Mention McLaren and very quickly someone will mention reliability - but is it justified?
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If I was ever fortunate enough to be able to buy one of these cars I would be on the phone to this bloke before I spent a penny he quite obviously literally knows them inside out. 🤘😎🤘🇬🇧
Exactly - makes sense when you're spending a big sum of money. You get a house survey right?
@@TABonTVExactly 👍
He's a car salesman! He's never gonna tell you how cr@p these things are! "Of course they're reliable" As for his reviews/experience with Vauxhall, there have been hideous reviews for this guy, to the point where I wouldn't bother with him. If you want to throw bad money after good, and go against the mountain of owner based testimonials to the contrary, go ahead!
i would never choose one over a ferrari if i was able to spend that amount of money, even rather a v12 vantage over any mclaren
Very much agree. It's an absolute delight to encounter somebody who not only knows what they're talking about, but a highly objective ability to express it. If I was CEO of McLaren, I'd insist on having this guy on the board. I utterly despise arrogance in business.
Need a 6-month update, this gentleman is so well-spoken and comes across so honest, he's a breath of fresh air.
There have been LOTS of cases here in the U.S. where manufacturers will come up with excuses to deny warranty work and you have to sue them. It's become a big problem. This is across the board, not limited to any one brand of car.
Need to hold them to account!
But it seems more costly with these cars.
Manufacturers are denying warranty for cars that have mods done. Never heard of any issues with stock vehicles.
Including Ferrari
@@executiveinvestments at least in America, it's illegal to deny warranty just because of mods. Only can deny due to mods only if the mods are responsible for the failure.
It's not just the reliability, it's the over production and lack of dealer support when you come to sell them. They depreciate like a brick off a tower block!
Show me these depreciated Mclarens
@@Rudenbehr they depreciate when you sell them, then the dealer bumps it back up, had one for 4 moths brand new, put 16k miles on it, sold it for a GT black series, lost quite a bit on the 720s, then i looked back and the dealer had listed it for almost as much as i bought it for.
@@nickfila2208 that's what dealers do! They make 17.5% of sticker price for every new sale! When you buy it's all positives. Right model, right spec, right colour/interior combo. Then when you come to sell well, things have moved on, fashions change. Second user cars aren't selling, interest rates have sky rocketed! Their prime objective is to sell new cars! Very few second hand ones. If they do they are kept separately. Often they swap brands within group to make their showroom more interesting! What that means is, if saw one just like the brand spanker you were about buy. Just 24months old & you saw the sticker price! You would never buy the new one!!! 20%VAT gone. New car Tax gone. No longer new but used! So, you'd think it would lose 1%/month? You do the math, it is frightening!
@@nickfila2208sounds like you got scammed
@@Jonnybarbs took it to multiple different dealers and it was the same thing throughout pretty much, they just arent worth much in terms of resale.
My issue is not so much the reliability but the fact that repairs are seriously expensive. If I can afford to fix an unreliable car then great but if the windshield cracks and the company wants $6000 for a piece of glass that should cost me no more than $500 that is silly.
Have had 2 McLaren's (12c and 720) and never had any issues, before and after mods, over 6 year span. Had 2 - 997 turbos and those were quite finicky to tune. Had a 991.2 TTS tuned by ByDesign on 100 octane and that ran great. That being said, the 720 on 100 octane will dust on that same model year 991.2 turbo w same mods. I have the data Dragy info from previous runs. But from firsthand experience, Mclaren's have been good so far with proper maintenance and care.
I'm wondering, how often did you drive the McLarens, and how many miles did you have on them?
@@bob808 the 12c owned for 5 years, bought it with 9k miles/2 years old, drove it about 2500-3000 total. Fun/hard driving. The 720 had for two years now. Car only has 2200 miles so far so not too much but often enough.
Lucky...
@@primeconst had a 720s for 4 moths and put 16k miles on it, took it to 200+mph more times than i can count, car went to shit very quick, it had a problem the dealer and woking couldnt fix so i swapped it for GT black series
Friend has coolant leak, high temp, catalytic sensor errors, and other issues all under 40k so yeah unreliable imo
Great content! Super knowledgeable dude, could listen to him talk for hours.
Yeah, was very interesting!
I believed the two exotic car rentals in Las Vegas. Both said, they buy new Mclaren for rental business. As soon as the Mclaren reached 5,000 miles, they basically resale it. The reason? because of reliability and liability expense to their rental business. One reason I chicken out buying Mclaren and bought a 2021 ACURA NSX instead.
That's a fine choice. Honda reliability too.
