CJR ELECTRICAL Rewire of the shocking installation flat !!!
2019 ж. 16 Сәу.
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Welcome back to the shocking installation flat. Shall we rewire it?
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To save all the comments kitchen is now on a 32amp ring-main.
CJR ELECTRICAL 😂 sorry mate, my comment was questioning why it wouldnt trip and wondering what your calculations were, more than saying what your doing is wrong! Hope that makes sense Keep up your good work i enjoy watching your videos and learning new tips and tricks 😊
I often put a couple of radials in kitchens and never have any problems.
Is it lightbulbs or lamps lol.@@codenamenel
@@codenamenel Really ,come on !
You liked your own comment 😂
I feel so sorry for the woman who owns this flat, she has been well and truly shafted!
It's so nice to see your profession pride, keep up the good work
Great video again - I'm amazed at how you are turning this cowboy job into a proper one - keep the videos coming!
Big job to take on, hope the client is paying you properly for this one!
I'm by no means an electrician at all, but it was extremely satisfying to see you go through the video in detail and see how you thought of things. Thank you for the great video sir!
Great video once again you can tell you take pride in your work and job by the way you reacted in the last vid and the way you did the job in this vid!👍👍
just finishing a rewire in a small house never seen so many jb’s and taped up live ends scary how many houses are left like this for years ( great job dude enjoying watching through your content) 👍
Hat off to you Chris that job looks a nightmare, you made a decent job of it aswel!!
Kudos to you Chris. You are a man that takes pride in your work. Would that more people were as conscientious as you. I haven't done a job as big as this refit yet as I'm still relatively new to the industry, but rest assured I shall be following your lead and example when I do. To the cowboy that did this... you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. Better that you had no knowledge of electrical installations at all, than a little knowledge. Because you've no doubt walked away from the job thinking it was 'okay', because things 'worked'. It was fortuitous that no-one was injured, or worse. A big 👍🏻from me Chris.
@@rickybeans8504 true... he may well do... but he'll have to forget everything he thinks he knows now... and he'll always have that nagging small voice in his head, 'Do you know... that job I did was awful. I hope no-one's been injured, or worse'.
What a job m8...and all on your own... well done
I know you did this in 2019. Saw this vid and the other one before it. I'm so glad you were able to fix this place. Very nice.
Glad your doing a decent job. It might save someone life.👍👍👍
well done CJR ELECTRICAL i love our videos keep up the good work up and hope to see more soon but dont rush the videos
Can’t win more more more but don’t rush 🤣
It's a lot of work to do things the right way. Good job 👍
It’s a lot easier before the referb..
I've got a headache now... :-) I'm surprised you accepted this job. You're a nice bloke!
That lady is lucky she got a decent Sparkie such as yourself. 👍
Amazing. Thank God she finally got someone who knew their shit to do it correctly as it should of been done to start with.
Bloody hell i saw the first video, I have been doing Electronics for years plus i have bit of knowledge with 220v/240v this is shocking work who ever did the first job was a complete cowboy!!
Mental ! Even as a plumber you can see what a brodge this was . Cowboys laughing all the way to the bank .. Good work and good Vids 😁
That extractor just sitting there exhausting into the cabinet...
And the outside wall is right there... Thank god someone got the idea to ask a proffesional.
I know someone who had the extractor go into the wall, but there was no exit! It was literally blowing into the wall cavity :D
'kin hell man! The state of the wiring before you started was absolutely shocking (no pun intended). Had if stayed like that, the flat warming party would've been quite hot. Anyways....job done! Nice one :)
You do come across some crap work fella, but you're the man! Keep up with the good work. 👍
That looks terrifying and I am a plasterer!!
Just watched the first part of this video and I’d like to say you know your stuff I’d gladly hire you if I were in the area you take great care in what you do
@cjrelectrical try a tenby rapid earth bond clamp for the main water bond brilliant as you can attach the cable and clip them on in tight spaces and tighten them with one hand.
I thoroughly enjoy your backing track too man, good taste 😁👍👌
That looked like my blood pressure.... Fing terrible. Glad you were able to fix that house of horrors.
