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That second statement is Forest's lawyer literally kicking Marinakis off the computer and taking control of the twitter account lol
Thinking about the prem's statement, Forest isn't improperly questioning the quality of match officials, they are entirely properly questioning the quality of match officials.
no their not. its so silly and stupid and rediculous. the refs are bad. really really bad. we should be discussing why the refs are so bad and performing so poorly. instead we are all discussing a stupid conspiracy theory where the refs are trying to save luton from relegation. they arnt. no one is trying to save luton from relegation. dumbest conspiracy i ever heard. this ref should be reffing in league two next week. the PGMOL should be getting hammered for constant terrible refs and for regularly ruining games. but no we have to waste time on flat earth nonesense. there is no corruption. there is no evidence of corruption. there is no history of corruption. there isnt even the slightest hint of corruption. no one, and i do mean NO ONE, is rigging the league over at the PGMOL. saying there is a huge conspiracy to save luton from relegation is a complete and waste of everyones time. the refs are incompatant. like they have always been. not everything is a god damn conspiracy.
@@NeilLewis77 didnt you just agree with the original comment?
no one said it was a conspiracy
@@Ninjakiw1 no. Forrest are suggesting that the refs conspired to throw the game in evertons favour in order to save luton from relegation. the reality is the refs are fecking awful at their jobs. Forrest deserve a huge fine for spreading such lies.
@@Ninjakiw1 everyone is saying its a conspiracy. its all over youtube, twitter, the sports pages that the PGMOL are corrupt. everyone saying the refs are deliberately getting things wrong because they have no integrity. with no evidence of that whatsoever. its all so childish and pathetic.
I agree with the refs. Marradona was doing a natural super Mario jump while trying to head the ball, it just helps him jump higher.
Again, a super natural running position
Tbf I don't blame Forest calling the ref and VAR's integrity into question, because the Hudson-Odoi incident is sheer incompetence at best and corruption at worst.
The most absurd thing to me its people not wanting others to question their integrity. This "we can't question the institutions" bs gets in my nerves, ffs, football is a sport tainted by corruption for a long time now, banning any criticism of them just makes their corruption and incompetence even more obvious. If you can't hold them accountable for these things it will never get fixed.
None where penalties Forest a cry baby losers
@@laser__unicorn Every major sports league exists to benefit organised crime and match fixing. They do not care about the integrity of the game. They care about making money. If they let people question it, then it'll fall apart. No major sports league is legitimate. Every major sports league has match fixing. It is extremely obvious, there are thousands of cases of confirmed match fixes globally, but fans insist on the idea games aren't essentially scripted by the refs despite the overwhelming avalanche of sports match fixing that comes out every single day.
while I think a club releasing a statement which insinuates the VAR might have influenced the game for the club he supports is crazy, three potential penalties (at least one I'll call Stonewall, imo) not getting given is INSANE.
The fact it's 3 makes it even worse, 1 you can forgive, 2 you can be sceptical, 3 seems intentional.
And it's not like all 3 would be harsh if given. 2 of the 3 were calls you could have called on the field without VAR
Once upon time there used to be a difference between handball and deliberate handball. Handball was when the ball hit the hand without any (obvious) intent and led to an indirect free kick. A deliberate motion to the ball and it was a direct free kick/penalty. Note an indirect free kick can happen in the box. These rules were not perfect but were generally understood by most players, officials and fans. FIFA/UEFA and latterly IFabs decisions to try and simplify this rule has consistently made it worse - just like offside. Now, 9 times out of 10, the rules do not fit the crime. So often with a sliding or hand moving, an indirect free kick would be a reasonable (and more interesting) conclusion to that scenario. Maybe one day we will return to those days and see a more true version of then game.
Handball used to be the only offence for which intent mattered
Props to Frest for sticking to what they believe in and not let the big boys bully them. How the premier league handle this will set the precedent for how clubs react to such moments in the future.
i mean they aren’t blaming a big boy club tho. they’re blaming quite literally the smallest boy in the biggest league
@@MarcosGarcia-pj3pq big boys i.e. PGMOL and Premier League . Not any particular club.
