Counting The Dead: How Many Russians Have Really Died in Ukraine
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Unveiling the Hidden Cost: Russia's Devastating War Losses. Explore shocking estimates and meticulous investigations revealing the staggering toll of lives lost in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. A haunting tale of sacrifice and manipulation.
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That closing statement is so chilling, I stopped doing everything and thought long about the war. Respect, Simon.
Not really…it bordered on propaganda & naivety. & I’m no fan of Russia in this war.
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
THE RUSSIANS LOVE DYING THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S AMAZING ALL THE SANCTIONS NOT BEING IN THE EU LMFAO BILLIONS BEING SPENT ON WAS ALL THE MONEY PAID OUT TO FAMILIES OF THE DEAD & DISABLED RUSSIA STILL LOOKS STRONG THE UK IS CRYING NO HOUSING SCHOOLS HOSPITALS POLLUTION UP CRIME ON THE RISE ILLEGALS FLOODING IN WITH THE WORLD THE UK IS FINISHED THE ENGLISH GENOCIDE IS WELL UNDERWAY
For the Russian civilians in Ukraine being genocided it is an existential threat.
Because of this, if you were to go to the forests of Karelia, there is a very real high chance of you stumbling onto some Soviet bones that Kremlin denies were ever present in Finland during Winter and Continuation War. Finland did offer to ship the bodies to the Soviet Union to be buried, but since the Soviet Union denies they ever had that many fallen in the first place, the bodies were just left there in the forest. So there are potentially tens upon tens of thousands of Soviet soldiers still occupying and guarding Finnish land to this day.
What the hell are you talking about? When did the USSR deny that it invaded Finland?
He didn't say the USSR denied that it invaded Finland. He said the USSR denied how many men it truly lost. @@colmcmillan173
It's the amount of fallen, nowhere did they say that they'd denied invading Finland.
@@colmcmillan173 Did you even read his post? He never said that USSR denied invading Finland, they denied how many actually died there...
@@colmcmillan173 Reading comprehension, do you have it? I didn't say it denied invading. I said they denied having that many casualties as there were never that many soldiers in Finland according to them. The entire theme of the video is about Russia underreporting casualties. I thought this would be a given point considering the context of the video.
That ending made the entire video one million times stronger. Thank you for letting us all see your feelings and feel them along with you.
It looks like you watched the entire video, so how many did he count in the end?
@@Tony-. There are several different counts, and how they come to those numbers are different.
@@VirtueCry So the range should be in between. But between what numbers? Getting it wrong will lead to incorrect conclusions and erroneous predictions. Russia believed that it would capture Kyiv in a few months, and therefore the police were actually riding in the convoy with the military. Ukrainians believed that they would capture Crimea by December 2022, because they exaggerated the losses of the Russian Federation many times over. As a result, they began to pass discriminatory laws against national minorities and tell everyone about their imminent victory. A year has passed, not a single optimistic forecast has come true, not even close. Qualitative analysis is very necessary, but there are practically none.
Peace was done in 2017 - what happened ?
You mean the feelinng of sorrow that a bunch of murderers and rapists have been killed in a war their nation started?
It is crazy how big this channel has grown and love to see it. Thanks for all you, the writers, and editors do on your various channels fact boi!
Something you didn't touch on: There have been many cases where families are aware that their sons have died, due to their companions or commanders informing them of their deaths, but theyre unable to get the inheritance fund because they're officially reported as "missing" instead. Which, given the immense numbers, could be a measure taken to reduce the amount of money that has to be paid, or to reduce the overall numbers of war dead. There have also been many reports from multiple sources, including intercepted phone calls and radio messages, that russian bodies have been shipped to Belarus to be cremated there, rather than being returned to Russia- Again presumably to prevent people from finding out that they died.
Both scenarios are likely…there are reports of warehouses where unclaimed bodies are stacked several high, and families have to bribe authorities in occupied territories to gain access to go…erm, search for their loved ones that were KIA 🥴😳
How sad.
My God. Russia really don’t give a damn about their soldiers or citizens. Absolutely appalling. The Ukrainians treat their Russian enemies better.
Recent reports of the mobile crematoriums near Mariupol as well.
Remember how many times western propaganda made "reports" claiming that Russia was out of cruise missiles...again and again, which proved to be lies each time?
The comparison to the Soviet Afghanistan war is truly shocking. Not even two years of war in Ukraine and so much blood has been shed. This was a fantastic video, looking forward to more accurate data.
Another further Afghanistan comparison is the United States lost only 2100 servicemen when conducting their 20 years of operations in theatre Contrast that to the Soviets of old and now the Russians of today who have lost hundreds of thousands in about a year
This is WW2 level fighting. It's a bizarre mix of WW1 trenches with 2023 technology. Imagine if Alvin York wore a Go-Pro.
