CV90 vs T-72 | Swedish 40mm APFSDS vs Main Battle Tank | Armour Penetration Simulation
The Swedish CV9040 infantry fighting vehicle features the 40mm Bofors L/70 automatic cannon, capable of firing APFSDS projectiles. The simulation presents one of these projectiles impacting the side armour of a T-72 (without ERA), at 65° -as if the T-72 was angled at 25° from head-on, at ~200m.
The T-72's side armour has been modelled with a hardness of 300BHN and it should be noted that many modernised variants have heavy ERA on ths side, which is effective against APFSDS projectiles. However, as the CV90 fires 5 rounds per second, there's a good chance that at close range, a previous shot could trigger the ERA, clearing the path for a subsequent one.
The Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding-Sabot projectile's design has been approximated based on information and images available online, with it being modelled as a 10x203mm Tungsten Alloy (WHA) penetrator with a muzzle velocity of 1500m/s. Dimensions were approximated from this image: www.reddit.com/media?url=http...
Amazing Thumbnail Artwork from: Sky_Fox free3d.com/3d-model/t-72-ural...
Apologies for the delayed upload and reduced replies lately, things outside of KZhead have been too busy but I'll still try to get a video out at least once every couple of weeks. Thank you all for your ongoing support and input!
Nah dw about it. A lot of us are busy with school and other day to day life, and your videos are always a nice thing to see to break up the monotony, no matter the wait
I don't know if its possible, but it might be cool to see a video on how HE shells interact with tracks, and if they can break them or simply just damage them
Why you didn't use Abrams, Leopard etc as sample? Just because it couldn't possibl that cv90 fight them?
Hits the ammo, goes straight through, and turns it red. Welcome to top tier
Turn it to Red ? Most of time I don’t even damage it specially if it was T-80BVM 😂😂
Pen? It wont even go through the sideskirts
Nah that aint it. It will only orange the crew and turn the ammo black (destroyed) but the tank doesn't blow up. Keep in mind it happens several times :')
@@Gracefulwarrior2124 Most of the time I've seen the shell go harmlessly through the carousel.
@@DarkButz All of the time I get blown up by Abrams that didn't even aim at my hull
I love how the 40mm bofors is right up there with the .50 cal as some of the longest serving weaponry in the world.
The L/70 has a longer barrel, different faster mechanism, and bigger cartridge than the L/60 from WW2
@@highmolecularweightRDX designed in 1948 and in service since 1952 still puts it up their with longest serving weapons. its not the 100 years of the M2 but its still earned itself quite a venerable position. also the update to it isn't very dramatic with a slight case lengthening and retuning of the firing mechanism its kind of like saying the AK isn't an old gun because they are using the AK-12 and not the AK-47 or AKM anymore. they are different but not by much.
Laughts in Maxim 😏
@@TADAMAT-CZ definitely true but the maxim isn't still manufactured and has only been adopted due to old stockpiles still being around. that saying though its damn impressive to have salt mines full of old maxims get used in the 21st century.
nothing beats the 7.62 x 54r cartridge
0:59 _looks over at the 5-round burst button_ *”It’s a surprise tool that’ll help us later!”*
8 round clips with 5 rounds/sec fire rate.
you can fire either 4 round burst or 8
0:53 except it doesn't matter if they have ERA as the 40mm bofors is fully automatic so while the first hit might not do much the fact that you're firing 5-10 rounds will probably work.
I think it is only possible to fire single rounds with sabot selected.
@@DramigbaklangesI think you can fire semiautomatic
no, you can also fire bursts @@Dramigbaklanges
Exactly, and if the first and last round they fire is a 3p ammunition then it is game over for the tank
@@AdalbertSchneider_Only with the high explosive something about higher pressure ammo or smthin but the 30mm one can go in full auto because it's a different design
Could you simulate the 3P ammunition hitting a BMP3 with its AP mode, or an Airburst of it against MTLB or BMP targets ?
40mm 3P ammo can easily penetrate the BMP-3
All of these vehicles have anti-hmg armor only, not anti cannon
The heavy ERA thing is correct and will effectivly stop the 40mm apfsds but because its an autocannon the era can only stop a single shot
5 rounds a second. I wonder how big the spread is with a 5 round burst at 500 meters.
