stop wearing lined jeans. Until then, I'll make my own choices. Also, while some stores might claim to be the leaders in promoting safety, I think the shops that allow you to search by A, AA or AAA rating, as well as by ECE22.05 or 22.06 for helmets, are doing much more for riders. Urban Rider and Sportsbikeshop come to mind, but I'm sure others do this too - maybe a way to assess a seller before you buy? It's just about allowing people to make their own, informed choices.
Had the same outcome, when I questioned the "chap in the cap" about my own Hood Jeans experience. Comments deleted, now blocked. I guess money rules over truth, surprise that :-)
I came off my Honda Blackbird on May 7th 2022. I live in Ireland. I was travelling on the M7 motorway from Dublin to Limerick. About 0700h, daylight, weather was good, dry about 10degC. I was going quite fast when it felt like the front wheel tucked under and next thing I know I am tumbling down the motorway. I was very lucky not to hit anything except the road. I spent the day in hospital. Plenty of cuts and bruises and a broken left hand (because my gloves flew off in the impact )and what feels like a broken rib. I was wearing Hood K7/AAA jeans with the Ghost T5 X 3DO armour, and I was wearing them because of this KZhead video. I thank my lucky stars I watched this and ordered the jeans in April. Cost me GBP196 (with a Tee shirt) and they are now ruined (firemen cut them off after asking permission) but they did their job. The right leg of the jeans was holed at the knee but the left leg was unblemished. The only leg injuries I had were grazes on my knees, I assume more from friction burns than the road. I recommend them! I will be buying another pair when I'm healed, and Hood want my old pair back to examine them. Thank you John at Bennetts and thank you Hood Jeans.
I'm really sorry to hear about the crash, but genuinely relieved you're relatively okay! All the best, John
Thanks for the real world feedback. And for still riding a Black bird! Not many of them around these days in my part of the world. Knowing you are ok, how is the bike after your wee excursion?
@@BobJones20001 RHS is knackered but the left is fine. Bike didn't flip. Not sure yet if anything critical is damaged. I still can't use my hands so no chance to rip it apart to find out. My recommendation is don't crash, it hurts. 😁
Thanks for sharing Jeremy, glad Your relatively OK for such a accident
This comment in its self is better than most reviews. I've considered Hood before but fancied the mono layer jean instead. Now i'm not so sure about that idea.
This is one of the purest examples of responsible journalism in todays day and age of noise and deflection. Amazing stuff man, pls take a bow.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Leather, leather, leather. Leather SLIDES, doesn't heat up as much as aramids, doesn't "grab" pavement like fabrics do, but in the Western US in simmer (sic) it's hot, you sweat (silk underwear helps) good leathers are VERY expensive (12 oz. or more) and heavy and require maintenance. I've crashed an F-1 bike at about 185 MPH and slid 600+ feet (200 meters) into the hay bales, got up, lost no skin, walked over, got a new helmet, didn't have any skin burns from the slide, picked-up my evil old TZ-750, push started it and finished my heat race. Good enough test for me. Before most of you were conceived, but I've been street riding since 1967 and got my million mile award last fall from the AMA for AMA touring, all on sportbikes.
incredible story, thanks for sharing it. Do you have a recommendation in the US for reasonable leather pants for daily road riding?
As a new rider, looking for protective gear and clothing was so damn confusing. Its so hard to separate the marketing from the science, and I had to spend so much time to research what works for my intended style of riding (Road commute vs Track racing). Sure its good to know things, but international standards NEEDS to be more clear and communicated better to us consumers. Great video!
Standards are written in a language that’s targeted at standards users and as such they are not “consumer-friendly.” That’s why I’ve been pushing for clear information to be made available to riders, and to their credit John Milbank, Emma Franklin (Motorcycle News), and Tony Hoare and Martin Fitz-Gibbons (both ex-MCN and now working for Sportsbikeshop) have taken the challenge. I applaud you, @Pauly New Buns, for diligently conducting your own research. The information *is* out there, but it needs to be distilled from the error-ridden and commercially-biased content that populates the World Wide Web. Work is ongoing with the objective of creating a central resource which will provide clear, accurate, dependable information to consumers, journalists and the supply chain.
Especially when riding jeans can cost upwards of $300. You want to know if you’re actually paying for a highly protective garment.
@@keltecdanId rather go with motorcycle pants (black ones) than jeans.
@@nihonkokusai Which ones do you like, and how protective are they? Thanks
@@Yowzoe I dont trust the Jeans actually and I fell already with traditional motorcycle pants and got unharmed away on my legs
Your tests are the only ones I trust 100% as they are never less than honest.