They only got promoted due to dodgy decisions, so they have no room to talk when they're on the wrong end. Where's my tiny violin?
Forest will get a massive fine and all the media will cheer. Clubs cannot be allowed to question the referees as that reflects on the integrity of the Premier league and god forbid that anyone should do that. Clubs have to keep doing this or fans will never be able to believe in the outcome of matches.
Forest think they are the biggest club in Europe lol 😆
The original tweet from Forest was the most viewed in the world for 36 hours. That says something.
Hey Z, here watching you from Argentina. I think ti Would be very interesting to see you making a video about the recent chenges in the Argentinian league. We went from 20 to 30 clubs in the first división, to now going an entire year without a proper league, only playing a knockout tournament. (They also took out a relegation spot mid season)
I haven't checked a lot of Argentine games other than those of my fave team, Boca Juniors (last game, we won El Súperclasico! Hell yeah!), but I'm surprised looking now to see how much more...complicated it all is.
That sounds very messy
Where did they get the extra 10 teams? Did they just bring them from the second division and just follow the chain down? I've seen similar changes to get more teams, but there's a plan and takes a few years (1 team goes down, 3 teams go up, and it takes 5 years to implement). This sounds like a complete mess for the whole pyramid
¿Vos querés que Zealand pierda el poco pelo que le queda, tratando de entender el desastre que es el fútbol argentino?
@croskoal to give you a summary: Argentina's football pyramid, in the third tier, gets split between "directly affiliated" clubs (mostly from Buenos Aires) playing their own tournament, and "indirectly affiliated" clubs (the majority from all the other provinces of the whole country) playing a separate tournament. All the "indirect" teams are usually very angry that they unfairly have to endure huge travel costs to play each other, while the Buenos Aires teams have their little separate tournament from themselves. So in 2015 the First Division allowed 10 teams to be promoted, not only to "give smaller teams a chance to play in the top tier" but also because the 10 teams leaving the Second Division were replaced by 10 teams from the Third Division, *which were mostly "indirect" teams from outside Buenos Aires,* in an effort to "make the distribution of teams more fair and inclusive" to the indirect teams". Of course, when years later they realized that having a tournament with 30 teams was a mess to figure out, there have been attempts to bring it back to normal by gradually increasing relegation spots. Problem is, the presidents of the "smaller teams" (who risk relegation if the tournament returns to normal) have been successfully lobbying against the increase of relegation spots, so we're kinda stuck at weird, excessive numbers like 26/28 teams. So as a result, the tournament configuration changes constantly, with the current version featuring two zones of 14 teams each and a play-off format to determine the winner, because a regular tournament with 28 teams would mean 54 matches, something impossible to fit in the calendar.
Intent with handballs is so strange to me. Players don’t intend to miss their shots so shouldn’t we just give them the goal anyway even if they miss?
Sideshow Bob: "Attempted murder! No, honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for ATTEMPTED chemistry?"
That is a very natural running position (if you're Naruto)
You missed the middle tweet where Forest said they wanted the audio of the officials released during all of those discussions
I think you need to understand context on this one to fully grasp why this has happened. Beef between Forest and the PGMOL has been growing all season, ref’s have been making terrible calls, we’ve been winding them up by releasing statements, sending letters etc. This all led to us hiring Mark Clattenburg as a publicity stunt and essentially a ‘fuck you’ to the PGMOL. Fast forward to today and relations are so bad, there is no doubt in my mind that unconscious bias is at play from referees as naturally they must fucking hate us at this point. I genuinely believe that Forest have had 2x as many terrible decisions as any other club. (Yes I know all fans say that but just look at some of the decisions). Second annoying thing is that everyone is saying ‘how dare they accuse anyone of corruption’, we know corruption happens across the globe at all levels of football and whether it is in Italy, Nigeria, Argentina (where corruption has been proven) or in England there should be no barriers to making accusations at all if you feel they’re warranted. It’s just arrogance that makes us think England is far too good for corruption or bias.
