I love that Berger and Dibb decided to dedicate an entire half of the programme to an eloquent, respectful and insightful all-women panel discussion of the depiction of women in european art, where Berger just sits quietly and listens. 2020 could learn a lot from this almost 50 year old video.
@BarnabyWalters3 жыл бұрын
Are men not expected to have an opinion? Are women not expected to have opinions on the depiction of men ?
@legalmonkey8 ай бұрын
I dunno. Lots of men sit silent while women go on.
@johntomlinson68497 ай бұрын
@@legalmonkey Of course men are expected to have opinions, and of course women are expected to have opinions on the depictions of men! One must take into account the context: the panel in the video is one on /women/ in European art. This is something with a complicated history of extremely imbalanced dynamics- the first portion of the video itself elaborates upon how women have been viewed as objects. Thus, having a panel comprising of women, where the male host is mostly the observer and not participant, makes sense: it is a topic where women haven't historically been in position to comment on. Now, if the subject was /men/ in European art- while I'm positive women would have intelligent input, a panel of men wouldn't be inappropriate. It's just a matter of context- both situational and historical.
@cfairlead25287 ай бұрын
OMG! You woke, crypto-marxist monster! ;-)
@USERNAMEfieldempty5 ай бұрын
@@legalmonkey it's called basic decency to not interrupt when someone talk. Most males lack this quality especially when it's a women talking. Have I made it clear?
@bsskfks29743 ай бұрын
No one’s going to mention how eloquent the five women in the discussion are? Just everyday eloquence in casual conversation
@strawberriesandcandy4 жыл бұрын
Was just about to...
@silverapples753 жыл бұрын
I kind of love the camera cutting as he was explaining the parameters of the discussion to the young woman taking a deep sip of her glass of wine as if to say "Oh boy, here we go."
@elizabethperry26223 жыл бұрын
Not exactly casual conversation though. It's a prepared discussion for television about which they would have been pre-briefed (though obviously it's not scripted). They would've had the opportunity to prepare themselves with more "eloquence" than a typical everyday conversation, so to speak.
@marcasdebarun68792 жыл бұрын
@@marcasdebarun6879I haven’t seen such eloquence for many years in current media. Not only are there less and less sources for such content but this eloquence can now only be found coming from professors and experts in a field, not young college students. These days, I keep seeing clips from college kids not being able to answer even the most basic common knowledge questions.
@dim9753Ай бұрын
@@dim9753I understand what you're saying, although a lot of that can be cherrypicking too; the more dumbed down and outrageous a piece of content is, the more the algorithm will push it, you understand? It's less that people (whether they're college students or not) are stupider, but that the current climate of social media encourages more outrageous content. I myself finished with being a college student not even a year ago, and the majority of people I interacted with were just as astute and eloquent as the women in this video. Sadly the internet has given the 'village idiot'. so to speak, a voice on equal level with anyone else. It's so easy to find content that uncritically confirms your own worldview (especially if such a worldview is negative) nowadays. Comparing a clip from a prepared discussion on a TV show from the 70s with cherrypicked clips of random people on the street being unable to answer 'simple' questions is simply a false equivalence. I wouldn't put much stock in it.
@marcasdebarun6879Ай бұрын
This guy was so, so far ahead of his time. Here we are over 50 years later struggling to make our TV and movies as incisive and inclusive as this series. Bravo.
@lesleyegbert48077 ай бұрын
I can’t express how grateful I am to have seen this video. I recently discovered that I am a woman with a man inside me watching a woman. Only through his eyes am I able to see myself. I am my own voyeur, my own spectator. I always thought I was above that, that I was living independently from the male fantasy. I am not. The discussion in the second half of the film nearly brought me to tears. I’ve never felt more connected to a group of women in my life.
@yasminaelkamaly5543 Жыл бұрын
'I am a woman with a man inside me watching a woman' - in this, you've managed to elucidate a feeling I've had for at least ten years. Thank you for that. The only difference is that I'm male, and the person inside of me, watching me, is female.
@Feltay Жыл бұрын
Ha ha, that is hilarious.
@michaelpoindexter8886 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelpoindexter8886 why
@HexagonSun990 Жыл бұрын
@@HexagonSun990 - Well, first of all, many women have a man inside of them - temporarily. Occasionally, I am a man inside a woman. Secondly, and more to the original point, this "discovery" of transitioning is a fad brought on by social media. I feel sorry for the poor people so brain washed by this stupid and unscientific idea that they permanently disfigure their bodies.
@michaelpoindexter8886 Жыл бұрын
"Availability implies passivity." What insight!
@mescellaneous4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know which book is she talking about?
@aeronm9679 Жыл бұрын
Back in the 1970s in art college, I studied John Berger's book of the same title. When you think of how early this was - 1972 - you see it was quite enlightened. This insight has largely been forgotten in current society, which hurls advertising images at people 24/7, and needs to be retaught, so I'm glad this is available on KZhead. The lack of pubic hair is another great point: It infantilizes women, imparting them with the ultimate passivity of a sexualized child for a perverse, insecure male gaze. Of course now we have much more information about women artists, whose depictions of women show strength, action, and character. But in reality, a man's worth is still what he accomplishes; a woman's is still what she looks like.
@elainealibrandi63643 жыл бұрын
No mother, with healthy children, is in the end judged by her looks.
@dancooper4733 Жыл бұрын
@@dancooper4733 so you imply that every womans endgoal should be to become a mother so she's accepted in mens society?
@bbeam13 Жыл бұрын
@@bbeam13 no women should have children because that's what they are designed to do. They do something amazing that men can't do which is nurture and create life. I don't know why people like you belittle this. It's not something that 'male society' imposes it's something god wants when he created women. In other words it's biological. The other guy is right to say that men are always judged by their acts, actions or deeds. This is just the fact of life.
@Goths-On-The-Beach Жыл бұрын
@@dancooper4733 With respect, I don't think you know men very well.
@anodyne5711 ай бұрын
I agree with you in the first part but I like how in the video he was specific about it being in western europe oil paintings because if you looked in other cultures it’s not necessarily the same. Maybe today it is because the world is all connected together but before it wasn’t like this. I am egyptian and from a yound age we learn about powerful women characters in history and even in our religion we learn that we are equal in front of God and that our sexuality needs to be preserved for our own good so women are seen for their true self while being covered because you focus on the mind not the looks. I will say it again it’s doesn’t necessarily apply now as we had lots of interactions with other cultures throughout the history so the current status will be affected but from our history I can tell you surely women have and will always have a high statement and appreciation for her mind and her strength and being a mother.
@ahlamamr46598 ай бұрын
I love how he (very) briefly notes the non European pictorial traditions (I.e Hindu) as example of what is clearly a much healthier alternative to the solipsistic art of the West. I’ve always enjoyed the way Indian art portrays sexuality. The figures often display such a sense of communion and shared pleasure more closely related to the joy of the real act and minus the mannerisms and fetishes of the sexually inadequate European art-commissioning elites.
@rafaelreadsfiction99794 жыл бұрын
It's very ironic how these roles are reversed in our cultures now. Sexuality, thanks to colonialism, has become a very hush-hush topic in traditional Indian households. A shame really.