Thanks very much - really appreciate that! Please do help spread the word as I really want to see how much we can make for charity with this. Cheers, John
So true. Real, unbiased and thorough consumer journalism. Something we, the people, are highly deprived of today. Big kudos to Bennets 😇🙏🏻👍🏻
He certainly gives you a lot to think about. 👍
@@bennettsbikesocial If there were an Honest Trailers channel for motorcycle related equipment, minus the funny voice over, this would be it. 🤔
When he asked about his mate getting away fine from his fall, but he himself getting a nasty scratch and the expert responding, my jaw just dropped, this is just incredibly good journalism, it just highlights how deprived we have been of it
Pro cyclists sometimes crash at over 50mph in lycra and get up, finish the race and continue the next day with burns dressings. Personally, having had a few dings from cycling, motocross and road riding, I wear all the gear all the time. Seeing kids riding scooters in shorts, no gloves and bare feet makes me cringe.
I was wearing good kit. Came off at 40 km. Broke my ribs, back and pelvis. Kit was not damaged. Shit happens. Nice presentation
Hope you're okay now! Cheers, John
Holy shit, how qualified is this guy? He does video editing and filming (content creation), he builds mechanical rigs (mechanical engineering), and builds circuits (electrical engineering)?
Jack of all trades, master of none! Cheers, John
When I was a motorcycle cop 40 years ago, I had wool jodhpurs which worked very well the few times I went sliding down the road; not only did they protect my legs from road rash, the wool weave barely showed any abrasion!
I have some wool blend riding jodhpurs I picked up as army surplus, they seem super hard wearing. I use them as winter (bi)cycling gear. I have a super thick pair of leather overpants from Vanson I use on the (motor)bike. I'd take the jodhpurs over street jeans any day, though.
Holy cow, the depth and effort that you put into this research is nothing short of amazing. Bar none, this is the most informative, well-researched video on this topic that I've ever found. I was on the fence between the John Doe Stroker (lined) or Defender Mono (single layer), and this video has definitively answered that question.
This is definitely the most comprehensive video I've ever seen on motorcycle jeans. Thank you for making this. I hate to admit I never really thought about safety ratings for jeans and don't even know if they exist in the USA. I'm off to do some research.
Sincerely appreciate your time for delving into the details and educating us about the factors at play here. Love this video and all the others like it you've made! Thank you!
Thanks very much! All the best, John
This dude is just brilliant at these. Great to have proper references and science behind it all. Decent bit of work. Thanks for all the effort you put in. Outstanding.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Thank you for all your effort to keep us safe. Really appreciate the work you have put in; especially the way you have examined currently ignored variables like skin sheer. Those injuries can result in limb-threatening compartment syndrome and as such, warrant increased attention.
Thank you so much! I must admit I had to Google compartment syndrome. All the best, John www.nhs.uk/conditions/compartment-syndrome/
Skin shear mitigation by motorcyclists’ clothing has been known about since the mid-1980s. Dr Woods first described the phenomenon in those terms in the early 1990s, when he spoke of the role of linings in providing “shear force interception”. A few vendors have understood the issue and have taken appropriate steps in garment design to address it, but most seem oblivious and some ridicule the topic. As Dr Hurren states in the video, the severity of skin shear injuries generally isn’t significant, but as you have pointed out, Dr Russell, serious and severe complications *can* develop.
What a great video! Looking forward to the textile test! I appreciate the time and effort it takes to do something like this. Thank you!
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Fantastic information as always. I wear Bullit jeans with covec lining with hip and knee protection. Cool in summer warmish in winter.
Finally, a channel that does truly comprehensive, unbiased analysis work. Thank you. We're all grateful for your work.
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
Thanks John. Excellent and comprehensive review with some spot on advice on what to look for when buying jeans. Looking forward to the textile review also.
The quality of the content is superb every time. Comprehensive, fair, transparent and delivered with charisma and in an interesting manner. Thank you very much!
Thanks so much - that's really kind! All the best, John
Fantastic! I own a single layer pair which I nearly always wear and an old pair of Hood jeans that have been languishing in the back of my wardrobe for about three years. Time to dig out the Hoods!
Honesty and truth are so rare these days. Thanks for going to such great lengths to provide everyone with these results. You have excellent and very valuable information.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Thank you for taking the time and energy to do this work and to make these videos. Very much appreciated. Oh... And after doing my own research last year, Hood was my go-to brand of riding jeans. Love that company =)
I'm from Oklahoma, 66 and a long time rider. Just found your channel and subbed. Looking forward to catching up with your content. So far, I'm very impressed
This is exactly the deep dive information that I need to make an informed decision. Please keep up with these videos. Cheers
Thanks very much! All the best, John
That homemade test rig reminded me of a test I saw in a magazine back in the 80s - where they tested different gear from the back of a pick-up truck on an arm that dropped it to the pavement. Backing the material being tested was 50lbs of chalk - so as soon as it was worn through it would leave a line of chalk on the pavement and then they measured the distance from the start marker to the chalk line. Plain denim lasted only a few feet, leathers were best by a long shot, and textiles were somewhere in the middle. Some searching shows it was the Cycle September '88 issue. It was super creative real-world testing and showed that the textiles were closing the gap and a viable alternative to full leathers.
