When Ubuntu came on the scene in 2004, it made desktop Linux viable to many with its ease of use and friendly layout. Instead of constantly improving this and becoming the “King of All Distributions” it took a very different path. While I still use Ubuntu server with some caveats, I will NOT use Ubuntu Desktop.
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it snaps !
Hi Chris, can you please make an Odysee channel? I prefer to watch videos off of KZhead. You can set it up so that it automatically mirrors everything you upload to your KZhead channel.
Ubuntu had the best OS until Gnome 3, They threw out the prefect Linux distro and started over. They completely failed. I have not used any distro that uses Gnome 3/ Unity crap. Would rather use windows, and I can not stand windows. If they never started over we would be main stream now. Now Manjaro is basically following the same path of destruction.
Thanks again for making this video. I thought the article had great content. And you did briefly talk about Ubuntu desktop versus server OS, which is something many do not understand.
@@garyjenkins7861 I have no problem with Gnome 3, as it still is oriented for using keyboard and not click around. And the defaults in Gnome is still way better then KDE, for instance. KDE really need to snap up on their defaults to be usable for beginners (AND thus get more users). That is the single reason why I still prefers Gnome before KDE, every day of the week.
Fun fact: Snap is indeed so bad, a former canonical employee made a script to replace it with flatpak packages While the official statement says the script is not intended to be taken that way, it's clear in between the lines The repo is (popey/unsnap)
Not just any Canonical ex-employee, but Alan Pope himself, who was the guy in charge of promoting Snap. Make of that what you will.
Looking in my /snap folder - there is only Spotify I use. So no issue to me. Ubuntu is fine visually and seems fast and stable to me.
@Fashinqu A. Google? First result should be Popey's github repo titled unsnap.
Thanks will check that out. I use Ubuntu (what I know) but with manual flatpak installation of pretty much all I use. I still fall back on their stability as a noob. Happy that they finally brought up wayland, but still exploring fedora and cent os; regardless, thanks for info as it may save me hugh headaches in future.
@@andrewnorris5415 Yep this is the only app I install via snap There needs to be a easier way to get standardized linux
Thank you, Chris. For me, as someone who was involved (not employed) in the community, everything that brought me to Ubuntu with Warty Warthog was slowly dropped by Mark and Canonical. I know that convergence was his real goal and once that was dead his interest in the desktop faded.
It really feels like it all died when the edge failed…. Looking back I feel like they expected one or two big industry players to match the massive community support and get the thing to launch, but nobody stepped up to challenge Google. Everyone either had their own secret phone projects and didn’t want Ubuntu to succeed or they were too in Google’s pocket.
@@davidnotonstinnett So sad man , I miss the excitement of Ubuntu Touch Thry genuinely had really great ideas and if they were to pull it off I think it would've been an AWESOME true rival to google
@@abdullahzafar4401 ubuntu touch still exists as UBPorts... recently the pixel 3a got 100% support, (including waydroid) but volte is still a work in progress which is a dealbreaker
Is Warty Warthog a real Warthog, those small pig looking critters with big tusks
is sad that we are at the point that we have to "debloat" ubuntu
Not a bad idea for a video... lol
Time to take a dive on that arch install weve been putting off. Edit: been using arch and i love it. Learning curve was fun.
the answer is to use a better distro
That's what I did. I just installed Ubuntu 23.04 and completely purged snap and all snap apps. Added filters so snap is never accidentally installed. Now it's much better, very fast.
@@ChrisTitusTechplease make one video on this topic 🙏🏻
I remember 10+ years ago when Ubuntu became popular to PC Enthusiasts. So many Windows users were pissed at Vista and declared they were switching to Ubuntu!!! Within a week - most people's reaction were, "I have no idea how to use this., I'm going back to Windows..."
Canonical did not kill off "Ubuntu One". It was an account service that came with online storage called "One Drive" and was slated for including DRM for media collections to increase Canonical's revenue stream from its desktop userbase. Microsoft got sued by the Sky media network for the use of the term "Sky" in their "Sky Drive" office product. So Microsoft did a deal with Canonical to buy the "One Drive" trademark, as a result Canonical shut down quickly their Ubuntu One service. As a result Canonical made more money from the sale of the trademark than they ever did make from their premium tiers of One Drive storage service. *Bonus Factoid: My hard copy of The Linux Bible (4th edition) has a copy of Ubuntu 4.10 on the attached CD of live distributions. These days I am using Pop!_OS because it has all the hardware advantages of Ubuntu and by default only uses Debian and Flatpak package managers with slimy snot that is 'snap' excised from the system. Ubuntu minus snaps in the form of Pop!_OS is actually very usable, reliable and aesthetically pleasing by comparison
I use Ubuntu 22.04 and i love it. I have tried many distros in the past but i always ended up installing unbuntu as my main os.
I use Kubuntu. It seems like the Ubuntu series is more feature rich. For example, installing nVidia's driver is easy. OpenSuse is sort of easy. Their GUI was confusing when it came to install and uninstalling software and drivers. The best I have seen in that department is Windows.
Blames Firefox, the slowest shittiest browser on all platforms, for snaps. Says thunderbird takes a few seconds when it took less than 1.
@@louistournas120 linux mint offers cinnamon, mate & xfce only.
@@louistournas120 duh.
@@laracroftonline ew
Ubuntu Mate does a decent job... The developers take a slightly different path than the other variants, it even includes Flatpack support out of the box to prove the point. However, I agree, Ubuntu is more focused on their corporate/server side now a days. They have some good software, but the standard Gnome desktop isn't one of them.
Indeed. Howevver, Ubuntu lost me when they tried the "Unity" desktop thing. It was horrible because nothing was listed by default, instead you had to use this super slow search function to get anything to show up.
Yes
@@youngthug4193 Ironically, since I posted this 22.10 was released and they did an amazing job with Gnome this time around. I'm actually running it as my daily driver on my laptop now.
Obligatory comment complaining about how you pronounce Ubuntu, even though it doesn't actually matter at all and 99% of us pronounce it that way anyways :P
You should hear how Jody Bruchon pronounces Linux.... "LIN-OX"!!!😂🤣😆
it's ooboontoo
But... there is also GAH NOME! lol.
I do find the pronounciation a little weird to my ears been a South African :-) But who cares? So long as you are able to understand each other it doesn't matter 🙂 As for Ubuntu it's self, I've never really liked it. Didn't find it user friendly for myself as someone who knows about enough to put an OS on my pc and it doesn't go much further than that. I found Linux mint so much easier to use. I'm still on it over 3 years later. One thing that has gotten better over the years, but still needs a bit more work, is the instructions for ubuntu based distros, has gotten so much easier, that a lot of the stuff now I can look up and just copy paste. Eventhough I have no idea what it is doing. But gets the job done 🙂 and many a time if I don't find it now, about a month or so later a issue may be resolved or a solution for it put on the net that is easy to figure out.
Yes! Thank you! Ubuntu was what got me into the world of GNU/Linux. Stopped using it a couple years ago, because of how bad it got. Sad to see.