@badboy3336669994 жыл бұрын
@@badboy333666999 I was going to reply with something similar lmao
@trishak.13333 жыл бұрын
@@badboy333666999 agreed
@Kirihere2 жыл бұрын
@@badboy333666999 so true
@rgng Жыл бұрын
Yes! I love the woman's perspective at 17:23, with which I completely agree: being naked while others are dressed is humiliating, not "empowering", as is the modern line. It's a mark of subservience. You could apply this comment directly to strip clubs. Indeed, you could cut and paste Berger's entire commentary on the collection of female nude paintings in European art history, with a few substitutions, to mainstream pornography for men today.
@scoobydisney5 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@59Manreality5 жыл бұрын
The show is excellent, the comment by scoobydisney is as well
@59Manreality5 жыл бұрын
@Gwen Lofman I don't quite get this idea of having agency over presenting yourself as empowerment when precisely the act displaying oneself or making oneself something that is to be seen as sight different from being forced. Even if one did 'choose' to do the act, it will be still seen the same way - objectified.
@zeldenok3 жыл бұрын
I know it sounds like BS, but my personal experience was actually the opposite! I worked as a freelance model for 10 years. I would take photographers out to the desert and pose nude...and when we got to the location and I removed my dress, most of the time it was like I had put on some kind of weird force field. My nakedness made many of the men nervous, clumsy and awkward...when to me, it was nothing at all because I did it for a living, multiple times a week. It was kind of funny to me because people were always worrying about my safety.. when 99% of the time I felt like I had the upper hand. Much of the photographers' nervousness was probably due to the fact that I was taking these guys out to the middle of nowhere, in my own vehicle, where there's no cell signal... so they couldn't call for help even if they wanted to. But some of their awkwardness definitely seemed directly connected to my no-nonsense, straightforward approach to being naked. I didn't shyly or coyly strip out of my clothing --I would just whip my dress off in one motion, and then just be standing there naked like, "OK, how do you want me to pose?" It almost made some of them flinch, like they couldn't even look at me. Sort of like a Medusa type of power 😆 I understand that in all of these situations, the man ultimately held the power because he was the one paying me to get naked. But most of the time I did not experience humiliation, even when I was naked in seminars or workshops when there were many clothed photographers around. I get what you're saying, and I do think there's a lot of truth there... I just thought I would share my own experience, which was oddly empowering at times. To this day I consider it a kind of superpower that I don't mind being naked in front of anyone, anywhere, anytime. No one can blackmail me or embarrass me!
@Wonderhussy10 ай бұрын
Can you imagine seeing something like this on TV now?
@MattWrafter7 ай бұрын
I LOVE THIS MAN LIKE I HAVE NEVER LOVED A MAN
@keysersoze43227 жыл бұрын
Keyser Söze
@marialuisavillalba34327 жыл бұрын
I have a secret for ya
@doga94267 жыл бұрын
I empathise
@bertovito55716 жыл бұрын
"To be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognised for oneself. A nude has to be seen as an object in order to be a nude.” I worked as a freelance nude model for 10 years, and I only now find out about this guy....WOW 🤩
@Wonderhussy10 ай бұрын
It's really interesting. And powerful. I love the opening lines, "Men dream of women and women dream of themselves being dreamed of". I think this is true. But then, I'm a man. So what do I know? When you were a nude model how did it make you feel and what role did you think you were playing? I'm not a weirdo, I'm genuinely interested in your agency, and your view on it.
@mrb709410 ай бұрын
@@mrb7094 I loved those opening lines too! So true. My ego enjoyed being leered at... But the reality --the nuts-and-bolts of the job -- it wasn't really fun. It was a grind, and I was hyper-concerned with my physicality and how I lookedI... I think any kind of looks-based work is psychically taxing. You can only portray a fantasy for so long...then you get hungry or crabby or old or tired or all of the above, you have to move on. But, I found it a valuable experience because it helped me shed a lot of fears... Even as it nurtured other fears😆
@Wonderhussy10 ай бұрын
@@Wonderhussy Thanks for coming back. Really insightful. Any job that requires you to be young(er) and fit has to end eventually of course. And my Mum used to say, avoid getting a career with a job you can mime 😆. With AI coming along they'll be the only jobs left in the end, mind you. Interesting about fears. I think that's biggest difference between men and women in the work place. Men somehow can fake confidence or have it bestowed upon them. For women that's much harder. Perhaps the only industry where that is reversed is sex work! I'm using that as a very broad term by the way. Take care.
@mrb709410 ай бұрын
I felt an "ah-ha" moment when the girl was sharing her thoughts women and availability. how the underlying motive is availability for others (men) to validate our image(self) and how that breeds passivity.
@Brenda-uf8pk6 жыл бұрын
Did... Did I just get an warning about "inappropriate content" for a educational program about looking at art and an examination of the depiction of women in Western culture? Are the KZhead mods insane? That's the kind of censorship that gives people complexes.
@elizabethperry26223 жыл бұрын
I’m glad that my views on female nudity in art are shared. I’ve always hated that women were always depicted as nude in art. It’s objectifying no matter what people claim.
@Corvid2856 жыл бұрын
@@beefar0ni dude why r u commenting so much hatred everywhere it's not cool
@tina-fz9ht5 жыл бұрын
There's a bunch of nude art that aren't objectifying. On the contrary they can be VERY subjective. Just take a look at Lady Dahmers paintings.
@ronjacato93094 жыл бұрын
I remember in 3rd grade when I first started to wear training bras that I had frequent nightmares about taking off my clothes during class. I wasn’t doing it willingly I was just... doing it. Everyone looked at me. This was the time when I first started sexualizing myself through the male gaze, or seeing myself as a “nude”. I’ve never felt this understood in a while. I wish we could talk about subjects like these more openly. I think it would really help both women and men understand misogyny better if they saw this video.
@freddietick78163 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry about that, that must've been a truly traumatizing experience.
@TheSlicingSword2 жыл бұрын
This goes HARD damn
@toriymoi60825 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I watched this. Thank you so much. I believe every girl and women should see this, and it can change dramatically the way she lives her life.
@oleksandrab67163 жыл бұрын
and so should every man and gender :) i think we all have so much to learn from here. Made me empathasize a lot more with women i believe
@alecothegecko2 жыл бұрын
Such an incredibly influential programme - absolutely central to feminist thinking in the UK through the 70s. I'm a guy but was raised as a feminist and I've very grateful for that. Every generation has to re-fight these arguments and they are as important now as they were then.
@mrb709410 ай бұрын
Incredibly beautiful soundscape at the beginning of the episode. As if it were Eno, before Eno was Eno. Ambient drone with legendary, epic overtones. So forward thinking. The BBC was truly an avant garde broadcaster in those days. How lucky the world was to have this perspective.
@anodyne5711 ай бұрын
Delia Derbyshire did the soundtrack... Look her up! She was a total badass
@Wonderhussy10 ай бұрын
This is incredible
@sukindiamuzik7 ай бұрын
How graceful these women in the discussion are! Such a beautiful voice, erudition, amazing style, open minded and intelligent women ❤
@tatianasmirnova90936 ай бұрын
lovely to hear articulate people speaking with intelligence and individuality. Whatever happened to education since?
@TheSapphire518 жыл бұрын
+Mairead Ryan Probably has something to do with the words "slashed government funding." Because that's all that seems to happen these days.
@heliumtrophy8 жыл бұрын
In most schools art education itself is now extinct. Both visual art and music. Government demanded that children be made to study 'useful' subjects. Those which more readily lead to employment and moneymaking.
