Commodore History Part 8-The Amiga 1000

You could absolutely comment "first!" on every Amiga video!

That’s neat

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The person who owns the Amiga 1000A serial number 0000000000: Are you challenging me?

@@arfansthename I doubt it would be a smart move to have 0 filled serial number on anything. Nobody would ever know if it's intended if that happened.

Do you remember the name of the program that let you slow the CPU down and switch to PAL mode? I think it was called "Degrader" because I started out with the Amiga 2500 NTSC and so many games and programs ran too fast, and PAL samples cut off too early. The Llamatron "Oh, F..." sounds so much funnier on a PAL system than NTSC using Degrader.

Exactly! This Lotus music was way too fast for my european ears. :D

Loved my Amiga! A shame the company didn’t do better , I loved a few games I played on mine too!

My dad had one too. Never got a Nintendo but the Amiga was so cool.

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of course he loved the Amiga because being the smart guy he was he knew there was no better computer in it’s time 👍

why wasn't the amiga successful in america? in europe the amiga was very successful. that surprises me a bit

@@mal-avcisi9783 because commodore miserably failed marketing and promoting the Amiga.

WoW!, did not know that! thx.

DECtalk was Amiga?

Sold? Makes me a bit sad to hear that, if my little brother hadn't died of childs death at the age of 3 months back in 1989 i would have gladly gifted him any of my computer stuff i didn't need anymore, maybe even passing the odd upgrade just so that we had comparable machines. I loved my little brother and even after all these years i still dearly miss him. 😢

Your statement that you never heard of Amiga until mid 2000's is unbelievable indeed!

@МrВеаst Ехtrа no

just the soundchip in the amiga was ahead of its time. It was a sampler, and if you wanted to buy a music sampler at the time, it was expensive!. The amiga could do it (albeit a bit more limited) but could also play games.

I heard of it pretty soon, I saw a presentation of it from Commodore at a computer show at a Novotel hotel (not sure where) in 1986 (I know it was 1986 as I remember people playing Ghosts and Goblins on C64 and that was out in 1986). Then I remember walking around the stalls at the show and seeing an A1000 playing Marble Madness. Needless to say I wanted one and the A500 came out the next year and I spent all the savings my family had put away for me on one. Never regretted that for one minute.

A 286 with a parallell dac and vga could preform grapics and sound simular to a A500.... in theory. The issue is that most PC games, really untill about 1989 was made to primary run on ega and vga was a after thought. The issue with this is that ega could not do full or Partial memory loads, every pixel got to be loaded one by one. With vga the memory could just be transfered and loaded over. This made it so most games on the PC was really slow, or they used some trick to just run a partial screenwrite. While amiga and pc generally used the same resolution at this time and even .most amiga games used 16 collors just like ega (some used 32, and a few even 64) amiga games almost always used palets while ega hardly ever did it. The reason is that most ega games was actually tga games. Tga uses also 16 collors, but no palet, while ega uses 16 wirh a palet of 64, granted, way less than 4000 of the A1000/500, still in actuall game play this granularity is not easy ton se. So what really gave amiga fhe advantage was the blank slate benefit

I used part of my college fund to buy an Amiga 2500 in 1989. Never regretted it in spite of the fact I bought a computer with a superfluous 68000 CPU that would never be used due to the included A2620 68020 accelerator card. I added the BridgeBoard so I could take PC classes without buying a PC. I later parted out the A2620 and used the sale to upgrade to the A2630 68030 accelerator card. That poor 68000 still sat unused until I parted out the A2630 (and sold it) and then sold the accelerator-less A2500 as an A2000 to finance my new A3000T tower, so that lonely 68000 finally got some good use some three or four years later. Commodore was in bad shape and sold me the A3000T with a bad motherboard that they had to replace, shipping it direct from Germany. Oh, well.

@Kris R. I would have been around 10 when the 1000 came out, and I think the machine I saw was a 2000. I tried like heck to get my Dad to buy it.. either as a family computer or for me. But he was suspicious of its proprietary Commodore nature and was not sold that the bridgeboard would do what was promised (he got burned on a PCjr with the Quadram expansion heh). Every Christmas I looked for one under the tree but in those days computers were just so crazy expensive it was never going to happen. One year I got excited because there was a box that had the right size and weight.. turned out to be a stereo amp. Which in the end I'm glad I got. But an A2000 was the first Amiga I went for when I started collecting. Did you find the Bridgeboard useful? I have one and have used it a bit but I find things run painfully slow.

@@TechTimeTraveller The Bridgeboard was very slow. I think I had the either the 8086 or the 80286 version, which was good enough for my PC-based classes back in the late 80s, early 90s. I bought it from someone via USENET so I can't be sure which version it was today, over 30 years later. I was ahead of everyone else's time back then and I still am today.

