Can Colleges Continue To Thrive Without International Students?
International students make up a large population of U.S. universities and colleges and amid the coronavirus pandemic, they became a target of the Trump administration. Here’s a look at the relationship between international students and U.S higher education and what it means for the U.S. economy.
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How International Students Became A White House Target During The Coronavirus Pandemic
lol so basically Americans want their money but don't want them to stay
exactly 😂
Plus they charge international students sooo much more
@@xaifer2485 this is buisness.
In a nutshell...
Yup
Universities had it coming. For their ridiculously high tuition fees
their^
Rajan Agarwal He spelled it right dumb dumb no need to correct
You put it excellently.
Tuition fees would be lower if we put an end to student loans. If schools know you can get a loan, then they can continue to increase prices as much as they want. Someone will always be there to pay it.
@@nathaniel1069 he probably edited after that person commented the correct "their" 😑
"Insurance that pays out when Chinese students stop coming" This is by far the most American thing that I should have expected but didn't
LMAO these insurers want free money but they didn't see a pandemic coming eating their wallets.
@@destroyer-tz2mk Yup, just like when massive wildfires happen and take out more than just a handful of rural homes, or insert any disaster in there, and insurance companies start scrambling to find clauses that give them out "act of god clause? good!" "caused by someone else we can know and can sue? EXCELLENT!"
@@destroyer-tz2mk It's not that the U of I knew that an imminent pandemic would crush the influx of Chinese students, but instead gambled that the Chinese trade wars and anti-immigration policies that had been accelerating since Trump took office were going to have a huge effect. So the U of I was prescient, but not enough, since as they didn't anticipate Covid-19, they didn't take out insurance policies for Indian students also (the next largest group of international students) or international students in general, so they're not going to come out unscathed...
@@OlJackBurton Must have said it may be one of the best trades ever if the number actually hits -18%
Not sure if the insurance company will pay for the loss of revenue due to pandemic. There may be a virus exclusion in the insurance policy.
I was an international student during my undergraduate... about ready to go back home to Korea as I was waitlisted to graduate school... then, last week they got back to me saying they needed my money. I mean, I got accepted
Hmmm so you're saying that maybe I have a better shot at getting into a prestigious university... 🤔
@@TK-qh4gr only if you have money do you have a shot
Why not go back to Korea
@@madibacitizen2430 Apparently Korean graduates have a difficult time landing jobs right out of school because of a graduate glut. It's a first world problem but much more pronounced in Korea. This is why the SKY universities are in such high demand because success rate is much higher after graduating from them.
@@sunlightdavid This problem is everywhere, I think the Korean media reports this socio-economic problem more regularly. Here in Canada, my office accounting clerk has a master's degree in Civil Engineering!! She can't get a job related to her field and she is way overqualified for the current job.
Pay them thrice the tuition fees, basically paying tuition for many native students. Work for them at lower wages than American counterparts. Boost their economy, create jobs directly and indirectly. Then they tell you to pack up and leave.... Edit: A lot of you are saying we do not pay taxes. Actually, we do, the moment we step in the US we start paying taxes but that should not mean that tuition cost need to be high for International students. In fact, out-of-state American Students almost pay the same as International Students regardless of who pays what taxes. Its the education system that needs to change to allow education as a human right, see our EU counterparts
Yup and they complain when you go home and start doing what you did in the US. You made the prototype in the US, you can make a better version at home.
They will regret later people should try to turn to other countries such as Canada When international students give usa high priority then it's obvious USA will try to take advantage
AsianBl Fan Canada is already starting to offer residence status for postgraduates...
Yup but it’s fair. America and Americans FIRST.
@@areascoda2912 But that is how the US maintains its bleeding technological edge while putting very little into its own education system.. The world wants fair too, so no nation will raise any objection, if the US wants to limit its intake foreign students. Every nation wants fair, and the US has been taking advantage of global brain drain since WW2 , and that has been far too long.
U have to add to this that Canada gives their international students a residence permit after their Opt
Yeah but unfortunately the US has far more technical job opportunities then Canada. That is why so many international students come to the US in the first place
@@1234debp I think it's also cultural reasons . Many parents from China and India see us as their only good option
@@sakethravuri3023 I absolutely agree, I think culture plays a huge part. Unfortunately culture is one of the hardest things to change and can't simply be changed be enacting different policies...
