FROM ANCIENT GUARDIANS TO MODERN MARVELS: THE INCREDIBLE AMERICAN MOLOSSUS
2023 ж. 24 Мам.
20 655 Рет қаралды
Uncover the awe-inspiring journey of the American Molossus, a breed that has transitioned from ancient guardians to modern marvels. Witness their commanding presence, unwavering loyalty, and gentle nature as we explore their fascinating evolution. Join us on this captivating adventure through history and celebrate the magnificence of the Incredible American Molossus. Prepare to be amazed!
That poor dog looks like he's suffering under his own weight. I wonder if he could protect his owner without spraining something.
NONSENSE! I own an American Molossus...and he has NO TROUBLE supporting his own weight. He is 215 lbs and massively strong and sturdy. He's also perfectly healthy. He's never had a single health issue. Believe me when I tell you that, if he wanted to, he would FUCK YOU UP...BIG TIME. Your comment is ignorant as hell. On another note, my dog doesn't appear to have any of the health issues inherent in the Neapolitan. People talk about the "health" of these dogs, as if they are inherently unhealthy. Some people do not seem to understand that by bringing diverse blood lines together from two completely separate breeds, they become HEALTHIER than either of those breeds. Combining breeds tends to ELIMINATE health issues, NOT increase them, as the dogs have more healthy DNA to choose from. This is why mutts tend to be healthier than pure breeds. Marcus is really doing something special with these dogs...and because he is able hand pick each breeding from diverse blood lines, these dogs are generally going to be HEALTHIER than most pure breeds...and in time any potential health issues will be bred out. The American Molossus breeding program is a GREAT way to retain the awesome physical characteristics of the Neo, while eliminating the health issues. So, before you spit out nonsense, educate yourself. Just because a dog looks similar to a Neo, it does NOT necessarily mean they will experience the same health issues. Already, they are much healthier...and will end up being a very healthy breed.
The dogs on the march with the Roman soldiers were lean and mean fighting machines. This dog looks like a half set bowl of jello… with teeth.
I don’t own dogs. I just watch dog videos. I saw this dog and heard this breeders comments and went right to the comments. I’m glad I wasn’t out of my mind. This doesn’t look good. And for me, functionality is everything. This dog can’t do much and won’t do it for long.
Looks like a neo only somehow even worse. People really need an education on what the functional dog types are supposed to look like.
Have you seen the Neo's from the 80's bred by Mike Sotile before his Cane Corso hoax? They were functional and beautiful.
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They are similar to Neos as they were used to both create the Neo thousands of years ago and the Neos were used to bring them back. This breed had less skin than the Neos and had less of a dominant temperament. I will definitely continue to lesson the excessive skin to what is appropriate for this breed
You people are clueless
I mean that’s a brindle Neapolitan. I’d worry about their health and longevity. It is a beautiful dog though.
Thanks for the compliment and I will do my best to get this breed to have a long lifespan but it takes time
Something feels slightly off and sketchy with these dogs, not just because they look incredibly unhealthy but also he doesn’t seem to really care about where and who these dogs go to
I would also ask why so many breeders and owners of large powerful breeds have an almost god complex “ I train big scary dog there fore I am alpha dog” it’s honestly quite cringey 😂
I remember a lot of people commenting negatively on the video he did a few years back. And a lot of negative comments on this video. Y’all have to keep in mind that he’s still developing the breed. Also, he has a vision and seems pretty passionate about making that vision come to light. I respect the persistence. Keep up the hard work big dog 💪🏾.
I really appreciate that. There are plenty of opinions on a good dog, better dog and great dog in established breeds that have been an approved breed for hundreds of years so I’m aware that people will have the same critiques in my breed. That being said, I’m proud of the work that’s been put in, where the breed is and the momentum it’s gained in such a short time. I love this breed and I’m pumped that they’re back.
‘developing a dog breed’ does not excuse making shitty genetics and creating crappy lives for the dozens of dogs hes ‘developing’. even if he made the ‘dream dog’ how many dogs had to suffer with arthritis or skin issues cause this guy sucks ass at breeding?
Honestly, all mastiffs can claim to originate from Mesopotamia and have served as Roman War Dogs. It's a nice mythos usually claimed by Cane Corso people. I'm a fan of the old-style, functional Neo before it was improved into a pile of wrinkles dragged around a show ring by a dog. Perhaps these new dogs are heading in that direction.