Stopped using it when it became Microsofts alpha-tester of touch-screen display/window-manager.
it's worse on those laptops with HDD or limited space SSD
My last ubuntu was 16.04 and I was THE ABSOLUTE BEST, everything went down to being simply just bad after that
no longer for human beings
I started with 6.06 if i remember well, still use ubuntu but the best is long gone, for me 12.04 was the last good one and best one ever.
I saved a couple of seconds everyday by switching from Ubuntu. Now I am an immortal with unlimited time.
currently on my ubuntu 24.04 with hyprland, it's fast (yeah even the containerized firefox is instant loading (
I noticed these issues. This past week I installed Ubuntu as my first Linux distribution and was confused why the performance with basic applications was so bad.
I would strongly recommend Fedora. I've used all the distros pretty much including many years on Gentoo. But when I want something that just works? When I want to get shit done? Fedora. I'm not saying arch, gentoo, and others are bad per se, I would recommend them as a means of learning.
Sadly this is a very common tale in human history. Becoming a rising star because you're providing a great alternative to your competitor, and then becoming the entity that you hated and swore to fight against and as a result alienating your hardcore fans.
OnePlus?
@@mvwouden my first thought
A tale as old as time it's self, I'd say.
I'm definitely not a beginner, and I mostly use FreeBSD, so maybe other people would have different opinions, but: For server, if I can't use FreeBSD for the task, then my go-to distro is vanilla Debian. I can't think of any reason why anyone would pick Ubuntu over it. On a server, you want the absolute minimum features necessary to run your application and nothing else. Debian does that. You get a very minimum install, and you apt-get whatever you need on it. For desktop, Linux Mint Debian Edition seems to be very beginner friendly without any of the rubbish that comes with Ubuntu.
Completely agree. Vanilla Debian has never failed me in any task I've tried and Mint is my go to for a beginner recommendation for Linux.
Main problem with Debian (at least from my experience) is a) not as easy to install as some other distros for new users (especially if you use proprietary drivers), b) typically up to 3-year-old packages unless you use debian unstable (which I don't recommend, since it has all the drawbacks and very few of the benefits of a rolling release distro), and c) lack of new hardware support. For a server, Debian is great, but on the desktop, it has problems. On the desktop, I would recommend Linux Mint, KDE neon, an Ubuntu flavour (they tend to have less of the problems of stock Ubuntu in my experience, and are definitely faster), or Manjaro.
Why don't you use OpenBSD tho. It's much more secure due to reduced attack surface because of less unnecessary feature for server like Bluetooth. It also have less breakage for the same reason, right?
@@prototry Mainly because it doesn't have zfs.
I have also used Debian since 97 and I have tried other distros like Ubuntu when it came out. But I always come back to Debian. However I am very impressed with LMDE I have it running on a laptop of mine it's a gem to use. I also use MX Linux in a VM and think it's a very underrated OS. I would encourage anyone moving away from Ubuntu to try LMDE,MX Linux or Vanilla Debian.
Linux Mint, MX, PopOs. They are probably the best options for beginners and for people who just want their system to work.
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Fedora is pretty beginner friendly.
I just got Pop is on my laptop from windows 11 and it's so good!
True that! popOS is the only one that consistently works for me.
I’ve been using PopOS on a MacBook from 2014 and I’ve had a pretty good experience so far
First started using Ubuntu when it first came out with Warty 4.10. Was there for the first Fedora Core also. The glory days were pre unity I think. Ubuntu 10.10 was the last Gnome 2.x and then 11.04 was when Unity first came out. I can say it took a LOT away. I always for fun on the panel had "Eyes" installed. A pair of eyes that followed the mouse around the screen. It was fun. I made folders on the panel to hold multiple files, change the clock format and location if I wanted, all sorts of things. ALL of the customization I liked was thrown out when Unity came out. Now I use Zorin on one laptop, and Mint on another. (Cinnamon and XFCE DE's) The whole point of Ubuntu was to make Linux for humans. Then they got to big, and Mark was spending millions of his own dollars to keep it going so they needed a income source. Enter Amazon integration. Now I actually had no issue with it there, BUT it did slow down the computer a lot, and if you wanted to look for a local file, it would first search Amazon, even if it was not a product. If they could have separated the searches or just used the Amazon app by itself I think it would have been more successful. I ended up like most uninstalling the Amazon shortcut and disabling its search, which made searching instant again. Then the Ubuntu Edge smart phone issue...they tried to raise 50 Million dollars, and I think it got to "Only" about 35/40 Million. That would still should have gotten them a start, as working prototypes were made and out. I can say I was really hoping for the converting from a smart phone to a full desktop. Install the newest Steam and Proton for games and somehow make new versions that can use a E-GPU? It had options, but business is business...
I think Ubuntu needs some tough love at this point. I also believe your channel has gotten big enough that they may hear your comments and take note. I have always rooted for Ubuntu over the years. I will still root for them and celebrate any success they have.
Credit where it's due, Ubuntu established me with Linux back in 2012ish. For that, I'm appreciative of Ubuntu / Canonical. After a couple of years I moved away from it and landed on arch based installs for desktops. Not needing bleeding edge packages, I threw ubuntu 21.04 or 21.10 onto a fairly decent pc about 6 mths ago and the delay with opening things like firefox was instantly noticeable. In general it felt slow. I didn't bother looking into at the time, I just knew it wasn't right and reverted to my usual install. This explains it.
My first exposure to Linux was open SuSE. I may have to look at that. Fedora isn't a bad choice either.
Remove snap and firefox Install native ppa firefox Like I do
I have been using Ubuntu since 2014 on the same PC. Still works but got slower startup, but works fine after that on my old PC.
I liked Ubuntu around 14.04 to 18.04. I used it briefly, but ended up settling on Linux Mint (liked the look and feel better). Tried 21.04 in a virtual machine and hated it. I think that was when they started using snaps by default. It felt so sluggish compared to other distros. I thought it might have been the VM, but I guess I was wrong. I never used it as a daily driver (I've been switching between Manjaro and vanilla Arch), so it's interesting to see and read other people's experiences. Great video!
I think Snaps is NOT about Ubuntu not caring anymore. In a world of FOSS alternstives, the LAST thing a company would want is to p*ss off its users. Snaps HAS advantages. A company/school/enterprise does not care about a few more seconds of loading a program. Its us neckbeards who complain. Snaps mission isnt speed after all. Ubuntu goes the MS/Apple way of 110% seemless noob user experience. "Good" is a HIGHLY subjective term. I definitely should make a video about Ubuntu "going mad/down". I think it will rise even further.
its not even that noob friendly when you have like 3 steam snaps and 2 ungoogled chromium one. One is official and another is someones own personal moonshine mix. At least flatpak has better metadata support to show only one option. This might be why LTT had so much issues installing steam on Pop OS
I'd still recommend it for beginners due to the plethora of information on how to use it. Ubuntu built my confidence in using Linux.
Linux Mint could take the place of Ubuntu. Not that much difference between two based on its use.
@@crazytechguy5735 not only that but mint doesn't include snap by default
@@crazytechguy5735 I'm a gnome guy
@@crazytechguy5735 mint is very windows. And that brings my workflow to a hault. Having to scroll down 30 programs to find the one I want is not my style lol. With gnome everything is there right in front of you.
