Joe Rogan & Bill Burr on Unattainable Beauty Standard Outrage

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@@TitanFind lmao

Charles Brooksbank or like a Irish ☘️ mob guy

Issac Valdivia definitely.

Polish Slav lmao

BigCenter14 He looks like Nico Bellic.

Cyka Blyat!

Lol, it's true! He looks like Nico Belic right when he got off the boat in Liberty City :)

Bill burrs behind enemy lines 😁

😂😂 this is true

So true

only thing better is a good Patrice O'Neal rant 😗

God damn i want to see what she looks like

Celebrities and models are women who wanted to use their beauty to gain celebrity. But the vast majority of beautiful people are happy to lead an ordinary life far from the limelight. You shouldn't have been surprised to see her in a small village.

I read your comment, and I thought about it.. Let me enlighten you. Model scouts, photographers, and people who "know people" travel all the time. They actively seek the most exotic women. One example is Sharbat Gula whom they found in AFGHANISTAN. She had exotic eyes and immediately became known. My point is, you will NEVER see someone THAT HOT in real life who isn't famous. There's no doubt she was beautiful, but nowhere near top models. You would see that if she stood next to them. You were probs really horny.

@@leylasaraf4953 Don't be that jealous angry bitch leyla, you're better than that. You probably have superior skills than her in other areas. . .cleaning, typing, who knows. Believe in yourself!

pics or it didn't happen.

lazy people underestimate the impact they can generate on their outer appearance. especially as a man, you can go from ugly to almost-model by attaining an athletic physique, optimize your hygiene and hair management, fix your posture and behavior and clothing yourself stylish enough that fits your type. ofc this takes a lot of time and effort. too much for lazy people.

@@instinct94 belive me the gym dose wonders

Instinct 100% agree mate. Also think applies to women. Body from baywatch, face from crime watch but you’d still bang them from behind !

That’s true, everyone can do that, all you need is be consistent with your gym, lift heavy, less cardio, more recovery time, go to bed on time and eat more clean food. Don’t please eat less food.

Come on, this also depends of genetics. If you have narrow shoulders, even working out will not make you look bigger than a guy with naturally broad shoulders.

Steroids.

I think he's probably natural, might not be, most of them aren't, but he could plausably be, his contract for superman basically told him to be naty as well.

Ondřej Tureček using steroids doesn’t mean you don’t have to work your ass off

@@ondrej1893 Swords build muscles.

Dud Summon he is with rocks trainer now i have doubts. he looks huge but not totally ripped. Maybe natural. Dunno. Him and Jason mamoa are naturally blessed with insane genetics.

And you know he'd somehow have an angry rant about drying paint too 😂

One thing I learnt in my 20s though was that stunners were better girls overall. Less attractive women had to prove to themselves that they were sexy, so would have all sorts of skeletons in their closets. Just give me a nice, attractive, healthy woman. Not only do you get all of those awesome qualities, but they're cleaner and more faithful.

a thing about being ugly tho, is that there isn't a guarantee that anyone in this world will love you. In fact, the odds are stacked against you. I'd much rather be beautiful and be in a superficial relationship, than be ugly and not get into any relationship at all

@@omnissiah7247 Um... That's not love, dude. LOL. Plus, I think you're over-valuing relationships. With relationships comes intimacy, but out goes freedom. There's a plus and a negative to everything in life. Plenty of single people out there who are MUCH more happy than married people or people in "relationships".

Choco Manger There is no such thing as true love, we are incapable of real monogamy, evidence suggests. Look at the divorce rates and women say they are never pleased by a man, while men have their own problems too. We are organisms that always strive to pick the best mate, we are programmed to cheat, not everyone does but it is almost impossible to really love someone for who they are, because we don’t think with logic, we think with emotion then justify that with logic We are animals at the end of the day, and our monkey brain drives us to pick first and foremost the physically best looking person possible, not personality. We are all shallow creatures every single one of us, there is no denying it.

@@You-xs1px Many people are capable of monogamy. Look all around the world throughout time. It is natural for humans to be sexually attracted to others, but with some strength, we can deal with it. We are programmed to be sexually attracted to others, but we can see the programming and fight to stay loyal.

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I thought you were talking about foreskin for a second

@@glauconvieira7930 lmao

Best comment ever

@@glauconvieira7930 he was he wasssss

Otimo

The number of times Rogan will say "But only women" - throughout many of his shows - is astounding.

