Battlefield Hardline developers Visceral Games actually pitched a Battlefield-esque game set in 1920s Chicago during the Prohibition. Chicago, as it was called, would have pit gangsters against each other for control of the streets in infantry-only combat and limited vehicles. Would you play it?
Chapters:
0:01 Intro
0:22 AI Concept Art
0:37 A Battlefield Dev Speaks
0:55 More Details From An Anonymous Dev
1:15 Battlefield Prohibition?
1:39 The Pitch Begins
2:05 Chicago's Game Modes
2:32 Gameplay Style
2:51 Focus on Weapon Customization
3:22 Engine and Destruction
3:48 No Singleplayer
4:17 The Reason It Didn't Work
4:54 Conclusion
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Now that you mention it A Chicago DLC would have been pretty cool in BF1 considering how it takes place right after WW1, moreover a DLC for other post WW1 conflicts like the Mexican & Irish Civil Wars in BF1 would also be pretty cool. Honestly even in 2022 I would still prefer more content added to BF1 over the new titles.
I remember playing Mafia 2 and thinking this is cool, but it would be cooler in multiplayer with destruction.
It would've fit too because we got the Russian Civil War DLC which is set in 1919-1920's right after WWI so a Chicago DLC wouldn't have been too far out there. Hell maybe they could have thrown in other civil wars/revolutions that happened after or during WWI like the Mexican Revolution and such. There's so much they could have done with Battlefield 1 still, it honestly deserved more content and DLC's. It was one of the last if not the last truly good Battlefield game in the franchise.
@@VoltSh0ck plenty of material to operate with too According to wikipedia between 1914-1918 over 100 wars took place, many spilling over past 1918 and into the 1920's.
Russian Civil War expansion part 2; Soviet-Polish War
Polish-Bolshevik War
Sucked how underrated hardline was, was a solid game
Played for hours... it was fun game and still is! some servers are still active!
@@TigerTank237 damn might need to run it up again sometime
@@Texasmule to each their own. I hated BFH but loved the others other than 2042
@@mikeberry5016 I think bf1 had a extremely good cinematic game, not to mention a good amount of details if you really wanted to look for it. Bfv historically wasn’t the best, nor did I enjoy the heavy micro transaction phase EA was going through, but aside from that it generally was a fun game especially with the pacific dlc that sadly left the game with people wanting more after it released. Bf 2042 was just generally bad, lack of content and bugs, the game also felt like it was way more optimized to be on next gen in order to have fun; the game graphically somehow looks worse than bf3 half the time, almost looking like a bad company game.
@@mikeberry5016 Honestly I enjoyed the small campaign of bf1, little glimpses of some of the countries that took part of Ww1 was kinda cool, and that they all let you test out the weapons and vehicles that you’ll see when you play multiplayer is nice touch too. Though mixed opinions on the destruction, while it isn’t anything in comparison to bf4 I still thought it was pretty good, but yeah they do digress the more you play each battlefield title. I agree with what you say though, sucks that companies just let the consumers play an unfinished game that’s pretty much a beta; and with time they try and patch in the game that’s already in a dead state.
I always wanted a Battlefield Interwar game, that takes place in all the major conflicts. For example: Polish-Soviet War, Rif War, Chaco War, Second Italo-Ethiopian War, Spanish Civil War, Second Sino-Japanese War and so on. Having a Mafia DLC that takes place in the 1920's would have been an awesome addition.
I always get the vibe that BF1 was originally conceptualized as an alternate history Polish-Soviet war, where it draws in the League of Nations and the US. Like a WW1 NATO. I think they wanted to make a scenario parallel to our current events, but reskinned in the 1920s. For that matter, I also believe BFV started pre-production as a Cold War/Operation Unthinkable 1950s/1960s game. In the end, EA didn't give them the creative freedom to play around with alternate scenarios.
