How Good Do You Have To Be To Hunt With A Traditional Bow
How Good Do You Have To Be To Hunt With A Traditional Bow
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I'm starting my 51st season of Traditional Bowhunting and my longest kill shot was 19 yards while my closest shot was 3 yds with an average of 10-12 yards. You are spot on! Using a Traditional Bow will make you a better Hunter!
Agree 100%
I know you're talking about traditional archery but it still refreshing to me to hear someone speak about shooting animals close instead of how far they can shoot! Seems in the modern archery world distance and angles aren't a limiting factor. Enjoy your videos!
Glad you enjoyed it! Yep bowhunting is about getting close
Excellent video with sound advice. This aligns perfectly with my concept of "close enough to kill". First, one determines the range at which one can consistently shoot "close enough to kill", under a stressful hunting situation, and then one works on their hunting skills to allow them to get within that range - "close enough to kill". Yes, even the stalking bowhunter can develop hunting skills that allow them to consistently get "close enough to kill". That philosophy worked well for me for five decades of hunting with a longbow; on multiple hundreds of big game animals, on six continents; and countless small game. Some additional skill-set advice I'd add is, (1) learn to shoot from multiple body positions (you will rarely get a shot at big game that allows you to assume a perfect 'target stance'), (2) learn to shoot moving targets that are within your kill zone and, (3) learn to shoot both when you have to hold your draw for several seconds and when you have to take your shot very quickly. One more piece of advice, always use enough arrow; an arrow that maximizes the potential for achieving a lethal hit when your shot, for whatever reason, turns out to be less than perfect - a Plan B arrow.. Nowadays, I see so much bragging about how far some bowhunter shot their animal. Bowhunting, with either a traditional bow or a compound bow, is a close-range sport. It's about hunting skill, not shooting skill. No arrow - NO ARROW, not even from the fastest of crossbows - is fast enough to overcome an animal's reaction time; and that situation gets worse as the shooting distance increases. At longer shooting ranges an animal can merely take a leisurely step and drastically alter the arrow's placement on the intended target. When shooting at a big game animal no bowhunter can guarantee where his arrow will hit - because the animal gets a vote. The animal can change position before the arrow arrives on target. Please, if you want to shoot your game at long range, just get a rifle. Hunt close, shoot close, and learn those additional skills - and use those Plan B arrows. Good hunting, my friends.
Outstanding advise. I have followed you for 30 years and taken almost everything you have ever talked about in to the way I hunt and my equipment set ups. Thank you for all you have done to help us.
Great video and topic. As a new traditional archery equipment user this will be my first season using traditional equipment. I find myself asking the same question that’s in the title of the video. I keep comparing my abilities with my recurve to my abilities with my compound. Appreciate this video, really boosts my confidence for the upcoming season👏👏
Wishing you a great season with your trad bow! You are going to love it. and you will learn more than you ever thought you could.
To be good at archery, is to have consistent form. the hand pressure in same spot, the string alignment the same, the anchor point, the draw length all have to be the same for each and every shot, then once you've mastered your form, then you have to aim, compensating for gravity's effect on your arrow at different yardages. Also all your arrows have to be the same. This info is for new shooters . Good Archers already know this, that's why they hit what there aiming at. So having said this , the guy in this traditional bowhunting video, knows what he's talking about.
All great points and all very correct and well stated.
Love the videos! This video gave me a lot more confidence for the upancoming season. My max comfort range is 15 yards. I can hit 20 but not quite there accuracy wise yet.
Glad you enjoyed it. Get out there and have fun hunting with your traditional bow! 15 is plenty far enough!
Me too bro, 10m, 12m and 15yds, 13.5m, I can hit a can, 15to18m I miss far more regular.
I use to be a traditional bow hunter. I suffered a severe injury in 2001 that left me disabled. I contracted a really bad nerve disorder called Reflex Symptomatic Dystrophy (RSD) aka (CRPS) from the trauma. It seems they change the name of it every 10 years or so, and that’s just because they still don’t fully understand it. It has really done a number on my entire nervous system, but mainly affected my dominant left arm, and then spread to my dominant left leg. I really really miss it!!
Man that must be tuff.
