This Darkest Dungeon documentary details the development of the indie video game Darkest Dungeon and goes behind the scenes of its creation. Discover how Tyler Sigman and Chris Bourassa created their own game development studio and brought their idea for Darkest Dungeon to life, as well as how they managed to develop a critically and financially successful game with the help of Kickstarter and Early Access.
The documentary also explores why the developer had to deal with an outrage after they implemented two new gameplay changes in the Early Access version. Red Hook Studios is far from done with the world they created for Darkest Dungeon and is currently working on Darkest Dungeon 2, a direct sequel that will release on Early Access first, just like the original.
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@@alexzanderjase7995 Kinda dumb but ok.
Duck game?
Remember: "summoning the Devil is not the same as seeing it coming."
Outer Wilds please
bendy and the ink machine would be different and cool
I can't believe people actually got mad over adding corpses and heart attacks. With the heart attack mechanic, if you're ever even getting to 200 stress, you're doing something incredibly wrong. The studio was right in that it's main function is as an incentive to be careful with your hero's stress
Been toying with Darkest Dungeon since early early access (ugh). From my personnal point of view these changes made the game harder and more complex, and the negative impression it left on me is that all the game mechanics I used/exploited in order to have a comfortable experience (very low risk of hero death, basically cruising through even harder dungeons) were rendered moot. In other words, I was frustrated that these gameplay changes would mean a constant if not increasing tension throughout the game with no comfy late-game plateau, and instead an increasingly steep climb until the very end. Which is as it should be. Darkest Dungeon was never meant to be a comfy experience and Red Hook was absolutely right to include these mechanics.
I hardly find those mechanics unfair. Without corpses, it's pretty pointless to use bleed/blight on non-bosses, instead of just using your strongest attack. It also makes the Plague Doctor class much more usefull. Combine that with the Heart attack mechanic and you now have a solid reason to take out those guys at the back first, that spam stess moves instead of the ones that deal actual damage. It also prevents you from relying on one or two strong heroes, because now stress relief are much more important.
Probably the same people who ask for an easy mode in Dark Souls.
I don't have any problem with the corpse update. However, I don't really appreciate the continuous patches to enhance reinforcement that is designed to prevent players from stalling and recover status, which is never effective as of today - we hit corpses with the weakest attacks/stuns every other turn to avoid reinforcement. It shouldn't ever exist because the combat strategy of DD is basically stun and eliminate the most dangerous enemies in the first two turns, thus making the squad vulnerable to physical and stress attacks by the less dangerous enemies. Naturally, players need extra turns to restore to full status and conduct that strategy for the following battles, I don't see why this should be punished.
Before heart attacks, you just didn't have to care about stress. Healing was all you needed. Yes, afflictions were bad and sucked, but it still wasn't the end of the world and at that point, with the way the game targets stress attacks (I think it's 50% chance of hitting your highest stress hero, 50% chance of another hero, something like that), having 1 guy at 100 stress made it so any stress inducing enemy was 50% weaker without actually making any effort. This change was relevant.
"-We need someone that sound like Wayne June +What about Wayne June?"
Great idea! The greatest idea
Big brain time.
I mean it's worth a shot.
A Singular Strike
"yeah let's boycott features you can disable" *HUGE BRAIN TIME*
I like how nobody ever mentions that. I feel like it’s just because they don’t want to disable it due to their own ego.
@@kingcalibur413 again people too pride to go back and apologize
It's a mob. Humanity has had to deal with them forever, but the Internet has made any two-bit rag-tag band and any controversy, however insignificant, into a potential trigger for a mob.
"You expect me to take 2 minutes to go to the options menu!? I have a life you know!" Or alternatively "How dare you! Now other people might PLAY THE GAME WRONG"
Wasnt like that at launch ... and it also messed up so much of peoples gameplay
"Many fall in the face of chaos...but not this one, not today." That quote gives me so much strength to finish the mission and do my heros proud
not after everyone else died lol
The writing was S-tier. The fact that it would always come at crucial moments was S++. The voice acting made it S+++++.
“The abyss returns… even the boldest gaze.”
A really good advice and wisdom from Ancestor, which will help you make the right choices: *The sin is not in being outmatched, but in failing to recognize it* *The wise general cuts losses and regroups*
@@1God1Fury I prefer this quote from Confucius: "Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day."
Both heart attacks and corpses are great additions, i just wish heroes left corpses when they died for a turn or two as well.
Since Butcher's Circus release added heor corpses, it's only a matter of time when smb make a mod out of them.
