FORD'S HIDDEN BOOST Tank - Welded TITANIUM filled with ANTI-LAG

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Ok so today we're talking about a cheat....well no....technically this wasn't a cheat it was a very very creative interpretation of the rules of the world rally championship.
So the year is 2003 the car is the Ford Focus RS WRC 03 and the motor-sport discipline is the World Rally Championship.
Now in 2002 Ford introduced newly designed version of the Focus for the WRC. Most of the important stuff was redesigned from the ground up, the body shell was made lighter and aerodynamic enhancements were introduced.
But one of the most noticeably changes was the replacement of the front and rear bumpers with US spec bumpers which was a bit weird as the car was based on the European Focus. But fitting different bumpers isn't against the rules and most initially suspected that the US bumpers offered some sort of aerodynamic advantage or something.
Now the real reason for the US bumpers is that US safety regulations demand larger and more prominent bumpers. A regulation that's notorious for uglifying many cars. But this time a larger bumper had a completely different agenda because inside the bumper the Ford World Rally team concealed a 45 liter tank made from 2mm thick titanium sheets.
So what was the titanium tank used for? It was used to store boost. I know it may sound ridiculous but this was it's actual purpose. The tank was connected to the engine via 4 meters of 30mm diameter piping. When the car was off throttle and the turbo was generating boost that the engine wasn't ingesting this excess boost was fed into the tank. When the car got back on throttle a special valve would open and release all of the stored boost back into the engine for increased power.
So here we have an engine and here we have a turbocharger. Combustion happens inside the cylinder and creates hot exhaust gasses. These hot gasses then exit through the exhaust manifold and drive the turbine wheel. The turbine wheel inside the exhaust side of the turbocharger is connected to the compressor wheel via a common shaft. The compressor wheel inside the intake side of the turbo sucks in air, compresses it and then sends it through the intercooler into the engine.
So logic tells us that the faster the turbo spins the more air it can suck in. The more air it sucks in the more air it can compress generating higher boost pressure and more power. The higher the boost pressure or the pressure of the intake air the more we are stuffing into the same volume. The more air we stuff the more fuel we can add and the more powerful the combustion becomes. The more powerful the combustion the more power the engine makes and the faster the car can go.
Now when you open the throttle fully you're letting in more air into the engine so the ECU adds more fuel to compensate and we create more powerful combustions inside the engine. This also create more exhaust gasses and more heat which is then used to drive the turbocharger faster. So the turbo starts spinning faster and faster sucking in and compressing more and more air. As it does so it starts increasing the air pressure inside the intake manifold until we reach the peak pressure our turbocharger can generate. Let's imagine that in our case that's 2 bar, which is approximately 30psi. So the turbo is stuffing air at the peak pressure it can generate which leads to the engine generating it's peak power as well. Now let's imagine we're approaching a sharp corner and we suddenly release throttle.
At this moment we have pressurized air that has nowhere to go because entry into the engine has suddenly been blocked by the throttle plate. This is excess boost. Pressurized air inside the intake manifold that can not go into the engine.
So here's Ford's valve, here's the tank and here's the engine. When the driver releases the throttle and anti lag kick in the valve opens. Increased boost pressure fills up the intake manifold and any excess beyond that goes into the tank. When you get back on throttle and if pressure inside the intake manifold is higher than inside the tank the throttle remains closed to prevent boost pressure being wasted on filling the tank and reducing power output. Driver let's go off the throttle again, anti lag kicks in excess boost pressure goes into the tank until eventually the pressure in the intake manifold becomes the same as in the tank. The valve now closes because tank pressure can not be increased further.
The next time you get back on full throttle the pressure inside the tank is higher than inside the intake manifold. The valve now opens and extra air pressure rushes into the intake manifold generating higher pressure in the intake manifold than would normally be possible thus increasing the power output.
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#d4a #ford
00:00 Ford in the WRC
02:28 Hidden boost tank
05:46 Boost pressure basics
09:19 What is excess boost?
13:29 Anti lag fills the tank

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    @d4a@d4a2 жыл бұрын
    • Have you heard about Subaru Anti-Lag "Rocket"?

      @simonasdrungilas1219@simonasdrungilas12192 жыл бұрын
    • Can you make a video on the EXUP (exhaust ultimate power valve) and similar systems? I think alot of your followers would find it interesting and it really ties into some core concepts you have already covered. Plus it will bring more of the motorcycle community over to D4A! 🙌 Expanding horizons 🙌

      @michaelhevezi7273@michaelhevezi72732 жыл бұрын
    • @@simonasdrungilas1219 kzhead.info/sun/oNdshZuSq6Gfo3A/bejne.html this guy has made a video also on this Ford system

      @fabiofatsio@fabiofatsio2 жыл бұрын
    • Does not high pressure air trapped in the inlet manifold stall the turbo?

      @SvenTviking@SvenTviking2 жыл бұрын
    • Wouldn't the tank also serve as a "reservoir" of boost/air? It seems it would buffer against lower-RPM boost drop and provide more of a steady boost pressure beyond a typical turbo efficiency/pressure/flow envelope and thus a bigger advantage than just a bit more peak pressure to me. Maybe with anti-lag it isn't a big effect.

      @rdubb2462@rdubb24622 жыл бұрын
  • This doesn’t even sound like a borderline cheat. It seems like a reasonable, almost obvious, innovation.

    @NoahSpurrier@NoahSpurrier2 жыл бұрын
    • If nobody else does it because they all think it is against the rule, it is a cheat, if it becomes popular then it is innovation. Funny how that works.

      @vipervidsgamingplus5723@vipervidsgamingplus57232 жыл бұрын
    • @@metricstormtrooper That's a stretch. VW programmed the cars to run differently when they detected they were in a test environment. Definitely was a cheat.