@@charlesleblanc6638 it has surely been a challenge my friend. I never heard anything about the disorder until they diagnosed me with it. You would never think that such a thing existed, or at least I never did. Horrible stuff that’s for sure, but I’m very blessed with family and friends that have had my back for the whole ride. Fiancée left when I couldn’t bring home lots of the greenback any longer for her, but I never should of fell for such a “MATERIAL GIRL” in the first place…..WOMEN!😂 But it’s all good. Firm believer in “Everything happens for a reason!” We live and learn, and we keep going. I wish you the best of luck this year my friend. Hope you drop an absolute monster. Stay safe out there, and God bless you sir!!
So sorry you have to go thru this. Life sure is not very fair.
@@tradbowpodcast ty for that comment. Nope, life sure isn’t fair to us many times in many ways, but we have to remain grateful for everything we do have. I’ve learned it’s the key to being happy. Have yourself a really great season sir.
@@robertwhite3752 agree 100%
I’m glad you posted this. Today especially. I have been practicing with my great grandfathers recurve and debating if I should take it out this season. Well you answered it for me and the answer is yes. Thanks!
That's great, there something quite special about using your GG Bow.
That's awesome you are using his bow! Gonna be a great season for you
@@tradbowpodcast thank you!
If your killing range is 12,15,17. Let's not forget that's 360 degree around you. So good scouting should put you in the heart of deer activity. Great information here my Friend.
Very true! And I kill a ton of deer on the downwind side. Always good to have shooting that side too.
Been listenng to your podcast and watching you videos for a couple years. I acquired a wealth of knowledge from you, my brother. I couldn't resist commenting now to express my heartfelt gratitude.
Love hearing this. Glad you are enjoying the content and appreciate the comment
As a novice Brit, that just purchased there first recurve with a goal of having a successful hunt one day this gives me confidence! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it and welcome to traditional archery!
Excellent video and sound logic Jason. Thanks Nate
Glad you enjoyed it
Great advise, I’ve been trad hunting for 30 plus years and most of my kills are inside that range. When I hunted with a compound no more than 20 yds most at 10.
Yeo when you learn to set up close no reason to shoot far.
Thanks for this video. I've just returned to archery and have gotten pretty good at 12 yards. But figured I wasn't good enough to hunt this year. This is very encouraging!
Glad you enjoyed it. Keep the shots close and go do some huntin
thank you for this video. You hit the nail on the head.
Glad you enjoyed it
I'm 53 and have been bow hunting since I was 18. I've killed a lot of animals with a Long Bow, a compound, and a cross bow. My longest was 41 yards with the compound on a deer that a buddy hit and I got a follow up shot and drilled it. Oddly enough all the shots I've had with the cross bow have been the closest. All on drives and well under 10 yards, and absolutely miserable trying to find and make that happen with a cheap cross bow scope. Everything else was 10-20 yards. I really don't like taking over a 20 yard shot with any of these weapons. I don't trim shooting lines and at low light shooting times it's difficult to see branches and sticks and stuff. To the point of this video I have not had a problem getting 12 yard shots on Deer and Elk. With my 45# long bow 20 yards is my max and I plan on and set up for 10 yards. Out of a tree stand 6 yards is about my minimum. I can't really get bent over well enough for anything closer than that with the long bow. Ohh and all my cross bow kills were from the ground. I don't know what it is about that thing, but when I'm in the woods with it it's a killing machine. It's strictly for putting meat in the freezer. It's a Barnett 460. I enjoy the long bow more than anything. Take care.
Excellent. And Love the close range discipline you have with all weapons.
Thanks for telling it like it is Jason
Glad you enjoyed it
Great advice. I'm planning on being in the tree later today.
Awesome. Wishing you great luck
Great topic!
glad you enjoyed it
Great video man. I'm in the process of switching to traditional bowhunting and this gave me motivation for next season.
Welcome to traditional bowhunting. You will love it!
This really encouraged me because it is my first year biw hunting and my 20 yard is not bad, but thus really shed more light on the reality for traditional bow hunting. Always enjoy your content. Thank you, be safe abd God bless.
You are gonna a love bowhunting! Keep me posted on how your season goes
Thanks, i needed this. Always held off in taking the trad bow. But this changed my thinking
Staying close is exciting ! Give it a shot.