Wolves definitely have a good shout at having as many decisions as Forest. They've had some awful calls. Still seems shady anyway, if it was a big six team like Liverpool there would have be an apology by now.
They removed the intentional handball rule a few years ago. Now it's to do with positioning of the arm in relation to the players body. Also some nuance about things like falling over and such. But intentional handball now just means guaranteed yellow card.
The change was because of VAR
"how is ashley young all 3" because he absolutely honks and dyche will never play our better options over his eleven friends
bruv you won the match
@@MarcosGarcia-pj3pq yea but i feel bad for forest fans we didnt deserve the win.. 3 potential pens and a .46xG? no chance.
@@gevss sometimes luck doesn’t go their way and that’s ok
They where not pens Forest deserve relegation Shit fans shit club
When Zealand actually goes on his run today.
It's Ashley Young on all three decisions because, well, it's Ashley bloody Young. The man's older than most trees at this point and he cannot keep up. As an Everton fan I can see all three being given and have seen all three given so many times, we've also seen all three not given at all. I was surprised none were. We got lucky. Doesn't happen very often, it seems, but we did. Meltdown from Forest's statement afterwards felt like every fan in the pub after a game. You never hear that from an official club source. It's the inconsistency from referees that EVERY football fan hates.
FACTS
think they are mad because they literally requested a different referee as that referee is a fan of their relegation rivals and then he goes and does that
@@justawarlordMaybe this is my Everton-supporter negativity, but I honestly don't know why a Luton fan would want to rig a game FOR us. Yes, if we lose we have a point more than Forest do now with a game in hand over Forest and Luton, but that game in hand is Liverpool 3 days afterwards. You could basically chock that as a loss already. Brentford and Arsenal are hardly easier. Sheffield should be an easy 3 even for us when our strikers can't score, but if Luton beat us and we lost to Forest, we would probably go down in Luton's place. Forest have Burnley and Sheffield who they should be able to beat. So if we lose, all Luton have to do is beat us when they already beat us away and we realistically have a maximum of four available points left. If Forest win their two winnable games, that puts them on more points than we would've had if we lost to them and Luton, making it harder for Luton to stay up. Sorry for the long-winded and confusing comment. I know it's not good for optics exactly, but I just don't think he would've had a horse in the race or at least not us. Edit: and I just wanna add since people may not know, but Everton's football is truly dreadful. It is indescribably bad. That's why I'm so lacking in confidence that we can beat basically any of our remaining fixtures. Forest are a better team and looked as much on the day, their goalie just had a howler with Gueye's goal and the other one was another lucky long shot. That win genuinely at least halved our chances of relegation in my eyes because 3 points right now is hard to come by.
If no body can talk about it it will never change. Var and the premier League is corrupt week in week out there are things happening
no its not. dont be silly. just because forrest think the earth is flat doesnt mean you have to aswell.
@@NeilLewis77frankly I don’t give a shit if it’s corruption or incompetence. It’s so incompetent at this point that it’s corrupt, like whoever is in charge of fixing this hasn’t been doing his job for 3 years that maybe he is corrupt and allowing bozo’s to be prem refs
@@NeilLewis77 then they are just incompetent but they manage to put the pants on in the morning. If you ban people from voicing injustices then that's just wrong in every way
@@seuso2131 ban it? im all for it. i think Forrest should of spent all week screaming from the roof tops about how they were robbed by a blind ref who needs firing. instead they start straight away with "the VAR guy is a luton fan", as if they are all doing it on purpose to hurt forrest and save luton. which obviously isnt true. If someone steps on your foot you have every right to get mad at them. but if someone steps on your foot, you shouldnt go around spreading lies saying he did it on purpose because he has a foot stamping fetish. making up lies, isnt a good idea. Forrest deserve a huge fine.