They were too focused on upping the difficulty for the player they forgot to add hero corpses.
that's actually a great idea.
that would be very helpful in certain situations like the time when 2 of party members died and since my vestal was at the second position, she couldn't heal my bounty hunter so i had no choice but to flee
I was kind pissed about the corpses when they came out. Not because it was more difficult, but that it felt unfair. Up until that point, enemies played by the same rules you did, just with different stats and abilities. Then suddenly they were handed this huge advantage that you didn't have access to.
Wayne June is one of the most important parts of this game. The Narration in Darkest Dungeon is so incredible. It was the narration that made me buy the game.
true
I agree. His delivery and the writing for his lines *make* the atmosphere. And the atmosphere makes a lot of the game work.
Hard same, although the art cute-disturbing art style was very much so a part of that.
Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
“Glittering gold, trinkets and baubles, paid for in blood.” Dude, I just picked up a torch! 😂
I don't really know why i got this recommended but it's interesting.
That's why you got it recommended. The algorithm that watches your behaviour thought you'd find it interesting, and it was right.
I got this in my feed because I watched the Stardew Valley video
SAME Thanks Algori-chan!
I mean I've watched a few Darkest Dungeon videos, so unlike the videos with animals killing each other (wtf youtube) this tracks.
I agree, I didn't see it until today but I enjoy hearing the story behind such an odd and amazing game
They were planning on hiring someone who sounded like June, until they realized *June reads things for a living.*
i hate anime This um. I’m sorry to tell you this but this isn’t an anime pfp
i hate anime Well, have fun hating cats in names.
@i hate anime keep doing good work, sir. I'm sure you'll find a lot of friends with such amazing attitude
welp, this comment confirmed something. That's one note added
@i hate anime this went from escalating memes to you being genuinely nice XD
The corpse and heart attack system is actually pretty good especially when the Butcher's Circus DLC came out, not only you have the option to defeat your opponent with physical attacks but you can also beat them by inflicting too much stress. It made the game more strategic as you don't only need to watch your heroes' health and deathdoor resistance but stress levels aswell.
It's a nice balance mechanic. You can have a hero so tanky that they're impossible to kill but they're still vulnerable to stress.
Iratus Lord of the Dead says hi.
Stress in Butcher's Circus is stupidly broken and is harmful for ranked experience
The thing is back when corpses were introduced you couldn't clear them easily
Mentioning butchers circus and heart attacks unironically Did you even play it? All that gamemode is, is man at arms screaming at eachother. Its completely pants shittingly busted.
"DD2 is a game about a gruelling journey, not about cleaning your backyard" I want a mod that turns all enemies into backyard utilities and they get boxed and stored away instead of killed pls.
YES! GENIUS! THEY NEED TO HIRE YOU NOW! Seriously make a mod please.
Why stop there? How about hero skin mods that have their attack sprites replaced with various forms of lawn work?
@@yetanotherkeyblader3572 Plauge doctor farmer?
Plants vs zombies!
Player: Defeat a opponent. Wayne June: 'With the right equipment, even the messiest of the masses can be sorted'
Good thing they kept corpses and heart attack, cannot conceive this game without it.
Of course!
I can understand the distaste with the heart attack mechanic since it hastens the death of characters you try everything to do to keep alive. But at the same time you can walk out of any dungeon at any stage to keep them alive, recoup, and re-enter.
@i hate anime I think it's still fine. Removing afflictions just take time and you will typically have a 2nd team for tackling the dungeons anyways as a backup. Having a Jester to balance stress is ideal and a great addition to the game. Even if you leave partway through a dungeon you typically have scrounge together enough from that run to fund everything anyways. Leaving and rentering only limits you from progressing in Ernest and getting trinkets you may want. The slow and steady approach wins out in the end though as your team develops bonuses, remove afflictions and level.
I think the only time I lost someone to a heart attack was a champion flagellant that got super hard focused on a run in the weald.
When the first implemented heart attacks it wasn't balanced. The critisism of it was more than justified.
"I was an adventurer like you, till i took and arrow to my sanity" I'll be a town guard where the sweet rolls flow like water.
@@rasmachris94 And that's not to mention other classes like Houndmaster or Crusader having Stress heals of their own. Not as strong as the Jester but a decent alternative if you can't or don't want to use the Jester
Darkest Dungeon is one of my favorite games that I'll just never finish. I went through the entire game on the edge of my seat, just kind of dreading the next room, but the game's design philosophy is just so smart in how it forces you to move forward: the slow decay of the torch, the creeping darkness, the beginnings of insanity on your character and the random affects it'll have. GAH. I went in thinking that I'd do it flawlessly and by level 3 it was all about triage for me my first time playing. Like I knew my best Cleric would go insane and I'd have no chance to keep him together, so I had to push. God this game hurts but it's just so good. I love the long-form documentary style, man, you did a wonderful job. I'm happy to see more channels like mine, cataloguing the development of gaming history. Great, great video and a great, great game!