      @orangejjay@orangejjay2 жыл бұрын
    • @@orangejjay Why single vw when most manufacturers got caught. They just caught first. Doesn’t mean they are different

      @fastinradfordable@fastinradfordable2 жыл бұрын
    • @@fastinradfordable who else got caught..... just wondering.

      @DrewLSsix@DrewLSsix2 жыл бұрын
    • @@DrewLSsix Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Porsche, Audi, Fiat Chrysler (and Jeep), Nissan, Renault, Opel (General Motors), and Mitsubishi. More recently, Honda, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota, Volvo, Hyundai, Ford, and Jaguar have been caught as well Edit: the reason everyone jumps at VW about the emissions scandal is because VW had it on more of their vehicles, because they sold more vehicles under the VAG umbrella with the cheating devices/software. Basically, they had a larger market share and so they were punished more severely. Also, they were caught first IIRC

      @psnmadracer27@psnmadracer272 жыл бұрын
  • This channel is the Most efficient way to learn automotive engineering concepts

    @n8mail76@n8mail762 жыл бұрын
    • Ehh engineering explained exists btw.

      @hisheeelijah1482@hisheeelijah14822 жыл бұрын
    • @@hisheeelijah1482 Nah listen to Nathan. Engineering explained is a sell out

      @fastinradfordable@fastinradfordable2 жыл бұрын
    • I was watching engineering explained for a while before I found this amazing guy, learned a lot more

      @sidewalkguy1178@sidewalkguy11782 жыл бұрын
    • Kyle engineers is great for aerodynamics. Used to be a Mercedes f1 engineer.

      @CreamAle@CreamAle2 жыл бұрын
    • No it definitely isn't.

      @mikeznel6048@mikeznel60482 жыл бұрын
  • As a certified welder I can appreciate those beautiful welds. That's an art worthy tank

    @lewiskemp5893@lewiskemp58932 жыл бұрын
    • yes nice tig welds... more impressive if they had welded/made it out of magnesium. that is the really tricky stuff to weld.

      @davidgalea6113@davidgalea61132 жыл бұрын
    • @@davidgalea6113 You dont know what you are talking about. I weld all kind of aluminum, stainless, titanium, and magnesium parts all the time. Welding magnisium isnt much different from welding aluminum. Titanium is much more specialized and requires much more skill to weld properly.

      @morganmcintire2853@morganmcintire2853 Жыл бұрын
    • @@morganmcintire2853 what welding method are you using with magnesium?

      @davidgalea6113@davidgalea6113 Жыл бұрын
    • @@davidgalea6113 I always TIG weld magnesium. The metal always has to be cleaned very well first (assuming it is a repair job) because magnisium is typically used in gear boxes and engine blocks for aviation. Oil gets impregnated into the porous metal and needs to be removed prior to welding. Magnesium is pretty forgiving while welding even in comparison to aluminum. You can dip your electrode without ruining it or having to regrind. I use a zirconium alloyed tungsten and grind it to a blunt point. (When welding you want to nearly burry this tip into the metal) I preheat the parts needing to be welded to around 350°F (to avoid cracking later) magnesium that has higher percentage of zinc content is more prone to cracking. I keep a tank of 50-50 argon-helium mix set aside specifically for magnesium. It can be welded with pure argon but the mix is better. Welding magnesium is sort of sooty because of the zinc content and I clean the weld between each pass. But aside from the difference in shielding gas, the filler and prep work the process is similar to aluminum. After welding the part I re-heat the part in my oven, then wrap it in welding blankets to let it cool slowly.

      @morganmcintire2853@morganmcintire2853 Жыл бұрын
    • @@morganmcintire2853 are those autogenous welds you perform on magnesium? Or is it really so prone to cracking that even with filler rods one needs to do heat treatment after the weld.

      @AlessioSangalli@AlessioSangalli Жыл бұрын
  • Honestly, this is brilliant. Finding a way to precharge and avoid lag, using excess pressurized air that is harnessed within the legally restricted airflow. If re-injection is timed right, no more lag.... Bravo to Ford Engineers.

    @MassiveTrackHunter@MassiveTrackHunter Жыл бұрын
    • @Danbeater Good point. I guess the question is at what point the tank opened, upon positive throttle, or only at full boost. if the tank opened only after full boost, it would add psi on top of full boost. If it opened before peak boost, it would also decrease lag, if there is any lag to decrease. Thanks for clarifying that. I did not catch it.

      @MassiveTrackHunter@MassiveTrackHunter Жыл бұрын
    • I was thinking about maintaining boost and thought about a the way a water pressure tank works, did a little search to see if anyone had done it and found this. I wonder if they could pressurize the frame rails to save weight on a tank

      @schneider1492@schneider14925 ай бұрын
  • At that time everyone in the WRC was using paddle shifters behind the steering wheel, with a redundant lever somewhere else in case the paddle system failed. On that 2003 Focus, Ford tried to save weight by having the handbrake double as the backup shift lever. The problem was that when you had to do that, you lost the use of the handbrake, so the driver had to slow to a crawl or even do a three point turn in tight corners. This happed on at least one or two rallies that year and cost them a ton of time.

    @3Dsjk@3Dsjk2 жыл бұрын
    • They couldn't see the forest for the trees, or reverse throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

      @h8GW@h8GW2 жыл бұрын
    • Sounds like a lie 😂

      @INORBET@INORBET2 жыл бұрын
    • Also, I seem to remember that Marko Martin was a tarmac specialist. That's not to say he wasn't a great all rounder. He just wasn't on a par with Burns etc over the whole season.

      @michaellavery4899@michaellavery4899 Жыл бұрын
    • another reason why one should never, under any circumstances ever, convince themselves to buy a ford. you're better off walking.