@@NeilLewis77 what if the guy was known for stepping on people's foot and you told people before it happened
Another stone cold penalty that immediately comes to my mind is from Arsenal vs. Bayern 2 weeks ago, when Arsenal's Defender just took the ball, that was already in play with his hands in like the 66th minute or so. And the reasoning that it's a "kid's mistake" that he won't count at a UCL quarter final is even more egregious to me lmao
I've seen kids, actual kids, penalised for Gabriel's "mistake". I'm talking U-9s being penalised. If a referee knows the rules but doesn't apply them because they don't feel its the right time to do so then they shouldn't be refereeing.
It's funny, we never had a show called "Ref Watch" before VAR.
That's a weird point
Luton the master of the dark arts? LOVE TO SEE IT
VAR literally has made the game unwatchable. Good goals get disallowed because a striker's toenail is about the length of an atom offside while not actually getting obvious penalty calls right.
automated VAR next season will literally do what you've said in this comment, but Offside rule should be changed how Arsene Wenger said, the attacking player should be ahead with all his body; that should be the new Offside rule.
They officiate var decisions in bundesliga nearly instantly, I think it’s about the corruption in the prem
this is literally the most normal club announcement in Greece
Zealand can you make a video on the gateshead fc situation? The EFL are barring them from the national league play offs, and potentially a historic promotion because of regulations around stadiums.
awb was a hand ball but its frustrating how inconsistently the rule is applied (grealish and young same weekend no pen)
also pgmol has been a disgrace all year
and this is the problem, if they were never given that would at least be consistent, but that the ref is like, thats a natural position when thats nowhere in the rules, and another ref is like no it isnt... based on basically nothing other than their own vibe of the moment
the running position in a marathon is not the running position of someone changing direction constantly, upload a video of you completing a beep test "naturally" over 12 and see if your arms are glued to your sides
Yeah I agree
Sure, but neither was Ashley Young running lol
@@nsriv225 He was trying to block it with his foot, thats why the arm is where it is.
@@Lion_Pokerball was going to wood Gotta be a pen, clear goal scoring opportunity
View as an Everton fan: First one was not a penalty. If it was called as one that would have been grounds for Everton to complain. Almost nearing the "yellow for simulation" shout more than "PK" shout. Second one probably should have been a penalty, but it feels like until the refs all get on the same page it will occasionally not be called. Forest should have been a bit upset about that one but there tends to be a few more questionable calls each match week overall. Third was one of those worse calls. No idea how that one was not called.
The first one is soft, but it's been given before, and I'm absolutely certain Everton fans would call it a penalty if it happened to them.
@@connor9295 Its the type of penalty where if it was called against Forest and Everton got a PK there would still be three "bad calls" against them. A good example of a exceedingly soft call that you want in your favor, but probably should not be called.
Notthingham forest also has an arugment with the language of the rule... It says 'improperly', and they can argue that, based on video evidence and the VAR being a fan of another team, they werent "improperly" calling out match officials. Instead, they could argue they were properly calling them out.
Improperly in the legal context means publicly and in open. Properly is making the accusation in private, behind closed doors. Improperly means impacting upon their reputation in anyway.
There’s a perfect quote that says “never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence”
I’ve watched a lot of Serie A this season and not as much EPL and it just felt different. It took me several matchdays, but I’m strongly of the opinion that the Italians have it figured out much better to be honest. There have been very few times where I’ve been baffled as a neutral. Whereas, every week in the EPL I feel like there is at least one of these
As an athlete (American Football, Baseball, & track), Arena & Semi-Pro Football also Triple-A Baseball, the "handball" is not a penalty as his hand was in a natural bodily position as he is sprinting while changing directions. The running position from a marathon and a sprint while turning is completely different. The last 1 I would give as penalties, but the handball would be harsh. Also the best result from the game for Luton, would have been a draw as it keeps Everton in the relegation battle, and Luton still have to play Everton. A draw in the NFFC match and a Luton win over Everton would have gotten Luton out of the relegation zone. Now Luton has to hope Forest drop points elsewhere while they don't.