@rejvaik00 To note both American casualties in Afghanistan and Vietnam are still less than Russian casualties in the Ukraine combined
@@rejvaik00 Which makes it funny that Russian Z patriots/trolls always brings up US withdrawal from Afghanistan
@@rejvaik00 exactly, it’s absolutely ridiculous. It must be a nightmare to be on the battlefield if that many lives are being spent so quickly.
Simon you did a great job of explaining a complex issue. Thank to you and your team.
Excellent podcast - thanks for the effort.
I have watched hundreds of your videos across multiple channels over the last few years. Informative, funny, honest, saddening at times...they all make you contemplate life and how things relate to one another. Thank you for this episode, one of your finest in my opinion.
Funny but not informative as his track record in this conflict is piss poor.
@@chrisgreene2623Douglas MacGregor and Scott Ritter are much better people to follow in regards to the Ukraine war.
@@PrimericanIdol yes, yes, Vatniks love pedophiles like Scott Ritter. Russia is obsessed with other people's children.
@@PrimericanIdol Those two are traitorous liars, shills for the Russians. Long ago MacGregor said Ukaine was on the verge of collapse. Now Putin wants to talk about peace when he's getting hiss AZZ KICKED.
Yeah of you like small childeren, or slaves like putin
Regardless of what anyone tells you, everyone thought the Ukraine conflict was going to be over in no time.
Because nobody expected the US to give 100+ billion dollars
@aaronhrynyk U.S wouldn't have given anything if Ukraine hadn't first demonstrated that they could hold on if they get machinery. And if Ukraine hadn't become a social media sensation as the war started.
@@aaronhrynyk 1) Ukraine embarrassed Russia before the US sent the first Buffalo nickel in aid. 2) who didn't see aid coming? If the West has the chance to chip away at Russia, China, Iran and North Korea, they will. Any strategist worth his salt seen it coming.
I honestly put my money on ukraine the second it started
@@aaronhrynyk Everybody who has any understanding of the Budapest agreement would have expected it unless the USA decided it wanted to break its word and become a international pariah since their word would be as worthless as the ruble is now.
I watch a lot of your videos and generally quite like them, but this one was just awesome, such vehemence at the end their was spine tingling
Outstanding work. Great job.
Simon,You have really said it. No one else has had the courage to nail the loss and suffering the way you have. Thanks for you work
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
THE RUSSIANS LOVE DYING THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S AMAZING ALL THE SANCTIONS NOT BEING IN THE EU LMFAO BILLIONS BEING SPENT ON WAS ALL THE MONEY PAID OUT TO FAMILIES OF THE DEAD & DISABLED RUSSIA STILL LOOKS STRONG THE UK IS CRYING NO HOUSING SCHOOLS HOSPITALS POLLUTION UP CRIME ON THE RISE ILLEGALS FLOODING IN WITH THE WORLD THE UK IS FINISHED THE ENGLISH GENOCIDE IS WELL UNDERWAY
One thing that really fogs up the numbers are the amounts of people that come from places that barely "exist" inside Russia in the first place. They don't have toilets, let alone internet or social media to post about dead or missing loved ones, nor is there anything to claim for inheritance from them. On paper, its like they never existed in the first place. Most of these people come from pooerer, non-Slavic regions as stated. Unless you happen to capture them as a POW (which hundreds of interviews have been done), their presence isn't really made known otherwise. As dead, they are simply unclaimed. Russia also makes a point of 1. Not paying soldiers 2. Not paying out the claimed benefits of a dead soldier. One of the biggest excuses is that they're only missing, not dead.
Yup its also what they do to the prisoners they conscript, force them into the fight without documentation on them so when they die their families can't claim their benefits.
OMG you guys are serious CNN watchers. To say that is Russia is like saying the bayous of Louisiana or backwards of Tennessee depict the whole USA. I cannot believe the dismissive and prejudice of you and many of these commenters. Please take your time to learn a little about Russia
That's mostly bullshit
Most are slav. Numbers are given per capita. If you take real numbers most are Slavic. And even in ethnic republics they are often majority. People keep talking about Buryatia but Slavic people are 70% even in Buryatia.
This, for me, is the saddest, most moving and very best of all the videos I've seen of yours - and I've watched hundreds of them. Thank you.
Excellent Ending. Keep up the good work
Man, the dialogue at the end really hit me 😔. Simon is truly the best at what he does. He can make me crack up on the Business Blaze channel or fascinate me with details on his Biography channel or like today make me truly feel the pain of what is happening thousands of miles away. 😢
The dude is pretending that Russia has absolutely no reason to start the war with Ukraine. Ignoring the fact that Nato has been antagonizing Russia with military build up on their border for decades. The plan to make Ukraine part of Nato was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Biden and the military industrial complex are just as much to blame.
I've been watching Simon since the start of the TopTenz days (heartbroken he's stopped adding content for that channel), even dealing with Hitler, Stalin and other horrific dictators, I've never seen him go anywhere near that passionate about actually wanting someone dead..... what an episode!!