      @IlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlI@IlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlI Жыл бұрын
    • @@INORBET its not

      @r3uvsgaming@r3uvsgaming Жыл бұрын
  • Motorsport is full of 'innovations' like this, would be great if you could cover some more examples :)

    @maxmoughal5183@maxmoughal51832 жыл бұрын
    • The GTFour's restrictor plate for one!

      @BazilRat@BazilRat2 жыл бұрын
    • @@BazilRat Of course, another one for me is the BTCC Accord Type R with the reversed head configuration among other things.

      @maxmoughal5183@maxmoughal51832 жыл бұрын
    • @@BazilRat nascar was doing that decades before

      @THESLlCK@THESLlCK2 жыл бұрын
    • @@THESLlCK Who in NASCAR was cheating by having air bypass the restrictor because that's what Toyota was doing in WRC.

      @skaldlouiscyphre2453@skaldlouiscyphre24532 жыл бұрын
    • @@skaldlouiscyphre2453 do I have to name them all? Where do you think WRC got the restrictor plate rule from??

      @THESLlCK@THESLlCK2 жыл бұрын
  • I absolutely love it when someone is bold enough to try out some new gadget. This is how we advance tech, even though failure is a high probability.

    @ThatGuy-ou4ev@ThatGuy-ou4ev2 жыл бұрын
  • Minor note, at 15:30 the combustion isn't detonation unless the combustion speed is supersonic (for the fuel/air mixture, likely different to supersonic speed in normal atmosphere), for engines it's usually deflagration (flame front travels at/below the speed of sound in the fuel/air mix). This is pretty much pure pedantry, but I appreciate the detail you go into, so though I'd offer a bit more. Love this series, looking forward to the next instalment!

    @k1ll3rvc@k1ll3rvc2 жыл бұрын
    • I got stuck there too, I've heard it's not detonation/explosion but combustion Bec. It's a controlled process.

      @Eduardo_Espinoza@Eduardo_Espinoza2 жыл бұрын
    • Detonation would only happen if surfaces were extremely hot and high pressures were present which an exhaust pipe clearly has, large super hot surface area, combustion happening rapidly increasing the pressure which can snowball into supersonic speeds especially in the small space in the pipe.

      @amitrkolte@amitrkolte2 жыл бұрын
    • @@amitrkolte agree that the rapid pressure rise can cause detonation, but I don't think anti-lag causes this. normal combustion happens near TDC, which is in the 10's of cc's, late ignition and open exhaust port is a much larger volume. High temperatures, definitely, pressure not so much. Also the turbo needs high airflow, so you want combustion like a jet engine to minimise lag, detonation would just send a shockwave into the turbine until/unless the gas expands back down to reasonable pressure. Most of the damage to the turbo from anti-lag comes from the sustained high heat loading as the mix is still burning in the turbine rather than in the combustion chamber, where it has time to cool down as it expands during the power stroke.

      @k1ll3rvc@k1ll3rvc2 жыл бұрын
    • Did you listen to the clip? That sounds like detonation, and not a controlled combustion. He's right to have called it detonation.

      @Silver_o@Silver_o2 жыл бұрын
    • @@Silver_o think it was both now since he showed both processes but I did get stuck over thinking what he said at 1st after he said the timing was delayed but not eliminated.

      @Eduardo_Espinoza@Eduardo_Espinoza2 жыл бұрын
  • D4A: "So this cheat happened a pretty long time ago..." Me: "The 1980s?" D4A: "2003." Me: 😭😭😭

    @deusexaethera@deusexaethera2 жыл бұрын
  • The tanks were made by a company called keltech in Waterford Ireland. I've several friends who were working There at the time the tanks were being made.

    @drawohnivek@drawohnivek2 жыл бұрын
    • What a nice play on words too

      @waynemangan9925@waynemangan99252 жыл бұрын
    • The Breen family has been at it awhile

      @rskalisky@rskalisky Жыл бұрын
    • keltech as in the arms company?

      @patrickcooke577@patrickcooke577 Жыл бұрын
    • @@patrickcooke577 That´s KelTec, missing an H.

      @xyxxanx9810@xyxxanx981011 ай бұрын
  • Love the enthusiasm taking off that hat! That tank is Absolutely art!

    @25aspooner@25aspooner2 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic as always, your explanations and diagrams make things so easy to understand. Thank you!

    @BlahBleeBlahBlah@BlahBleeBlahBlah2 жыл бұрын
  • Reminds me of the surge air tank system I used at an old dealership for my compressed air supply for my tools before buying electric battery versions. The pipe design was so bad that the main compressed air tank couldn't supply my tools with enough CFM and I incorporated a tank that would just fill from the main supply and the tank supplies the necessary CFM in bursts. The bay I worked in was the furthest from the main tank and a section which used 1/8" diameter hose (whatever idiot decided to use that when it was designed) I'm sure was choking the air supply.

    @amitrkolte@amitrkolte2 жыл бұрын
    • Capacitor tank. We used them in large workshops. Also help for water removal if you angle the inlet to make a vortex around the tank wall halfway up. Out let on top centre. Drain at bottom. We used old LPG tanks. We also replaced airlines with blue stipe/mid density pipe, 50mm/2inch. This alone holds alot of air and is cheap.

      @FlattardiansSuck@FlattardiansSuck2 жыл бұрын
    • Automatic transmissions call it an accumulator. In plumbing it's a surge tank. It's exactly the same concept. And it would only matter for a second or two as the turbo builds back up pressure after going from no throttle to wide open

      @misery13666@misery136662 жыл бұрын
    • @@misery13666 in hydraulics it's also an accumulator. Also ties in with hybrid powertrains, as a historical word for battery is "accumulator", so for those mild hybrids that use the electric motor to help the engine at low speeds it's doing the same thing as well.

