[FullHD] Rotate too soon!!! SW Business Boeing 727-200(A) landing, taxi & takeoff at Geneva/GVA/LSGG
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Airline: Azerbaijan Airlines (operated by Silk Way Business Aviation)
Aircraft: Boeing 727-251(A)(WL)
Registration: 4K-8888
Name: /
Fleet #: /
Livery: BEAUTIFUL!!
Airport: Geneva Cointrin - GVA/LSGG
Origin: Baku Heydar Aliyev International (Bina International) - GYD/UBBB
Destination: Baku Heydar Aliyev International (Bina International) - GYD/UBBB
Callsign: ESW8888 - "W-BUSINESS 8888"
Flight: J2123/4
Date: July 13th 2014
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Hello everyone ! Since this video is getting quite a lot of views recently, I want to clarify some stuff: 1. Yes this is a 727 with Winglets. I am not sure if they were retro fitted or if they were built that way, but for sure 727-100 and 727-200 can be seen with them ! 2. I doubt this was a short field takeoff as the runway at Geneva is 3,900m/12,795ft long. Maybe it was practice indeed, but considering that was a commercial flight I don't know if pilots would do this 3. Maybe it was a showoff, there sure was a lot of spotters there ! But again, it was a commercial flight, I doubt the pilots would take the risk to make this type of manoeuvers. Feel free to put down below your thoughts and comments on it ! :)
Given the sharp slope of the climb, I guess this aircraft had a lot of power to overcome any excess of induced drag! So, this must have been a show-off :)
Text book takeoff frankly. From what I understand the 727 was an awkward aircraft.
@@glennpowell3444 show off for sure
This is not only "not-normal" but also very dangerous. The only other time I have seen this is during certification testing when they try to determine the unstick speed (VMU). Should an engine (1 or 3) fail at speeds below V1 with the nosewheel off of the ground, there is a very good chance that the rudder alone at those lower speeds will not have enough authority to keep the airplane on the runway. Also, I noticed no reverser deployment on landing, something else which is highly unusual.
@@edwinsahakian1945 I noticed there are two types of reverser in the 727, the usual bucket style and the cascade style, the cascade style has exhaust vents on the top and bottom of the exhaust. Judging from the existence of exhaust vents on the exhaust, I infer that the reverser was deployed
The 727 is, in my opinion, one of the sexiest airliners ever built. I don't know how many miles I flew as a passenger but, in those days, you could visit the cockpit. I still remember that smell of canvas, ozone and a hint of machine oil. I can still here the whispers of the gyros as the pilots entertained the stupidest of my questions. Love that plane. Winglets had to be a retrofit as the last 727 manufactured was without. There are several retrofit manufacturers out there.
She's beautiful 🤩
"Hey, Chuck...hold my beer, watch this shit...this is how I got off of that gravel sandbar in Alaska years ago as a bush pilot!"
Obviously most of you guys don't know anything about executive/VIP flying! That pilot greased that bird onto the runway..... boss didn't even notice they were on the ground - nor did his female companion spill her champers! (Someone mentioned not using reversers. He didn't need to use them, so why put your VIP's through the noise and vibration?). Take off roll..... he lifted the nose wheel to smoothen the ride, and let the plane fly off the ground when it was ready. Again, barely noticable in the cabin. Oh.... and all the while, he was operating well within the envelope! Excellent and professional airmanship in the given situation.
We often practice the same technique while flying VIP in the Global 6000
Yeah that technique would waste too much fuel for us common folk due to the excessive drag on take-off.
You know what you are talking about, for sure sir!
this negative take off landing is reduce the safety make sure you do it with confident .... if any engine failure while t/o before v1 its disaster
Greased it??? Ya, after let it float a thousand feet due to ground effect.
that wasn't early rotation, that was a wheelie
eXozGaming I didn’t know you could do a wheelie with an airplane! 😃🛫✈️🛬
eXozGaming what a showoff😂
it was a good wheelie
better than moto gp
Holy crap !!!
Slid onto the runway with barely a puff from the tires, then raises the nose and holds it rock steady during the wheelie. Bloody great job, wish I had the money to travel like this!
Not a great job - stupid and dangerous.
A friend of mine who piloted the 727 said he loved that plane. Very easy to fly and easily controlled.