Sino-Japanese War leading back into the Chinese Civil War
Honestly, the Spanish Civil War, Polish-Soviet War, and Second Sino-Japanese Wars have enough content to be their own games
@@pissyourselfandshitncoom2172F1 was meant to be WW1 from the start i can fully believe, however, that BFV started as an early cold war game
Problem is nobody really cares about these conflicts, at least not in the numbers that it would be a great catch for the masses it would need to reach in order to be profitable
EA: Let’s not release 2 historical games in a row Also EA: Releases Battlefield 5
Damn I'd play the shit out of this game if it were made
You lot keep saying shit like this and wonder why we never get a good fucking battlefield game Because muppets like you want to play level 100 mob boss in a battlefield game get a grip Battlefield is for large scale conflict, even hardline missed the mark
@@rambo-cambo3581bruh this dude can’t be fr
@@rambo-cambo3581 it would be a separate IP.
I never played Hardline as I wasn't actively into the Battlefield franchise back then but the concept of criminals vs law enforcement is something Battlefield should revisit. Just today I thought about a Battlefield game set in South America with cartels, police and military but this is something I never even remotely considered. Very intriguing though.
Given you weren't around at the time, I'll let you know that when it launched, it was vehemently hated specifically because it abandoned the military setting in exchange for the "cops vs robbers" crap - there's no way to fit like 60% of the combined arms combat that makes BF "Battlefield" in a "civilians vs cops" setting because there's no way for the police or cartels to use MBTs, attack choppers, or fighter jets without massively suspending disbelief.
@@Madara8989 This is why hardline should have been its own game instead of a battlefield game or at least make it really, really obvious that it is not your normal battlefield game. They could do carters vs police and such but it needs to be its own IP.
@@Madara8989 is that so? I think cartel vs cops/special forces could be truly a thing, especially if you look at games like wildlands. But the whole system would need extreme adjustments, that is why hardline failed so hard - it was basically a reskin, not a true gameplay evolution that was catering to cops and bandits.
@@R-SXX Battlefield fans want straight up military combat. Hence the poor reception of hardline and the specialists of bf2042. (Tho i had a ton of fun on hardline & 2042 personally)
@@R-SXX It's not a problem of the concept of a "Cops vs Robbers FPS," it's the fact that doesn't thematically fit the rest of the BF franchise and, like Finnishmanni said, would have been better off as it's own thing. It should have definitely been called "Hardline" by itself. The other half of the issue Hardline had was it's CoD-like mindset to map design and DLC weapon distribution; it didn't feel like it deserved the BF title and isn't the kind of thing the older BF community is interested in.
Sounds great, 20s and 30s in America would be amazing setting for a cops vs robbers game. I was thinking about Hardline 2 and apart from prohibition era, another interesting setting could be early 80s Miami/Florida during the cocaine cowboys era.
Imagine all the retro neon vibes in Frostbite 4 raytracing
I second a battlefield Vice City. Would be very interesting
Meh. I prefer the modern era for FPS games. Mainly because of the weapons.
@@FEWGEE1 Same here because I'm not using a k98k for infantry use. I'd rather run and gun with an an-94 or a g18. But with an 80's style battlefield game instead of m4s we would get car 15s or m16s.
honestly 1920s cops vs robbers is pretty close to actual war. interesting side note about the 1920s in the late 1920s the german police used armoured cars fitted with mashine guns against communist riots in berlin. so yeah... great period for a battlefield cobs vs robbers.
Or maybe crime family vs another
Germany in that era was very lawless which is part of why people were so ready to lick the Nazi's boots. A lot of Germans wanted a stable country and they didn't care about what the Nazis were doing to make it happen
Germany always did a good job of fighting the good fight, until the EU, of course.
“german police using armored cars” is an interesting way of sanitizing the fucking freikorps lol
@@og_hapsburg7189 I don't think many know what that word even entails, much less the full historical context.
The lack of possibility for a tryhard to go 120-0 in a helicopter definitely disqualifies this from being called Battlefield.🤣
They are the absolute worst kind of people
@@sgtbeercanyt it’s a joke
@@4TheWinQuinn Yup.
Or crouch spamming with an aek or G18
@@Glockodile_Dun-D Oh those guns, yeah.... In BFV it's the Type 2A, sadly I can't insult them with the damn chat filter.
These guys and girls who made Hardline deserved to continue making games around Battlefield. EA should have always had two companies making decent FPS. It’s always good to have more variety. They are a good bunch of devs too. They often replied to me and many other fans on twitter. Felt bad they got shut down. Damn you EA.