Thank you so much for doing this. I am a new rider and am grateful for any information regarding safety, especially when it comes to clothing. Motorcycle equipment is not cheap and this will reduce the chance of me wasting money.
I appreciate your unbiased factual input. Being a northern Alberta Canada rider “heat” while riding isn’t really a concern. So thanks for steering me toward the lined jeans instead of the more fashionable single layer.
I love your research standards & honesty! Also how you call out bogus reps & manufacturers!
Thanks so much! We honestly just want people to be able to make informed decisions when buying. Cheers, John
Absolutely love these reviews, the only trustworthy advice I've found out there, thanks for the hard work 👍
Thanks! Have a great weekend, John
Brilliant video as always. So nice to have honest, unbiased information on safety gear!
Thanks very much! All the best, John
You got my sub with this video. New rider looking for gear and it’s insanity out there. Thank you for your thoroughness and integrity. Helps to eliminate so much guesswork and confusion.
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Another great video John, your reviews are awesome and truly informative, well done and thanks for sharing so much important information to everyone interested in biking!! 👍👍
Thanks very much! All the best, John
I wore lined and armored jeans. The main point of impact when I went down was my right hand and knee, at least that's where all the damage was on my gloves and pants. The heavier and thicker jeans were annoying to wear but I regret nothing. Riding can be a dangerous activity, imo it's worth sacrificing a tiny bit of comfort for safety.
Your test are the best and most informative without being boring or ott. Excellent stuff John looking forward to your next video
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
Thank you so much for doing the hard work and research and sharing that with us. I love motorcycle jeans and have shared in your frustrations.
Bit late to the party on this. Like most at this time of year I’ve been perusing bike kit to scratch the motorcycle itch in prep for spring. I was totally confused by all the jeans ratings till I watched your video. Thank you for all your efforts in all your videos- you truly are the Yoda of motorcycling kit and accessories 👊
Be that I cannot, but thanks! All the best, John
Phenomenal video John. A massive amount of work went into this and it's hugely helpful to me as a 49 year-old beginner to motorbikes. I also really enjoy your heartfelt, enthusiastic and down-to-earth delivery, no matter what the topic. Fantastic and important work you're doing. Sending much gratitude and respect your way.👍
Thanks so much, that's really kind. Welcome to riding, and do feel free to drop me a line at Bennetts if you ever need any help. All the best, John.
I have only been riding 3 years and still learning this info is always welcome.
@@Scarletsb0y we're all always learning! Cheers, John
Many thanks for the offer John. Moved to near Almeria in Spain last July so am in a good spot for learning. Currently restricted to my 2021 Honda CB125R (which I adore) until I hopefully get my full licence this summer. Cheers again.
Love to see another testing video from you - always so meticulous and precise in terms of the experiments and resesrch done. Thank you so much for the info.
Thanks for watching! All the best, John
Great video, yet again!! Looking forwards to the textile test. It would be really interesting to see how all faberics compair to each other: Leather, textile, Jeans, New vegan "leather" alternative, etc...
35 ish years ago i came off a bike wearing normal jeans, a tea shirt and a green bomber jacket, cost me a kidney, plenty of other internal damage and a fair amount of skin. Now thinking about getting back onto a bike you better believe i found this vid because I'm hunting for proper gear to wear this time! This channel and FortNine have been very helpful so far so keep it up, I was already looking at Hood jeans because I'm really tall (36" inside leg) and they have extra long leg lengths on their website so I'm happy they did well.
Sorry to hear about that, but glad your getting back into biking. All the best, cheers, John. PS FortNine can be great, but don't go too much with the security and locks advice from there.
I questioned my sons recent purchase of lined kevlar jeans as i believed an unlined brand promoted by a well known outlet were better. Thank you!
Thanks for your time and effort in producing this, well done a real service to all motorcyclists.
Thanks very much! Have a great weekend, cheers, John
I feel so blessed that I discovered this channel before my bike arrives next week. Amazing work! Merry Christmas for 2023!
Thanks so much, and a Merry Christmas to you too... enjoy your bike! Cheers, John
I crashed from about 70km/h with Hood Jeans. Older model without comfort liner, just the aramid. No armor either. Well, the denim was toast. Aramid held. Still I had wounds of size about 2€ coin on both knees - apparently caused by friction through the aramid liner. So, I recommend using armor. Or at least stick a scrap of leather there as a extra layer to absorb friction. Later on, after sweating half a summer in textile pants, I purchased another pair.
