Enhanced Interrogation Techniques | Mohamedou Ould Slahi | EP 195
This episode was recorded on June 7th 2021.
Dr Jordan Peterson’s guest Mohamedou Ould Slahi shares his experience with more than a decade of torture, interrogation and depression in Guantánamo Bay. Mohamedou starts with his childhood and guides us through his journey across Germany and Canada. The life-changing phone call and his hard-to-hear torture sessions are shared as he explains the change he experienced in his beliefs. Check out this episode to listen to how his 14 years of pain ended.
Mohamedou Ould Slahi was detained for 14 years at Guantanamo Bay detention camp without charge. Though the Mauritanian citizen continued journaling while imprisoned, the U.S. government declassified it. In January 2015, the diary became an international bestseller and a 2021 drama film titled “The Mauritanian”.
Read Mohemdou’s memoir: guantanamodiary.com/
Watch the trailer of The Mauritanian on: • The Mauritanian | Offi...
Follow Mohamedou on Twitter: / mohamedouould
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Shownotes
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[00:00] Intro
[00:18] Jordan Peterson introducing Mohamedou Ould Salahi.
[01:36] Mohamedou’s childhood.
[07:27] Education and various tribes in Mauritania.
[12:36] Getting a scholarship in Germany, Edith Piaf, and the different schools he attended in Mauritania.
[17:01] The tribes of Mauritania.
[20:06] Being alone in Germany.
[28:11] His journey in Germany.
[34:01] The life-changing phone call.
[39:41] Mohamedou's marriage.
[40:30] What happened after the phone call?
[44:10] Leaving Germany and going to Montreal.
[48:58] The plan to lure Mohamedou out of Canada.
[55:18] The prospect of being tortured.
[59:10] Initial interrogations.
[01:04:10] Living in Mauritania before 9/11.
[01:04:56] Post 9/11.
[01:10:05] Listening to torture sessions.
[01:13:18] The torture in prison.
[01:21:40] The transformation of his beliefs.
[01:26:24] Mohamedou's depression.
[01:29:28] The plane to the US.
[01:33:49] Assuming guilt.
[01:37:46] The interrogations leading up to Guantanamo Bay.
[01:41:10] Arriving at Guantanamo Bay.
[01:45:53] The first interrogation at Guantanamo Bay.
[01:50:15] Enhanced interrogation techniques.
[01:51:21] Reading in prison.
[01:59:36] Torture at Guantanamo Bay.
[02:09:50] The confession.
[02:17:32] The lie detector.
[02:22:26] The end of his torture.
[02:26:16] Being alone in his cell.
[02:27:57] The road to freedom.
[02:36:47] The Mauritanian (a movie made about his story).
[02:37:20] Mohamedou's current attitude towards everything.
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Guy learns English in prison and completes an extended interview more eloquently than I could.
Exactly what I was thinking, born brought up in English speaking UK yet this guy is more articulate than most of us. A very intelligent and academic guy, such a shame his life was ruined by American intelligence who just get away with doing these things.
Very intelligent man and I think it also has to do with how much and what he spent a lot of time reading while in prison. Reading widely just improves your ability to express yourself intelligently.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 care to elaborate
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Says the American citizen that lives in a country that tortures innocent lives daily. His life was ruined by America and the thoughtless followers of America.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 how so?
It’s crazy how everyone calls him a Muslim when he was labeled a terrorist, but after he had been set free and his manners now, no one mentions the fact that he is a Muslim.
56:27 Obama bin laden 🤣🤣🤣
@@xxCrimsonSpiritxx p’´
dude he was not just a sheperd or farmer he was a terrorist.he severed ties with them may be but thts the reason they suspected him.Not a person doodh se dhula hua.Not every person who cut ties with terrorists get arrested,Maajid Nawaaz, no one arrested him aftet that.
Westerns labels their tittle "terrorist and terrorism" onto Islam and Muslims. Christian Westerners got PhD on terrorising Muslims and hypocrisy.
Very true !! hypocrite people !!!
English is probably his fourth or even fifth language, yet he is still more articulate than half of the people I meet.
@@blackkapmorris9404 this seems like a stupid reply
@@nooruddin-ali this seems like a based reply
I think English is the second language in Mauritania but i'm not sure
@@noone3367 Arabic is the official language of the country. In addition to that, the tribal languages/dialects that differ from a clan to clan and a place to another. French is the foreign language, not English.
@@noone3367 North African countries we have french as second language , English we started to learn it's (my time ) in highschool , you choice between , English / Spanish or dutch ....
I don't know many things about life, but as a Christian, I testify that the hearts of many Muslim friends are pure, good. I'm lucky to have had great and generous friends in the middle east, what an experience. It does not matter about money, rich or poor, it will invite you with an Arabic tee, greet you with a smile, share their time with you. God bless you all.
@@amyrenee1361 as a new muslim, I believe Jesus pbuh was a prophet of God just like *Adam* *Enoch* *Noah* *Heber* *Methusaleh* *Lot* *Abraham* *Ishmael* *Isaac* *Jacob* *Joseph* *Jethro* *Job* *Ezekiel* *Moses* *Aaron* *David* *Solomon* *Elias* *Elisha* *Jonah* *Zachariah* *John the Baptist* and *Muhammad* ( peace be upon them all ) And He was given the gospels just like Moses was given the torah. We believe - *_God is One_* - *_the Absolute and isn't in need of anything_* - *_He begets not, nor was He begotten_* - *_The creator is not like the creations_* - *_We don't need a mediator to have a connection with him_*
❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@amyrenee1361 hi! No intent to insult anyone, but that line of Jesus (pbuh) “no one comes to the father except through me” actually contradicts a lot of concepts in Bible (which we, as Muslim, believe to be a Holy Scripture, but through time, wrong translation and intentionally corruption) became twisted, but the Word of God shouldn’t be confusing anyone, right? It should not, because it is the right path and in the Bible it is said: (1 Corinthians 14:33) “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.” Holy Trinity, 3 parts of 1 God, it is all confusion from the start! Three will never be One not mathematically nor logically. There is also nowhere in the Bible where Jesus says he is the God and people should worship him. In fact, if Jesus is the God (or a part of it) then he is omniscient, all-knowing and all-hearing, but how come that omniscient God doesn’t know when will the Day of Judgement come? (Matthew 24:36): “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” This means that NO ONE in the heavens, including the Holy Spirit knows the date of the day of Judgement, but Father! This concept is the same as the concept in Islam, no one has that knowledge, except for Allah Almighty. In fact, Islam is the only Abrahamic (besides Christianity) religion that accepts Jesus as a prophet and believing in him is mandatory. I strongly recommend you to read Qu’ran, as we are the same Abrahamic religion and we call to worship only One God, the same God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, in fact you will gain a lot more detailed knowledge about the God, angels or prophets and it will never confuse you
@Кайл no, stop lying! Muslim on Arabic (مُسْلِم) means one who surrender to God, we never attribute the God a son or a daughter, it is nonsense
@@amyrenee1361 Good grief, have read any of the bible? Read chapter 3 of Romans. Read gospel of John. Your questions belie fundamental ignorance. Jesus is making an exclusive claim, he is the ONLY way.