@@Juel92 doesnt matter because in another second there is another 5 rounds
at 500 m against static targets ive seen 30 cm hit box for burst fire.@@Juel92
Hit the ERAwith a burst of HE and then follow it up with a Sabot round?
@@JimmyCrawfordHE from a 40mm wouldn't destroy the ERA, at least I don't think.
In a way the CV90 mirror the development of the WW2 Tiger. Both were equipped with what was initially a successful anti-aircraft gun.
Many WW2 tank guns were initially anti-aircraft guns. Even the Sherman 75mm was from a (failed) anti-air prototype. The 3-inch of the M10 was the M1918 3" AA gun. The Pershing's 90mm was also lifted straight from AA duty, 90mm M1. The 85mm of T-34-85 fame started out as an AA gun (M1939-52-K).
@@MPI1000 The Tiger killer -the 17 lber was always an anti tank gun
Can you make a simulation of dpicms? Ive been wondering how effective it could be against turret roofs or bmps/btrs
Can you simulate penetrating the track, roadwheel, and armor from a shallow angle? Alternatively, only the roadwheel and then the armor at a steeper angle.
In that case, this baby will shred all modern tanks from the side, since T-72 has probably the thickest hull walls in the business. Abrams and Leo-2 tanks for instance don't reach even 50mm in hull wall thickness.
Ssssh, don't pop their bubble
It's not only about thickness, it's about materials and type, f ex cast iron vs composite armor.
@@antioch4019 Composite armor is a broad term, and AFAIK all Soviet MBTs since T-64 have it in various forms.
@@user-co3uc8vt7e true but I believe the og 72 had cast iron and cold war era soviet are believed to have 300 rna wich is what he seems to have assumed on in the video.
I guess that’s why simulated situation is almost unreal nowadays since modern tanks likely used as hidden long range snipers. They just not designed with purpose being attacked from sides. None tank will survive being attacked properly, especially from sides.
AFAIK the 40mm gun is extremly accurate, basically shoots hole in hole for quite some range dramatically increasing the probability of penetration as it can penetrate up to 60mm RHS (please do correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I've read at least).
120 RHA mm with apfsds
@@whatdoesntkillyoumakesyous6707 Oh, neat!
Impressive penetration for such a small caliber dart- compared to MBT guns anyways.
It is 200mm in length. 105 rod back in the 1970s is also roughtly 200mm in length. The result is not a surprise.
Which specific MBT gun are you referring to? Russian 3BM60 penetrates over 750mm of RHA, M829A3 is claimed to penetrate over 900. Also a lot depends on the material used. DU penetrates more at lower velocities but same length, Tungsten needing more velocity for same results.
@@jintsuubest9331Which round is this? I've not heard of an APFSDS for the 105 that was so short?
@@hi_-bz7wf Shells such as DM23 or M735 are just as short as a normal shell, they did not extend into the cartridge like modern ones
@@Minh-Tran-04 They are small, but they aren't close to the 200mm that a prior commenter claimed.
Could you make a simulation exploring metal foam as armor?
Damn. Impressive thing.
In light of wt update, can yoy do sabot petal simulation?
@SY Simulations You should know that even the "plain" steel used in tanks made in the last 40 years or so, is significantly stronger than WW2 stuff. I would not be surprised if this 80mm plate was equivalent to a 100mm one against subcaliber shells impacting at high obliquity.
Yeah its quite impressive how far things have come. For the most part my ww2 models use 'good quality' armour as the bad quality ww2 ones vary too much in what makes them bad quality, and there's less data out there to calibrate against. They're still modelled as weaker than modern armour though :)
Could we see an IS-7's gun vs UFP of a naked and covered in ERA Type59.
I always heard Era wasn't good at AP, but SUPER against heat. Am I behind the info curve? Has it been engineered to be better against it AP in general, or just good against sub-tank round AP like 40, 30, and the like AP?