Thanks for the compliments, man! I'm also glad to see there's more smaller channels in my niche. Development stories are so fascinating and deserve to be documented.
or you can leave the dungeon :P
NPC Gaming Group Yeah I’ve tried to raid the darkest dungeon with my best characters and lost. I love the game but I’ve failed so much I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. I’m not the best strategist but I feel like I put a lot of thought into preparing yet I can’t win. I’ve been grinding out regular dungeons but it’s honestly getting boring now. I should look up videos.
@@frankjaeger1711 Use a Hellion or two, she's a beast and can usually hit anywhere, hard.
Your first mistake. Not using grave robber tomb raider combo
"Nooo! Our fans are complaining about a mechanic we added so we have to have options in the menu to turn them off!" "Haha torches that give you unluck go frrrr"
And now we have the Torch God.
Wait it can be disabled in options? Sounds like playing a game by turning off the game
Exactly! I can never understand people being such baby. I really want to see their faces look like.
2:45 It's crazy how an idea born from budget limitation was the best decision they could have ever done from a visual standpoint, the game is beautiful! Another example of a great opportunity/solution born from adversity and a situation that sucked.
Darkest Dungeon 1 Early Access Protest : "Heart Attack & Corpses" Darkest Dungeon 2 Early Access Protest : "Epic Games Store Exclusive"
It hurts!
i wish the DD2 protest was something we could toggle lol, but unlike the heart attack and corpses it's objectively a downgrade.
wow really its gonna be an epic exclusive? guess ill have to wait a year or two after release before it hits steam or GOG. the epic launcher is fucking awful and every time i boot it up its always painfully slow to download anything and fails constantly.
There was a time when DD didn't have heart attacks mechanics? That must be a very easy game
Um yeah, and enemies hit double harder. Also marks could kill hero. Also stress attacks are harder. You must be very lucky if you had upgraded your hero to max level.
Srsly, every fight was like you were fighting rivals. And you had to kill 9 parties of smart rivals. Do you win pvp 9 times in a row?
@@TheSpitefulSword I m not the best player, but I got like majority of heroes in lvl 6, I then installed a mod for adding stage coach max cap, and have like 150-160 lvl 6 heroes. My death counts is 11. Edit: it's in Darkest run
@@hestunugroho3654 I am talking about early access, bud.
@@TheSpitefulSword oh sorry, I see, is it harder than Bloodmoon? Or there's no death's door yet in early access?
Red Hook Studios: "We don't use the word 'fun' over here. We use 'masochism-inflicted excitement'"
Fun is like "nice", almost meaningless. Games are enjoyable when you're overcoming reasonable difficulty. That level of reasonableness is up for everyone to argue about, because everyone's tastes are different and at different times for each person.
I don't think it's as much as it is masochism as it is the satisfaction from overcoming something difficult you had issues previously with
"Claustrophobic, intimate, intense." Exactly. Great doc.
I can't believe that there was ever a version of DD without Wayne June as the Ancestor. I don't think I'd enjoy the game half as much without him, his voice is the linchpin that holds the excellent presentation together.
I've finished this game twice, and i remember how this game changed me from a soft hearted guild leader (or investor?) to cold hearted psychopath that'll sacrifice new kids just to add more coins to my coffers. 10/10 recommended it
If Darkest Dungeon had any major learning headlines for me, those were: 1: Don't stress yourself out 2: Weakminded will fall easily, the strong willed carry on 3 (and the most important one imo): *_You cannot save them all_* It's a game of psychology in its roots
and one cannot miss 4: *Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.*
Number 5: you cannot learn a thing you think you know Number 6:there is no shame in retreated the only shame is failing to recognize when
3 was technically false, at least last time I checked. You could even kill the final boss before it got a chance to send out its one-hit KO beam.
"You cannot save them all" *laughs in exiting the game*
@@randommoron9892 your pride fails you when you know running away is the right answer I know that’s a long quote for the ancestor but felt right
Wait, you can turn the heart attack thing off? I've been playing it for 13 weeks and you can turn it off? I'll keep it on I guess.
I have 383 hours on steam and just noticed thanks to your comment... xD I won't turn it off tho. Just not the same without it.
I have been playing since 2017 and I also didn't know it was an option... though tbh I don't really use options aside from calibrating my sound settings XD
the people who reacted extremely negative to the "corpses and heart attacks" update are sounding nothing more than "they should've hired me instead! i can make game good, yes! my vision is always right, always perfect!"
they are the same ones who demand easy mode for From software games. also they suck their own cocks coz they aint got no spine.
bet they throw hissy fits with bloodborne and dark souls
they were overconfident, neglecting the fact that it's a slow and insidious killer.