@@katesweeney9101 Joe is kinda right though. I have never seen a man cares about beauty as much as women. men in my country make jokes about themselves if they are not beautiful and no one seems to care about it at all.

@@reducedtoatoms327 That's because women don't care as much about beauty in their partner than men. That's why men can make jokes about it, but women have to put up with it because the number one criteria men have for women is beauty.

They care. A Man just needs to get in his best shape for his body. That is assuming she is in best shape for her body.

He can turn any subject into something he’s angry about. Love it

facts

Why did you not say fucking?

He truly is funny 🤣🤣🤣

One of my favorites

Excellent point!

it’s not unrealistic if it exists. It is by definition realistic.

How is it unrealistic if you’re literally seeing it in person

@@JlimSin i think people tend to mean an unrealistic standard when they say that

@ChauvinistGodzilla fo sho

LOL!!!

Lmfao!!!

LMFAOOOOO you savage

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@@Bernz66 Lol its not that funny.. Like the cheapest dig possible due to how obvious it is.. A 6 year old could come out with that one. The OP is probably some fat bitch triggered by their common sense.. In fact that is probably true of all of ya! :D lol!

Just body wash.

Yes.

Just Soap

Your face wash now works on the rest of your head.

No need to spend extra money on haircuts, and shampoo. That's about 200-300 dollar per month saved. Now you know why bald men can offered hookers.

Its unattainable if your genes aren’t the same. 1% or less of people are truly beautiful….that is both sexes. You cant be top if you’re not genetically blessed.

@@michellesimmons3150 no, not just one percent of the population has the genes to be super hot. That's complete BS, most people who never try, complain about genes. It's only unattainable if it can't be maintained year round or steroids had to be used to achieve it. But other than that, genetics is usually an excuse. Except when talking about calves

I think the "unattainable" aspect of it, actually has to do with it being unattainable. Where it's make-up and retouching and corrections and production. I work in advertising and, at least in my world its all fake and retouched. Not attainable by any human of any sort. I don't have a feeling about it one way or another. But it's just true.

@@ericktoussaint82 my point was more the physical stature aspect. Too many people chalk up six pack abs and an otherwise muscle-y physique to being “unattainable” as an excuse to maintain their own comparatively sub-par physique

@@michellesimmons3150 And that's why they get jobs as models or actors. Nobody wants to see some fat girl on the cover of a beauty magazine. Or a romance movie where the actors are fat.

TECHSPEC 😂😂😂😂

Haha that's a perfect description

He cracks ups on him self, he mentions people mistake him as a Ron Howard, an Louie CK.

LMAO that was good

Tony hawk underground

Lmfao I just sneezed cum

Bro I dunno if this is a quote taken from the podcast or someone else but this shit is fucking hilarious.

😂😂😂

6 foot salad fork😂🤣

LOL!

not being a fat fuk is hard for women apparently

S Mac she looks kinda wierd tbh

The Ironmonkey eh most people would disagree with that but that is your opinion

Lebron James wouldn’t be in the nba if he was fat or wasn’t blessed with insane athleticism. NO...FUCKING...SHIT Do you see how retarded that sounds

Jamie Gaskins My original comment clearly states that she also had to hone her skills as an actress as well...same way LeBron even though blessed with insane athleticism had to hone his basketball skills...what the fuck are you even mad for?

BrittaniaFTW yeah I can see that, same way I’d say Scarlett Johansson is.

@oakteeth buckshart both ... at the same time

@@georgemann9126 I dont think you got my joke bud

@@Vetaul gahahahhaha

@@Vetaul is it over?

@@Vetaul i want for people see 10 years from now this image. And remember there childhood

Adrian Sullivan who?

@@Calais05 random Italian name.

WhiteKeys007 I’m so confused

@@Calais05 It's a GTA IV reference.

Alex yeah I know that, but who the fuck is Vinny?

Hey what's up Jeff

Want to go bowling!?

NPC Bill

He voiced a side character in TLAD btw.

@Jay Macazza Stole from who? I swear there's a template for commenting on a JRE vid (Use one or more of the below) 1) Make a comment about how Joe Rogan is bald. Bonus if the guest is bald too. 2) Joe "(insert nickname based on something he said)" Rogan 3) "(insert something Joe said)" - Joe Rogan, (insert date of podcast) 4) This guest looks like character in a game/movie/TV show. Bonus if it's a young-ish guest and you say if there's a prequel, said guest can be that character in a younger age.