I just love that someone is still flying 727's! One of the nicest looking airliners ever made.
Boy they sure could climb!
Got to love a tri-jet!
Too loud. Lots of complaints from people who live near airports. This led to nighttime restrictions.
@@RTeBokkel yeah, i know what killed them. Buy cheap land near the airport, then complain about noise! Get the same complaints on the railways... Worked at Perth Control when Australian Air Express flew their nightly freight run to Melbourne with one of the ex-Australian Airlines ones (or was it ex-Ansett?). You could always hear it departing! It often returned via Adelaide as the predominant winds killed it's range.
@@richardmorris7063 The 727 was never known to be a climber... fast once in cruise, yes... climber, not at all.
I love the sound of those Pratt & Witney JT8-D ... The Boeing 727 is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever made.
727 is a sharp Boeing.... here big sister the 707 is the Queen Bee of the skies back then .....she is most pretty to look at
loud as hell
I enjoyed seeing 727's land in windy conditions! Some of the shortest roll off ive ever seen, like two taxiways and left turn to terminal!
I miss the 727... like a big sports car cruising at 0.86. The one here is an REW (re-engine, winglets). The outboards are replaced with the same engines as an MD80 series (-217 I think), center stays the same.
727 was a stolen design from the British(Hawker Siddeley Trident), they were meant to go into this together but went their own way.
Looks like they were trying to save wear and tear on the nose gear lol
Liked it! I can hear the pilots saying "Vee-one? Rotate...nah forget it" :)
Thanks! :D
V1 is a takeoff callout
No, V2 is rotation callout. V1 is where take off can be aborted.
I don't know how you guys do it in Europe, but v2 is never called. V1-point of no return, and rotate-pull back on the stick. V2 is a name for takeoff speed, but I've never heard a pilot say it out loud
You are correct, co-pilot calls V1 then says , rotate.
I watched many a 727 takeoffs back in the 70's-90's. This was a technique experienced Captains used/taught because it was better/more efficient aerodynamically. Also, another "peculiarity" of the 727-200 was in the "flare" - if you caught a "sinker" in the final seconds prior to touchdown, pulling the yoke "aft" to arrest the sink would actually drive the main gear into the runway harder. However (and counter-intuitively), in this "sinker situation", experienced Captains would ease the yoke forward slightly to "arrest the sink" and "grease the mains" onto the runway. Ask any experienced (now likely retired) 727 Captain - they'll confirm.
That plane looks like the wrapper of an icecream bar
It almost tastes peanut...
Klondike
Haagen-dazs.
Jejeje. Tha's true. No wonder I felt something in my stomach, sort of a craving for that plane.
@@thomasgriffin8269 I
That was a wheelie done intentionally! Showing off in his stylish & classy looking 727. No pilot would rotate that early accidentally, it was done intentionally and pulled it off in style. Love it!
What'sthescore agree
If intentionally done it was pretty lame. Wrong angle of attack can = not getting airborne on the available runway which can lead to unfortunate consequences.
@@DaveyCrockett001 angle of attack on the wheelie or angle of attack for the take off?
yup you are totally correct... you can clearly see once he started the take off roll the elevator was completely to the up position te get the nose up as soon as he could... Good show!
I used see aircraft wheel barrow on take off roll. They were so focused on holding the yoke down, and the mains would lift off the ground! LOL Back in the 70s. Haven't seen it since.
Nice wheelie! Hahaha! Great catch. Very good looking 727 by the way!
Thanks! :D
Agreed. Great Catch. ; )
Glideslopes Thanks! :)
Great looking older lady.
Yeahhh, very good looking airplane!!
So cool. IMHO, a lot of planes come close, but the 27 is, to me, the greatest commercial aircraft of all time.
A 727-200 with winglets, a fancy painting and a fancier registration number? Stylish!
Azerbaijan registry
I wascsuprised to see winglets!
Drop dead gorgeous.
@@BakerStudiosIndy always liked the 727,clean looking too.
Full elevator at @2:14 then relax at @2:22 to continue the wheelie tell me this pilot is not just a pilot ...he or she understand fully how aerodynamics works lol
trying to save on wear on them forward tires
kal Desjarlais dat tru. Da is dem front tyres.
Yeah that is what i think to
Oggy Oggy what?