Living over here in Czech Republic rubs off on him, there is no love lost for Russians here, for the most part.
What are you talking about? The last video was uploaded 5 hours ago the next after that was 4 days ago, next was 5 days and the last was 3 months so huh?
Yeah i 100% agree but i have never seen him so "furios" and full of venom. War is really starting to piss him off. Same for me to be honest.
I have, watch his series on the the worst historical leaders
@rejvaik00 I have, this had a special level of venom I haven't quite seen before in him before. Even some of the CasCrim videos, this was really quite strong for him.
This content creator is one of the very best. So grateful for him and his colleagues.
This guy is feeding everyone Literal Propaganda😂 He’s stated multiple times thru out the video that Russia is sending meat waves to Ukraine when it’s logistically the complete opposite😂 he’s made his bias very clear and anyone who has common sense and a fuckin brain between their ears will disregard everything he said that shows obvious discern for truth and rather spread his emotional political opinions
Thank you Simon. A very poignant and powerful video.
Outstanding work Simon here in Canada the CBC fails us miserably but Simon does not, so thank you.
One of your best videos yet, Simon. What a terrible, unjust war where old men send their young ones to the slaughterhouse.
Kek. Not "theirs". Remember what Peskov's son answered to the prankster who told him he was being mobilized.
In the (American) Civil War, there was a saying, rich man's war, poor man's fight.
Well said, my close friend lives in Kyiv, and even though her life is brutal, she constantly comments about how terrible this war is both for Ukrainians and Russians. She wants peace. My hope is that it comes sooner than later.
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An outstanding video. You have a new subscriber!
Wow, what a great video. I loved the final 4 minutes.
I've been a big fan of Simon for a long time but I was a bit skeptical of how he would cover a topic like this, but I am very impressed. One of the better assessments of this topic that I have seen
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
It's the best and broadest analysis that I've seen so far. I tend to give a bit more weight to Ukraine's numbers because of the Prigozhin/Wagner number in Bakhmut. I don't see any incentive for Priggo to grossly inflate it. He was right about one thing: Putin doesn't care how many poor, criminals or ethnics are dead. At this point, it almost seems part of his sinister logic. And if it's even close to accurate - 22k dead in a few months in just one city - then I'm inclined to believe the overall number all along the front for 18 months is much higher, perhaps 8-10 times higher; doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
But hes mostly only the hoast, and Im shure he has many intelectual friends to go back and forth with so I expected alot
There're only one problem propagandist. You can read the REAL casualties on wikipedia.
@@warwarneverchanges4937What’s a hoast?
47,000 Russian KIAs is probably still a low estimate. You can’t use Zhukov’s tactics in the 2020s because you don’t have four million more men in reserve.
At least Zhukov won. If you're using those tactics and winning you can at least say it might be less deadly than a stalemate, but if you use them and still lose then you're just a butcher.
Zhukov was the architect of russias own demise, thanks to all the carnage that the russia population suffered between the early 1900 to WW2 their ethnicity is going extinct next century@@user-wu2hu3us6x
284k soldier obituaries have appeared in Russia newspapers since the smo started.
@@ottoskorzeny9805 Source? If that's true, then the Ukrainians would be undercounting Russian casualties and they are most definitely the last people who'd ever do that. To be fair, the Ukrainians might simply be reporting the numbers they genuinely know, figuring they don't need any adjustments coz they're already staggering. It would be weird, but with all the Chaos and confusion of war, it's certainly possible to undercount your enemy's casualties.
@@ottoskorzeny9805war, not smo
As a general guideline, deaths are often 1/3rd of wounded. Where the troops are of poor quality, poorly equipped and poorly led, the death percentage will rise towards 1/2 of wounded. Conversely, for top quality armies, the percentage is about 10-15% and the total number of casualties is considerably reduced.
Not any more. The coming war will be an abomination like no other for the US and the US will lose.
Amazing episode. This channel is a gem in the vast expanse of KZhead.
I've seen a lot in videos from Russia & Ukraine. The one that still sticks out to me is the soldier that surrendered to a ukrainian drone because he didn't wanna fight anymore. He looked defeated, scared, didnt want to be there, and knew he would die. They took him prisoner. From what i heard, it was the 1st time he'd ate a decent meal in days
From what you heard ? I seen , Ukrainian soldiers cursing there coup leader called a president, I seen Ukrainian soldiers radio Russian troops asking to surrender, I seen Ukrainian soldiers surrender by the thousands complaining about being forgotten on the front let alone “a decent meal” they couldn’t stay warm let alone cook!!!! What the hell are you pointing out ?
@Yoder023. That surrendering Russian soldier wanted to fight and kill Ukrainians up until the moment he thought he was about to be killed himself.
@jimmyavpi So he was a young 19yr old that thought he was all that and could take on the world? Like the average 19yr old??? Wow. Imagine that!