"The Mauretanian intelligence. Or the lack thereof." What a legend.
He is very smart, sharp I would say.
@@grabdaCikan his wit takes no prisoners.
@@MrGreenAKAguci00 cute pic cuz
Mauritanian
sense of humour sharp as a tack, especially in his 5th language, learned so late. really says something
Respect to Dr. Peterson for giving him the platform to speak out against American torture going on, and respect to this man for being able to forgive after all he's been through
Growing up in the US, it was unthinkable to me that my government would ever condone torture. We were "the good guys". This happened in my teen years and I've always questioned whether we were really "the good guys" ever since.
@@gregmezera6571 America is the total opposite to good guys
@K M Rusa government will be hold an accountable for what they have done to Muslim countries
@K M R not hate just telling the consequences of killing innocent Muslims during these unnecessary wars
Fuck forgiveness. He's got a right to be angry.
Mohamedou has a great sense of humor that keeps poking through in an interview that is otherwise about dark and scary events. Dude straight up survives modern day holocaust treatment and cracks jokes about relatable shit that happened along the way. What a fking legend.
So true ,, this was a torture technique similar to Nazi Germany !! Shame to see that no one is brought to justice 😕
@@khalidalali5165 I hope you can forgive the average american, I grew up during this era and we heard rumors about Guantanamo bay, but the government used a lot of word play and misdirection to hide the truth from us. I think the Bush administration was doing what it thought was in America's best interest, but anytime you have to hide something as inhumane as torture/murder, you really need to question the morality of your actions. "enhanced interrogation" my ass.... :(
Yeah!!!! Poor guy re-lives it day in day out with PTSD and hospital admissions. Yet he forgives them…… hope Bush and Blair have scary nightmares thinking of what they have done. To him and so many more plus all the innocent Iraqi people and the young western soldiers they tricked into fighting a bogus war. 😱
@@naseemkad this man is Muslim. They’re required to leave all affairs of this world as a means of a test and expiation for their sins, and that’s where she drives his peace from. Also, God will handle and punish the evil-doers, is most likely what he refers to when he says he forgives them (as in they can’t escape God’s justice).
@@khalidalali5165 these people will only be brought to justice in the court of Allah .
"'The accused is innocent until proven guilty' only your mother believe this" Oh man... I love this guy. God grant him justice.
"Allah doesn't burden a soul beyond it's capacity" dear brother you are indeed one of the strongest persons...not just because you went through that hell but especially because u took it upon yourself to forgive them and you did. Very very few people can do that. May Allah reward you highest ranks in Jannah after you leave this world. And I pray ease for you in this world also!
That's what I was thinking
Amen
Ameen ya Rab
Ameen
Amen to that
What a story! Poverty, travel, solitude, depression, a willingness to help others, being caught in huge world events, betrayal, torture, the weakness of man, abandonment, loss of hope, defeat, rebirth and finally forgiveness. And as another comment says, he comes away from this hating weak tea, half cooked eggs and small bathrooms! What a human being!
@do br What is that supposed to mean, exactly? Dr. Peterson has a platform, regardless of how he earned it. He invites people, many of them not that well-known, to share their stories and ideas in this platform; which in turn introduces them to people that didn't know them in the first place. That's how communication works, and it is also obvious that people won't watch 2h42min of an interview if they don't like the interviewee, just because they like the interviewer. P.S. This guest has a best-selling book, so "no" again. You're projecting and generalizing your personal experience of this video.
@do br This interview is more touching then the movie, I found out about this guy through the netflix movie The Mauritanian
@do br If you think JP is famous because of pronoun things, you don't even have the remotest idea who JP is and what his message is. It is okay to be ignorant. It is not okay to be ignorant about your ignorance, AND talk as if you know something. Go read, I would suggest. Instead of embarrassing yourself further.
the main question world u last like him and what do he have that help him in all this
@do br Dr Peterson publicity is solely due to pronouns? living under a rock much?
I was depressed and had some suicidal thoughts but my after watching this video I am ashamed of myself God bless him
Human suffering is relative to the person’s life. Another person’s pain does not diminish your own struggles. It does give context and allows you to reflect, but more importantly remember to turn to Allah(swt) for guidance and you will never feel alone. Salam and take care In’Shaa’Allah.
Dear Brother, suicide is a major sin. Allah swt gives life and takes life on his own terms. If you’re struggling, recite countless AstaghfirAllah, day/night any time of the day and Allah will ease your pain 🤲🙏🌺💜
If you do feel depressed again pls talk to someone that’s a professional and listen to Surah Rahman! It helps
Your life is precious brother. Take good care of it. May Allah ease for what you are going through.
It's very humbling to see someone bearing a heavier weight with ease. This man's spirit is so strong.
I have never sat down and watched an entire interview this long, he is an amazing man beyond description. May Allah reward him Jannah.
Yes and May peace be with this man - Been through enough!
same here
Yep me too
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!* Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!! Philippians 2:5-8
@@Hannestv4607 God is not human. A human will never be God. God doesn't eat, sleep, urinate, defecate, die, etc. There is no God except Allah, the Lord of all worlds.
This is probably one of the most gripping, unsettling and moving interviews I've ever seen. Not dramatic or sentimental at all, just sincere, empathetic, and thoughtful. I feel small next to this man. He is so humble, kind and friendly. Hearing about the magnitude of injustice he was dealt, and seeing the equanimity and grace he carries himself with despite all that is honestly breathtaking. It's hard to fathom the darkness that a person would have to be possessed by in order to see him as any type of villain, let alone one who could be brutalized and deprived of life in such a callous, pointless way. His smile melts my jaded, stoic heart. God only knows what nightmarish existence could be still happening for others who didn't make it out of that kafkaesque hellhole and all the others like it that we may never even know about in our lifetime. I'm so grateful for this window on the insanity of the 'war on terror'. I hope it is seen by many people. It needs to be. Thanks to both of these great men. May justice await the torturers.
As I always felt: There better be a Hell beyond this little realm. Addenum: The Fairytale, as the Endurers have learned, Is Real!
Very humbling indeed to be witnessing such grace in spite of what he went through, but also the weight of those psychological wounds he must still carry with him for the rest of his life.
A privilege to watch JP's therapeutic work.
@@Tourtiere34 Perhaps it is,to some extent, judicious for Mohammedou to keep his pain? If, when, Our Creator chooses to reveal to him that all pain associated with his past can be, through Christ, washed away, annihilated in the blink of an eye, Mohammedou will be released from any pain associated with his memories. Would the world really be served at this juncture if he were to forget and not reveal the atrocities? He is well on his way to understanding the greatest truth, I would venture to guess. Remember: A rose by any other name, is still a rose, thus: The true God who manifested here on earth to thousands as a man in the essence of the Christ, whatever you may call Him, is still Creator Supreme; still has the same absolute power and authority and does whatever He likes.