@digitalsketchbook96447 жыл бұрын
Mairead Ryan corporate fascism happened
@joshfrench64267 жыл бұрын
Postcard John "college of business"
@joshfrench64267 жыл бұрын
NWO
@401xyz2 ай бұрын
Thank God, we have KZhead, and we can find a gem like this, if we really want to.
@RESPBROADCAST2 жыл бұрын
why did I look at the comments. why did I look at the comments.
@CaptainHoers8 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on this one don't look at the comments
@lachlandoig7637 жыл бұрын
haha! my thoughts exactly
@200_cuentos7 жыл бұрын
You were on crack
@kevinbill95746 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the warning! I'll stop looking now!
@pmfnr6 жыл бұрын
Because this shit is boring as fuck, that's why you looked... 😉
@radulTM4 жыл бұрын
The fastest 28 minutes of my life, I can't believe how engrossed I was.
@christodoula Жыл бұрын
This is why I've always loved looking at Egon Schiele's depiction of women (and sometimes of men) because I find he is the only artist (maybe not) who can paint women in the most honest and vulnerable way. I feel represented when I look at his paintings and it's the most fulfilling thing when someone can look at your nakedness entirely and not see you merely as an object to be looked at.
@AlyssaSheeran4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree but also then find him even more fascinating when you then think of the ridiculous and uncomfortable positions he forced his models to pose in in order to paint them this way
@gabrielmcphillips63602 жыл бұрын
I love how much this episode is a product of its time. Feminism on the rise, the Dagenham strikes national news and a matter of a few years before Laura Mulvey publishes her 'Male Gaze' theory. Imagine if Berger had attempted such an analysis back in the 1950s with a panel of women. Would have been a very different show. Though he still would have been smoking a cigarette in it haha!
@siobhanoneill20604 жыл бұрын
So, so, so sad that this is the only one of these posted that doesn't include subtitles. I'm teaching a course to a number of people who speak English as a second language (thus the sub-titles are deeply useful) and this is the episode that is most germane to their work. ...nonetheless, thank you immensely for posting them.
@nothersheep9 жыл бұрын
Search for subtitles on google, download the video and then convert it adding the subtitles
@wallingfordartschool9 жыл бұрын
just turn them on in the settings at the bottom right. ?
@annieamlvventures79389 жыл бұрын
Annie amlvventures Thank you!
@sylviezhuang26319 жыл бұрын
Sylvie Zhuang The 'subtitles' are totally inaccurate
@TheGlitzieGirl19 жыл бұрын
totally inaccurate overstates it, but I was curious what the book was that one of the woman mentioned, and the google subtitles came up with "He's to our dog" which left me none the wiser
@JohnHarmer6 жыл бұрын
Marvelous paintings shown. The art of seeing and how to distinguish nude from naked led to an interesting conversation. They do know as experts what art really means.
@ingridllinas5612 Жыл бұрын
The entire series is so eye-opening. I recall watching it in 1972 - and we have lost something as a species since then. As a male, I feel that while some men are driven by the human traits described here, some of us are, as unfortunate as it is, also merely victims of the riddle - to use a certain female singer's reference. Just as women are brought up to feel a sense of inadequacy via pure objectification - so too are men taught, via peer pressure and state interference, that said state of affairs is perfectly normal and the correct way to behave. We are ALL victims.
@awotnot2 жыл бұрын
I want to subscribe but theres no subscribe button on your KZhead channel meow.
@klakkinkittykat Жыл бұрын
@@klakkinkittykat probably done to the powers that be tossers
@awotnot Жыл бұрын
I worked as an art model in 2020 and I had to wear a mask while nude and posed. It was the best job I've ever had.
@em-ho5dt2 жыл бұрын
22:29 '..she waits only for the present interaction with a man. And that can go; that can just end at any moment.' - aaand he turns away without a word.
@peline34908 жыл бұрын
Oh my..
@robertastuart74346 жыл бұрын
He's keeping his input to a minimum.
@nefariousnilbog4 жыл бұрын
Everything that woman said was spot on and is true to this day. Nothing has changed; men build a value store and women sit and wait for a man to interact with her.
@uniktbrukernavn29 күн бұрын
Thank you very much, very relevant, once again!
@jacaranda2bloom11 жыл бұрын
That old lady speaks so posh and elegantly
@junseliu10324 жыл бұрын
I came here because my favorite film critic (A mexican woman) talked about the doc while doing a review for portrait of a lady on fire which I consider it's a nice summary of this episode applied to a movie
@jorgecuarezma40352 жыл бұрын
Who is the film critic?
@0ggy._.647 Жыл бұрын
@@0ggy._.647 Fernanda Solorzano. This is the review about the movie: kzhead.info/sun/fbSHZbakm3dtZI0/bejne.html
@jorgecuarezma4035 Жыл бұрын
@@0ggy._.647 They might be referring to Broey Deschanel
@anonymous-zs9rn Жыл бұрын
That was a very enlightening episode and I found the discussion at the end to be brilliant and insightful
@cragnog5 жыл бұрын
That was, truely, wonderful.
@Paulinemoke6 жыл бұрын
spectacular
@woodchuckandfox9 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see these perspectives.
@DannieSinisi Жыл бұрын
Genial! Gracias.
@cristopherj.23814 жыл бұрын
I love the feminist perspective! This was far ahead of it's time :D
@Marxnchill8 жыл бұрын
+Lisa Janine Really, it's very much of its time. Feminism was fresh and thriving and it had literate advocates in Britain like Germaine Greer, who also wrote on the subject of art. Unfortunately, feminism became bogged down in dogma. There became less and less opportunity for an open minded attitude. Feminism became synonymous with political correctness, which crippled the movement to some degree.
@jamisondavid1008 жыл бұрын
+2manysecrets Yes, equal rights for women - so extreme and so wrong.
@NickOLarse9998 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should consult a dictionary.
@Aldrenean7 жыл бұрын
Definitely not far ahead of its time (70's). It's just that we're regressing. Older feminists works is something I recommend. Most of it is still relevant today.
@mariasja12346 жыл бұрын
Well when he starts, the statement is how women is precevied - which is true. But add on to this - how are men being preceived by women, and how adverts make us precevi men - and vice versa.
@Rikard_A6 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I watched it, even though it was truly difficult for me as a male. THank you for the upload.
@cli2603 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant, period.
@jontalbot12 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic series; Part I made me think about how AI will change our perceptions of and responses to the world, as the camera did-or does.
@lawrencebechtel27595 ай бұрын
What a gem!
@Greenwood892 жыл бұрын
Holy shit the woman at the end hit that spot on
@themakeupbyimani7 жыл бұрын
U DONT GET QUALITY PROGRAMS LIKE THIS ANYMORE. THIS IS AS HE SAYS A EUROCENTRIC VIEW OF THE WORLD. DIFFERENT CULTURES SEE DIFFERENTLY ...........
@Edwardsblackk9 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
@qepri10 жыл бұрын
still brilliant
@staceykennedy15053 жыл бұрын
This is EVERYTHING.
@figthorn5 жыл бұрын
It is not.
@s3ntry9483 жыл бұрын
10000000% relatable
@lolaurabc7 жыл бұрын
Damn, those women got real!