@Yoder023 He was quite happy being in the war while the Ukrainians were in danger and he was armed. As soon as things got to tough for him and it was his life in danger instead of Ukrainian lives, then he surrendered.
@nehemiyah-abiyahbanyasharahla7 I'm highlighting an odd reality. Also, there's descent in Russia. There's been 1 known coup attempt. What's your point tho? To dehumanize him? That killing him during surrender would be justified? That it's OK cuz there's traitors everywhere? What's your point? Mine? Sure: Even he realized how pointless this war was, he admitted that when he surrender and stated he feared death. Even he, at only 19 and not understanding the world, realized what Putin doesn't: This is pointless, stupid, and only leads to loss of life
Thanks, Simon This is an incredibly impressive video. The subject matter could hardly be more serious, so comparing this, in quality, to so many videos which deal with trivial issues maybe shouldn't even be made. Simon's wise guy and sarcastic attitude can sometimes grate. I'm glad that there was none of that here.
Havnt watched it, does he give credit to the writers?
@@jamesmaybrick2001You didn't watch the video, but are commenting on it? Do you survey comments to see if you want to watch it or something? Simon does not appear to thank the writers verbally. I don't think he has done that on any channel. Their names just appear in the sidebar for all of them. Makes me laugh at a lot of comments on all these channels that people think everything Simon says is something he came up with.
I think the last segment of this video where you voice your conclusion is the most telling part of the entire video.
terribly sad but a wonderful video, thank you
I know they were saying that the casualty that the Soviet Army suffered in Afghanistan was about 13,500 although many of the Afghan Soviet veterans said it was closer to 50,000.
major shocker russian govt lied
Casualties are not equal to killed in combat. Casualties are the people whom were hurt but survived too.
@mariano98ify casualties, means those who were killed, wounded captured, or missing.
According to Wikipedia, which I know anybody could edit, it is higher with 14,453-26,000 killed and then another 50,000+ wounded. Even if we double that figure, it still seems that the Ukraine war is going to be worse.
@@mariano98ify Soviet losses killed in action by some estimates is 13,500 in the Afghan War.
As an American vet, I was stationed near Vinnytsia on a year long training and advisory deployment mission in 2015-2016. I met my wife on a weekend pass I took down to Odesa, I’ve been back n forth over the last year helping as much as I can and she has lost several friends and family members to Missile and Drone strikes and some in combat. Her sister and their family was able to get out, as was she and her daughter with my help. Her first husband died in 2014 when the war in Donbas sparked and I met her 18 months later. I will say I always had a deep down feeling this was coming, being a field Human and Signal intelligence NCO. Before Russia started their Aggression in 2014 most Ukrainians had a very indirect or even indifferent opinion of Russia and Russians as a whole, now the feeling is of Never Forgive, Never Forget and Every single Russian on Ukrainian Soil must die even to the last Ukrainian to die accomplishing this. It’s either we kill them all or we’ll die trying in the process. Putin started this and I hope he realizes that he’s going to have to look over his shoulder and watch his back for the rest of his short and pathetic life, many Millions even Billions of people inside and out of Ukraine are longing for the day we get to see and cheer on his neck getting stretched at The Hague. Although I got a feeling someone will get him for us sooner then that. Stay frosty Vlad, as we’ve got drones and bombs with your name on it there you mini Hitler!!!
Putin is the one fighting the nazis.
Thanks for lending a hand to those most in need in Eutrope. Your kind might be the only remedy against collapse of our civilization, or at least the US society. Go tell them appeasers to Kremlin, extremes and 'opposition'. If they can't be bothered to listen to Ukrainians, might be only left those who've been there during this war.
Excellent comment! This is why I get shitty when people start saying that Ukraine should organise a peace with Russia by letting them keep some territories! Mostly coming from USA…. To that I say, which part of USA would you like to give Russia if they invade? it’s a preposterous notion that any civilised society wouldn’t defend their native land forever and a day
@@lillibitjohnson7293 you are crazy. Its easy for you to say who should die. Big fish eat little fish, how many times has the US slaughtered civilians around the world? Shame on you.
What an active US military personal was doing in Ukraine in 2014 exactly?
Some estimates put the number of dead at about 80,000 - 100,000 and about 300,000 wounded. His estimate of about 50,000 dead, the average is 4 to 5 times that would be wounded. So you are looking at 200,000 to 250,000 wounded. That is a pretty high number. Ukraine has also suffered heavy casualties. But being on the defense, would have suffered much less losses than the Russians as offense is very expensive in terms of man power and equipment losses.
Thank you for commentary.
One of the best and informative videos that Simon has ever made.
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
That might be the first time I’ve seen Simon essentially wish death on someone and to end on that note in the video just makes me respect the man even more
I can only imagine the emotional arc he and the rest of the team must have gone through, coming out the end with those Russian per-capita numbers and realizing they felt pity for the enlisted soldiers.