@@roja119 ironically, no. The type of people who were slamming the devs for making changes to the games are more likely the same sorta people who think there shouldn't be difficulty modes in From Soft games. Aka the gamer bros who can't handle any ounce of change, or can't possibly imagine a game not specifically catered to please them and only them.
@@Spamhard What, exactly, makes you say that? It seems it would be the people who complain about there not being any difficulty setting, no? With your logic, you claim that those very same people you're talking about would be against From Software making their games even harder, no? I mean, making SoulsBourne games even harder with a certain game feature would count as a change, correct? See? That doesn't seem to add up at all. The people that complain about adding easier difficulties in games, wouldn't complain about a feature that specifically makes the game harder and more strategic... I'm just saying that what you're saying doesn't make too much sense, and maybe you feel more personally about those specific people, ya know?
The side perspective reminds me of something Lorne Lanning said about the flip screen perspective and how it can be more immersive as it focuses on the character and your role as the guardian of that character. The perspective works really well to make you attached to the characters and feel responsible for them. Sometimes a game can be more immersive when the player is themselves detached from the scene, and I find that really interesting. Its not about "I want to survive" because its a video game and you aren't in danger, its about "I want these guys to survive". It makes things immersive AS a video game.
This game was lightning in a bottle. I cannot believe how good it is. Getting Wayne June to do the narration was such an incredible get also. I've been a fan of his since I stumbled across his work a few years prior to DD's announcement. Great look at the game!
The heart attack mechanic is essential for this game. It forces players to focus on controlling stress causing enemies. If having full stress caused nothing more than a decrease in stats it would be in a player's best interest to ignore their stress and prepare for the potential debut. But with heart attacks it reinforces the idea that no matter how much of a big bad boy you might be everyone has their limits.
This documentary is Ancestral level of editing. Just wow, this video is just perfect, insta like and insta favorite
Much appreciated man!
@@ThatGuyGlen No, thank you for this video. There is a lot of things I didnt know. Keep the good work man! Have a good day
Will do, more videos are coming :D Have a nice day too!
Darkest Dungeon appeals to my inner masochist who is also a completionist.
It's so shocking to me that your channel isn't more popular, I'll definitely recommend at least a few videos to some friends. I love your videos, you're doing amazing, I can't wait for the next video
Thank you so much! Recommending to friends would really help out a lot, especially for a small channel like mine. I'm happy with where I am so far though, since I've only got 6 videos on my channel right now. It takes some time on KZhead to gain traction, but it's always awesome to see comments like yours so thanks again!
His content is just copied documentaries you can watch the original versions of on other channels like the escapist and noclip beat for beat.
As a starting developer I can only imagine how fucking dope it must be to get the game you and your friend idealized to sell 2 million copies and even go for a sequel, WTF
Good stuff, man! Glad to see another up and coming content creator and give my support. Looking forward to the next one.
Thanks, man! It’s been a blast so far. I’m really excited about the next one I’m working on, stay tuned!
youtube algorithm has blessed both you and i, your channel is amazing! script wise and editing love the style. Been binging all ur videos i love them! although ur voice can be more tuned up (intonation wise imo) or thats just me lol. liked and subscribed!
Thank you so much, glad you like the videos! You're definitely right about my voice and it's an area I'm working on. People around me have also said that I need to work on my intonation so I'm trying to improve with each video :D
The guy screaming "well struck! we have naught to fear" then getting instagibbed is so Darkest Dungeon
"Remind you that overconfidence is a slowly yet silent killer" I love Darkest Dungeon simply for this priceless rogue like advice!😍
“Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.”
"Leper in front of the row to take the damage" Also every enemy: GET THE PLAGUE DOCTOR!
Recently started playing Darkest Dungeon and found your video. Nicely done. Really enjoyable background.
Much appreciated!
Nice video! Knowing the reasons and hardships behind the development team brought me to appreciate this game more! The styles is really great and compatible with the game you presented. It really is a great vid! I don't really like a frustrating or difficult game like dark souls (it's a great game, but it just doesn't click with me), but I love this game! The difficulties is really fair, the mechanic is great and realistic, and the narration is so memorable that it can even rival the ost on most game! Sure it's RNG heavy, but even if your luck is really bad and you get screwed, the replayability of the game is great thanks to the stage coach, being upgradable and infinite, really is helpful especially in early game when it really is more beneficial to replace heroes. You really make a nice video on one of my favorite game! Thanks again for this video, it really make me appreciate the developers more. Hope you get better recognition for this!
Thank you so much! Happy to hear you enjoyed the video :D
TIL, the Ancestor has readings of Lovecraft. LISTEN TO. THEM. ALL.