@naira15034 жыл бұрын
Great!
@samo9172 жыл бұрын
where can i find TV like this today? not in the US.
@darl677 жыл бұрын
Nowhere on TV I'm afraid. Luckily, we've got KZhead!
@DeBrockGallery7 жыл бұрын
Sean Dawkins Definitely not the US. Fucking North Korea lite
@joshfrench64267 жыл бұрын
Look up Adam Curtis on youtube and watch the documentaries he has been making. They are thought provoking and engaging. Especially check out Hypernormalisation, The Trap, The Power of Nightmares, and The Century of Self.
@Hi-eq9rz7 жыл бұрын
'The Age of the Image' was a similarly interesting documentary which came out this year.
@lungbarrow64073 жыл бұрын
does anyone know the name of the song that plays during the title sequence and credits?
@2010Rococo20104 жыл бұрын
21:29 doob. Just that shot after what she was saying... the best anthropoid pose.
@eustacequinlank74184 жыл бұрын
cool!
@zondabez10 жыл бұрын
@15:55 this women would be suprised how real this pantings are today
@SuperPatinator7 жыл бұрын
where the hell did my closed captions go
@blee79674 жыл бұрын
how can i make the subtitles for this video? thanks
@200_cuentos7 жыл бұрын
Can anyone understand the name of the book the women with the glasses is saying at 19:06??
@ellenthemighty52543 жыл бұрын
Why is this part the only part that youtube mentions "this video may be inappropriate for some users."?! Interesting.
@laylamatos2 жыл бұрын
Interesting discussion but I still love all the paintings depicted no matter the intent of the artist. Art allows us to look at ourselves with all our beauty and all our flaws. It’s a stunning visual history of the way we see ourselves wether through beauty of the way we are depicted or the ugliness behind the intent. The discussion does assume that the artist and the viewer are voyeurs but when I take in these works I become the painting …it’s as if I am in that world and I am the subject looking out at the viewer through a chasm of centuries. When Insee an image of Christ on a cross …I don’t see Christ …I am that man nailed to a cross. Art can be amazing and horrific and frightening and full of joy; it can be tainted with all the ingredients of a perfume both floral and fragrant and foul and grotesque. As much as people want to make all this art a devicive tool in a argument about gender ….the truth is all art is a testament to our species in the way we see ourselves. Judge the artist all you want but simply the act of making something so stunning is to lay bare your soul …to stand naked before your audience and let that jeering crowd judge you. Perhaps the artist was merely painting a nudge from personal experience. A self portrait of a way to express how easily it can be to create in front of judgement.
@RayCaesar1111 Жыл бұрын
what is to me profound about the creation story (I am as pretty atheist as the come); is how it plays out analogy with language and existentialism. We today know that language and trees are closely related, linguists, computer scientists, mathematicians and geneticists are all basically worshiping different tree structures in order to detail language, purely so that it can be enjoyed in the human mouth, like sweet fruit. We are also clearly aware that with structured language a mysterious "back-structuring" happens too - we might carefully construct language so its unambiguous, but it can also very easily structure us (verbal abuse for instance can literally restructure your genes). So it is obvious what the tree represents here in this story - language and the fruits it can bare. Now what would you upon finding out you are also a tree, you are inside a tree and there are tree's forming inside of you. Suddenly you feel your place in the universe, just a fruit on another tree? You revolt!
@KeithMakank35 жыл бұрын
Can anyone recommend more BBC episodes like this relating to art history?
@ladychaoticpain4 жыл бұрын
the ascent of man
@awotnot2 жыл бұрын
Philomena Cunk
@cats5351 Жыл бұрын
What is the name of the book she gives 19:07?
@desiprincess4lyfe10 жыл бұрын
Anyone know what the book is referenced around 19:00 by the lady with the fringe and glasses?
@krystinatyrtania56696 жыл бұрын
story of O!
@tina-fz9ht5 жыл бұрын
21:31 My man, rolling a blunt for later.
@DiskSystems6 жыл бұрын
any english subtitles for this episode? thanks
@markchan00610 жыл бұрын
click CC on the bottom of the video, youtube's subtitles come up - with all the usual amusing inaccuracies
@JohnHarmer6 жыл бұрын
At 19:07, a book is referred to. Does anyone know it?
@yuyushiratori93807 жыл бұрын
Story of O
@kpopperplix2 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that KZhead places a warning on the content of this episode. Is it because it features paintings of women in the nude? Or is it because the message being conveyed so centrally challenges the dominant discourse of 'women in the world'? Watching this 50 years after it was made and its relevance abides.
@swannyla2 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, does anyone know the name of the Art/Artist of the Nude Painting of the woman holding a mirror in her hand - "Vanity??"
@isanagill2 жыл бұрын
geez, i'd love to know what the music at the start of this is
@whitehouseblackroom8 жыл бұрын
Delia Derbyshire
@cayko.07 жыл бұрын
is it?
@vata17a7 жыл бұрын
After watching the entire series I'm not certain, but she is named in the credits.
@cayko.07 жыл бұрын
As Mr. Berger cautioned us in the first part, it's on us to take what he portrays here with some skepticism. I would likewise encourage people to compare the descriptions and opinions given in this with, for example, the social mores displayed in our present situation, whether it be the (callous?) nature of online dating, or the scandalous portrayal through something like OnlyFans. Human nature does not change, even if the depictions of it do.
@seqvenzerАй бұрын
It's Histoire d'O (translated as The Story of O)
@helenevans390510 жыл бұрын
Oh, thank you so much! I've been looking for the title.
@pspspsjora4 жыл бұрын
It could be argued that the surge of classical mythological motifs in European art allowed men to objectify and sexualize women more freely in ways they couldn't before due to the previous predominance of religious morality on society and culture, though i might be wrong.
@mateosanfitz96253 жыл бұрын
Here after a philosophise this episode
@bruno96633 жыл бұрын
Why is this censored by KZhead?
@aditiagrawal94758 ай бұрын
27:30 what is the name of this painting?
@mariaaaa11282 жыл бұрын
can anyone please tell the name of the book being talked about @ 19:06
@shutupbyrd__2 жыл бұрын
Histoire d'O (the story of O)
@Alaa-zi4rt2 жыл бұрын
R.I.P
@philiphammar7 жыл бұрын
8:55 I 100% agree
@Marissaiscool533 ай бұрын
24:30 I didn't realize there was more than one place on Earth where -other than the united states having a 'southern drawl'- existed. I knew someone from Atlanta that would take 20 minutes in telling me he had broken a dish that afternoon!
@Norfolk250 Жыл бұрын
Can anyone make out what book title she mentions at 19:06??
@aislingphelan5114 Жыл бұрын
Histoire d'O | Story of O
@baioscoxae7 ай бұрын
Imagine if he saw the era of social media or mass porn all over the internet. I've always wished i was alive to experience life without the internet or be a teenager without feeling the pressure of insatgram. I think it's sad that being naked is humiliating because it's the most natural state you can be in, but even if you you managed to get over your own embarassment the police would literally put you in jail just for not wearing clothes
@danaepassarelli38964 жыл бұрын
Because it’s an immoral act.
@TheEpicAB3 жыл бұрын
I'm so tired of hearing women say how great it is for young girls today. Social media is a sewer.
@metalguru61523 жыл бұрын
He did. He only died in 2017.