@@crazytechguy5735 xfce, cinnamon and mate are all nice but it feels like going back to 2007. Gnome offers a modern desktop environment.
This is amplified on older machines too- my i3 struggled. Upgraded my machine & installed Linux Mint w/ Gnome environment - has been a pleasant experience. I personally really like Gnome & the side layout that Ubuntu defaults.
You might try to remove the Firefox snap and install the Mozilla version of Ubuntu deb-package. Are getting much more light way and snappier. Still some snap packages for Gnome though. But as that is only started once, it isn't that big problem.
@@AndersJackson This is a good point, will use this method if I find myself on Ubuntu later on.
Gnome is awful, tablet ui.
@@Syphonpsx Interesting take, is this the reason you dislike it? Its simplicity in visual & functionality? I find the simplicity very accommodating in my workflow if customized a bit.
You are right and honestly right. I may not have used Ubuntu for a very longtime like many of you - I started with 14.04 LTS. However by the time we were getting to 18.04 LTS and 20.04 LTS, I realised something: 1. The OS ISO was getting larger with every release 2. The OS was becoming much more buggy and after a while it would Freeze no matter how powerful the PC was. I switched to Debian. And I have been all smiles
Huh is Debian how much easier then ?
@@jebeifinn443not easier, but at least you know what you‘re getting; it’s better, especially if you know what you’re doing.
Thanks for the video! I've never liked Gnome or Unity for that matter. I always went with Mate or XFCE even when I used Ubunutu. Currently I like Mint Cinnamon due to it's ease of use and similarity to the Winblows of old that I learned on. I do hope that Ubuntu can recover from their decline in the user experience since I think they could be great again.
you have not used manjaro .😮💨
@@itsaaron6423 I have tried Manjaro and found it to be a good distro. I prefer Mint Cinnamon for now.
try plasma manjaro baby,. its so smoooooth
@@itsaaron6423 Manjaro broke for me on a fresh install while just trying to update the system that even with terminal. Also Manjaro had some bugs no matter which DE I try. Doesn't happen with Linux mint or KDE Neon.
@@sifatullah7568 That's rolling releases off of an arch base for ya
Agree with just about everything you say in the video. I find Xubuntu or Linux Mint XFCE far easier to use than the standard Ubuntu. In Xubuntu I don't really notice Firefox being slow to start.
Xubuntu will unavoidably inherit Snap packaging from Ubuntu. You will have to switch distros to Manjaro, Debian, Fedora, Suse eventually.
@@winlux2 That's why OP cited Linux Mint, which keeps the very good accessibility and compatibility of Ubuntu with proper .deb packages instead of snaps. Oh and even if I'm happy with xfce, the project is really slow paced and not well polished compared to Mate.
Nailed it. Chris! So sad to see the mighty fallen on hard times. We too had a bad experience with Snap. For me, Unity was a similar slo-mo event on our elderly netbooks (at that time), but Bodhi Linux (built on a 'buntu LTS server base) rescued us back around 2011 (was it really that long ago?). Back then, Bodhi simultaneously provided the solid 'buntu server base melded with the newly-stabilised Enlightenment desktop - unusual, yes, but so lean and speedy with surprising levels of bling. Today it uses the 'Moksha' desktop, an E17 fork maintained by Bodhi and we are still happily using it to sustain old hardware within our posse of family and friends. It's properly minimalistic, but shares the 'buntu repos, so plenty of options. You are right, building on a 'buntu server base is pretty good!
Ubuntu 22.04 has seven snap packages installed - one from Mozilla and the others from Canonical. The only delay I notice is with Firefox which isn't really that bad. If snaps are unreliable and not secure then that's a different issue. Ubuntu server 20.04 and 22.04 each have three snaps.
I generally recommend PopOS! for Gnome, Manjaro for KDE and Mint for Cinnamon. Sadly, Ubuntu has been off my radar for about 5 years and counting. That's unfortunate since Ubuntu 5.04 (2nd Ubuntu release) was the first Linux distro that was good enough to become my daily driver, so it holds a special place in my heart. It was the first distro that could reliably play DVDs without frame drops, a big deal back then. And Ubuntu Forums was a game changer, I learned more about Linux there than anywhere else.
Pop is for Cosmic shell. If you want Gnome, you want Fedora.
And Fedora for everything.
My mother uses mint for daily driver and it’s says that it’s so much easier then using windows 10 or 11
Pop is not gnome but a heavily customised version of it in the form of cosmic, Manjaro has a really good out of the box customised gnome experience, Fedora if you want vanilla gnome. Although Mint was my first distro, these days I use Manjaro KDE, Fedora was good and very polished and at bleeding edge of everything, but I always missed the AUR, plus for my particular hardware linux would crash if I did something graphically intensive which can be solved by inserting certain kernel parameters, a workaround that only seems to work with arch and debian based distros.
@@thelakeman2538 I recommend PopOS! because I think it's actually a pretty solid Gnome experience. I don't like what the Gnome project is doing these days and I think the System76 guys have the right idea as they try to move away from it to their own thing. I've recently moved to KDE Manjaro and have been shocked at how well it's working for me. This is after running XFCE Manjaro for 2 years. I've not used Fedora recently, but I generally ignore it because I prefer a Debian based package manager for people new to Linux.
For me my interest in Ubuntu ended when I discovered: 1. Bad wireless nic support on some versions. 2. Bad update steps. 3. Updates killing my gui modz leaving me unsatisfied.
It's not declining that fast, most people I saw in Dev community were all Ubuntu or MacBook Air (WSL is a gimmick, still it has more users than Fedora). It is still the most used Linux, people like it or not. Unity was the most polished Desktop Linux had. Lxd is pretty good, I wish they marketed it. It will take a long time for Ubuntu to decline. The only distro that will beat Ubuntu is Mother Debian, which is pretty amazing in comparison to Ubuntu. For most common and not nerdy people, Linux means Ubuntu only.
That Ubuntu is not gonna dying so soon everyone knows. But, Ubuntu is losing their "beginners distro" thing. Nowadays is just a lot easier to just use Mint or Pop_OS instead, or even Fedora, without all the snap packages and with nice releases. Ubuntu now is nothing but boring.
Good rundown on Ubuntu, Chris. As a lng time Ubuntu user, still use ubuntustudio as my daily driver for audio and video stuff. I have, however. just started to use Fedora 36. albeit in virtual machine after watching your comparison linux distro video. I hate the continual dependence on snaps and flatpaks. I remember when it was the distro for the masses for ease of use, not anymore. As soon as I get all my stuff working on Fedora will probably switch. Full implementation of pipewire is key for me.
There is even a fedora jam edition that uses kde plasma by default.
I switched to Fedora for machine learning projects. Its been alittle bit of a struggle whereas you have Lamada Lab's repo and packages to self install everything ML packages/SW and Graphics drivers that is needed for Ubuntu. I been managing and learning new experiences. I managed to get close to what Lamada Labs packages offers but with Fedora and possibly with RHEL with further testing needed. Ansible essentially does the whole install.