@@sakethravuri3023 My parent is one of them. They only trust education in US.
Canada does not have a lot of top universities though
Why pay so much money to get treated like trash lol
Be quiet !!!!
You talk too much ughhh annoying
And thats why I study in Russia.
@@r3dpowel796 which one??
To pay off the bankrupt debts 2020 lols
As a international student I see the US as a terrible option, that is why I chose to study in Germany .
Same
If I'm struggling with students loans and tuition, now imagine an international student. #Respect
Germany was an option for me But in the end I chose Canada
i chose south korea
Foreign students should consider all their options and not fall for the American hype. It's really not worth it anymore the country has become extremely xenophobic and racist you will feel this the moment you set foot in the country. At 40-60k a yr you deserve better treatment and should demand for it
Maybe this will force them to lower the tuition to more realistic cost.
Doubt it
So less people paying for it mean lower tuition cost ? You never attend economics class pass "supply and demand" did you...
There are appartment complexes at 40 - 60% capacity that still want $2000 a month for a 1 bed room appartment. People just don't get it.
@@lexluthor4156 But, that is also why the of 'supply and demand' concept is the most prominent in this case. A business (and universities in the US ARE businesses) will lower prices to appear more attractive than their competitors. The supply will be high for those university slots once the pandemic is under control, and the demand may take years to recover. At that point, a large rise in cost will cause international students to look elsewhere in the world for their degrees.
Never
My honest opinion: Who in his/her right mind would go voluntarily to a place which basically despises you but not your money? My son wants to go to the USA to study next year, but since I am the one who pays I have already told him to look anywhere else. The USA used to be a dream for many, now is just a nightmare.
You are righ!
Why does the US despise you? Maybe look at the state of the US citizens who had their job outsourced cheaper, businesses moving production externally while illegal aliens from South of the border drive down wages because they are willing to work for less than what Americans are willing to work for. At the end of the day, the US is for US citizens which isn't shocking.
Try schools in Europe I think schools in UK, Finland and Netherlands offers a good education.
june cera Right now it’s between France and Germany.
Arno Wisp Did you watch the video? We are talking about highly specialized jobs with highly skilled professionals, not really about gardening or cheap factory labor. On the other hand, as a parent, you really have to look carefully where to send your kid. Of course we can never generalize, but currently the USA is a deeply divided society with a strong anti-science and xenophobic social stance. As we see it around the world (believe me, I travel often), the USA right now is like 1920-30s Nazi Germany (never intending to mean this as an insult, but rather as an assessment). Is on your side to reverse course, and perhaps I am exaggerating, but I won’t send my boy to that environment any time soon.
I started two companies here but yet Im treated like an outsider. Current policies have really opened my eyes on my worth here . Feeling not welcomed isn't really a good feeling when all you do is contribute and be the beat part of society. I urge future international students to look into all your options and other places that treat you better!
True - there are lots of great education opportunities outside the USA and many countries are more willing to fund new businesses.
True. But no other country can be compared to the USA when it comes to economy and the sheer scale of just jobs as well as depth of Innovation. That’s the sole reason why many students choose the States.
The lack of information is the main reason
Hi what companies are those? Besides, hk welcomes you
@@aukaming2011 I run a credit rebuilding company and a subscription company.
The united state is slowly losing its position in all areas, man in 10years it will be a whole new world.
Hmmm your opinion is partially true. I mean what is america without foreigners. If they close immugration+ international visas it will be the second pakistan Lol
China will be the world's superpower by 2050.
Not if l anything to say about it. The power of the United States is that we have the individual. It only takes one founder of one company to change the world. 😳🇺🇲
@@samluo2056 Can't be a Superpower if your citizens are hungry 🤔
@Greg Pincus Why do people sneek over the border if it so bad here? Name me a better place to live besides America 🇺🇲😂🤣😭
Had my US visa rejected 4 times before I decided to just go and study in Canada. Still believe that was the best thing that happened to me honestly.