@@rhondagodwin3991 Perfect
After watching the movie, you tend to understand why some of these innocent men become terrorists. The level of torture that the US government inflicted on this man is despicable, even after he won the case. Yet, this man chose to forgive. Wow! Admirable!
@@partofme100 he maybe forgiving them for himself, not for them!! If he held onto the anger who does it hurt?? It hurts him, not them!! You don’t forgive someone for them, you forgive so you can move forward to a better life!!
@@partofme100What does he gain by not forgiving? He is still speaking out against the evil things done to him, he's simply choosing not to hate people that have nothing to do with what was done, as well as choosing not to be bitter about what he endured. You think that righteous anger is magically going to allow him to prosecute those who hurt him? Grow up
Allah bless him , he remembered every single details from how the egg was cooked in Germany to every single feeling he experienced. He kept smiling , Allah reward you brother
Ameen
Cause he was an actor not an whatever they are talking about lol
@@xxCrimsonSpiritxx You Are Right 👍 I Agree With You
@@truthindia8689 funny coming from an Indian,someone who eats cowp00p the cow itself is smarter than u
He truly embodies the sunnah of forgiveness may Allah bless you Nd easre your pain brother
He stole everything from his hotel room’s washroom hahaha. So innocently mentioned in here.
@@peacepeace5732 You need to reflect on yourself. You left all the pain; physical and psychological, he endured while still keeping his smile and pure soul and just remembered the "thieft" of an innocent young boy. Waaw!
@@ayanaguib984 You have no idea how much I shed tears while listening to his extremely sad and heart breaking story. I salute to this unique mentally strong man who is still smiling and announcing that he has already forgiven all those devils in human’s body who put to a living hell in this world for the crime that he never committed.
@@peacepeace5732 No worries :) May Allah help us all from the unjustice that is everywhere.
@@ayanaguib984 Amen
Moroccan as I am, our neighbours to the south, are the nicest, most forgiving and simplistic of folks. This man just confirmed what we long knew about these people. No grudges, just peace of mind and love for others.
They recognize the polisario and were the last country that abolished slavery
Yeah sure but it's in Morocco where they have so many CIA black sites where they abuse, rape and torture many innocent people who haven't even gone in trial. Many shameful things in Morocco, there are many people like this man suffering in Morocco and nobody knows but your government is okay with this doing the dirty work for America.
@@blackexcellence2280 Who told you that harki ? You don’t have any evidence of what you are saying do you ? I mean compared to it’s entourage, and I am talking about the military regime of Algeria who killed 10 thousands of Algerians , you can say that Morocco is the most democratic regime in the region with a long history..
Do most Mauritanians have a gentle demeanor like this guy?
@@gregmezera6571 generally, yes! Most folks of the region have a certain decency and simplicity (that I was raised with too) that exceeds western standards
I'm a US veteran. I've never really been particularly proud about that. It was just a small part of my life. However hearing stories like this kind of makes me feel ashamed of it. I'm not quite sure what to do with that. I certainly got some thinking to do. 1 thing I know is this man is not now nor has he ever been my enemy. His story has moved me to tears.
I am not an American, but I respect the hard work and sacrifice you guys do. Not just for your country but for all you stand for. God bless you
@@mazimadu thank you and god bless you too.
I will tell you about a horrible experience that I'm going through everyday. I am from Pakistan and I was 19 or 20 years old and there was a family in my neighborhood and the guy had four kids and then went to the tribal area for a wedding in their relatives and a US drone bombed the house. The next day we heard that the guy had lost two kids and when I saw the half burned and body parts of those small kids. The father would pick the detached hands and feet and would clean and kiss those small fingers. Now I have a three years old son. It's so hard to look at his hands. I can't hold my tears when I kiss his hands. This is my first time to share this experience. I hate wars, weapons, army and politicians. I wish at least my son won't see any torture or things in his life.
@@asadmech12 thanks for sharing. We hate the same things , and want the same things for our children my friend.
Unfortunatelly David, the USA is obsessed with guns, war and bad guys. Hard to know what it will do in the next few years, hopefully young Americans will challange the need for the next inevitable war.
It left an impression on me when he spoke about being faced with death that the only thing he cared about was whether he was nice to others. That is such a good reminder to take with us.
😭😭
The way he described the last time he saw his mom made me broke into tears. May god bless her soul Amen 🙏🏽
This is the FIRST time in my life I sat for 2hrs and 42mins straight and listened. I have severe attention deficiency (adhd) but not only couldn’t I turn away, I actually held my pee in the whole way so it was torturous when he spoke about how relieved he was peeing.
Best comment Adhd bros
Same boat, I need to sleep but its too interesting, hyperfocus can be a bitch
😂😂😂
😂 good thing you didn't release it upon hearing pee
I have interview tomorrow morning but I still kept watching this late into the night as you’re right this interview was indeed gripping.
After all this, he has the incredible ability to smile, forgive and move on. Respect.
@@unitedstatesirie7431 That’s not funny.
Did you miss the section where he spoke about his ptsd and depression or what?
@@clinch4402 I think it's more his ability to remain coherent and more than functioning despite it.
@@brodieclamp5090 Not at all. It reads as though someone watched a few minutes and clicked off the video. Mohamedou even states that he was smiling in Guantanomo despite the fear, pain and gross conditions. He's currently in serious need of international medical help and he can't leave his country. To suggest this poor man has "moved on" couldn't be more tone-deaf for a video describing human rights atrocities.
@@clinch4402you've misinterpreted what I've said, I mean the fact he's not a mumbling wreck and hasn't killed himself is a testament to the man's strength.
I'm Canadian and I would like to say my country did what it usually does which is pass the buck and come out smelling like roses. We failed this man and others by not standing up to the Americans and doing a proper investigation then deciding on its merits how to justly proceed. Also I was just graduating University when 911 happened. I remember the talk around enhanced interrogation. I absolutely knew it was torture. I remember academics being silenced regarding this issue. I remember later on being told that while Guantanamo likely held non terrorists that they could not be released as being there had likely radicalized them (giant red flag). I remember the American media showing how cushy the prison was. Hey they even got a complimentary Koran. I remember studying world war 2. I remember saying I would have stood up against the Nazis. I remember thinking I would have stood against Japanese internment camps. Well I had a chance during this time and I did nothing. Bitter pill to swallow even though it was not specifically my country doing the abuse. Not even Nazi war criminals endured what Mohamedou Ould Slahi did. To those that actually protested and tried my respect. For the rest of us maybe get our shit together and my sincere apology for my and our complete failure to maintain my and our principles in the face of fear.
Also thanks to Jordan for bringing cases like this to my attention I always learn something from watching these videos even if it is something I don't like.
Well said
Thank you for this interview ❤😊😢😂🎉😮😂😊 May we all be humble and willing to learn... Growing in truth and 💕 Love! God is our final judge... And will judge all by their thoughts & deeds. Life is 2 short.. let go let God.... None of us designed this creation... It is beyond our human comprehension.. be kind 2 all living creatures.... Yes.... There is good & evil. Let's be good, decent & do what good we can @ everything we come in contact with... Be fair minded & do our own inner work.. self examination.. choose good over evil. Life over death🎉❤. This is a very humble man who is an exemplary example of how 2 fight the good 👍 fight... A blessing to have him & Jordan together. Our gift 🎁 from our Maker.... So humbling 2 find this superb video. Kudos..