Yeah youre about 40 years behind, look up kontact 5
i heard during WWI soldiers pulled out bullet from casing and put it the other way around so the flat end is first to touch target. Apparently this was penetrating tanks at the time better, could you make simulation on that?
that was germans trying to destroy british tanks I believe, then they made the K bullet (Silver Bullet) to penerate the british tanks armour
@@neferpoyaz4037 K Geschoss and Reversed rounds are not the same.
kzhead.info/sun/pKelaN16np-oY68/bejne.htmlsi=xmjA20uRGxtWyuXC
kzhead.info/sun/pKelaN16np-oY68/bejne.html "For the conditions presented in the simulation, no significant advantage of the reversed projectile was noticed."
@@Ghostmaxi1337please elaborate more
Can you please tell, what program do you use?
Would love to see the losat missle vs impact angle Seen in a wt video of one being ricochet off a top plate I just cant see how ~30-40mm of armor managed to bounce a 100+ pound steel rocket
Because its war thunder Aparantly technology has been moving backwards because their magic russian ww2 aphe shell would go through the same angle no bother
What Variant of the T72 you use in the experiment? The armor in the Urals are very diferent from the latter ones.
The side armour doesn't differ much at all between t72 variants the only change is the applique armour which he mentions hes left out
What is the diameter of that 40mm APFSDS penetrator itself?
Why are you not simulating the rad liner?
Seems like SB PRO PE simulation was right, in SB PRO PE those rounds tend to penetrate T-72M from the side with no problem.
I wonder if the 4cm Bofors L/70 can penetrate a T-72B3 Model 2016 with Nil Stali 4S24 Relikt ERA on the Sides this one seems to be a base T-72B3 no Relikt ERA
Is there a 30mm or 25mm apfsds?
what about CV90 vs 9K121 Vikhr video?
Can we test some artillery and mortar shells on contemporary armour? Like what happens if a standard Russian 152mm shell direct hits a M1 Abrams turret.
he has a similar video with the 125mm HE showing the overpressure, either that or its XYZ who did the video but to sum it up the explosive force can crack the upper hull over the drivers position and likely will kill the driver with overpressure while concussing the rest of the crew. basically just size that up a bit.
152? The explosion would break through the roof. No questions asked. Most Russian HE-FRAG shells have about 7.5kg of HE in them. Some have less by up to 2kg. Some have up to 10, in case of laser guided Centimeter-M with 12kg. That one will 100% crack the roof right through.
if 152 mm HE hits a tank directly, the tank is out of action, period
How is the 200m extreme range?
Can you test APCBC vs wood and RHA at 30/45°???? (Like the armor of Fury in the movie)
He said he can't simulate non isotropic materials like wood.
@@JohnSmith-ix6ts :(
So the 40mm apfsds should have around 200mm of pen? 80mm plate at 65 should be 190mm thick
APFSDS are more efficient at high obliquity. Pen at normal should be about 170-180mm.
Whats the program used?
Can you do m829a4 vs t90 turret straight on
Is it possible to do things like old civil war cannons, possible like a 32 lber cannon vs something like a Sherman. Just to see how it would do.
Considering ironclad ships used only a couple centimetres of mild steel to protect against those same shots I'd imagine it would just bounce right off a sherman or shatter
The unmanned new tank has a bushmaster III also.
What if it was THE FRONTAL ARMOR and direct constant strikes???
Kornet vs Leopard A2 please
What about the videos that have come out of 30mm from a Ukrainian BTR4 tearing through the side armor of Russian T-72s?
It makes sense that tactics would have been developed to counter the ERA. I can imagine hosing down such an equipped tank with HE follow up with a couple APFSDS rounds.
Given that the Sabot rounds can activate the ERA (since the ERA is designed to counter KE and HEAT projectiles) it would not make sense to fire HE. 1. You cant tell if the enemy has ERA unless you are super close ( you might not even be able to tell what T series tank it is) 1.a. Taking the time to decide what to shoot even if you can tell is time you are not shooting 2. A sabot round can still do some damage on a side shot even if there is ERA (if nothing else because you are not guaranteed to hit the ERA). 3. The ERA types that are designed to protect against SABOT have heavy (~1inch) plates on the outside, they may not even get set off by small caliber HE
@contagioushavoc5794 what about Armour piercing incendiary?
