How strong would a Cannon Super Saiyan 4 Be?!

Seriously tho

Debatable with super saiyan 1 but for other form i agree

Wrong, SSJ-3 are legendary and original cool looking forms besides the recolors... You could say that Broly's form is kind of a recolor but it also has them get really buff and loses eye pupils. Same for Ultra Instinct which is still pretty damn cool in it's own right just like Ultra Ego even though it hasn't done much...

I agree

FACTS, it even LOOKS cooler. It's aesthetic yet masculine ASf.👀💯💯💯💪🏾🧔🏾‍♂️

Right

And hit. And jiren. And kelfa. Hell any half major enemy in super

Ssjblue is an absolute joke

What have they got to do with SSJ4?

His divine powers supercedes their transformations. Even with "Black Frieza", the Ultra Instinct ability is divine and continues to be honed to higher levels never realized by the gods themselves.

It doesn't make sense. Broly technically doesn't need it because he doesn't have a limit, the whole part of ss4 is the limit breaker.

@@TrevorD19it would be easy to change up the reason behind the transformation, but still keep the look

@@huh3719 Not really, just sparing with Goku or Vegeta is enough to obtain god ki.

Ssj Broly was not on par with Gogeta blue, Gogeta toyed with broly and an when he finally got serious he nearly wiped him out with his spirit breaker until he was wished the fuck outta there

@@DanShvons you are repeating things we know. I'm saying broly grew so fast because we was obtaining god ki on top of his insane abilities. If he gets anything past ss1 his growth multiplier is going to go nuts. He already gets 400x growth from ikari + ss1

It should have been called Saiyan God, with SSB being Super Saiyan God. Tweak some dialogue lines and it fixes the confusion and/or clunkiness and redundancy of the title "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan"

​@@mikeexitsexactly, SSJGSSJ is a stupid fucking name

@@mikeexitsThey referred to as blue instead of its full name.

SSG stopped being powerful by the next fucking movie. Didn't even take an arc - literally the next animated Dragonball content got Frieza surpassing it by a mile.

​@@UniCopsso true

He even gets that wrong because Xenoverse 2 had it rival Blue form and all other promotions have it rival Blue form. Yeah it is irrelevant now with UI and UE but it has way better abilties and look than God or Blue

@@PaulSmith-nb6md yeah this is cap , in xenoverse 2 whis says ss4 would make a perfect god of destruction and In sdbh ss4 rivals ssb and can get stronger than the super saiyan god forms by goin ss4 limit breaker

DBGT was a meme for DBZ, now DBS is a meme for DBGT 😂

Facts

@@redlbd8916 DB GT is a certified hood classic. You can call it canon tbh

Actually what I said the hell is this guy talking about especially if fuse with the contained power of the great ape oouzaru in fuse with master ssg to create a primal ssg goku and take his primal ssg through a super sayian metamorphosis to unlock and mastering the ssg great ape oouzaru to create ss4 powered with the power of ssg

​@@jordansmith9673 ☝️🤓

That's what SS4 Limit Breaker is, featured in Super Dragon Ball Heroes. Pretty gnarly form that was only trumped by UI, if I remember correctly.

Dumbest statement about dragon ball I've read. That makes no sense because it would no longer be SS4 with God Ki. Super saiyan is still super saiyan when they want but super saiyan combined with God ki is super saiyan blue. There is no ss blue 2 or 3. Just a dumb statement. Imagine if you made sense

​@@jordansmith9673you make even less sense than the other dumbass stick to lame stretchy pirates because you clearly have zero understanding of dragon ball

I could only imagine what a super saiyan 5 would be like in that point of view I could imagine it would be what ssg2 is Needless to mention a potential super saiyan 6

They should just give ssj4 to Goten and trunks. They desperately need something to do in the story

Tail​@@ashuraomega1000

The cross would just be a white hair ss4 that’s not weird since that was ss5 accepted design for years

You are forgetting goku is the only ssj4; vegeta can't go ssj4 without the help of blutz waves

The original design for super Saiyan God was a golden version of super Saiyan 4 but they made him redesigned for stupid reasons

Bro I totally agree with you and to add they clearly underestimating the power of Super Saiyan 4

​@@alexprice7375cap

Because they don't want to admit that it actually is far stronger than the god forms

Too hard to animate, low budget simple hair color change to blue.