That's weird. I'm in vegas and there's an exotic rental here with a blue 600LT that has 25k miles on it.
Just drove a 16 570S and I’m on the fence about trading in my 17 R8 plus. This was very informative and the gentleman were very well spoken. Ty for all the insight. I love my R8 and it’s a very hard decision to trade out.
Thanks for the comments, I would say if you're still on the fence after a test drive probably just stick with the R8...
Just traded my r8 for a 570s, I love it
A true expert and seemingly a lovely bloke as well. Great interview!
So, McLaren is responsible for their poor reliability reputation and terrible resale value. In my opinion, their engineering and R&D is second to Porsche. This was a great interview and I wish there are service groups like Thorny Motor Sports located located near every McLaren owner.
Thanks. I would agree, but I think the more meticulous you get the more you can erode the fun. This is why McLarens are such a joy to drive.
Yet Porsche have produced the same cake mix for 80 years, McLaren are a very young mainstream manufacturer, ide say McLaren are a far superior car to Porsche and will surpass very quickly once you get past the boring old British way of bashing the British.
@@sresto7943 The 911 has evolved into one of best under $300K. 911 is as reliable as hammer. If I had to depend on one with my life...Porsche.
Porsche is a mainstream manufacturer, McLaren is a boutique manufacturer. Porsche operates at a much bigger scale, with a lot more engineering resources to lean on. But as far as R&D and technology, McLarens generally have more exotic and innovative technology in their cars than Porsche. There's not one carbon fiber chassis in Porsche's lineup now or ever. None of the Porsches have hydraulic sway bars or a deployable airbrake. Porsche still innovates but they're more about honing known solutions to eke out more performance. That approach tends to reduce technical risk but it improves profitability and it allows them to keep delivering the experience their customers expect.
@@GVIrish Improving on excellent reliable features makes for an extremely reliable and competent products. Honing perfection at a reasonable price yielding excellent performance.
IMO no brand makes better looking high performance cars than McLaren. At least twice annually, I look up videos like this one, hoping to hear, their issues have been resolved. At the end of every review, I decide to stay with the Porsche 911.
Fair enough - but Porsche aren't without their issues too. IMS / 991.1 GT3 rod bolts / 718 rods etc. It's how a brand puts things right which counts.
Porshes are extremely boring and overpriced. Nothing exotic about them at all.
@@TheHomeExpert5you’ve never owned or tracked a GT3. You never see a Ferrari on the track their owners can’t drive. The GT3 is the most balanced fun to drive exotic out there and it’s completely reliable. In my opinion McClarens are getting boring too. They all look the same. I’d take a P1 but all the rest look like their made from plastic
@@TABonTV991.1 didn't have IMS issues, it was 996.
@@TheHomeExpert5...if your goal is to show off, then the 911 is not for you. 911's are for the enthusiast
Great video. This guy sure knows his McLarens. Fascinating.
As a former factory-trained Honda mechanic, I can say from all the McLaren repair videos I've seen, their car's mechanicals are incredibly complex.
Yes I can believe you,though I guess that the engine is not that complex : in essence no big deal for an experienced repairshop specialised in high end sport cars.What's your vantage about engine mantainence ?
It's race car made road legal.
@@kevinburke6743 I guess that body and chassis repairs can be even more challenging than merely mechanical issues on this car.Of course,whenever getting the owner of any McLaren,you must afford a no expense spared relationship at highest levels with your beloved car.This is the real problem eventhough a preowned MP4 12 can be relatively good priced on the market.
It's not just a honda civic though is it
Sensible man. Talks at length about McLarens yet drives home in a Porsche! 🙂
Don't hear sensible used around me very often😆
I have driven/owned/traded classic and modern sportacars for 50 years and in that time have driven most, but I find little excitement or desire to own a McLaren. The prospect of huge losses and stroppy manufacturer washed away any desire years ago.
My friend owned a 650S, had trouble from day one with the transmission. After many tries, and actually flying a specialist from England, it could not be fixed, he Lemon lawed the car.
McLaren by itself is a lemon.
My friend...lolz
This was a brilliant video! There needs to be more actual fact like this on social media.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏻
As per the experts experience. He says 20% of cars that come through his garage require expensive maintenance, above the average service of £600.
Exactly. Isn't that a lot actually? I mean they receive good care there. This man does give me the impression that it's all in your hands. But I am curious about the conventional failures like windows not opening, car won't start, door won't open or radio won't play.
The problem is that some of the customers that buy these cars don't maintain them or let them sit and allow the battery to run down. It isn't the same customer bases as Ford or Toyota.