Regarding dynamic protection, everything is very controversial. In theory, Contact-1 does not initiate from kinetic ammunition. And it is Contact 1 that is hung on board the tanks. In many tanks, this place is blocked by additional steel sheets of 20mm. Behind them is a rubber-fabric screen, so the elements of the chassis serve as additional armor. That is why the support rollers of the T-72 tank are large. And the caterpillar c is quite thick. The thickness of the armor of the T-72 tank body in some places reaches 300mm at an angle of 90. This is if with the thickness of the support roller and an additional steel plate. If there is a contact-1, this is an additional 10mm if it does not work and 200 if it works. At an angle of 60, the armor in the most protected place reaches 600mm. But in the place where the author showed, yes, there is weak armor. 80mm housing and +20mm additional plate and 20mm rubber+container contact-1. That is, only about 110mm of pure steel + 20mm of rubber. I don't know how it will delay the projectile.
@@PanzerAce760 largely replaced by APFSDS or APDS rounds in general, only nations that still make common use of full caliber AP rounds for their IFV/AFV/APC autocannons like AP-I or APHE is iirc Russia, China, and a few warsaw pact supplied countries. APDS and APFSDS almost exclusively have a better penetration, velocity, and post-pen shrapnel effect than full caliber rounds which is why they are largely the only real AP rounds used by most western IFVs or vehicles mounting an autocannon with cost and production chain complexity being their main limiting factor, which is usually fixed quickly in the case of war-time production. The Russians for example only barely started putting 30mm APDS rounds into production for their BMP-2/3 series of IFVs and even then they're incredibly rare in use due to the costs of production and the supply chain already in place in Ukraine using AP-I and AP-T rounds for the 30mm they use.
@@PanzerAce760 API or the HEAT?
The tank may survive if the crews does not carry the spare ammo in hull/turret
It will survive in this case. Since the 90's a russian study pointed that most of ammo detonations happen because of ammo outside the caroussel not inside of it,so they started puting ammo just in the carousel and not in other parts of their tanks.
@@cykablyat123br9it depends, if the round continues into the tank then it'll very likely punch through the 5mm thick autoloader stowage area and hit the projectiles inside.
spall will kill the crew, russian tanks don't have anti spall protection. At 1:10 the red mist in the sim is spall, with each pixel being equivalent to a shotgun pellet
@@signs80 this will depend much of the density and velocity of the spall. If it is almost the same thing of a shotgun pellet so it will not be able to penetrate the caroussel in this case.
@@cykablyat123br9 I'm talking about the remains of the penetrator, that will go through 5mm of steel without a problem.
What's hilarious is I was playing WT n this exact thing happened. Strange
this is how many times you need to burn in the cv90 to get close to the tank at 200 m
If it hit the road wheel what would be the effect instead?
judging by how little energy it had left hitting the roadwheel before the armor plate would have stopped a full penetration but probably still would bulge the back side of the armor.
GAU-12 equalizer AP vs the side of a T-72A
Surely the CV90 having an Autocannon makes the ERA redundant? It could only work on the shots that set it off, all follow ups would pass right through?
pretty much, iirc the rate of fire on that bofors is around 120 rounds a minute and it might be able to fire a bit faster than that but either way 2 rounds a second doesn't give you any time to really react before you have already been pretty thoroughly perforated.
@@dominuslogik484 This is at 200m, and you'd be suicidal to get THIS close to the tank.
@@Max_Da_G Thats a realistic senario if we go by the ukraine war
@@Max_Da_G I have seen plenty of footage out of Ukraine with tanks blasting each other from less than 500 meters through a tree line. also though I have no idea where I said anything regarding range or referring to something that would make that particular topic relevant to what I said... pretty sure that the round would still pen at 600 meters but barely.
Odds are any caught in the open with a T-72 within sight wount shop shooting at it until the turret pops off or the crew bails
*new modern 20th century fighting armoured vehicle* *look inside* -ww2 Autocannon + Tungsten stick
Comes a point when physics and engineering have to compromise, and from then on all you can really do is fiddle a bit.