The history is fascinating on them all. I love those breeds and if you watch the video all the way through, you’ll see me intentions and I hope to curb any deviation of my standard. Thanks for the comment
Does it look like they are ? They look less functional than a show neo 😂
We are working on a functional version of the Neapolitan mastiff, using mainly the game APBT because of its health and bravery. A little bit of old style Corso too, not the boxer type. We have been working for many years with a lot of set backs, as life tends to throw at you but we are still hard at work
In Italy, they taught me that the breed was a war dog used primarily by the Roman army... as to what you have created, the dog's hind quarters seem a bit weak., and compared to the Neopolitan, seems a bit small. Nonetheless, good luck with your breeding program.
I'm a fan of the old-style, functional Neo you can see in the 80's magazines in before it was improved into a pile of wrinkles dragged around a show ring by a poor dog.
Im glad Im not the only one who observed a weak looking back end for a dog of this size, dog needs way bigger quads to push that body
@@damaristighe3227 I agree on the old style Neo. I saw many of them while attending University in Firenze- primarily tasked with guarding some of the larger rural estates out in the countryside. Simply put, they were massive, surprisingly athletic, AND controllable by those charged with that function (otherwise a LOT of would be intruders would've been relocated to the local morgue). Colored black-at night, they were awe inspiring masters of their domain. I also agree with Keven Rivas, concerning their longevity. I myself have Kangals, and for a modern, giant dog, they have proved both surprisingly healthy , long lived and amazingly good with children.
@@seeratlasdtyria4584 Yikes, a Kangal! From what I've seen these big stock guardians ARE very healthy. They seem to really care for their flocks and are very gentle and sweet with the babies - so I could see that trait may well extend to kids. Would have been wonderful to see the old Neos in life, not just old magazines.
@@livingrighteously79 they're obese, that's the real issue
Looks just like a neo mastiff and out of shape, I would wonder about the health as well
They are similar and can be in as heat of shape to be a couch potato or fun miles daily it’s up to the owner
The dog doesn't move well and the hips look weak.. it's also carrying too much weight.. having said that, I love what he's trying to do... however, the ancient mollossus traversed many many miles in hard conditions with ancient armies and that would require them to be extremely functional animals with high drive and exceptional physical endurance. They may have been very large dogs, but definitely not very heavy.. something in between the Tibetan mastiff and the Sarabi dog. I wish him luck though, and I'm sure these dogs of his are lovely family dogs.
Thanks for the kind words as I’m continuing developing and improving this breed. There were multiple dogs in the video but always appreciate feedback. Strength and power this breed was known for and I’ll work on improving. They are great lovers for sure
Nice to see an update. I remember the first video years ago
Sorry,but by the exaggerated looks of this dog I'm not convinced this breed is a functional one. Looks tired just standing
As this breed is still developing, some have exaggerated type from the breed stock but many do not and are true to the standard. As I mention in the video, it’s up their owners what they do. They can chill or run 5 miles a day. They are capable of both lol
This is the problem when people get animals solely for the looks.
This dog doesn't protect anything, it's super heavy and ugly and belly and slow
Yep, if you want functionality a Cane Corso is a good place to start.
Gorgeous dog !
Thanks si much
Why do you Americans always want to make extreme dogs. This dog can do nothing if an intruder comes. No speed or agility.
I have to say this is a better looking Mastiff than the American Mastiff.
Thanks for the kind words. I love this breed
That one puppy looks great if he grows and still keeps the same look he will be a magnificent specimen
That is the biggest mess of a dog I’ve ever seen !! You’re better off with an English bulldog for protection
Yes. And the poor, sad Old English bulldog is also a modern "recreation" by some guy, and everyone believes the name on the box. The various American bulldog types are much more realistic and tend to be stronger, more agile, healthier and aggressive. So I really would back one of them.
Nice video good info
Very informative and interesting video. Only negative is the music. Continued success with your breeding program.
Thanks so much. I appreciate the kind words
1st love ur series
To all the people talking crap about his dog. There is a short on his channel, of his dog doing protection work. And it is ALL GO. If that this comes for you you are done. These dogs are all business. And once he dialed everything down this program will be amazing.
Poor dog 🐕 😢 😞 😕 😔 💔 🐕!!!!!
Why do you say poor dog?
That statue looks more like an Alabai Dog to me😉
Some statues people say are Roman are actually Rennaissance statues which have a similar look, based on Neoclassical aesthetics - i.e. the art LOOKS Roman.