Glad you were okay! Cheers, John
In order for Slide TIMES; even if measured in a properly consistent and repeatable rig, to translate reliably to actual crash performance; there has to be some a priori assumption that the friction between the garment sample and the belt is fairly consistent across widely differing classes of garments. Even 20 second slide-time-until-wear-through, wouldn't help much, if you haven't shed any speed at all over the course of those 20 seconds..... That's not just me being pedantic. Anecdotally, riders in textiles slide further on track than riders in leathers.... The researchers interviewed in the video likely have better data wrt friction between asphalt/chipseal and various classes of materials. Even if abrasion was the only concern, slide-starting-speed, or energy dissipated, not time, is what should be focused on. In a real world filled with hard, immovable barriers which are dangerous at motorcycle getoff speeds, there will, in addition to abrasion resistance, also be an optimal friction coefficient for protective gear: High enough to stop you quickly, yet not so high that it causes excessive, injury causing, tumbling. Being a bit of a cynic, on account of experience with standardised so-called "scientific" mandates in other areas; I suspect this is exactly the "problem" the textile makers wants regulators to "fix" for them by a "suitably designed" "standard:" Textiles simply aren't even remotely as all-around good as proper leather for crashing on a bike. And also, once friction gets as high as competition-leather-against-pavement: Then craftsmanship; as in seam strength and placement; how tight the garment fits in order not to bunch; how well marketing-desired tiny armor pieces resists being pulled out of the way under strain on the garment resulting from a crash-and-slide etc., becomes a big deal. IOW: It becomes very difficult to get even remotely close to the performance of proper, well constructed and fitted leathers. Cheap-to-have-made-overseas, flappy and fashionable textiles, simply don't compare at all. Making really good textiles "may" conceptually be possible; but doing so would require fine, labor intensive tailoring and highly sophisticated design, materials choices and workmanship. Not just a fancy brand on a fundamentally cheap suit slapped together to game a rather sloppy test.
Really interesting and appreciate the effort you put into making your videos & most of all the honesty. Keep them coming and keen to see the textile review. 🤙🏼
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
Very good informed and objective video that covers the important testing requirements. I have ordered two pairs of AAA rated jeans from a couple of manufactures to try the fit after watching.
I'm doing my DAS next month and was about to buy some single layer jeans under the impression they were safer than normal motorcycle jeans. This video is fantastic.
Hope the test goes well... enjoy yourself! Cheers, John
For more info, check out our full motorcycle jeans buying guide: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/textile-jackets-trousers-suits/what-best-motorcycle-riding-jeans-kevlar-pekev-covec
Thanks, John. Your safety tests are invaluable - the only truthful KZhead reviews of clothing’s protection.
This content is the reason why I am subscribed to this channel. Great video, always appreciated.
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
An absolutely brilliant review. Invaluable information. Many thanks!
I think your comment at 19:00 was key to this topic. Having tested my own pair of Knox jeans with a 40kmh off, I believe it was the knee armour that saved me from serious injury ( I landed on my right knee). I was limping for a week or two, but no long term effects. Now whenever I am tempted to ride with my ordinary jeans, I think about where I would be if it wasn't for those armour pads. Abrasian and skin rashes hurt, but they heal. Busted knees or hips, not so easy especially for us older blokes. Thanks for the video - you put a lot of work into that. 👍🇦🇺
Thanks, and glad you're okay!
I think I know how you feel. I hit a guard rail at 40mph in the knee. In my case, didn't hurt my knee at all (well, I had a sharp shock of pain, but no bruising, limp, or damage after). In the same crash I did break a few bones in a foot and shattered a wrist though. All healed up now, except my wrist is acting a little weird. The armor saved my knee, and the garments kept me from having any open wounds. The breaks suck, but it wasn't that bad because of the gear.
Great video, I appreciate a proper, unbiased, test. Like you I chose Hood jeans, here in the UK heat isn't usually any problem, but even in a warmer climate I'd choose protection as the first priority. I think the Air Ambulance services in the UK are deserving of the money from this video.
You have protections priorities that must be balanced in Texas and a lot of the U.S. during the summer months. Heat stroke and/or dehydration is a possibility.
You were able to cut through the marketing hype and explain things very well. I give you 5 out of 5 stars for your dedication in trying to do the testing yourself. Thank you!
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Incredibly informative. Nice work!
Great video. I ride in leathers or AAA lined jeans and was wondering about the single layer jeans. Think I’ll stick to AAA lined jeans for now.
As usual sir you have exceeded expectations. I'm sure I'm backed up here when I say a huge huge thankyou!