Watched literally all your vids mate very helpful and great to learn from, I'm 17 and doing an apprenticeship to be a electrician on my first year well close to finishing my first year of my course now and it's amazing to have other help from people like you on the internet! Keep up the great stuff mate👍🏼
An electrocution? The word is electromagician!
My mad meant electrician
Unfortunately I can relate. I've had a few of these jobs. Good vids.
Videos are good btw keep it up
As for cutting off the plug on devices, most manuals I have seen for products with a hard wired plugs state that if the plug is incorrect for your country/outlet then an appropriate one should be fitted, some of the time it even includes a wiring diagram.
so many things to remember, i didn't know the electrician job was so complex
Another question. You say you filled the dud backing box holes with foam. How were they finished? I'd have taken them out, filled them in with compound (maybe something like plasterboard adhesive) and then patch skimmed them.
Imagine watching this back thinking... fuck that’s my job lol
Good job👍🏼
Lol I seen a lose power outlet being used as extension cord so much lol at my work it was used for connecting a water heater to it was also laying loosely under the kitchen cabinets
Ps love the channel. You are an apprentice's dream. Shame i'm 33.
Always nice to see what #sparkies do...
I can't see why people bodge things so badly when with very little effort they can do at least a half decent job of it.
I actually find it harder to bodge a job than do it properly. How can you possibly get a sense of satisfaction from it, if you bodge! it! A good many of us thankfully, do the job properly.
@@sheargill3029 Source of satisfaction: "it works! It might be a fire trap, but it works!". Seriously, though, i'm all with you.... it takes a certain kind of idiot to bodge electrics that badly... even though I don't work in the field, i've seen bodge jobs much worse than that.... at least the flat renovation crew didn't use paper masking tape to connect wires...
I generally find it might take half an hour extra to do the job to a “tradesman like standard” not that seems to mean much these days to some. It is nice to be able to stand back from a job and know it works, meets standards and looks good as well.
Sadly, not everyone knows what a good job is - the thing about idiots is they don't know they are idiots
People have the mindset that if you cant see it and it's working just fine at that exact moment, they could care less
All great. I only have one question. Why do you do isolation for fridge, washing machine etc? I can understand cooker isolator, but also unnecesary to me, if I want to isolate cooker i can isolate in the board can't I? And with fridge and washer, why would you ever need to isolate it, its just a socket outlet, My kettle is about 2KW and i dont have isolation switch for it. Again if I need to isolate washer, i will turn power off in the kitchen. Extention leeds exist if needed, I can take power off another room What you think?
I’ve been watching you for a while. The standard of these dodgy installs is so much higher than the standard where I currently live in the Middle East.
Same is probably true for Russia. I've been watching a lot of electrical videos from there recently... shocking! Older wiring isn't earthed at all, aluminium wire all over the place, combined meter enclosure/CU that obviously never had any covers, bare terminals all over the place where Joe Average has to reset the tripped MCB. Apparently they've got a bit of an issue with power quality too since almost every new CU contains some quirky automatic over/under-voltage cutout.
@@Ragnar8504 Al wire isn't inherently bad - it's widely used for large-gauge service and transmission lines - it just requires more care. Sadly, "more care" is rather the opposite of what you get from those who try to save a bit on the material bill by using Al instead of Cu.
@@Azlehria Exactly, especially in those videos. Most of the time the wires are just twisted and taped together (appears to have been the method of choice in Hungary too, I've never seen a pre-1990s installation that didn't have twisted and taped splices). Besides, from what I've read 2.5 mm2 Al has the nasty habit of breaking at the slightest bend, at least the alloys commonly used behind the Iron Curtain and during WWII. On the plus side, the Hungarians did earth everything pretty much from the 1950s onwards, PME supplies. Most other countries under Soviet influence either didn't earth at all or used TN-C throughout, i.e. PEN in all final circuits and jumpers between neutral and earth at every socket and light. That gets pretty nasty if the PEN breaks. To be fair, that system was pretty common in Western Germany, Austria and Switzerland too.
Thing of beauty mate. While your at it with those chases maybe chase that dodgy builder for some comp for the customer 😂. But good stuff mate, just cant understand how someone could have a clear conscience doing that shit.