You have respect for someone who wishes death upon another? Uh, but then isn't that what Nazis are all about. FO.
News is hard when your humanity kicks in, this is how you know he is a good man.
My reaction was quite different. I was interested in the question posed by the video's title, and the best answer to that was probably the Pentagon estimate (circa 6:05) of 200k dead equally split... but we have no information about what that was based on. Was that one of the Jack Teixeira leaks? That sounds about right, proportion wise, and is a welcome break from the Ukrainian supermen fantasies that have been rampant from the start. Real war between near-peers without crushing victories (encirclements, etc.) just isn't like that and all the indicia I've seen say that this war is no exception.. So, why is this video just about the RUSSIAN dead? Is there a companion video attempting to estimate Ukrainian losses? If not, why not? I anyway didn't need the virtue signaling about being on the right side of the war. At all. On that subject there's no argument here, which there need not be. But the ipse dixit is tiresome.
@@gandydancer9710 "I anyway didn't need the virtue signaling about being on the right side of the war. At all" Nobody cares nor asked.
Simon, you are awesome in the way you narrate your explanations among all of the videos that you host. It is amazing how you are well informed and well articulated. Also, the research team and the writing work in the background is astonishing. I watched dozens of your videos and each and everyone is a masterpiece. Keep on your wonderful work!
Thank you for your thoughts in the end. My grandfather died fighting another silly little man. I'd have liked to have known him. There's a lot of women crying beside cribs on both sides.
By far your most emotional video and really well done! Your summary was perfect!
47k dead russians, 500k dead Ukrainians, Simon will fight this war to the last Ukrainian,,, goddam coward he is.
"One Ageing autocrats pathetic dreams of an empire".......describes this mess in the best way.
Note to self, don’t be poor in Russia
probably the best video of the realities I have seen on youtube, thank you.
Your conclusion at the end.was brilliant. Well said, Simon 😢
One thing Russian analysts is doing is only counting Russia "soldiers" ignroning DPR, conscripts, and prisoners.
Well said Simon.
Interesting and informative 👍 👌 👏
As a Richmond native I simply can't wrap my head around everyone I've ever known or even just SEEN disappearing and my home becoming a wasteland
Why has Simon even heard of Richmond? love it! #rva
150,000 people die (of all causes) every single day on this planet. Every day. That's 55 million people per year.
Your ending monologue was incredibly touching, the death numbers in relation to the Afghan and Vietnam wars is a real eye opener..........and again, we see it is the poorest and most vulnerable of our human communities that bear the brunt of wealthy dictators and their cronies!!!! This man has to be stopped! Keep up the good work.....
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
Works both ways both equally shit people
Death count in Vietnam: 850 000 north Vietnam 750 000 South Vietnam 60 000 muricans 2 000 000 civilians, mainly by the US. But you didn't count the Asian deaths, did you?
i am from Russia and I am grateful for you to distinguish between poor Russians who are dying in this war and Putin, who started this horror. It hurts me a lot that Ukraine and my contry are suffering from the ambitions of the old dictator, bur thank you for telling that Russian people are mostly desperate and lost in lies which are told to them for 20 years. Слава Украине! Россия будет свободной!
Never have I ever become so emotional watching one of your videos Simon. This one hit me hard, the way you humanized the Russians who have needlessly died was beautiful.
😂 please understand that this is complete B.S. Russia enjoys a 7/1 kill ration. Ukraine is getting destroyed! 80 days of a failed counter offensive. If you would like honest information about the conflict. Col Douglas Macgregor. This was straight propaganda.
same. Right in the feels
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
@@itgoesup3975 I'm afraid I don't feel any sympathy or remorse for young Ruzzian minorities, impoverished or otherwise, who feel perfectly justified to ease their own poor life opportunities by signing up to murder innocent strangers in a foreign land. They are immoral scum and good riddance to them.
They should have gone and voted, they should also have made sure the place they lived was an actual democracy, something our UK and US members might want to consider before they start, if your vote dont matter you do not live in a democracy.
An excellent and very informative video Simon. Thank you. 👍
Great presentation. Sad, sad reality.
Not nomally the sort of video I watch right though to the end, but very very informative, educational and thought provoking. Thank you
Not 10k, The actual Russian casualties are 250K 18 months in. 250k more wounded.
Very well done. You captured the tragedy on both sides very well.
Superb presentation.
Good video. Thanks :)
As shocking as these numbers are, it does not even include the numbers of people, on both sides, that even though they may survive the war, they will be left with life altering injuries and phycological trama.
True. But for the Russians is going to be much worse because - if Russia loses the war as I think it will - those who served and came home with psychological and physical disabilities will not have much care and love. If I was a soldier without limbs or with crippling PTSD, I'd rather be Ukrainian then Russian. At least the Ukrainians have fought for survival, and that psychologically matters I think
@@agaspversilia dude you really need to stop to listening to msm, almost everything they are telling you is lies. Ukraine has already lost, they are on their third army at this point which is being destroyed like the other 2 before were. They have already lost 40,000 plus men since their "counter offensive" started. total Ukrainian KIA is thought to be well over 400,000 at this point.
