I have always been slow, it is very demotivating to not be able to play many 5 star maps after 1355 hours of playtime Profile: osu.ppy.sh/users/20061228
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Hello, 1.6k speed stamina player here. I'd like to share my experience of improving in these areas. When I was at around 200k, I came across a video about the khz method for playing long stream maps, and I started spamming that particular map relentlessly. I began at 140 BPM and achieved around 36% accuracy with only a 150 combo. I kept playing the map using No Fail (NF), even when my fingers started hurting (I know this was not a good approach). However, after a while, I noticed that when my stamina ran out, I could tap lighter to the point where you could barely hear it, and I could still continue. By doing this a few times, I improved my combo. I prioritized increasing my combo rather than focusing on accuracy. I also would play 4-5* low bpm finger control map with NF that i couldn't pass. Based on my experience, I believe that if your tapping is already comfortable for you, there is no need to change your tapping style. However, you can try tapping lighter (although I know this is easier said than done) and find a comfortable balance between the lightness of your taps and the speed you're aiming for. I might not be able to explain it well to others, but I'm sharing what I've experienced. For me, the main factor in improvement was motivation to keep playing. In the past, I would have sessions where I pushed my skill limit by playing higher star-rated maps (at least those where I could achieve a B rank), rather than attempting maps I couldn't handle (resulting in D ranks). also if you're stuck just try playing other type of map for some session to have fun, with that you would not get demotivated playing the game, hope this helps.
@MrSlendo11 күн бұрын
Motivation is definitely a HUGE factor in improvement. I hit a hard plateau for about a year and just couldn't see any improvement (and at times it felt like I was getting worse, despite playing nearly every day). Decided to drop the maps I was grinding and retry spamming on, tried different style maps, stopped caring about pp, and even moved over to osu!lazer for all the customizability and fun mods. I'm still terrible at low AR, but I at least feel like I've improved at least a little in all the areas I had been stagnating in before.
@DukeJukem11 күн бұрын
Thank you for the advice I am following the khz method right now but I was very worried bc in the 140 bpm I couldn’t get more than 60% of acc I am going to try some finger control maps now, could you send the link of some plz
@bernabern622810 күн бұрын
You are the goat for making a video like this and reaching out to the community for advice. Videos like these not only help you, but also everyone who takes the time to implement some of your thinking in their own game. I hope you achieve your goal soon, sadly I am not good enough to give you legitimate personalized advice on tapping technique.
@nikanika-dg5bn12 күн бұрын
Don't give up man I've felt discouraged a bit in the past 2 years after about 4 injuries and things in my life that halted my improvement for many months but I know that eventually, I will be back to my best so just keep working at it. I am currently out of playing for a few months so who knows?
@boii961411 күн бұрын
i hope you can recover from this if you quit like this, this will be the worst anime ending i have seen in a long while im serious here i feel terible for you. i can't really stream tbh so i have no advice im sure the community will help you gl
@Delin.12 күн бұрын
i play mania only so know nothing about aim, but I think i figured out what's off about your tapping. Your middle finger is constantly hitting your middle key when you're streaming and I'm pretty sure that's not good technique; at least, when I try allowing my middle finger down I fingerlock almost instantly (and I can stream like 230bpm index-middle, burst like 280). I searched up some KZhead videos of top index-ring players like Vaxei and BTMC and they all see to have the middle finger floating as well. The main thing is that your normal alting seems fine on jumps, but the moment you switch to streams your entire hand position changes and it's kinda too flat and also definitely an unnatural position for you. (See 4:02 for a prime example of this.) My advice: try to consciously keep your middle finger from hitting that key. One way you might practice this is by holding down your D key and tapping your A key without letting go of D repeatedly (making sure your middle finger doesn't hit the S key). This should help develop finger independence (since you are hitting middle+ring together). The end goal is essentially to prevent your hand position from changing so much between alting and tapping (at least for now, later when you have fully developed your tapping technique you can do funky stuff like BTMC does lol). Also, typical advice of keeping your hand relaxed goes too. You don't want it flopping around like a fish at 4:05
@bobth609513 күн бұрын
your middle finger hitting the middle key isn't really a limiting factor. it actually helps some people stablise their tapping when playing index ring by subconsciously keeping their middle finger on a key, including me (if you want an actually good player as an example, thekushmanvan also does this)
@nishiko2812 күн бұрын
@@nishiko28 Okay, so I've looked at thekushmanvan's handcam and there's a very important difference. thekushmanvan's tapping doesn't bottom out the middle key when it's hit; that is, even though kush's middle finger is hitting the center key, he clearly still has control of his tapping. But what we see in the above video is that the player is nearly bottoming out the middle key quite often. Not only that, but kush's tapping doesn't even hit the middle key when he's streaming, it only does when he's alting normally, whereas this player is basically the opposite. The reason the middle key is bottoming out is because of bad technique. The player in the above video needs to make sure that their hand does not suddenly flatten when they are streaming (which it does very clearly at 4:04) because that just causes a lot of finger tension. What he needs to do instead is stream with his fingers in a very natural position, like how you'd rest your fingers on the home row of a keyboard. You shouldn't feel any tension whatsoever in the hand or fingers. The only hand muscle you are consciously activating is flexors (joint muscles) at the base of the finger.