The first Amiga display I seen was The Juggler (seen in this video) and it blew me away.

My first purchase was in a Mall at a Electronics Boutique (Remember those?) where they had a A500 on display just running a slide show of Amiga Art and I almost shit a brick. I couldn't believe that a computer was capable of displaying 32 colors on the screen at the same time. I immediately went in and put in a order for one. They didn't have any in stock at the time so I had to wait a week or two to pick it up.

why wasn't the amiga successful in america? in europe the amiga was very successful. that surprises me a bit

@@mal-avcisi9783 Commodore didn't have as much of a hold in the US microcomputer market than it did in Europe. Here, that market was primarily aimed at businesses and schools, and were dominated primarily by IBM, Apple, and other manufacturers of "PC-compatible" systems, such as Compaq. If someone wanted a computer system for personal use they would more than likely select an IBM PC (or a compatible derivative) or an Apple system, even if something like the Commodore Amiga or the Atari ST were vastly technically superior to anything the former two companies offered at the time. The latter two were seen more as hobby machines, so they didn't catch on state-side.

@@mal-avcisi9783 Commodore avoided taxes in America i think, and is why there weren't allowed to sell anything there most of the time. In Europe Commodore were a threat to IBM around 1990.

@mal-avcisi9783 Poor marketing. They tried playing the Amiga like a high end production box, which at the time it could be when expanded, but the base Amigas were pure game machines. It was mishandled here in the US. They wanted it to beat the Mac, which it did, but it didn't have the same support or user base. I was one of 3 Amiga users in my High School. No one else had one in my area except my neighbor who didn't talk about it. Had a 1000 then a 3000. He let me "see" the 3000.

You should upload those

Apple did it on the 128K Mac too. I wonder if they figured, "if Jobs is going to sign the chassis so are we"

It showed in how good the Amiga was, nothing came anywhere close to it

Well they probably felt like the machine was historically important.

The architecture was a work of art at the time

One of the signatures is comedian Dana Carvey’s brother!

I feel ya man!!

@@Arek-Arek stop it or will report you for unwanted spaming

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The marketing for the Amiga was terrible, especially here in North America. They stupidly tried to compete directly with IBM and PC Compatibles for the business market. If they were smart, they would have either targeted the gaming industry or the arts industry. The reason why the C64 and VIC-20 (and to a lesser extent the 128) sold so well was because they sold them in big chain stores like K-Mart (as well as Zeller's, Canadian Tire, etc. here in Canada)

It's sleepwalking. He's not aware of it, obviously.

@@override7486no duh really? Wouldn’t have guessed.

why wasn't the amiga successful in america? in europe the amiga was very successful. that surprises me a bit

@@mal-avcisi9783 Yea, your right. Probably Apple and IBM pc took the cake. Me myself had IBM PC compatible and I wish to God now I saw it before buying mine.

You're an old dude and your 100% correct👍🍻

​@@mal-avcisi9783Americans are dumb, and don't do research. There were tons of stores peddling dos boxes and parents would buy those to be able to do work at home. The c64 and Atari 8bit computers were mostly getting a hard reputation for just being games machines, so when the ST and Amiga came out, they mostly had the same reputation. If more businesses had adopted them, then who knows what would have happened. But they were very niche in their use outside of games (graphics for the Amiga, Music production/dtp for the ST, and DTP for the Mac. Seems to me, most Graphic artists / Music makers were gobbled up by Apple... Meanwhile, IBM and compatibles were never all that popular in Europe at the time, plenty of places had other computer types, so diversity in platforms was easier to handle. DOS in comparison to the three big 68k based systems were a crap show to use!

Same here. I bought a Commodore 64 and loved it, but would have dearly loved to have an Amiga!

did you watch the video on his Amiga 1000 restoration? he litterarly said he has been waiting for one to do this episode.

Same could be said for the Atari ST/Falcon line that always seemed to be lagging just behind, and trying to play catch up without ever truly doing so.

There is also "We made Amiga, they fucked it up"

Also fastest mac is a amiga

The Amiga was a big leap forward in hardware, but unfortunately it then stood still while competitors progressed around it. The main thing that kept it back was software compatibility -- too many apps made too many assumptions about the hardware, and it was impossible to introduce higher-resolution graphics modes and better sound, for example, without breaking existing apps.

@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 That's where "compatibility modes" come in. It's the classic conundrum of "we want new, better hardware and OSs" vs "I still want to run my old software".