You will not only love it. It will make you a better hunter
Excellent video and encouragement for us new traditional bow hunters!
Glad you enjoyed it
Really appreciate this after an off morning of shooting. Helping me get my confidence back. This will be my first season hunting and I’m starting with a longbow!
You are going to love hunting with a longbow and the skills it requires to get close will make you such a better hunter.
@@tradbowpodcast thanks Jason! I can’t wait. I’m trying to get some scouting in as well. Both boots on the ground and e-scouting. Do you have any suggested videos specific to e scouting? I hear what to look for (pinch points, funnels, vegetation change etc) but don’t always know what it looks like on a digital map. I’m dealing with big woods with very few clearings here in northern Arkansas. Yet to see any sign on my scouting trips. Worried I won’t even see a deer this fall.
@craigjones7401 you should check out my patreon channel. Link in the video description or at Patreon.com/tradbowpodcast. It's loaded with hunting how to vids, map my hunt sessions, etc. You won't find more whitetail hunting how to info anywhere else!
Having just started Trad hunting, I LOVE this vid! I just reached competency out to 12 yrds working on max 15, but not having sights or a scope i do worry about wounding a deer with a shanked shot, but i have the rest of this winter, spring and summer to work on accuracy and build confidence, i was going to wait till I hit Paul Brunner's level before heading out, but this vid was a shot in the arm!
You have the rest of your life to keep improving. And with traditional archery we will never reach our full potential. That's the beauty of this sport. When it comes to hunting it's all about being close and keeping shots close. So you are ready to hunt!
Great advice jason
Thanks
I decided on 12 yards even though I can shoot 20. This video makes me feel alot more comfortable about my choice of distance!
12 yards is my happy place. Not gonna say I can't miss at that distance 😂 but I like them at that range
I'll take Jason's "nervous shooting" accuracy any day.
🤣🤣 if only I could do that in the woods on live critters
That was impressive, I’ve always practiced at 20. I’m now getting lethal at 10-12-8yds whatever due to this video. Thank you Jason.
I needed to see this video
Glad you enjoyed it.
Great topic, my max distance is 15m beyond that I feel it's too risky to do an ethical shot with my heavy arrows and bow weight. I make up for it by using tactics and scouting to find places where I'll be at best advantage. The challenge is that will change from Sept through to Nov as the snow flies and I'm still figuring that part out. It seems to change year to year up here in Alberta too, so never a dull moment.
Yep fall is the season of change and the deer always keep us guessing!
Needed to see this. Good to 15 but off/on at 20.
15 works just fine. Getting those 8-12 yards shots are the best part about setting up as a traditional bowhunter
Very helpful 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Good advice 👍
Thanks
Now this was informative and enjoyable me a beginner
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
When your cold shot is on target.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while🤣🤣
Great lesson Jason the rule is hunt close with trad gear
Agree 100%
I would recommend practicing at distances right up to 30-40 yards for the reason below: I once went hunting with a buddy who only "winged" a goat and from what I could see it wouldn't survive, but suffer a slow death having a badly injured leg. I immediately took up the chase and followed the group for about a mile and as I began to tire the lagging, injured goat was about to disappear over a ridge into deep bush and I knew I had to at least try at a distance of about 35-40 yards. Muscle memory kicked in and even though I was exhausted the arrow flew straight to the heart on a rear flanking shot behind the ribs and it dropped instantly. Call it "luck" but the practice at longer distances trains your eye for such a shot as these.
Yep always good to practice al. All rangers. And it's fun to do
This is exactly the video I needed. I got my first recurve about a year ago so still extremely new and have never hunted before either so thank you for showing me what I need to accomplish and how to approach my practice sessions from here on out. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it. Welcome to both traditional archery and to bowhunting!
This looks like an interesting channel. I don't have a trad bow but I have a couple of compounds that I picked up for next to nothing years ago. I would like to set them up for instinctive shooting and learn some Native American techniques. With my age and health I think that I should start with small game as tracking a deer deep in to the woods and drag it out is probably not reasonable.
Get so hex head points and set up for squirrels. Absolute riot and excellent time spent enjoying the woods.