+Oggy Oggy, I'm curious, what language is that? Is it some sort of pidgin dialect from one of those remote Pacific islands with funny names?
Yeah but wastes in fuel by doing that
What a beautiful plane! All the tri-jets are really beautiful machines. The Dc10, MD-11.
L-1011 Huge Tri I flew on back in the 90s...Thing was beautiful but it was big. Like really big. Delta didn't have 747s so I guess this was their comparable model somewhat.
Beautiful 727!! Just amazing!! Stunning video dude!
Fantástico !
Rudi van Goch - Aviation Videography Thanks a lot dude! :D
Manoel Silvestre de Sousa Thanks!! :D
BOEING 727 the most beautifull plane. Regards from Mexico City.
My favorite narrow body jet, I miss seeing them. Thank you for posting, by the way, that was an awesome take off.
+miguel perez No problem! :) Thanks to you for watching and commenting! :D
Agreed. I miss the rear stairway. Guy looked like he knew his machine.
Go on a 737. Exact same fuselage, but just ignore the wing mounted engines and conventional tail
or take a 747,just ignore the bulge up front and the extra seats
Alright I'll have a go. Take a Cessna 172, ignore the high wing, imagine it lower. Ignore the front prop, and imagine more windows, three jet engines at the rear with a T-tail.
Looking very nice. Yes, I do miss 727-200's. They are great aircraft.
+Marcus LeeP I remember flying on them in the late 80s-early 90s as a kid from rdu to swf. my mom would ship my bro and i up north for half the summer almost. my favorite part of the vacation was the flights.
That was nice you remember the aircrafts when you were younger. Yes, I worked the 727-200 early in my airline career. There are some sports teams that use them for traveling to games. I continue to like other commercial aircraft and very cool business jets. Continue to travel and success.
That 727 is a buety! The winglets look great!
Beautiful 727 and an interesting takeoff, nice video!
Thanks a lot! :D
- You can't do a wheelie on a 727! - HOLD MY BEER...
The 727 and most Boeing planes pretty much rest on the main gear, there is not a lot of weight on the nose, this was very noticeable on the 727, for maintenance to taxi, you had to have at least 10.000 lbs of fuel in the center tank so the aircraft wouldn't bounce. Because of the wing sweep if you didn't put fuel in the center tank, you could sit the aircraft on it's tail while taxiing. So on take off, it really doesn't take much to get the nose wheel off the ground, also, the 727 had a great wing and flap system, if you were flying and put the flaps down to say 15 degrees, the nose will point up 10 degrees or so. So this is normal take off. Use to drive me nuts sitting in the cabin, you feel the nose go up but the mains are still bouncing down the next mile of runway!
Well said Scott, I've taxied many 727's, and they are very light on the nose gear. I've seen a 727 at the gate without passengers, which was sitting there for a while empty, with the nose gear off the ground about 2 feet. Fuel was transferred to the center tank to correct the problem. High winds can play havoc on empty 727's not chocked properly on the ground at the gate, they will weather-vane sometimes. I witnessed a 727 revenue flight after landing taxi to the gate in winter operations, with both nose tires just skidding along all the way to the gate. We had to jack the nose and apply heat to get the wheels turning. The runways and taxiways were wet and slick from deicer fluid, so the tires were fine. I worked for Delta as an Aircraft Mechanic (AMT) and had the pleasure of working on many Boeing 727's in Line Maintenance. We had a couple AMT's taxiing a 727, and they applied too much thrust reverser while taxiing, and raised the nose of the airplane way up into the air. Another pilot saw the mishap and reported it to ATC ground controllers. No damage to the 727, but the mechanics got a wake-up call!
Having the aft stairs wasn’t just to get in and out...they doubled as a kick stand 😬
Nicee...
LIES!
Hang on...most aircraft, if you put flaps down, the aircraft pitches nose down. This is useful for landing, you can see the runway better. You're saying the 727 was opposite to most planes, and when you put the flaps down, the nose pitched up?!
Pilot having fun on what is probably the best plane ever built! That elevator was fully up right from the beginning.
One of the best 727 landings I have seen and yes I have seen a thousand + ! The takeoff was even smoother !! That crew new how to fly a 727 !! Beautiful !!! Most crew slam em on the deck and force them to fly,these folks let the airplane do the flying !!