I have been using Ubuntu exclusively since 2006. In the past year, I installed Awesome Window Manager. Ever since then, the system is so much better. I have nothing to complain about. This setup works well in all my machines, from old Thinkpad, to my modern powerful workstation.
I use Kubuntu for the desktop. I think that somewhere someone was having a rant that the calculator was a snap package and took 5 seconds to load - that's just crazy. What I do like about ubuntu is that I can run it on my entire stack from a raspberry pi to my laptop to my desktop to my HP Polient Server.
I think you would really like KDE Neon, which combines the latest KDE on top of a stable Ubuntu LTS base. Been running it for over a year now and find no real need to go back to Kubuntu.
Canonical could give us options to choose at the time of installation. This would be one way to solve this perfromance issue. I switched to Debian for all my business (own) laptops due to this startup lag in snap applications.
Every time i start distro hopping, i end up coming back to Manjaro KDE. I love the way the Manjaro folks have setup their distro in a way that lets you get going with your work 5 minutes after installation. Pop OS is also good but I prefer KDE in general. I'm really loving Fedora as a base distro but the extremely plain default setup just takes too much time to configure to my liking (and while not as bad as snaps, I'm not a fan of flatpaks either)
Since you don't like snaps and flatpaks, what do you use? I am a beginner.
@@archit_kr if arch just use aur
So what are your feelings on Kubuntu?
@@aycc-nbh7289 never used it but seems like its just kde on ubuntu, u can get kde on pretty much everything. still never used it so idk much. i use kde tho and its my favourite one out of all.
@@slowverb8460 It comes with KDE pre-installed so one does not have to go through the hassle of installing it after the core OS install is complete. It’s also the fastest operating system I’ve ever used on a physical machine.
I started using Ubuntu Studio when I got into using Virtual Pipe Organ Software because it came out "out of the box" with a real-time kernel and virtually all the bits needed for that application such as QjackCTL. I am not doing that so much anymore but stayed with it due to inertia. Which brings up the question of whether there are other distros which would be accommodating of those applications. What setups do other musicians use?
I think this is why Linux Mint is so popular, its pretty much ubuntu without snaps, plus cinnamon is a nice DE
Yeah, and Clem their lead dev knows his shit. There is no way he'd let something like this fly.
Another bonus with Mint, they didn't make it hard to enable snaps if you really need/want to use them.
@@ChrisTitusTech That explains a lot. After years of distro hopping, about 2 years ago i tried mint and never looked back. It's fascinating to me how fast it is and easy to use even tho i don't have good knowledge of terminal. Also, thanks Chris! It's thanks to you that i know about Linux world.
I've stuck on MINT, my last employer used a mixture of MINT and Ubuntu in their lab machines. This was before Snaps, so I could have gone either being familiar with both I tried Snaps for a couple of things in MINT then binned it, just now waiting for the next MINT which is about due.
LMDE has become the Ubuntu of yesteryears. It's what I put on my mom's laptop.
Other already mentioned it, but Pop_OS is a solution to the problems you are mentioning. It has all the good desktop environment, has ripped out snaps, and does a great job in having great NVIDIA drivers that are tested and really 1st class parts of their distro.
Does pop support HDR streaming or gaming?
And does is properly support Optimus?
Now if it just rebased to Debian ;) Or maybe Arch? But yeah, it's the best Ubuntu based desktop experience
It does not have proper boot menu...
@吉田あぢべ That would be a deal breaker for me too. But given that I use gnome, and was on Fedora for years the transition to Pop was pretty easy. I had a wish to move from rpm to something ubuntu based for a long time.
You nailed it man, I too hope Canonical starts listening, although I doubt it. Switched to Mint 3 or 4 years ago and never looked back.Thank you!
Thank you. So many Linux users get offended when these types of issues get brought up. As a developer, I had one of the worst times figuring out how to distribute my music player to Linux. I tried to snap it, too difficult. Redditors act like containerization has 0 overheard as if it's an android app. I tried flat and app image and those too were too complicated. I went with a custom installation script that doesn't require sudo. Until Linux starts prioritizing non sudo app packages, shit will not work. On android, you don't need to sudo to install something!
I'm going to be installing Linux on my old laptop soon and will probably go with manjaro and will need to let my parents and I share the computer. I'll try manjaro again and see if it's gotten better since last time 2 years ago.
Ubuntu is the ROCK of linux. They may experiment with different technologies but if something doesn't work well they simply drop it in future versions. It's the long term winner. Other distros may get 5 minutes of fame but if what they were doing is any good these features will simply get incorporated in future versions of Ubuntu. Ubuntu will be here in 20 years time, 99% of the other distros wont be
exactly ! currently on my ubuntu 24.04 with hyprland, it's fast (yeah even the containerized firefox is instant loading (
Since almost 4 years ago I've been using Ubuntu for web development and I love it. Yes, it could be better, but as it is now, is great. Not slow for me, most of the tools I try simply work. The only drawback in my context is that you can't use Bluetooth headphones properly. I agree that snaps can take a few seconds to load the first time but I don't restart my machine for weeks, so that is not something meaningful to me either.
Hey Luis, you can modify the Bluetooth settings file to avoid headphones connection issues. By default, my apple headphones were not able to connect.
As someone who doesnt work in IT snap is very helpful because it contains a lot of applications that are not available through simple apt-get install in other distros. Once I tried to run openSuse, I liked it, but my third monitor didn't work because manufacturer was only developing drivers for Windows/Mac and Ubuntu, while giving note that if you are using other distro just build from source, well it didn't work, it took me a week of internet research, I saw many threads with same problem, and no solution was found at the end anyway. Finally, I just broke my OS after installing god knows what, so I reinstalled Ubuntu. It may be harsh, but an operating system without big corporation behind it is unusable for non-technical people, unless all you do is internet consumption.
The last version I used was 9.04. They added so many features and that was the penultimate version. In 9.10, they changed the overall theming, had some weird changes, and overall altered the trajectory of the OS for the worse. No version since 9.04 have been compelling.
100% agree, I'm not fanatical about performance so I still install ubuntu on some machines for the look and the functionality out of the box, but when you switch to other distros you can clearly see the difference. Hope Canonical finally find some good solutions because I'm also attached to Ubuntu (having been my first linux experience)
For me the Ubuntu high point was 12.04 LTS. I used 12.04 until it was no longer supported. I didn't care for the Amazon additions in 14.04, even though I could remove them. After 12.04 I just got away from Ubuntu. I tried 22.04, but the snaps are just too slow to load. That, and many of the snaps are outdated and no longer maintained.
Ubuntu didn't decline, other "easy to use" Linux distros just caught up
Great video. I wasn't sure why I disliked Ubuntu--which has been annoying, as it's the base distro for a lot of projects I'm interested in--but your video really put it in focus for me. What would you recommend for a lightweight server distro, to be used as the basis for a Proxmox container template (so, something I could use to, say, easily build a Minecraft server container). I was going to use a slimmed down version of Ubuntu Server, but now I'm not sure that's the way to go.
I find it weird that people are remembering Unity fondly! I can clearly remember it dividing the Ubuntu community and so many people jumping ship.
yes, hence lbuntu / mint ect... those dark days were never spoke of again xD.