They close down Visceral Games after one lukewarm received game. Meanwhile Ghost Games churned out 4 horrid trash heaps before they got...demoted to support studio. They're still here, after 4 piles of dog💩 games Guess someone in Ghost is a close friend, maybe even family member of the CEO or something
@@weirdeurasianboy8091 Ghosts last game was a good game but EA closed them for good .
I could see a line up of a wide variety of US cities across Prohibition that could be a basis for maps in a game like that. Considering how much the Art Deco style is loved by gamers, that's yet another factor that could gin up interest. Considering the last game DICE made that was a true success from start to finish was BF1 and it continues to be one of their best games to date, as well as people reflecting on how underrated the gameplay of hardline is all these years later, I think it would find quite the success. A campaign would do them some good too, have you seen LA Noir? Imagine that but with more gunplay and throw in an alt history fight on the Hindenburg that echo's the ending to friends in high places and you've got yourself quite the game
i just noticed this. the thompson m1a1 with a drum is impossible. the 1921 and 1928 models did accept a drum, but not the m1a1
Maybe the concept was that _"Chicago: Prohibition"_ would be BF1's Hardline. Thus BF4 > Hardline > BF1 > Chicago You know, some part of me thinks the 2042 universe could evolve into a modern version of this theme. Perhaps the civilization collapse + devastating invasions by RU/CN could make a sort of _Homefront: The Revolution_ type scenario. Instead of cops versus robbers, you'd have occupation forces vs rebel militias. Draws a lot of inspiration from real life.
That would absolutely be a great Battlefield game.
I would play it and I would love it. I was one of the few people who liked Hardline even when it came out, and BF1 remains one of my favorite games in the series. Seeing a historical Hardline-style shooter would have been very interesting. I was thinking the same thing when you said that the old guns added to Hardline could have been a teaser for "Chicago" instead of BF1. The Model 1887 wasn't in BF1, but it somehow makes more sense as a gangster gun than a soldier's weapon. I don't know how you'd explain the M1A1 Carbine being in a Prohibition-era game, however...
All Im thinking is Mafia as an fps and Im sucker for historical settings in games so YES i would be down for something like this
You didnt know about the pitch? woah, didn't know about some of the gameplay things tho Also hardline is GLORIOUS
weren't there some other pitches recently revealed too? like a cold war one? do you know what the others were? cant find the original tweets
@@ReporterRed That was before 2042 went into production
"gameplay things" make a video on this Danny :D
that would have been dope
Negative.
If it was built off bf1 that would have been sick, that game felt so good. Loved the hardline maps
I know a lot of people hate BFH but it will always be one of the most unique and fun FPS games I've ever played. The battlefield base, along with setting, and developer that had no idea how to balance created one of the most fun and unforgettable games I've ever played and that we'll never see again. It is for the best that most games today are well balanced but hardline was so damn unique and special in a way we won't see.
This could've been the tie breaker honestly, after games like Mafia and L.A Noire I'm absolutely loving the Gangs and Mafias in Combat
A Hardline sequel or spiritual successor sounds deeply intriguing. It deserves consideration, surely.
Maybe this might be "The New Deal" (by Frankline D. Roosevelt) for Battlefield which it might get the series back on its feet, with Battlefield 1's Godly graphics and Battlefield V's gunplay maybe there could be a future for Battlefield
BF could redeem itself by going to Prohibition Era Chicago or across the US and explore the "public enemies" era of American history where gangsters and lawmen fought everywhere. They could take a hint from BF1 and make immersion and gameplay the center of the experience.
I could imagine a conquest style game mode where the objectives are not flags, but breweries and stills hidden throughout the city or even a few countryside maps. The objective is to capture and run the stills for as long as possible, while holding back the rival gangsters. This will earn your team money (in place of tickets). Team with the most cash wins. Or perhaps the stills generate a barrel of whiskey or beer worth a large amount of points at regular intervals once captured and operating. These barrels must be transported back to the hideout to earn points. I could even imagine a small scale squad VIP mode where a certain member of the squad is designated as the target. His team must protect him for the match against the enemy team, acting as a hit squad. Essentially it would function like the Escort game mode from Onward VR.
In an another Universe Battlefield Steam/ Diesel Punk 1842 exists and it's awesome ...