@michaelcullen53082 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥
@metalguru615210 ай бұрын
Can someone clarify the naked vs. nude perspective in this video? Thanks
@wb78365 жыл бұрын
to be naked is to be oneself. To be nude is to be seen without clothes by others and yet not recognized for oneself but only as a naked body. The body comes before the person. A naked body seen as an object becomes a nude. Looking at a body without clothes on as an object strips the person of personality reduces the person to only an object of a naked body to be viewed and consumed. Who the person is means nothing it is the nude body that is being viewed. Nakedness reveals itself. To be naked is to be without a disguise of clothing. Nudity is to be placed on display. In a nude painting, everything is composed so the body is on display for the viewer. (or something like that.) :)
@sparklord664 жыл бұрын
Everyone complicates it: naked is without clothes; nude is when it's called art.
@401xyz2 ай бұрын
Anyone knows another documentary like this one? : ) ?
@qepri10 жыл бұрын
SUPERlate to the party, but Hannah Gadsby's "Nakedy Nudes". Only a few episodes unfortunately but it's really great.
@0h0h0h05 жыл бұрын
@@0h0h0h0 i found it useful, thanks
@AishaOLewa3 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. Anya Bostock
@steepertree6 жыл бұрын
Where can you find a transcript of this
@maialoves143you7 жыл бұрын
it's a book - ways of seeing. not sure if it would be a direct transcript though.
@tina-fz9ht5 жыл бұрын
Under video, click on the 3 dots (...) Then, select "Open Transcript"
@uncabelle4 жыл бұрын
Read "The Hermeneutics of Suspicion" by Paul Ricoeur.
@robotubetwob7 ай бұрын
I wonder what John Berger would think of nudes today. I love how women express themselves around the matter so genuinely.
@kedithmiaff2 жыл бұрын
not John Berger but you might be interested in Paul B. Preciado and what he calls the "pharma-pornographic-complex". His philosophy is very focused on how the advent of laptops and smart phones make it possible to create your own pornography at home and how people are trained to objectify themselves.
@ronan_42 Жыл бұрын
lol @ the spelling of Ingres in the closed captioning (Aang)
@kennedyfield79486 жыл бұрын
what does she really mean when she said there is something worth of in themselves (in men), which the woman don't have?
@Schneeeulenwetter7 жыл бұрын
I think she was saying that since men go out and do things in the world, they create their self-image is based on the things that they do. So they shape their own identity and self worth through their actions. Whereas women, who traditionally don't work or interact with the world like men do, rely on other people to give them their worth and identity. Women are passive and domestic, so they are less able to form their own self worth. Something like that? i'm replying a year late oops :")
@tina-fz9ht5 жыл бұрын
I see that 70s was the time when humankind reached the peak of enlightenment and after then, it's been a downhill ride.
@amandeepsingh81522 жыл бұрын
lsd needs to make a comeback.
@kaneda73682 жыл бұрын
John Berger, at least in this episode, is a model of listening to and platforming the perspectives of those whose everyday lives are affected by the commodification of the female body. Cis guys would do well to learn from this. Ever since I was about 4 I've been assessing myself through aesthetic ideals absorbed from art and media, and I often wonder just how many men are constantly thinking about how they are being seen and judged. Pretty much everyone assigned female at birth has lived with this hyper-awareness of how you are perceived and what it means for your future, and often your safety. On a lighter note, I wish I could time travel to just sit in a pub and chat with the woman with the glasses and the one with curly hair - they were so wise and insightful!
@laurenr1087 Жыл бұрын
"it's by lawrence etty"
@pulso46277 жыл бұрын
I would have preferred it if the women had only been shown the paintings and given their thoughts, not followed Berger's commentary.
@dejureclaims82147 жыл бұрын
YO YO YO DÉDI DÉDICACE À TOUS LES GENS DE L'ENSAAMA ON EST LA !!!!!
@zajac3268 Жыл бұрын
99% of comments: big words?? must be propaganda! :/
I love that Berger and Dibb decided to dedicate an entire half of the programme to an eloquent, respectful and insightful all-women panel discussion of the depiction of women in european art, where Berger just sits quietly and listens. 2020 could learn a lot from this almost 50 year old video.
Are men not expected to have an opinion? Are women not expected to have opinions on the depiction of men ?
I dunno. Lots of men sit silent while women go on.
@@legalmonkey Of course men are expected to have opinions, and of course women are expected to have opinions on the depictions of men! One must take into account the context: the panel in the video is one on /women/ in European art. This is something with a complicated history of extremely imbalanced dynamics- the first portion of the video itself elaborates upon how women have been viewed as objects. Thus, having a panel comprising of women, where the male host is mostly the observer and not participant, makes sense: it is a topic where women haven't historically been in position to comment on. Now, if the subject was /men/ in European art- while I'm positive women would have intelligent input, a panel of men wouldn't be inappropriate. It's just a matter of context- both situational and historical.
OMG! You woke, crypto-marxist monster! ;-)
@@legalmonkey it's called basic decency to not interrupt when someone talk. Most males lack this quality especially when it's a women talking. Have I made it clear?
No one’s going to mention how eloquent the five women in the discussion are? Just everyday eloquence in casual conversation
Was just about to...
I kind of love the camera cutting as he was explaining the parameters of the discussion to the young woman taking a deep sip of her glass of wine as if to say "Oh boy, here we go."
Not exactly casual conversation though. It's a prepared discussion for television about which they would have been pre-briefed (though obviously it's not scripted). They would've had the opportunity to prepare themselves with more "eloquence" than a typical everyday conversation, so to speak.
@@marcasdebarun6879I haven’t seen such eloquence for many years in current media. Not only are there less and less sources for such content but this eloquence can now only be found coming from professors and experts in a field, not young college students. These days, I keep seeing clips from college kids not being able to answer even the most basic common knowledge questions.
@@dim9753I understand what you're saying, although a lot of that can be cherrypicking too; the more dumbed down and outrageous a piece of content is, the more the algorithm will push it, you understand? It's less that people (whether they're college students or not) are stupider, but that the current climate of social media encourages more outrageous content. I myself finished with being a college student not even a year ago, and the majority of people I interacted with were just as astute and eloquent as the women in this video. Sadly the internet has given the 'village idiot'. so to speak, a voice on equal level with anyone else. It's so easy to find content that uncritically confirms your own worldview (especially if such a worldview is negative) nowadays. Comparing a clip from a prepared discussion on a TV show from the 70s with cherrypicked clips of random people on the street being unable to answer 'simple' questions is simply a false equivalence. I wouldn't put much stock in it.
This guy was so, so far ahead of his time. Here we are over 50 years later struggling to make our TV and movies as incisive and inclusive as this series. Bravo.
I can’t express how grateful I am to have seen this video. I recently discovered that I am a woman with a man inside me watching a woman. Only through his eyes am I able to see myself. I am my own voyeur, my own spectator. I always thought I was above that, that I was living independently from the male fantasy. I am not. The discussion in the second half of the film nearly brought me to tears. I’ve never felt more connected to a group of women in my life.
'I am a woman with a man inside me watching a woman' - in this, you've managed to elucidate a feeling I've had for at least ten years. Thank you for that. The only difference is that I'm male, and the person inside of me, watching me, is female.
Ha ha, that is hilarious.