If you wanted to make an IBM PC jealous, you just showed them the demo disk of Videotoaster. That was enough to make any grown person cry!!!! LOL

In 1989 I thought my moms work IBM was a like a futuristic super machine, I would have been completely blown away seeing this Amiga back then.

@@danyf3116 The videotoaster was an incredible addon. The first completely CG music video was produced by Todd Rudgren using 16 Amiga 2000's w/ videotoasters running Lightwave Software rendering each scene in 16 million colors. The video is a mind trip of 3d modeled graphics in psychedelic coloring melding from one scene to the next.

​@@TGiFoosday What song was the music video for?

@@DJ_Mooster It was "Change Myself". Luckily it Is on KZhead too. Here's link: kzhead.info/sun/l5uKdd2ZjIith4E/bejne.html

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Exactly! And the APIs for C were pretty easy to get your head around as well (except for some legacy cruft in dos.library), so the barrier to entry was pretty low. Sure, with things like no memory protection it wouldn't fly today, but at the time it was a revolution. And things that showed up later, like MUI, still compare favorably to current frameworks. Lovely stuff.

@@UnamusedClerk The RKM's were indispensable for accessing the libraries and hardware capabilities back in the day. Definitely a joy to program the Amiga!

@@UnamusedClerk Carl Sassenrath actually wanted to include memory protection in the OS but the cost of adding a 68451 MMU was deemed too high. You can see spots in the design where he had the capability in mind, but by the time MMUs became cheaper (or integrated in the 68030) it was too late and too much software would've broken.

@@RobertTempleton64 I still have the three original manuals somewhere: the "Libraries and Devices", "Exec", the hardware manual, the AmigaDOS manual (all for OCS machines), and later, the User Interface Style Guide. Yes, AmigaOS was nice, and it's interesting to disassemble the ROM, so you can see what parts were written in C, and what was coded in assembler. It did suffer from some issues, though, and I'm not just talking about BCPL pointers (although those were pretty bad). I'm also not talking about the lack of memory protection. No, it's about the way that C structs were used. It's been argued that AmigaOS is kind-of object-oriented, because for example a Process struct inherits from a Task, and something else that I forgot. That proved a bit of a challenge when they moved to AmigaOS 2.0, and the Task struct had to be expanded. That space wasn't in the Process struct, so they had to improvise with sticking things at the end. Arguably, this could have been solved a bit neater, for example by using an extra level of indirection. Has-a, rather than is-a. Having said all that, I did my first proper development on the Amiga, and I've always been a stickler for the rules; the "proper" way to write software. And it has helped me a lot in my career.

I agree. I also recommend watching the movie *Echa Ekranu* 👍

wow... 10 years is incredible for the 80s and 90s!

@@emusunlimited yeah my dad finally replaced it in 1995-96 with a x86 Windows machine. We even had it online back in the early 90's via Gophernet (only thing available then in this area) they were vary capable machines for their time, but by the mid 90's they were quickly outpaced by x86 PC's.

The Amiga was so much better than the Apple. Honestly Apples were an overpriced joke compared to the competition except for very early in the Apple 2 days. Funny how they are still over priced and under powered today.

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Fancy rich guy! I had a Tandy TRS80, a Packard Bell (can't remember the model) then the Tandy 1000HX, then I think the IBM PS/1 , never could afford the Amiga. Fun times I remember sititng hours on PC with BBS's, Compuserve, typing in BASIC programs in the magazines, etc.

It's hard to describe innit to people today just HOW much BETTER it was than everything else. It was a MENTAL leap. It did EVERYTHING. Things no one thought possible for a computer costing what it did at the time. Like it was so far ahead it was mind boggling.

@@TechGently I was 11 and bought it used off one of my dads coworkers for $300. Mowed lawns all summer to pay for that.

@@zollotech I'm trying to remember ..the TRS-80 was produced in 79, and I got it in 82 when I was almost finished with high school, but the 90's were when it really took off while in college, fun times.

I had a Texas Instrument TI 99/4A. It was a really slow computer but it had the best looking clone of Space Invaders.

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if i remember, it was some version of the OS that had that easter egg. so anyone who owned an amiga (and was clever enough to find it) could have seen that egg!

Those were happy days. That and the early days of dialup internet 😄 what a time that was to be alive.

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That was epic 😂

Wait, what have I missed? I'm out of the loop.

The paperclip!!

I'd argue that there's one that might just barely beat it out... However, it never received the success level of the Amiga and it techinqually wasn't a sold product. It was a project that produced 2,000 units. So, the Amiga is still the most innovative commercially sold personal computer that I know of. As for what is possibly the most innovative computer platform ever, the insane 16-bit 1973 computer experiment was known as the Xerox Alto. It was the first computer to have a graphical OS, one of the first to be designed to use a computer mouse, and even one of the first to have a network-based videogame! Almost everything that we know graphical OS's for can be traced back to this computer.