Doesn't look very functional nor durable... They may bite but overall i wouldn't want one... Too much flab
I'd actually bet on myself to run faster than these dogs.
The shot of it running though... He literally said lightning quick and when it ran it looked like one of them sheep that hadn't been sheered in years.
@@TeenyTheOne😂😂😂😂😂
Nice
The dog is just a cross between an English mastiff and a neopolitan mastiff the dog
This breed started out using those specific breeds with specific type, health and temperaments in the beginning but not now. Mastiffs came from the Molossus in the beginning so we went back to the original
You can't go back to the original because no is sure what the old type looked liked or how big the dog actually was
omg the poor dog. he looks like he is in constant pain. i don't understand how people can be so cruel and breed dogs like that. 😢💔
i like how not once he mentions HOW he is breeding them or WHAT he is breeding them with
We have one, our female has a lot less skin and she’s in 142 and can jump in the back of a jeep. She’s really capable, intelligent, and defensive.
So basically he’s conducting a science experiment
No just deconstructing modern hybrids and going back to the original
This my Dream dog one day i hope to own Mr Curtis right now i own Rottweilers but one day ill have one of these beautiful K9s
are big mastiffs naturally aggressive? may need some infusion from central asian guarding breeds
Great question. This breed is naturally loving and protective but not necessarily aggressive
Good luck Sir
Sorry that dog can’t protect let’s be honest that dog will bite it’s own lips before hitting its target if by some miracle it can catch its target 😂
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Dog or dogs? You are correct in a few cases the lips are more pendulous then others or the standard. Like well established breeds there always will be more extreme cases but make no mistake, loose skin or not, they will bite if needed to protect there family, property or other animals even if it meant biting through its own lip with no hesitation. If you’re ever in my area it would be fun to have you see one in person. I’m super proud of them and think you’d be impressed in person
Yes. It is exactly what I wanted to say. Too fatty and heavy for working dogs.
Why you challenge the dog, instead of talking 💩.
@@alabaiCAChallenge the dog then, See how you go holding a bite shield😉😉😉
I Feel Sasquatch is a major lost
Se ve poco funcional,pariente del Mastin napolitano de Show, equivocacion humana
I don't want to be mean especially knowing that this man read the comments. I honestly am very confused this dog looks like he's not functional, his structure looks abhorant, he looks like he's struggling under his own weight, he cannot move well, the poor thing honestly. And his head in the extra skin is way too much. This is not what an old-school Neapolitan Mastiff looks like at all. What I will say is yes, please please get breeding dogs hips and elbows certified. Be willing to cut dogs from the program. The dogs don't look well balanced. I understand you don't want them to be very agile, but a nice tuck and more balance in body in proportion to the legs will help the dog move better. Also, the wet-look is overdone. They have way too many wrinkles and that causes skin issues, allergies, and vision issues. Also, the dogo argentino probably has the healthiest build of any Mastiff. Some of the core so lines I would say come second. I'm excluding livestock guardian breeds because kangal's are very healthy and have a great build, I'm simply referring to Mastiffs that are used as protection for humans. These dogs do not look like they can move quickly. If you really want the wet-dog look but want a healthy and functional guard dog, the old-school Neapolitan Mastiff before the 1980s would be a much better representation. I'm not surprised that they can live in a condo they look like they gas out before they even get started. Health health & temperament should go hand-in-hand
I love this breed and knowledge F$&@ these haters
I have mixed bread dogo canaries with sharpet and the result was stunning.
We need to link up. I want a pup
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Dogo canaries is that the presa? Crossed with a shar pei? I bet they are beautiful. I would love to see the result. I have a shar pei cross collie he's also a stunning functional dog. He is faster than lurchers with high content of Greyhound and faster than saluki. With lower centre of gravity and can turn on a dime. Also have a shar pei cross Chow Chow and she's a throwback. I can take these two out 10 miles plus and they still have energy to play or train hard.
I’m sure he looks great
Great video as per norm and great content. That being said that is a horrendous breeding program. There is nothing about that dog that will ever be the kind of protection animal they think it will be. It can barely run! It's front and rear are so underdeveloped that its sickening. The sheer level of irresponsiblility invoved in this undertaking is mind boggling.
It sounds to me like you are trying to create the working Neapolitan mastiff
Great question but my focus was to bring back the more ancient guardian which was similar, bigger but with less skin and more protect and less dominant
Is a work in progress!❤
It is and although will continue to elvolve and improve, I love where they are so far
@Marcus E Curtis Would you consider adding African boerboel or Japanese Tosa blood?