@@josephd.5524 peak Swedish Engineering hit in the 1930's after that they still use old stuff but somehow still effective , like Brother tell me how do they got 37mm APDS that could Pen 115mm in 1943?
the Bofors 40mm L/60 is from the 1930s, but this is Bofors 40mm L/70 from the 1950s
@@juusolatva to be fair all they did was update the breach and extend the barrel lol
@@dominuslogik484 it had a now caliber and it also fired alot faster
The Begleitpanzer 57 Also had an Apdsfs available, how would it be, if it would have went into production?
I knew I would find you here. :D
@@peasant8246 Haha, hi. :D
If you have a diagram and some info then I'd appreciate it if you could send it to my email! Definitely something I'd be interested in simulating
@@SYsimulations After asking around, i think its still classified...
APFSDS-T Mk II IM can be fired at maximum rate of fire and is constructed of a tungsten penetrator, stabilized by four fins and a triple sectioned sabot. -us army .mil
y thats why it can fire 300rounds per minute ... 1. wont go trough but 2. 3. will ... and even 30 mm on bmp can go trough side armor of t-72
Is this projectile really that long?
should be around 20 cm
@@kullenberg83 And in this simulation, the projectile is longer than the thickness of the armor. The side armor of this tank is clearly more than 20 cm.
Well the 40mm shells ive handled the projectile was around 20 cm long. I didnt messured it exactly but if you really want to know im sure ethere is info on wikipedia on the exactl lenght@@Anti_Everything
@@Anti_Everything the side armour of the t72 is 80mm
Keep in mind it can fire at least 2 per second on the 40mm if i recall correctly, so if they hit the same spot twice, it is game over
5 rounds per second
Afaik the bag ERA is only as effective as Kontakt 1. Only the proper backing plated ERA has actual KE protection.
wich T-72? The Ural, A or B-version?
Side armor on the hull is the same, 80mm
@@enriqueouro9 they should improve it. What is with the T-90s?
@@Neonblue84 still 80mm... T-90 is an upgraded T-72 with a new name but mostly the same
@@Neonblue84 The hull from T-72B and T-90 is basically the same, the biggest change is the new turret with the T-90A
@@enriqueouro9I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, the only version of the t90 with a new turret was the "t90 vladimir" which very little is known about. All the others are practically t72s with different upgrades depending on what version.
I mean, "if" the ERA has been activated? You see a tank, you hold the trigger down.
Jackhammer bit encapsulated in delron w/ sabot @1400 fps smoothbore vs leapord 2 🎉
Modern ifvs vs ww2 tanks (obviously with the main guns)
200м ?😂 are you serious
damn meatballs tried to turn my tank crew into meatballs
Thank engineers for spall liner ;)
@@Max_Da_G aboooout that, them buget cuts are hard hitting, we had to use cardboard as the spall liner.
Странная симуляция побития, когда от снаряда практически нечего не остается он продолжает наносить урон броне.
Simulate a .22 bouncing instakilling the crew of the maus.
Tbh it doesn't penetrate as the round doesn't exist anymore. Also they're not plasticine. And the ablation rate is woefully off.
And our bofors guns are AUTOCANNONS
Do an iron man armor simulation! Gold-titanium alloy vs the tank round from the first movie
even if that armor was 4 inches thick it would have still been penetrated quite easily from any 120mm tank round
@@dominuslogik484 yeah but just for fun. Maybe test .50 cal or 7.62 and other small arms
Titanium is basically glorifyed aluminium, while gold... well, it's softer than cheese
@@user-pw1oh2mw6q Titanium is definitely not glorifyed aluminum lol. its extremely hard and very lightweight meanwhile aluminum is very ductile and lightweight. A thin sheet of 2mm titanium can stop things like standard small caliber handgun rounds and possibly a 9mm from a distance but aluminum certainly couldn't do the same. basically look at the altyn helmet for the effectiveness of titanium, it can stop small caliber rounds while being quite thin but any rifle round, even out of a short barrel, will go through it.
@@kdaltex here watch this video if you want to know how good titanium armor is. kzhead.info/sun/g7hpZZ2genyBeaM/bejne.html
If an IFV gets a chance to shoot broad side of a tank, the tank is likely dead already.
Now do the reverse.