I'm an American and It's definitely a shame that this man was mistreated by my country. It is our loss because he is a wonderful human being. Jordan is right we need to do better.
Mistreated : intensity of this word ; Tortured
Better is not the right word my friend, The appropriate word is we need to STOP.
Just this man? What about the millions of people that have been killed by your unjust wars, or the billions of people who are suffering due to your corrupt monetary system? If you have just become aware of this type of thing going on now, I don't know what to say. My people and most of humanity are suffering to extreme levels on a per sec basis, and your country and culture are a big reason why. You don't need to hear a Guantanamo story to realise this. But hey, if you have now opened your eyes then the least I can say is welcome, and I hope you spread the word.
True love = the love of God! *God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being* Philippians 2:5-8
Your comment stings of arrogance, mistreated and do better! Imagine you've gone through 50% of what he has gone through and many many people like him still going through, would you still use the same words, or you gonna use words like TORTURE and STOP.
Wow the great irony. He was so scared to be alone initially and now he can only feel safe when he is alone. Such a sad story
He is broken now. If all people saw were how nice, smiley and friendly this guy was, they are missing a key consequence of this story. That a man was destroyed by other men.
@@fs5775 broken? Hes handling himself way better than most people would if they went thru the same
I don’t know if he can only feel safe alone or just with minimum people around… I know he said he feels better alone but earlier in the interview he stated that he can only fall asleep with someone next to him (watching him).
@@thinkingagain5966 Yes and hes still broken. He even admits that.
@@dannyc7227 that was when he first went to an apartment for the first time and had to sleep alone after living his whole life prior sleeping with people/family around him then spent a decade alone which he then adapted to that
After watching this interview, i feel relieved to say that i forgive people that have hurt me in anyway, i feel free. If this man can forgive those that took him through hell, there is no reason for me to hold onto the past. Jordan, this was such a great interview, this was like a therapy session.
God saw your trouble. He will give you more than you will ever need for that trouble .
No you dont forgive you dweeb. If you just forgive anybody they GET A HABIT of hurting you. They start thinking hurting you is fine and its fair game. They will make hurting you into a profit which they will then market fir more money. If someone hurts you, YOU TAKE REVENGE and thats how to stop evil. MAke an example. Live freely. Live peacefully. Live happily. If anyone harms you, become DEATH and give them what they deserve.
@@vorpalinferno9711 I understand your point but honestly forgiving and moving on for me at least was a better option. I struggled with anger and wrath towards the people who hurt me for a long time and eventually I came to the realization that revenge is not the answer. I accepted what happened and I distanced myself from those individuals but I never forgot what they did.
Criminals should be severely punished not forgiven. Pain is what makes hostile animals away from you.
@@saddreams3449 Okay. How about rape? if a rapist rapes anyone they want the victims just forgive? The rapist can just continue having fun with anyone. Because rapist knows that victims will eventually forgive.
Listening to his story was hard enough, had to shed tears few times when he shares the stories about torture. Living with such experience yet with beautiful smiles shows how strong this man is. He's indeed a believer.
Mohamedou, your mother is absolutely…absolutely correct… you have value. You are a good person. You are a very important person. Always remember that. Thank you for sharing your story, your trials and tribulations. Peace to you.
It is nice to see someone like Jordan asking inquisitive questions without ulterior motives.
Thank you for using ulterior, I didnt know that was a word and always thought it was alterior i now have however discovered that i had it backwards 😂😂😂
Although quite often, he asks for clarification of explanations already given and unnecessarily interrupts the flow of the testimony.
@@crazywazydoublehazy I noticed that too. Jordan Peterson has to make his podcast interesting to his viewers, and I suspect he is trying to guide the flow in a direction that he believes is interesting to his viewers.
Because he doesn't know al tawba 9.29 hahaha U s o n of insufficient in religion and brain
@@realofficialbrandon lol
His smile kept me smiling the whole interview. This man's smile is contagious.
I feel so ashamed that an innocent man could have been held captive for so long, so much of his life taken away and is still able to forgive. What an amazing example of what a person can endure. Hope the rest of his life he can live in peace and enjoy life. Amazing man!
He is not the only one i watched 13 ep about another guy from that prison.tears...
@@MaxP374 what was the name of the other man
@@sisiohp2501 Faiz Mohammed Ahmed Al Kandari.
this is not the story of one man but hundreds and thousands of man were held hostages in guantanombey and Abu gharib jail
Podcasts like this are why I watch everything Jordan Peterson posts. This was very moving and eye-opening. I'm a very conservative Christian who is fairly opinionated and stubborn. Before watching this I was someone who really gave little to no thought to Guantanamo and just assumed everyone there is guilty and deserves whatever they get. Didn't care. I'm embarrassed to admit this. But honestly in my busy, (and I must admit privileged) life I don't spend much time thinking about Guantanamo. But this guy's story was so moving and convicting. It has changed me. Thank you Jordan for the interview and for posting it. I am so impressed with his conclusion from his experiences and his choice to be a better person as a result. Wow. Kind of reminds me of Viktor Frankl and his experiences and conclusions from his concentration camp experiences. There are good and bad people in all groups.
I had the same experience as you in watching this.
It’s so wonderful to see a person who’s had their viewpoint expanded from a partisan line of thinking, and extended their consideration and care to someone they may have ignored or condemned. I’ve been there, too, though in a different ideology and condemning different people, it is I think much the same. I’m still in the process of lifting that, and hold plenty of biases and resentment I need to work on. It’s very powerful to witness this person interviewed being able to be forgiving in spite of what he’s been through. Shows us we can do the same. 🙏
How can you call yourself a Christian who didn't care about people being tortured? You're FoS.
HOW DID YOU MANAGE THAT? How the hell would you avoid even contemplating it after having it shoved in your face for 20 years. The back and forth over "Enhanced interrogation" lasted years and still comes up from time to time. Hell I hate the people in there and I don't want them tortured, how the hell did you manage not to look up for two decades?
@@jamesbaker3153 two words - media propaganda. Similar to your question- what I don’t understand is why can’t the pro-experimental-injection people just take their jabs and leave the rest of us alone? Why are they demanding that literally every single person, including babies, also be injected? Especially for a virus that for 99% of humanity isn’t an issue? It doesn’t make logical sense when people are just “drinking the kook-aid” from the media propaganda.
I haven’t seen my children for 9 months and I cried almost every day, his mother died not see him released from prison. I feel so small compared to this guy. Peace and forgiveness is what we all should aim for. My love to everyone regardless of their faith, race or colour.
Well said and really wish you the best 🙌🏻
Thank you guys for the kind words🙏
Thank you guys for the kind words🙏
It gets better my friend. Its all about the outlook we have and the positive energy we give out onto the world. No one can change the past, only try to make a better future from here on out. Peace and love from Michigan.