I get the angstiness over the heart attacks. They basically make the "Two Teams" approach to the game practically impossible. Losing a team member randomly while playing like that hurts a lot more for the player since you feel like really know the characters. It can also effectively end the game intstantly as you likely haven't had to upgrade the stagecoach, and have no way of training up new guys. But in the end it's for the best. If we could beat the game with 8 guys, we'd just stick with the same 2 optimized teams the entire game, and never have to really innovate or improvise. The literal army approach that's practically required thanks to heart attacks forces us to make do with sub-optimal team comps and plan ahead in our operations if we want to be able to assemble an A team.
Really good editing and a nice write-up on an interesting game. Keep going! And thanks for the entertainment in these boring times :)!
Thank you for the uplifting comment! More videos are definitely coming and I’m really excited about the next one. It’s about a game I personally adore. Stay tuned!
I bought the game this week, with all the DLCs. It was pretty cheap and I'm pretty satisfied with the game. You'll need to be patient and not binge on the game, for your own health, though. Just like Dark Souls, there are really frustrating moments in the game, when I almost literally cried. But I have to admit: the game is really well polished. Wayne June's narration really adds to your immersion, too. This game is really worth your money.
14:55 this, is also the most unique part of DD for me, a narrator that follow your journy and keep talking about every thing.
Excellent! Another channel worth subscribing and looking into! Every now and then the YT algorithm produces something I'd actually be interested in seeing, and this has been one of those times! Great work. Love your editing and style and everything about how you present information to your viewers.
Thank you so much for saying all that! I really try to make it visually interesting to watch so I’m glad people are appreciating that :D
I discovered this game in 2019, and it was love at first sight, theres no other words to discribe it I loved the art, the difficulty, the stress sistem and obviously the best narrator i've ever seen, it was the game that I was lookin for. In 2019 I didn't had too much time for games, 2020 my PC broke but I finally bought other just yesterday, I am certain that I will buy the DD2 when I get a chance (If you read it all, just know that i'm sorry if my english is terrible, I hope it's at least understandable)
your english is pretty good if you ask me
This is extremely well put together. Informative, organized, and to the point. And in some sense, entertaining. The way you tell it makes it so.
I remember rushing home to play this game the day it launched and my Steam code didn't work. I emailed Steam support but wasn't expecting a response anytime soon as it was late in the day. I took a shot in the dark emailed Red Hook to let them know what happened. Imagine my surprise when Tyler responded personally and resolved the issue at once. He got a fan for life that day!
I remember when maggots have PROT
WUT
Insanely fast maggots lol
Excellent production values! And you get the ball rolling in just a few seconds, if only more content creators were like you.
Thanks, appreciate it!
Stumbled upon your channel yesterday! Great videos and good background info and video design. Subbed. At the point where you described how and why they hired Wayne June, I think it would have been a fitting moment to insert a voiceline of the narrators text to amplify and kind of showcase their decision.
Thank you for subscribing! You’re definitely right, I’ve been sort of scared to add anything that might get me a copyright strike so I try to stay away from in-game audio. However, in this case I probably could have gotten away with it. I guess I could have even used a snippet from a trailer. I’m definitely going to try and add more relevant material in future videos. Thanks for the feedback!
@@ThatGuyGlen Nice! I think you don't need to fear copyright strikes by using trailers and it would enrich your videos (in specific situations). If you want to talk to another game design/pen and paper nerd through discord or likewise I would be up for it. Great to see a new channel on that subject beeing in the KZhead recomentations and surely growing through it!
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind! Right now I’m very busy with a ton of stuff, but perhaps if the audience grows big enough, I might set up a discord for the channel and communicate with everyone that way :D
Love the stress systems. Dude get life changing psychotic breakdowns (and a solid variety of them) every other days and pwn themselves back into sanity overnight by either getting wasted, getting laid, gambling, meditating, etc. It's like every single hero in this game has BDP.
We need people like you in the community, please do not stop making videos!
No worries, I have no intentions of quitting! This channel has become a passion project for me and there are a ton of games I want to cover so stay tuned!
Great video seems i won the algorithm roulette this time
Thank you!
this is a solid documentary, thank you for this, great insight into the technical and artistic side of the creative process. And its easy to watch and listen, great job!
Peace be with you ThatGuyGlen, Just found your channel from the Stardew Valley video, because I knew that that game was made by ConcernedApe alone and I was very curious on how he managed to create such a good game. I've also heard from Game Maker's Toolkit that some people were upset with this game because of the difficulty changes that were made, so this was definitely an interesting watch. So thank you for doing research and presenting it in a very clean and fun way. I hope you continue to make videos! Have a blessed day!
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you so much! And thank you for taking the time to watch the video, it’s much appreciated :D
Me: * has been watching a lot of dankpods lately * Also me: * reads title as dankest dungeon *
Just for laughs, Wayne June voiced a 4 second sound clip talking about the "Dankest Dungeon" in the narration outtake files.