To be honest, I know this won't happen, but I'm hoping clubs rally along with Forest. There's been way too many VAR decisions that've genuinely seemed like they were decided by a dude who takes the short bus to the school everyday, and in some massive fixtures too (Liverpool-Tottenham and Arsenal-Newcastle for example). They've also given fouls on tackles that look identical to tackles they don't give fouls to. I know the PGMOL will never get their dues, and honestly I watch the Bundesliga so I don't really give a shit, but the fact that their fuck ups have been so high profile that even I've clued in goes to show just how shit they are refereeing a football game. I'm with Forest on this one, the league can pick one and suck it.
This is just a overall feeling in the prem rn every club in the league wanted to say what nottingham said they just didnt these refs are paid very well to fail and they have almost no consequences for how bad they referee a game
In Portugal we have a show every month where some dubious calls are reviewed by a official of the referee council... It should be all dubious calls, but it's a start
You have to remember that Forest had Brian Clough as manager for the best part of 20 years. Cloughie was probably one of the most outspoken managers of all time in the English game. If he saw something as wrong then he'd let it be known that it was wrong in plain English.
I am an Australian. In a local Aussie sport (AFL), assessment of player's intent and available reaction time has become a major, formal part of the decision process used to give players suspensions for dangerous tackles. I promise, you DO NOT WANT ANY PART OF THAT in football. All it leads to is painfully protracted arguments, enormous and long-lasting controversy, and just as much inconsistency as you would get if these things were decided by a human ref on the fly. At least when human refs make mistakes it is easier to accept and easier to explain than the VAR - not to mention the massive impact VAR has on the flow of the game
The Total Soccer Show said that the owner of Forest wanted to tweet something way crazier and this was the compromise tweet.
Watch the premier league deduct forest more points
I hope so; they got deducted only 4 points and Everton for the same thing was deducted 8 points...
@@MihailBFC Everton did the same thing TWICE and got 8 points, which makes sense surely
@@MihailBFC yeah true I've heard that if Sheffield lose to man U there relegated
For the initial tweet I would relegate them
@@TheGordybear true but if VAR is a genuine issue the Refs making human error it should be pointed out.
From what I observed, the first one shouldn't have been a penalty. I understand that modern officiating can be strict about minor infractions, but in my opinion, that shouldn't have been called. Regarding the handball, I honestly don't think it warranted a penalty either. If you watch closely, it seems he was lifting his leg to block while still in the process of turning around. Plus, he was only about a yard away from the opponent. It's reminiscent of an incident earlier in the season when Everton conceded a penalty against Man City under similar circumstances, causing quite a stir because many argued it was too close to call. The last penalty, however, seemed like the only legitimate one that was missed in my view.
Dermot out here looking like a ghoul from Fallout but with slightly more skin
Zealand may be the only person on earth that doesn't look weird when their face gets mirrored
Everton fan here third one is a clear pen the others are not
As an Everton fan as well. The 2nd & 3rd are definitely pens. If I was a ref, I would definitely be calling both. But hey I’m just gonna keep my mouth shut and take the 6 points. Every team in this league has had bad calls go for and against them this year. We just happened to get pretty dam lucky in one game. And I do wish luck to forest for us both to stay up
Referees seemed to be a lot better before there were 12 HD cameras recording every single game for a worldwide audience so all of their decisions could be scrutinized for days on end (see also: football, basketball, hockey)
Another main issue is inconsistency, all three of those exact scenarios have been given as penatlies earlier on in the season, prime example being the wan bissake handball as you said. It needs to be uniform, even if all three arent pentalties, then no penalties can be given for similar offences or it just becomes chaos
When the ball hits your arm And you did mean no harm That's amore.