@@neogeo1670 this man's a living example of how wrong you are they may scream the similar words like muslims but they don't even know the basics
Wait, we're already at Enhanced Interrogation Techniques? I'm still trying to sort my room!
Same here, friend...
Stuck at petting kitties I encounter on the street 🤷♂️ : )
Sheeeeit, I'm still telling lies.
Im trying to sort an apartment and workplace. I have a long way to go because having a roommate who creates chaos is not something ive been able to fix.
@@jaymzbeaman6116 Throw a lobster at him - that should fix it. :)
So Germany, Canada and Senegal couldn't find anything on this sunshine of a man, and USA "intelligence" took it upon themselves to prove to everyone how superior and foresighted they were by kidnapping him and keeping him against all reason ! The audacity of these modern tyrants to teach us about humanity and democracy is really hallucinating.
Well put. They are experts in evil for sure . I really think they have gaslighted the world.
this one is fascinating for its connection to al queda when they were allies in the fight against russians. One doesnt go off to war and bond with their band of brothers as he did in the early 90s and drop all communication with them after its over. Thats the sense I get from all I've read about him, he severed with al queda after helping in the fight against russia but then likely continued with the personal connections he made in afghanistan. Unfortunately, some of those connections may have been involved with 9/11 planning as the 90s decade came to a close, though not him.There must be other Slahi's as well, maybe dozens, if they werent killed by the russians (or later by the americans).
The best interview I've ever watched. May Allah grant us a heart as strong as this mans and may he serve he's torturers the justice they deserve
Wow that prayer he made to Allah guide me, was when he confessed saying he was a criminal but he wasn't BUT that lead him to the lie detector and he got out. His prayer was answered. Alhamdulilah.
I got goosebumps all over my body, realizing how weak my faith in Allah is compared to him. يا مقلب القلوب ثبت قلبي على دينك 🤲🏾
As an American citizen I find that holding this man..any man, uncharged. Without proof of any kind is reprehensible. This is not my America. I apologize for what you have been so cruelly put through..so senseless...You are a hero among men. Your courage. Your willingness to forgive is beyond belief. I wish you all the joy and peace that you deserve. Thank you too Dr. Peterson. Hearing this man's story puts my petty problems in their place.
My thoughts exactly. This is not American
This has been America, and it still is
Unfortunately this IS America and has been since its inception. That doesn't mean that there aren't really good people trying to change it. Some of those people are what Mr. Peterson pejoratively calls Social Justice Warriors, but often these are people who see injustices like this and are trying to change it (admittedly sometimes not using the best strategy). Please look up Kalief Browder's story and the cash bail system which a lot of organizations are trying to end to see just ONE way how this happens to people in America on a regular basis.
It’s happening now with the arrests and detainment of those unfortunates who were allowed into Capitol Hill.
@@homeygdoggydogg There aren't enough of US. Who have the time..or the Money, which explains the time thing...to stop attempting to care for our own Families, since Regan decimated the Unions. to take the time necessary to effectively make a difference. And..since " Citizens United " our Representatives no longer work for We The People...the work for Corporate America...this is I fear is the end of our experiment with Democracy...
I see this man that I don’t know and my heart gets filled with pain because of his history. I see him smiling and at the same time a see the sadness through his eyes. May God keep you and bless you and heal you. Wow
Thanks for taking the time! Great work.
the fact that he holds no grudges and resentment against anyone after all he's been through shows how powerful of a person he is. This right here is the highest level of existence.
I disagree.
@@TheHumanGibbon care to explain?
...meanwhile in Western countries people are resentful because they need to wear a mask and lose their shit because they can't get a hair cut
How do you know he doesn't.
@@denziljoe how about losing basic human rights, without ever having associated with terrorist organisations whatsoever? Belittling the rise of totalitarianism isn't the way to go.
He's absolutely a hero for surviving all of this and still smile. I'm just wondering how many other innocent people had to face this kind of torture 💔
Why was he even sold out in the first place 🤷🏼♀️his own people betrayed him for money 💰
Hes still lucky as somany came out in bodybags or are still inthere or lost there heads as well as there families and life
@@jerusalem5646 - Why did the evil American system let this happen to this man and thousands of others? That’s the million dollar question.
Just under 800 people have been kept in Guantanamo bay prison, with half being released according to the untrustworthy American government. I imagine many of the innocent prisoners America captured have lost their minds and there is no way back for them. Don’t forget them - they’re heroes too.
untold billions for time immemorial
Very cool interview. Somehow I missed it when it was first posted. Thank you JP.
It's absolutely heartbreaking what we did to this man, and to so many more like him I'm sure..😢......and his demeanor is so touching to me. That he's not angry and resentful. His story really makes me realize how much I take for granted. Puts my problems in perspective.
I cried for this man. He went to hell and back and yet he seems like such a friendly and humble person. I hope, after all the evil that has been done to you, you find peace and serenity in this life.
Don't be so easy to manipulate. Iam just 30min in but he is already lying about Mauretania a lot. Did he mentation that his cousin was AL Qaida member Abu Hafs al-Mauritania ? Did he mention that he was in 2 training camps AL farouq and gardez in Afghanistan in the early 90s? Did he mention that Ramzi Binalshibh and other terrorists slept in his Appartement in Duisburg in 1999 ? Did he mention that he had email contact with jihadist Christian Ganczarski? Did he mentioned that his German visa wasn't extended cause he was found guilty of social fraud in 1999?
@@Larrypint Yes, he did say he was in Afghanistan and he didnt like it. So what. Otherwise none of what you say is a crime.
This is the thing we don’t seek serenity in this life but the next that’s why he is the way he is
Amin
US was paying and sending ppl there at that time to fight against Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Study your country's history
Wow, this episode left me with a lot to think about, not much else to say. This was right up there with Yeonmi Park. Thanks for having Mohamedou on.
I echo every word of that statement
oh my, this is gonna be a wild ride. The Yeonmi Park one changed me.
@@andrewteece3496 cu up
Yeonmi is fake and about this guy we dont know yet, dont just trust people.
All this began with his fathers camel herd could not be sustained anymore, but there is a solution to that which they need to learn about. I couldnt listen because they didnt talk about this. I feel so sad that we have answers but struggle to get people to listen.
The same spirit in the Gulag trustee and the ashawitz death camps seemed to be so alive and "well" in those responsible at guantanamo bay. This breaks my heart and opens my eyes all at the same time. I'm so sorry for what has happened to you. This is unacceptable to say the very least and the people who are to blame must be held responsible for this. God bless you sir you're truly an inspiration
Thank you for this video. I can also see your compassion as an interviewer.
Omg he went through a lot of horror times. I am just crying all the vedio..O Allah please grant him blessed and peaceful life in this world and the hereafter.
Ameen ya Rabb.
Ameen
Aaamin! Aamen!
JB: The Mauritanian intelligence MD: Yes yes . Mauritanian intelligence. Or lack thereof 🤣🤣🤣
JP*. Jordan Peterson 🙂
😂
@@dyawr his middle initial is B
@@finchisneat Really? Well, that's not so commonly thought of I think. 🤔 Is it appropriate to use JB as an acronym for Jordan B. Peterson? Maybe JBP, I'd say..