You can turn heart attack off? Hell no, im enjoying the panic, adrenaline and sheer preassure of the high stress moments.
amazing content, glad to have discovered your channel - earned a sub
I love the claustrophobic side view, especially when walking through the dungeons. It feels like your characters are almost holding hands to stay close and watching each others backs, then when some snap it almost becomes the oposite feeling.
I've always respected the hell out of this game, moreso after learning its story. It's not the genre for me, its tone clashes starkly with what I want out of a game, but I've always really respected its vision and how well it executes it. Even having not played it myself I can tell it's worthy of all the praise it receives because it just emanates the *aura* of a well-crafted masterpiece that didn't compromise its vision. I never knew about this controversy but it's so hilariously shallow when I look at it, like, cmon, they outright added an official option for you guys even before workshop was made where someone could mod it out, why the hell are you complaining? It's sad that this is indeed why we can't have nice things. Community Moderators are definitely essential come a certain group size. You can put your foot down as the master of the project, but you really do need someone a little divorced from your direct will to actually make the shot. Slaying those spewing vitriol by yourself will just galvanize those who'd sympathize with them because they can villainize you; a moderator whose whole job is to do the dirty work disciplining dissenters may garner some anger, but when people are banned because they broke the rules, it's less likely to cause a revolt, it's their fault they did a bad. That's a situation that's got to be a little hard for some people. I know it'd be hard for me, I'd want to personally shut them down, directly defend myself. But when you're in charge of something greater than yourself like this, it's essential to realize that it's just not your place to be the sole arbiter of justice anymore, there's more important stuff you need to be doing than placating petty protestors. I'm glad they worked things out in the end, at least. ...re-reading this, how the hell did I end up with so much accidental alliteration? lol I assure you none of that was actually intentional.
You could've easily worded your comment more accesible. You're writing a youtube comment about the analogy of a certain video game development cycle, not a thesis lol
Ego tripping nonsense. Games are meant to be fun. Anything else is completely irrelevant.
@@joshuabacker2363 Nice opinion, fortunately you don't speak for everyone (BTW, the Pathologic games are fantastic).
@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 You mean Pathologic 2 is fantastic. Pathologic 1 failed because for most people it wasn't fun due to how many annoying mechanics were in it.
@@joshuabacker2363 Well, that just isn't true. Why do you think Pathologic 2 would get made or Pathologic 1 get a remaster (which has a Very Positive rating on Steam lol) if people didn't like it? You seem to assume that your taste speaks for everyone else's, when that isn't necessarily always true. Pretty fortunate judging from the awful take in your first reply. That's the kind of mindset that ensures games like Pathologic 2 wouldn't exist.
"REMEMBER OVERCONFIDENCE IS A SLOW AND A INSIDIOUS KILLER"
Very high quality videos my man. subbed :)
Thanks man and thank you for subscribing!
2 years late, but the video's presentation and usage of the DD font kept me interested throughout. Very fun, had to subscribe.
Thanks for subscribing! For some reason the KZhead algorithm is pushing this video to more people two years after the fact. Not that I'm complaining!
I didn't even know there were heart attacks in the game. Its not hard to manage stress. Just rotate heroes and de-stress.
I love this game!! Hidden gem, and the narrators voice is the best thing!! Such an awesome atmosphere in the game! Such a great story also about 2 guys making a game! The idea for the sequel sounds really cool also!
Great video. I've never even heard of Darkest Dungeon, but your commentary held my interest well enough to keep me watching the full 24+ minutes. This is the first of your videos I've encountered, but I just subscribed. I'm looking forward to checking out more from you.
Much appreciated and thank you for subscribing!
Very great videos! happy I've found this channel
Much appreciated, glad to have you!
I like hard games my Libraries are full of them but i always found Darkest Dungeon to not feel Hard but unfairly stacked against the player. This may be the intent and people clearly enjoy it but its not for me. Also i dont understand that people hate so much if play get an opinion and if its not for you well dont play it dont hate on thge vision of clearly talented developers. Great vid though you need to be more popular.
Thank you!
yea that's actually their point, it's stated on the initial disclaimer. Hard means you could still be good and win, in DD even if you're good, you just get 2 crits in a row, bleed, and boom you're dead. The point being to look at characters not only as characters in a game, it's pretty reasonable. You would never know what could happen in a dungeon filled with nasty monsters
@@TheLifeLaVita They may have intended that but the fact that a stacked rng can destroy you no matter how good or prepared you are is bad game design to me . Just my Opinion though and whoever likes is more power to them :) My thing are the hard but fair games.