@@ironaston9858they do not have a low budget at ALL they’re LAZY lol

​@@CrazyAsamiyou're actually wrong

Limit breaker is already a thing

@@ashuraomega1000Limit breaker ssj4 isn’t a god form. It’s an evolution of full power ssj4.

Goku and Vegeta are genius so they would find a way to improve the super Saiyan 4 like combining the Divine ki with the ssj4

​@@marcosrocha1697it's ssj4 limit breaker right?? It's on the same level as UI sign

​@emchie0184 it's not on ui sign levelm

What a fan boy me personally no matter how many time u change the color of your hair you it wont be enough to beat the LEGENDARY SUPER SAYIAN

@@juic-boxnewbie2972 bro shut up!

@@juic-boxnewbie2972 you're fu**king annoying!

​@juic-boxnewbie2972 bro shut up you are fu***ing annoying!

​@juic-boxnewbie2972 so what if I'm a fan boy you have a problem with that? Super Saiyan 4 is the best transformation in Dragon Ball of all time it's not legendary super saiyan, not even close now. Get off me!

Would've been trash. No build up whatsoever. It's why I don't like Blue at all, as well as other reasons.

You can't just slap forms

That would need build up and good writing, something i don’t think toriyama could’ve implemented in that short time

@@randybandyandy I'm sure the building up and good writing for both forms would have been great 👍🏾

Naah bro that's the best design as compared to any other transformation broly deserves it not these kids they are not worth it

That would be awesome

@@user-ty1jz3fj9ethose kids need to grow up

Only full blooded saiyans can achieve it.

@@jaykisuke3397 yeah but still it wouldn't look good on those kids

Naah a bad one. Original super saiyan and MUI is the best.this is almost universally accepted

@@KedondongIQ78 it's my opinion I know the classic SSJ and MUI are great but SSJ4 hits different 🔥

Ssj4 is the coolest transformation hands down

​@@KedondongIQ78why are you hating on ssj4 😭

@@Guitarrman11 probably he doesn't like the whole GT But He Doesn't Know how GT was build Man seriously in my childhood the first anime which I completed binge watching fully was GT and yeah DBZ Was my first anime but GT is Always Peak for me 😍 oh Nostalgic Memories ❤️

I always though it was 10x Ssj3 making it 4000x base

​@majinrebornx2220 me too before!

@@vieuxcon90 there's a strong argument made for the multipliers being higher. 1. Golden Great Ape = Ssj3 x10 = 4,000x base 2. Super Saiyan 4 = 10x Golden Great Ape = 40,000x Base 3. Super Saiyan 4: Full Power = x10 Ssj4 = 400,000x Base 4. Super Dragon Fist = Anywhere between 400,000 and 4 Million x Base

No if you scalled all of GT ssj4 is 1.2 Billion

here's how I see the transformation of the Super Saiyan, first it's a multiple on the base form (except for Super Saiyan 2), and the base form progresses too! SS ×50 on base form Super Vegeta 1.2 ×75 on base form Super Trunk ×100 on base form Mastered SS ×2 on SS form SS2 ×2 on mastered SS SS3 ×2 on SS2 SS4 Oozaru ×10 on mastered SS

Your words are entirely incorrect, but overall harmless. Carry on.

Now stack the god form on top of it.