Nice. Certainly better than I'll ever be.
Holy crap this is a great video. Empowering as hell for me and my recurve.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
Yes sir and we need to practice the close shots too. I missed an Elk once at 7 yards. Seems impossible I know but, it happened. In my defense it was a young elk. Probably about the size of a Shetland Ponie😂
Very close shots can definitely fool us into thinking we don't need to pick a spot ! Been there done that.
@@charlesleblanc6638 absolutely
@@charlesleblanc6638 yep me too. Many times
I have made misses like that too. All part of the game.
Very good video. Whether they admit it or not, everyone is curious lol
Very true😂 glad you enjoyed it
Love it real time sounds
Glad you enjoyed it
I generally have been a rifle hunter my whole life. Average 300-700 yards. I have this problem of thinking I cannot get close. I never took my bow out for the first four years because I couldn't get accurate at 20-40 yards. Eventually I took out my compound because I just really wanted to use an arrow. I tried to spot and stalk and walked up to within 10 yards on over 20 deer that day. The next year I set up in a tree and first day had 7 deer within 12 yards. I'm no longer afraid to take out my trad bows. I just didn't realize I'd get that close. Be patient and slow, and play the wind, and you WILL walk up on them. Or they will walk to you.
Well said and perfect example of learning to get close
Usually ill keep 20yards and in however i have one hunting spot that is very close to a major highway this vehicle noise is very loud deer do not react i will actually shoot 25-30 yards in that spot just because the highway noise covers my bow sound so well
I’m thinking of taking on the challenge of a sling bow that shoots 180fps and it looks to be deadly accurate out to s 20 - 30 yards ! Videos killing big game animals and it seems ideal and minimal for mobile hunting and hiding in limbs trees tucked in cover and still able to maneuver and shoot. ! Light weight easy to pack in and a lot less to deal with and better on close encounters!
Videos of it look pretty cool!
@@tradbowpodcast yes they definitely look fun and they look like they could be modified and made better as anything else in the hunting industry , I believe it would be a great challenge and tool to have in your arsenal ! I really think it would shine in encounters if you needed to hunt in a tree 🌲 full of limbs and it would be great to tuck up in a group of trees 🌳 and also if you wanted to tuck up in a bush , overgrowth, briar patches etc. and you can still effectively and efficiently maneuver and not worry about not being able to draw your bow , so u can definitely hide & hunt in most any situation and not worry about movement and having to set up around your weapon and how you can efficiently draw it ! The sling bow becomes one with you and no extra area is needed outside of you yourself is all u have to consider making room for when setting up to hunt …
that metal pole on those boar targets has broken multiple arrows for me... what a bad place for that pole! I wish someone would make a pig target with the 10 ring in the right place ha
Agree. I have been shooting at it like a deer mostly to avoid that but every now and then I need to shoot at it for real in the real kill zone to keep my mind focused on it
Jason maybe you can give some feedback to the 3d target companies that produce those hog targets with the metal rod in them. Maybe they will listen to you since you are a well known bow hunter. I would be shooting my hog target more but don’t because of the anxiety of hitting that steel rod and damaging my arrows.
It was Rhinehart boar target. They need the metal tube there to support the target. But on a hog you don't want to shoot where the score rings are. You want to be low and right up the leg. That's right where the bar is😂
I’m absolute horrible and I hunt small game with my 40 lb recurve, personally I feel if I can group 3 inches around 15 yards I’m happy
a 3inch group constantly at 15 yards is outstanding.
yeah, the speed of an arrow has a lot more to do with the range than the power of the arrow. even if the arrow has all the power it needs, a fast trad bow at 200fps still gives plenty of time for that animal to move before the arrow gets there. at 30 yards, youre maxed out on that range and thats considered a long shot for time of arrow travel. most ppl dont think about that and only think about how much power the arrow has at 50 yards. "my bow slaps at 50 yards"....yeah but that animal is 6 feet futher to the left or right before the arrow gets there. not a good way to make accurate shots
I picked up traditional bow 3 years ago because I was getting board with compound. I got good up to 28 yards thinking I needed to. Most shots taken with compound were 20 yards and up. I have gotten consistent at 20 yards. I am looking forward to taking one with traditional. Getting close to a whitetail is going to be a tough to do. Especially a big buck.
