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PRR: How many wheels does this new diesel have? Baldwin: Yes
6:15
Accurate
The Centipedes had so many wheels because they were designed to run on worn out tracks the GG1s could ride smoothly on(other diesels like E and F units rode roughly in worn out rails). The F units were especially a little bouncy on rough track. And a lot of mainlines were worn out by wartime traffic. The high number of axles helped spread out the centipedes’ weight and make the less bouncy, so the centipede wheel arrangement had a good idea behind it. The E-units were already found to be less bouncy than E-units. Baldwin also equipped the centipedes(as well as other diesels it made) with air throttles which made them incompatible with other builders’ diesels. They also built other diesels in the same manner they did as that of the centipedes
It sure isn't a curse listening to you. The way you put things in a way is so sophisticated it makes you laugh that's exactly what it does with me thank you for everything you do and keep on steaming on
The logo you use is British Railways, which was from 1948 - around the 1960s. The British railways operator was fine with some of the most useful steam locos ever. BR on the other hand, British rail from the 60s - 1997 is the one you're ranting about in every video.
13:21 1001 is actually in private ownership being stored at Danbury, though it is still being restored. What makes it interesting is that once it was de-powered, it was turned into an inspection car and was used by MTA brass to tour the line
i dont think this video is that long my dude.
@@Mecha_Machinehog1 typo on my part, thanks
Also, since you're using the "Cycling Lion" as the BR logo in the worst of videos, maybe you should use the "Ferret and the Dartboard" logo or the "Arrows of Indecision" in the best of...make you feel a little better.
I actually like the lion heraldry
@@pacificcoastpiper3949 If you like neutered lions...
I've never seen the "Ferret and the Dartboard" logo
There can't be an episode of this without British rail, it's in the unwritten very unspecific rules.
Budd has the Metroliner car tooling to build Amfleet, SPVs and Amfleet ll.
Hey, an Australian engine! I don’t care if it’s a bad one, I appreciate the recognition, so thanks dude!
Considering the platypus, I'm not surprised at anything from Australia.
At this point, Im not suprised that the first ever electric "second worst in the video" locomotive in this series is from British Rail xD
YES! FINALLY SOME REPRESENTATION OF AUSTRALIA! May I add another suggestion for the next episode of “why must British rail hurt me” aka 5 more of the worst trains, may I suggest the CBH Class (yes that’s what they’re called) also working in Western Australia, they’re notorious for breaking down, with engine failures, axle drivers not working etc. and as far as I’m aware as we speak all of them have been hauled to Perth and from there idk
I have no problem multiple engines from my neck of the woods on this list… if the engines weren’t good, they weren’t good, so it’s nice to see them being recognised as such. I know we have good ones too, and hopefully we’ll see some later, but in the meantime, it’s nice seeing representation!
The class 17 diesel made by BR is an amazing failure and I would like to see it as the next BR locomotive on this series
He mentioned it in '5 MORE of the WORST TRAINS EVER (AGAIN!)'.
I’ll admit the centipedes weren’t that good, but they were in class by themselves when it came to shoving on the backs of freights
To complete the North British saga, do the Class 41 Warship locomotive
Between the Australian ASG and the NZR "G" class, Garratts didn't seem to do well at all in Australasia... I suppose at least the ASG didn't try tearing itself apart when running! 🙂
The only garrets that were successful in Australia were the NSWGR 6000’s as far as I’m aware
ASG was really good here in Tasmania after modifications the AD60 was really good in NSW!
@@tjmfarming9584Queensland's later Beyer Garratts were somewhat more successful than the ASG.
We had one of those budd cars running between my town and another town about 3 hours away . Long before my time . No wonder they canceled the service .
The class X was terrible. Irish rail just replaced the crossly engine after 15 years. But they stuck it out in Australia
Love the series my fav
7:50 "they get your attention, but looking interesting doesn't mean they are interesting" literally the bmw i8
4:48 And it comes with mechanical stoker too! I like it.