​@@TheOfficialPSIto be fair, if we are going according to XV2 dialogs, then it would be stronger than SSG since when Fuu gave Goku and Vegeta who were training in Whis' staff SS4, Goku said that it must be the next level of power, and Whis said that they weren't supposed to have that yet

@@righteousone5119why XV2 bruh it is the most non-canon thing to ever exist

You silly gt fans are beyond delusional

Nope that would be a saiyans full potential, not a gods full potential, god forms are completely different as they enter into the territory of the divine, while for all the maximum potential ssj4 brings out it's still limited to the mortal realm, not the divine realm, unlike ssj god which makes the user enter into the realm of the gods which is far above the mortal realm and by extension everything limited to the mortal realm like the ssj4 transformation, god transformations are not a part of a saiyans full potential as much as it is a level of power that allows them to surpass the mortal realm and all the transformations that are limited to the mortal realm like ssj4, especially since unlike ssj4 which can be unlocked by normal ki, god transformations specifically require god ki, not normal ki

@@brianbazira9952 you do remember that Goku SSj defeated Zamasu who is a god in divine realm so SSJ4 can be as strong or strogner then red and blue

@@brianbazira9952 Saiyan biology assimilates and adapts to any external power that the Saiyan is granted, that was the whole point of Goku being able to throw hands with Beerus in regular Super Saiyan form after his God Form ran out, it was a busted Zenkai that elevated Super Saiyan 1 Goku to God levels, and he even tapped into Super Saiyan God again briefly when all the God Ki he had should have been depleted. And that is also the entire reason why Super Saiyan Blue and its evolutions exist. I may be wrong, but I don't recall Goku and Vegeta ever classifying themselves as using "regular Ki" or "God Ki" after they achieved SSB. It was never showcased as two different forms of Ki that they can choose between. It's all just one power with different stages of evolution now. Their Ki evolved from "regular" to "God". It's their power now, it's part of their core being now. Same with Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego, they went from pinnacles to just another power that needs to be surpassed now. You're free to disagree, but I'm saying, given the lore provided, the God Forms have been assimilated into Goku and Vegeta's core powers, and are part of their potential now, and so if Elder Kai unlocks their Potential like he did with Gohan, or they get Super Saiyan 4, either of those will absolutely dwarf the God Forms. But you know what, fine, let's say you're right and that's not the case. Absolutely fair. But even then, you have to keep in mind that Super Saiyan 4 is a limit breaker transformation that acts almost like a new "base" for the Saiyans. It has no stamina drain, no strain on the Saiyan's body, runs out only when they just run out of Ki to sustain it, it is a form that has no definitive power multiplier as it can grow stronger independently from the Saiyan's base power, it can be amped by the Ki of other Saiyans akin to the God ritual, and as SDBH showed us, it can be amped with God Ki which is where Full-Power Limit-Breaker Super Saiyan 4 comes from (Mouthful, I know) which is essentially Super Saiyan 4 God (Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta were amped using the Ki Ritual from GT by SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta and SSGod Trunks, so yes, the forms absolutely assimilated God Ki and they have God Ki in them now). So even if Super Saiyan 4 alone won't be enough, they can literally fuse God Ki into it, and in Goku's case he could absolutely fuse Kaioken and Ultra Instinct with it, creating a true monstrosity of a power. Super Saiyan 4 opens a whole new realm of possibilities and can co-exist with the other powers to create a virtually limitless form.

@@arturzmienko6096 bro the one who defeated zamasu at the end is zeno not goku, just goes to show you don't know anything and are unreliable😑😑😑