That sounds wack
i really hope they revisit this or make it a gamemode in a later game
Takes me 10-15 seconds to think about it... Oh wow, that's cool! Yeah considering how much I played TDM during BF3 and now sometimes make servers without some vehicles like tanks (as much as I love them), this seems like a perfect stroke of variety. Gotta switch things up now and then.
Hardline was definitely a fun game. Playing it was such fun and the new modes like hotwire and blood money were a blast. Only issue was the battle rifle+shield meta that sweats would constantly use. Moving onto Chicago, I would've definitely been enthused to see it follow after BF1, which makes sense in following a timeline. Having watched Boardwalk Empire, I would like to see how the battles in the game would play out with weapons of that era. It feels like we kinda missed a spot to hit there especially since games set in the 20's are few and far between.
I was a big fan of Dice when Mirrors Edge came out. When Battlefield 3 came out, I couldn't stop playing the beta. I bought Battlefield 4 Premium over 4 times. When Battlefield Hardline came out, I hated it until they added way more guns and the gun customization in 2017. Which was the most advanced customization I've seen until Escape from Tarkov. But even then it's still more advanced because of the color customization. And it has gun features still absent in Call of Duty. Like adjusting the range of the reticle on red dots and all scopes, as seen in Escape From Tarkov. Allot of people missed it, but Battlefield Hardline in 2017 was ahead of every single fps game short of a few pc exclusives. Even when COD Warzone came out, it didnt provide anywhere near the same amount of features Hardline had. I remember allot of people complained about Battlefield 4 release, but came around when it got corrected and expanded. Hardline didnt get the same attention, despite it did the same. But no matter how much I like Hardline, it was a no brainer; Hardline was a harbinger of things to come. Battlefield 4 brought what almost no other fps brought, destructibility and levolution. You would think that with those two major concepts in their pocket (and the plethora of armament that is surpassed by no other game to this day), Battlefield would leave everyone in the dust for decades. Because to this day, neither Escape From Tarkov, Arma or Call of Duty has been able to pass that benchmark. Arma and Escape From Tarkov has way more patient consumers than Call of Duty and they can't pump out as much content Battlefield 4 and Hardline with all the time in the world. Arma's only saving grace being open to fanbased modding. Which can make any game immortal. I would like to see some serious investigative journalism into what went wrong there. Because Dice had it in the bag, it was on auto-touchdown. And Vicereal had the same magic because they ran the same playbook. Yeah, they fumbled at first, but they took a very important part of Battlefield to the next level.
Honestly a Prohibition-era Battlefield would go hard. I was a big fan of Hardline, and one of my favorite weapons in that game was the M1A1 Thompson.
When I am feeling like firing up an old Battlefield for multiplayer fun, I often play Hardline. Still a group of guys that have a private server rented to play Downtown map over and over. Still fun 7 years later.
I can't imagine a lot of variety in a prohibition Battlefield game. Especially after Hardline. Unless the improved gunplay is the selling point.
Considering battlefields recent period/historical games like bf1 being a huge hit I think fans would love a bf hardline-esque period piece
Only downside I can anticipate for this idea is I would autonomously say “Nyeah, see?” after every kill. Worth it, I’d say.
I love the concept but really glad it didn't come on hardline's engine. I didn't hate hardline but it very much felt like something was missing from the engine, details not where they should be and i remember during launch having some issues with it. I think something like this in a more modern engine could be very cool where we can have the detail and the destruction. I would really love them to make you play with earlier ww1 weapons early on and them slowly moving into prohibition and then world war 2 weapons as end game pieces.
Great video, I miss Hardline so much, was such a fun time 🥲
1920s Battlefield would have tickled me entirely. I love historical shooters, and the prohibition era was ripe with legends and myths surrounding the gangs, moonshiners, mob, and police themselves. I believe they could have made something magical with the idea. Especially with a gamemode surrounding the destruction of casks and barrels of liquor. Or even a "Hot pursuit" game mode where the objective is to have moonshine runners being attacked by police while trying to deliver their cargo to a set location on the opposite end of the map. obviously you would have to make maps specific to this gameplay, being in heavily under developed roads, and backwoods where the cars wouldn't drive as fast as possible to keep themselves from wrecking destroying their car and cargo. Even maybe a game mode specifically in a "Kill the King" type mode where a team of mobsters have to stay alive and defend their Mob boss for a set timeframe where the round will end if he is killed or survives. The whole idea of it running on the Hardline engine is an interesting concept given you can sit in the windows and shoot from your car, much like the real mob counterparts in the 20s. All in all I think Battlefield made a big mistake not furthering or developing the idea beyond the initial pitch.