Yeah, I kind of agree because Ubuntu didn't really offer a good firm tangible benefit to the use of snap packages over the normal distributions that have been out there forever. They wanted to differentiate themselves but in doing that they made themselves slower and less appealing. If Firefox takes that long on your system imagine how much longer it takes on an older system?
The first Linux distro that I used was Ubuntu 10.04, it was not very good at that point (FYI, Linux couldn't even natively play mp4 files at that time , only ogg was supported) , then I purchased a magazine called "Electronics for You" which came with an Ubuntu 12.10 DVD (I still have it) , and that was the first Linux I installed in my main computer alongside Windows.. I didn't update Linux that frequently, but here's my useage order:- Ubuntu 12.10 Ubuntu 14 Ubuntu 16 Ubuntu 18 Linux Mint 20 Pop_OS 21 Linux Mint 22 And well it's been quite a journey, Linux still has some rough edges in things like gaming, but it's nowhere near to what it used to be 10 years ago, and I'm happy for it..
10.04 supported mp4 if you installed the codecs, 8.04 even had mp4 support.
Damn I remember Electronics for you and there CD's. My uncle used to buy it every month, they had subscription. I didn't understand any of it but I installed games which came in the CD and enjoyed watching the photos of tech in the magazine. I was child at that time. Did that from when I was 10 year old until a few years back when we stopped buying the magazine.
Ubuntu was the first distro I ever daily drove, it was only for a month but I loved it (right at the end of unity 2017) it is sad to see it decline. I almost want to revive it with rebuilt packages no snap and everything now that I know how to do that.
You are spot on. I started using Linux with Ubuntu 10.04 and loved it for years. Over the last few years,they have been declining so much.
Installed Ubuntu on my sisters laptop. She just uses it for schoolwork and browsing the web. She hasn’t complained and I removed those snap packages. I actually like Ubuntu it’s a perfect beginner friendly desktop!
Thanks for this. I’ve been getting more annoyed with the slowdown in Ubuntu and am looking to changing to a different distro. I just hate the idea of wiping my drives and reloading all the software. I can do it, I just don’t have a lot of time to devote to the task. Oh well. Sooner or later, I will have to take that route. I’ll just have to review some of your past videos on different distros. I want “fast”. Thanks, JohnB
If you have a spare hard drive, dump your current install to a file using clonezilla. Then copy over your user folder to that drive as well. Then install the new distro (maybe KDE manjaro), plop your user folder in it and start installing software through the package manager as you need it. It's not like windows where you have to set up each software again, all configuration is stored in your user directory. So all software you install will launch with the configuration of your old distro. It will take you an evening at most And if you mess up, you have the backup with clonezilla to fall back to.
@@AJ-wf1vh Manjaro has worse problems.
@@madthumbs1564 it's not perfect but it's a rolling distro that has everything in its software repository Ofc if you only use chrome it will be more hassle than it's worth
Imo if you want a fast/Stable distro which is also full of recent updates Fedora is a great place to look. Its secure, stable, Easy to use and up to date. Its also "Vanilla" with its des (Pretty much Vanilla KDE plasma or Gnome) I've had a great experience so far with it and almost no issues, its very intuitive
@@madthumbs1564 Debian 11?
Having an older laptop until 1.5 years ago, I installed Ubuntu to "give back live" to my slow laptop. It was faster than Windows 10, I give them that, but haven't seen a clear difference. Plus the fan was always working like it did with Windows 10. So I decided it wasn't worth the work and deleted it. At the very last months of my old laptop I decided to give another distro a try and installed Mint. The difference was very very clear. Much better working laptop, fan was surprisingly quiet. Having now a "gaming" laptop I gave Ubuntu another chance, wasn't again amazed and continued with Mint (Windows as dual boot for Windows only work related softwares) and will never give Ubuntu a chance again. Deciding if I should switch to Arch at the moment to got even more speed but I'm not sure if it would be worth the effort and would make a significant difference in a high end laptop.
I have some lower-powered machines that I tinker with. A thin client, some Pi computers, etc. I usually look for light and snappy (no pun intended about snap packages). I found that on my ARM systems that I just want a simple installer on, but great performance, something like Manjaro works well. I go with either KDE or something else lighter than Gnome. On more powerful hardware I usually just use something like PopOS, since it's been consistent for me for years, without fail. I was running Ubuntu on a couple of machines, but it broke itself somehow in a couple of instances. Especially in times where I was doing a version update, it would just kill itself.
Ubuntu's final nail in the coffin was announcing they wanted move away from deb packages. I've tried Ubuntu numerous times over the last 15 years. But I always end up staying with Debian Sid. Ubuntu is toooooo bloated.
I switched to Debian several years ago myself, except I went with Stable.
@@fredmckinney8933 During a few months I used Ubuntu (it was in fact Xubuntu because coming from WinXP, Unity was too disorienting) then quickly switched to Debian Squeeze. Stable for desktop provides a very resilient workstation. Some bugs time to time but the only reinstall I had to do during my 10 years of use was because of playing too much with backports and installing systemd through it.
@@PainterVierax Yeah, I tried Unity once -- made my head hurt. Same for GNOME. And KDE, except for different reasons, although I could come closer to tolerating KDE. MATE, Xfce, or, if I need the performance boost, Openbox are more my speed. Cinnamon ain't half bad, either.
That's a wonderful video Mr Chris!👏 I totally agree with you spapd makes Ubuntu slow, except this Ubuntu is still a good Linux distribution, Yet, personally i switched to arch linux experimenting it with some fantastic tiling windows managers like Xmonad, awesome and dwm i hope you prepare for us some tricks and tutorials to manage then in efficient way.😊 I strongly supporting you with tons of my friends in Africa my great mentor Chris, Keep it up! ✌️Respects 🤩🙏
I switched to opensuse tumbleweed.
I am relatively new to Linux (having dual boot at home for 1.5 years Win10/Linux Mint). I use my PC mainly for VFX. Since CentOS was considered as best fit for VFX artists few years ago and now everybody steers away from it, can you suggest which would be best fit in the future. I want to use on my PC those apps: The Foundry NukeX, SideFX Houdini, Red Giant Silhouette and Mocha Pro, Autodesk Maya. Right now I am ok with Mint, but is there more appropriate distros?
Fun fact: if you remove the Firefox snap and reinstall it with apt and try to run it, it's just going to tell you to install the snap and then closes.
As a long time user of ubuntu, since version 8.04, I must say that up to versions 12.04 and 14.04 there were some bumps and highlights. I still use 18.04 as my main version (did not upgrade) on my laptop and desktop, because 20.04 and newer releases got me into trouble with my old hardware (old now is anything older than 3 years! crazy time we live in!), applications and user experience. I agree with you: SNAP is a pain in the a** - nice idea, very bad results. I use linux desktop as main system since version 12.04 LTS.
back in the 70's and 80's yesteryears hadware was half of what you had that year, so no, times we are living in aren't crazy at all.
@Crzh I’m sure you are being hyperbolic, but what did Gnome do to you? Like, KDE’s general instability when you apply the heavy tweaking people advertise it as being able to handle makes it not suitable for me. Gnome is rock solid and once I accepted its workflow, it has served me really well. You do you, but idk why you gotta hate on people’s hard work like that.