Thanks so much for watching! Cheers, John
This is fantastic! Well done and thank you for the extensive work you have put into making this video👍
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
What a great video, been waiting for something like this to come out for ages as an independent look at the way jeans are tested and then rated. It's a minefield for sure, I think its fair to say that most of us are influenced by the specification of a pair of potential jeans and their "slide" times!! As much as i want to buy a pair of single layer jeans something has always held me back from getting them. I know where i am going to be looking now!!
Thanks! I do wear single layer jeans as well, but I just want people to be able to make an informed choice for themselves. Cheers, John
Absolutely, for me I want the best protection I can get over anything else so i think lined will be my route now. Not knocking single layer at all, its just not for me. Looking forward to your take on textiles when that comes out!!
I recently started using protective moto leggings and pants (the 2nd and new 3rd versions) with 65% UHMWPE and claimed CE AA rating (come with level 1 rated armor). I am curious how well these protect during a slide and if they will MELT when sliding and how that would affect me. This is what needs to be tested and independently verified since these types of materials are appearing everywhere including these single layer riding pants. I also use Rokker Chino Black and Sand colored riding pants. These seem very durable though I have not tested and they have a light weight comfort liner. These Chino Rockers seem good at deflecting heat from my bike. I am thinking maybe using the Panda Moto leggings with the Rokker jeans. The Panda Moto leggings are very comfortable.
Really appreciate the amount of effort that goes into these studies (eg chain lube). Love the transparency of testing, openness of flaws and analysis of data. Keep em coming. Great job 👏
Like Ride magazine used to do, but don't seem to these days.
Thanks very much! All the best, John
@@peterwilliams1004 I used to work there! John
Yeah… Really appreciate your facts and science proof content as we all have seen how the chap in the cap is spreading his bullish statements and videos recently, not just jeans but all kind of equipment. Good job 👍
This is some of the best journalism I've seen outside major news corporations. Congratulations on some open, honest, well researched, clearly communicated and useful information. And hats off to you for donating the proceeds to charity.
Thanks very much! Not everyone agrees, but they have their own agendas...
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and for including scientists. I always suspected that single layer jeans might not be as good as lined. Performing good lab testing can be difficult, and even more difficult when industry lobbyists get involved.
Thanks for watching! All the best, John
As always you video is so much more than just how good an item is, this is how testing should be done as there is no hidden agenda with you. Thank you again for these awesome videos they make my decision making much better.
Thanks very much! As long as people can make an informed choice, that's all that matters to me. Cheers, John
The contribution your team provides to fellow riders is appreciated and heartfelt. Personally, I trust your research and advice when purchasing any clothing article intended to protect my backside - and more 😃. Cheers.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Enjoyed the depth of your research. Thank you for the effort.
Really interesting! I find I get too hot in my lined RST jeans (AAA rated) so I've been considering single layer stuff that's a bit smarter looking for office use. I'd bought into Rokker being the top of the range but thought I'd be alright "cheaping out" on some cheaper AAA rated single layers. I guess at the very least I've learned that you aren't necessarily getting more protection for the premium, maybe there are other benefits in terms of comfort/quality though. Keep up the good work!
I think, if you're uncomfortable in lined jeans, it's worth having some single layer jeans, because otherwise, it's easy to wear normal jeans or trousers etc for work...
@@waynedl99 I ended up getting some Dainese Classic Regular Aramid "jeans" (they just look like smart trousers). They have an Armalith construction like Rokker jeans (at half the cost via SBS discount might I add) but extra Aramid in the knees and seat. I think it's a good compromise really, hopefully I won't need to test that!
This is a great video. It has opened my eyes to the requirements the EU has placed on safety equipment. I will say, skin shear hurts…badly! I was involved in accident that left 3/4 of my back “burned.” I am extremely grateful for the jacket I was wearing at the time. It was ground to paper thin in some areas, but I was mostly safe. It took almost 6 weeks to heal, but I am back on the bike. Again, thank you for this video.
So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend! Cheers, John
Excellent video with an unbiased and objective approach and clear conclusions. Please keep up the good work. We bikers need more of this and less BS and hype from individuals and companies that have a financial interest in the info they provide. Good job 👍
Thanks so much! Have a great weekend, cheers, John
Love my Hood jeans even more now👍. Great vid again John thanks 👍
Adding to the G analytics :) Seriously many thanks for this video, very interesting (as someone who has just don’t a 1000 mile trip in lined jeans!). Some serious questions there for Moto legends to address. I nearly went out of my way to visit them expecting that their pricier gear would offer me better protection. In the end I bought new jeans online using the ratings and reviews …. Glad I did now. Cheers
I've never been (I'm not sure I’d be welcome), but it looks a great store and there's some excellent kit in there. However, I do want people to be able to make informed choices when buying, not be swayed by sales bluster. It's not all about Hood as there are many good lined and single layer jeans for sale. But not necessarily all in one place. All the best, John
I applaud your dedication to independence and numbers, even buying a proper test setup. Might it be an idea to couple all the 4 sample beams together? Then you are certain they would be at the same position, and with the assumption of a relatively flat surface, they would spend a similar amount of time on the surface, even when bouncing. At least it would allow you to do comparative testing between the samples of 1 run.