Gangsterfield 1922 *battlefield theme intensifies*
A genuine battlefield game will have all types of vehicles like transport, tanks, boats, ships, planes, choppers and a ton of destruction. Soldier to soldier fighting, with death destruction tense moments and a ton of good maps
Hardline is the best battlefield game after BF3 and BC2. It also had the best vehicle-infantry balance as well. Nothing was too OP or annoying to play against. Gunplay was solid and the maps were some of the best maps designed with a focus on infantry gameplay. No annoying Paracel Storm or Lancang Dam bullshit like in BF4.
We can still get the game if this idea can get out there, I love the mafia series and that as a multiplayer fps would be mental
They could easily throw in the Virginia Coal Wars which led to the NFA act of 34. Mountainous terrains where even machine guns were used by both sides. Would be awesome
I love the idea of a mafia gangster battlefield. Not just with cops vs mops, but maybe rival gang fights as well. Conquest could’ve be like a gang war thing, while still having blood money and other modes
very cool, very nice, i like the concept. i want it
Battlefield 2022 Chicago; Lightfoot Edition ~Real time gun play ~destructible environment ~3D ambulance surround sound ~fast catch and release ~visit the upper south side ~upcoming Casino DLC!
Real time gun play?
A battlefield game covering the wars in the early and late 1800s would be super interesting.
I love Hardline and honestly I would have really liked to see a Battlefield that was from the 20s, but what I would love to see most is a Battlefield western set in 1858 or those years.
Hardline was a good concept with execution issues particularly in the story department. Having them work on their own IP would have been the way to go giving the team more creative slack. I agree that the lack of a story would be a huge missed opportunity.
That would actually be kind of sick, a hardline esque game with a story set in modern Mexico would be kind of cool as well. Fighting the cartels with the Mexican military and DEA would lead to some absolute madness. The troubles would be another interesting one albeit a very touchy subject for many, it would have to be handled in collaboration with historians and people very knowledgeable on the subject. That whole period of history is basically untouched by the gaming industry. But carrying out raids on the IRA and UVF in rural Ireland would be one hell of a unique experience.
I would love this, need this to happen asap please
Really wish i can go back play hardline again i remembered play hardline with my lil bro ps3
That would be the coolest game. Especially with all the ideas proposed for it, it could make for a fantastic FPS game.
Mane Battlefield Hardline was majorly misunderstood, sure if abandoned the Military Vehicles, Weapons, and even Aircraft...... however because of this I felt like everything that was included was super polished. I hardly had issues running this game, never had any problems with the weapons, hit markers, destruction and gameplay. Although the vehicles where a bit dingy at times, especially driving the swat cars or the fast sport cars, that was it though! The helicopters seemed very polished and so did the armored vehicles. I still say Hardline was fantastic and was an amazing demonstration of Dice's potential on polishing their gameplay and content. I still stand by Battlefield Hardline. BF4 is cool.
The hardline counterpart to Battliegield 1. Amazing.
Would loved to play that game
Given the time period, the concept sounds like Battlefield Hardline mixed with Battlefield 1, which is something I would at least want to try out. Also making the concept a separate IP would be a smart move to avoid given how Hardline went.
love that Chicago Typewriter gun.
Mafiafield 1924 🤣
We need a BF Hardline prequel, so I voted yes.
That would be awesome
I want to go back to Vietnam.. and I’d love to see someone make a game about the Korean War
Korean war is too boring
@@jmgonzales7701 tell that to the guys who fought in it lmao Korean War is actually a fascinating and brutal conflict with a lot of interesting tech that's never been seen in BF before. I actually think it's probably where they're gonna go for the next game, it's literally never been done in a videogame and they saw with BF1 that the public doesn't have to know a lot about the setting for the game to be successful
@@jmgonzales7701 That's what they said about World War 1
Always loved hardline. Shame people hated it because q few big creators did
Imagine the soundtrack for a prohibition game though. Mowing down peeps with a tommy to swing jazz and ragtime.