With its rate of fire, that t72 is going to take 5 hits back to back in a few seconds. I would not want to be in any tank that gun shoots in the side. The 50mm bushmaster III is coming soon to nato ifv
Lol 200/400rpm completely counters ERA. Also with better optic and targeting and mobility it could volley and hide, also damaging the optic and main gun for the t72 to miss. If it was a big battle i would almost say the 90 would win if they dont upgrade the targeting for t72.
Wow thats around 180 mm los pen from a 40 mm. looks like the german engineers of WW2 missed a trick or 2
Excuse me where can I purchase this game what’s the name of it???
It's not a game, it's a simulation
@@kwkfortythree39 so where can I get the simulation?
@@TitaAguirreGarcia sorry, I don't know what software uses @SYsimulations
It’s OK but thank you for trying you do something that some KZheadrs can’t , respond to their viewers😁😁😁😁
its called finite element method.
Don't shot this to Gaijin
Дак в вар Тандер есть динамическая защита
Now give it ERA!
And give the CV90 its 12-14 rounds per minute
@@arround1 I think his computer would melt.
era doesnt do shit vs a 40 mm autocanon.... and certinly not a russian "ERA"
@@laves820 Russia ERA works just fine. I'm not sure why Javelins hitting the top of tanks and penetrating shocked everyone. Guess what, Abrams and Leopard have even less top armour than T90. They would blow up just as easily. Indeed we see plenty of Leopard 2s lost already to artillery and even the small Lancet drone.
@@greybuckleton Leopard 2E, HEL and Strv 122 have significantly more top armor than a T-90.
Thank you Sweden, for providing the free world with excellent anti-authoritarian weapons❤❤💛💛💙💙
I dont know the CV90 have a apfsds✌🥺
I think one effective tactic would be to use the Bofors to neutralise the active protection, then the ATGM to administer the coup de grace. Launch the missile, then use the Bofors to deliver a time on target burst of projectiles.
can you simulate how an modern anti-tank rifle could go against tanks?
Rather RPG-7 vs CV-90 Ohh, no need to do the simulation, have been done in real life
While many russian tanks may have era installed. Its being uninstalled daily.
"Trust me bro"
Just 40mm. Russian tanks are stil junk after 50 years 😂😂😂.
Wrong. Most Russian tanks have no ERA or rubber blocks. UA confirms this.
If you look at footage, there are a lot of examples of Russian MBTs equipped with ERA.
watch the video from the Russian forces. This will give a more complete picture of the events taking place. Ukrainian propaganda greatly distorts reality. This was noticed by many independent journalists from USA and EU
That footage could be have been staged, i havnt seen footage of a russian tank being hit in the ERA and it not reacting. If this was the norm for russian tanks to have ruber evidence would support it. It however doesnt
ye fake ERA and russian era is dog shit. Second ERA doesnt work vs 40mm autocanon @@user-qy4cf9ir5k
Такое не возможно в 95% случаев. CV90 будет гореть прежде чем подъедет на 200 метров к Т-72.
Ничто не мешает ей закрысится кустах в лучших традициях тундры
@@zbj5688 мешает
Over 500 T72s were burned while not a single CV90 was destroyed so... cope harder
@@thezig2078 да потому что их нет на фронте, они бесполезны со своей 40мм
@@user-ml7sb5nz2g speak human language, not orc
I remember watching a video of Ukrainian BTR-4 with its 30mm able to destroy T-72 tank from the front as well.
I believe it's not possible to pen it with a 30mm in front, BTR-4 carries ATGMs, that might have been the case
Not exactly a staggering amount of damage, but a hole is a hole, and if that lump of superheated metal came in low towards the carousel, it'd be all you need.
The point (no pun intended) of an APFSDS, is not necessarily to cause catastrophic damage to the tank itself, but rather to creating spalling/fragmentation that'll bounce around inside and shred the crew.
@@user-qy4cf9ir5k also most tank crews will not stick around after the armor has been penetrated because if one got in and nobody died you are all just lucky and waiting around for the next penetration is suicidal.
well it only blows out the tank and kill the crew but I dont know what you want else ^^
40 мм vs panzer😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