I hate that you see 3 times the same hand ball, but it gets only ones given
3:40 - Me: dude looks exactly how i expected him to look Z: He looks exactly how you'd expect him to look. Yep. 😂
Forrest is running from FFP, just as Z is running from me. I have your location. Run.
In all honesty, clubs should be allowed to tweet stuff like this, we need to see the perspective of clubs on such "refereeing errors"
mental. flat earth mental. theres no corruption. the refs had a shocker and should be reffing in league two next week. but to say the PGMOL is trying to rig the premier league to save luton from relegation is one of the dumbest things you people have ever come up with. its insane mate.
@@NeilLewis77you keep saying this but if this is the level of their ability to ref and it’s consistent which it is, they shouldn’t be referring at all no matter the level
Intent definitely should be accounted for, but not in whether to give or not give a pen but whether a card should be shown.
A little bit of marinakis and greek league spice in premier leagues 😂😂 i love it
4:23 - "YIPPEE!!!!"
Regarding intent in handballs: intent is in the rules but people interpret it in a different way than the rules intend to. It's about it being in a position that happened due to a movement made by the player and not a third party. When you're running, you're intentionally (but subconsciously) moving your arms back and foward to help with balance, therefore it would be a handball
Lmao I typed all that before watching the clip, that shit isn't even debatable
I feel like I'm craving a Hamburger 🍔
a hamburger sv perchance?
No Hamburger. Be like Zealand RUN
Or chocolate turtles?
the coincidence because i legit am reading this while eating a hamburger
I read this in Infantino's voice. 😂
You brought up a good point about the 1st incident with Gio Reyna, not all contact in the box is a penalty, but through out the season we see ridiculously soft penalties being given all the time when there's minimal to no contact (Harvey Elliot vs Man United) There is no consistency, only the vibe of the referee, Personally I think they should have a select team of referee's for VAR who never rotate, they do VAR for every match day, that way we can at least see some consistency.
Respectfully how the fuck is it never appropriate to question integrity of match officials😂
Because if you think your officials are corrupt why watch or play?
@@TheGordybear so you telling me if I have proof of some corrupt shit it wouldn’t be appropriate for me to question their integrity
Don’t fully agree with it either, but I can see why - It can be fairly easy for it to get out of hands and affect the safety of refs (like as Z mentioned, in the Turkish league)
@@austinlarrimore6542 but you dont
@@austinlarrimore6542You can question their integrity (rightfully so imo), but not coaches/players/etc to the press. I’m fairly certain there are established internal channels for that sort of thing, but I’m not 100% sure on how good they are. Have a friend who’s a ref in the lower leagues though so could ask him if you’re curious
If a person isn’t questioning the integrity of the refs and the pgmol, then they haven’t been watching.
ive been watching all of it since the 1980s and if anyone is questioning the integrity of the refs then they havnt been watching. refs make mistakes. always have. its nothing new. in fact because refs made so many mistakes people complained so much that they brough in the VAR system. there is no corruption. theres no rigging. this is all so stupid. trying to convince me that the refs are deliberatly trying to save luton from relegation is as dumb as flat earth nonesense. it just isnt true. the refs arnt rigging the league to save luton. obviuosly. the refcs are bad. terrible at their jobs. they need firing for being crap. instead we have to listen to conspiracy nutcases tell everyone the game is rigged. you wasting everyones time with this horse dung.
Has that Pepe frog always been there? 😂
Bisaka tried to get his arm out of the way but was a bit too late
If that happened with Crystal Palace, I would laugh so bad
4:10 It absolutely is.
I want to race you for money ASAP if that's what you think running looks like.
@@vinceo1058 he tries to block it with his foot hence the arm movement
@@Lion_Poker His change of direction is that he hits the ground after doing the RB version of a star jump. He's making himself bigger, and that's really all he's doing.