@@dyawr its B in Arabic. Jordan Beterson. The P is a B habibi
Beautiful authentic interview.
Incredible interview , I appreciate the detail and Jordan have him plenty of time to tell his story and to explain.
Beduin culture in the middle east tend to produce people with clear minds capable of learning information and skills far better than the average urban people. It also produces plenty of natural story tellers and poets because their lives are dependent upon paying attention to the environment around, they learn to pick the small details in life that most other people miss. Mr. Mohammed is a charismatic story teller and I greatly enjoyed listening to him. I ask Allah that he grants him and all people who’ve been wronged, joy and salvation in this life and the afterlife.
Ameen
I thought he was from Mauritania, Africa
@@habiba9311 Yea he is Mauritanian in Africa. Dont know what Aziz is saying. Maybe he meant the religion being rooted to middle east and the way of teaching.
@@habiba9311 He is Arab Bedouin that moved to Africa
@@youniz7063 his mother is bedouin. So he experienced bedouin culture in mauritania
I feel compelled to comment just to say how much I admire Jordan. I've listened to his lectures and podcast as well as his daughter's podcast for years now. I'm a 30 year old guy that's been homeless and suffering from severe anxiety for 7 years now. Although I've been on methadone since 2015 and clean I have yet to clean my room up. Jordan's compassion with intelligence and no nonsense approach to fixing things has always been alluring to me. When things are down I try and imagine what Jordan would say to me in that moment. I have no family and feel like he gives me an idea of a father figure/ therapist/ mentor/ friend when I need it most. I haven't missed a podcast yet. I wish to one day be able to get into school to study maths as that and the physical sciences has always been my interest and truly is my motivation to get up everyday. I pray that in time I become more confident, less awkward, and in a place where I'm a bit more content and surrounded by positive people I can show my love to. Thank you Dr. Peterson for being a guiding light to me. It's meant a lot. You've helped more people than I'm sure you can fathom, and that are in situations that are more unique and varied than anyone can comprehend. Thanks man. Thanks.
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You're so welcome and keep struggling uphill.
May God Bliss You Every Day
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What a remarkable human being. How he can show such strength after such hardship is beyond me. A fantastic interview and a story I could not possibly imagine to experience and still smile at the end of it
Incredible strength, hope and faith through so much pain endured. God Bless him and you Jordan for providing this interview!
After the description of “pure chaos” during his torture, I teared up and wanted nothing more than to embrace Mohamedou and let him know that he is my brother. A brother who is to his core, and example of humanity’s true worth. We have a capacity for evil but an even greater capacity to love one another. Thank you for bringing this Hero to your audience Dr. Peterson.
David, you're a good man. You need to learn about Islam brother. Don't follow the religion of these torturers which leads to darkness. Islam is the only religion of God that teaches respect, mercy, kindness, justice, etc. Peace!
@@Omar-jy1gr After some time on this Earth I don’t think anyone can claim to have THE answer to the “one” religion. Many Christians fall short of Christ’s teachings, many Buddhists fail to remain free from Earths temptations, and even Muslims forget to keep their sacraments. All any man or woman can do is better themselves for their children, tell the truth, and stand up for those without the ability to do so. The religion which motivates you only aligns you with a particular group on the planet. We are all aligned by our humanity.
@@daviddisilvestro2978 Read the Quran ♥️
This is the kind of man who changes history
Please, don't be so emotional! Don't be confused. This is his belief----Quran(9:30) "...May Allah destroy them ( the Jews and Christians )....." Quran(9:123) "Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhoods" Quran(22:19) "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire,hooked unto rods,boiling water,melt their skins and bellies". Quran (47:4) "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels;behead them when you catch them" Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end. Quran (2;191) "Slay the unbelievers where ever you find them" Quran(3:28) "Muslim's must not take infidels as their friends" Quran(3:85 "Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable" Quran (5;33) "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam" Quran(8:12) "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Quran" Quran(8:60) "Muslim's must muster all weapons to terrorize the Infidels" Quran(8:65) "The unbelievers are stupid,urge the Muslim's to fight them" Quran(9:5) SAHIH INTERNATIONAL And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.Quran(9:5)
to hear that one of his guards at gitmo and he are good friends and godfathers' to each others' children is so powerful love indeed does win
Not a guard but an Air Force Lt. Col and lawyer
No, his prison guard. Being godfathers to each other's children ..this broke me - waterworks. How some people can be so beautiful and so big gives me more hope than anything I've heard in forever.
@@mahamirza2388 @Maha Mirza Yes, exactly! He went through all of this horrible stuff and yet he holds no grudge. He's ready to invite everyone from Guantanamo Bay to his house - this is like a divine level of forgiveness. It reminds me of how Jesus asked the Father to forgive those who had crucified Him. As far as I'm concerned, Mr Mohamedou is a saint
@@Mi-guo-wai I haven't stopped thinking of him, his smile, jokes, and conclusion about what matters the most in life - being nice to others. I feel guilty for my rather baseless self pity and will hold onto his recounted experience to be stronger, more compassionate and more grateful.
@@mahamirza2388 yeah, his story puts my petty problems into perspective and his total forgiveness and total love can really teach humility. I hope I'll never forget this lesson
Speechless… thank you Mohamedou for your story we are all blessed that you exist and thank you Jordon I haven’t got words to describe how I feel…
That was amazing. What a man. Thank you for that interview, both of you.
I watched the movie and some scene were really traumatising to watch, imagine how traumatising it was for him, SubhanAllah, may Allah make it easy for him and give him the best in the afterlife ameen
JP improved a lot. This interview was flawless. Impressive story, I’m speechless, this is the most moving interview I ever watched.
Yes. He started interrupting a lot, and sometimes still does, he listened very well here, and asked surgical questions to enable the best of the story to come out.
Iam just 30min in. Did he mentation that his cousin was AL Qaida member Abu Hafs al-Mauritania ? Did he mention that he was in 2 training camps AL farouq and gardez in Afghanistan in the early 90s? Did he mention that Ramzi Binalshibh and other terrorists slept in his Appartement in Duisburg in 1999 ? Did he mention that he had email contact with jihadist Christian Ganczarski? Did he mentioned that his German visa wasn't extended cause he was found guilty of social fraud in 1999?
@@Larrypint you forgot to mention your point
@@fabianbravo6008 my point is, this man is lying from A to Z.
@@Larrypint lmao, where did you get this info, mate? Must be CIA post-torture “confess” they got after 14 years of mentally and physically killing tortures
Incredible interview. It's amazing to me that after everythig he went through this human being is capable of genuine smiles and even forgiveness.
Incredible interview that i've ever listened in all my live. What a story, what a truly loving person....thank you to nring such interview mr peterson. And my Allah bless you with jannah👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🙏
He has such a kindness in his eyes still----- despite being nearly tortured to death every single day for years.
Smiling and radiant in the opening image, whereas Jordan Peterson looks like he has the weight of the world on him ... perhaps he has been through something worse?