      @williamstrachan@williamstrachan2 жыл бұрын
    • @Danbeater ...no....it doesn't. You need to look into it more. It cannot further compress air at speed. the only thing that could do that would be a bigger turbo, or removing the restrictor. . it keeps your boost up between shifts. this accumulates already created boost pressure to keep it at a more constant level. What you're talking about shows you dont understand the system. you cannot increase boost pressures over what has been created past the turbo at open throttle. this keeps you at higher power levels when going back on throttle during shifting.

      @misery13666@misery13666 Жыл бұрын
  • Your clear description of what could otherwise have been a complex design is tremendous. Love your presentation style.

    @alwoolhouse6255@alwoolhouse6255 Жыл бұрын
  • This video clear my all question about turbocharger, turbolag and anti-turbolag. Thank you bro love you 😍😍

    @kirankoli852@kirankoli8522 жыл бұрын
    • Now all we need is a video comparing all the different anti-lag systems-including the exotic systems used in some hillclimb cars that more like always-on full throttle jet engines that also occasionally boost the engine.

      @apricity69@apricity692 жыл бұрын
  • In motorsports there is a huge difference between innovations working around the rules and outright cheating by doing things against as the rules. Hats off to Ford for trying something innovative

    @gregoryhughes@gregoryhughes3 ай бұрын
  • I'm a visual learner, and I would just like to say that this video is wonderfully done. It's so easy to understand what's happening, it's worded well, and you can see everything that's going on. That and it's basic and straight to the point. Can't wait to see the rest of your videos

    @luvsiix_@luvsiix_2 жыл бұрын
  • Hats off to the welder everyone! Hats!! Off!!!!

    @MrRyruss@MrRyruss2 жыл бұрын
  • Damn, Markko Martin is a name I haven't thought about in a while! WRC was SO good back then. So many great drivers!

    @rars0n@rars0n2 жыл бұрын
  • Imagine how much boost it would get if someone bumps this bumper

    @boobrowsky@boobrowsky2 жыл бұрын
  • 1) You can actually increase the maximum boost pressure and power with such a system. You just have to inject the tank-air behind the restrictor, right before the compressor wheel. This means the turbo can breathe in pressurised air, and compress it further. Such a setup can also help it spool up quicker. 2) With anti-lag, the mixture isn't ignited when the exhaust valve is open, but when the piston is moving downwards. Combusion-speed is higher at higher engine pressures. And around TDC you have both a high pressure and a small volume, hence the A/F-mixture can burn up quickly; after TDC you have both an increasing volume and a lower pressure; hence it will burn slowly and keep burning during the exhaust stroke.

    @sasjadevries@sasjadevries2 жыл бұрын
    • 1) The rules specifically stated that ALL air must pass through the restrictor first, to avoid bypass cheats like Toyota's. 2) Great explanation!

      @tojiroh@tojiroh2 жыл бұрын
    • @@tojiroh But all the air inside the tank has already passed the restrictor. So the air goes: filter-> restrictor-> turbo-> tank+(storage)-> turbo-> engine-intake. I.e. why inject the tank-air behind the turbo, when you can inject it before the turbo? The same restrictor rules apply either way.

      @sasjadevries@sasjadevries2 жыл бұрын
    • @@sasjadevries ah, yes, I misread you the first time. Isn't it what the system already did, though?

      @tojiroh@tojiroh2 жыл бұрын
    • @@tojiroh They injected the tank air behind the turbo. And I'm like: just inject before the turbo and keep everything else the same.

      @sasjadevries@sasjadevries2 жыл бұрын
    • I don't think #1 would work, as it would take some time for the compressor wheel to accelerate in reaction to the increased pressure. plus some air will probably go backwards through the restrictor and out (fighting the momentum of intake air with it's higher pressure). I would not be surprised to see compressor surge then or some weird boost oscillations. and I'm sure the engineers would have used the trick don't you think?

      @francoisloriot2674@francoisloriot2674 Жыл бұрын
  • One of the best explanations I've seen of the topic.

    @970357ers@970357ers2 жыл бұрын
  • Ive never seen such a great explanation of anti lag EVER! I understood it before, but your explanation made it so simple I reached a new understanding. Thank you for your work!

    @Alniemi@Alniemi Жыл бұрын
  • Very good explaned. In offshore welders weld titanium all the time they use tig with cooling shoe that blow gass to cool it down.

    @terjejohnsen3651@terjejohnsen36512 жыл бұрын
    • The gas is not to cool it down, the gas creates an inert atmosphere that has no oxygen in it to prevent impurities entering the weld.

      @stevennoyb4595@stevennoyb45952 жыл бұрын
    • @@stevennoyb4595 the shoe is for cooling it down so the titanium not get blue. The shoe is after the tig Rod and have nothing to do with the welding itself. If the titanium get blue its broken and get discarded.

      @terjejohnsen3651@terjejohnsen36512 жыл бұрын
  • 7:08 Not really though. The size of a turbocharger limits the amount of air it can compress to a certain volume at any given time. The actual max boost is limited by many different factors.

    @centralintelligenceagency9003@centralintelligenceagency90032 жыл бұрын
    • I was gonna say the same thing , making 150 more horsepower on less boost pressure with a bigger turbo.

      @AnDrEw122100@AnDrEw1221002 жыл бұрын
    • Right? Engine masters goes into pretty good detail on how boost levels are not a good measurement in the first place either. Boost is a measurement of restriction after the turbo. If you were to have a better valve flow on an engine you would have lower boost but higher power with the same turbo. Not really an argument I guess but kind of a interesting aside.

      @sarolikia@sarolikia2 жыл бұрын
    • It's way more complicated. We could say that instead of pressure, air mass would be better indicator of power. But that's not true either because you have pumping losses in engine. In the end, power figures are resultant of many things, beginning at engine internals and ending at air filter/exhaust muffler. I must agree on that bigger turbo will give you bigger power numbers at the same boost levels.