@bobth609511 күн бұрын
honestly just scratch my original comment, I think I figured out the real problem in writing my reply, it does a better job at explaining the problem. I hope OP (@uniter343, that is) reads this cause it seems like I'm one of the few comments addressing problems with the issues of technique. Comments that just say to play harder/more maps don't really help if after playing 1355 hours OP still can't improve because that most likely means there is a technical issue at play rather than one of raw skill pushing
@bobth609511 күн бұрын
at this point u should try switching ur dominant hand to tap bro it only took me 1.5 month for my aim to become as good as it was before switch maybe better in some pattern since aiming in this game is mostly reading for me unlike writing with ur non dominant hand btw before switch I couldn't even do 20 notes 170bpm stream and now I can do 230-250bpm deathstream for like 500 notes without any warmups
@Kyzer830411 күн бұрын
I actually wouldn't recommend that. It depends on who it is for the most part. Switching hands for tapping shouldn't matter, unless one of the hands is substantially stronger than the other at just about everything.
@Wyvernxx_6 күн бұрын
I had this issue when I was a full alt player. I recommend practicing singletap (remember to use your wrist), that helped me immensely. Not full alting also improved my "tapping consistency on long stream sections but worsened my fingercontrol (triples, doubles etc..). I'm pretty sure that Flyingtuna also improved at speed by doing a routine of singletapping 500 clicks before and after they played with each finger. Remember to also play maps that are barely above your speed skill level so you can feel the burn, and don't tense up any fingers for speed, that will come bite you in the butt in the future.
@fan85512 күн бұрын
I have seen lots of people talk about tapping with their wrist, but I can't seem to grasp what they mean when saying that... Also I'd really like to keep playing full alt, do you think practicing single tapping without actually using it in gameplay could still be beneficial?
@uniter34312 күн бұрын
@@uniter343 tapping with your wrist means moving your whole wrist to singletap rather than just your fingers, it's almost always faster
@arcturus259912 күн бұрын
@@uniter343 i mean i'm used to be a full alt player. But some times actually playing farm map with single tap will be beneficial. Before i can barely stream 170 when only focusing on alternate. but when i try to single tap for one week it actually improve burst speed a lot. Just try for 1 months and see what you got. if you don't think it works switch back!
@icedcacao12 күн бұрын
@@uniter343 i use my elbow and wrist to single tap, watch lifeline's tutorial and see if it works for u. you should learn it because playing low bpm is harder to finger control with alt once u get faster and alting below a certain threshold is inefficient you can still alt higher bpm though
@bendinosaur182111 күн бұрын
Flyingtuna had good technique for speed, he just never capitalized on it (he is a bad example of speed improvement)
@Wyvernxx_6 күн бұрын
When you tap, do your fingers lock? Not mentally but literally? Cuz when I realized my right hand can stream faster than my left hand, it's cuz my right hand doesn't feel any "locked" feeling caused by tendons whereas my left hand does. My left hand ring finger doesn't move the same way as my right hand ring finger
@hiiiii5_40511 күн бұрын
Other comments here have some good advice but I want to give my take also. Find a technique that prioritizes speed over everything even if it’s not comfortable and use it until it becomes normal. Try anything and everything to prioritize speed and technique and comfort will come with time. This is how I became pretty good at speed. For low bpm long streams try modifying your technique to tap harder and play even lower bpm. I kind of suck at long streams and low bpm but through tapping harder and playing lower bpm I feel like I’m getting more consistent at it at least.
@tarunrudrashetty37129 күн бұрын
first, your tapping is pretty decent for your rank already i think focusing on your aim and consistency will be better play mid to high 6 stars or 5 stars with hr to push your other skills instead of focusing on the fact that you cant do some 5 stars, since some 5 stars are extremely difficult your tapping will improve along with your other skillsets (big value) Also, do not feel bad, I had to play bluenation, blue army, other 160-180bpm maps with NF for months before being able to do them with B rank (this was also like rank 20k lol) I think the key is to keep trying your best even if you dont have stamina anymore and you are only getting 100s 50s and misses if you feel burn that means its working take breaks in between tries and stretch hands your tapping skill plummets every time you take a break too, but it comes back within a week or two of playing good luck!
@pawzmygame897111 күн бұрын
i have this issue as a left hander. When i use tablet i tap with my right hand and i can only tap 170bpm MAX, but got to #5954 with aim. i just transitioned to mouse because i can tap 270bpm and stream 230 fairly easily.
@zanjo655910 күн бұрын
I recommand you raise your palm up away from the table, streams are not pressing but releasing your finger from keys actually.
@kandle7123411 күн бұрын
just go ham and see how much you can do. I did that and then started brute forcing my way through it by playing 200 and above stream maps. I can burst stream 250 now and stream moderately longer streams at 200 to 220 bpm maps i tap the same way you do.