@@grizzly7013I’ve been asked that and although I love those breeds and have considered mixing other breeds, I decided to just continue to filter out the past crosses and stay with the original lines
If they ever get AKC, they will be in the Nonsporting group lol.
In all honesty doesn’t seems like he’s cleaning up the breed, it seems more like he’s just breeding the survivors because you can tell by the puppies that they’re so heavy than they can even hold themselves with the rear legs only. Im sorry to say but you’d have to be crazy yo think that something that big can be Lightning ⚡️ fast. It would be better just to work with the Neapolitan and Alabai even Kangals if you wanted to build something more functional but this to me seems as a big NO NO
I would say start again without so much modern Neo.
You can see all that excess weight moving on him when he’s walking. Just to make him seem bigger
Dog looks unhealthy
These dogs don't look anything like the statues. And how can you expect fire in these dogs if they can't even move ?
It’s like a presa and napolian mastiff
Interesting. They could make for premium protection dogs, but given the health issues associated with mastiffs. I am very uncertain about it.
It’s the goal. Using such a large and diverse gene pool matched with health testing, I’m optimistic for better overall health. It does take time
@@marcusecurtis2833 Alright.
I stop watching at 5 minutes.
Amazing Dogs!
Respect the grind but it still needs some development I feel like they will be more of a visual deteriant I feel like they would be greeting an intruder
Looks nice but does not seem very functional, and actually seems like it has hip issues, he probably should read how the dogo argentino was created
You might have to add a little presa to that line
Let me know when you bring back the Thylacine.
I ❤ when they show this dog!
Thanks so much for that. I’m truly proud
An 100 pound 5 year old can outrun that dog
my homie said he only made this dog to compete with his breed up in canada
I own a mastiff. This poor guy screams health problems!!!! I don’t like the face. Ancient molosser dogs weren’t exaggerated, not even Neapolitan Mastiffs. This guys needs help. Look at ancient molosser they are big and heavy but they were lean and functioning. My mastiff is lean and athletic and functioning. His ideal mindset is not ok Don’t like this one Zeke! Not a good take
Anybody else noticed how the dog at 10:23 is walking 😬😢😢😢
Everything big 💪🏽
Those dogs are too heavy with alot of loose skin and very weak rears no muscle in the rear and no rear angulation
Questa razza è sempre il nord America mastiff o è un altra razza???
Would you do a piece on the Central Asian Shepherd Dog please?
Done several already.
@@DogumentaryTVyour a disgrace Zeke the clown 🤡🤡
Humans creating monsters
Just out of curiosity. Did ancient dogs actually grow that big? I associate large dogs with modern medicine and diet. I am surprised to hear that Roman/Greek dogs could grow that big.
WE don't see any representations of this heavy look in Roman art. I'll change my mind if anyone can show an example from Roman times. In 1510 Machiavelli used the name Cane Corso for this general type of guard dog but they didn't really have a stable phenotype that can be said to be a reproduce to type in a fixed "breed". Stable breeds that constitute a genetic "clade" tend to come from the 19thC.
Same in ancient greek art; the vast majority of dog depictions show athletic, muscular but slim dogs in medium and large sizes. There are also some depictions of small dogs which were kept inside the house as companion pets. I am not aware of any ancient breeds that look like this. It would be in contrast to the harmony and functionality the ancient greeks so valued.
@@anthia1156 Precisely. Beauty, realism and harmonious proportions. The Romans used Ancient Greek art as their model, and we've had several periods of Neoclassicism after that. The Greeks were the ones that brought the dogs from Mesopotamia that the Romans inherited. Amazingly archaeologists have found that small domestic dogs were traded around Europe since prehistoric times: we ladies have always loved our lapdogs.
The ancient statues of the Molossus in the British Museum show a dog that looks like a Kangal. Nothing like this overdone monstrosity.
The original Molossus was the size of the standard based on their stature with men of that time. These were from Mesopotamia and Sumer which is before Greece and Rome
Man, it just looks painful how that dog moves. I would be interested to see what the life span on these ends up being and the rates of hip problems
I see bright things for this breed. One a working line and one a stay at home loveable type of dog
I agree and appreciate that. True words they are both
Not a fan.
A protection dog that cant do what it was created for, what a waste.