I have to agree with you, looking at that paint job his passengers would probably be most upset if they spilled their glass of champagne. All super smooth for the paying passengers.
I flew 727 3 times when I was a teensger, and yes, every time the pilot banged down on the runway.
Takeoff was NOT done correctly. He rotated way too early. That lengthens the takeoff run and affects climb gradient requirements. It did NOT make it any smoother-it caused the main gear to be on the runway longer. NOT impressed!
tenpiloto is correct. VERY bad piloting technique used on takeoff - for several reasons.
Well...that looked cool!! And it's the most detailed paint job I've ever seen!! I love it...however black and white would look AWESOME!!! (versus the gold and white) Thanks for sharing. :)
That similar paint job but in black and white is Air New Zealand. I might be wrong but I think that's kind of similar
Psychopathway Oh, yea! Sorta kinda. I googled ANZ Livery and it does look similar but in the black. Thanks! :)
Nice paint job.
Good looking plane. 727 was the first kind of plane I ever flew on.
Back when my parents were alive, they moved from New York to Ocala FL when my Dad retired and I visited them several times a year. I always flew Continental Airlines and I fell totally in love with the 727. Of all the narrow body planes the airline flew it was the quietest and most comfortable and it dominated the Newark-Orlando corridor until the wide body Airbus A-300 came along.
Dude, this shit doesn't come up. This shit doesn't come up. This shit doesn't co Oh, now it works.
Best comment so far. A nice turn from the sea of "experts" here.
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Amazing paint job, its rare to find a plane with its wings painted other than white
That’s Still a Beautiful BOEING Jet Airliner and as a BBJ Even Beautiful With That Paint Job and the interior I Bet Too 🛩😎🛩
It's amazing that just some 15 or so years ago, the sight of a 727 at almost any airport around the world would have evoked a mere yawn from most spotters. Nowadays, the hint of a 727 arriving at an airport, will often bring out the spotters in droves, ditto for the original 737. It was a beautiful and trusty workhorse of a plane, I definitely miss her.
I'd say 20 years ago.
Does that 1960's wallpaper stay on in flight, or does it eventually peel off ?
That 727 has a really cool paint job.
I kinda looked like Gulf Air
You can afford awesome paint by adopting a death row dog from the desert!
That was a smooth landing. Pilot got a raise
Very smooth landing and takeoff. I love 727s - sleek and beautiful - with three Pratt & Whitney JT8Ds. Wish they were still flying more of them.
Perfect landing and amazing take-off. The pilots look very experienced. I think they did that show-off just for you and the other planespotters
Thank you very much! :D It you're right, it's the greatest pilot I ever seen! :D
ady, you have no fukin' idea what you are talking about
Ady F ... Now tell us what you really think.
@@marvinblankinchip2535 an airman should know smooth take off landing will reduce safety ....
it was intentional. If we look at the the Elevator , at the take off roll its tilted up . Once the nose gear starts to go up he released and maintained the pitch.
I noticed that as well. Also during landing, he hung right there about a foot off the floor for a bit before setting it down. Cool stuff!
Agreed.
Extended landing on main gear for more drag, so didn't use the thrust reversers. Very pretty plane. I've never seen winglets on a 727 before. Greater fuel efficiency?
well perhaps, but many airlines prefer to put nose gear as soon as possible and give the full weight to landing gears. The reason is breaking is better in wheel brakes rather than braking by drag.
Reversers were operating.
The less the front wheel has to take the better! He knew exactly what he was doing mate!
It still seemed to go okay, the 727 is *gorgeous* in that livery!😍
It's hard to believe this is Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020.
You got me for a sec🤣
I’m laughing at how many people replayed the video for conformation of your statement
Lol
Hahahaha
The 727 can be a lot of fun with a pilot who wants to push the throttle. The plane was fast.
That "wheelie" was deliberate. On the take off roll, watch the elevator as it is tilted up. Then, once the front gear lifts up, watch the pilot as he releases the elevator and keeps the wheelie going. :)
Gosh, why aren't planes as beautiful anymore?
The landing was real smooth if anyone else noticed.
Both landing and take off had shortened contact of the front wheel for smoothness in the first class, so these two maneouvres were probably intentional by the pilot to impress VIPs.
NO SOE!
Absolutely not!