Maybe you should ask yourself why you need to run away from your country instead of staying back and making it better. Brain drain kills a country.
chancy319 did I say anywhere I will be staying back in Canada after my studies? As for why I left my country, please educate me on how I would receive a highly ranked uni degree (statistically speaking most universities here are better than 99 percent university in my country in terms of quality of education). Please refrain from making presumptions about people as you have no clue about how anyone else has planned things out. I, personally, will be returning to my country after my studies because I am fortunate enough to not have to worry about job prospects and/or finances if I fail to get one in my country as I can fall back to working in my father’s business. Not everyone has the luxury to make such decisions. Easy enough for you to state people should be returning to their country when you don’t have any clue about the economic structure of the country and potential working prospects. So when companies in Canada or USA literally offer you jobs even before graduation, only those who are truly selfless (not calling myself that as I incur no financial risk upon my return) will take up the path of putting their country’s benefit over theirs. So after paying 4x the domestic tuition fee over 4 years of college, you are telling people to be selfless and serve their own country while they drained their family savings for a better future for themselves and their families. Between uncertainty and a guaranteed considerably higher paying job, I know what most human beings would choose. Speaking from inside a bubble is easy. Making off hand statement about returning to your country for its greater good while disregarding the nuances of human society and survival clearly shows the position of privilege that you have without even realizing it.
You made the right choice. Canada is nicer than the US.
You made a good choice! The US immigration office probably looked at your name and thought....Muslim....reject.
How was your experience in Canada? I'm considering getting my undergraduate degree in Canada instead
Colleges can’t work without out of state tuition and international students
@Gery A there was no internet back then so you dont need internet to survive now.
Gery A your parents borrowed too much from your generation and squandered them, but didn’t work hard enough to compensate for it. that’s why your generation is paying the cost.
If colleges had not become so greedy in the last few decades this would not be an issue. Of course that was fueled by the well-intentioned but not thought through federal student loan program. Fed govt: everyone gets money Collleges: let’s jack up tuition and start spending on the “college experience” instead of education
The Seminal moment was in 88, when you started voting in politicians who only invested in things they saw as producing goods of immediate value and instant gratification.changing how universities work would require the complete overhaul of the US education system, but you are not that type of people anymore. You love things being kept as they are.
"College Experience" is a real marketing tool i saw in college. I fought with counselors every year about the necessity all these extra curricular courses that were mandatory for my degree but did not apply to my field of study. They pad the curriculum with to pay for their bloated tenure instructors and compensate for their loser sports teams.
I'm going to have to disagree with you. The college costs are following market movements and inflations. Yes, they charge a premium. But it's also a free market, and the options out there are too many to count. So if the real problem is colleges being greedy, then students can simply choose to attend the cheaper colleges. If what you said is true, then there might be some colleges with high tuition, but we shouldn't see almost all colleges with that level of tuition. The real problem isn't that colleges are greedy, the real problem is the government slashing educational budgets for decades. Take NY for example, I went to a state school, guess how much of the annual budget the government funds? 18%! That's like saying here, try to drive with only one wheel on your car, good luck!
@@user-vz1qp3ew7r @Bryan Huang Disagree, Andrew Steitz has one of the main culprits down. The gov (both US + Canada) keep on offering loan programs, incentivizing greedy universities to milk students for as much as they can. Students and the gov bear the risk of this investment; colleges can take the tuition money and run. The free market is working exactly the way it should. The big schools (even reputable schools) have a controlling share of the market and are making great profits - they don't need to reduce tuition. The amount of university administration staff has BALLOONED since the 80s; this is where the lion's share of tuition money is going. Meanwhile, lecturers' wages are stagnant and fewer get full-time jobs, so the very teachers of these "educational institutions" are getting gouged too. The future of postsecondary ed is in community/vocational/technical colleges. They offer lightweight programs geared to the job market without all this bloated "college experience" crap. There is a reason why these cheaper programs aren't competitive yet on the free market: cultural. It'll take maybe a decade I think before employers and high school grads start viewing these types of colleges as legitimate.
I could tell u in my school, 70% graduate students (which are the ones doing research) are Asian international students.
Is it UC Irvine?
I mean obviously only the best come as international students. They are expected to be much better than the majority of the US students who outnumber them.
@George Douglas liberal art? Not true
Please stay out study in Asia
@@christopheralvarado4544 * cries in UC Irvine freshman as "international" *
At this point I prefer to study in a fellow EU country were at least I can have guaranteed residency after college
@@name9074 nope. You get residency in Canada after getting job experience. If you get job a job..
AK It’s not that hard
@iyanna best yes that is true, tuitions in Canada are almost as high as they are in the US for international students but not so much for domestic.
CANADA!!! Great place and great unis too!!
You can't get residence permit in EU after graduation unless you get a job in your field of study.