There is no doubt they are capable of guarding like no other but this video wasn’t designed to show them light up. I have videos of this and am happy to have you see them in person. To see them go from loving to get off my property can be frightening for real
@@marcusecurtis2833 why don’t you showcase it?
I actually do in multiple videos on my KZhead channel 😊
@@marcusecurtis2833 is a intruder going to be wearing a sleeve? A dog trained in prey is not a protection dog.
Need some Boerboel in rhe bloodline
Man and video threw up a lot of red flags. Don't agree w cropping at all as well, but theres a horrific looking cut on one of the puppies 😬 Doubt the breed would be fit for purpose.
This dog cannot walk properly it woddles and definitely cannot run, that trot was so unbalanced. These dogs don't function. I love the idea but the execution is lacking. That level of wrinkles will lead to shar pei fever. Even shar pei shouldn't be heavily wrinkled. There meant to look like the bonemouth shar pei not the Western version.
Seems to me like someone is just wanting a quick paycheck by breeding an abomination and calling it a new breed. People should stop interfering with trying to come up with new dogs and improve existing breeds and their health.
God I wish this guy was fictional.
Its not a molosser if it aint from epirus
There is no need for this dog. Bottom line for this pinhead is$$$. Let's just make the breed disappear
Need to work on your Self 👌 🆗️
SORRY STOP THIS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Legs looks so weak poor thing
He is having trouble with this breed, they literally can't live long enough and many breeders are backing out of helping him.
this is just a neo into a english mastiff been done before whats the life span
I'll give you some ideas to develop the breed, "CHOP YOUR OWN EARS, DOCK YOUR TAIL, OH! YOU DON'T HAVE A TAIL, TRIM WHAT YOU HAVE THAT RESEMBLES A TAIL (NEED A HINT), ""develop" if you don't have the knowledge about the breed, don't develop, go inbreed yourself and see what happens, you may develop your family, there was one and only molossus, nothing such a american molossus, or other kind of molossus, don t be irresponsable!!!!!
If you actually look at statutes of the molosus type dogs this looks nothing like them, far too heavy and their coat is too short.
I support everything this man stands for I just hope the AKC doesn't screw this breed to make money. And keep the standard to Marcus standard. Love Dogumentary TV and Love this breed 💯
You think the AKC can screw this breed up? The AKC does screw up a lot of breeds like the show line German Shepherd, the working lines are the only real German Shepherds frankly, but How can it be screwed up any more than it already is? The dog can barely move, looks like it's suffering under its own weight, does not look functional looks like it's going to have a lifetime of health issues, skin issues, I issues, ear issues, gastrointestinal issues, hip and elbow issues. This dog looks so unhealthy it looks like Frankenstein but what's more horrifying is how unhealthy it looks
I appreciate you and your support. Thank you
Agreed with the way to much loose skin
People are a trip, mix a few Neapolitan with another mastiff breed then slap a name or take a name, might as well call it a North American mastiff, O wait someone did that too. 😂😂 but you can’t recreate a extinct animal once it’s gone unless you clone them, and you can’t do that from your backyard I’m sry just can’t. Wonderful mixed breed, bit chunky for my taste 😂
This is why you need a purpose for a breed and saliva healing its not one. How can you bring a dog back from so many years ago ? the genes of those ancient dogs are lost in time the genes from modern dogs the ones he is using for his breed are not the same. Do a DNA test in one of this dogs and you will find 40 or 50 percent neapolitan mastiff and the modern neo not eve the one from 100 years ago the one that is all show and looks. That is why this dogs look like gentle giants .
😂 I don’t see this breed running 5 miles a day. Either the definition of running is off or the definition of 5 miles is not the same. This dog is sloppy
I don’t see a guardian at all
I’m not here to bash in any way. But those dogs look unhealthy in multiple ways. I can see what he’s aiming for but I can also tel it’s a work in progress
Smh he still breeding this BS
This dog looks like it can hardly run, and what is this background music? Terrible, sounds like clown music.
Not a fan of the background clown circus music 😢
Well it's a clown in the video
This is animal abuse 😭🤢😭🤢😭🤢
My issue is he says he is recreating the ancient mollosuss breed. Those dogs do not even look like working dogs. This guys is full of crap and he is praying on those who dont know any better. What did he say that his dog was getting surgery on its elbow and passed away. Thats unfortunate. Stop saying you are bringing back the ancient breed as if you know what it was. You know that is not true. You have created what you think those dogs might have been. crossed a nio with a english mastiff.