You could've just joined body positivity movement and not waste your time smh..

@@user-ik3xt1bx2n haha ur joking right ?

@@madhavr9014 Da

@@user-ik3xt1bx2n the body positivity movement is the movement where literally there is no movement at all. And, it wasn’t a waste of time, I spin more plates looking and feeling like a Beast

@@christiancarrera4476 sarcasm

That's why everyone loves him, he speaks his mind and he's not a sellout

Chappelle

Bobby Dave Schapelle?

@@orppranator5230 Yes and after the Stick and Stones Special He just proved that Comedy is a place to go and just enjoy it and not to think just enjoy people are to sensitive now

@3,14 _ Well fucken billy red nuts is a paranoid guy so i think he can spot crazy pussy from a mile away.

Richard Beck We are fat together and it’s ok. Jk we are all going to get diabetes.

The UK does have the highest obesity rate in Europe right? Or at least top 3. Y'all gotta get Michelle Obama lmao

that is bad...

Lay down the boose you alcoholic fucks :D

@@bandedski2550 but america has the worst obesity rate in the world so 'yall gotta get michelle obama lmao' fat american fucks

I'm pretty sure that's what most people are talking about.... That and plastic surgery. Women are rarely very thin with big breasts, but the amount of women (I personally know several that have had it done) that have breast augmentation make it seem like this is the norm. Usually when you lose weight your boobs are the first to go.

That's what they are talking. That's why I didn't like this video. They just walked around the main thing

photoshop and surgery are what ppl are talking about...not the gym

@@bunny_0288 actually its the arms and legs before teh torso...but yea, boobs dont stick around

Agreed

Jane Doe and check out his wife , lol !

he got paid, uh, handsomely. You won't get a raise just looking good flipping burgers. The best you can do is learn to double flip the burger and "be all you can be" in the kitchen.

Not to mention he did it for damn near 20 years! Can you imagine if someone asked Amy Schumer to lose weight for a role once let alone for 20 years!? People would lose their minds.

He was also paid 10s of millions of dollars... ijs lol

Or Josh Brolin for Cable.

what about water in pants?

no

as a dude whose dad LOVED fly fishing. the trick is the full rubber suits that go from the souls of your feet and end as "overalls" would. I wonder if anyone actually wears overalls anymore... other than people in africa who wear what was given to them... because if we didn't give them clothes they WOULD just walk around naked. how do i know? They walked around naked UNTIL WE GAVE THEM FREE CLOTHES! Just look at a national geographic magazine pre 1980...

I take showers with my socks on.

Wet hands are 100 times worse than wet feet

Just Some Kraken With Internet Access Shit, with the paychecks they getting for those movies alongside with world class personal trainers and diet experts Id do that shit too

Sam Wheeler he’s also been fat

@Just Some Kraken With Internet Access I earn less than 15 million per year to do the same.

With a little help of steroids tho c’mon😂

He got down to 110lbs? That must be incredibly unhealthy

Yes, that's what I think of unrealistic beauty standards... that or they have extreme diets to the point it's anorexia. The past 10 years or so there's been more and more healthy beautiful fit role models for women like the Tone it Up women- Karina and Katrina... or some youtube fitness influencers like Whitney Simmons or Nikki Blacketter. Where they show working out and eating properly is beautiful and inner happiness is beautiful. That to me is an attainable healthy beauty standard.

Exactly. It's sad that joe didn't bring that up and had a biased conversation.

Amen! Don’t even wanna see it anymore lol read Dr. Leonard Sax’s book. He discusses how these standards are hurting both boys and girls (men and women).

@@millier.206 are you saying bill burrs point here isn't spot on? Like yeah, if your a 22 yr old 180lb whale of a female in college, your going to be invisible next to the girl who looks like ariana grande. Get over it. Pecking order.

@@chandanpandey1862 yeah but like he’s interviewing a comedian. So yeah

blah blah blah you were saying?