@@michaelpoindexter8886 why
@@HexagonSun990 - Well, first of all, many women have a man inside of them - temporarily. Occasionally, I am a man inside a woman. Secondly, and more to the original point, this "discovery" of transitioning is a fad brought on by social media. I feel sorry for the poor people so brain washed by this stupid and unscientific idea that they permanently disfigure their bodies.
"Availability implies passivity." What insight!
Does anyone know which book is she talking about?
Back in the 1970s in art college, I studied John Berger's book of the same title. When you think of how early this was - 1972 - you see it was quite enlightened. This insight has largely been forgotten in current society, which hurls advertising images at people 24/7, and needs to be retaught, so I'm glad this is available on KZhead. The lack of pubic hair is another great point: It infantilizes women, imparting them with the ultimate passivity of a sexualized child for a perverse, insecure male gaze. Of course now we have much more information about women artists, whose depictions of women show strength, action, and character. But in reality, a man's worth is still what he accomplishes; a woman's is still what she looks like.
No mother, with healthy children, is in the end judged by her looks.
@@dancooper4733 so you imply that every womans endgoal should be to become a mother so she's accepted in mens society?
@@bbeam13 no women should have children because that's what they are designed to do. They do something amazing that men can't do which is nurture and create life. I don't know why people like you belittle this. It's not something that 'male society' imposes it's something god wants when he created women. In other words it's biological. The other guy is right to say that men are always judged by their acts, actions or deeds. This is just the fact of life.
@@dancooper4733 With respect, I don't think you know men very well.
I agree with you in the first part but I like how in the video he was specific about it being in western europe oil paintings because if you looked in other cultures it’s not necessarily the same. Maybe today it is because the world is all connected together but before it wasn’t like this. I am egyptian and from a yound age we learn about powerful women characters in history and even in our religion we learn that we are equal in front of God and that our sexuality needs to be preserved for our own good so women are seen for their true self while being covered because you focus on the mind not the looks. I will say it again it’s doesn’t necessarily apply now as we had lots of interactions with other cultures throughout the history so the current status will be affected but from our history I can tell you surely women have and will always have a high statement and appreciation for her mind and her strength and being a mother.
I love how he (very) briefly notes the non European pictorial traditions (I.e Hindu) as example of what is clearly a much healthier alternative to the solipsistic art of the West. I’ve always enjoyed the way Indian art portrays sexuality. The figures often display such a sense of communion and shared pleasure more closely related to the joy of the real act and minus the mannerisms and fetishes of the sexually inadequate European art-commissioning elites.
It's very ironic how these roles are reversed in our cultures now. Sexuality, thanks to colonialism, has become a very hush-hush topic in traditional Indian households. A shame really.
@@badboy333666999 I was going to reply with something similar lmao
@@badboy333666999 agreed
@@badboy333666999 so true
Yes! I love the woman's perspective at 17:23, with which I completely agree: being naked while others are dressed is humiliating, not "empowering", as is the modern line. It's a mark of subservience. You could apply this comment directly to strip clubs. Indeed, you could cut and paste Berger's entire commentary on the collection of female nude paintings in European art history, with a few substitutions, to mainstream pornography for men today.
Excellent
The show is excellent, the comment by scoobydisney is as well
@Gwen Lofman I don't quite get this idea of having agency over presenting yourself as empowerment when precisely the act displaying oneself or making oneself something that is to be seen as sight different from being forced. Even if one did 'choose' to do the act, it will be still seen the same way - objectified.
I know it sounds like BS, but my personal experience was actually the opposite! I worked as a freelance model for 10 years. I would take photographers out to the desert and pose nude...and when we got to the location and I removed my dress, most of the time it was like I had put on some kind of weird force field. My nakedness made many of the men nervous, clumsy and awkward...when to me, it was nothing at all because I did it for a living, multiple times a week. It was kind of funny to me because people were always worrying about my safety.. when 99% of the time I felt like I had the upper hand. Much of the photographers' nervousness was probably due to the fact that I was taking these guys out to the middle of nowhere, in my own vehicle, where there's no cell signal... so they couldn't call for help even if they wanted to. But some of their awkwardness definitely seemed directly connected to my no-nonsense, straightforward approach to being naked. I didn't shyly or coyly strip out of my clothing --I would just whip my dress off in one motion, and then just be standing there naked like, "OK, how do you want me to pose?" It almost made some of them flinch, like they couldn't even look at me. Sort of like a Medusa type of power 😆 I understand that in all of these situations, the man ultimately held the power because he was the one paying me to get naked. But most of the time I did not experience humiliation, even when I was naked in seminars or workshops when there were many clothed photographers around. I get what you're saying, and I do think there's a lot of truth there... I just thought I would share my own experience, which was oddly empowering at times. To this day I consider it a kind of superpower that I don't mind being naked in front of anyone, anywhere, anytime. No one can blackmail me or embarrass me!
Can you imagine seeing something like this on TV now?
I LOVE THIS MAN LIKE I HAVE NEVER LOVED A MAN
Keyser Söze
I have a secret for ya
I empathise
"To be nude is to be seen naked by others and yet not recognised for oneself. A nude has to be seen as an object in order to be a nude.” I worked as a freelance nude model for 10 years, and I only now find out about this guy....WOW 🤩
It's really interesting. And powerful. I love the opening lines, "Men dream of women and women dream of themselves being dreamed of". I think this is true. But then, I'm a man. So what do I know? When you were a nude model how did it make you feel and what role did you think you were playing? I'm not a weirdo, I'm genuinely interested in your agency, and your view on it.
@@mrb7094 I loved those opening lines too! So true. My ego enjoyed being leered at... But the reality --the nuts-and-bolts of the job -- it wasn't really fun. It was a grind, and I was hyper-concerned with my physicality and how I lookedI... I think any kind of looks-based work is psychically taxing. You can only portray a fantasy for so long...then you get hungry or crabby or old or tired or all of the above, you have to move on. But, I found it a valuable experience because it helped me shed a lot of fears... Even as it nurtured other fears😆
@@Wonderhussy Thanks for coming back. Really insightful. Any job that requires you to be young(er) and fit has to end eventually of course. And my Mum used to say, avoid getting a career with a job you can mime 😆. With AI coming along they'll be the only jobs left in the end, mind you. Interesting about fears. I think that's biggest difference between men and women in the work place. Men somehow can fake confidence or have it bestowed upon them. For women that's much harder. Perhaps the only industry where that is reversed is sex work! I'm using that as a very broad term by the way. Take care.
I felt an "ah-ha" moment when the girl was sharing her thoughts women and availability. how the underlying motive is availability for others (men) to validate our image(self) and how that breeds passivity.
Did... Did I just get an warning about "inappropriate content" for a educational program about looking at art and an examination of the depiction of women in Western culture? Are the KZhead mods insane? That's the kind of censorship that gives people complexes.
I’m glad that my views on female nudity in art are shared. I’ve always hated that women were always depicted as nude in art. It’s objectifying no matter what people claim.
@@beefar0ni dude why r u commenting so much hatred everywhere it's not cool
There's a bunch of nude art that aren't objectifying. On the contrary they can be VERY subjective. Just take a look at Lady Dahmers paintings.