@TheScarletWing2490 bro the very fact that you used a non canon game as a source material already throws majority of your argument about ssj4 assimilating god ki out the window, second of all I never mentioned goku and vegeta have stated that they use god ki for god forms, just that god forms use god ki which is explicitly stated in anime, hell super saiyan god specifically required a special ritual to even be possible for goku to transform into, unlike ssj4 which goku achieved by being the brainless monkey he is, literally in ssj4's case, thirdly saying ssj4 acts like a base simply because of the negligible power and energy drain is not a good enough argument, thats like saying super saiyan is like a base form because of the negligible power and energy drain, which is complete nonsense since if that was the case frieza would have been steam rolling super saiyan goku during their first fight, but as we can see super saiyan clearly doesn't "act like a base form" despite the minimum power and energy drain as is clearly far more powerful and stronger than frieza, similarly saying ssj4 is like a base form because of the negligible power and energy drain is also complete nonsense, since if that was the case great ape baby vegeta would have been steam rolling super saiyan 4 goku during their fight, but as we can see super saiyan 4 clearly doesn't "act like a base form" despite the minimum power and energy drain as is clearly fighting on even terms with great ape baby vegeta, fourthly those new saiyan transformations that were "stronger than god forms" were for a reason that you conveniently overlooked to make yourself convincing, and that is the fact, the saiyans with those transformations aka gohan and broly in dragon ball super aren't ordinary saiyans, they are mutants with abnormal power like frieza, due to which even their non divine transformations like beast gohan and legendary super saiyan could rival or surpass the god forms, not to mention your arguments about new transformations always being stronger is pretty weak, this is evident because of the legendary super saiyan transformation achieved by kale should have been by default more powerful than super saiyan blue during the tournament of power, especially since it was a completely new transformation and should have been more powerful by your logic, but as we could clearly see even after kale master her legendary super saiyan transformation and got in control she was still getting dominated by goku as a super saiyan god, proving that new doesn't necessarily mean stronger, nice try tho😑😑😑

Yuh uh

The copium is crazy if you think ssj4 can be equal to super Saiyan god 🤦

@@nameless18782 nuh uh ssj4 is better than ssg

​@@nameless18782SS4 was stated to bring out the maximum potential in a saiyan warrior, so it is similar to Ultimate in that aspect, but obviously, to a much higher degree.

That was a last minute pull and result of bad writing to make him relevant again.

Super Saiyan primal. Make it as strong as if broly went ss3 and also went Gohan's beast mode while in ss3. Make it that strong and call It primal and have it look like gt ss4

This shet is ridiculous

Mui and Ultra ego: the biggest joke in all of dragonball

​@@brianbazira9952you are right they both transformations are just a joke

Ssj5: Repeat that for me I didn’t hear you the first time

Promotional anime form doesn't count

Yes❤😂😂

​@@Navani_gaming_proNuh uh

Didn't watch GT Didn't you?

​@@Iforgotthemamedidn't read DBS did you?

Don't care... either of you?

Except those characters either had an unnatural amount of power and potential or in case of granolah and gas used the dragon balls, so that argument doesn't make much sense, especially if we see the tournament of power, most people goku and vegeta fought as ssjb were fodders, if it was really that easy to surpass ssjb goku and vegeta would have been getting clapped left and right in the tournament of power

@@brianbazira9952 I think he is saying compared to how they introduced those forms especially SSG red form they should be on a level all of there own. Yes they unlocked these supposed god forms but if you can literally train and surpass them then it means so much less. It’s like Jiren he was so fucking powerful that absolutely nothing worked and he wasn’t even a god at all all he did was train super hard, so what was the real point of introducing all this god ki and god forms nonsense. Goku and Vegeta would be absolutely nothing to almost anybody in Super without those forms

well, that's a start.

Legendary Super Saiyan 3 tho

They should just give ssj4 to Goten and trunks. They desperately need something to do in the story

that's exactly what's been happening and it shows.

I would just because that name sounds so lame

@@bertowop9753 Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan's name is slightly lamet tho Edit : lamer

Bro it is a game it is not canon u should start watching the real anime and manga not the games and there animation

@@louaibouhai4368 Non canon things have been made canon in BDS, i don't see your point.

Super saiyan blue is also a lame name.

Super Saiyan Blue 4🗿

The fact that this guy uses xenoverse to measure power levels. Xenoverse! Where mr.satan can beat the sht out of whis!

Also alot weaker tha Evolve ssj blue

To be fair, Broly's base form was up to 50x stronger than Goku and Vegeta's base form, and he was only struggling with base Vegeta because he was adapting as he fought.

Seriously i think they forget how massive of a power gap goku recieved when he transformed. He was getting dogged by bebi and then went ssj4 and was never touched.

Right so untouchable, that his dumbass got devious backshots by super 17, struggled against great ape baby and got wrecked by omega shenron despite being in his limit breaker/full power super saiyan 4 state, nice try though😂😂😂