@@donaldAndresen Lol so why are you answering dumbie? 😄

Broo, this has been the norm for ages!! This has nothing to do with social media, before socials the focus was on super models and before that movie stars and actresses, go to bed

@@kavumaxnews2851 I'm from Europe, so it's actually 2pm, but thanks for recommendation. Anyways first of all, I'm not saying it hasn't been problem before social medias, but they even made it worse. You saw celebrities that look awesome, but the numbers were nowhere close, to the amount of people who influencing masses on social media. Look how much people has over 100k folowers on insta silly. It captures only particle of your life and everybody looks happy on the outside. Not talking about girls or even guys using filters, best poses, make up and stuff to look perfect, but IRL looking like s... I'm grown man so i can realize the risks and i have nothing against social medias, if you use it properly or not taking it too seriously. Not everybody is like this, that's why i wrote about this problems that affect kids and people with weak mentality. There is no other thing like the internet in history, that spreads informations so quickly, that Is true even for social medias, that's why it can affect or mislead people even much more than anything in modern history. Last thing, guess what young people use most nowdays, social medias, and these problems are much more relevant now, so saying it's not problem is just ignorant.

They are comparing themselves to Photoshop. THAT is the problem.

Redbeard!

Needs More Cowbell thanks for deconstructing the joke for me

Needs More Cowbell my bad sorry

yall who cares about the technicality

redbeard

You love his take onshit? Or love him taking a shit on you?

@@maxmeier532 🤫

It’s not revolutionary. It’s just what male boomers called “common sense” when I was growing up.

Evrett the ultimate embodiment of “I don’t give a fuck”. Honestly it sounds healthier to have his attitude because he isn’t getting stressed over shit that doesn’t matter

He mostly sounds like a stupid person

by me

@@skydivemaniac naw u can still be ugly and healthy,this is my plight 🤷

Remco and drink plenty of water

Remco thankfully I’m lucky enough that if I got healthy and used the right stuff I can look pretty good, but not all people are that lucky.

@@skydivemaniac cope, working out, eating healthy doesnt change your bone structure and eye area

Dick size: The job.

in this case your resume can get you some places without using a single word ;) in this case.

The Rookie amen

I need to work on my interview skills.

Kid: The retirement

@@Shadow-lq7rx Compare him in The Machinist to The Dark Knight.

Yeah, he totally transformed his body to star in Batman Begins, especially considering he had just done The Machinist immediately prior. That was the example that jumped to my mind when they started talking about women complaining about having to change their bodies to star in a particular role. Like, that’s part of the job. It’s inherent in being an actor that you have to maintain your body and be right for the role. It’d be like if someone being hired to be an accountant complained that they had to learn accounting to do the job. “What? You’re telling me I have to change my brain to suit YOUR impossible standards?! You should accept me the way I am!”

Basicly in acting you are freaking meant to be that. Rene Zelveger, Christian Bale and a pleathora of actors get morbid obese or anorexic skinny because they are freaking actors. It's like with Kurt Russel in the "Solider". He was out of shape and pretty aged at the moment. He asked for a year and he got to the shape he had when he was playing "Snake Plisken" in Escapes

Another notable transformation was Charlize Theron in Monster. Yes it was the other way but no doubt not easy and she had to live her life like that as well as lose it again

that's his day job.

Being from the UK I can confirm that.

@slothkingn1 just learned a new vocabulary word...thank you

How weak of a person do you have to be to have lower self esteem simply because you see a photoshopped image of someone else? And how is that anyone else’s responsibility?

@@chrisdurling9002 it starts with underlying jealousy or other problems right? I mean shit as soon as I got in this self improvement journey I feel less and less jealousy and I compare myself less and less to others.

Companies should have the right to photoshop models, right?

Six packs are mostly a result of a low body fat and good genes, which is exactly the same as the female magazine models physiques.

tap water yes but you need to work out really hard to get to that low body fat percentage. Also genes have way less impact than what you think

tap water it’s mostly an excuse for not working out

@@baguettewithcheese3880 I was blessed with good genetics when it came to abdominal muscles. It never took a lot of effort for me to get defined abs. I also know people who need an unhealthy low body fat in order to get the same look. A six-pack is simply unrealistic for a large portion of people, it's also over rated.

@@tapwater424 My basic point is that among male and female models, more work is done to attain (and maintain) by the male. Of course, this is on average, but it's still a fact. How much time in the gym do you think Tyra Banks spent before she started getting magazine covers? How many men get magazine covers that never worked out of managed their diet rigorously? How much time do you think the average male model spends in the gym before he gets a magazine cover?

He and Mike Ward are absolute geniusses.

Same, except my list is longer, and one of them is definitely Patrice O'Neal. Both him and Bill Burr have that high-pitched range that just causes you to lose it.