@@kidwolf0015 The 1973 Xerox alto was definitely insane, it took a whole decade to merely approach it, and another decade to surpass it. "Ahead of their time" would be the understatement of the century; while others where hand programming PDP/11's & MITS Altairs, and computer still had papertape and teletype paper input, these guyes did not only have a keyboard, screen and hardrive, but a 3(!) button mouse, grapical interface, and most crazy of all - email and full networking.

It fell behind the C64 in quite a few ways. No instantly ready ROM BASIC, no command screen but just a command line, no extended character set and appropriate keyboard (PETSCII), no synthesizer but just a samples player, no backwards compatibility (the C64 can run a lot of programs for older Commodore computers with no or minor modifications).

If it wasn't for the fact that it was only sold in Japan, I think the Sharp X68000 could have beaten to be honest.

Amiga had pre-emptive multitasking OS in 1985. Even able to run a game at background. PC had pre-emptive multitasking OS in 1995 (Win95) but switching between OS and game was possible in Win2000 and XP. 10 - 15 years ahead of time and yet lost the fight. Amiga was ahead of time also in HW config using different accelerator - much like today's PC: - PC graphic card ........ Amiga's Denise - PC sound card .......... Amiga's Paula - PC 3D accelerator (3dfx Voodoo) .... Amiga's Agnus If Commodore would sell those chips as separate cards (eg. sound cards with Paula chips for ISA bus) that would be something! PC users would love to have also Amiga's graphics with 4096 colours instead horrible CGA with 4 colours. But for some reason Commodore's management rather let die whole Amiga's platform instead. The reason is that those people signed at Amiga's cover were not in management later on. Smart people were all gone. Same storey when management kicked out Steve Jobs and totally ruined Apple. Without Steve's return to Apple it would be gone like Atari and Commodore and others. Who knows how Amiga would end up if those engineers would return to save her.

@@arm-power I agree 101%

@I never apologise A string of wire would get three channels, one of them quite noisy. Not great but better than nothing.

Wow, werent allowed to have a tv in your room? Crazy. Ok, sure maybe they didnt want you watching the "violent 80s tv shows" (roll eyes -- today they'd be considered rated-G children stuff) but wow thats rough. For me, thankfully my parent bought it with a real monitor. I remember when computers finally caught on with the general public in the mid-90s and the public were in awe by the clarity of monitors vs tvs. And here i was confused why they thought it was special since most of us "nerds" (does that word even exist today since everyone uses a computer) had crisp monitors for many years prior.

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@@PregnantSausage This TV had a SCART connector with RGB, the picture quality was identical to that of the 1084s most of my friends had.

@Andreas U. did you really need a TV alongside an Amiga 500 and all you could do with it ?

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this thing was still great later on too man this way ahead of the game now I want one to mess around with.

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You felt nothing because you did not allow yourself to get attached to it.

@@statinskill awful sound should prevent anyone to do so

If you think you had it bad, I went from the SID Chip to a MS-DOS PC with a fucking beeper speaker

@@ACanOfBakedBeans So did I. I then bought a Soundblaster. That's more audio capabilities on that one board than any homecomputer ever had.

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I'm currently playing a game called Ion Fury and the guru meditation is referenced in a level.

similar path for me, my uncle got a C64, later my older brother sold it and put the money towards an Amiga 500. We had it until cca 1997 and I loved it to the very last day my brother sold it to buy a PC. I still have that PC by the way. I'm also an IT guy because of these influences and I love old games to this day.

You were so lucky, from other videos or looks like the c64 came with a huge manual that taught basic programming, not to mention that games clearly looked miles better than the other home computers. Sadly my parents didn't even consider buying me a book which might have changed my life forever

@@sie4431 Yes I tried to learn a bit of coding on c64 in basic using the book it came with and the examples in magazines but I was too young really. I learned a bit more basic on the BBC micro at school and translated a bit of that onto my new Amiga in AmigaBasic, but it was when I got my hands on BlitzBasic and AMOS from magazine coverdisks on the Amiga that my world changed. All of a sudden I had the tools to build stuff that could challenge production software (i hadn't learned the beauty of assembler at this point).

I was lucky as well.. absolute blind luck the Amiga 500 was part of my childhood from my dad and it shaped my life thereafter

My brother and I almost bought an Atari ST, but then the A500 came out and we just had to have that instead. Problem was that all of the local computer shops, including all the Dixons has sold out. We spent hours driving around various towns looking for one in stock. We ended up in Preston (about 30 miles from home) and found the last one in the Dixons there. Eventually upgraded to an A1200 when they arrived, which I used until around 1999. And strangely enough I'm an engineer in computing too. 🙂

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I'm really impressed with it. I never paid it any attention, only really saw it's desktop interface. I'm completely amazed by it's graphics capabilities!