I hope we're not supposed to have sympathy for universities after raising our tuition prices 100-200%...
It's almost as if colleges will have to drop tuition rates, how terrible
Or close which is also good
@Seb C so true thats why college tution so high
@Seb C well look at other country's in Europe they raise there minimum wage an allow people to have time off an use government taxes to do it meanwhile most of our taxes are put towards paying congressman senators and governors
@Seb C Education that does not lead to a job or education for foreigners to apply to jobs in the U.S after while U.S citizens can't find work to begin with...
How about making a video about "will international students survive in the US even though they have paid the tuition ? "
COULD THEY PLEASE.
I was an international student in the U.S over a decade ago and i personally know dozens, if not more people who were also international students - we paid 3-4 times the regular tuition fees and our visas kept getting more and more restrictive. I had enough and came back to Canada after just a year down south. This is good, this will make Canada a much more appealing country for international talent. Canada is low key already making immigration easier for talented workers from silicon valley since they're all scared of how their visas are in jeopardy and some have been waiting 10+ years for their green cards. Canada needs to soak up the lost talent and revenue of every bad decision america makes right now.
true, I am thinking about marrying an american, I will get green card, lmao
Well America,s loss is Canada,s gain I say go for it talented individuals will make Canada an even more prosperous and admirable nation then it is considered today #THE TRUE NORTH 🇨🇦
M J is cute.
@@shantanu925 BRUH-
Go with the underdog, the US is overpopulated. 🙃
Someone once told me " Never go to a place where the people don't want and don't respect you and take advantage of you"
It was Malcolm x
Yes. Know your worth.
As an international student who has just got an OPT. I have been studying in the U.S. for 7 years since high school as an exchange student. The American public and universities are one of the most welcoming people I have ever met. But the administrations and their policies puts tons of red tapes, hoops, and fences that we have to jump through just to be able to study in the U.S. it's almost like they don't want us here.
I was considering masters in the US in fall of 2020 but postponed that due to the pandemic. Now I'm considering Canada as a better option.
Go to Canada if you can! So many restrictions in work opportunities and even internship opportunities because we’re not even allowed to do off-campus jobs and because of restriction in time for the CPT and OPT programs. I have been in numerous situations when my American peers got accepted to positions that I’m way more qualified, but I did not even get the chance to even be considered because those positions are not opened to international students. I’m deeply regret not going to Canada in the first place.
You probably get a better education as well. Totally do it if you can
@@dectwentythird Oh that sounds horrible. Thanks for the warning, but the thing is i don't know anyone from Canada, but i have a few friends and family in the US. That's putting me into a dilemma.
@@John_Doe448 Yes, seriously considering the Canada option. But i'm kinda also worried about the cold there.
If you were to choose to stay behind after college, totally go to Canada. The US makes it nigh impossible to stay behind. I know this by experience. It's hard to know how long Canada will remain welcoming though so strike while the iron is hot
Funny seeing how so many students from my country spend YEARS preparing for US applications and spending huge amounts on counselling, giving the SAT for which they need to prepare curriculum outside their high school and after all that effort, they still have an uncertain future in the country. The recent trend nowadays is a sharp shift to countries like Canada, Australia, NZ and now even UK. While the market for international students is rising, other countries are coming up with attractive policies to lure international students as they contribute a lot towards the economy
Forget those countries. Their pay are crap. U should look up how much they pay fresh graduate in big cities. IT IS C R A P.
For any international student thinking about going to the US I have one word of advice: Canada It’s cheaper, easier to get into, most Universities are as good as their American counterparts and you will not be treated as second-class people.
Good advice! My cousin finally stopped being an alien when she moved to Canada from the states where she tried for 6 years. Brutal
You know some schools even take 50% tuition from international students, the average cost is around 50k$ per year, that's 200k$ for let's say a 4 year program, and I live in Syria, so you know this kind of money is enough here to buy a small village ...
U should think of bangladesh
I'm paying $42k per year... Which Is too huge
When it comes to MONEY believe me when I say this, NO ONE CARES who you are, as long as you can put YOUR MONEY in their pocket, you’ll be good to go. Sad but that’s just reality.