I cracked up with the Bud Light gag 😂😂😂
My suggestions for the next handful of parts would be... GE C39-8, Schwerer Gustav (not sure if you are counting artillery on rail, but this thing was essentially a prototype for the P.1500. However, this thing was ultimately too impractical.), Pittsburgh Slotted Crosshead, Grew's Ice Locomotive, Thulie locomotive, British Rail Class 31/4, British Railways 10100 The Fell Diesel Locomotive, NSB Di 6, DR 119, DB Class 210 pre-rebuild, Victorian Railways W Class, TasRail DQ Class, Dean 4-2-4T No. 9, FM Trainmaster, Baldwin DR-6, NSW D58, and NSWGR 41 Class.
Arent a few of these good? I mean the FM trainmaster wasnt very succesfull engine wise but everything else its pretty good.
@@Arturobrito0502 I agree with you. The DB 210's were also good, yes, the gas turbine made the poor thing expensive, but it was otherwise reliable (and occasionally stupidly quick for the time!) and was very well liked by it's drivers. And in its rebuilt form, whilst undeniably good, they were not quite as good as the original engines.
@@robertwilloughby8050 couldnt agree anymore
Imagine a Centipede with Fairbanks-Morse prime movers A new definition of maintenance nightmare!
Regarding using steam locomotive nomenclature with diesel-electrics:Many of EMD's builder's plates utilized Whyte notation (e.g. a GP9 would have 0-4-4-0 on its plate).
I actually got to see the two SPV-2000's sent into preservation in Hudson yard outside Newark, NJ, as they awaited inspections to be transported to CT. I am so saddened by their failure, and so wish a worthy successor could materialize to assist in expansion of rail services at lower costs.
Hey! I live in the same town as the CT Eastern Rail Museum! It's not the biggest, or best-funded museum out there, but they do a great job with what they have.
I have to say every time British Rail comes up it’s funny!
What was quite interesting to do with the BR AL 1-5 (Cl 81-85) was that the inclusive fleet were all test beds to find the best way of delivering electric traction in the UK. BR took the best parts of the design and created the AL6 (Cl 86) which was then the standard electric traction design until the 87 came along.
I remember the SVP - 2000 being test on the MBTA commuter rails out of South Station only it was never tested on the north side of the MBTA commuter rail lines ( North Station X - B & M lines )
I think now after 12 episodes it's now tradition to have at least 1 British rail locomotive in these lists now haha
Im not the only one who thinks that if the Centipede had all those axles powered it would have been amazing. Imagine the power of a Big Boy and the efficiency of an SD40. The thing would have been a beast.
Tasmania had two types of Garratts the Beyer and ASG , The ASG being brought second hand (5 of) and were modified. All wheels had flanges but a changed wheel alignment , Position of the regulator and sanding gears changed, altered the injectors and strengthened the frames.Most importantly the firebox entrance was changed. EBR did these modifications and even though not great in power to the Beyer Garratts, steamed like champions and crews preferred them. If only Queensland and Western Australia had done those modifications they would have worked very well!
You should always expect British rail!
Nobody expects British Rail.... (On time anyway)
You cannot escape BR
How much you want to bet the British Rails is back to haunt him?
These were truly horrifying!
6:37 Baldwin was dragged by GM into a 'kill zone' when it comes to Dieselization.
The NdeM Centipedes were rebuilt by Baldwin, and got bumped-up to 3,200 H.P. and lasted until 1971. The NdeM and SAL locos were exceptional in service for the Lightly-built Mainlines they each operated.
Maybe after you get to episode 20, you should make a compilation of all the episodes!
I’m recommending you to check out steam engines with Franco-Crosti Boilers.
I think that the centipede's wheel arrangement in whyte notation might be 4-8-0+0-8-4, as the locomotive has two wheelsets connected by a single body, but I could be wrong, and it's just nitpicking anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
Please discuss the CIÉ CC1. I really wanna see an Irish locomotive on this list soon.
The remaining SPV-2000’s are in Connecticut because most where used by Conndot for Hartford line and Danbury branch service, and then Shore Line East as coaches. Also, none are in service as of 2022.
I personally think that the centipede would've been great for being used in the rocky/great smokey mountain regions they would've been excellent on long curves
I actually love the Baldwin Centipedes. Mainly aesthetic.
Yerrrrrr!! Amazing content
60! Amazing! Just curious, how many from British Railways?