@@sanglemalttrue.. people don't drive them. Drive the car just for show or status, nothing else. Ours gets driven daily. Has to be maintained good.
@@DzasterNL I agree. I have 105k km on my 2019 600LT - it has been fine. As reliable as any German car I’ve had in the past. But more fun. I don’t worry about battery issues because it is driven almost daily.
@sanglemalt oh, that's alot in sportscar terms. Ours is on 32k km's now. Don't hold back with making some km's on it. Although we get to drive around 7-8 thousand km's a year. Not that much at all. Aren't you afraid the value drops alot with these km's on it?
A lot of this resonates with me after owning an f type. So many problems, oil pressure checking is a nightmare, my engine needed replacing, the bonnet vents let water in and cause engine block corrosion, so many things overlooked when they made the car . It must be a British manufacturer thing that they cut corners, same with Aston martins
I just purchased the 570gt with a full carbon kit fitted, upgraded exhaust etc… The water pump went within several hours of owning the car, however that said… I adore the car! The way I see it, you’re not a true McLaren owner until you’ve experienced an issue with owning one of these instruments of speed. Considering myself no longer a Mcvirgin. I am looking forward to digging deeper into the potential things that can / could go wrong with the car and what upgrades / precautions I can take to avoid them. Your advice has been greatly appreciated, thank you! Hopefully I can make a trip to come and see you and the team soon! P.s my first car was the glorious AstraMartin, loved my VXR.
Thanks for the comments and sorry to hear about your pump! Relatively minor so hopefully you'll get lots of enjoyment from it now!
@@TABonTV update: had the new water pump installed and cannot express how many smiles I’ve enjoyed in this fantastic machine, nearly added 3,000 s/miles to the odometer and counting 😅🙌 Would love to hear your thoughts on the Vorsteiner rear diffuser and if I should add a carbon bonnet and replace the standard one that’s already on it, or too much carbon?
@@user-cs3bj5hf4p it really depends how far you want to go with it, both those parts would be quite a big investment. The diffuser does look pretty good though!
McLaren's I think are probably relatively reliable if you put a decent effort into maintaining them and take them to someone who knows what they're doing. Looking forward to seeing McLaren sort out their problems and move forward. It seems that McLaren could make their lives alot better rather easily.
Regardless of how good a car is, I wouldn’t support any company who is arrogant and has contempt for there customers when there are alternatives. Unless they change their attitude to customers and independent dealers, they deserve to fail.
Ferrari reportedly sue people for modding their cars. Do feel the same about Ferrari?
This probably applies more to Porsche lately. Go to a dealership and ask to buy a a GT3 or turbo S.
Very interesting episode 🍻👏👏
Gear box oil leaks were a real issue on the 12C I wonder if that's been sorted?
My 2019 570S Spider has been a joy to own but I've been lucky. Not without issues, mind you, but a car generally that has issue free. My car is looked after by McMedics/SuperCar Garage but if I lived in the UK, Thorney would be my go to.
Great to read a positive experience. I think far more are lucky than unlucky, you just don't always hear it!
How many miles have you put on it? How many in total
@@MB-uw8xb I have 89xx miles in total. So far, so good.
@@mgrmln for a second I thought you meant 89,XXX lol I was about to say that’s very impressive
Excellent video! Thanks for all the information. I’m super confident in picking up McLaren sometime soon.
Hope it goes well, I'm pretty confident you'll LOVE it!
I have had and still own Ferrari, Porsche, Lotus, Aston and McLaren…. The one car I’ve earmarked as a “keeper” is my 570 spider. Now into 4th year of ownership and near perfect…. Basically my wife will not let me sell it. 🤨
Very good to hear this - a decent ownership experience is possible!
Owned a 12c too. Can’t get better performance than a mclaren without going into extreme high values. I’d definitely own one again however I’d need deeper pockets for it. It’s a hassle to own because it does have more issues than competing supercars and a niche dealer market. Hard to find local shops which means you’re forced to over pay on parts and service as well. I’ve had Scottsdale quote me 20-30% more than mclaren Beverly because mclaren Beverly has a close by competing dealer in San Diego whereas Scottsdale is 400 miles away from them.
A 911 gt3 will run with any car out there and not break down. It’s not expensive compared to others and it’ll run all day long. And with its perfect suspension it will run with cars that have 150 more hp. See the Z06
The problem in America is what happens when they need repair or service. Dealers far away, few qualified independent shops, parts very long to get, prices very high. So anything that comes about is a pain to deal with. Its magnified.