@phen0menal46412 күн бұрын
at least u have good unstable rate
@-fv10 күн бұрын
damn, i was there 3 years ago, now i can (kinda) stream 170. i fc'ed the long stream practice 160bpm diff with 96 acc and 170 with 87 last month (and i barely play this month smh). i wasn't playing as much as you so it took me some time, but i think you can improve faster than me. anyway here are some suggestions (and some might be objective) 1. try not to life your fingers too high up, it will drain your stamina faster. i found myself more comfortable playing streams and bursts after fixing it. 2. just remember to warm up before playing 3. try not to tense up when playing stream (unfortunately you have to figure it out yourself, but that moment when you can stream without tensing up, it feels great! maybe start with bursts first and then move on to longer ones) 4. this one is for long stream practice maps, make the unstable rate bar bigger, you can use that to track how fast or slow you are tapping (i'm guessing you knew this already). when you are behind rhythm, relax your hand because tensing up will make you lose stamina even more (apparently i always tense up here smh, but sometimes i manage to relax and it helped) 5. remember to take breaks and don't play too much in 1 session, i knew this in my head but took it too lightly and hurted my arms a few times. this one too, you will have to figure out yourself when to stop anyway gl improving, ask me anything you don't understand or disagree with (or uh.....well...watch spare's video on how to improve speed and stamina, it has all the tips you need, the rest is just figure out your own technique and refine it) also take all of this with a grain of salt, i'm only 56k-ish and not that good at stream
@yumehiru958511 күн бұрын
You might wanna play around with positioning and natural ranges of motion. Find the sweet spot in your switches and generally hover around there as well. You want to try to put in the least amount of effort for the most output. That being said, you can go faster if you push a bit, but you need stamina before you can. Also, while it's mostly preference, play around with wrist positioning. In general, even for mania players, the options are either wrist down or up. Despite maybe better finger control, lower wrist isn't as advantageous when you consider how things push and pull on each other in your forearm. On the topic of that, you wanna generally feel it in your forearm because that's where most of the power and stamina come from. I moved my arm positioning to be somewhat similar to the angle drummers have to take full advantage of it and I had a huge jump in stamina and speed from it. To put it simply, wrist up, lighter tapping, and consistent practice of stamina before speed. It would be a good idea to look into spare's streaming stuff. For drummer technique, it's a bit different from most drummers, but I got my speed from watching Riccardo Merlini's guides for his one handed stroke techniques.
@t2vivi11 күн бұрын
is there a reason u play ring index? i also played ring index back then because vaxei did, but realized its not for me 2 years later. u should change something up since it looks like you aren't comfy with your tapping right now
@seraph100711 күн бұрын
Can you reply to this comment if you ever find something that works for you? I have the same issue and don't know how to fix it 😭
@noletaw601312 күн бұрын
Most important thing would be to push yourself more, play stream practice maps with hundreds of notes long streams even if you have to push through them with 60% acc (in the video you played a diff that was too easy for you, I suggest higher bpm). Once you find yourself in a position where you have to pull through a few notes more you will find what position works for you. Playing streams until you can no more will help you build up stamina but a lot of players ignore that and instead play what is comfortable for them. There is a step going from below 180 bpm to above 180 bpm because that is where streaming begins for most people (at least I think so). It looks like you are trying to tap the streams (as if they were individual notes like jumps) and your finger control is not very good looking by unstable rate. You are changing position of your fingers a lot when tapping and that is unnecessary movement that is making you less consistent. When I stream I would often arch one finger more than the other but I don't use ring finger, maybe try arching both of them less and move your hand further away since you are full alt anyway.
@kubaok12 күн бұрын
Can you try to raise your wrist or incorporate more wrist and arm muscle?
@i-300311 күн бұрын
For example, aetrna's technique video. Not that I can get any close to his speed, but his technique. You can see him tapping with his arm and wrist (singletap) and raise his wrist streaming.
@i-300311 күн бұрын
Your thumb placement is also important. Some top players said that putting your thumb curled unde your hand can help you get more speed/ make it more comfortable. Upto how the person hand placement is really.
@i-300311 күн бұрын
May I ask for maps? I want to practice 😉 Thank you
@hinoshimizu835111 күн бұрын
I am just a 2k pp noob. My suggestions might be subjective. 1. Please use your middle finger instead of your ring finger. They are physically weak and hard to lift up. By contrast, your middle one will be more powerful. 2. Try to tap lighter so as to keep your stamina. 3. It is said that practicing at a suitable bpm rather than pushing yourself to your limits is better, and the stability is more important than speed. Constant practice is also crucial. To me, my stamina is not enough and my fingers are uncontrollable while playing. Hope this help.
@hinoshimizu835111 күн бұрын
try to press the key more lightly not to lift your finger off the keycap
@kenkalusikkaa12 күн бұрын
It's a bit hard to tell from your hand cam, but it seems like you are tensing your wrist too much. Try focusing on keeping your hand / wrist as relaxed as possible when playing streams. Find a way to comfortably offload the strain somewhere else (in my case its my forearm). You may feel a slight burn like you would when working out at the gym, this is a good thing and helps build your muscles which eventually will cause a gain of speed. Be careful though, if you feel any pain at all your technique is bad and you will need to do some more theory crafting with it. GL!
@woofmagoof12 күн бұрын
Sadly I have no idea how offloading the strain would work.
@uniter34312 күн бұрын
@@uniter343 It's def something you have to experiment and get a feel of, for now I would just work on staying as relaxed as possible. Also another thing that help me was practicing various different burst lengths of the bpm you are trying to achieve. For example: triples, quads, quints, 8 note bursts, then eventually you work up to longer streams.
@woofmagoof12 күн бұрын
@@uniter343 Your finger should be basically completely relaxed aside from the flexors moving the ring and index fingers. (Your arm, on the other hand, should be doing all the work.) You know that thing you might've done as a kid where you pretend your hand is a little person where two fingers are legs? Basically, your hand should act like a little man marching in place very fast. His body doesn't move, but his legs do for him to walk. (that might sound ridiculous but it's the best way I can think of to put it).
@bobth609511 күн бұрын
@@bobth6095 if i just move my fingers then my wrist doesn't move at all. I don't understand how the arm is supposed to play into this, do I move my whole arm up and down or what.