I can see your thinking, but the road is way too imperfect for that I'm afraid - is surprising how not flat it is! Cheers, John
There are rigs which Dr Chris Hurren designed that work quite well on the road but they are mechanically complicated and probably took a while to tweak. Chris has one that stays level using 2 levers and I believe it can lock out after the first impact to reduce subsequent bounces. Bounce is a real phenomenon though so removing all bounce goes against reality. Doing one sample at a time is very time consuming. Ask me how I know this!
Wonderful video and very informative, thank you! Definitely appreciate the unbiased information and breakdown of the science behind the ratings.
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Awesome vid, john. I luv how you develop your own tests. Ride safe, god bless u.
Thanks very much... you too! Cheers, John
Amazing video John. Perfect illustration of what a minefield it is for riders navigating the regulations, ratings, fabrics and marketing claims on offer. We had intentions to do a similar test on our own channel but fell short of your remarkable ingenuity at how best to replicate the testing machines! My only thought is I wonder which jeans you used as your second AAA rated single layer test-subject. If it is the ones I think it is, they were recently recalled for not actually being AAA but AA which was a major embarrassment for all involved. I've always resisted claiming that single layer are generally better or vice versa as there are so many other variables at play beyond that one point, as you've rightly noted. Although you said this was never intended to be a group test, that would surely be another very interesting set of results. We have some brands claiming other brands products don't really deliver and it would be amazing to find out once and for all. The same applies to waterproofing claims and the performance of various armours used in the protective gear. - Andrew
Thanks very much! And don't let this stop you - I think the more explanations there are for buyers the better. Equally, I'm happy to share findings to help. I'm working on more content to explain it further, but the point is that EN17092 currently 'tops out' at AAA level, meaning buyers can get confused if they see some high-end leathers in the same category as single-layer jeans, for instance. I'm certainly a fan of single-layer, and wore some to a meeting on the bike yesterday. It's also not that ALL layered jeans are more abrasion-resistant than single-layer jeans, but these also weren't the most protective layered jeans on the market, and extensive testing at Motocap has shown that, of the many single-layered jeans tested, none have yet to meet the performance of a lot of layered jeans on the Cambridge abrasion rig, which gives the opportunity to compare the performance of various kit. If a pair of single layer jeans are released that provably match or exceed the abrasion resistance of good lined jeans (or even a single layer of decent leather), I'll be jumping at the chance to shout about them. For now though, I'll continue to wear AAA-rated single layer jeans for much of my riding, but switch to layered when things get a bit faster. Faster still and it's leather for me. EN17092 has given riders the chance to make better choices when buying kit, but they still need some knowledge of how the standards are met, and some guidance from the retailers. Oh, and the jeans definitely weren't those ones! All the best and thanks for the comment. I'm sure some buyers will be asking more questions now, but it's the best retailers and brands that will be helping them make the right choices. Cheers, John
I've just twigged that you have a filter on your site to choose kit based on the A to AAA levels. Excellent to see and something I know more people are looking for!
@@bennettsbikesocial I love that Urban Rider has this function on their site, every store should have it! I'm currently looking for a new pair of jeans and I've been amazed at the amount of times I've had to go searching for the safety rating, why it isn't clear displayed in the description I'll never know. Safety rating is at the forefront of every piece of motorcycle gear I buy so being able to quickly distinguish the AAA rated gear from A rated gear is brilliant. Well done Urban Rider.
Which jeans were recalled? I bought some AAA ones and now am worried I'm more exposed than I thought! They were not cheap!
@@aaronbraich6262 it was from Oxford.
Amazing video. Appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into this. You're simply the most trusted man on the internet 👍thank you good Sir
That's very kind! All the best, John
I really like your work, from stuff like this to the chain lube test, etc. Great job, keep up! Cheers from Portugal
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Thanks for the work you did on this review, it was a really good watch. I finally purchased a some proper dule layered riding jeans with knee & hip armour today, it's definitely been a concern on my mind previously riding in standard work pants
Very interesting video! I just wanted to add, I recently bought a pair of Rokker Rokkertech jeans and they now are certified AAA. Mine also came with both knee and hip armour. I remember reading somewhere that Rokker initially only went for A level certification, due to costs of having to have to test again for every color way, so they had their entire range tested against A level initially, just to be allowed to sell them.