The problem is Buddy, that they most likely DO have a clear conscience because they're simply ignorant of what is required and oblivious to the consequences. Either that, or they have had their conscience seared and, quite frankly, don't give a shit (pardon my French)! Whichever way you cut it... you've a disaster waiting to happen. She can thank the Lord she came across someone like Chris that was able to rectify that crock-pot and not another chancer that would bodge even more!
Top video 👍
Got to say I'm kind of impressed with that 10mm 😂
When wiring smoke detectors I always run 3 core and earth from the board as It allows you to run in additional detectors at some future point as it allows you to interconnect in the board.
What do you do with the spare core in the board , just label it up and earth it ? Or wago it / connector ?
Terminate into a wago and label it as interconnector .@@stevebrindley
@@johndufton9686 i took mine of the local lighting circuit 1 per floor 30 years ago now its.... and or ...i then met a woman and was with her 17 years and when the smoke alarms went off she would yake the batterys out and turn off at the board i worked nights ....i went mad kill someone else not me so off the local lighting circuit has its advantages im still here
Great video
Very good! Smart and informative
Plenty of fun and games
18:22 In these cases it's pretty common practice in hungary to leave a box screwed on the wall or in a cabinet, add a screw type cable gland and leave a flex on it with a wander socket on it. Not sure about UK regs but maybe you could even get away with a 1.5 flex if you come out of a 10 or 13 amp fused spur? That would be a neat solution, because you could thread the cable through a 10mm hole, 8mm if you really want to make it tight by using YSLY-JB 3x1.5 but tell me if that's against something over there
It really fascinates me how different electrical is in the uk. In North America we use 120v outlets so kitchen counter plugs all ways get 2) 20Amp plugs on 1 circuit max.
Brilliant
When the plumber does the electrical.. lol! That is terrible.. No wait, a plumber would do a much better job on the conduit.
I hope the "builders" that left the flat in that state didn't get paid for that mess.
i bet they did and i bet the home owner now scrutinizes his bill !!! and asks why he has charged so much or why did they need new consumer unit etc
Try the Legrand earth clamps if you haven’t already, quick twist on and tighten, done in seconds ( no tin bands to try and pull tight ) 👌👌
Great tip. Just looked them up. Why use normal earth clamps which are so fiddly and need like 3 tools to fit
Good video mate, nice to see it rewired.. personally i would have done a ring on the kitchen or separate radials for the appliances .. we all know what women are like.. stick every appliance on at once ... bloody multi taskers !!
Yeah kitchen now has a 32 amp ring main
defo put kitchen on a ring, also I'd run a separate supply for boiler
Cracking video Chris, that flat is the stuff of nightmares. Maybe im missing something Chris, but where is your young apprentice James.?
Good job
Wow trying to fix a cluster f do you have to have an inspector come in after check your work there are codes over there what they have to follow don't they I enjoy your work I used to build electrical control panels it's nice to see the other parts the trade oh the other thing do you have to be licensed to do the work you're doing thank you again and take care
This video is satisfying.
Nice vid 👍
Glad to see you sort the mess out for the owner. Wondering how much it costs her?
A lot of those extractors have a flat filter that goes in the gate for when you can’t vent them outside
Good to see you using radials. Hopefully, ring finals will be soon be gone.
Great job, way to analyze and fix the problems. Feel sorry for the owner. Does the owner have any recourse?
F.......k me that’s bad yin . 😫. Good job you sorted it 👍 good job.
Do you ever provide your customers with a cabling routing diagram (CU to rooms / sockets / lights) when you have done a rewire ? You've done a great job in getting the cables routed.
If they specifically want design then yes I can do that
Horrendous what was there before, good job fixing that mate
Hi mate, can't find the following video on this job. Does it have a total. Fantastic job again, your work is always fantastic and so neat. You are brilliant and obviously a perfectionist by nature.
Try a "Legrand Rapid Clamp 034385" for the bonding to the water, will be a lot easier than the banded clamps.