Me too! I had a 1000 and a 2000, and many of my friends I made on BBS's at the time had 500 and a mix of those. So this is pure nostalgia joy for me. (And a tiny bit of sadness haha)

Theres only one 8 bit guy.

@@BrawndoQC IIRC, I had, in this order, an A500, an A1000, an A3000, a CD32, an A1200 in a tower. I even owned the SX32 for the CD32, essentially turning it into an A1200, with a black CDTV keyboard. I forgot what happened to most of these computers - I think I just gave them away when I switched to PC in 1998 or so. The A1200 though looked like new and was sitting neatly wrapped in its original box in my cellar - for the past 17 years actually - until some douche bag broke into our cellar and stole it a few months ago. :-/

I agree, during that time computers were really more fun.

That is so true. 8 bit guy has the catchiest intro tune on KZhead

If only he was still the iBook Guy 😅

It's just about the only intro music on KZhead that doesn't have me reaching for the right arrow key...

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@@drphilxr Oh for sure. I have an A500 that's been stuck in a Checkmate case with so many upgrades it looks modern. Hell, it even has USB! Once my zz9000 arrives I'll have something really special.

After a nuclear war, I would prefer a computer I can program myself, so my bunker will have a C64.

It's finding new life in the arduino/raspberry pi world now. I have a $30 controller here, literally a couple of mm smaller than the original 68000 "candy bar" package, that I can emulate the Amiga OS on. Just search for the words 'teensy' and 'amiga'.

The only drawback to the Amiga is that I kind of wish they would have added a SID chip to go along with the Paula and made it downward compatible with the C64, much like what Commodore did with the 128. Hell, pretty much all the 8 bit Commodore line were all downward compatible with the PET

@@lordevyl8317 The Amiga is not a Commodore, completely different architecture and OS, it could never be compatible. It was Commodores biggest mistake not to develop an own 16-bit computer in time, compatible with the C64, which could have killed even the IBM PC and clones. A compatible 16-bit CPU by WDC was around since 1983. A former collaboration between Commodore and WDC had gone wrong, perhaps that prevented it.

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I used my Amiga (A2000) from 1990 until the monitor went out some time in the mid 00s

me too my friend,me too, i loved my amiga so much,i still have it in storage,i just cant throw it away

The golden age of the Amiga was from 1990 to 1993, that's when almost all the best games were made.Then in 1994 Commodore went bankrupt.

@@souljastation5463 The Amiga killed Commodore by not being C64-compatible, which could have made it an IBM-PC-killer.

When the [...] series gets a new episode. You talk like that happens with any regularity. Last time there was one before this one was a full year before we heard the word "COVID" for the first time. Go figure.

And not a single dislike!

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@@PaintsAreOp just a matter of time before someone gets woooooooshed

I recommend installing FS-UAE or getting RPi4 or 400 and PiMiga image. Real Amigas can be expensive and emulation is almost perfect now.

I had a PAL Amiga 600 for several months then sold it just this year, i don’t live in PAL Land. Ultimately I can’t recommend a real Amiga, for a few reasons. 1: the Amiga was most successful in PAL areas so you either need a PAL Amiga and a compatible monitor (not easy to find) or a NTSC Amiga and less software for it. 2: the Amiga isn’t compatible with anything else here in North America, not even the most basic things like the FAT file system, so you have to ferry software to the old Amiga from a virtual Amiga using UAE, why not just use WinUAE or UAE-FS then? 3: in order for a real Amiga to be even somewhat useful today, you need at least a Gotek floppy emulator, which has limitations. If you want WHDLoad, you will have to spend money on more chip ram, more fast ram, a CPU accelerator and if your Amiga has no hard drive interface, you’ll really be needing a CPU accelerator for that as well. In other words, a real Amiga is expensive, not compatible with anything else so they’re a huge pain to load software onto nowadays and it’s a very PAL-centric system due to being a flop in the USA.