@uniter34311 күн бұрын
@@uniter343 I think a lot of people misworded it. Your wrist itself doesn't move, but the motion of tapping should mostly come from your wrist, not your fingers. You should feel a burn in your forearm if you're doing it correctly
@bobth609510 күн бұрын
Man I am 6800pp player and I have the same issue. I have 32 days in this game and my max bpm is around 170 which I can tap continuously. I fkn love stream maps, I played it a lot, I tried all the tapping techniques, I can switch between alt, singletap with each finger, singletap stream maps, I have very strong aim that I am playing relax better than many 4 digit players, but all these skills can't help me improve, because I cant play fast maps. I feel hurt every map with bpm higher than 160 and the reason is my left hand is just wrong. I advise you to leave the game because it can be same for you. Don't waste your time bro.
@kuromii772312 күн бұрын
i'm the same just playing for years yet cant move fingers as fast as some newbies. asd causes worse dexterity so maybe we got that.
@Al-tt6tj12 күн бұрын
Wait that's low key possible, i have (and had) some signs of ASD
@uniter34312 күн бұрын
try to tap lighter, dont tense your hand and you should be able to stream atleast 180
@bendinosaur182112 күн бұрын
There are couple of things that I'd like to discuss First, you are underestimating your skill. This osu stream benchmark is useless, since it doesn't really showcase your osu skills. There you overfocus on getting the bpm as high as possible, whereas in osu you are clicking to a certain rhythm that is defined by the map. Also, as the website lacks visual cues, you are doomed to overthink your tapping. Even in this video you've shown 170~ bpm maps with 8-16 note bursts that you managed to hit perfectly. In 140 bpm long stream clip, I could see that you have stamina for it, but fingerlock and fail to consistently hit it. That is not about your stamina, that's about your fingercontrol. So don't make this mistake of feeling overwhelmed for no reason. Second, be real, you are not giving it your all. What I assume your are doing is play some maps that exhaust or inflict pain upon your hands. But that's not everything when talking about improving at streams. You need to step out of your comfort zone to improve: you must learn fingercontrol, you must learn deathstreaming, you must learn speed, you must learn low ar, because each of this aspect has an impact on your perception of streams. And by learning I mean finding good ways to improve that work for you, not simply sticking to things that don't work for you because someone did that before. Try and journal different routines, so that you could evidently see your results. It might be exhausting and tedious, but oh man there's no easy road to being good. Besides that, your physical and mental health in conjunction play a big role. Make sure you have a good night sleep, have a good hygiene (as it improves your self esteem and overall happiness) and try to lower your stress (e.g. don't postpone your school/college assignments, instead postpone osu to make gaming experience more rewarding and chill 😇). As the last resort, hire a good coach like ryuk that would teach you through, give you good maps and advice. I bet you haven't given it your all yet, so it's up to you whether or not you will. Third, ask yourself what this game mean to you. Maybe you are using osu as an escapism mechanism and don't really enjoy the game, but run from the problems in your life, or maybe your are lead by feeling of conquer (trying to overcome some other player), which might also mislead you into thinking that you like the game. I'm not saying that any of these must take place, but that you should think whether or not you really enjoy the game and have the motivation, as the motivation is the primary factor on the road to great improvement. Based on your current bottleneck, I would suggest you to play marathon maps with 140-160 bpm where streams are not simply square. That's where you must practice to overcome fingerlock and come up with the technique for hitting long streams consistently. This must be uncomfortable and irritating, and when you'll first feel like it really is, that's a good sign of improvement. This might help your to improve at overall streaming. Personally, after practicing low bpm stream maps for 30-60 minutes, I would feel my long stream stamina rising by 15-20 bpm easily, even though the bpm is low (the reason being it's all about overcoming fingerlock and having a consistent technique). But you can't neglect your speed as well. Play maps that have bursts 10-20 bpm higher than your comfortable bpm. You must feel sourness in your hands but not sharp pain. Sourness is a good sign. Try both of these routines consistently for a week or two and you'll surely notice some results
@hesik346111 күн бұрын
Stop focusing on stream speed and work on your stream aim is what I did. My stream speed went from around 170 to ~180 after about a month. For you, lower bpm streams like blue zenith +ht, ascension to heaven +ht, and sidetracked day +ht would work. Also, if you have your fingers hover around the actuation point instead of bottoming out fully, your speed will improve, at the cost of unstable rate. When bottoming out, I can do around 175-180, but when not doing so, I can stream 190+ bpm playing lots of finger control can also help, and you seem to have decent unstable rate while streaming, at least in the stream speed tester I'm rank 340k btw
@arcturus259912 күн бұрын
I was just like you can now i can do 260 bpm bursts so just play lots of stream maps and push your speed
@B..066412 күн бұрын
You don't think there's something wrong with my tapping style?
@uniter34312 күн бұрын
@@uniter343 tl;dr tap lighter plz not at all, the only issue i see is that you need to tap much lighter. when you're doing jumps it seems fine, but once you get to a stream which may become too fast for you, it looks like you're tensing too much because your whole arm starts to move but if rotating your wrist around is the most comfortable for you, then that's fine. just be aware that you'll probably have a higher risk of injuries, and that you don't want to push yourself too hard..
@nishiko2812 күн бұрын
ig the problem is ur switches
@hilstrip361112 күн бұрын
You tap too hard and your middle finger keeps touching the S key Stop That.
@zoahll954711 күн бұрын
looks fine to me cause you only show good clips.
@asteroise746910 күн бұрын
You're not tensing your arm enough. Simple problem, simple fix. You should try playing some stream practice maps and just tense your arm as hard as you can while streaming. This will train the muscles in your arm and after a few months, your speed should be way better.