      @feluke8396@feluke83962 жыл бұрын
    • My friend who is into tuning once explained me it like this: Would you rather put out a fire with a garden hose at 1 bar or a firehose at 1 bar?? So small turbos can generate high pressure but not volume compared to bigger ones..

      @dudethatlookslikeanotherdu617@dudethatlookslikeanotherdu617 Жыл бұрын
  • This sort of reminds me of the the ARC intake chambers they used to make. I think the idea was to have a pressurized chamber of air ready for the engine to intake.

    @Dreamweaver94@Dreamweaver94 Жыл бұрын
  • What the video fails to mention is the normal maximum boost obtainable over the rev range is a curve due to the restrictor as the restrictor is a fixed volume flow per unit time device. Meaning you couldn´t get 2bar of boost at 4000rpm as well as 7500rpm. The pressure will have been higher since a compressor may be able to produce 2bar of boost against a engine inhaling so and so much, the compressor map definitely can reach much much higher pressure ratios, how high is just a matter of antilag calibration strategy. Now what this device´s main purpose I believe was is to give the engine a chance at getting that sweet sweet 2bar boost(or whatever the values really where) for a few moments at rpms which you´d normally not have it. So if you had 340hp normally at 1.4bar at 6500rpm you´d gain quite a bit of power for a moment or some moments by having 2bar boost at 6500rpm until the engine ate it up and the pressure balanced. The time available of this extra boosting could be easily calculated. The boost excess via the flow valves could also propably be controller so that it would "leak" higher boost into the engine above the rpm thresholds of the restrictor normally.

    @GunniGST@GunniGST2 жыл бұрын
  • Your way to explain and visualize technical issues is nothing short of ingenious. You do have a gift there, not many have. Do you know that? Thank you and please keep launching videos.

    @MikeP59DE@MikeP59DE Жыл бұрын
  • 12:25 well I've heard that in a B group, which had no blow off valves, the boost after you release a gas pedal, jumped up as high as 8bar and thus destroyed turbo rotor fins... The problem is with the inertia of the rotor. It can not stop instantly from lets say 100 000 rpm, so the pressure jumps higher than 30psi in your example. I've had a turbo honda civic with a homemade blow off valve, that has released only the over boost, and I could adjust it mechanically, so even though I ran on low boost like 0,7bar, once I tightened the blow off valve, the pressure gauge jumped up higher than 0,7bar, I did not try to close it completely, but the highest I have seen was 1,5bar. I bet there are videos with serious old rally cars with pressure gauges jumping much higher than a nominal boost, but maybe there were not many idiots like me, who had their boost gauges connected before the intake manifold. But if they had a one way valve in a 30mm pipe, to the tank direction and an ecu controlled valve from the tank, they could definitely have higher than 2bar.

    @unobombers@unobombers Жыл бұрын
  • Excellent explanation, I love how you go deep into the details!

    @liver.flush.maestro@liver.flush.maestro2 жыл бұрын
  • This was the best or only video explanation i have seen for the different sounds and reasons for it. I have actively tried looking for the reasons for the different sounds from the exhaust and this was the best. Thanks man.

    @superrichboy@superrichboy2 жыл бұрын
  • Great video as always. I would love to see you cover quick spool valves (QSV).

    @blindcheto195@blindcheto1952 жыл бұрын
  • The animations in this video are really nice! This easily matches the quality of content you'd see as school curriculum!

    @dongordon2754@dongordon27542 жыл бұрын
  • Great video explanation! I asked a question about this recently (somewhere) and it generated interesting discussion. I was specifically interested in a situation where an engine was over-turboed (capable of more boost than it could use) and whether it could store that excess boost in a tank for use in eliminating lag. The answer is: already been done!

    @bongosock@bongosock2 жыл бұрын
    • Yep: Yamaha used something like this for 2-Strokes in the late 1970's into the 1980's called "YICS" Yamaha Induction Control System... it was basically an accumulator tank (without a valve) between the Carb and the Reed Valve to help smooth intake vacuum at lower RPMs.

      @matthewhelton1725@matthewhelton1725 Жыл бұрын
  • I knew you put the hat on just to take it off😂 That's gold.

    @hrtbrk1@hrtbrk111 ай бұрын
  • Brilliant video and excellent level of detail too. Pls keep up the great work.

    @nadeemchaudhry6585@nadeemchaudhry65852 жыл бұрын
  • You say thanks for watching but I wanna thank you for doing these great videos 👍🏻

    @aland.9060@aland.90602 жыл бұрын
  • Explain it so well I cannot argue with you

    @JasonfromMinnesota@JasonfromMinnesota2 жыл бұрын
  • All of your videos are great, however this one is amongst my top 5 favourite. Keep up the good work!

    @philippepanayotov9632@philippepanayotov96322 жыл бұрын
  • I just have to say, as someone who can't even drive, your channel makes me really appreciate the mechanical ingenuity of cars. Thanks for all the hard work!

    @jozefdoyle4621@jozefdoyle46219 ай бұрын
  • Love that cabinet full of turbos had me laughing so hard but its very true 👏👏👍

    @jakemartin4305@jakemartin43052 жыл бұрын
    • Mac's pretty clumsy isn't he

      @dielaughing73@dielaughing732 жыл бұрын
  • I read Hans Stuck would keep his foot on the gas while down shifting in the Audi Quattro rally car to reduce turbo lag. Great videos 👍

    @elpuerco6059@elpuerco60592 жыл бұрын
    • well thats a skill, not relying much with technology

      @endurofan9854@endurofan98542 жыл бұрын
    • He probably also did it to "rev-match", since most rally cars use dog-boxes (like bikes). While upshifting you want to drop revs before getting into the new gear, when downshifting you want to increase revs.