@@KoopaMedia64 Buying old hardware is pretty inconvenient compared to software emulation and FPGA devices. People talk about 'original experience', but most of them put these absurd accelerators with hundreds of megs of RAM, new unfficial ROMs they install Amiga OS that looks like it's from 2010s and they play games from hard drive with Whdload. They also install USB ports, plug interfaces with modern mice and LCD monitors/TVs. There's nothing original about this experience. Nobody had all this mess back in the day when Amiga was big. People rarely had any expansions or hard drives then. Having a dedicated monitor was a luxury and many Amigants had TVs. FS-UAE is an amazing experience and you can use a modern gamepad that is super precise and comfortable compared to these crappy Quickshot joysticks we had back then. I had Amiga and I love it, but buying like 30 years old computer for a price of a good laptop that can run everything from early arcades to PS2 is a joke. And I don't even count amount of money you need to put into all these modern addons and new parts. 🤷‍♂️

@@mattx5499 but not all old computers are as difficult and expensive as the Amiga. Look next door to the good old C64, all you need to play some games on a C64 is to get an SD2IEC, which takes SD cards formatted in plain old FAT32 or even just FAT16 if you want. C64s are cheap and plentiful in both NTSC and PAL, easy to work with and doesn’t require expensive extra ram or accelerators.

@@KoopaMedia64 Maybe C64 is ok in this case, but you can just use Vice and avoid all the nuisance. And Vice is not only C64 but everything 8-bit from C=. And on the same computer you can also have Ataris, Apples, Amiga, MSX, Amstrad, Speccy, consoles and arcades and so on. All in one with perfect picture, controlled by one wireless gamepad and good mouse. You can have it all on an old $100 laptop that can be taken everywhere. Why bother with an old junk that can do one thing only?

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I used this multitasking feature to format many floppies at the same time

I do remember a version of CP/M that did this in 1985.

How are you able to watch the video 17 hour before release?

@@creator-link It's one of the perks Patreon supporters get.

The A500 is really aging well. Performance wise and reliability wise... :)

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Coming from someone who was an Atari freak in the 80's when I was a teenager, the Amiga is a hands-down winner here. I grew up using the 8-bit Atari's like the 800XL and 130XE, and never touched the C64 or VIC20. I then moved to the Atari ST - and I loved it at the time. But the Commodore Amiga - for it's time - was absolutely stunning with it's graphics and sound capabilities. Winner ultimately was the Amiga. Still coming from an Atari users point of view. ;) I still have my 800XL, but it is covered in dust now. I even remember doing a RAM chip replacement to get it to start when it wouldn't for a time. Memories.....

Yes but they went broke and Amstrad walked away with Millions

It wasn't purely the marketing, the tech just got left behind. The AGA chipset (allowing for 256 on-screen colours on an Amiga) wasn't introduced until 1992, whereas VGA had offered that on PCs for five years at that point--plus the price of PCs was plummeting while the Amiga never seemed to get any cheaper.

@@d2factotum Clone PCs drove up the demand for more chips, and the economy of scale took over. Macs are not cheap, compared to a similar PC, but there is only Apple making them.

@@d2factotum More than that, the AGA chipset was a cost cutting compromise. The planned AAA for the 'next gen' Amigas (Amiga Advanced Architecture) would have been revolutionary at the time with a hybrid 32/64 bit retargetable graphics system.. the system began development in 1988. What could have been..

It would still be where it is.

My take is that it wasn't the marketing, but the fact that there was not nearly enough R&D thrown at the machine, since the CEO and President kept taking all the profits from the company.

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The A500 was a good gaming computer. Dune, Wings, Pirates, hours of fun.

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Me too honestly

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Even at that time, there were Amiga's which could have smashed that PC in terms of performance, the reality was though, that most Amiga owners didn't have one and so games tended to target the lowest common denominator. Even so, it was still impressive what could be attained.

Specialized coprocessing was also going on at the time with SGI. They took it to the next level. Its sad that we live in the homogenized world that the x86 created. These specialized systems had a "soul" that the x86 would never attain

@@bosborn1 I have great memories of both working with (IRIX based) SGIs and owning various models over the years. The hardware was amazing of course in its day. They were also in a whole different price bracket to the Amiga and PCs of the time so, you were certainly paying big bucks for the pleasure.

@@digitalarchaeologist5102 One of my guilty pleasures these days is playing quake on an Indigo 2 Impact. Back when I was in college we used Amiga’s running Newtek video toaster and we had an SGI lab with a bunch of Indy’s networked into a Onyx 2 server. Those were the days. I would go over the PC lab which was running Intergraphs and just laugh at how far behind the Windows based machines were. Heck even running Avid on the Old Quadra’s was a better experience than any of the PC’s I have a soft spot for collecting SGI machines. There is a beautiful Iris Indigo on eBay right now that I would love to have.

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The Amiga fell behind the C64 in quite a few ways. No instantly ready ROM BASIC, no command screen but just a command line, no extended character set and appropriate keyboard (PETSCII), no synthesizer but just a samples player, no backwards compatibility (the C64 can run a lot of programs for older Commodore computers with no or minor modifications).