@deidara695812 күн бұрын
You want to stay relaxed tf. Tensing up will make it worse (Can say from past issues)
@Positian12 күн бұрын
for the most part, non tensed is what you want your hand to be to comfortably stream the bpm, tensing your hand means you have to work extra hard to stream more than your comfortable, streaming in part is kind of like progressive overload, tl;dr play maps where you have to slightly tense your hand and push that, after a while your non tensed bpm goes up
@fatfartingcow12 күн бұрын
@@Positian which stream players don't tense up their arm?
@nesto988912 күн бұрын
@@nesto9889 tensing a bit is fine, but he said to tender as hard as you can, idk man that would cause a lot of pain
@Positian12 күн бұрын
@@nesto9889 you are not purposefully tensing your arm when doing streams, that is stupid you tense your arms accordingly to how fast you are streaming. ideally you want to be as relaxed as possible when doing streams as this will give you more control, tensing should be subconscious
@nishiko2812 күн бұрын
do you happen to be wearing 10 pound weights on your fingers?
@mravocadothx11 күн бұрын
By bottoming out on your keypad, you will never go faster. Tapping softer and not harder can also give you more speed
Hello, 1.6k speed stamina player here. I'd like to share my experience of improving in these areas. When I was at around 200k, I came across a video about the khz method for playing long stream maps, and I started spamming that particular map relentlessly. I began at 140 BPM and achieved around 36% accuracy with only a 150 combo. I kept playing the map using No Fail (NF), even when my fingers started hurting (I know this was not a good approach). However, after a while, I noticed that when my stamina ran out, I could tap lighter to the point where you could barely hear it, and I could still continue. By doing this a few times, I improved my combo. I prioritized increasing my combo rather than focusing on accuracy. I also would play 4-5* low bpm finger control map with NF that i couldn't pass. Based on my experience, I believe that if your tapping is already comfortable for you, there is no need to change your tapping style. However, you can try tapping lighter (although I know this is easier said than done) and find a comfortable balance between the lightness of your taps and the speed you're aiming for. I might not be able to explain it well to others, but I'm sharing what I've experienced. For me, the main factor in improvement was motivation to keep playing. In the past, I would have sessions where I pushed my skill limit by playing higher star-rated maps (at least those where I could achieve a B rank), rather than attempting maps I couldn't handle (resulting in D ranks). also if you're stuck just try playing other type of map for some session to have fun, with that you would not get demotivated playing the game, hope this helps.
Motivation is definitely a HUGE factor in improvement. I hit a hard plateau for about a year and just couldn't see any improvement (and at times it felt like I was getting worse, despite playing nearly every day). Decided to drop the maps I was grinding and retry spamming on, tried different style maps, stopped caring about pp, and even moved over to osu!lazer for all the customizability and fun mods. I'm still terrible at low AR, but I at least feel like I've improved at least a little in all the areas I had been stagnating in before.
Thank you for the advice I am following the khz method right now but I was very worried bc in the 140 bpm I couldn’t get more than 60% of acc I am going to try some finger control maps now, could you send the link of some plz
You are the goat for making a video like this and reaching out to the community for advice. Videos like these not only help you, but also everyone who takes the time to implement some of your thinking in their own game. I hope you achieve your goal soon, sadly I am not good enough to give you legitimate personalized advice on tapping technique.
Don't give up man I've felt discouraged a bit in the past 2 years after about 4 injuries and things in my life that halted my improvement for many months but I know that eventually, I will be back to my best so just keep working at it. I am currently out of playing for a few months so who knows?
i hope you can recover from this if you quit like this, this will be the worst anime ending i have seen in a long while im serious here i feel terible for you. i can't really stream tbh so i have no advice im sure the community will help you gl
i play mania only so know nothing about aim, but I think i figured out what's off about your tapping. Your middle finger is constantly hitting your middle key when you're streaming and I'm pretty sure that's not good technique; at least, when I try allowing my middle finger down I fingerlock almost instantly (and I can stream like 230bpm index-middle, burst like 280). I searched up some KZhead videos of top index-ring players like Vaxei and BTMC and they all see to have the middle finger floating as well. The main thing is that your normal alting seems fine on jumps, but the moment you switch to streams your entire hand position changes and it's kinda too flat and also definitely an unnatural position for you. (See 4:02 for a prime example of this.) My advice: try to consciously keep your middle finger from hitting that key. One way you might practice this is by holding down your D key and tapping your A key without letting go of D repeatedly (making sure your middle finger doesn't hit the S key). This should help develop finger independence (since you are hitting middle+ring together). The end goal is essentially to prevent your hand position from changing so much between alting and tapping (at least for now, later when you have fully developed your tapping technique you can do funky stuff like BTMC does lol). Also, typical advice of keeping your hand relaxed goes too. You don't want it flopping around like a fish at 4:05
your middle finger hitting the middle key isn't really a limiting factor. it actually helps some people stablise their tapping when playing index ring by subconsciously keeping their middle finger on a key, including me (if you want an actually good player as an example, thekushmanvan also does this)
@@nishiko28 Okay, so I've looked at thekushmanvan's handcam and there's a very important difference. thekushmanvan's tapping doesn't bottom out the middle key when it's hit; that is, even though kush's middle finger is hitting the center key, he clearly still has control of his tapping. But what we see in the above video is that the player is nearly bottoming out the middle key quite often. Not only that, but kush's tapping doesn't even hit the middle key when he's streaming, it only does when he's alting normally, whereas this player is basically the opposite. The reason the middle key is bottoming out is because of bad technique. The player in the above video needs to make sure that their hand does not suddenly flatten when they are streaming (which it does very clearly at 4:04) because that just causes a lot of finger tension. What he needs to do instead is stream with his fingers in a very natural position, like how you'd rest your fingers on the home row of a keyboard. You shouldn't feel any tension whatsoever in the hand or fingers. The only hand muscle you are consciously activating is flexors (joint muscles) at the base of the finger.