@@macfunkey yeah notice at the end he tells Peterson to "get healthy". I believe he can see a certain familiar sense of pain coming from Peterson.
@@macfunkey Pain is relative -- and everyone's tolerance -- ability to fully process it- whether it's purely inner and emotional/ mental or outer and physical varies--- It's hard to compare Jordan and this person---- both have experienced extreme 'pain'--- but it's like comparing apples to oranges--- different in terms of form and duration-- but both equally valid
@@TheSwitch87 good observation. Both of these men I believed struggled with depression and were on anti-depression medication. I also recall that Peterson has mentioned often that depression runs in his family.
This. My life is nothing like his, at all, but in so many ways, I feel myself falling apart day to day. Seeing how genuinely happy and kind this guy can seem, after the horrors he has endured...... I have hope. If this guy can still be happy, I don't think any of us have excuse.
This is so haunting, when he said I didn’t see my mother again my heart skipped a beat. He is testimony of human ability to survive and transcend
Heartbreaking
this is testimony of the criminality of the US regime
If he’s telling the truth 🤷🏼♀️he could also be a very manipulative person and just playing out a character… you can’t understand a person from one ☝🏼 story
@@jerusalem5646 u think the government wouldn't call him a liar if he lied about anything? They call people who tell truth liars just to protect their image.
@@jumatron2060 so basically you think 🤔 he lied 🤥
It was nice seeing Jordan smile. A good and easy listen. I really enjoyed this. Thanks for sharing
I cried so much. How can ppl hurt someone so innocent it breaks my heart no one deserves it
I am mad at myself because back then when i heard of guantamo I really thought all the people in there were terrorists and I was actually approving this! This story had me thinking on perhaps in situations like 911 as horrfiic as it was we shouldn't react on impulse
Part of his story that touched me the most, is his mother. Living by it & dying in that shame while he was unable to see her or attend her burial. The world we live in
Don't hang out with terrorists then
@@AK-hi7mg you mean the United States of Terrorists?
Why would she die in shame? I bet she always held her head high and was proud of him.
@@AK-hi7mg War criminals US army why do you think vets keep killing themselves. You can't dash out pain and suffering without expecting it to come back at you in one form or another.
@@AK-hi7mg the us end is so close , closer then any empire has passed in history, y’all empire’s won’t last more than 50 years from now 😿😹
As usual, I was notified (on my phone), that J.P.’s new episode is ready to view. And as usual, I proceeded to listen, while working on another driftwood piece….. Only 15 minutes into it, I could no longer do anything else, but to listen closely and watch. Wow, I am truly overwhelmed, and speechless. I don’t own a television set, and my movie watching experience, is very limited. But, as soon as this podcast was over, I watched the trailer of this movie, and then I read and watched everything that I was able to find (on line), about this incredible human being…. He is definitely an angel, who decided to come down to earth, to show us the true power of Love. I can’t stop crying… His journey is incredible, and so powerful. Only because of such human beings, such angels, like Mohamedou, we (the human race), still have a chance of survival. Thank you.
beautifully written. Agreed
Ooh, I also work on driftwood art. There's not a bunch of us ☆
This is the most incredible video l have ever watched in my Life...my heart 💖 goes out to both of u....
Great appreciation and respect to both of you, this man been through so much one can till he speaks logic and wisdom
I can‘t take it anymore, all these people just calling him a saint and focusing on his resilience instead of looking at what actually matters! Your ELECTED GOVERNMENTS did this to him and millions of people! YOU have enough power to CHANGE this! To protect your fellow humans and yourself as well! DO SOMETHING FOR GOD‘s SAKE!
It was their unelected Bureaucracy which did this. How do they go about changing THAT?
@@joeld.k.7652 George Bush introduced the "enhanced ineterrogation techniques", War in Iraq and Afghanistan and he and his parties let these agents abuse innocents. Bush and the Congress are elected by the people commenting here!
can you change your sharia laws which mandate FGM and killings of apostates?
I hear you
As a Canadian I do not know if I have ever felt as shamed for the actions of my country as I do listening to this interview.
You're not blamed for the actions of your government. No government in the world represents its people. They just represents the will of the oligarchs.
why? this is heaven on earth compared to what they do to prisoners in Arab countries
@@nasers5920 ARABS RUN ARAB COUNTIES NOT THE USA
@@PresidentEvil lmfao sure
I’m Canadian too. I concur… after watching this equally heart wrenching and amazingly inspiring video of such a brave innocent soul, these atrocities are just yet another reason why I’m utterly disgusted at the corrupt Canadian government. They are not fit to be in their current position.
Thank you for giving this man the platform to tell his truth.
The man is a hero for keeping hope after all he’s been through. Thanks for this, just amazing.
He is God's chosen. The fact that he memorized each letter in 604 pages Al Quran, he is able to articulate the experience and date he went through.
He said Islamic jurisprudence is outdated
@@theresonlyone8881 he said understanding islamic jurisprudence through greek logic is outdated not islam or Quran per se. listen carefully
Over than 1 million Mauritanians memorize quraan... And they are super fluent in arabic and it rules
@@someone_7233 There are almost 1,8b muslims that's still 0,0005 % of the population so it's still really small amount
You know what !! It is true,, not anyone can memorize the Quran !! It take a special kind of human being
I have never cried so much watching anything in my life. I have no words to describe this. One lesson I learn is just love no matter what. Love is the only thing that can free us.
Very well said. Love and respect for all.
Yr a good man.. God bless you
I believe justice does, not Love.
Justice
Love is a very missunderstood concept, I think, because to be able to love 'something' or 'someone' you must know this 'something or someone' because otherwise how can you love it if you dont know it. If you love someone but dont know them, then you love your view of the someone, and not the actual someone, so In my view, love = knowledge.
You are an incredibly graceful person, Mohamedou. I don't have the words to express how impressed I am by your positive attitude and your resilience. None of those are the appropriate words, but I'm moved by your strength. God bless you.
thankyou Jordan for this insignfull program, May allah bestow his blessing on all of us.
Wonderful interview and very sad. This is probably the first engagement of Jordan Peterson with a believing/practising Muslim. I hope he engages in a critical discussion with scholars from the mainstream Islamic tradition in the future.
Based on this interview, I don’t think he’s really interested in debating Islam.
@@kevintse2870 not debating, but fairly engaging with
@@kevintse2870 this interview was obviously not about Islam. Nonetheless, Dr Peterson has engaged with thinkers from a range of diverse traditions and have entered into a genuinely honest dialogue with them on a host of issues. Besides Islam itself, there's so much that can be discussed with Muslim scholars who present their views from a traditional Islamic perspective. Consider Roger Scruton's discussions with Hamza Yusuf on conservatism. So much of what Dr Peterson has discussed over the years, be it on political, social and gender matters are regular discussions among Muslims. It seems not right to ignore thinkers from this major tradition.