      @FedericoLucchi@FedericoLucchi2 жыл бұрын
  • The punch example keep me laughing for a while 🤣

    @LuisMiguelSosaSanchez@LuisMiguelSosaSanchez2 жыл бұрын
  • Pressure does not equal volume. This is why a larger turbo charger can make greater power numbers at an equal or lower pressure than a smaller turbo as long as the engine is producing enough exhaust gasses to drive the turbine. As a bonus the charge will generally be cooler as air heats as it is compressed to higher pressures. It's a lovely balance between lag/spool time and how much air volume you're looking to push from the compressor side. Pressure is what allows this system to work the way it does but the additional air volume provided by the tank is actually why the system works. The pressure differential allows the tank to charge and release simply by opening and closing a valve (not unlike an air compressor and its storage tank), but the additional volume of air released is what gets mixed with fuel and burns. This was really quite clever in its simplicity. Some only considered it cheating because they didn't think of it first and thus weren't using it on their own team's vehicles.

    @mikem.9197@mikem.91972 жыл бұрын
  • Just a thought: the turbo has inertia, so if you suddenly block the flow, the pressure will rise momentary, otherwise blowoff valves wouldn't work. So they theorically could store higher boost.

    @dabyd64@dabyd64 Жыл бұрын
    • true. also, the baloon analogy does not apply, as the baloon changes volume considerably, thus it won t reach the source pressure

      @KonstantinKavruk@KonstantinKavruk Жыл бұрын
    • some of them had a crude wastegate valve before the turbo that was opened by a diapraghm via a pipe by the inlet manifold pressure

      @eweunkettles8207@eweunkettles82074 ай бұрын
  • Nice video as always. Glad you are talking about motorsport as well. Hope the future of it is not as dark as it seems with the eco fuels in F1 and other improvements. Can't wait for future videos

    @pepitomov@pepitomov2 жыл бұрын
    • I fail to see how eco fuels are bad for F1. Changing the chemistry of the go juice doesn't change the benefits of the go juice (loud noise and zoomy car). In fact, having more eco-friendly fuels might mean they can bring back the V8s or even the V10s.

      @alaeriia01@alaeriia0111 ай бұрын
  • Reminds me of an experiment I read about in a drag racing forum many years ago. There once was a drag racer who wanted more power from his engine, but, having settled on the idea of adding some sort of forced induction, instead of installing NOS, a turbocharger, or a supercharger, he invented a fourth option. He ended up towing a small, custom built trailer behind his car as he went down the track, and in that trailer was a 200 gallon tank of pressurized air that was hooked up to his intake manifold via a very long length of very wide high pressure tubing. All he'd have to do to get ready before a run was simply hook the tank up to an air compressor and fill it with as much air as he could/dared to. IIRC he said it worked alright, but I think the threat of that air tank getting launched at the back of his head should he ever crash was enough to convince him to make boost with a more conventional setup.

    @craig3.0@craig3.02 жыл бұрын
    • There was a company that developed a system that used compressed air tanks on the car as a way of boosting the engine. It became complicated as you have to meter the air properly since you could basically force it to make max power at any rpm.

      @NBSV1@NBSV12 жыл бұрын
    • Why not put a couple LPG bottles with air inside the car? Can't fly at you if it's mounted well

      @bene5431@bene5431 Жыл бұрын
  • Another top quality presentation - excellent, clear explanation. Great!

    @RobSchofield@RobSchofield2 жыл бұрын
  • Amazing explanations as always! Good job!

    @Gio.bertolini@Gio.bertolini2 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. Screw the cheat. It's an amazing idea that should be on all turbocharged cars right under the hood somewhere. I want one.

    @ericg2167@ericg21672 жыл бұрын
    • The "cost-benefit" would only be practical if the car is driven in rally conditions, foot all the way on, or off the gas at all times.

      @johndavidwolf4239@johndavidwolf42392 жыл бұрын
    • @@johndavidwolf4239 There's a few people on the streets I can think of who share that same driving style though 😆

      @lorddoosworth8175@lorddoosworth81752 жыл бұрын
    • ​@@lorddoosworth8175 : There are always a few who believe in "Live fast, die young", emphasis on "few".

      @johndavidwolf4239@johndavidwolf42392 жыл бұрын
  • My favourite innovation in rally tech is Subaru's anti-lag "rocket" system, which had a similar relocated pressure chamber, but only to encourage starting and maintaining the system. With it making full boost at idle throttle, and with almost nothing feeling "cheaty" about it, it felt truly innovational.

    @kransurfing@kransurfing Жыл бұрын
  • I would split the tank in half and connect the two parts with a pump which would take air from the low pressure tank and pump it into the high pressure tank, then you'd be able to get more boost than your turbo is able to make. I swear, I should be an engineer! instead I'm doing something I don't enjoy. Great video!

    @barabolak@barabolak2 жыл бұрын
  • Didn't Subaru have something like this too? think it was called the rocket anti lag system

    @TotoGeenen@TotoGeenen2 жыл бұрын
    • Yes similar but different, that's next to be covered in the future!

      @d4a@d4a2 жыл бұрын
    • @@d4a nice. Looking forward to it :) Maybe you could add a section referencing this video as to what the differences are

      @TotoGeenen@TotoGeenen2 жыл бұрын
  • This reminds me vaguely of the anti-lag system in the Koenigsegg Jesko, where there's a pair of extremely high pressure air tanks that act as anti-lag by keeping the turbos spun up while off-throttle. Clearly not the same system, but hey, it's where my mind wandered.

    @MrBlueBurd0451@MrBlueBurd04512 жыл бұрын
    • I was wondering why no-one seemed to have picked up on this idea. It seems sound in principle, although I don't know how big the tanks needs to be to be useful... certainly much larger than the air volume of the intake and intercooler... maybe that's the catch ??