I'm kina liking Ubuntu 22 Jammy Jellyfish. It's stable and polished imo. Also the drivers work immediately for Nvidia and my usb monitor.
hate the snaps love everything else... heres hoping the scrap the snap
It may work currently, but LTS releases are horrible for user devices. When we got my grandma a laptop I tried to install Ubuntu to it. That laptop was nothing fancy, all the hardware in it was at least 2 years old. But the last kernel in that Ubuntu release was older, so that laptop, without a physical network port, had no wireless drivers. What a truly great experience, would recommend to anyone wanting to use LTS, you learn for life trying to get that shit running.
@@9SMTM6 you can backport the newer kernel into LTS. Also 2 year old hardware is still pretty new.
@@pandasticus yes you can. But first you'd need to get proficient in linux. Not only that but you need to do so on anther computer and somehow pack it in an iso, or buy an network adapter to USB (that actually is recognized by that kernel!). A process that seemed far to difficult for me, who back then used arch btw🤓. And no, 2 year old hardware IS NOT "pretty new" for newly bought user hardware, which is the spot in time when someone often installs an os. Which is my point. LTS may be great for servers and all, but it's horrible for an user facing distro (not just for that reason), just the same as snaps are.
@@9SMTM6 had the same problem, they corrected it in 22.04 to expand compatibility for more of the realtek and intel cards that refused to play with linux for a long time. same situation with a real shitter of a lenovo with no ethernet port. Made me furious.
As a Desktop, Ubuntu's Unity and Gnome/Shell, back then, were utter deal breakers for me, and I've never been back and I thank you for confirming my convictions today. So I switched to Arch Linux, or LFS, and learned how to build my own WM, and/or DE, like Openbox, KDE, MATE, XFCE, ... Presently, I've settled on Linux Mint MATE, or Cinnamon, for my daily use, simply for it's great stability and convenience. However, I also like to dabble the odd time with Kubuntu, openSUSE, or Manjaro - which are also all good Distro's.
6:04 is that for flavors also? or they are separated from the company or at least each are unique in packages i mean not all are slow and uses snaps by default?
So, you highlight Ubuntu's Amazon affiliated link on the dock and yet the description in this very video has affiliate links to Amazon? oh, the hypocrisy.
Canonical has moved to concentrate on Wayland and IoT, i.e. running screens such as touchscreen for electric charging points. Ubuntu Touch is hotly maintained by a community and runs quite well. Snaps, love or hate, I am indifferent, I use Ubuntu for certain operations and it works for me. Much of a muchness. Tried PopOS, Zorin and others and found Ubuntu the most useful for what I want. Puppy is useful too especially on old PC's. Don't forget though, you can use Lubuntu, Xubuntu etc...
Exactly...
Great video. Unfortunately I share most (if not all) of the issues stated. :( A side question - can you give some details about your desktop (on 1:01)? Looks pretty slick. What WM, extensions, etc are you using?
Will you be releasing a how-to video on your Fedora Config? Also is there a way to speed up dnf?
Well said! I had to switch to Pop OS because of these issues, but it wasn’t easy, Linux installers all hung - solution was to unplug all USB, SATA and Internet, sounds simple but it was baffling. I don’t think the developers use their own O.S
that reminds me of an oddity many years ago. I had to unplug my HP AIO from my computer, if I actually wanted the computer to boot, then plug it back in after boot completed.
Ubuntu has always been my favorite Linux distro. In fact, this is an Ubuntu setup that I use every day. It works well with what I need. Granted, I don't develop software as much as other users, but as far as for web development and remote server management, it works best. The last Windows I used was 10, which came installed and it told me the hard drive was permanently damaged and a new one had to be installed. Because I'm involved in technology and know Windows should never be trusted for diagnostics, I formatted the hard drive and installed Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is awful
@@Syphonpsx Be specific. What don't you like about it? Every user has different needs and preferences.
As a web dev Ubuntu servers are all I use too. He's just criticizing the desktop version. At the end of the video he says that Ubuntu is now just a server business and they don't care about the desktop anymore. He's not wrong. I've switched to Pop_OS for desktop. Pop is similar to Ubuntu, but improved in many ways, including better performance.
@@crisvis8905 I've been using Ubuntu desktop for the past few years and it works perfectly for me. I'm not running any servers at the moment, so I can't comment on that.
@@DerekThomasLirio Just watched a vid on new Ubuntu update. Looks really good and snap lag seems to have reduced. Going to try it out this weekend.
View point from a new to Linux(about 12-15months) user. I got forced to try Linux(Ubuntu) cause it was prescribed by my first year CS course. Considering CS isn't even my major I was not keen and especially the first 2 months considering I had it as a dual boot I avoided it as much as possible. However once I got past the first heap in the learning curve it was actually pretty good to work in. After about 6 months though I got tired of the graphics driver issues that plague Ubuntu and in my holidays tried mint which worked great untill I realised it can only detect my external monitor and not the laptop display itself. After hours of trying to bug fix it the semester was starting so distro hoped back to Ubuntu. As much as I now loved the Linux experience so much I only used windows for gaming I had to reinstall the OS about 3 times from problems relating to driver issues I had no time to fix(people are probably gonna tell me the same as in the forum's you don't learn by not fixing but when you need to get work done you sometimes need to get it done). This leads me to a week ago getting Manjaro which so far is going amazing. Im happy that I started with Ubuntu because I don't think I would've stayed much longer if I tried anything else mostly cause it's the one that has the most information about doing things and fixing issues. However like mentioned here the experience I'm having on manjaro is way faster, hasn't given me any issues with graphics drivers(yet) and it's a real shame that though I'd recommend anyone starting with Ubuntu to get their feet wet it's a shame I and not many will stay.
Hi Chris! Love your videos. I agree with you on Ubuntu. It just feels way too heavy on the desktop. After a bit of distrohopping I've finally settled on good ol vanilla Arch (desktop hopping between my own DWM build and Gnome). Ubuntu Server though definitely has its place! I have the arm version of it running on my raspberry pi 4 in the attic, for the sole purpose of running Docker containers for all of my self hosting needs. I would eventually love to see more content on the state of Linux on laptops. My daily driver is my 2015 Macbook Pro (13" retina) on which I dual boot my Arch system alongside MacOs (which I mostly just use in emergencies these days). The battery life really is not the best... I've seen your video on auto-cpufreq which helps a little bit, but I may need to start thinking about potentially going the custom kernel route for some more advanced tweaking and optimizing. Any good recommendations?
For battery life alone? An older version of MacOS. Unfortunately that’s the best battery life I have ever had with an old MacBook. High Sierra to Mojave I think? But obviously that defeats the purpose of your Linux plans. Let me know if and how you solve it. That’s the one thing MacOS does reasonably well on their own hardware is battery life. But I had to use a few terminal commands and an app to get that consistently. I don’t know how a Linux distro would handle the power management compared to native solutions.
I think the Ubuntu was great till the other distros also push out the more beginner-friendly desktops. Mint is a good example of this: mostly was based on Ubuntu, but they polish out the LMDE which is better than a forked fork like the bloated Ubuntu these days.