As I started watching this excellent video, I found myself back in a lecture theatre in 1994. The lecture was about how historians can estimate death rates for the Black Death. Probate documentation survives very well in some parts of Europe and so this can throw useful light on that particular question - who was writing wills and when were they being read - and with care, can be extrapolated. Interesting to read that this modern info is available to the researchers.
There're only one problem propagandist. You can read the REAL casualties on wikipedia.
I wonder how well the Back Death documented probate cases for illiterate peasants and serfs were, considering that many serfs were treated as chattel cattle by the feudal hierarchy. Or even in the urban areas, where entire families died together and their bodies were simply collected and buried quickly in the so-called plague pits. I know there was a huge shortage of countryside serfs after the plague burned itself out in the late 1340s or early 1350s, because they were able to leverage the labor shortage into better conditions and deals with their overlords, which also fueled a technological revolution in agriculture in Europe. I've seen death estimates that run between 30% to as high as 60% of Europe's population dead of the plague, and there are empires between those two numbers.
@@boydgrandy5769 Illiterate or not, the peasantry and others lower down the pecking order, they still inhabited a world with a bureaucracy. It would be in the best interests of feudal lords to facilitate the reading of wills as quickly as possible in order to get someone back on the land and make it productive. Of course, this did not always happen; just look at the phenomenon that is the Deserted Medieval Village. I don't know of any exact site which has been subjected to excavation whereby the evidence points to a dramatic collapse in the mid 14th century - but the cumulative effects of the Black Death - would see many villages abandoned; the fact that serfs would pack up and work for a lord who was willing to pay more (both in money and in kind) certainly added to their demise. If you are interested, the lecture was a critical look at "The Black Death" by Philip Zeigler (Originally published in 1969, the edition I have in my hand is from 2010. I can't find any mention in my copy if it was updated in light of new research. )
@@boydgrandy5769 If there was property, *someone* usually inherited it, even if it was a third cousin, or something like that. And property deeds generally survive better than other documents, in any case. But, you are correct that our sources are better for cities and church properties than for Joe Q. Farmer, aka, 90% of any pre-modern polity. All the same, they are what we have, and we'll never have anything better.
Go back to uni with your fancy pants words and thunking 😅
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The Americans suffered 58k casualties killed in action in Vietnam for 10 years of war 1965-75 . The Russian suffered 250,000 killed in action in Ukraine war for only 19 months of war. But for Putin, it doesn't matter, we have plenty more soldiers available.
Excellent work Simon, Morris and Jen. There's nothing to add, you said it all perfectly.
Phenomenal video. Really well researched, put together, and narrated. And the ending was so incredibly poignant, with Simon seeming to very much share the opinion of the writer of this episode about the toll this war has taken on the young men of Russia's poor, minority regions and the hopeful fate of the war's architect. He delivered that outro so well. I hope to see a sister video to this on Ukraine's losses in the future as well.
"You told me exactly what I was wanting to hear so I enjoyed it alot"
@@codywinkle3621 Nonsense. In no world would I have ever wanted to hear that thousands of young men are being sent to their deaths in a pointless war.
@@codywinkle3621Your comment belays your emotional frailty.
@@codywinkle3621That’s assuming a great deal about the person who wrote that comment. You have no idea what he or she likes to hear. And it’s not that simple. For example, myself. While I enjoy hearing good news about Ukraine’s progress driving the Russians out of it’s territory, I would enjoy waking up tomorrow to find out that Russia has given its illegal invasion of Ukraine by withdrawing back to its own territory. And that includes withdrawing from Crimea-far more than any good news about the war. I want it to end with Russian retreat.
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
Excellent!
Excellent video. Good job. (From Belen, New Mexico U.S.A.)
A powerful episode, one of your better ones. It’s a shame it has to be about such tragedy. Keep up the good work.
As usual a fascinating video from Simon, but I wasn't expecting such powerful words at the very end. Well done. Well spoken,
In other words expecting more propaganda
What A powerful video. So much truth
Wow, very powerful ending. Excellent editorial.
Honestly all of this is kind of expected when you look at Chechnya and Georgia. Feels like the media hyped them up to be wayyy better than what they actually are
It’s intended. The arm company influence the media and hype up the Ivan through video game and movie. One it help increasing arm demand , two it give the Russian false confidence
Their leadership hyped up their capabilities, and the media and intelligence agencies ate it up.
47k dead russians, 500k dead Ukrainians, Simon will fight this war to the last Ukrainian,,, goddam coward he is.
Georgian war that lasted 5 days lol?
@@ChristopherFodor Failed to achieve strategic objectives
Solid video, above and beyond the usual great standards!