Depends on your location. All major cities have McLaren dealers 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
@@RudyC24 Vegas just opened one. So yes, its improving. Before that all Macs had to be trucked to Newport Beach.
@@tqmeone I’m in Boston, MA so I’m spoiled w/ all the car manufacturers 😬😬
A wonderful video with superb content !
Glad you enjoyed it!
I grew up where the McLaren F1 was my favorite car. I've seen at least 1000 drag races between stock cars and I've seen at least three Mclarens fail to complete the race. That's more than any other brand that I recall. I'm sure there wasn't any science behind what I watched, but it was what stuck out. It was always an electrical code. Nothing blew up, but the electronics were awful.
F1 is still my favourite car...
The F1 is barely related to the modern McLaren
@@RayNLA True
@@TABonTV It's still one of my favorites, also. The newer Mclarens are very different, though. The F1 was the last McLaren that I truly loved. I'm sure other people have a different opinion, though.
@@RayNLAtrue, but considering how many people will remember the flaws in the car’s electrics, it would be easy to see why people would bring up “reliability issues”, stuff like that sticks. Especially when the cars are super expensive as they are.
Interesting video, thank you. McLaren are way out of my budget, but I am a true petrol-head, and I wouldn't criticise a McLaren or their owners simply because I can't afford one so slag them off through jealousy. I have worked in the motor trade for many years though, and have seen some build quality issues with McLaren cars, things like panel gaps are embarrassing for such an expensive vehicle. If I could afford one, I wouldn't buy one, Porsche for me thank you.
But they're soooo much fun to drive!
@@TABonTV Yes I can imagine they are (never driven one personally). I'd still have a 911 Turbo S instead for 200 grand without a second thought.
why didn't they touch upon how movable the panels and pillars are that shouldn't be?? cosmetically the exterior with nothing mechanical is subpar... i think nowadays even kia and hyandai beat mclaren.
I am so glad I gave back my Mclaren 570 with 1800 miles. Within 12 months I have 23 issues!! This brand needs to stop producing cars and file for bankruptcy.
Beautiful garage! Business must be great! 🤔
Common McLaren/570 S problems windshield cracking for no reason, key fob stops working for no reason, door latch breaking ,window stops rolling down .build quality with exterior panel gaps and rusty bolts, exhaust bolts coming loose, overtime,interior rattling and squeaking, entertainment system freezing up.All problems you don’t want experience in a six-figure car.😅
Forgotten anything there? 😆 To be fair I didn't have a single one of those on mine, except the iris system freezing
Wow I’ve heard of that a lot maybe some brands do it intentionally. They press a button to make the windshield crash I know a few peoples who have had this as well
@@undergroundriptiles7005 I heard it happens because they made the windshield too thin for weight reduction and the carbon chassis is too rigid so it doesn’t let the glass flex so it cracks when you hit small dumps or holes 🕳️
Great video. The thorny warranty has a max single payout of £10k. I would be interested to know how often that limit is breached.
Thanks, from what I hear it's very unlikely that would be breached... You'd probably need a grenaded bottom end to get there.
he's a very intellectual mechanic
Valuable upload thanks for your review. Just I'd like to know whether this engine could be suffering overheating issues in daily driving on the heavily trafficked roads in southern France with pretty warm temperature and,sadly,frequent stop and go driving.That's pretty much a critical condition for some sportcars. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Thanks. From my experience they are very good with heat - they test them in Arizona! Plenty of ventilation round the engine and lots of cooling.
@@TABonTV Thanks for your answer Sir !
what's your opinion on a 570GT with sub 10k miles? (8k miles) i've been told they are reliable but buying at that mileage range there can be plentiful issues for it to be sold so low its a 2018 model not 2017 that others have said to stay away from too
Love my 650s! Had a rare MSO Project Alpha 12c coupe before. Both 0 issues. Both 23k+ miles
Great to hear this!
Really enjoyed that, just nipping outside to check my oil level!
Thanks! It's important. 😆
What a timely viewing that was, after holding the accelerator for 120 seconds the oil level was off the bottom. One litre of oil later all good. That’s on a 6 month old 720 Spider. Possibly the most valuable you tube video I’ll ever watch!
Nine months into a 2021 720 spider. Only issue has been one error message to do with rear aero, disappeared after engine restart. Car always driven carefully until warmed up. It has been faultless and nothing can touch it. Love it and will be buying further McLaren over time!
Glad you're enjoying the 720s - awesome cars right!?