@@NuntiusLegis The Amiga technology was completely unrelated to anything Commodore had produced before and so even if they had seen any worth in compatability it would have been impossible. In any case, nobody was buying an Amiga in the hopes of using 8-bit software, that was the past and the Amiga was the future.

@@danyoutube7491 Yeah, backwards-compatibility means nothing to people - WRONG. The IBM clones have been the most successfull line of computers not least because they have always been very backwards compatible, people used 16-bit software for a long time on 32-bit PCs, and 32-bit software is still used on 64-bit PCs today. The C64 was the most widespread computer of it‘s day, so a backwards-compatible 16-bit computer by Commodore in time, combining top multimedia and office usability, would have been a hit the Amiga could only have dreamed of. This could also have been an IBM-(clone-)killer, and thus Commodore‘s ticket not ony to survival, but to keeping the world market leadership they had achieved with the C64. And it would totally have been possible, a compatible 16-bit CPU by WDC had been around since 1983. Apple used this in the IIGS which was backwards compatible with their 8-bit computers (II-line). They slowed it down significantly because they thought that otherwise it would have killed the Mac. I guess Commodore missed the opportunity because a former collaboration with WDC-founder Bill Mensch, when they had still been making calculators, had gone terribly wrong. The Amiga had nothing in common with the former computers by Commodore not because it was new and 16-bit, but because it was actually not made by Commodore, they just bought it. But all that was not even my point, I just gave an outline of nice capabilities the C64 does have and the Amiga does not have. I heard of quite some people who, like me, owned an Amiga after the C64 and were disappointed. I switched back to the C64 after a few months and used that as my main computer again until I got my first IBM-clone.

Me too. Every episode since the last Commodore one, I kept bugging him asking when the Amiga one was coming out. :)

Have you shared them somewhere on the Internet? If not would you please? I would be most grateful:)

@@tofikk Sorry, I sold my Amiga in 1992 for a PC, so I don't have a copy anymore.

@@giulianomarco Ah, you've done it now. You will have to get back into the Amiga again after 30 years and recreate those game mods!

Hah, yeah - us PC guys were seeing that term bandied about in the mid-90s. “Photo realistic” VGA graphics, years later. The brute force CPU method (vs. having everything on a co-proc) definitely made more sense in the long term, but it wasn’t until the _late_ 90s that it actually paid off.

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and this is only the first Amiga, the others that came soon after blew this one away

This is why Amiga fans have somewhat of a reputation for being so zealous about the platform because they see what could have been... what should have been. It might be hard to imagine now, but seeing the Amiga do its stuff back in the day when you're used to 8 bits and monochrome PCs just blew my mind. I had to have one. Ironically, it often had the reputation of just being a games machine and wasn't a serious computer because it didn't have Lotus 1-2-3, yet it was never about capability. It was way more capable. People just assumed a serious computer had to be monochrome and run a spreadsheet otherwise it was a just a toy. Thanks to marketing too. So ironic when spreadsheets require like hardware accelerated GPUs these days. Of course the Amiga is not the only example. The Acorn Archimedes is another range which was way ahead of its time and deserved more market than it got.

​@@digitalarchaeologist5102 Amiga had spreadheets and wordprocessors that could import files from and export to Lotus 1-2-3 and popular wordprocessors from the PC. It also had CrossDOS that made 720KB 3.5" PC floppies readable/writable on the Amiga. You could also connect Amiga and PC through parallel port. Te problem is that these programs and features weren't advertised at all. So Amiga was seen as gaming and creative software machine and not office work machine. I tried some of the best Amiga office/productivity software like wordprocessors, spreadsheets, database, printing apps etc. Many of them had WYSIWYG interface with features we take as standard today. And yeah all that worked on AmigaOS 1.x. And these programs could be launched at the same time and have their own color schemes intependent from the OS. Even you could set up these programs to run in 2, 4, 8 or 16 colours! All that on a computer released back in 1985.

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Yes, moving from windows 9x to windows NT was an game changer, remember tracking down an crack for Daggerfall so I could run it on windows NT :)

Oh, the Sharp X68k and it's Yamaha YM2151. I think that computer system alone has the best version of Castlevania. To be honest, I wish I was born a bit earlier to experience the Computer Wars. But alas, I was born in the last ages of MS-DOS and near the full supremacy of Wintel.

There was another interesting machine from the early 1980s, called the Sirius/Victor 9000. It had some quite innovative hardware. Trouble is, it wasn’t quite “IBM compatible” (really, “Microsoft compatible”), so it was swept aside by the sea of mediocrity that swamped the PC market from the latter 1980s onwards.