Excellent report.
Well Done!
Walking home from surfing on a two miles track listening to this video. It’s so easy to gloss over death numbers for multitude of reasons. Glad you did this.
This is the first time that I have experienced the resolution of the ambivalence between the need to defend Ukraine and the humanization of Russian soldiers in such a clear but empathic way. Because it's nothing more than the truth. No man is born willing or needing to die in war. If you are persuaded or forced to fight and die, you are a victim of the power of others.
tell this to the Ukrainian raped girls, children taken to russia and those who survived torture in basements, how poor and unfortunate russian soldiers are. Unfortunately, you will not be able to tell this to the civilians of Ukraine who were shot by the Russians.
Bravo, Simon.
Thank you for the video. War is an absolutely horrible waste of human life.
This was a really good video by Simon. I am impressed.
Before we feel too bad, don't forget all the looting and war crimes (especially early on when they assumed they'd never be discovered)
We shouldn't feel anything for the vatniks. Ask eastern Europeans from Finland south.
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A very delecate and sensitive subject. Our feelings for all defending people killed. Simon, a delecate subject well researched and presented.
Excellent summation, Simon. Hard hitting, honest and hands down the best you've ever done.
Two things to also consider: 1) the number of missing. Many casualties are simply abandoned and not reported. 2) Corruption. There have been reports of casualties not being reported so that their pay can be pocketed by senior commanders. And since high casualties can make commanders look bad - the casualty lists are trimmed to more acceptable numbers. Also, the ineptitude of Russian staff operations and the deaths of so many staff officers. There may not be enough staff officers to keep track of casualties. There's a good chance that the Russian government has no idea how many people they lost.
Quick question... How does that Only apply to Russia and not to Ukraine?
@@justjoking5841 Well for one thing the Ukrainians have much better casvac (casualty evacuation) procedures and have been very sparing of casualties. Look at the current offensive for example. All attacks start out as probes looking for weak spots, if the position is strongly held the probe withdraws to avoid casualties. If the position isn't strong then the probe opens fire to see how the Russian respond. If the Russians send reinforcements and supports with artillery the probe withdraws after making notes about the enemy positions. The Russian artillery then gets hit with counterbattery fire and the Russian reinforcements are hit on the roads by artillery. (A drawback to laying all those mines is that Russian reinforcements are limited to a few predictable routes.) So even if the probe retreats - they Russians pay the price in lost artillery crews and reinforcements getting hit by artillery when they are on a road they can't leave because of their own mines. If the Russians choose to not send in reinforcements and support the position with artillery the probe puts suppressive fire on the position while tanks and IFVs leave their 'hide' positions to assault the position. Then when the position is over-run the probe moves in and sets up a defense and the armored vehicles retreat in order to avoid likely Russian artillery fire. So far - the Russians have not come up with an effective counter to these tactics. And you can tell that the Ukranian casualties have not been that high because they have cancelled the latest round of mobilizations as not needed at this time. The troops they currently have and the ones currently in training are seen as all they need at the current time. If they were taking as heavy casualties as the Russians claim - they would be mobilizing more troops to replace them. And another thing to keep in mind is who has control of the battlefield when the fighting's over. This is the side that's going to have a good idea as to what the enemy casualties are. The side that had to retreat is not able to know how badly they hurt the enemy. Also remember that in the Russian Army - all bad news has to be tempered with bad news. "The arrack may not have succeeded but the enemy took heavy casualties and are now combat ineffective." This results in another attack on the same position that gets slaughtered. (Because the Russians think that the enemy is too weak to defend it. This is why we see the Russians launching a series of identical failed attacks on a position. They are convinced that 'just one more push' is all that's required to take the position.
Ukraine, one of the most racist corrupt countries in the world.
@@colincampbell767 You have overdosed with BBC and CNN mate... There are already hundreds of videos from Ukrainian soldiers that have as one of major complaints the lack of evacuation of the wounded. Ukraine has lowered the medical standards for conscription so now people with HIV, tuberculosis, hepatitis, neurological diseases etc are now fit for service. Apart from this, Ukraine is probing ways to have its citizens that hare in EU to be sent back home. Women with medical and pharmaceutical education now have to register for military service and as well - they are barred from leaving the country. So I have no idea in what Lalalandia your dreams dwell, but Ukraine's problem with the manpower is catastrophic
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Nice job
I love the very end man good speech.
Very powerful summing up of the situation by Simon at the end.
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
Your closing comment was beautiful, touching, overbearing with truth. I wish more people were articulated enough to express their thoughts like this, the world would be a better place because then the arguments would more valid and impactful, giving the ability to sway a conversation further away from war and more into peace discussions before things ever got to a boiling point. But, alas, we live in a world where intelligence and mental health are not glorified or taken seriously, and we worry more about views and likes. It's sad but we will get there one day. Or just blow ourselves up. Peace either way, I suppose.