Since you've done the worst of the first generation electric locos, you really need to do the Class 86 or 87 in one of the best lists. They were actually examples of where BR got it right. The Class 81-85 were built as pilots for future electric loco designs, and the 86s were that design, learning the lessons from the earlier classes and producing a very good and reliable loco that was still in regular service hauling intermodal trains until very recently, and I think some are still used that were exported to eastern europe. The 87 then took the design further and went for something even more powerful (5000hp) to enable them to haul heavy, fast passenger trains over the steep northern part of the West Coast Mainline at up to 110mph. They actually largely were outlived by the 86s, but not because they were a bad design, but being pure passenger racehorses they didn't really have a use once replaced by tilting Pendolinos (they could have been modified for freight use, but the 86s were good enough for that work that the cost of modifying the 87s to replace them wasn't worth it, plus the 86s were used in pairs which gave them a significant advantage over a single 87, and two 87s would have been overkill).
Not sure about the 86s. As built they had a major design flaw unlike the previous 81-85 classes which was axle hung traction motors and hence a huge unsprung mass which hammered the hell out of the track on the WCML. Only the modifications of SAB resilient wheel sets and flexicoil suspension fixed this issue. After that, they were good.
My 1950s Lionel 4-6-4 has non flanged drivers like that.
I cannot wait for these videos to drop for two reasons. 1 they are incredibly interesting and entertaining and. 2 the see what else from British rail can be found. We give the world railways, football, tennis and much more then spend all our time getting worse at the thing we created. Makes you proud to be British.
In the wise words of Jay Foreman: We were there first, now we’re the worst
Yes my favorite show! Oh god why British rail!
Don’t forget about the SD50 😂
Can you do top five weirdest looking trains
I used to work at that Museum
Fun fact: The X class were built by the same people as the Class 28
Doesn't mater how deformed of broken a train is I still like them all the same
Insert pacer train joke here
I’m the same way
Could you cover the K&PR
IIRC, the Budd cars were involved in a head-on collision in the 80's.
Speaking of Budd, they built something called the Pioneer Zephyr.
And the 82s and 83s. They spent so much time out of service before the rectifiers were replaced but their traction motors were fucked because of lack of use.
Some SPV-2000 cars were built and sold to Morocco, for use as a Royal Train, so they at least aren't all that bad.
But, the Amfleet cars were based on the Metroliner EMUs. Though, the Metrolners had their issues as well.
I wonder if I’ll ever see a day where British Railway won’t make the cut for these top fives. However I kind of like the running Gagan had British Railway just sucks at making diesels during the 60s.
The main objection to the ASG in Queensland was that it was so much more powerful than anything else operating under Queensland's "microscopic engine" policy, based on looking across the Tasman Sea and scaling down whatever NZR was using. The loco crews took exception to one loco and crew doing the work previously done by two.
Sounds like you wrote that from 5% actual knowledge and 95% personal prejudice.
I am happy at you for poting a steam locomotive from my country with is ash
I mean Australia
The only thing the budds can properly do is roll. Preferably behind an actually functional locomotive.
Do include Indian locos especially WAG6
There are 5 trains in each list and 12 lists = 60 bad trains!
If im not mistaken some of the baldwin centipedes got bought by NDEM mexican national railways, not that they were diferent just that its surprising so.e of these went to mexico, kinda like the alco PA but they werent succesfull.
What about the HR616 or the SDP40F
I hope you do a swedish locomotive eihter good or bad
Which British locomotive will it be this time.
Funny, I always thought the Class 83's were worse. And hands off the Class 82's - they were actually good (apart from having a habit of picking up bodywork dings and scratches!)
The 83's were better after the rebuilds and were only withdrawn early due to some accidents that I don't THINK were the locomotive's fault. The 82's were pretty good. I won't say a bad word about them.
Like Baldwin, North British made very good steam locomotives, but failed with diesel and electric. Pity.
Oh no I see British rail
Was betting on whether that was the Class 83 or Class 84...hope you are fair and mention that the more numerous Class 81s and 85s were great successes.
Which one was made by NBL? Probably that one.
Then became the class 86 that was a omega sucess.