At least no one‘s concerned race
This issues with school needing funding comes from how the schools are spending money. My sister in law goes to an instate school. Her apartment, a glorified dorm, has a pool. Her public D1 school costs more than my small private engineering school. Dorms were simple, field houses/fitness centers were dual use for sports and students, aggressively sought grants. They locked in tuition your freshman year, built 20 mill in new buildings in 4 years with no debt and had high job placement and well ranked. Schools are being horribly ran, that's the issue. Not the income.
Schools don't teach. They are just places that reward you for agreeing. I'm terrible at English but I passed almost all the time by just writing to my teachers bias. And when I say pass I mean with As and Bs. I only failed once because I got an ACTUAL ENGLISH TEACHER. I was mad then. But now...I only wish he taught my other classes so I would learn. Plus everything you learn is either "A" outdated or "B" to far advance from what is being used right now. If you go into electronics you would think everything is AC and only some DC motors. Yet alot of old factories still running use DC old ass motors because they are cheap and already paid for years ago. I've lost opportunities because I didn't know anything about DC industrial sized motors because I was taught AC with a PLC motor. Yeah. The point is we really need to go back to kids going to work somewhere and someone e taking a chance to train people vs school for 2 or 4 or 6 years and come out and have nothing the market wants.
@@johnsmith6974 As a mechanical engineer I was taught the basics for electrical, biomedical, software and hardware engineering to be able to work on different projects. Learned automation, fabrication, metallurgy and CAD outside of normal ME. The school and programs mater. I knew what is was getting for 20k
Don’t forget the ridiculous cost of standardized tests (GRE, Tofel, etc..)
No, it cannot. International students contribute a large chunk of universities' earnings; not to mention contribution to the economy in general
They will be fine.
International students aren’t becoming liberal arts majors. Their contribution to the economy is way greater than this video leads on
@@Kage-jk4pj yet they contribute 45 billion $ to 🇺🇲
@@Kage-jk4pj You just went to the direct opposite way of the facts shown in the video. 1:42 of this video says, 5.5% is the number of international students in the U.S., not the number of earnings they contributed. The earning they contributed is $45 Billion
@@JohnSmith-nm1hu This. International students are mostly going for STEM field. That's the big difference. STEM is in demand. There is 0 demand for Bachelor of Arts in Jazz Studies. Yes, Jazz Studies is real.
When I was doing my bachelors about 10% of my classmates were international students, but when I was doing my masters about 90% of my classmates were international students. Anyone else had the same experience?
Yes, that's everywhere.
It’s happening in most countries that teaches English as their primary mode language US, UK, Australia etc. It’s even happening here in the Philippines. It started in the early 2000s Koreans flocked to the Philippines to study and learn english primarily then followed by the Middle easterns Lebanon, war affected countries like Syria, Iran. Philippines has basically same style of educational system as the US but much cheaper. In my college in the Philippines more than half of the Medicine students are foreign students from India.
It happens because undergraduate programs is too expensive to spent 4 years .whereas masters program is just for 2years so international student able to take loan and after getting job they used to pay back in 1year .and paying undergraduate degrees loan is not possible.
hi vietnamese.
@@xxrodrmanxx A lot of people want to study medicine in India. But, it is very competetive to get accepted so wealthy people go to Philippines, Russia, Ukraine, ... literally anywhere they get a spot
The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it.
George Carlin :)
when education become business things like this happen... the top universities should probably file an IPO 😅
the university isnt a company.
Aditya Rathod yet they run like it
Nah they good, go check out their million or billion dollar AUM endowments
BAHAHAHAH this is the way. maybe I can finally pay for harvard by YOLOing on Harvard calls
Foreal an IPO lol stonks 📈📈📊
I couldn't even dreamt of studying in America because of their tuition fees, that's why I opted for Europe
Yeah. I'd love to live/study in the US for a few years (well, at least prior to the Covid situation), but it's just too damn expensive, and not therefore not worth it.
@@Andreas4696 good choice
You can bring us your money but you can't stay here!
they really should just give their money to native Americans and get the hell back to Europe
don’t expect many international students to come to the US. Many want the option to stay and work and build a life thats part of the appeal. Make it impossible and they go to countries that make it easy, equal intuition, wants them and there talents by showing that through opportunity not restrictions in there policies. Simple as that. Many good universities and places to study and live in the world. Canada, UK, Germany, Australia, France, Singapore, Netherlands, Japan, Danmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and others.