I regularly watch your channels Z, I love what you do. I'm a Forest fan. This reaction isn't just because of the game against Everton. This has happened to us all season. There are montage videos of some (not all, probably 50%) of the bad calls that have cost us games. This reaction, whilst reckless is exactly how we're all feeling. How people at the top of their profession can get stuff wrong for so long is either gross incompetence or they're bent. And if it's gross incompetence you pick, why have they remained in post for the entire season? Jobs for the boys? Either way the integrity of the officials in the EPL is damaged, but not by NFFC's X account.
If the people directly involved cannot question the integrity of something, there is no integrity.
When a Zealand actually goes for a Run
at this time i actually like the phrasing the german FA uses, the phrasing is as soon as you "increase your body area with your arms" its to be called as a pen, the problem is the permanent changing of that ruling so i feel like even refs are confused by now
I agree with you about the handball penalty rules - as the rules stand, sticking your arm out and having the ball strike it IS meant to be called a penalty. I do disagree, however, with the people who SET these rules - there ARE plenty of times where having your arms spread is important... not necessarily for "running" as such, but if you are jumping, using your arms for leverage gives more height, and if you are facing an opposing attacker, crouching with your arms out means you can react quicker if the opponent tries to take the ball past you in either direction. The rules used to clearly include intent as part of the requirement for a handball (and those standards for "intent" were interpreted more stringently inside the box than outside), and having a ball fired towards you from close range never counted as a foul... I also hate seeing players trying to defend with both arms behind their backs, because if anything is an "unnatural position", it's that...
If zeland (my therapist) doesn’t release the video on el Classico I’m going to have another stroke. Still can’t believe they called that as a penalty let alone the phantom goal.
The var officials have been incompetent all season, for so many teams. Teams are right to criticise. There’s no consistency
for the second pen - it should have been, but I can see how it wasn’t given based on proximity. Even if Young puts his arm out, he did it before the ball was kicked and couldn’t move it out of the way…. It’s devious as all hell though….
Arsenal and Liverpool have also questioned the state of the referees this year. I think even Pep has said something once or twice. It's not just one club. The biggest problem is the people working with VAR. VAR was introduced to make it 100% right, and while calls on the field can be questionable and perhaps even left up to debate, VAR was supposed to solve that by giving the referees the chance to make things right when something was missed. But so many things have been missed and it speaks to the incompetence of these people that they can't get calls right even with VAR. Some of the offsides calls where the VAR has said the player was offside even though they weren't because someone forgot to draw a line or confused the on field call with what they were supposed to check is just simply not ok. It's the equivalent of going to McDonalds and they give you a burger patty that is still frozen. Somewhere the quality has to be questioned and fixed for the state of the game. Because the more these calls come into play, the more it feels as it something corrupt is pulling the strings to make the league more money with tighter margins. As for the handball talk, I am still not over the Arsenal loss to Newcastle where 3 different things were looked at by VAR and subjectively dismissed but in the audio they suggest a handball might be in question too and dismiss it and never look at it. The player uses his hands as a basketball goal to allow the ball to bounce off his body and arms to the attacker who scores. Was called out in the audio but never reviewed because he wasn't the "goal scorer"... And I can't help but feel like if there are 4 questionable moments in a play and they are all subjective that maybe just maybe we should error on the side of caution and not give that goal. The idea that, that goal may crown Man City(116 FFP charges), with their billions in Saudi money and questionable league practices in loaning "referees" to Saudi for money speaks to the easy link in suggesting corruption. It even worries you more when you hear the league is talking about changing the FFP rules to allow spending with fines, which would probably give Man City a way to get out of all their charges.
No views 51s fell off etc, several more memes to drive engagement
I can respect the lack of effort here
The same lack of effort you show when not running lol jk
Z, I agree with you on the wan bissaka penalty, but the offside was clear offside. It doesn't matter if it is 1cm or 1m.
Seems like more than 140 characters
It was an insane weekend for bad var calls. What’s the point of var if it’s just going to get calls wrong anyways.