Mercury arc rectifiers were normally reliable like the ones in Laxey substation which lasted in to the 2010s, they only caused problems on the early AC electric locos because they were in a moving vehicle which meant the pool of mercury could easily splash from side to side and potentially short out the anodes and damage the transformer. There would never have been issues with the rectifiers if BR had opted for DC for overheads since they would have been housed in stationery trackside buildings to supply DC at a lower voltage, that way you also don't need to carry round a bulky oil filled transformer everywhere you go. DC was also easier to control with older technology just using resistor banks, and also allows for the ability to use the rheostatic/dynamic brake to send power back in to the overhead wires to power another train which may be accelerating nearby instead of dumping it in to a load of resistors and wasting it (something the Woodhead locos were capable of). 1500VDC would have been enough for OHLE since it was used on the Woodhead route, and is currently used in the Netherlands and Japan.
Energising at high voltage AC allows much greater distances between feeder stations than low voltage DC. When Brisbane's suburban network was electrified at 25kV AC, the initial scoped area required just two feeder stations at Mayne and Corinda, whereas thirteen feeder stations would have been required for 1500V DC electrification.
4:05 Why much of British Empire favors Garrats as favorite articulated engines over Mallets? (except in Canada where American railroads influenced them especially with many of their engines are made in the US of A.) And this decision affects the choices Royal State Railways of Siam to purchase six Garratts from Hanomag after one of its delegates saw British Garrats operated in India and Burma for Northeastern Line (Saraburi-Nakhornratchasima RR Districts, an incline area). Had the RSR visit Dutch East Indes Colony and witnessed Mallets at work. Mallets (Preferred Continental European articulated steamers) might be chosen instead.
Madison indiana locomotive would probably appeal to you
To be honest its expected that the Class 84 or at least one of the other early BR electric locos would end up being terrible. The general idea for the classes 81-85 was really a pilot scheme of sorts to test out which manufacturer produced the best electric locomotives and take each of the best aspects of them for further improvements to a new class aka. Class 86 and 87.
Yeah, he should mention the 86 and 87 as high successful BR designs. Maybe also Class 66, 67, 88, 90, and 91.
Agreed, but I feel this guy just has a massive hate boner for BR despite anything good they come up with. Sure, some of the diesels were poor and the modernisation plan was a bit of a sham, but the fault primarily lies with those in management and the government. In fact the WCML Electrification was probably the most successful thing BR ever accomplished aside from the Standard classes.
@@ordinaldragoon youre correct about the class 81-84 being a pilot scheme to test different equipment, though the 85 wasnt part of the pilot scheme, they were the result of it. they were then later refined into what became the class 86, the mainstay of BRs WCML traction along with the later and heavily uprated 87. they did exactly the same thing with the diesels too, hence why theres a lot of rubbish BR diesel classes, that this guy doenst quite understand though is that all the rubbish classes were all tiny in numbers, and the vast majority of BRs diesel fleet going into the 1970s consisted of class 20s, 31s, 37s and 47s which were all fantastic locomotives and all survived in service well beyond their 50th anniversaries with examples of all but the class 31 still in service today
@@Trainman10715 Huh, I thought the 85 was part of the scheme. Though I wish this guy would do a bit more background research before ranting on about how bad the classes were. Though I'm sure there were some classes which were built as large numbers without being tested.
@@ordinaldragoon the 85s were part of the scheme technically but they became the result of it, they proved by far the best of the 5 almost instantly and recieved some modifications using the best aspects of the 81-84. the 85s then became the first of the standard electric locomotives as opposed to experimental which is what the 81 to 84 essentially were and they were then refined to create the 86 which became the new standard electric locomotive for the rest of BRs existence. i too wish he would do more research, yes the 84s were the poorest examples of british electric locomotives but they were experiments at the end of the day and therefore were never guaranteed to be good, and some of the other british trains hes ranted about like the APT and class 50 were not bad in the slightest if you research them properly, yes the 50s were notoriously unreliable in their early days but that was down to the design of their filtration equipment which, while widely proven in europe, it turned out that the design didnt fair too well in the much more humid british climate. once their filtration equipment was refined they became perfectly dependable and very powerful machines.