Great video it shows the standard of work which is out there I've seen worse though they should come with a do not use sign on them it's so bad these days someone's paid a lot of money for these cowboys
are you a fan of putting neutrals into the switches as per 559.5.1 p220 its a consideration to provision a neutral for future tech
Why didn’t you put a cooker switch and single socket combined for the oven and igniter? Would saved a bit of fiddley work getting the ring or radial up to a separate single
Easier to terminate into a double pattress as well 👍
You have it easy. in the states just about all residential wiring is stapled / fastened to the wall studs and most homes have a fire break in the walls so in order to rewire you have to open up walls unless you enjoy fighting a fishtape.. That dishwasher could you eliminate the wall socket pigtail and hard wire it into a junction box on it's own breaker, same for the vent fan above the cooktop or is that not allowed there?
You could wire it that way, but it is extra work which isn't needed, it's more of a common practice in mainland Europe though.
@@Saaj2 Here in the US it's common also unless you have one of those portable dish washers..
At 10.50 you can see how even the kitchen wall tiles are not all the same tone. I thought it might be an effect to mix colour tones but it can't be as the top rows are all the same tone. Seems like they used different batch numbers as all tiles are batched numbered so you use only one batch to ensure uniformity of colour tone
Fridge and Dishwasher get their own dedicated circuit? (I'm good at fishing through walls but this job makes you the King of cable fishing, I'd like to see you fish a cable or two since they look to be some challenging tasks...)
Hey my flat is over 120 years old the extractor don’t have a fan but the thing that makes the air exit there’s a socket there and it’s yellow and sticky because of over 70 years of oul
I think with the fridge and appliances, I would keep the plug top and just make a large enough hole in the side of the cupboard to feed the plug through and have it in socket. Because in future someone will change the fridge and then they will have another plug and then they'll have the same issue again. Just my 2pennies worth.
This is exactly how I did it. Accessible and easy to change the appliance if needs be.👍
If you've got the qualifications, and can produce an appropriate certificate, the warranty should still be valid. Even mentioning it in receipt.
just nice to someone who cares
i bet that stub of "live" cable had a nice scorch mark on the end of it
Was building control involved in this? That extractor....
Oh, cool. They let you rewire it. Smart choice. That was an accident waiting to happen before.
That's right mate definitely 👍
Who put the treated battens in?
Your videos are great mate I'm only 15 still at school i think I'm leaving at the end of 5th year and wanting to be a electrian what's the best thing to do??
Finish School man you have more choices if electrician doesnt work out for you
Hope the owner can recover some of the re work cost from the shisters who did the original wiring.
question: why in England u still using unique core power cable? i saw the ground earth was unique core. plus the "protection" pipe u placed below the kitchen, that wasn't rated to be within the wall? i mean im writing from italy, here plants have no loops but all radial i presume (not sure for the correct english naming) . Normally we have utility company meter that have inside an electronic breaker -> main panel box (incaming power supply MUST pass trough a differential breaker, then usually there are at least 2 main breakers: 1 for lights (10 A ) 1 for power (10A). that's the minimum. and ofc ground to ALL points were u connect anything to the power plant. normally u have a breaker line for AC one for the heater if is electric. on the plugs could be normative is different between Italy and Englad due i know u need a switch on boiler power socket, but not switch on every single socket. Sorry for my poor technical english, all is NOT to complain but to understand ;) Question out of electrical argument: due the hellish power cabling work, honestly for your opinion shouldnt a certified gas plumber check those pipes? couse due the quality of power wiring before your arrival, im honestly in HIGH alarm about gas piping. also, having the GAS meter INSIDE the building in italy is TOTALLY FORBIDDEN. in old houses they had to drill huge vents holes, but if there are rebuilding works the meter haveto be moved outside.
I watched your previous video on this flat. I wondered if you will be reporting this to trading standards or even then HSE/HSI? I'm not an elec-chicken so I don't know if this is super unsafe or just bad practice. I work in an inspection role and most regulations state things should be reported, even if its just to the original supplier/manufacturer. - Great job.