@@siyovushm2317 absolutely. A fair engagement and dialogue and not a boxing match type of an exchange, where the speakers genuinely engage with arguments. I have in mind scholars like Hamza Yusuf, Timothy Winter (Hakim Murad), and Prof Sherman Jackson, all bonafide scholars.
islam stinks
This interview is heartbreaking. The injustice. Even more if you realise that Guantanamo bay is still open…
this brought me to tears, thanks Jordan for trying to understand and for trying to make a difference.
I admire how Dr. Peterson asks these dark and difficult questions to simply understand the person in front of him, to know what their experience is like. This is so important for us to understand each other, and to understand ourselves.
Of all of the JBP podcasts I've listened to (and I have listened to a lot), this is the most horrific. To see an innocent man punished and tortured for 14 years, and to learn that the US was the worst offender in the inhuman treatment of this man, made me cry. It also is the only podcast where Jordan just...let the man talk. Anyone who doubts that the seeds of darkness lie in all of our souls should listen to this podcast with wonder and horror.
Canada tortures the living hell out of it's own citizens too, including little kids. Been going on for decades here.
Innocent until proven guilty is a legal judgment not a moral one. Through out the interview, he down played his connections with various high profile terrorists and the too often concurrence of himself and multiple terror attacks/attempts. He also forgot to mention when he cooperated, that is when the intels he provided led to the capture of true terrorists, he got books, a television, a PlayStation, and an old laptop, on which he killed time playing chess and watching DVDs. Jordan asked the correct question "If you didn't do that, how can you cooperate?" His mistake was to assume this to be a rhetorical question. OJ Simpson is legally not guilty, but for sure, he has some exciting stories to tell.
@@msbramble176 isn't he dead already?
Check the Korean girl podcast out... That one shows imo an even darker side of humanity
Muhammad " The War is deceit." Please, don't be so naif. This is his belief. According to God, the man who believes in this Book should be cut off from the living------This is his belief----Quran(9/30 ) "...May Allah destroy them ( the Jews and Christians )....." Quran(9:123) "Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhoods" Quran(@) "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire,hooked unto rods,boiling water,melt their skins and bellies". Quran (47:4) "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels;behead them when you catch them" Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end. Quran (2;191) "Slay the unbelievers where ever you find them" Quran(@) "Muslim's must not take infidels as their friends" Quran(3:85 "Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable" Quran (5;33) "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam" Quran(@) "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Quran" Quran(8:60) "Muslim's must muster all weapons to terrorize the Infidels" Quran(8:65) "The unbelievers are stupid,urge the Muslim's to fight them" Quran(9:5) SAHIH INTERNATIONAL And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.Quran(9:5)
It's so strange how this man started out loving to be around people in his youth and was afraid to be alone but after Guantanamo they broke him down to the point where people made him uncomfortable. So sad how they could destroy someone's livelihood like that. So glad you got out and young enough to enjoy your freedom into your future.
What happened to him is so immoral!
Remarkable Guest! Thank You! I have worked in Criminal/Aboriginal Justice for 40+ years! I have studied body language cross culturally and culture specific! Incredibly honest interview!
Sadly alot of others haven't goten out of there alive 😪
I m an Arab .. and a Muslim .. and it hurts so much .. to hear all of that God have mercy on us .. God protect us and our families and loved ones .. My God this is tragic
Yes this is the most extreme form of breaking a human, but this country and its UK cousins have broken millions in fact billions of people in lesser more disguised forms of torture every single day .
Thank you Dr Peterson for this. For having him on your show. God bless you .
Thank you jordan for this interview .. eye opening ..
Mohamedou is an amazing person, I can't believe how he could forgive the people who tortured him. He must have strong faith in our creator, that's why he is in peace with himself and smiles all the time. Allah is the greatest :) Peace and love.
All praise to Allah who gave us a brain that can forget and forgive
Many Christians forgive as well. Try reading about Jim Elliot and Corrie Ten Boom just two people among many who have forgiven. FORGIVENESS is the main message of the gospels. Jesus Christ Himself says on the cross as He is being crucified, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” Just sharing….
@@safyaniqbal2 yet Jesus was a Jewish man raised in the customs of His culture. I see Jewish people practicing that custom now. How could it not have been their custom? The Bible is a Jewish book to be understood in that culture within during that time. Forgiveness also doesn’t always mean to allow the crime committed to go unpunished.There are consequences to one’s behavior. In the court of law, a person can be forgiven by a relative but the LAW still holds that person accountable and punishment is administered. The Bible is a book of law as well, laws people abide by and the law of the land in America adheres to as well such as the Ten Commandments.
@@vaquera9368 I've read the bible, our religions are so similar because I believe they are from the same source but we like to alienate each other. God said in the Quran "We have revealed the Book to you (Muhammad) in all Truth. It confirms the Bible and has the authority to preserve or abrogate what the Bible contains. Judge among them by what God has revealed to you and do not follow their desires instead of the Truth which has come to you. We have given a law and a way of life to each of you. Had God willed, He could have made you a single nation, but He tests you through what He has given you. So compete in righteousness. To God is your return, all of you; then He will inform you of what you had disputed"
"I've read books and I was thinking of the brave people who survived torture, and I knew I was not that brave person" that cracked me up, feel you man
Thanks Dr. Peterson for this interview. What you presented here is certainly different from mainstream media.
Wow! Amazing interview. Jordan is very good at interviewing. This poor guy, I’m sickened by how he was treated and tortured. I sure hope the guards that did this and anyone involved is in prison!
*"You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength." - Marcus Aurelius*
I think this interview has changed me. Especially when he realised his life is done, the only regrets that he wasn't better and nicer Jordan is still contributing a lot to humanity. I realy wish him well
I love this man's story. It reminds me to be grateful. Thank you both
You can hear the happiness and joy in his voice. It's extraordinary.
This is a very touching interview that exposes American war crimes and hypocrisy, thank you both for sharing
@@farzana6676 eleborate please, do you mean afghanistan trips?
@@farzana6676 o.k. Thank you for the detailed and in my opinion extremely elaborated answer! My gut feeling said something like that… thx
@@Kannot2023 dude, if you're calling connections to islamist training camps and family ties to al qaeda normal you seriously have a problem. Also, he was convicted of fraud in Germany, and has used multiple false names. Unless he adresses these things and clears them up properly you can't just ignore that.
@@Kannot2023 OJ wasn't convicted. Bill Cosby wasn't. It doesn't mean they're innocent, it only means there's insufficient evidence to carry out a punishment. It means criminals sometimes get away with things. A western idea, by the way. Let him tell us his opinion on Israel and the jewish faith, let's hear him denounce islamic terrorism and fundamentalist groups.
I wonder.. After having seen an annonymously signed article on BBC's website covering an attack in the middle east outright lying about what happened, I don't believe what anyone tells me, unless I see it with my own eyes
What a beautiful insight he had when in his biggest fear: He did not regtet never having had a lot of money or power or other superficial things, but he regretted all the moments that he has not been nice to humans. That tells you a lot about him
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Thank you so much my friend, for sharing your story. By doing so you're making this world a better place. You're reminding us what humans are capable of, and that the only way to salvation is to be a good, kind and peaceful person.
Two great human beings discussing a painful subject with humanity and honesty. truly great!