Hardline is the 3rd best game in the series, 1920s prohibition would've been a good follow up to Hardline ngl
Hardline was a very good game dust bowl and mansion great maps.
Zac and I talked about that years ago.
Even if Hardline would have not had the word Battlefield in front of it’s title, it still would have been slammed as being a cops and robbers reskin. The more vocal part of the franchise doomed a game that was actually good and had many fun and innovative things in it.
I absolutely loved Hardline. A Prohibition Battlefield esque game would've been right up my alley and better than the disaster that is 2042.
I would definitely be interested in this, regardless of if it had the Battlefield name attached. Hardline was a good spinoff of BF, spin-offs (from both a business and creative perspective) exist for the purpose of experimentation & risk management, after all bad company was a spin-off and it is pushed BF into a more arcade shooter direction. people dislike hard-line for being a spin-off that does exactly what a spin-off should do, not really much of a surprise, the greater surprise should (emphasis on should) be EA's incompetence (at not realising the point of a spin-off), but it really isn't.
Rockstar needs to make a series during prohibition next it’d be a nice in between read dead and gta.
That would be rad! I would definitely buy it
That actually sounds amazing
Actually it would be so great if a BF Hardline type Battlefield would launch every year. You could literally make a different setting from all kind of different eras every time
BF HARDLINE concept reminded me of ps2 swat: global strike... Awe fun times XD
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That could be awesome !
We need a full BF Vietnam game
Whenever i think of the Prohibition era, i usually think of the moonshine runners and how it shaped American car racing. But i do think a post WW1 gangland setting would be a pretty cool idea for a crime shooter.
I think I would play that, there is a single player game based on the 1920s Chicago, I think it’s called mafia, or something like that, check out the channel of nano, and if you look enough it should have it. He made a video on it.
Hope it's not too late for Chicago Honestly would play it
EA made The Godfather official game in 2006 and I loved it
Would love a game like that
i had a idea for a hardline 2 game it would be set both in LA in 1990's and in the present day the first half of the game would be played as a LAPD swat officer combating a manson type cult causing havok in the city and the second half would be played as his adult children in the present his son a LAPD swat officer like his dad and a his daughter a FBI agent specialising in cult activity and both pulled into a resurgence of the cult their dad put away in his hay day but it would have a serious dark tone to it all think Max payne/Se7en/The Batman
Visceral reuniting and redeeming the Battlefield franchise is something I'd simp for
I'd want that.
Nope
@@Hiraeth-0X too bad. I want it too
@@derekonxbox I'd love a prohibition-era battlefield game. major cities becoming warzones, with several mob groups clashing for control, gun-battles in the streets, using hit and run tactics.
THAT SOUNDS COOL
I like how instead of other wars, EA for a while was really into Battlefield being about cops and robbers
My best friend and I were fucking addicted to hardline as teenagers
Battlefield Hardline was underrated in my opinion. I still have fun playing it
The prohibition era and Victorian era are my favorite time periods and game locations
Eh, Victoria kinda over it. You wear all posh but fight with single-action revolver. We already got Hunt: Showdown for that.
@@izzfitri6888 well I said my favorite for a reason
It would of been an interesting game if done right, just as Hardline was kinda fun to play. Like with Hardline though, I think shoving it under the Battlefield IP name would of been a mistake, it needs to stand as its own thing
Y'all know the most overpowered gun would've been a variant of the Tommy Gun; named The Chicago Typewriter, that would've taken an absurd amount of grinding to unlock.
Hmmm reminds me of the route they did for Hardline
This got me thinking about a civil war battlefield game
Hardline was so much fun and felt very crisp, idk how to explain it much more than that lol
I want an LA Noir sequel in Chicago, thatd be dope
I liked Hardline a lot. A remaster AND a prohibition 20s variant would be great!!!🎉
Hardline came out in 2015 why the hell would we need a remaster. Maybe in another 10 years.
i would love to play mafia battlefield you play as al capone or any 1920s famous gangsters in a multiplayer but hardline felt like fast furious 1 and 2 didnt feel like mafia game
atleast theres a game that include 20's prohibition event. that is "guns, gore, and cannoli"
Campaign characters, who have been lucky to survive WWI and had just returned home: here we go again...