@@NaviciaAbbot Which is funny as the Amiga had the worst version of Castlevania. The lack of good ports of Japanese games is one thing that hurt the Amiga pretty badly, but the Japanese stuff leaned heavily on sprites.

@@NozomuYume The c64 version of Castlevania is actually not that bad, same thing with simpsons.

why wasn't the amiga successful in america? in europe the amiga was very successful. that surprises me a bit

as a tech obsessed person who was 10 in 1980, the 80s were truely a magical time for nerds. So many different systems and such an incredibly fast progress, it was dizzying. I loved my A2000 (modded with a 68030, an actual hard drive and extra ram) and was really sad when I had to sell it to get a 486 with Windows3.11 for my CS studies. It was an incredible machine.

Agree. Amiga

It was harder to get into programming on the Amiga compared to the C64.

Very jealous!

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That's fantastic!! Thanks for giving them such a wonderful home all these years.

While technically true. I never met anyone who used OS/2. Too little too late, it was DOA.

Well, he didn't say that in the video anyway. He said that most users would only get it then. The few (like me) who used OS/2 saw it earlier.

I think there was also xenix, Microsoft's unix distribution in 1987 for the pc.

I maybe mistaken, but I'm pretty confident Windows 95 wasn't pre-emptive. Otherwise, what was the point of Windows NT.

@@rabidbigdog You're mistaken. Windows 95 absolutely was pre-emptive, though it still had some issues with message queues. Windows NT was a completely different thing. That's like saying if you've got a motorcycle, what's the point of a sports car. Though back at that time NT was more clunky than sporty.

After using the Amiga in the 80s, I felt like a time traveler, gone back to some prehistoric time whenever I had to use other machines...this feeling didn't go away into well into the 2000s (with the advent of the iPad - which I ordered the first release wifi-only version).

only house wifes cry price point! Needed a Amiga, running MIDI or ray tracing? still need it now, or go cry nostalgic bullshit here? why this mad?

The Amiga Demoscene will blow you away, then!

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you might want to give it a thorough check as the capacitors were a bit dodgy and prone to leaking causing acid damage to the board most of the time people will replace the capacitors with modern solid-state ones to prolong the life.

@@jonsouth1545 To be fair, I replaced it(and about 10 other machines) with emulators long ago due to the aforementioned issue with DF0: on the A1200(a lot of games will only work from DF0) and the disks themselves succumbing to bit rot. The SCSI adapter is also broken, so I can't use the CD-ROM drive, either. Add the financial burden of it all, and yeah, it just isn't feasible. It's why they haven't been booted in so long.

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I ran my Amiga 3000 (and 500) into my university years and I did not buy my first PC until it felt like it had truly superseded what the Amiga could do for similar money. And that was when the Celeron 300A and the NVidia TnT came to market in the late 90's. That combination got me hooked on Quake 2 deathmatch and never let go :) Of course now I mostly use my PC for games, entertainment and work. Computery playtime is mostly on my macMini since it is the best combination of a Unix-like development environment and support for every GUI-app under the sun... I'm happy that Apple survived the 90's as the computer world would have been exceptionally bleak with only Microsoft in it.... It's cool though that the Amiga community lives on and it's absolutely incredible that new hardware just keeps getting released for it!

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It pretty weird PC these days are judge to be cool by putting fancy LEDs which are 100% unrelated to computing.. LOL

@@valcrist7428 LOL! OMG you're so right!!! That's not what made the computers cool in the day, of course the memory, graphics, sound are 6 orders of magnitude greater, but it was the DIY part that made it fun. Games today take an army of people to make, I did it in my spare bedroom (Muncher VIC-20, 1982 sold by Video Wizards) The computer comes in such a way like LEGO bricks that you have to put together and make something. LED's in the CPU case! Dang give me a break!!! LOL

Exactly the same memory :)

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Yea... friend of mine had a VIC-20, and I had a Commodore 64. We used to play around with BASIC a bit as kids... But I quickly figured out that the C64 was better than the VIC-20... Then one day that friend got an Amiga 500... What the heck was this sorcery!? Eventually I saved up to get an Amiga of my own, and we'd code with AMOS on our Amigas. And things just went from there.

If you see the Amiga as just the evolutive successor of the Atari 8 bitter (which came out 1979 just 2 years after the holy trinity) it looks much less spectacular. 1977 (TRS-80,PET-2001,APPLE II) beginning 1979 (Atari 400/800, TI-99-4) color and synth chips 19[123] (VIC-20, TI-99-4A, Spectrum) cost cutting 198[34] (C64, Atari XL) maturity in 8bits 1985 (Atari ST, Amiga) Evolution to 16 bits

@@galier2 Kind of shows the chip market back then. Gate Array chips really built alot of these systems for the cheap.