Not an electrician either (IT guy, so I know the basics of how electricity works)... but the installation as it was, was unsafe as hell... for starters, when mounting sockets, no copper is allowed to show behind the socket... much less are you allowed to mount ground wires to pipes like that dangly thing in the cupboard, since that can make the pipe "live" in case of shorts etc. Another reason is that the ground is commonly fed back through safety breakers (here every house must have a certain type of relay installed that trips if the ground and 0 sends too much or too little power back, provided the breakers can't handle it). So anything that used the "pipe" ground would not protect against shorts, lightning or electrocution properly. If that pipe was the gas mains, the whole flat could have potentially gone kablooey at first sign of lightning or a failure of a device. The cooking fan install was complete crap... Not only wasn't the exhaust connected to the outside, but grease and crud could have accumulated in the cupboard + socket and given yet another fire hazard... Not to mention that the unstable power he got out of the living room sockets would probably have fried any device plugged in to those sockets... if they would work at all in the first place. The bathroom install was in itself a pure joke... that's the last place you make that kind of installation. As for much of the rest.... not directly unsafe, but very unprofessional work that can reduce the longevity of the installation a lot.
Tools all over the customers quartz worktops nice...
Hard as nails
So you're running off of the one kitchen radial, a washing machine(or is it a dishwasher) a dryer, a boiler, a fridge and then a couple of double sockets with probably a toaster and kettle and who knows the occasional iron. Not sure I'd be happy with that! Id rather have the oven and fixed appliances on their own ring/radial and the sockets on their own.
That’s a fair point didn’t think about the iron. I will have a check tomorrow on loading and could still easily make it a 32 amp ring main if needs be.
Just seems a bit close to the line? I think you’re doing a fantastic job putting everything back together in a thorough and sane way for this person, I really wish their were some real consequences for the cowboys who did that awful work, hope the customer really appreciates your efforts!
top job. the other idiots need to named and shamed. i've seen some rough installs in my time but none quite as bad as this.
nice long video, prefer them
To be fair the chances of ever being in the kitchen while a load is in the washing machine and last nights dishes are in the dishwasher sipping a brew from the freshly boiled kettle with chilled milk poured straight from the fridge with the heating on max as you cook beans on toast for dinner with the extractor on catching up on the weeks ironing are pretty slim. I guess it is your duty as an installer to think of every eventuality for the modern multi tasking human. What if they like music too? Then you are really screwed..... Super work as always dude. :)
Peter Tallowin Peter did you see. that silicon they had spunked in the back of that conduit box lol 😂
Handyman special. See that shit work all the time where I live in the US
I've seen some reaaaly bad electrical installations in the us ;)
When you install the kitchen power and switch rear entry from the next room, and not in prescribed zone, steel conduit should be installed in wall and earthed
Read the onsite guide.
The regs and osg are just are not law, they’re guidelines, I think would a customer hanging a picture on the wall consider what was on the other side, no they’d think, this pic of my dog would look nice here !!!
Fortunately in this instance it’s in the bathroom both chases are next to the towel rail . Not leaving much room to put said picture up of the dog. If it would have maybe been a bedroom on the back wall instead then I most likely would have told the client kitchen tiles will need to come off.
Does the cast iron waste require bonding ?
Good work Chris, on the off chance did the client say how much she paid for the "electrical work" carried out by the last chap?
No and I’m still unsure who did it to.
I'm not an electrician but I got interested after watching the previous video of the terrible work that was done. Although some thing were obvious why it was wrong and you did explain them, others mistakes were not so clear and wasn't explained. So I continued watching to see the difference and figure out what was wrong but your language is highly specialised for your field and geared toward other electricians or people with knowledge of it. Your channel is obviously attracting the general public and striking interest but excluding them as your audience will very quickly cause them to lose their interest. To grow your channel, consider not-electricians who might be watching.
Look up John Ward or Tresham College on YT if you want terminology explained.
Great job! Question should cables be 50mm or greater under the battens or have safe plates. Something ive always done.
If this was a floor then yes stick to the regulations but as this is a low concrete ceiling with 30mm battens screwed to it it’s very hard to get the cables to sit at a depth of 50mm. I could screw some 3mm thick plates over the cables that pass through the timber but I think it’s a little overkill. Ceilings are not like walls not many people put random screws and hooks in ceiling to hang pictures .
How much did she have to pay to get it required? 20-25k?