Honyuu think about an action film, bad guys shoot the good guy, everybody misses the shot. But what if they hit? Well, then you would have DD. How can you call it bad game design, if you were in the dungeon fighting for your life, you would never know what could happen, nor do them. What if a powerful enemy appears? It's not a cartoon where the good guy always wins, sometimes they take a hit, and retreat. Still if you're good at DD you won't ever lose character, unless you're greedy and don't know when to stop. In your view, entering a boos fight with half HP, and having the character get paranoid because of that, is bad game design, while it's just what they wanted, reflection of the character's persona in your actions
Honyuu in less words: DD is fair, it punishes you only when you're greedy and treat your characters as numbers instead of characters. That's not bad game design, It's just like DnD's combat
What is actually an outrage is the quality of this video. The transitions are so fancy, it's so interesting. It's outrageous. Your number of subscribers is outrageous too
Very well executed presentation Glen, i enjoyed and gained a lot of insight from this video. Splendid work!
I love DD and was recommended your video. Great video quality, keep it up! You've earned a sub =D
Much appreciated and thank you for subscribing! :D
Great video. Writing your own game engine is not a trivial thing - let’s not gloss over that - using something homegrown may have been lighter weight than Unreal or Unity but also is sort of amazing, and it’s always games implemented in homegrown engines that feel nothing like any other game, because the set of easily accessible tools (let’s call it “cantrips”) for which to build/edit your game are very diff from engine to engine
I was surprised that there's so many people hating the game since it's one of the best indie game that i've played and yet they said it's tOo HaRd because of the heart attack and corpses. What they're expecting? A walk in the park with a dark story and how simple it looked because of it's gameplay? If they are, that's because they're too overconfident. As what the Ancestor said... "overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer"
You can also turn corpses and heart attacks off
Your videos are awesome, can't imagine the amount of work you put on these vids, I swear you deserve more subs. Subbed, bell-subbed, and didn't skip ad cause you deserved it! Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much! Glad you're enjoying the videos :D Working on a video about another indie title right now!
This is a very helpful look into the business side of indie game development! Subscribed!
As someone who missed all the drama at early access and only played and heard of it a month ago. I love all those difficult features and completely support the developers choices.
I am so glad that red hook is succesful. Playing Darkest dungeon (all difficulties, all dlcs)..it was a really amazing experience They nailed the feeling of...having nowhere to turn and hoping at least one hero would survive. I really dont understand these people complaining that a difficult strategy game had an update making it more difficult and strategic also. this video was amazing, very informative, well edited. also very underrated with the amount of views this work deserves more attention
Thank you for the compliments!
People also got mad when they created the stun resist buff. Originally you could just spam stuns, so as long as your character with a stun attack had at least 100% higher stun than an enemy's stun resist, you could stun them endlessly. This would make short work of a miniboss like the Collector who has a low initial stun, making his fight a joke if you have someone like a houndmaster with his blackjack move. An early access game incorporates changes; that's how they work. In a game all about making your experience as difficult as possible, having mechanics that make sense and also make things more challenging is what they needed
Wait a second. 75k for 2 people (assuming only these 2 guys were involved and nobody else) over estimated 18 months, full time. Wich makes just above 2k per month and person. Now add in electricity and other more or less minor costs, then add commercial license for a few tools, factor in the fact that they have to pay every kind of insurance for every single month themselves and still live off of whatever is left of the initial 2k dollars. Not to mention the costs of physical backer rewards. I doubt that would have worked out if they only got about their funding goal. Oh look, there also is an animator, so a 3rd person, so even less than 2k before any expenses for the 2 main developers, cool. Oh and they got a programmer as well who made the engine. I guess this cuts the "commercial license" part, at least by a bit, but adds a 4th guy to live off of the intended 75k. For 18 months. Oh there's a narroter too, so... well, you got the drill. Is it only me or does this sound like the classic "I wanna make a game, I wanna launch kickstarter campaign, but I have 0 plans on how much I could possibly need even if I ignore all game development specific factors and only think about how much money I'd need to be able to do this fulltime for the estimated development time and live off of the raised fund for that time period"-case?
The corpses actually add alot of depth to the gameplay that people dont see. For just one example, deciding what damage type to kill an enemy with (bleed/blight will leave no corpse and regular attacks will) lets you manipulate the placement of enemies so that your heroes are able to hit them with certain abilities.
I just wish it wasn't so grindy. I'm fine with it being tough and hard i just don't want to be indefinitely set back because my best healer died and the game won't roll a high level vestal. I can't run the usual suspects because the crusaders keep dying before i can level them up. Everyone is dieing of vamprism and I can't get blood because while i have high level people I can't field a functional party with them and all the quests are a high hazard. It will take hours to grind up a replacement and there is always a chance I'll just lose another high level guy while working on a replacement meaning I'm going backwards faster than advancing in any meaningful way.