Welcome to the world of traditional bowhunting. The limitations of the trad bow will teach you to be a better hunter and to get close to deer including big bucks. I've killed close to 200 big game animals and my average shot distance is about 9 or 10 yards.
@@tradbowpodcast how do you control your scent?. I use the scent washes and the spray with boiled pine and cedar needles. It's got me closer but they can still wind me sometimes. Or get hesitant when the get down wind. I hunt 20 feet off the ground. That helps. I have heard of some hunting only 12 or less and getting close range. I feel I would be busted by my scent at that range.
Good job
Thanks
I've shot competitive archery and bow hunted , most of my life. having said that , its real simple. the farther you are back from your target , the more your mistake in form and yardage are magnified. Its a triangular effect. So you have to determine what yardage you can consistently, with your ability to keep all your shots in the kill zone. On a deer, maybe the size of a paper plate, right behind the shoulder area, but not too high.
Another fantastic comment that is 100% spot on
Target archery, is seeing how far you can shoot to still hit your mark. ,Archery Hunting is seeing how close you can get, to never miss your mark.
Well said
Very encouraging 👍🎯😎
Glad you enjoyed it
“Traditional Bowhunting, is a game of how CLOSE…Not how far”…Barry Wenzel
100%
All good advice. 2 things. I use a 3 arrow quiver. There is no need for all those arrows on a hunt. 1 for the kill. 1 as a backup. 1 field point for a practice tree stand shot. Second is that nearly 45 degree cant of his bow. This is going to be detrimental for new shooters. Keep your bow close to vertical as you can. You will increase your accuracy. That extreme cant is a modern American phenomenon. It wasn’t done in the past or in ancient times. Only barely enough to keep that arrow on your knuckle
Maybe for target archery. In bowhunting canting a bow is important as it let's me get low to the ground, get the limbs out of the way when shooting down out of trees and gets the riser out of my way in my view. And I don't need any cant to keep the arrow on my knucke. I do it for the reasons above. And if I only carried 2 broadheads I'd go hungry.
This was my first year hunting with trad gear. Set a 15 yard maximum on myself. Luckily for me, the average yardage of my last several kills with a compound are roughly 9 yards. Killed my first two with a long bow this year at 9 and 10 yards. Both clean kills. Might ditch the compound completely next year, we’ll see. 😂
Outstanding. And way to get close! That's what it's all about. Congrats
@@tradbowpodcast thank you!
Great advice, I have that same hog target and it has bent many different field points, top hats are over rated, I shoot 200gr do u have any recommendations for a tougher field point?
I like the bullet tip style points from Ethics archery. I've hit wood, rocks, and the metal posts in 3D targets. Tips might get deformed a little, but I've never had one bend. Iron Will makes some different field points and those tips are practically impossible to destroy.
Never bent a practice tip. I just use the steel ones from 3 rivers. But ethics archery would be the one that makes the strongest.
@@caseyk6625 ethics makes excellent stuff
My local archery range said 100gr broadhead like thunderhead in a 30in 500sp carbon arrow is more than sufficient for a 35-40lb bow.
@@jayf4357 it definitely can be
I've hunted with compound for a long time but recently got a recurve I'd much rather bow hunt that gun hunt I'm going all traditional I'm good to about 23 yards hold a group of about 4 inches with 6 arrows but if I actually try to aim that's where it's going south need to work on that this spring
That's better shooting than I can do! Sounds like you got it all dialed it. Welcome to the amazing world of traditional archery
@@tradbowpodcast I am getting a bow with less draw weight to get more practice at holding and working on my form
That group was my best not consistent 100 percent of the time
@wvboy0311 plus it's fun to be able to shoot longer sessions without getting tired.
All my compound friends say they don't want to shoot traditional because they want to be able to shoot deer at 30 yards. When I hear their hunting stories the vast majority of the deer they shoot with their compound isn't even close to 30 yards.
Hopefully they are shooting closer than 30.
I find im better left and right when I dont cant the bow so much. Good video though.
Yep got to find the sweet spot that works best for you
Mine is 15yards atm, 12 is the sweet spot...