Yeah, I've seen multiple people refer to Mint as "Ubuntu except good."
Linux Mint is great, both extremely user friendly with more and more tools getting GUI equivilents for new users while also not trying to reinvent the wheel. My only issue is that, last time I checked, there isn't a GUI flatpak store installed by default which would really improve the user experience a lot. Still, it deserves its title as Ubuntu but not broken.
I tried LMDE5 and although it starts out feeling the same as mainline Mint, the differences pop up when you start installing and configuring things and the regular "Mint compatible" packages start having problems. I'm good with not relying on Canonical, though, if they can keep improving LMDE with more in-house development.
Same problem for 20 + years.
Mint is my desktop Linux go-to these days. Fedora is also looking quite good at the moment.
No Chris, Ubuntu does not need to do anything for the desktop. If you want a desktop focused distro, there are several other ones to choose from such as Mint and any other Ubuntu distro with a different DE, so why should anyone care what Canonical does for the desktop? They found a different direction and if the server stuff is works best for them, good for them.
I use Redhat for work. I have plex on Ubuntu at home. But I decided to redo with fedora due to snaps months ago. I thought it was just me that didn't want them until I saw your video. Nice explanation.
The Ubuntu Touch OTA-23 looks cool and is good for prepping (prepper) with its FM-Radio support. Such smartphones can sync (and charge) to a computer via USB and so having Ubuntu (or Xubuntu, etc.) on desktop can help with that and having ubuntu-server can link it all together via snap. I'd wait to see how Canonical's changes with their Ubuntu's dedicated desktop gaming manager will help with gaming specifically written for linux, working on both the smartphones and desktop-PC _(as in games that get written to work on both with graphics like say a Wii or Wii-U),_ and yes, an OIDC _"sp and idp"_ by ubuntu for those _(to work with sync between desktop and ubuntu-smartphone)_ would be a good move. SDR functionailty on the smartphone would be cool since small amounts of data can be sent via HAM radio (such as a magnet-link), and usb-dongles to work with IoT would be a good way to go _(as gadgets sold can help profits in ubuntu, if they so chose that route)._ A Joypad with (ejabberd) chatpad functionality _(and a webcam in it, extended like antennae, and maybe a small LCD for video and GUI)_ could be an example I'd think of. Check out Gamebuntu meanwhile. My comment has no hate in it and I do no harm. I am not appalled or afraid, boasting or envying or complaining... Just saying. Psalms23: Giving thanks and praise to the Lord and peace and love. Also, I'd say Matthew6.
I think one benefit of running Firefox in a snap is snaps are sandboxed, so that would help with security because the web browser is one area where your system could be compermised.
I installed KDE PLasma, and I like it very much. So many things work from start and it feels more like windows layout with linux functionality
I started using linux really for the first time seriously with Ubuntu 8.04.4 Hardy Heron and used many versions of Ubuntu as my daily driver, but have really moved away from it over the past 5 years only occasionally going back to see what's happening. Not for any philosophical reasosn, but for much lighter distros. My main Linux machine is running Mint and most of my others are using a custom setup with Debian and an ICEWM based desktop. I do hope that Ubuntu can course correct and pull people back in, because there's so much good about it. Whenever looking for info in forums it seems that there is still a very active community. Regarding snap, It seems that Canonical has often gone against the grain in developing "their own thing", whether it was Mir, Unity or Snaps, often causing a bit of a rift. Love them or lothe them, they have pushed Linux forward over the years.
I use Arch BTW! Geez. Anyway, Archlinux is just a better desktop system and eventually Fedora Silverblue will superseded it. Ubuntu is meh nowadays, but back in 8.10 and 9.04 days they were really pushing out the latest stuff. They also had the best hardware support back then to.
I hope ubuntu can improve on snaps so that they become more usable. Ubuntu 22.04 looks solid though. However i'm running opensuse tumbleweed as my daily driver.
I use Zorin OS, and I like it a lot more. They have lite version for under powered PCs like PC sticks.
I've been using ArchLabs on my desktop and I recently put Manjaro on my laptop. I would definitely recommend people give either of those distros a try. I think most people will prefer pacman once they learn it. I also really like the KDE plasma Manjaro has.
thats what ive been saying. plasma Manjaro is the BEST distro i have ever used. Period.
You unintentionally demonstrated my main issue with Ubuntu from a first impression point of view. All windows open top left and you need to move and resize them every time you open a window. Who thought this was a good idea as a default behaviour. I have been using zorin OS which seems like a good alternative.
I honestly haven't been a fan of Ubuntu since Canonical kicked the beautiful and efficient Unity desktop. As if that wasn't enough, the forceful integration of Snaps was the nail in the coffin for me. I started my Linux journey with Ubuntu and it's always had a soft spot in my heart, but I still would never choose to use it unless they decide to pick up where they left off with 16.04 LTS. Ubuntu just isn't as reliable and dependable as it once was. It's too unpredictable, you never know if the next release will be better or worse than the last one. Now I daily drive Linux Mint and never look back. Mint is an amazing distro that is guaranteed to improve with every release and is rock solid. My absolute favorite part is the package manager. All Mint components are standard Debian APT packages and it has Flatpak (which is far better than Snap) installed just to give people a more broad selection of software from the Software Manager. I wish Canonical would step up their game with Ubuntu, but until they do, you won't see me using it.
That's a big part of the problem, and it's something I criticize Windows for. People generally want you to pick a vision for your interface and stick with it so they're not forced to relearn (or retrain) every time there's a major update. If I want my desktop completely rearranged, I'll choose a different distro variant, thank you very much! Cinnamon is very good for those of us who think Microsoft peaked at Windows 7.
@@bryede That is a good way to look at it. Linux distros with a constant focus are generally much better. Like you said, Linux Mint is relatively the same with each release, with upgrades that everyone can agree are actually updates - not changes that only half of the users actually like. As for Windows, Microsoft definitely peaked at either XP or 7, one of the two. But Linux Mint is far better than any version of Windows if you ask me.
MX Linux is rocking right now as a solid debian based Linux distro. Ubuntu Mate is not bad at all . But regarding ease of use and proprietary driver installation MX Linux does a much better job.
I used MX Linux and I immediately prefer it to Ubuntu. The only thing I don't like about MX Linux is I can't select either Intel or Nvidia as my default GPU.
When I upgraded my graphics card to RDNA2, I had a bunch of weird issues with my longtime favorite Mint. Rather than swap kernels and ppas for updated mesa too, I just went to the default AMD supported Ubuntu 20.04. It took me a over a week of troubleshooting to figure out that this was snaps default behavior, and then I started distrohopping like mad to find an out of the box kernel/mesa support that worked with my hardware. Ubuntu was always my fallback os, since 8. Oh well.
ive been loving Manjaro. it has great hardware support too. shouldnt even have to search for drivers,
Ubuntu is awful
@@bloocifer Use straight Archlinux with the new guided official installer. Manjaro is not a good idea since they are just a delayed Arch and you must trust the Manjaro devs to properly test and more importantly mirror the repos correctly. That is what got me stuck in dep hell last time I tried it.