HS HARSHAD MEHTA Have you ever research further or just seeing a few words and quickly gave a conclusion. Out-of-state students can convert their status to “resident” after only one year of staying in that host state. When they become residents, they will pay like the domestic students do. This policy doesn’t work with international students. Do you understand????
Most universities which are STEM heavy(even the ones which are not stem heavy) has a HIGH international population, and many professors in those universities claim that international students are a charm to teach and are really smart, focused and motivated(this is not true in all cases, but it is most of the time). These people are HUGE ASSETS to the US economy and development, I honestly don't understand why the government doesn't seem to understand that. They are basically taking money from their country and investing in the US, And if they get the green card/citizenship they could create more jobs for the American population. They are basically uplifting the US, not their country.
This is why more people are becoming influencers on social media these days😆😆 Easy money
exactly, they don"t even need a college degree.
Ya but you’ve got to be super lucky to make it big
Surya Vinjamuri true dat
@grimm reaper beautiful face and body will get you there!! hahha
I see this trend in the U.S getting worse especially with Canada and other nations being more welcoming
I'm sorry but she sounds as if she about to cry.
A positive for student because of lower tuition costs A negative for money hungry schools I love it 😊
That’s a very simplistic thought...
Unfortunately though tuition will not get lower. The schools will perpetually eat on their reputation. Asian students will keep flocking to US
There won't be lower tuition until the government stops guaranteeing student loans.
@@xaviercruze1111 naa just got 6464 discount
Thrive ? They would be lucky if they survived.
Imagine America without other nations talent is like big models having the no make up look forever 😂
US gives opportunities to talented people
saikat bag But without the talent opportunity means nothing
Before 1980 where diversity was at least, america was still and is the greatest country. Now china wants to be better than most western countries, I dont think necessary diversity has to do much with western scientific achievements.
@@kristenpaul7159 most of the silicon valley's start-ups are built by immigrants...china will never be as successful as United States tbh
@@kristenpaul7159 America peaked out in 1980. After that it has relied on immigration. For ex. It was an immigrant born in South Africa which made US independent after decades to launch its own astronauts. Earlier they relied on RUSSIA. Ever heard of Bose? The company that makes speakers and headphones? Was started by an immigrant in early 20th century in USA. America sire does provide opportunities no doubt in that. But if you don't have people to use the opportunities it wouldn't make sense
so thts why I got in my first choice
Daaamn lol 😁
Good luuuck
@Beyond Tribalism grandparents and fafsa got me covered for now thnx god
oof, me too!!! my GPA was just 3.0
what was the school?
As a former US international grad student in tech, I can tell you the US bureaucracy is a NIGHTMARE. What you gotta do if you wanna keep international students is very simple, just simplify stuff like other countries and cut the systemic racism. It's unbelievable how the fed government instead of helping schools makes it actually harder for international students to come. I've met students from the Middle East who had craaaazy limitations on their visas such as not being allowed to ever leave the US among many others.
Jordi Perera You would think a capitalist country wouldn’t object the coming of talent into their soil.
but you graduate from a American university 😂
Landlord has suffered in College Cities like Boston/NYC. There are so many vacant units that landlord had to reduce their rent. Even reducing the rent cannot get their units rented. So they end up not paying the mortgage or trying to sell. The government also helping tenants so that they don't get evicted even if they don't pay rent. Majority of the renters are foreign students. Now they are trying to get rid of H1B and J1 visa tenants on top of F1 people. And even if Americans are the tenants they are getting laid off from work so they too cannot pay rent. So now the rental market is really bad.
Made America great again
It is not 'revert back', but just revert. Eg: Revert to previous work policy.
As a former international student, I have to say: it is a complete sham to study in the US. Not only is super expensive, as you do not have access to any financial support, but it is super difficult to get a job or internships afterwards. How are you supposed to get your return on investment? The OPT is useless, employers do not even consider you with a temporary visa, and you are in constant surveillance from your school and immigration services. Do yourself a favor and look for other options.
What was your major?
The US gives better visa options for stem majors.
Alex I was a STEM! With a bachelor and master!
@@SebasGarciaNY Was it a CS degree?
@@SmoothCode CS is not STEM lol
1/3 of the US international students are from China. Their grad students are great assets for doing research and scientific papers. Without them, it's a huge loss to the university finances and professors.
Don’t want to have Chinese accent GA or TA in my program
@@Hungryman4 based on your look, you probably have a asian accent parents or grandparents, 😅 Speaking of self hatred.