@@adamgm84 Dave chappel

Norm MacDonald you uncultured swine.

George Carlin definitely is one of the greats

"am i not good enough the way i am?" no. no you are not.

Alexander Butler you misogynist!

Cut the crap on this women have been starving themselves to be in movies forever ....

TheGalsenn and? No need to try to put them on a higher pedestal than men. They’re at least close in the movie industry.

@@mitigamespro8757 I dont put them on a pedestal they starve as men do that is it

Don't be hard on yourself.

yup same here. i am tall like any other swedish person but my face is like the npc meme. just google it and you will see my face right there.

Do not feed your unconscious... Honey...you will truly believe whatever you feed your mind😜

@@RobinLundqvist i feel ya bror

Teresa Germano there’s also a thing called reality

Cousin!

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"Another time"

LMFAOOOOO

Stop pointing out Billy Bitch Tits' flaws. Hahaha

No matter what happens to your hair: balding, graying, shaving, you'll always be a redhead.

He reminds me of the fella that gets melted in robocop. Pre melt obviously.

@@swiftslick Billy Buttermilk Bitch Tits

The phrase you’re looking for is “a bald ginger cunt”. :-) Have a nice day!!!!

“Hey Jamie, run a diagnostic on this tissue sample”

yes, you just won the fucking internet.

Make it happen!!

Great thinking, we need more Cop Buddy movies!

They aren't. Literally everything they say to media is planned. Losing weight is the LEAST of their actual problems. Media targeted at women abuse these notions to keep spiking their audience's amygdalas and keep them interested/panicked.

Dr.'sorders you’re a little bitch lmao walk a day in a woman’s shoes, most of you pussies wouldn’t even survive lol especially in show business dumb fuck

Because actresses are usually already at the lowest weight they should be. Cameras really do make you look heavier than you are, so to appear super trim, you usually have to stay a little underweight. And when your at your lowest weight, losing 15 lbs is not easy. Plus It’s psychologically tough to be constantly malnourished and stressed. That’s why actresses usually drink so much green juice because they have to get in nutrition with little macros.

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Most modern humans lack gratitude and are very pampered, men and women. On top of the fact that we live in a gynocentric society heightening narcissism and solipsism amongst women with a deeply materialist mindset so women not only expect to get everything that they want but also are easily bitter, jealous and lazy. They don't want to work and that laziness is so present within their psyche that being required to work in any way seems genuinely offensive, even if they're just asked to shed a few pounds.

Photoshop

look at his beard

@@secretjazz93 I know, mate. I'm joking. Bill Burr is awesome. He looks like a happier version of Vincent Can Gogh.

Carpet carpet

ordinaryweirdo That’s the greatest analogy used to describe someone I’ve ever heard

He was born with red hair, baldness can only be an improvement on that lol

I'm 6'3 too. That would be wierd

Yes we tall over here but don't over exaggerate 🤷🏾‍♀️

Damn I would feel sooo awkward cuz I'm a 5'2 guy hahaha 😂😂

"giraffes" 😂😂🤣💀😂

Considering the average height of men in the netherlands is aprox 6ft 1 and im actually 6 ft 3 (like you claim to be) and have been to the netherlands and was still noticably taller than most people there. I suspect youve either never been there or you are no where near as tall as you think you are.

Eugenia Geneva he said he went mad losing that weight but still good point he’s dedicated

@@ryandavey5460 yeah... I saw that. Of course it sucks... but it's the part. Nobody, should be mean to anyone else... but if the job calls for it. That is different. I think...

@@ryandavey5460 to be exact... he said it "messed with him psychologically" we don't know what aspect of the transformation that effected him.

RIIIGHT??? I finally found the comment I’ve been looking for lol

Yeah but he had to lose 52 pounds. That’s a small child....

As a dane i felt exactly the same way! :D

everyone in scandinavia apperantly sound like the swedish chef. I can live with that tho

Finns are the only Nordic weirdo outcasts that look the same as the rest but who no-one understands. Perkele. A spot on impersonation, can't argue with that.

I bet your all 10/10! I'm 5"7, 5'9 ON A GOOD DAY! I'M PURPOSELY AVOIDING THAT REGION OF THE WORLD!