@@TABonTV it is absolutely mental. Love it to bits. Never stop smiling! My wife hasn’t got used to the attention/videos etc as we drive. With the roof down, the sound is even brilliant. Not as raw as our v10 r8, but great in a different way. I couldn’t imagine what to buy after the 720. With unlimited money, perhaps a 765, but even then, marginal gains. That said, check out the 765 in faded paint at Manchester mclaren. Would sell a kidney for that
@@davidm793 Fantastic stuff! These are the ownership experiences we love hearing about!
Always ignore the errors, they will clear themselves and are false positives. 'key not found' 😂
Most people say they’re not reliable the majority. One person doesn’t change that. Then there’s issues with them.
Most people who've never owned one
Bloody excellent discussion - I'd buy a car off him now!
Appreciated!
I think the depreciation on these cars says it all.
Nothing speaks to the worth of its value like it’s new price vs it’s 3-5 year resale price. Your exactly correct
Was watching other McLaren owners videos and it's virtually one horror story after another. 1500 dollar batteries. Unbelievably expensive repairs. Saw one video on a McLaren/Benz that was owned by Paris Hilton and after 20000 miles, the car needed $56000 in repairs and maintenance. Yikes!
I think you guys have more pain with McLaren repairs in the USA - less options. In the UK we have some pretty good indies. Reality, most supercar brands at that level are pretty demanding...
I wish you were more specific with things but having said that and in spite of that, i have picked up on some things ive found of use AND make sense. Oil! I remember that from my old Audi. There was a lot of debate on that and someone whose driven all the exotics said, theyre all like that. People dont know? Goodbye motor- sealed or not. I have a theory on the oil consumption that isnt brand specific. Youve got a block with a +3 oxidation number that acts like a catalyst. Youve got at least 85% volumetric efficiency on those engines. That oil breaks down, out the pipe it goes. So in amticipation of things, i figure assume as much with any maclaren or exotic. Launch? New? Cold? No engine break in? Well duh? Lol. I do appreciate the cam exolanation. I can see where youd have excess oil on the cam in that situation. Below 180F engine temp? Cold flow? That makes sense. Tires and nitrogen. Are you saying even if you either had your own nitrogen setup or a shop that has as much, you cant tell what your tire pressures are or am i confused? I have heard from elsewhere that part of annual service is changing the gearbox fluid. The content crestor calls it a rip off but i kinda see the logic with that. Is that gearbox fluid change out of engine service or it depends? Im guessing by design and given how they can be driven, things are engineered accordingly and those fluids dont last as long, ergo annual service, change that too. Yes? How in hell do you knock a coil out of alignment? That shot? Did you jump the road at 150 or something? That takes some serious momentum for that. Seeing how its misaligned, it looks like someone was hauling ass and hit a crater, went forward, that gave. Do you have any idea on that? From what youre saying, some of these thing are inline with what another youtuber and owner said. People abuse those things, and dont look into the upkeep. Then youve got some mechanics that on something like that? Its easy to assume and thier arguments of whats right and wrong that back thier "fixes" say theyve got no idea how or why that car is engineered like it is. Ergo, dealer or comparable. Thx.
Yep, John talks a lot of sense. Very interesting!
@@TABonTV He seems to be objective too. That's a plus and ironically how one of the commentators said, there are those that just bash a brand for whatever reason. I figured that might be some of it. I'm scrolling along as I'm interested in this latest model. Someone comes out saying how the new 750 is maclarens greatest failure and everything thats wrong with the company is in that car. 😳 It's been out for maybe a month or so? That's overly harsh for anyone to say about any car maker. As soon as I saw that, I thought to myself, that point has just been illustrated. Overall, ive heard of a guy in Texas that's got a lemon for whatever reason. It's a 720S I think. Out of the blue shortly before that, I came across someone saying how unreliable those things are. Some of the replies to that thread amongst others say that they'd consider Maclaren to be the Honda of super cars with reliability. That's a tall statement-even if it's factual, it says a lot about the car maker. I came across one younger kid with a short saying what the upkeep is on a 720S. He cited the brake rotors for 20k if you need to replace one. Key phrase-if you need to replace it. People don't understand that given its carbon ceramic, it's quite unlikely you'll ever have that issue to begin with. Secondly, it's easy to say it's a rip off when you don't understand it takes 6 months or so in a furnace to crystallize those things. When he said part of the service includes changing the gearbox oil. How one gets to said gearbox? 🥴 That might be pricey. The fact you need to change that annually? I'm guessing it's a thinner fluid for one, secondly heat. Nobody explains these things. I'm glad after seeing this, I at least have certain insight as to where to start to look into those things. After seeing this? I can see the F1 technology evolve to something more feasible in those things. That explains some of the why too. I'm guessing in the way these things are engineered, most of the specs there, do's and don'ts evolve around hot specs. Yes? After the counter rotational cam tidbit, I said...i think I see. Lol.