@@bmc9504 Why not ?
@@RPM-wd9rb because not having the nose gear on the runway means you can’t brake on landing. Therefore, it is a safety risk to brake aerodynamically. Same goes for the take off: rising the nose too early means the wings are giant air brakes, costing precious speed needed for liftoff.
That's NOT the way a normal takeoff is conducted via the Boeing flight manual. I realize that this is a private operation so that may not apply. Trying to impress the VIP's or fly the aircraft properly. When the aircraft is flown properly, few if any passengers notice the rotation anyway.
WOW!!! That is indeed priceless! A classic 727-200 popping a wheelie during her takeoff run! That was cool, and yet I can imagine frightening for her passengers at the same time I reckon. And the thing is here that we normally associate popping wheelies with motor bikes or dragsters, NOT massive jetliners like the Boeing 727! That's what makes this video so priceless!
Thank you very much! :D
GVA Spotter Anytime, man. And I'm sorry to hear you're not going to be seeing this old gal for too much longer. 727s and DC-9s were the mainstay short-haul jetliners during my time of growing up, followed closely by the 737 and MD-80.
Russell Smith We will see this 727 until the month of September, then we will have an A319 Azerbaijan.. but there is still some VIP 727 flying, I hope we will have some of these before their retirement...
Beautiful plane! Always loved the 727-200. This one reminds me of Braniff and their classy paint schemes in its later years.
Nice landing nice take off....maybe a bit early on the old rotation bit but hey could have been a test pilot flying this "old bird"....lovely colour scheme what a catch 5*
richard c Thanks a lot!! :D
Perfect rotation. Get the nose wheel off the ground, hold that angle of attack, wait for the plane to fly itself off the runway. Very comfortable for passengers. The operational equal to the landing. Beautiful plane. Mint 727 gas hog.
This looks like a Cessna soft field takeoff done with a jet. It’s not a Cessna, it’s a jet. It’s not soft field, it’s concrete. Dangerous in many ways. Wouldn’t pass a checkride...
Pat, Jets aren't flown this way for a reason. If they would have had an engine failure (engine #1 or #3) they likely would have gone off the side of the runway. The nosewheel is off the ground and their isn't enough rudder authority to compensate for asymmetrical thrust loss.
Bryce the engines are really close to each other on the 727.
@@816928 the pilot must take off if they already reach the v1 sir .... it is mistake to roll the plane before the vr speed reached .... im former flight dispatcher my job calculate aircraft performance and w&b .... when they doing this at daily based fuel cost will increase for nothing they will burn more fuel in second climb ... not counting they dangerous caused by this movement
@@quantumcelljimbaran7310 they were not even close to reaching Vr when they rotated. This crew was just show boating. This is NOT how you operate any jet.
With nice, clear wing surfaces, unencumbered by engines hanging off them; and all the thrust produced at the rear of the aircraft; the 727 could do take-offs and landings like this all day, every day; as long as there was a really experienced 727 skipper or co-pilot at the controls. I was privileged enough to be mates with a former RAAF C-47 (Dakota) pilot who went on to fly 727 for an Australian domestic carrier when the 727 was introduced here. He retired as a 727 skipper and told me the 727 was the best aircraft he ever flew, although he always had a soft-spot for his old Dacs. Had he lived to see this video he wouldn't have been surprised at all. Cheers, BH
IMHO the B727-200 is one on the most beautiful airplanes ever made and with this paint scheme looks amazing. Kudos to the paint designer. I take my hat off to a pilot with undeniable skills and had a wonderful time on that take off.
The most beautiful 727 still flying. Crazy rotation!
Baybee K Thanks!! :)
Ok, I’ll chime in. While the early rotation does appear intentional it is a poor practice. If any of the three engines were to fail before liftoff the pilot would have to carefully derotate until the nosewheel was firmly back on the runway before braking could begin. That’s going to eat up a LOT if not all of the runway. RTO level braking with the nose gear still in the air will likely result in structural damage. Had either #1 or #3 engines failed, directional control on the runway would have been difficult if not impossible and a runway excursion likely. A major factor in calculating Vr is the Vmcg speed. Even with everything going right that early rotation creates an excessive amount of drag, increasing the takeoff ground roll and ultimately wear and tear on the tires and landing gear.
He's an idiot.