@Ben Luts : It is not correct that every colour option has to be tested for abrasion resistance, tear resistance and seam strength. Provided the physical fabric specification does not change between colours, then test results for black, for example, would also cover navy, red, yellow and sky blue pink. The only additional test evidence required would be for chemical innocuousness of each separate colour - pH and absence of azo dyes, in this case. That can prove costly, although using materials suppliers who either already possess the data or who are Oeko-Tex or bluesign certified will avoid that expenditure, but Rokker would have needed this evidence to certify the original A classification range. Whatever you read was incorrect.
That’s a worry that the Rocker are now certified AAA. The tests in this video show that Rocker performed the worst.
@@ianfutcher1518 😟
@@paulvarnsverry11 without hip armour (as per the jeans tested) they cannot achieve AAA
@@neilhorsfall6432 : Correct! AAA and AA classification jeans *must* feature fitted hip and knee protectors, whereas A classification need only be fitted with knee protectors. It’s one of the flaws of EN 17092 that overall classification is more affected by the extent of impact protection fitted, than of the performance of the garment itself. The downside to the system is starting to dawn on more and more brands - as is the fact that the AAA requirements are not that difficult to achieve, and also provides no ability to recognise nor reward superior products that perform well above those requirements. My previous comment here covered how chemical innocuousness is factored into certification.
In 2014 i had a low side accident at 35 mph, rolled and finally tumbled into a ditch. I was wearing draggin jeans 32 INCH INSIDE LEG ( I am a 30 INCH INSIDE LEG) but they were a special order and what the hey! bought new in 2009 with separate knox knee armour and knox undershorts hip armour ... the jeans kind of worked but the stitching on the jeans knee area acted like perforations on paper ( like tearing out a coupon or check from a check book ) and tore along the line of stitching. I found that the jeans had moved down a few of inches during my ride, so the stitching which holds the kevlar in place was now on the knee instead of a few inches above my knee ( even higher if I had the right length ) The the result from tumbling ( I DID NOT SLIDE ) are my the jeans were ripped open to the shin and the kevlar was pulled down below the knee. Knox knee armour saved me from any injury ( except my pride ) hein Gericke jacket with a separate back armour saved the rest. My only injury was bruising to the palm of my hand because of light weight thin leather summer gloves, I replaced the gloves with a model with scaphoid rigid armour on the palm, you live and learn they say and what I learned is make sure you have the RIGHT LEG LENGTH FOR YOUR JEANS, DO NOT GET JEANS TO LONG, AS THE ARMOUR MAY NOT EVEN BE COVERING YOUR KNEES WHEN YOU COME OFF OR THE STITCHING MAYBE RIGHT WHERE YOU HIT THE ROAD !!!
So sorry to hear this, but glad you're here to tell us! Yes - the armour makes a massive difference to the abrasion and burst properties of the material. All the best, John
@@bennettsbikesocial one last observation, I spent alot of money on gear. Your reviews, among others, are invaluable so we don't waste time and money. But here is my personal experience, buy the best gear you can afford (THOUSANDS) AND DON'T GO ON A BLOODY DIET !!!
@@robinford4037 Opposite problem for me! Suffering from cake retention
The fact that you built an entire rig just to test these for us really show your dedication. Thank you my friend this is amazing content! Not all hero's wear capes! Liked and subscribed
Thank YOU! All the best, John
Brilliant Vid. Just been checking my double layer jeans for their ratings… and really good to know that washing them does not impact protection which has always been a worry. Totally agree on the armour front too. Thank you.
Thanks very much! All I want is for people to understand their kit choices and enjoy them. No one product is perfect, but they should be described accurately and fairly. All the best, John
Thank you John for another excellent, informative and enlightening video. I feel I have been seduced and somewhat mislead by the “single layer” and “slide time” story. As a result of your video I have now ordered a pair of Hood lined jeans. So many thanks. 😄👍
Hi. Had a pair of hood jeans for approx 10 years which a very good and have stood the test of time. Only problem in summer they are too hot (winter lovely) had to have mine altered which the lady did at the time then they were in attleborough Norfolk. Stay safe.
What is the name brand of the jeans? Thanks
Having just bought some expensive single layer jeans rated AAA, it's disappointing to see just how little the new ratings actually mean. Thanks for this valuable information, I wish more independent testing of this sort was done.