For someone who’s in the market for a 570s spider this is what I needed! Thank you
Amazing cars, best of luck with the search!
Seen a red 570s spider driving around Norwich airport area today,the 570s looks amazing in spider form.. hope you fine one soon👏👏👏
@@HANNON1066 thank you! Agreed the spider looks better I think! Just waiting for the right spec
Lamborghinis are more unreliable if it breaks get ready too pay 250k for the aventador in damages from the inside engine for example
Can you explain how he says the 720 Coupe was the worst car produced, then later a subtitle says 720s are currently a good value. Is he saying they are the lowest priced on preowned market Because they have poorest reliability?
Referring to early 720s which seemed to have a bigger share of problems. Later years were better.
@@TABonTV thank you ♠️
Which years? 2019 and up or just the most recent
Check out the price of a McLaren warranty vs Porsche, Aston, Lamborghini, etc……………
A broken spring? Broken SPRING?? Even Model T Fords don't break springs. It isn't just the exotic things associated with the car that are infuriating. No car built in the last 50 years should ever break a spring unless it fell off a truck.
My Merc broke 2. They can corrode and break. Also I think the model T had leafs.
showcase the high mileage cars, would love to see an interview with the roughneck living in Spain
Would be good for a follow up!
What's are your thoughts on a 2015 or 2016 650S? I heard him say the 675LT has been the best built Mclaren from the get go, but I'm looking more into an affordable 650s convertible.
675LT still seems to be the one right now and values reflecting that... Could be one to watch 📈 Key thing is whichever one you go for, get it checked by a pro! You'd get a survey on a house, no different to a car at this level. Good luck! 👍🏻
Same car 90%. Everyone says the 650s/675lt are the best. I love my 650s 23k only one hose failed $12 locally and 3 hours time. No big deal.
I'm a owner, they are reliable if maintained properly, I have mine 3 years now.
which one and how many miles have you put on it
LOL: Did you see the DDE guys customising their McLaren - had issues with adjustable suspension - McLaren wouldn't let dealer touch it. So they were left having to rip out suspension - causing issues so car will be either road or track focused. Couldn't have best of both worlds any more.
Admire the candor but not sure his business partner will truly appreciate this piece
Porsche for me, every time!
Insider info right here. No joke word for word from an executive there. “All of our cars are shit, don’t buy” “British” ahahahah
Hoping to take my VXR later on in the year for a tune, I don't think I will want to leave with all these McLarens coming and going. 3:16 If I could afford a 12C I'd want a FAB Design Terso body kit, that thing looks mean! Great vid Tab! Very informative
Thanks, and great spot on that 12C hidden in there!
What’s a VXR?
@@Fluterra it's Vauxhall/Opel's performance variant.
@@larssonk22 I think that's an oxymoron! Seriously - what does that have to do with McLaren??
@@Fluterra oh I see the confusion, Thorney specialize in Vauxhall performance vehicles as well, I think that's how they started out ( along with BMWs). I haven't rewatched the video but I thought John mentioned that. Take a look at what they do on their website.
One would hope future models will have oil level/age datalogging, because if you cannot see how the car has been treated historically, you cannot make an informed decision when buying second hand. You sit down, check the current oil level but have no idea how it was yesterday, last week, last month. Your only clue is that ticking sound from the cams. Caveat emptor unt la dolce vita.
I got my Audi R8 V10 the same time as my friends got there McLarens. My car only ever just gone in for a service I've had it 2 years no problem. There McLaren's always in the workshop. Engine light's coming on. Not starting ect..
The R8 is a solid car, that V10 has been around since the gallardo days so it's well proven by now.
I didn't hear a word of what was said. I just spent 26mins looking at that hair cut.
True dedication
refreshingly honest!
Is it not minimum 6 months warranty on a used car sale ??
Not a warranty per se but consumer rights act
Whats the safe HP limit for 570s?
If you want to buy something to tune, advice would be to get something else.
Funny how most of the negative comments were from people who never had McLaren🙄.Most or the comments from people who actually Had A McLaren Was Positive..I have 911 Turbo now but want move to McLaren, this was very informative video🎸
My father wants thesame... just don't want big costs... he knows what he can expect from Porsche... it's his 4th Porsche now... drove a Ferrari but it had big problems... Could you please let me know what your decision will be and why and how you've come to that?