I am sitting here in Germany and still celebrating the win of the fans over the DFL, which overshadows the small problems we have right now. 2024 was a good football year so far. :)
Is this that different than Liverpool's statements following the VAR error at the beginning of the season? Klopp called for a replay, and I don't remember discussions about repercussions for him
Why is your camera inverted
14:33 the thing is, if Forest is telling the truth, they DID property question the integrity of the VAR prior to the game, and their argument was ignored. If they have proof they did this, they may have a better - if not perfect - argument against the PL. Regardless, the third non-call was fucking atrocious, and Forest should be furious about it. Hopefully they will publicly release the VAR audio, but....
The person in change of the Twitter account is definitely getting fired. Imagine if they get more points deducted and get relegated all because one person who's job is to promote the club so that they get better sponsorship deals and to not lose their cool in situations like this.
I thought the thumbnail was a fake tweet 😭
Gio reyna had the back of his heel stomped on, i think its a pen
In fact a draw is what would of been needed by Luton 😂😂
I think you are wrong about this. Sprint, and then stop suddenly, and see where your hands are. It's a natural position for bipedal creatures trying to regain balance, after stopping suddenly.
So you can’t call out corruption at worst and incompetence and best? Sure.
"The refs are jut bad" Well, that's ok then!
you should check the Pen given to Villa they played Burnley at home , was even less contact than the second foul of Young, it was a pure dive and they didn't even checked it.
so the ref is a burnley fan? whats ur point?
@@NeilLewis77 because they gave a pen to Villa ? can you read?
@@MihailBFC yes. they are saying the refs didnt give pens to forrest because one of them is a luton fan. a mental conspiracy theory. what is it your suggesting about the villa pen? why do you think they didnt check it? because the refs a burnley fan or what. i read what you put. thats why i replied dummy.
I feel like a year or two after VAR was introduced back in 2018, so around 2020-2021 VAR was legit good. Maybe it’s because refs were still taking proper precautions for decisions, and then also adding Var, but now refs basically wait for VAR to give them a decision. Idk man, I think refs have regressed because they rely too much on it. I mean it’s a really really good thing actually. VAR is probably 90% accurate with good outcomes. But they just have really bad calls that 10%. I think VAR is still extremely useful. But the refs also need to be trained or something.
I feel like I'm craving a Hamburger
None of them were penalties, the Forrest statement was just an embarrassment. Third one is a situation that is constantly called wrongly in favour of the attacker who causes the collision and then goes down.
14:03 bro at this point, the officials are so good at being bad that every mistake they make seem nefarious to the average fan.
16:37 the PGMOL did damage to the way the game is seen, the club called them out and amplified the situation making more people see it but it was the PGMOL that actually committed the actions/made the mistakes that damaged the way the game is seen. blaming the club for calling out the clearly bad decisions made by the PGMOL is like getting mad at a whistle-blower for calling out government corruption because if they didn't it would have kept happening but you could have continued to pretend that everything was fine.
Nottingham has complained about officiating all season. Which is probably why they aren't getting calls and it's why I always give neutral responses about refs on FM press conferences lol
Fwiw only the 3rd was a penalty kick
Forest have short memories, they weren't tweeting about bad decisions after the play-off final were they? In fact they were singing "We Love VAR" on the town hall balcony.
every weekend here in Greece we have this type of statements about referee's decisions . You would love to live here Z and watch the Greek Superleague championship !
Genuinely don’t know what’s a pen, what’s a foul, what’s a dive, or what a red card is anymore.
guys i think he ran a marathon last year
Video starts @8.45
Well, Nottingham would definitely be robbed more 😂 😂 😂
Agree with everything apart that VAR is “new” … that’s gotta be the worst excuse ever for these terrible calls. Just because it’s “new” doesn’t mean that they can’t open their eyes. Hell, VAR was put into place to get these calls, RIGHT! AND THEY STILL COULDNT GET A CALL RIGHT. Premier league is as corrupt as can be…
it;s been like 5 years, it's not that new anymore, "new" could have been uses as an excuse for the 1st year, after that it's no longer acceptable.