@@everythingandanything3045 you should go and find you a 6' hot Swedish chick

Who cares..if someone is photoshop ped to look like they glisten on a magazine or an advertisement why are you offended by that shit..? It's just like art ..maybe easier ..but it's still just photography and no one is asking you to be like that..if you can appreciate how good that person looks in that photo..do it..or else stop comparing yourself to that shit..it's just plain stupid to do so..it's plain jealousy from that point on..why does tis bitch get to look like that when she isn't that good looking in real life... Is what it sounds like..it's photography..there's tons of manipulation..lights etc even without photoshop..

@@krishnaraju6790 You can use a period sometimes. Not everything calls for an ellipsis.

@@edmikos6129 i could..!

​@@krishnaraju6790 I never said i was offended by it? Im just saying its not real.

I'm talking about that narrative in general . We keep saying that...photoshopped..not real stuff .. i wasn't personally saying it you either..think about it..they're just photographs..

His beauty is pretty attainable. If I shaved my head I'd look like Bill. Inner beauty is bullshit.

Max Hyde I don’t think you got the point of his comment

@@NN-sp9tu I get what people mean by inner beauty, it's just bullshit.

I’d do him

Its not "honest", its his shallow opinion. Hes more of a whiner than the people he bashes for whining

INCEPTION

@@aeggeska1 go fuck yourself

@@aeggeska1 The problem with this "logic" is there is example in the past how these "normal" people handled Nazis when they bumped up.... just don't care or argue against the shit when arise... oh, shit!

If you think Bill burr gives a single fuck, you havent seen the Philadelphia incident

@@aeggeska1 One thing is to complain about something in a conversation or interview, quite another is trying to create a movement out of a complaint. And, btw, go fuck yourself

Except when pro athletes do doping they are banned. When models get photoshoped it just gets printed. Besides, sports celebrates "the best", when I watch a downhill skiing competition the commentator doesn't remind me that I too should strive to ride at 100mph. OTOH, a glossy magazine will absolutely try to convince me that this photoshoped, anorexic model is how I'm supposed to look as well.

@@ten_tego_teges and beauty celebrates the most beautiful. What’s ur point

@@TobaAdesanya No it doesn't it's trying to sell you sth by convincing you that "you too could be beautiful with XYZ". That inherently implies you're missing sth.

@@ten_tego_teges just because you’re not as good as someone doesn’t mean ur missing something

​@@TobaAdesanya I get that, but its been proven time and time again that many (particularly teenage girls) develop severe self-esteem problems from being bombarded by these messages in the media and advertising. Prevalence of eating disorders has been on the rise for the past 30 years in most countries.

Right, but they're attainable only if your 40+hr/wk job is to look good or you hit the genetic lottery. Like, flying is attainable--by birds, insects, and aircraft. So good luck with your side of the argument

@@kilgoretrout321 you'd have a point for people with very specific limiting lifestyles but a couple of things: 1) 40 hour work weeks aren't that much work or limiting. It depends on the hours and how you use them but overall 40 hours isn't very much. You could literally dedicate another 40 hours to another goal while working 40 hours at your main job and still have time for basic family tasks assuming the family is mentally healthy and supportive of each other. It's even easier alone and there's plenty of time to feed yourself. If it's a fitness goal some of the 40 hours would be dedicated to cooking because 40 hours a week of weights might actually kill you. Though things like biking and swimming could be sustained for a full time job it's still too much with diminishing returns, but considering that scheduling a lethal amount of excercise is technically possible within the parameters a much more sustainable amount shouldn't be too hard. 2) are we thinking about the same "unattainable" body. This is a big one because some features are a matter of genetics while the basic stats like height to weight ratio and leanness are just diet based. Are we thinking about the same degree of these stats? And are we talking about legitimately having this extreme level or faking it well enough for a magazine cover? Is it maintained long term or a fitness appearence goal acheived for a short while then abandoned in favor of health? 3) what starting point are we considering. At some point outside intervention and aid becomes a must. Nobody is saying you have to do it alone and some people can't get it alone. But i think every man of my height with all his limbs can be 175 and 10% bodyfat no matter the circumstances within 5 years and i don't think this requires anything too insane. I'm not there but i haven't spent the last 5 years trying. I choose this stat because i saw a magazine cover with a dude this size on it. He looked good in the picture but that was probably just him peaking for that day.

@@kilgoretrout321 the limiting lifestyles i refer to are disability not children. Don't blame your kids. Their desires are your desires. Bring them along with your fitness goal. It's just play to them.

@@kilgoretrout321: Your argument about the "genetic lottery" applies equally to really ugly people. They exist.