8 out of 10 cars are fine, but those 2 out of 10 cars per week... definitely would be my car with a $40k bill.
At 10:00, he mentions needing to "keep track of your oil level", as though this is an acceptable, 'normal' problem with a modern, 21st-century engine! This is lunacy! How much extra BHP could you Possibly get from counter-rotating cams, On A Street Car? In a pure racing design, where every horsepower matters - sure. On a street-car, with a warranty(!), that is simply insane. Turning up the turbo boost 1 or 2 percent (like every other manufacturer!) is a sane way to make more power (hello, Porsche...) - refusing to correct obvious, systemic problems like this, is flatly offensive.
Not that bad at all .. if you compair it with the build quality !
Sports cars have always been expensive to buy and maintain. They sacrifice reliability for performance. That is why the hot-hatch market came into existence XR3i…
I do like a hot hatch. Own a Renault 5 GT Turbo.
Aston Martin> McLaren
I have a GT never had a problem with it so love it , use Maclaren Glasgow and they have been nothing but great , ive spoken to John on the phone for over an hour have to say great guy . just get one and enjoy it , if you can't afford it get a Toyota 😁
Amen to that!
@@TABonTV lol
How many miles on your gt, sir?
MR2>any McLaren
@@headinthekloudz ive done 4000 miles now
Say what?? 14:23 How exactly can you over-rev a McLaren? Or is he referring to hanging on the rev limiter for too long?
I can check but most likely cars that have been modified
Idc what anyone says, i should not HAVE to check engine oil every 3 WEEKS…
It's a part of owning a performance car. My E92 M3 seemed to want more oil than fuel.
McLarens unjustified snobbery if there cars where that good in the first place they would not break down, Lexus can make a car that can do a million miles no problem that's engineering to be proud of not a carbon fibre spoiler
Initial build quality is the worst. Gaps and janky doors on a 720S.
Great info here as I have my eye on getting a McLaren in the near future! Cheers
Glad it was helpful!
The biggest deterrent is competition. The mclaren doesn't offer the exact prestige of ferrari or lamborghini so they rely on looks and performance. The look of the mclaren in my opinion is the best of the exotics, but I can get the same or better performance from a porsche turbo and get better reliability and parts and service aren't nearly as costly. The bottom line is mclaren has looks but looks fade.
I'd still say a McLaren is more fun than a Porsche. Far more engaging...
Owned both and def agree Porsche builds a better car, but fun factor goes to Mclaren by far.
I remember I got to sit in a 600 LT at cars and coffee and the owner showed me the steering wheel and center console falling apart where the carbon fiber was attached. It was like it was being held on by Elmers glue.
Yep, that's not ideal...
can you daily the 570 if you are not going to drive it like a lunatic?
I test drove two brand new cars: 720 and 570 - both had issues during the test drive. Then read the forums and heard so many horror stories - No thanks! British reliability overall is not great! Why be surprised that McLaren is not great??
And it's even even easier if the little light never does come on to start with DUH
Makes tesla model s plaid seem like a dream car haha
I recently a week ago had a very good 👍 chat with a very wealthy guy in his 60's & he has owned plenty of Lamborghini's & Ferrari's & his Advice 2 me should l ever have the Funds 2 purchase a Super Car was this . 👍 Stay away from both of these brands . Stick with a Porche he said & l said OK . What about a Audi R8 & his response was just sensational 👌 McLaren Road Cars r as poor as there F1 Race Cars 😅😅😅 My choice would be Audi R8 . Porsche. Ultima Evolution. Corvette C7 . BAC Mono . 4 Go fast vehicles.
Damon you YSOB sheet wanted to see that last 2 seconds extra
Honest... my father has a 2016 911 now.. maybe he wants to trade it in for a mclaren 540c... it is a daily car with around 8000km's a year... He can drive mine when he is driving short distances, no problem... Trade it in and drive his new dream car or stay with the Porsche that always was his dreamcar?
Life is for trying new things. I wouldn't go 540c though, 570s would be the one.
@@TABonTV why wouldn't you choose the 540c? I see the 570s has keramic brakes etc.. as a daily that are lot of costs extra for example...
@@DzasterNL Don't be put off by ceramic brakes. They'll last the lifetime of the car and far better feel. Also 570s has a better used market.