The A to AAA ratings are genuinely valuable, but abuse of their communication is undermining them. Phrases like "they say 'A' but..." are just confusing buyers. The certification takes into account abrasion resistance, tear resistance and seam strength, producing a useful guide to what performs better. AAA is better than A, and if someone says "but it was only tested to A and could have done better" then that's irrelevant as we have no proof. The law was brought in to stop brands making unsubstantiated claims. All of the levels, though, only product a pass, so while AAA is the best you can achieve under EN17092, you can't tell how AAA-rated garments compare. That can mean that some brands will try to infer that a single-layer pair of jeans are as protective as a pair of one-piece race leathers. It can be argued that on the road, if you hit a car or a tree then the abrasion resistance is irrelevant, but it's all about making an informed choice. I know that a set of decent (and I don't mean they have to be the pinnacle) leathers are safer than motorcycle jeans, but I choose to wear the jeans most of the time I'm riding for myself. I want people to make informed choices, not influenced choices, and some stores do help with that. Claims of 'slide times' show a lack of understanding of the test methods and certification, whereas stores that allow you to search for products by the A, AA or AAA ratings seem far more genuine about putting rider's choices first. Given the certification method we currently have, I'd recommend people to choose AAA-rated jeans, then decided if they want single-layer or lined. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks for the detailed response. What I meant was mainly in reference to the fact that the two AAA jeans performed very differently while the AAA monolayer didn't even outperform the A. It seems like maybe the abrasion requirements in the new norm are simply set too low? How else if not through the rating is one supposed to know what is "safe" to do with the garment. With such a lower abrasion performance than expected, I might not want to take those jeans up to highway speeds for example.
@@HardwareG33k The AAA monolayer was very similar to the A, but this was only an abrasion test. The A-rated jeans had an abrasion resistance that could pass AAA, but we don't know if they'd pass the tear or seam strength tests. I'd always recommend buying AAA-rated single-layer jeans for that reason; it's a guarantee that all the tests have been passed - and they are all important. With regards to the lined jeans and leather beating the abrasion resistance, that's where the planned BS 13595 should help; if all goes to plan, brands will have the option to demonstrate the performance achieved beyond AAA. It still will never be a 'slide time', but it will allow buyers to compare products more easily. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial that's helpful, thanks!
Great video, one of the best presented channels for bikers’ decisions in the U.K. for kit and bikes!
Thanks so much! All the best and have a great weekend, John
Thanks for putting in that solid effort. Much appreciated!
Thanks for watching!
Having had a big off a few years back, hip armour is essential, wouldn’t wear any motorcycle clothing without armour. My personal favourite for jeans are made by Knox as are all my gloves, great kit…
Glad you're okay! Cheers, John
Great video as always. Due to the armour placement, I've taken to wearing pando moto skin armoured leggings underneath riding jeans (or even normal trousers). Would love to know the (added) benefit/protection this gives
PS my vote goes for air ambulance
Thank you for an excellent and truthful response to this dilemma,good stuff👌👌👌
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
As always, a thoroughly researched presentation Really useful Thanks for your hard work
Thanks for watching! All the best, John
Another important thing to look out for is that most of the cheaper jeans are only reinforced at the key impact areas (knees, butt etc.) I got two pairs of triple-A rated single layer jeans by John Doe, they are almost as comfortable as a normal pair of jeans but with abrasion resistence throughout, from the bottom of the legs up to the waist.
love my John Doe jeans, wear them as my normal jeans even when not riding
@@wunsen95 They are awesome! Definitely worth the 250€ price tag. Got a military-like jacket now. Just remove the back protector and you wouldn‘t know it is a motorcycle jacket😎
A really important video Al bikers should see this ...despite nay Sayers saying fully lined jeans were ...too hot ....old fashioned ..not as good as single layers ....however my fully lined roadskins are great so comfortable ...glad I bought them so I hope you test them at some time.....thank you
Thanks very much! It really is all about helping people make informed choices. Single layer jeans can be great, but riders need to know the differences. Cheers John
Another brilliant and informative video. I have a pair of single layer jeans which I seriously thought offered me decent protection. After watching this they will be resigned to commuting use. I’ll be getting some Hood K7’s before Summer riding. Please consider Yorkshire air ambulance as the charity to support.
I absolutely appreciate channels like this that go the extra mile and try to explain stuff to us, people don't realize how important content like this IS. Again, thank you a whole lot
Really interesting results. I’ve a pair of lined jeans that until recently thought were below the benefits of single layering. Glad I didn’t spend the money on an “upgrade”. Will be sticking with my layers until they are done ! Don’t think your testing rig produced throw away results as in a real world you won’t be in a perfect slide. While not repeatable consistently I still think the results have validity. Especially the bursting! Wonder if your named retailer, who really do ring the bell of single layering, will have any response.
Cheers! The problem with the rig was inconsistency. All the best, John
Never watched your channel before, but you just picked up a subscriber. Being able to put at least a modicum of trust in a test/review/etc is a luxury. Fortunately there are more and more channels are going away from the *shill model and ostensibly doing independent tests and reviews. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Thanks for this, good to have a proper discussion driven by the science and free from commercial pressure. A rarity these days!
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Thank you so much fir a brilliant , informative , balanced , intelligent video . This sort of information and insight is so incredibly helpful for us biking consumers .
Thanks very much! All the best, John