Perfect. 90% of all traditional harvests happen inside that range
@@tradbowpodcast still, hardest thing is getting that close to anything but a target 😶🙏😲😳😵🏹💘😃👍😊
@@krownedklown420klik9 very true
Way to highlight the difference between shooting and hunting.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
Im thinking of getting back into the bow world ten years ago i had a bear kodiak mag 50# but my draw was 29 inchs so i was over bowed thinking of going to a black hunter 35# recurve any one recommend this bow
Many many people love and shoot the black hunter bows. They are excellent
I ask people how well do you 3d course? Do one sometime before you go hunting.
3d is great practice
The name of the game of Bow Hunting, is suppose to be up close.
Agree 100%
As a person that just started archery I’ll only allow myself 5-10 yards just to be fair to the animal
That works perfect and that range is very realistic. most of my shots are in that range.
what is a good website to find such bows for puchase?
Northernmistlongbows.com is where i got mine from. Also check out traditional bowhunter magazine. They have many that advertise in there. And online at tradgang.com
Is tha a self bow your shooting???
No. I'm shooting a northernmistlongbows.com classic model.
Just make sure the arrow is around the spine you need and the minimum weight an arrow should be for hunting and have arrows that are sharp and legal for your state and this will help you with taking down a deer. One person my brother knew used the wrong type of arrow, this one model of Muzzy 100 or 125 grain Trocar with a lower poundage 35 pound compound. The Muzzy Trocar model has a part that connects the arrow blades or ferule that sticks out causing the broadhead to stick and they might have even had the mistake of using the compound version of the model not the bow one so they might have had more with the back thread part, some of the connection part is not made for a thinner arrow but a thicker bolt.
How are we seeing when you aren't zooming in?
Watch it on a bigger screen I guess cause I can't redo it. But it's all there for ya.
Is this a loaded question? 🏹🦌☠️
🤣🤣
What is your bow setup?
64 inch northernmistlongbows.com classic model. 57 pounds at my 26 inch draw. 720 grain arrow
First thing I saw is you're a lefty ( or atleast draw with your left)
Yep I'm a lefty
Fuck, i miss under 6 yards😮😅😅😅
Me too many times. There are many variables to shooting a traditional bow. The biggest variable is the mind and it can mess us up good sometimes.
@@tradbowpodcast it's focus for me I feel really messes me up, especially if I'm concerned about shot steps too much🤷🙏🤯😊
@krownedklown420klik9 yep I completely understand
Lol when you get your first kill with a traditional bow. Then you are a traditional bow hunter.
The first one is definitely the hardest for most people
Well said 👍
If you can put 2 out of 3 shots in a paper plate at 15 yards at any given time, your way ahead of the game. (Pardon the pun).
Yep thats a good rule of thumb and a great way to gauge it. And keep the shots close.
@@tradbowpodcast One recurve bow I have, the arrow kicks right in mid flight, I adjusted the nock, messed around with different weight grains with the tip and no matter what I do it doesn’t fix it. Thats the only recurve bow I got that gives me problems. Maybe I’ll try a stiffer spine, but the spine I have is stiff enough. 400 spine for a 40# recurve.
@@steveo13757 the arrows are probably too stiff and bouncing off the side plate
@@tradbowpodcast I’m getting an adjustable arrow rest for it, hopefully that will help.
@@steveo13757 it probably will help
You could make your pig target quartering away.
I will when I wear a hole thru broadside. Extends the life of the target
@@tradbowpodcast Thanks for the reply. New here but I love your content!
@WideOpenHunter glad you are enjoying the vids!
I would say personally in my opinion if you're accurate up to 25 yards that's typically the bare minimum standard in today's archery community in general. Hence why when people do the fixed crawl method they usually mark the fixed crawl at 25 yards.
You’re fundamentals have to be impeccable or don’t try at all.
It's good to try and be consistent in form.
If you can hit a paper plate a decent 2/10 times. Then I’d say a little further than that, because you will rise to the occasion 😂😂
man using a rifle feels like cheating by comparison
It can feel that way. And most die hard traditional hunters I know still shoot some animals with a rife for many reasons. But all of them do their serious hunting with a traditional bow and I bet what you are talking about is a big reason
You need to be a better hunter.
That is true