honestly just scratch my original comment, I think I figured out the real problem in writing my reply, it does a better job at explaining the problem. I hope OP (@uniter343, that is) reads this cause it seems like I'm one of the few comments addressing problems with the issues of technique. Comments that just say to play harder/more maps don't really help if after playing 1355 hours OP still can't improve because that most likely means there is a technical issue at play rather than one of raw skill pushing
at this point u should try switching ur dominant hand to tap bro it only took me 1.5 month for my aim to become as good as it was before switch maybe better in some pattern since aiming in this game is mostly reading for me unlike writing with ur non dominant hand btw before switch I couldn't even do 20 notes 170bpm stream and now I can do 230-250bpm deathstream for like 500 notes without any warmups
I actually wouldn't recommend that. It depends on who it is for the most part. Switching hands for tapping shouldn't matter, unless one of the hands is substantially stronger than the other at just about everything.
I had this issue when I was a full alt player. I recommend practicing singletap (remember to use your wrist), that helped me immensely. Not full alting also improved my "tapping consistency on long stream sections but worsened my fingercontrol (triples, doubles etc..). I'm pretty sure that Flyingtuna also improved at speed by doing a routine of singletapping 500 clicks before and after they played with each finger. Remember to also play maps that are barely above your speed skill level so you can feel the burn, and don't tense up any fingers for speed, that will come bite you in the butt in the future.
I have seen lots of people talk about tapping with their wrist, but I can't seem to grasp what they mean when saying that... Also I'd really like to keep playing full alt, do you think practicing single tapping without actually using it in gameplay could still be beneficial?
@@uniter343 tapping with your wrist means moving your whole wrist to singletap rather than just your fingers, it's almost always faster
@@uniter343 i mean i'm used to be a full alt player. But some times actually playing farm map with single tap will be beneficial. Before i can barely stream 170 when only focusing on alternate. but when i try to single tap for one week it actually improve burst speed a lot. Just try for 1 months and see what you got. if you don't think it works switch back!
@@uniter343 i use my elbow and wrist to single tap, watch lifeline's tutorial and see if it works for u. you should learn it because playing low bpm is harder to finger control with alt once u get faster and alting below a certain threshold is inefficient you can still alt higher bpm though
Flyingtuna had good technique for speed, he just never capitalized on it (he is a bad example of speed improvement)
When you tap, do your fingers lock? Not mentally but literally? Cuz when I realized my right hand can stream faster than my left hand, it's cuz my right hand doesn't feel any "locked" feeling caused by tendons whereas my left hand does. My left hand ring finger doesn't move the same way as my right hand ring finger
Other comments here have some good advice but I want to give my take also. Find a technique that prioritizes speed over everything even if it’s not comfortable and use it until it becomes normal. Try anything and everything to prioritize speed and technique and comfort will come with time. This is how I became pretty good at speed. For low bpm long streams try modifying your technique to tap harder and play even lower bpm. I kind of suck at long streams and low bpm but through tapping harder and playing lower bpm I feel like I’m getting more consistent at it at least.
first, your tapping is pretty decent for your rank already i think focusing on your aim and consistency will be better play mid to high 6 stars or 5 stars with hr to push your other skills instead of focusing on the fact that you cant do some 5 stars, since some 5 stars are extremely difficult your tapping will improve along with your other skillsets (big value) Also, do not feel bad, I had to play bluenation, blue army, other 160-180bpm maps with NF for months before being able to do them with B rank (this was also like rank 20k lol) I think the key is to keep trying your best even if you dont have stamina anymore and you are only getting 100s 50s and misses if you feel burn that means its working take breaks in between tries and stretch hands your tapping skill plummets every time you take a break too, but it comes back within a week or two of playing good luck!
i have this issue as a left hander. When i use tablet i tap with my right hand and i can only tap 170bpm MAX, but got to #5954 with aim. i just transitioned to mouse because i can tap 270bpm and stream 230 fairly easily.
I recommand you raise your palm up away from the table, streams are not pressing but releasing your finger from keys actually.
just go ham and see how much you can do. I did that and then started brute forcing my way through it by playing 200 and above stream maps. I can burst stream 250 now and stream moderately longer streams at 200 to 220 bpm maps i tap the same way you do.