      @richardbower8707@richardbower87072 жыл бұрын
    • Why wasn't i told about that? Every jesko reveal video i watched didn't mention it

      @falcongamer5867@falcongamer58672 жыл бұрын
    • @@richardbower8707 i think as long as it has enough of a little kick start would exponentially help the spooling

      @falcongamer5867@falcongamer58672 жыл бұрын
  • I might argue that the spirit & sport in rallying is BEST represented and in its highest form when contributions, such as this, to automotive & mechanical innovation are conceptualized and developed for the selfish advantage of one over the rest! ...ESPECIALLY... when its done in secret but within the bounds set by regulators & rulebooks! Also... Its a beautiful video you've made here! Bravo!

    @NoCantsAllowed@NoCantsAllowed2 жыл бұрын
  • 1:00. LOL. Thumbs up for the video with Greek subtitles that you found. Never expected that.

    @TheMoukis@TheMoukis2 жыл бұрын
  • anyone else grab their calipers to truly appreciate how hard it is to weld 2mm thick anything lol

    @tbag6600@tbag66002 жыл бұрын
    • I tried it on aluminum ONE time, just blew holes for 30min 😂

      @MinecraftManSteav@MinecraftManSteav Жыл бұрын
    • Titanium - maybe, haven't tried it. But anything? Not really, welding 2mm steel is extremely easy, and i am not a good welder.

      @_Dimon_@_Dimon_ Жыл бұрын
    • @@_Dimon_ lol yes 2mm thick steel isnt an issue. i guess i just dont weld much steel anymore so i dont really think about that when considering welding.

      @tbag6600@tbag6600 Жыл бұрын
  • It might not have been very successful but I think the Focus WRC car was gorgeous in the Martini livery with Colin behind the wheel. And it's funny how times change. Now it's EU pedestrian collision regulations that ruin the front bumper design of new cars. That's why everything has "fangs" now and looks meh lol.

    @michaelallen2501@michaelallen25012 жыл бұрын
  • 1st time _indulging_ with you & that was fantastically done...animations, explanation & presentation! Someone with almost zero knowledge of turbocharger/motor operations should be able to _pass a test_ on the subject after this. Anyway Ive Liked & Ive subbed look forward to see you at a mill subscribers my friend.✌🏾

    @averyparticularsetofskills@averyparticularsetofskills2 жыл бұрын
  • absolutely love your channel, so well explained! Go on like that!👍🏻

    @sevenmax7777@sevenmax77772 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting. Hats off to you ,sir.😉👍😀🇨🇦 large capacitor.

    @TomTom-pv2ig@TomTom-pv2ig2 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent vid as always :) I was familiar with the general concept of this system (and I think even Volvo uses something like this on their "twin-engine" cars?), but learned a lot more!

    @eTiMaGo@eTiMaGo2 жыл бұрын
  • I love these videos man!! thank you for making them, I've been learing so much!

    @ioverdoneit@ioverdoneit2 жыл бұрын
  • This is one of my new fave vids here - it just has it all! Keep up the great work!

    @Bernhard-ql6lp@Bernhard-ql6lp2 жыл бұрын
  • 16:50 this diagram would really benefit from including the throttle.

    @roflchopter11@roflchopter112 жыл бұрын
  • Nice! Thanks for breaking this down for us. It sounds like a really clever idea, but not really worth much in terms of gains.

    @crxtodd16@crxtodd162 жыл бұрын
    • Five percent is huge in racing.

      @danielgodshall7502@danielgodshall75022 жыл бұрын
    • @@danielgodshall7502 Evidently 5% was not enough to make a significant difference for Ford's team that year.

      @crxtodd16@crxtodd162 жыл бұрын
    • @@crxtodd16 It was disallowed after three events.

      @danielgodshall7502@danielgodshall75022 жыл бұрын
  • May be, in one of your videos you could cover PowerPulse system that was installed on Volvo Drive E diesel engines. The concept is similar, but the source of pressurized air is an air pump. After several years Volvo decided to discontinue it due to reliability issues, but if it works properly, it really helps to bridge turbo-lag on city speeds

    @6tonn@6tonn11 ай бұрын
  • Brilliant presentation, as usual. Informative and entertaining!

    @olspanner@olspanner2 жыл бұрын
  • I was waiting for this one! :D

    @peekaboo1575@peekaboo15752 жыл бұрын
  • Sounds like Smokey Yanuk’s fuel line. The fuel tank was imited to xx gallons. There was no specified fuel line size limit. He put in a large, and I mean LARGE diameter line something like 10 meters long. He gained several gallons of spare capacity.

    @harriettedaisy2233@harriettedaisy22332 жыл бұрын
    • A good argument for all racers to be given the same amount of fuel for the race being the only requirement besides safety.

      @johndavidwolf4239@johndavidwolf42392 жыл бұрын
  • Kudos to the effort and excellence in the explanations and animations.

    @desert_jin6281@desert_jin62812 жыл бұрын
  • Excellently explained my dude! Great video as always 💪🏻💪🏻

    @MADMATTRS@MADMATTRS2 жыл бұрын
  • That is not a welder who made that tank. That is an "ARTEEST" of his craft.

    @CDeuce152@CDeuce1522 жыл бұрын
  • When you snap the throttle shut, it does create a pressure spike from all the air "stacking up" so, in theory if that tank was already 100% full, you could exceed the standard boost- so go from maybe 30psi to, say, 30.1psi! Massive boost! Great success!

    @typrus6377@typrus63772 жыл бұрын
  • That brilliant idea deserves this awesome explanation. Thank you!

    @jatkinsonchannel@jatkinsonchannel2 жыл бұрын
  • Got a Gran Turismo 7 ad while watching this. How appropriate 😂

    @mansman2167@mansman21672 жыл бұрын
  • Great explanation of how compressing air can only produce finite pressure. I used to sell air tools and compressors. I had to go through that every day with people who thought a DIY 5l compressor could power an impact wrench!