Maybe change up your play style? Work with what the game gives you and see what happens.
@jonahulichny9874 Yeah, it's not like rng will cost me 6 hours of work if if the 4 randos with no healer turn out to not work well as a group. Have a few teams i was running, but with all of them down a member and / or needing stress break, i can't use any of them, and it's too big a setback to risk 4 maxed level guys trying something random like highwayman, abomination, grave robber, and antiquarian especially when tight on gold.
If the devs didnt add the option to turn off corpses and heart attacks, modders would have. So adding in the option themself, was actually a very good compromise. Listening to your community but still making the game you want to make.
damn this is such a quality video keep up the good work !!
Much appreciated, working on the next video now!
Keep going this is a good doc!
Thanks, working on the next one right now!
As someone who played before even corpses was added, i can say it didn't take me long to adapt to them. They also opened interesting mod possibilities, and leper had a corpse clear anyways. As for heart attacks, getting stressed out to the point of heart failure is always a bit of an uncomfy subject, since it's a very real problem irl, but it fit so well in with the dark and despairing tone of DD that I did not mind it at all. I never hit 200 stress anyways since I'm not terrible at the game. So all in all, awesome game, and to everyone who had to ruin the party because you got punished for playing poorly in a game that is supposed to he hard, please, grow the fuck up.
Such a good channel! U earn my respect
Thank you, really appreciate it!
Wayne June is one of those voices that make it or break it. i don't know shit about "Bastion", but Mr. Logan Cunningham's voice was so unique that i couldn't help but buy his announcer pack for Dota 2. there are people out there with unique talents, but voices? that shit is rare... even more when they know what they got and work on refining it further.
It really is a perfect example of how a good game can defeat the hate.
I didn't even know you could turn some shit like that off and to be honest i've played the game long enough, i can't play it without those features it would be too easy and boring.
great videos so far :) keep it up
Thank you!
Very interesting thank you! Also wondered what the music track is that you play at the end of your videos?
Thank you for watching it! The track is called Thank You R.G.E. by Joe Bagale.
Guys they put features I don't like but I can still disable them but I don't like them!!!!!!!!
GIVE ME ATENTION I AM RIGHT I WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THEY ADMIT THEY FUCKED UP!!! IM 13 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@kevinlopez227 HEART ATTACK BAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
KING-GALE WHY MY HERO ALSO NOT LEAVE A CORPSE!? THIS IS BULLSHIT DESIGN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The sequel OH NO NO NO
Wow, this video was great, so well researched. Instant sub
Your videos are very well made my sir!
Much appreciated!
"How Darkest Dungeon was made" Cool I'm interested. "And caused an outrage" ...Like it or hate it the political version of the word snowflake is an apt description in these situations...
A key thing this video highlights is that some sections of the gaming community are, and always will be, insufferably toxic. Don't let them get to you! Great video man
I always play with corpse and heart attacks. Literally can't think of playing the game without them.
Because they totally rebalanced the game to revolve around them, imo for the worse. Of course if you just turn them off it doesn't fix the problem because the rest of the game around them has also been changed.
I’ve only watched 2 of your videos but they are both really well researched, informative and interesting! Your voice is great too, which is a big bonus Anw, you’ve earned yourself a new subscriber! Now pls excuse me as I shall now go and binge watch all your videos
Much appreciated and thank you for subscribing! I’m glad you like my voice, because I feel super self conscious about it. Feel like I’m still struggling with getting it right, but I’m glad to hear you already like it :D
ThatGuyGle oh wow didn’t expect you to read/reply to this. This is some next level dedication! Kudos to you dude! Also, I think your voice is amazing, it’s just right for this kind of content. It really draws people in and keeps them immersed. Your content is great too. I literally just watched all your videos because they were interesting and in a way, educational. Even when I don’t know some of the games you mentioned, it was still fun to listen to you talk about them. I wish you all the best man. Here’s to hoping that more people will know about you
It’s been difficult keeping up with all the comments but I try to respond as much as possible :D glad you’re enjoying he content, that makes me really happy to hear! Comments like yours make my day and makes me want to make even better videos 👍
ThatGuyGlen ok so sorry for the late reply [I thought I posted one but I didn’t/forgot to, apparently :( ] Anw, it certainly is nice to know that you care enough about us viewer to read, like and reply to our comments but you don’t have to push yourself too hard. Relax when you need to, we subscribers aren’t gonna disappear if you take a day off or two. Good to know that my comment made you happy, I’d gladly comment even more if you need XD I’m looking forward to more great contents from you! Oh and remember, take care of yourself too Glen (I can call you that right?)
You can call me Glen yes :D After the next video is done I’m definitely going to take a tiny break and then come back strong with more videos!