at least u have good unstable rate
damn, i was there 3 years ago, now i can (kinda) stream 170. i fc'ed the long stream practice 160bpm diff with 96 acc and 170 with 87 last month (and i barely play this month smh). i wasn't playing as much as you so it took me some time, but i think you can improve faster than me. anyway here are some suggestions (and some might be objective) 1. try not to life your fingers too high up, it will drain your stamina faster. i found myself more comfortable playing streams and bursts after fixing it. 2. just remember to warm up before playing 3. try not to tense up when playing stream (unfortunately you have to figure it out yourself, but that moment when you can stream without tensing up, it feels great! maybe start with bursts first and then move on to longer ones) 4. this one is for long stream practice maps, make the unstable rate bar bigger, you can use that to track how fast or slow you are tapping (i'm guessing you knew this already). when you are behind rhythm, relax your hand because tensing up will make you lose stamina even more (apparently i always tense up here smh, but sometimes i manage to relax and it helped) 5. remember to take breaks and don't play too much in 1 session, i knew this in my head but took it too lightly and hurted my arms a few times. this one too, you will have to figure out yourself when to stop anyway gl improving, ask me anything you don't understand or disagree with (or uh.....well...watch spare's video on how to improve speed and stamina, it has all the tips you need, the rest is just figure out your own technique and refine it) also take all of this with a grain of salt, i'm only 56k-ish and not that good at stream
You might wanna play around with positioning and natural ranges of motion. Find the sweet spot in your switches and generally hover around there as well. You want to try to put in the least amount of effort for the most output. That being said, you can go faster if you push a bit, but you need stamina before you can. Also, while it's mostly preference, play around with wrist positioning. In general, even for mania players, the options are either wrist down or up. Despite maybe better finger control, lower wrist isn't as advantageous when you consider how things push and pull on each other in your forearm. On the topic of that, you wanna generally feel it in your forearm because that's where most of the power and stamina come from. I moved my arm positioning to be somewhat similar to the angle drummers have to take full advantage of it and I had a huge jump in stamina and speed from it. To put it simply, wrist up, lighter tapping, and consistent practice of stamina before speed. It would be a good idea to look into spare's streaming stuff. For drummer technique, it's a bit different from most drummers, but I got my speed from watching Riccardo Merlini's guides for his one handed stroke techniques.
is there a reason u play ring index? i also played ring index back then because vaxei did, but realized its not for me 2 years later. u should change something up since it looks like you aren't comfy with your tapping right now
Can you reply to this comment if you ever find something that works for you? I have the same issue and don't know how to fix it 😭
Most important thing would be to push yourself more, play stream practice maps with hundreds of notes long streams even if you have to push through them with 60% acc (in the video you played a diff that was too easy for you, I suggest higher bpm). Once you find yourself in a position where you have to pull through a few notes more you will find what position works for you. Playing streams until you can no more will help you build up stamina but a lot of players ignore that and instead play what is comfortable for them. There is a step going from below 180 bpm to above 180 bpm because that is where streaming begins for most people (at least I think so). It looks like you are trying to tap the streams (as if they were individual notes like jumps) and your finger control is not very good looking by unstable rate. You are changing position of your fingers a lot when tapping and that is unnecessary movement that is making you less consistent. When I stream I would often arch one finger more than the other but I don't use ring finger, maybe try arching both of them less and move your hand further away since you are full alt anyway.
Can you try to raise your wrist or incorporate more wrist and arm muscle?
For example, aetrna's technique video. Not that I can get any close to his speed, but his technique. You can see him tapping with his arm and wrist (singletap) and raise his wrist streaming.
Your thumb placement is also important. Some top players said that putting your thumb curled unde your hand can help you get more speed/ make it more comfortable. Upto how the person hand placement is really.
May I ask for maps? I want to practice 😉 Thank you
I am just a 2k pp noob. My suggestions might be subjective. 1. Please use your middle finger instead of your ring finger. They are physically weak and hard to lift up. By contrast, your middle one will be more powerful. 2. Try to tap lighter so as to keep your stamina. 3. It is said that practicing at a suitable bpm rather than pushing yourself to your limits is better, and the stability is more important than speed. Constant practice is also crucial. To me, my stamina is not enough and my fingers are uncontrollable while playing. Hope this help.
try to press the key more lightly not to lift your finger off the keycap
It's a bit hard to tell from your hand cam, but it seems like you are tensing your wrist too much. Try focusing on keeping your hand / wrist as relaxed as possible when playing streams. Find a way to comfortably offload the strain somewhere else (in my case its my forearm). You may feel a slight burn like you would when working out at the gym, this is a good thing and helps build your muscles which eventually will cause a gain of speed. Be careful though, if you feel any pain at all your technique is bad and you will need to do some more theory crafting with it. GL!
Sadly I have no idea how offloading the strain would work.
@@uniter343 It's def something you have to experiment and get a feel of, for now I would just work on staying as relaxed as possible. Also another thing that help me was practicing various different burst lengths of the bpm you are trying to achieve. For example: triples, quads, quints, 8 note bursts, then eventually you work up to longer streams.
@@uniter343 Your finger should be basically completely relaxed aside from the flexors moving the ring and index fingers. (Your arm, on the other hand, should be doing all the work.) You know that thing you might've done as a kid where you pretend your hand is a little person where two fingers are legs? Basically, your hand should act like a little man marching in place very fast. His body doesn't move, but his legs do for him to walk. (that might sound ridiculous but it's the best way I can think of to put it).
@@bobth6095 if i just move my fingers then my wrist doesn't move at all. I don't understand how the arm is supposed to play into this, do I move my whole arm up and down or what.
@@uniter343 I think a lot of people misworded it. Your wrist itself doesn't move, but the motion of tapping should mostly come from your wrist, not your fingers. You should feel a burn in your forearm if you're doing it correctly
Man I am 6800pp player and I have the same issue. I have 32 days in this game and my max bpm is around 170 which I can tap continuously. I fkn love stream maps, I played it a lot, I tried all the tapping techniques, I can switch between alt, singletap with each finger, singletap stream maps, I have very strong aim that I am playing relax better than many 4 digit players, but all these skills can't help me improve, because I cant play fast maps. I feel hurt every map with bpm higher than 160 and the reason is my left hand is just wrong. I advise you to leave the game because it can be same for you. Don't waste your time bro.
i'm the same just playing for years yet cant move fingers as fast as some newbies. asd causes worse dexterity so maybe we got that.