    @KLUTCHdot58@KLUTCHdot582 жыл бұрын
    • I actually overcame that with a 10gal secondary tank. Stored enough air to use an impact for more than a few bolts for the rare occasion I needed it and still had the portability of the 6gal for when I was only stapling or nailing.

      @zodwraith5745@zodwraith5745 Жыл бұрын
  • This popped up in my recommendations, and I'm delighted that it did. Watched a few videos and it's an excellent channel. Educational and entertaining - what's not to like?

    @ianmacfarlane1241@ianmacfarlane12412 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for explaining antilag really well. I understand it so much better now.

    @bennyfactor@bennyfactor2 жыл бұрын
  • First time seeing something about racing in this channel All the time it was really entertaining informations on engines, internals, technologies and DIYs Thanks for making my day brother😇😇

    @ahnafzahid9450@ahnafzahid94502 жыл бұрын
    • I did the Toyota cheat ages ago too kzhead.info/sun/qNmYeJqFmIObgI0/bejne.html

      @d4a@d4a2 жыл бұрын
    • @@d4a Welding titanium is not as big a deal as you think. Many bicycle manufacturers have been producing welded titanium frames for decades now. I own a (welded) titanium framed bicycle that's more than 30 years old.

      @autodidact537@autodidact5372 жыл бұрын
  • the hat tip killed it..hilarious!!!!i love it

    @marlibread@marlibread2 жыл бұрын
  • Subaru had been doing this for years just at a smaller scale. The Subaru "Rocket ALS" had a pressure tank the size of a 2l soda bottle on the front of the engine that would put out pressure to keep the turbos spooled up off throttle. The titanium rear bumper tank was perhaps lighter and better for weight distribution than having a compressing system for the pressure tank in the Subaru version.

    @johnnycab8986@johnnycab89862 жыл бұрын
    • The rocket came after this

      @d4a@d4a2 жыл бұрын
  • The stomach punch analogy was hilarious needed a good laugh

    @redrum3835@redrum38352 жыл бұрын
  • Niceeee !!! I only want to say ... I really love to see Marko Martín .. in this years . For me was the second colín . The best show drivers of rally

    @totoiza17581@totoiza175812 жыл бұрын
  • 2:29 whoever designed it deserved the PoB award (pat on the back award)

    @eriktruchinskas3747@eriktruchinskas37472 жыл бұрын
  • Best and detailed explanation possible, amazing ❤️

    @idko5452@idko54522 жыл бұрын
  • Very interesting and well explained, as always on this chan. keep up the good work, and thank you!

    @SerbanCMusca-ut8ny@SerbanCMusca-ut8ny2 жыл бұрын
  • I love the video of the car’s presentation with the Greek subtitles ❤

    @nickharalampopoulos@nickharalampopoulos3 ай бұрын
  • I wonder if a system like this could be applied to road cars for a sort of 'not harmful for your engine anti-lag system'. Where the system instead of dumping the pressure into the intake for a power gain it dumps it back into the turbo to spool it back up almost instantly while the exhaust gases take their time to build up the pressure again. And considering that road cars run way less boost than rally cars the tank maybe doesn't need to be so big of made of titanium and can even come with an excess pressure valve so the tank doesn't exceed capacity and explode

    @MiniMii550@MiniMii5502 жыл бұрын
    • that’s called a diverter valve and they come stock in like every factory turbo car ever

      @aawagga6841@aawagga6841 Жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for your lessons, they are both interesting and educational. I have a question. I think with pumps, you can exchange flow per pressure, isn't that possible with turbochargers aswell?

    @Jylliam@Jylliam2 жыл бұрын
    • Pressure is just resistance to flow. Everything else being equal more flow means more pressure. What often happens with turbos is that a bigger turbo can be more efficient so will heat the air less and be less of a restriction on the exhaust side. So, it can produce the same power with less boost. Ideally it’s more about the air density in the manifold. Cold dense air under less pressure is typically better than hot less dense air under more pressure.

      @NBSV1@NBSV12 жыл бұрын
  • Nice explanation as usual, mate. Just an idea, Will you make a video about the "cheat" from any team in any form of race and tell us how it works? Sounds interesting

    @jippyputra@jippyputra2 жыл бұрын
  • Great videos, you should be on 7 digit subs! This kinda reminds me on R1 regulations lol, lots of weight, bad drivetrain only to get occasional boost. But at least WRC cars had a road car chassis, R1 is like F1 for country roads - artificial and disconnected from its roots...

    @markos8400@markos84002 жыл бұрын
  • "professional motorsports, cabinet full of turbos ... Nobody cares 🤷🏻‍♀️" Lmao love that commentary

    @s3dghost@s3dghost Жыл бұрын
  • Interesting concept, surprised it's not more common for turbo engines. Definitely would help at low rpm/lag situations.

    @craigquann@craigquann2 жыл бұрын
    • If it really weighs 20kg that's horrible, actually. Many easier ways to get anti-lag I think, in most applications, but that are banned in rally (or were at the time)

      @lqr824@lqr82411 ай бұрын
  • Great vid and awesome explanation. Had not heard of this before. Thanks

    @johnbee7729@johnbee7729 Жыл бұрын
  • I love how the animator used converse as a demonstration like “yeah bro let me got me shoes on”

    @q2wegn662@q2wegn662 Жыл бұрын
  • Really nice animations and well presented again! But missed a few major details on how this works. Willing to help!

    @oskarelmgren@oskarelmgren2 жыл бұрын
  • Haha enjoyed watching this… Funny… good you debunk a lot of the misconception of the boost tank reservoir as well …

    @KiG1208@KiG12082 жыл бұрын
  • What does the 5% power increase refer to? On average over the distance of let's say a stage, or just at the time when the tank releases the extra pressure? If it's the latter, that seems like a very negligible advantage to me since the tank will only sometimes get filled enough to actually help, I wonder if it's really worth an extra 20kg.

    @recarsion@recarsion8 ай бұрын
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