@@phoenixrising4995 honestly I'm loving my KDE manjaro right now and I don't use the AUR on this distro. I have an arch Linux installed on Boxes/vbox and I installed the old school way. I was having a lot more problems with arch than I was with manjaro for some reason. Maybe cu I'm on laptop. But manjaro runs faster and better than anything I've triee
The Firefox Snap is being fixed. Yeah, the vanilla Ubuntu Desktop always had the same problems but Server is good like you said, hence why I were on Xubuntu mostly, and nowadays Lubuntu since LXQt is a great balance between function, speed, and looks, with Ubuntu Server on the hosting side. Lubuntu is likewise installed as an Ubuntu Server, then the package.
Would love to see something about switching from Ubuntu to ... something else. Obviously for only those that have a separate /home partition :)
@lbialk by vital you mean visible elements. Hidden elements won't fit all from an old installation to a newer one, moreover if it's a different distro and a different Desktop environment. Separate partition for $HOMEs are OS and programs versions dependent. Better doing a separate partition for users' visible elements ( only or mostly media and documents, not « all » hidden config's which fit better at the native root of a system inside each /home/$USER ).
Snaps are indeed the bane of Ubuntu.
Due to the argument of snaps, I have to agree. I've started using Arch on my laptop and due to the install helpers like 'archinstall' shown to me by Mental Outlaw(don't get me wrong; I've installed Arch by following the wiki in the past, too) and it was one of the best experiences IMHO. Sure, some handy packages need to be grabbed from the AUR, but I think it's a relatively small price to pay.
What do you think of Linux Mint? For a beginner, which distro would you recommend? I dont mind the customisability. I just need a stable one!
Getting rid of Unity was a mistake. I have been taking some courses in PowerShell Core, and some of the labs are in Ubuntu 16.04 (with Unity). Although the virtual machine is pretty slow, the Unity menu and layout was really slick. As far as I am concerned, Fedora becoming more popular and improving with each version is the way to go. Fedora is going to be king soon. It is superb.
Ubuntu UNITY was attrocious and as Laggy as GNOME 3 was up Ubuntu 22.04 where it is now way more functional. Perhaps getting rid of it was a Mistake... but it needed MUCH improvement which it now Has...have you tried Ubuntu UNITY edition? try it!
Yes, snaps are slow so, that is not a reason not to use Ubuntu. Simply do not use snaps flatpaks or debs. If you compared the native Firefox in both Fedora and then install it in Ubuntu, like I did myself, you will find they are equally as fast.
I briefly used ubuntu desktop. I switched to arch after like a month. This video sums up why.
I'm currently test driving Kubuntu (22.10) on my laptop. Was running Fedora 36 with KDE before, and have run many others prior to that, so I'm not exactly a fanboi or distro snob. As far as Firefox starting slowly: meh. I'm not starting my browser and closing it enough for the 1-2 seconds between a snap and a native install to make a difference. Usually I start it once when I log in and leave it running until I upgrade or reboot. OTOH the snap does sandbox firefox as mentioned below, and the snap also better handles library dependencies, on the rare occasion where an updated library might be incompatible with the current version of firefox. All that said, a quick search pulled up a few sets of instructions about removing the snap version of firefox and install a distro native deb, so it's possible to "go native" if you want. I also wonder how you have your 5600 configured. As I said, I'm currently running Kubuntu on my laptop (and old Lenovo W530 with 16GB of memory and an SSD) and it doesn't take 3 seconds to start up the snap version of firefox. I also have a 5600 (5600X specifically) I built that I plan on upgrading to Kubuntu over the holidays. It'll be interesting to see if I get the same results you do.
Ubuntu desktop 20.04 was worse (the entire OS was slow) than 22.04, but I think Firefox snap is a fail, as you say, slow. Snaps seem to work well in Ubuntu server, but I've still found some imperfections with the odd snap app for server use as well. There is some convenient snap apps, and there is a reasonable idea behind it (certbot and onlyoffice-ds snaps have been pretty useful, sitting behind apparmor, and i like that idea for servers). At the moment, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now, since I'm seeing some usefulness from snaps, hopefully snap apps like Firefox get better, especially since it's default on Ubuntu.
I was very angry with Ubuntu as the whole system was heating a lot after the passage from 21.10 to 22.04. Now, maybe it's 3-4 weeks actually, I realized the laptop is working as smooth and cool as with 21.10. I kinda avoided all the snaps and it's all working fine to me.
@@redreliever Thats strange, ubuntu 22.04 on my laptop runs quite cool, with a ryzen 5800h. BUT, it was a clean install, no upgrade from an early Ubuntu.
@@jonnypeace2810 happy to hear that. No, mine was a passage, actually unwanted, but of course it was my fault. I pressed ENTER too quickly in some terminal "phase". As said now it's all perfect, though.
I started with 6.04 and can say the higher the version grows the longer it takes to get the system running after an upgrade. Version 22.04 has great chances to be my last. I have installed alpine on another disk and test it in case I need it once. Ubuntu is slow, unhandy and unstable on my computer now.
I had a clean install of lubuntu 22.04 and upgrade to 22.10, and it has been simple, snappy and not much to complain about. Is it Gnome people are reacting too or software options in general? I don''t have any fun stuff like touch screens or pads, just basic SSD drive, bluetooth, the old macbook turned over to lubuntu....
@@turtlefromthenorth I need the LTS version Ubuntu, not Lubuntu. We need to work for 5 years without complains as promised for LTS versions. The most disturbing new issue is, that when I want to open a link from an email, I have allways to start firefox first. If not done so firefox opens and gets stuck with an empty new tab. This is trash ! I changed firefox from the crap-package to apt-package, since before nothing worked as expected with firefox. These kind of problems I expect with Windoof, but not from a Linux.
@@fflecker I completely understand about the LTS satability and your preferance for Ubuntu. FF issues like you describe should not be persisting. I often use the irc support channels when I need to sort things out. I think all of the buntu flavours come in LTS releases.
@@turtlefromthenorth satability ? Has this to do with satan ? Such bad it is not, but it decreases.
@@fflecker :- ) what do you mean? I assumed you went for long term support to avoid the upgrades twice a year? To be honest, I haven't had too much problems with my linux installs. I had it for years, then went back to Windows (and the odd mac because everbody else around me use it). I replaced the sdd in a pc spring 20.20 and have used lubuntu since. I just now attempt regular Ubuntu again on a different pc. It all has to work for me to bother with it.
Thank you very much for telling me about "purge snapd" I was looking for that in my Ubuntu 22.04 server because it was so slow and I was snapping at people. I'm thinking of switching to Debian in the future.
Yikes! Years ago, I taught unix administration for Sun Microsystems. I still have a Sparc 5 "pizza box" I turn on from time to time. Working in small businesses I was resigned to running and supporting MS for about the last 15 years. I finally dedicated some new hardware to use as my principal desktop system, and knowing the popularity of Ubunto, that's what I installed. After about 2 weeks on it, I've been wondering why so many things seemed sluggish. Now I know. I was in too much of a rush to have my base platform up and running to take the time to research beyond my historic anecdotal knowledge. Thanks for the summary. I guess I'm gonna have to start over with a different distro.