Wait that's low key possible, i have (and had) some signs of ASD
try to tap lighter, dont tense your hand and you should be able to stream atleast 180
There are couple of things that I'd like to discuss First, you are underestimating your skill. This osu stream benchmark is useless, since it doesn't really showcase your osu skills. There you overfocus on getting the bpm as high as possible, whereas in osu you are clicking to a certain rhythm that is defined by the map. Also, as the website lacks visual cues, you are doomed to overthink your tapping. Even in this video you've shown 170~ bpm maps with 8-16 note bursts that you managed to hit perfectly. In 140 bpm long stream clip, I could see that you have stamina for it, but fingerlock and fail to consistently hit it. That is not about your stamina, that's about your fingercontrol. So don't make this mistake of feeling overwhelmed for no reason. Second, be real, you are not giving it your all. What I assume your are doing is play some maps that exhaust or inflict pain upon your hands. But that's not everything when talking about improving at streams. You need to step out of your comfort zone to improve: you must learn fingercontrol, you must learn deathstreaming, you must learn speed, you must learn low ar, because each of this aspect has an impact on your perception of streams. And by learning I mean finding good ways to improve that work for you, not simply sticking to things that don't work for you because someone did that before. Try and journal different routines, so that you could evidently see your results. It might be exhausting and tedious, but oh man there's no easy road to being good. Besides that, your physical and mental health in conjunction play a big role. Make sure you have a good night sleep, have a good hygiene (as it improves your self esteem and overall happiness) and try to lower your stress (e.g. don't postpone your school/college assignments, instead postpone osu to make gaming experience more rewarding and chill 😇). As the last resort, hire a good coach like ryuk that would teach you through, give you good maps and advice. I bet you haven't given it your all yet, so it's up to you whether or not you will. Third, ask yourself what this game mean to you. Maybe you are using osu as an escapism mechanism and don't really enjoy the game, but run from the problems in your life, or maybe your are lead by feeling of conquer (trying to overcome some other player), which might also mislead you into thinking that you like the game. I'm not saying that any of these must take place, but that you should think whether or not you really enjoy the game and have the motivation, as the motivation is the primary factor on the road to great improvement. Based on your current bottleneck, I would suggest you to play marathon maps with 140-160 bpm where streams are not simply square. That's where you must practice to overcome fingerlock and come up with the technique for hitting long streams consistently. This must be uncomfortable and irritating, and when you'll first feel like it really is, that's a good sign of improvement. This might help your to improve at overall streaming. Personally, after practicing low bpm stream maps for 30-60 minutes, I would feel my long stream stamina rising by 15-20 bpm easily, even though the bpm is low (the reason being it's all about overcoming fingerlock and having a consistent technique). But you can't neglect your speed as well. Play maps that have bursts 10-20 bpm higher than your comfortable bpm. You must feel sourness in your hands but not sharp pain. Sourness is a good sign. Try both of these routines consistently for a week or two and you'll surely notice some results
Stop focusing on stream speed and work on your stream aim is what I did. My stream speed went from around 170 to ~180 after about a month. For you, lower bpm streams like blue zenith +ht, ascension to heaven +ht, and sidetracked day +ht would work. Also, if you have your fingers hover around the actuation point instead of bottoming out fully, your speed will improve, at the cost of unstable rate. When bottoming out, I can do around 175-180, but when not doing so, I can stream 190+ bpm playing lots of finger control can also help, and you seem to have decent unstable rate while streaming, at least in the stream speed tester I'm rank 340k btw
I was just like you can now i can do 260 bpm bursts so just play lots of stream maps and push your speed
You don't think there's something wrong with my tapping style?
@@uniter343 tl;dr tap lighter plz not at all, the only issue i see is that you need to tap much lighter. when you're doing jumps it seems fine, but once you get to a stream which may become too fast for you, it looks like you're tensing too much because your whole arm starts to move but if rotating your wrist around is the most comfortable for you, then that's fine. just be aware that you'll probably have a higher risk of injuries, and that you don't want to push yourself too hard..
ig the problem is ur switches
You tap too hard and your middle finger keeps touching the S key Stop That.
looks fine to me cause you only show good clips.
You're not tensing your arm enough. Simple problem, simple fix. You should try playing some stream practice maps and just tense your arm as hard as you can while streaming. This will train the muscles in your arm and after a few months, your speed should be way better.
You want to stay relaxed tf. Tensing up will make it worse (Can say from past issues)
for the most part, non tensed is what you want your hand to be to comfortably stream the bpm, tensing your hand means you have to work extra hard to stream more than your comfortable, streaming in part is kind of like progressive overload, tl;dr play maps where you have to slightly tense your hand and push that, after a while your non tensed bpm goes up
@@Positian which stream players don't tense up their arm?
@@nesto9889 tensing a bit is fine, but he said to tender as hard as you can, idk man that would cause a lot of pain
@@nesto9889 you are not purposefully tensing your arm when doing streams, that is stupid you tense your arms accordingly to how fast you are streaming. ideally you want to be as relaxed as possible when doing streams as this will give you more control, tensing should be subconscious
do you happen to be wearing 10 pound weights on your fingers?
By bottoming out on your keypad, you will never go faster. Tapping softer and not harder can also give you more speed