Of all the planes, this is the one I'd buy if I couldn't spend the interest. A foxtroting 722, w winglets, and some fantastic circa '74 patterns in a contemporary application. That is one fantastic plane.
That was a wheelie my dearest fellow...trust me this chap knows what's he's doing there.....Right on the edge of VMU....Nice catch!
The rich owner said stop that vibration...so the skipper pulled the nose wheel off early for a smooth ride:-)lol
That's the answer...much less rattling.
You could see the elevator deflected full up very early in the roll. That was intentional.
Showoff pilot!! Awesome! :D
Love you barzardz from Australia 🇦🇺.
Man, I sure do dig the way those older engines sound! They may be loud, and perhaps not quite as efficient, but they sure sound cool! :)
He just wanted to show he could do a wheelie with his 722. LOL
+D. Peters LOL !
+D. Peters : That's what I wuz gonna say! :-)
In all honesty though. There seems to me to be a problem with CRM or flight preparations. Either the buggs weren't set right, or the math wasn't completed right...something. Some procedure wasn't followed to make him think he could rotate and lift off when he did.
+D. Peters Funny..good one
+D. Peters That was intentional. The elevator was full up at the beginning of take off roll.
I'm not a pilot, and only occasionally a (commercial) passenger, but my impression, from a noisy seat toward the rear, on the one trip I recall on a 727, is that a typical departure involves scrambling down the runway, making as much noise as possible, and then clambering into the air at the last possible moment (I guess it only seems like the last possible moment. Yes I did look out the window to check). I don't mean to imply that it was an unpleasant trip. I had plenty of elbow room back there, and many inquiries as to my comfort from three attentive stewardesses, each a pleasure to look at.
Oh. Departing San Jose, CA, if I recall correctly.
That was a pro giving a smooth ride on a ruff runway. Excellent work.
GVA Spotter, knows Zippo about VIP flying..... that was smooth, smooth, smooth. The pilot is obviously a Master Pilot and experienced in catering to VIPs.
Rotated way too soon. Good thing he didn't over rotate and scrape the tailskid, or worse. Thanks for posting!
***** Not problem! ;) Thank you for watching and for commenting! :D
What a gorgeous aircraft! The livery is stunning!
Great video! Nose-up for quite a distance!
This may actually be a Flap 5 takeoff where it is standard procedure to get the nose wheel off as soon as possible and let the plane fly itself off the runway. It is advantageous for heavier loads during takeoff for some runways
A little back pressure, and trim...Let the plane do the rest.
No, standard rotation per Boeing is two to three degrees per second.
@@Yodar1923 my dad flew 40 yrs for pan am. he would let the plane reach rotation speed and trim up the nose at about 2 or 3 degrees...you would not have that yanked off the ground feeling...super smooth...he was considered to be the 727 king..willie Brandt would only fly with him.
Everything you said was incorrect. Try doing your troll thing elsewhere. “Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
Nose on the ground till Vr is called, then rotate 2-3 degrees per second to about 13 degrees.
The opposite to a Ryanair landing, which has sometimes more to do with an impact than with a landing ;-)
You have never flown with any other airline?
@@karhukivi Of course I have flown with other airlines, they even don't fly to destinations outside of Europe. However, other airlines with long range widebodies don't treat them in this way. Also this is a running gag, so don't take this too serious ;-)
How does it compare to a Ryanair takeoff?
Every landing is a controlled crash
Fly navy!😏
Best take off ever lol pop a wheelie! GOOD JOB AS ALWAYS! Very lucky to still see 727! GOOD CATCH! Loving it as always
Thank you very much! :D Yes we are pretty lucky to have a 727 2 times a week :)
This video is receiving many visits lately ....... for one of the most beautiful airplanes ever made
Pilot just wanted to show off on takeoff -nice wheelie! ;)
Used to do that for smooth ride up front if runway was choppy. Hold the nose down and those seams feel like you're hitting split cord wood.
Which would also explain the landing technique as well; he's been around that block before.......
I have been onboard Con air 727's a couple of times.even in handcuffs I enjoyed the historically beautiful Boeing's.
Who bothers with weight calcultations? Just pull the nose up a bit, and wait until it unsticks. Then try to figure out what your landing speed will be......