I remember in 3rd grade when I first started to wear training bras that I had frequent nightmares about taking off my clothes during class. I wasn’t doing it willingly I was just... doing it. Everyone looked at me. This was the time when I first started sexualizing myself through the male gaze, or seeing myself as a “nude”. I’ve never felt this understood in a while. I wish we could talk about subjects like these more openly. I think it would really help both women and men understand misogyny better if they saw this video.
I'm so sorry about that, that must've been a truly traumatizing experience.
This goes HARD damn
I am so glad I watched this. Thank you so much. I believe every girl and women should see this, and it can change dramatically the way she lives her life.
and so should every man and gender :) i think we all have so much to learn from here. Made me empathasize a lot more with women i believe
Such an incredibly influential programme - absolutely central to feminist thinking in the UK through the 70s. I'm a guy but was raised as a feminist and I've very grateful for that. Every generation has to re-fight these arguments and they are as important now as they were then.
Incredibly beautiful soundscape at the beginning of the episode. As if it were Eno, before Eno was Eno. Ambient drone with legendary, epic overtones. So forward thinking. The BBC was truly an avant garde broadcaster in those days. How lucky the world was to have this perspective.
Delia Derbyshire did the soundtrack... Look her up! She was a total badass
This is incredible
How graceful these women in the discussion are! Such a beautiful voice, erudition, amazing style, open minded and intelligent women ❤
lovely to hear articulate people speaking with intelligence and individuality. Whatever happened to education since?
+Mairead Ryan Probably has something to do with the words "slashed government funding." Because that's all that seems to happen these days.
In most schools art education itself is now extinct. Both visual art and music. Government demanded that children be made to study 'useful' subjects. Those which more readily lead to employment and moneymaking.
Mairead Ryan corporate fascism happened
Postcard John "college of business"
NWO
Thank God, we have KZhead, and we can find a gem like this, if we really want to.
why did I look at the comments. why did I look at the comments.
I'm with you on this one don't look at the comments
haha! my thoughts exactly
You were on crack
Thanks for the warning! I'll stop looking now!
Because this shit is boring as fuck, that's why you looked... 😉
The fastest 28 minutes of my life, I can't believe how engrossed I was.
This is why I've always loved looking at Egon Schiele's depiction of women (and sometimes of men) because I find he is the only artist (maybe not) who can paint women in the most honest and vulnerable way. I feel represented when I look at his paintings and it's the most fulfilling thing when someone can look at your nakedness entirely and not see you merely as an object to be looked at.
I totally agree but also then find him even more fascinating when you then think of the ridiculous and uncomfortable positions he forced his models to pose in in order to paint them this way
I love how much this episode is a product of its time. Feminism on the rise, the Dagenham strikes national news and a matter of a few years before Laura Mulvey publishes her 'Male Gaze' theory. Imagine if Berger had attempted such an analysis back in the 1950s with a panel of women. Would have been a very different show. Though he still would have been smoking a cigarette in it haha!
So, so, so sad that this is the only one of these posted that doesn't include subtitles. I'm teaching a course to a number of people who speak English as a second language (thus the sub-titles are deeply useful) and this is the episode that is most germane to their work. ...nonetheless, thank you immensely for posting them.
Search for subtitles on google, download the video and then convert it adding the subtitles
just turn them on in the settings at the bottom right. ?
Annie amlvventures Thank you!
Sylvie Zhuang The 'subtitles' are totally inaccurate
totally inaccurate overstates it, but I was curious what the book was that one of the woman mentioned, and the google subtitles came up with "He's to our dog" which left me none the wiser
Marvelous paintings shown. The art of seeing and how to distinguish nude from naked led to an interesting conversation. They do know as experts what art really means.
The entire series is so eye-opening. I recall watching it in 1972 - and we have lost something as a species since then. As a male, I feel that while some men are driven by the human traits described here, some of us are, as unfortunate as it is, also merely victims of the riddle - to use a certain female singer's reference. Just as women are brought up to feel a sense of inadequacy via pure objectification - so too are men taught, via peer pressure and state interference, that said state of affairs is perfectly normal and the correct way to behave. We are ALL victims.
I want to subscribe but theres no subscribe button on your KZhead channel meow.
@@klakkinkittykat probably done to the powers that be tossers
I worked as an art model in 2020 and I had to wear a mask while nude and posed. It was the best job I've ever had.
22:29 '..she waits only for the present interaction with a man. And that can go; that can just end at any moment.' - aaand he turns away without a word.
Oh my..
He's keeping his input to a minimum.
Everything that woman said was spot on and is true to this day. Nothing has changed; men build a value store and women sit and wait for a man to interact with her.
Thank you very much, very relevant, once again!
That old lady speaks so posh and elegantly
I came here because my favorite film critic (A mexican woman) talked about the doc while doing a review for portrait of a lady on fire which I consider it's a nice summary of this episode applied to a movie
Who is the film critic?
@@0ggy._.647 Fernanda Solorzano. This is the review about the movie: kzhead.info/sun/fbSHZbakm3dtZI0/bejne.html
@@0ggy._.647 They might be referring to Broey Deschanel
That was a very enlightening episode and I found the discussion at the end to be brilliant and insightful
That was, truely, wonderful.
spectacular
Interesting to see these perspectives.
Genial! Gracias.
I love the feminist perspective! This was far ahead of it's time :D
+Lisa Janine Really, it's very much of its time. Feminism was fresh and thriving and it had literate advocates in Britain like Germaine Greer, who also wrote on the subject of art. Unfortunately, feminism became bogged down in dogma. There became less and less opportunity for an open minded attitude. Feminism became synonymous with political correctness, which crippled the movement to some degree.
+2manysecrets Yes, equal rights for women - so extreme and so wrong.
Maybe you should consult a dictionary.
Definitely not far ahead of its time (70's). It's just that we're regressing. Older feminists works is something I recommend. Most of it is still relevant today.
Well when he starts, the statement is how women is precevied - which is true. But add on to this - how are men being preceived by women, and how adverts make us precevi men - and vice versa.
I am so glad I watched it, even though it was truly difficult for me as a male. THank you for the upload.
This is brilliant, period.
This is a fantastic series; Part I made me think about how AI will change our perceptions of and responses to the world, as the camera did-or does.
What a gem!
Holy shit the woman at the end hit that spot on
U DONT GET QUALITY PROGRAMS LIKE THIS ANYMORE. THIS IS AS HE SAYS A EUROCENTRIC VIEW OF THE WORLD. DIFFERENT CULTURES SEE DIFFERENTLY ...........
Thanks!!!
still brilliant
This is EVERYTHING.
It is not.
10000000% relatable
Damn, those women got real!
Great!
where can i find TV like this today? not in the US.
Nowhere on TV I'm afraid. Luckily, we've got KZhead!
Sean Dawkins Definitely not the US. Fucking North Korea lite
Look up Adam Curtis on youtube and watch the documentaries he has been making. They are thought provoking and engaging. Especially check out Hypernormalisation, The Trap, The Power of Nightmares, and The Century of Self.
'The Age of the Image' was a similarly interesting documentary which came out this year.
does anyone know the name of the song that plays during the title sequence and credits?
21:29 doob. Just that shot after what she was saying... the best anthropoid pose.
cool!
@15:55 this women would be suprised how real this pantings are today
where the hell did my closed captions go
how can i make the subtitles for this video? thanks
Can anyone understand the name of the book the women with the glasses is saying at 19:06??
Why is this part the only part that youtube mentions "this video may be inappropriate for some users."?! Interesting.