I’ll make a e51 locomotive for ndem
Electric steam locomotives and Virginian Railroad's AE Class for next worst locomotives episode
Has there ever been one of these videos where BR isn't featured? Could there even theoritically be one?
The Budd RDC came to Australia to work for SRA in NSW Australia and they all failed and were loco hauled ..... Not that successful down under.
Hello there can you show some French trains in your top 5 worst trains. Im curious to find out which ones were bad. I won’t mind if you don’t choose to some
Oh and you could talk about « L’aigle » it’s a French steam engine with huge wheels and it had multiple flaws
And I just realised that the French designed a lot of. Bad steam engines like « ceinture » it’s a 6-2+2-6, «Fontaine »… there is a lot of those
Well if you want a very unreliable irish locomotive The cie A class B And C class build in the 1950s by Metropolitan Vicars built with the Crossley enginges basically shook themselves apart blew hoses popped pistons ruptured radiators and oil sumps and cie eventually went to GM for advice and was adviced with the EMD 645E engines which cie implemented and they were in service for over 50 years finally been withdrawn in the early part of the 1990s as cie had bought in GM locos the 071 class cocos which also have the same 645E engine when the 121 class and A class diesels were withdrawn and scrapped they removed the 645E engines to maintain the 071 class engines with spares
Worst steam would be nsw 34 class 5 built as test locos
Do Croatian or Yugoslavian trains please
this makes 60 trains that ABSOLUTLY SUCKED! 60 TRAINS!
There are way more decent to truly magnificent designs to have ever existed. Though no doubt there are some designs that Darkness will consider too mediocre to really ever mention.
His BR torture never ends
the 84 85 81 82 83 inspired the class 91
That's 60 locomotives lol roll on history in the dark roll on
Can you make a list of the worst trains but just put every single locomotive Edwards Thomson designed except for the L1 cause you already talked about them
That's unfair to Thompson; the B1's were magnificent machines; and while his rebuilds certainly had flaws, you have to consider them in the context of the permanently perilous state of the LNER's finances, and wartime restrictions on new-builds- indeed, Peppercorn's outstanding A1's and A2's were at most, lightly modified versions of Thompson's A2/3's.
@@TallboyDave If there is one Thompson rebuild that can't be excused all that much, it would be the A2/2. While the P2 were a tad bit rigid and thus had room for modifications, the modifications that led to the A2/2 were so very flawed.
@barnabyjoy Well, to be fair, as I said, the LNER was the poorest of the Big Four and never turned a proper profit during it's existence- primarily because it's bread and butter was the collieries and mines of the North-East; which were both sent into a death spiral by the one-two punch of the 1926 General Strike and the Great Depression; but also because it had to service the capital debts that the Great Central Railway had accrued while constructing their Main Line Extension to Marylebone. Not to mention the huge assortment of pre-Grouping designs that it had on the books.
@@tidepoolclipper8657 On the other hand, the P2's were well-knackered, with the boilers overdue for replacing and their tendency to snap their crank axles at low speed.
@@TallboyDave I know the Thomson B1 are the best of Edward Thomson's designs I talking about the A1,A2,B2,O1,Q1
For the all the BR hate, which is largely justified, quite a bit of the hate could be directed at North British. I mean they were a great steam loco producer, but they produced some of the worst, diesels and electrics, including both the Australian X Class and the BR Class 84s from this video, plus the Class 43 Warships, Class 21s and 22s which were all bad. They did produce the "Blue Pullmans" too. They tend to be fondly remembered for their luxury and uniqueness though, not for their reliability which was up to usual NBL standards. Overall they just built things cheap and nasty.
NS class 1100 was horrible, food for a next video.
i feel like BR just tested a lot of things and created bad diesel and electric engines and they didn't really improve that much of their diesels
Silicone or silicon?
Next can u include the C&O M-1? Like its a cool engine and all but at the end of the day its plain ugly, and it SUCKED
So what sin has BR done to darkness now... Ah class 84, Those wern't really meant to be around for long when the 86 and 87's came because they pretty much failed their trials. Atleast the 86 was better than it....
I wonder
Can you add the worst steam locomotiv in Indonesian please