@TABonTV after 6 months of owning a 540c now, (yes the 540c has been the one, not much to choose from out here and all the specs were like we wanted it). Thing is great, definitely something different. Heads turning and people are really enthusiastic. Only good vibes. Now when the summer comes in I wonder what's coming up. No issues yet. These cars don't been driven daily, this one is. I think the engine running and this thing being driven makes it more reliable then people driving 2k km's a year and give it full throttle when coming out of the garage...
What. Are the 765lt's like in comparison to the rest of mclarens
Still have their quirks but they're well looked after at that level
@@TABonTV I was siding at the gt2rs 911 and was conscious Deringer the 765lt instead, I may go view 1 before I make the choice
The head of a McLaren dealer got stuck in his own car. Why are these cars always driven so slowly???
Anyone got experience with the reliability of the GT? That's the one for me!
Drove one last week. The 2023 GT is light years better than the 2020. You wouldn’t believe they are even the same car. If anyone drives a 2020 GT and then the 2023 GT they’ll never buy a 2020. So different.
Yeah, but just a "little" difference in cost. I can afford the 2020...not the 2023. @@RudyC24
Surely people with major problems are going go back to McLaren and get that work done under warranty? 🤔 And people will well running cars are going to go to indies for cheaper servicing? 🤔 Supercars aren't Honda Jazzes. They are complex cars (often getting on a bit of bought on a budget) and will have issues that crop up. Porsches have a ton of issues. Heck, their engines have been blowing up for decades now. And they aren't even "supercars.." I don't think many would be brave enough to drive a McLaren without a warranty. Then again, I wouldn't even take a 458 without a proper dealer warranty. 🤷🏻♂️
People who put big miles on these cars are the exception. Most of these cars probably see two thousand miles or less a year. This company makes F1 cars, where one piston costs 50k, so they have no simpathy for people who complain about the cost of parts or service. They know you must deal with them, one way or another. Cheers
McLaren automotive are a completely different part of the group and the engines are made by Ricardo
McLarens are beautiful. But their build quality is so questionable. I considered a 570S but ended up purchasing a Porsche 991.2, GT3. After a few years, it seems like a good decision.
I agree 1000%. I looked at a McClaren after 2 GT3s but as I researched and looked at the resale price, I went back to another GT3
And the eletronics 🤷♂️
Most of the “issues” are due to low battery. Keep the car on a charger and you will rarely experience any issues.
@@kinosgarage and getting stuck outside the car because it doesn't detect the key even though both have battery?
'Near' Brackley
ish
@@TABonTV True. My parents live just up the road in the local village
Modification, unsympathetic driving, none dealer servicing and a few bad cars repeatedly sold to new owners without being fixed.
A number of points raised in this video are simply not true. I've owned my MP4 for 8 years. I've put 60,000kms on it. My engine was blowing blue smoke on start up intermittently. The car was still under warranty when I bought it. McLaren replaced the engine. When the car was 5 years old, McLaren Sydney spotted corrosion on the bonnet lip. They replaced the bonnet, no questions asked. Although the engine has been replaced, my car has not missed a beat throughout my ownership period. The car is serviced religiously by the Sydney dealer. I would recommend a McLaren to anyone. For the price of my car and the performance it delivers, nothing is in the ball park.
Good to hear it, my ownership experience was generally very positive too. They're fantastic cars.
Don't know whether to laugh or cry! Get onto KZhead and note how many videos show McLarens burning to the ground, along with Lambos and Ferraris. I've had my 996 turbo for 21 years. It has 76,000 miles on it, goes 192 mpg if you can find enough road for that, gets 26 mpg at 70 mph on the cheapest gas you can put into it thanks to its knock sensor, oil change recommendation is 15,000 miles (though I do it every other year), has zero rattles, perfect panel gaps and a windshield is $650 at any car glass replacement company on the planet. Porsche has its own issues, mainly are-you-kidding-me prices for options, but they have something that the exotics have never seemed to achieve: when you turn the key in the ignition, they actually run. All the time, at -15 deg-F or 110 deg-F, and there are literally hundreds of qualified mechanics around the U.S. who can repair them if they ever need repair. Like Ferrari owners, McLaren owners simply cannot admit that they made a quarter-million dollar mistake. Sure, they are OK if "properly cared for." But "properly cared for" means "worked on all the time" at exorbitant prices."
You've got a Mezger engine in that, super reliable. I hear you but try driving a McLaren and let me know which is more fun...
I'd like to see the senna or 765 Lt beat up the nurburgring times but I think they don't because they either know its going to be easy or they don't want them going bang. I'd like to think the first choice is right...
I'm sure it'd get round easy. One out with me at Silverstone recently didn't miss a beat all day.