Interesting discussion but I still love all the paintings depicted no matter the intent of the artist. Art allows us to look at ourselves with all our beauty and all our flaws. It’s a stunning visual history of the way we see ourselves wether through beauty of the way we are depicted or the ugliness behind the intent. The discussion does assume that the artist and the viewer are voyeurs but when I take in these works I become the painting …it’s as if I am in that world and I am the subject looking out at the viewer through a chasm of centuries. When Insee an image of Christ on a cross …I don’t see Christ …I am that man nailed to a cross. Art can be amazing and horrific and frightening and full of joy; it can be tainted with all the ingredients of a perfume both floral and fragrant and foul and grotesque. As much as people want to make all this art a devicive tool in a argument about gender ….the truth is all art is a testament to our species in the way we see ourselves. Judge the artist all you want but simply the act of making something so stunning is to lay bare your soul …to stand naked before your audience and let that jeering crowd judge you. Perhaps the artist was merely painting a nudge from personal experience. A self portrait of a way to express how easily it can be to create in front of judgement.
what is to me profound about the creation story (I am as pretty atheist as the come); is how it plays out analogy with language and existentialism. We today know that language and trees are closely related, linguists, computer scientists, mathematicians and geneticists are all basically worshiping different tree structures in order to detail language, purely so that it can be enjoyed in the human mouth, like sweet fruit. We are also clearly aware that with structured language a mysterious "back-structuring" happens too - we might carefully construct language so its unambiguous, but it can also very easily structure us (verbal abuse for instance can literally restructure your genes). So it is obvious what the tree represents here in this story - language and the fruits it can bare. Now what would you upon finding out you are also a tree, you are inside a tree and there are tree's forming inside of you. Suddenly you feel your place in the universe, just a fruit on another tree? You revolt!
Can anyone recommend more BBC episodes like this relating to art history?
the ascent of man
Philomena Cunk
What is the name of the book she gives 19:07?
Anyone know what the book is referenced around 19:00 by the lady with the fringe and glasses?
story of O!
21:31 My man, rolling a blunt for later.
any english subtitles for this episode? thanks
click CC on the bottom of the video, youtube's subtitles come up - with all the usual amusing inaccuracies
At 19:07, a book is referred to. Does anyone know it?
Story of O
I find it interesting that KZhead places a warning on the content of this episode. Is it because it features paintings of women in the nude? Or is it because the message being conveyed so centrally challenges the dominant discourse of 'women in the world'? Watching this 50 years after it was made and its relevance abides.
Hey guys, does anyone know the name of the Art/Artist of the Nude Painting of the woman holding a mirror in her hand - "Vanity??"
geez, i'd love to know what the music at the start of this is
Delia Derbyshire
is it?
After watching the entire series I'm not certain, but she is named in the credits.
As Mr. Berger cautioned us in the first part, it's on us to take what he portrays here with some skepticism. I would likewise encourage people to compare the descriptions and opinions given in this with, for example, the social mores displayed in our present situation, whether it be the (callous?) nature of online dating, or the scandalous portrayal through something like OnlyFans. Human nature does not change, even if the depictions of it do.
It's Histoire d'O (translated as The Story of O)
Oh, thank you so much! I've been looking for the title.
It could be argued that the surge of classical mythological motifs in European art allowed men to objectify and sexualize women more freely in ways they couldn't before due to the previous predominance of religious morality on society and culture, though i might be wrong.
Here after a philosophise this episode
Why is this censored by KZhead?
27:30 what is the name of this painting?
can anyone please tell the name of the book being talked about @ 19:06
Histoire d'O (the story of O)
R.I.P
8:55 I 100% agree
24:30 I didn't realize there was more than one place on Earth where -other than the united states having a 'southern drawl'- existed. I knew someone from Atlanta that would take 20 minutes in telling me he had broken a dish that afternoon!
Can anyone make out what book title she mentions at 19:06??
Histoire d'O | Story of O
Imagine if he saw the era of social media or mass porn all over the internet. I've always wished i was alive to experience life without the internet or be a teenager without feeling the pressure of insatgram. I think it's sad that being naked is humiliating because it's the most natural state you can be in, but even if you you managed to get over your own embarassment the police would literally put you in jail just for not wearing clothes
Because it’s an immoral act.
I'm so tired of hearing women say how great it is for young girls today. Social media is a sewer.
He did. He only died in 2017.
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Can someone clarify the naked vs. nude perspective in this video? Thanks
to be naked is to be oneself. To be nude is to be seen without clothes by others and yet not recognized for oneself but only as a naked body. The body comes before the person. A naked body seen as an object becomes a nude. Looking at a body without clothes on as an object strips the person of personality reduces the person to only an object of a naked body to be viewed and consumed. Who the person is means nothing it is the nude body that is being viewed. Nakedness reveals itself. To be naked is to be without a disguise of clothing. Nudity is to be placed on display. In a nude painting, everything is composed so the body is on display for the viewer. (or something like that.) :)
Everyone complicates it: naked is without clothes; nude is when it's called art.
Anyone knows another documentary like this one? : ) ?
SUPERlate to the party, but Hannah Gadsby's "Nakedy Nudes". Only a few episodes unfortunately but it's really great.
@@0h0h0h0 i found it useful, thanks
R.I.P. Anya Bostock
Where can you find a transcript of this
it's a book - ways of seeing. not sure if it would be a direct transcript though.
Under video, click on the 3 dots (...) Then, select "Open Transcript"
Read "The Hermeneutics of Suspicion" by Paul Ricoeur.
I wonder what John Berger would think of nudes today. I love how women express themselves around the matter so genuinely.
not John Berger but you might be interested in Paul B. Preciado and what he calls the "pharma-pornographic-complex". His philosophy is very focused on how the advent of laptops and smart phones make it possible to create your own pornography at home and how people are trained to objectify themselves.
lol @ the spelling of Ingres in the closed captioning (Aang)
what does she really mean when she said there is something worth of in themselves (in men), which the woman don't have?
I think she was saying that since men go out and do things in the world, they create their self-image is based on the things that they do. So they shape their own identity and self worth through their actions. Whereas women, who traditionally don't work or interact with the world like men do, rely on other people to give them their worth and identity. Women are passive and domestic, so they are less able to form their own self worth. Something like that? i'm replying a year late oops :")
I see that 70s was the time when humankind reached the peak of enlightenment and after then, it's been a downhill ride.
lsd needs to make a comeback.
John Berger, at least in this episode, is a model of listening to and platforming the perspectives of those whose everyday lives are affected by the commodification of the female body. Cis guys would do well to learn from this. Ever since I was about 4 I've been assessing myself through aesthetic ideals absorbed from art and media, and I often wonder just how many men are constantly thinking about how they are being seen and judged. Pretty much everyone assigned female at birth has lived with this hyper-awareness of how you are perceived and what it means for your future, and often your safety. On a lighter note, I wish I could time travel to just sit in a pub and chat with the woman with the glasses and the one with curly hair - they were so wise and insightful!
"it's by lawrence etty"
I would have preferred it if the women had only been shown the paintings and given their thoughts, not followed Berger's commentary.
YO YO YO DÉDI DÉDICACE À TOUS LES GENS DE L'ENSAAMA ON EST LA !!!!!
99% of comments: big words?? must be propaganda! :/