:D :D :D That´s the right way to do it. Just trying how fast is stall speed.^^
You have to be kidding.
pilot is just showboatin. that was more like a soft field takeoff.
Somehow I'm tending towards nose gear shimmy or even damage. Given how he slammed that nose gear onto the run way (you can even see the wheels actually squat), I would say the pilot did this intentionally to take the pressure of it until the techs at home base can have a look.
What? Looked like a great landing to me.
I call it premature rotationelation.
I agree, soft field takeoff, he was concerned the concrete was too soft.
Lots of guys will hold the nose wheel off for better ride and once VR reached just pull it back more.......This is very common with soft field takeoff too.......
BACK IN THE 197OS THE 727 WAS CALLED LITTLE BITCH SHE WAS FAST AND CUTE WE LOVED THE 727 AT BOEING AND STILL DO TILL TODAY
what a wonderful colour on this historic plane . and geneva has a one of the finest landscapes in the background 👍
"Do you even lift bro?"....... Yeah..... eventually! 😂👌
It doesn't look like an error, but an intentional raising of the airplanes nose. A premature rotate would have probably resulted in a tail hit but the pilot never completed it until he had the necessary speed.
Lucky he had some runway left !
Don't know, he seemed to use a lot of the runway to land also. When he did finally put the wheels down he had to spend a lot of thrust and braking. Maybe he doesn't have a lot of time on a 727.
Many unfortunate passengers didn't have a lot of time on 727s either !
Besides landing and take off, how amazing is the livery !
That's the "Dugan Quiet System" wing, which droops the ailerons about 5 degrees but restricts the flaps to 25 degrees, all in the name of quietness. Funny thing? The 727 was still SCREAMING loud! I never could land the 727 equipped with this system right. That was a flaps 5 takeoff. This uses a HELL of a lot more runway, but your climb performance after you leave the ground is far better, as seen in this video. LOL! The knucklehead who owns this 10,000 pound per hour/1500 gallons of fuel per hour plane even painted the wings~
That early rotate made a nice 727 wheelie!!
Since the elevator was in all up posision from the beginning of the roll, it must have been a test, or bet :-)
It wasn't up until he was already rolling.
John Be Bad I'd give maybe 100ft and they pulled back on the yoke.
Henrik Gormsen that is how a 727-200 takes off. It’s the way Boeing built her! 30 years working on that Great bird.
Henrik Gormsen ... I think he was building a lot of ground speed so could do that monster climb out.
He didn't really build ground speed, it looks like he rotated at a low speed
Awesome!!! thank you!!!
Love that aircraft. Also the MD80
I wonder how many of the commenters here that are criticising the pilot have actually either flown or are qualified to comment on the take off of a 727?
There are a few here, and it was in fact very poor technique.
The takeoff was NOT a normal takeoff. Period. I may not be qualified to offer an opinion on this tread but I have logged over 8,500 hours in the 727-100 and -200 with a major U.S. freight carrier and the largest passenger airline in the world.
727-200 always rotated in a very slow and methodical way to avoid a tail strike. That one was a little slow; no doubt. Could have either been very heavy or just a cautious pilot.
Tail strikes are common if too early rotate
At the rotate call the aircraft is rotated to a specific angle of attack as indicated on the HDI (horizon director indicator) which is different for all aircraft. As interest, the bottom fuselage is always parallel to the r/w surface at rotate which is a deliberate design feature which prevents unintentional tail strikes. Aircraft also have a tail strike indicator on the fuselage bottom.
727's were notorious for being an underpowered aircraft.
They used to fly wonderfully and could glide forever...
Whaaaat?!!! All the 727 pilots I have talked to said otherwise.
Bravo Bravo! Looks like how I'd fly my people around if I had a clue in the world how to fly a plane. Good vid.
Pilot knew you were filming. Let's have some fun.
Looks like the pilot intentionally had full up elevator trim from the start of the roll to get the nose wheel up as early as it would go, pilot then levelled the elevator for a natural take off - great to watch!
*"V1 ROTA..... ....never mind."*
Whats V1?
+BL-10 et HE ! -Tumbler73- Google it
***** Ok thanks
That's a pretty 727! Great airplane in my opinion. I worked on them, my first job out of high school.
Nice looking 727.
Great soft field technique! Just how they teach it.
Not an approved takeoff for a 727!