Does Poroshenko and Zelensky waging genocide against Donbas mean nothing to you? Does their refusal of Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 mean nothing to you? Does them refusing UN peacekeepers and joint peacekeepers mean nothing to you? Does Angela Merkel and Jens Stoltenberg and Boris Johnson pushing Ukraine to continue genocide and war mean nothing to you? Don't blame Putin. He is ending a decade of genocide. Blame Ukraine and blame their western manipulators. I'm ashamed for you.
I would say atleast 300 000+ by now, they have atleast 500 000+ losses and its absolutly crazy.
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if slightly more than 18% of all 100% confirmed deaths were from wagner, and wagner admit to having >25k deaths it puts a very easy ballpark figure of 125k deaths on the russian side.
Even wagner understates their casualties since most likely they barely count the conscripted prisoners they used for human wave tactics as deaths.
284k Russia soldier obituaries in the newspapers........so far
Great and insightful video as always, with great writing and incredibly great research. Also I'd like to add a little note to explain such high numbers and such divide. Fistly such divide between the rich regions and the poor areas in the death toll is due to a Soviet era recruiting where the war must be kept away at all cost from the centers of power (after all the revolution started in the major city centers in 1917). The second explanation might be found in the nature of the conflict itself, because two compatible armies in technology and doctrine (both of them are heavily influenced by the Soviet doctrine, even if Ukraine has seen improvements thanks to NATO training and equipment) are for the first time facing on the battlefield since ww2, unlike the Chechen, Georgian and Afghan war were the Russian/Soviet army faced a technologically inferior (not Georgia though), underprepared and underequipped army. Obviously after this wonderful video about Russian deaths during the war we all can't wait about a similar video on estimating the Ukrainian death toll to finally shed some light on the war of lies: after all the first casualty in war is thruth itself. Keep up the great work because you are one of the only few KZheadrs that I've found really great at reporting without any prejucide or leaning on any side.
Putin wanted to promote a COUP in Ukraine by the Ukrainian military taking over, NOT a war. 50K Russians died and over 300K Ukrainiand died. The whole Ukrainian Army at the beginning of the war is destroyed by now.
While I don't have the rabbit hole of research or evidence, I would feel like it is a safe assumption that Ukraine has lost not necessarily a significant amount more so far, but definitely more. They were mostly underprepared from the beginning which is why I think the little green men were able to take so much ground initially. Once the front line stabilized, it was just Cannon fodder back and forth most likely. Then Bahkmut happened. I definitely think it was a meat grinder on both sides, but one wood infer that the attacking side would have lost significantly more troops per se. At this point I would venture to say the death toll numbers on both sides are starting to balance out. But unfortunately with Ukraine now becoming the aggressor even with advanced Intel, weaponry, and training from the west, they are still going to lose more as this progresses on. But ultimately I believe this is a war that Russia cannot win. Even with China quietly supplying Russia, and Iran doing it out in the open.
@@The_Real_Corbin_Dallas attacker always loses more. Overall, russians have without a doubt lost more men than ukraine, as russians have been on the offensive for most of this war. That only changed recently.
I don't think so either, because Russia was the ones attacking, and they lost a lot because of it which were visible at the start of the war, and throughout the first year.
@@moonasha On subject of who has lost more casualties while your point about the defender generally suffering fewer military losses is valid. Ukraine however has also suffered vastly more civilian losses than Russia and their is also the question of do killed and wounded from the Crimea, the DPR and the LPR as well as others recruited/press ganged by the Russian military in other occupied Ukrainian lands count as Ukrainians or Russian losses? Recently one of the major formations from Dontenesk (2nd largest city in Ukraine prior to 2014) lost its third commander and its believed that such Ukrainian formations fighting with the Russian Army have suffered worst casualty rates than anyone other than Wagner assault formations in this war. Partly because Russian Generals would sooner use such "allied" formations to do the really hard attacks rather than their own men. Appreciate that for a 2nd generation Russian speaking miner born and breed in the Ukrainian Donbass but holding multi passports who father may have served in the Red Army prior to 1991 and still has family and friends across the border and does his shopping in Belgorod the question am I Russian, Ukrainian or something else is not a easy one to answer. The fact that this war is for so many vitually a civil war makes its even more terrible.
This was powerful, Simon. Thank you, but please slow down your delivery - too fast for an old man.
Very touching ending, lets hope that its over soon and peace will be seen.
01:03 - Nothing wrong with being geeky/Nerdy that massively helps our understanding of whatever topic is being presented on this channel 👌🏻
That is, legitimately, the most intense takedown I've ever heard from Simon. 24:37
Very good video. Thank you for the words at the end, Simon.
Ever since i saw the mobik cube i knew that accurate casualties will probably never be known in this conflict
Extremely informative video, the quality of which was matched only by the sheer power of your monologue at the end. Wonderfully done.