International students turned employees at tech firms also earn a hell of a lot of money, and hence pay hell of a lot of money in taxes (CA's state tax is also pretty high) and the US economy. It's sad to see the POTUS pander to non-college educated people in Alabama at the cost of smart STEM grad students paying more in taxes than the average person earns in the deep red states (and those who absolutely aren't cut out to do jobs that international students do). You want their money but can't let them make use of your job opportunities that they unfortunately can't find in their home countries. I don't want to "play the xenophobia card", but it's xenophobia.
Its also really sad to see the same American students who are at the same universities to be dismissed in favor of international students because of a H1-B visa. Why should American students take a back seat, just because you are willing to work as cheap labor?
@@joyphillips1821 cheap labour? Do you really believe Apple, Facebook, etc. are paying non-citizens less than American citizens and setting themselves up for a number of lawsuits as well as paying thousands of dollars in visa and legal fees for fun? There AREN'T enough Americans pursuing higher education in STEM. Take a look at most of the top unis and take a look at their international student % in their grad programs. If Americans were trained enough to do these jobs, I'm sure places like Apple wouldn't be fighting for H1Bs. Although - yes, there are contract workers that do work for cheap labour, which I agree is wrong.
@Axle What needs? How is letting Chinese/Indian immigrants work in Silicon Valley because there aren't enough Americans pursuing higher degrees in STEM harming Americans? It's not as if your average non-college educated family in deep red states is going to end up working at FAANG had it not been for international students/ immigrants.
When you realize a first world country doesn't have free Education but your own country, a developing nation has free education. 🧐
*and* universal healthcare
Stay there then! Make billions for your people.
The US spent all its money on fighting pointless wars and occupying other countries, while China, India and other Asian countries spent their money eliminating poverty, empowering their people with education, and building up their national infrastructure.
@@pineapplesareyummy6352 ALL? Us spend 3% of its GDP on military that just alone still drwafs other countries, but does not represent much of a $22 Trillion economy. Yet average American is 4x wealthier than people in those countries. Median household income is almost $70k a year while $17 k for china and $6k for India please don't compare when you got 4x the population and still can't compare.
@@seanthe100 gdp is a fatuous misleading figure, you spend abt 40% of ur tax revenue om defense,the uk at its height of empire only spent abt 20%
The craziest thing I see is international students from small countries pay up the ass in tuition + living for 4 years... only to go back to their home countries and never make more than $2K USD monthly. I get that their goal is to springboard their uni degree into a job in the US, but more often than not it doesn't work out, because many employers don't want to go through the hassle of being responsible for, and helping secure their visas. To me it's misguided thinking from the parents who think, "Get my kid a US degree at all costs." The cost ends up being too great for the return.
Where are your facts though? You're just spewing nonsense based on your presumptions and paranoia against the world.
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This is actually true as an international student from a third world country 😂 I can testify. I hopefully wish to get a visa tho since am in Canada. US is really tough on international students yet it earns alot from them.
Those that resent intl. students are just mad they're not smart enough for a scholarship :/
B Vedant communist! You’re against competition!
@@bvedant You literally claim to be a nationalist - yet you're also against capitalism's fundamentals? You're a weird American. Socialism has to be on the rise in the US if you represent the general population - fair enough I guess
B Vedant the reasons USA is the leader in innovation are because we get the best people around the world, regardless of their nationality. Look at Google, Microsoft, Tesla, and many other bleeding edge technology company have CEO that are foreign nationals at some point. I can guarantee you that the USA colleges will not be the best institutions in the world if we only let Americans in.
@@bvedant You're so bitter, angry and ignorant - why don't you take it out on someone that can actually do something about it - like your government? Also if you think capitalism in this day and age is only about nationalism - then you should really keep living in the early 1900's. You're outdated.
B Vedant So we will fall behind to Asia, then UK, then Australia? Nah bro, I rather the USA have the best university in the world and some of the best companies in the world. That way, we will attract talents and more employment opportunities here
If you are going to study abroad, why would you come to USA? Our schools are way more expensive than most of the world.
Well the credit goes to USA advertising power they invest more on commercial than any other country everything is business in USA.
The quality is much better and are more prestigious. Besides, many people use our education as a way to live in America.
@@23magneta depends in my opinion if you want to go for the best aim for Oxford or Cambridge. and if you want to go for one of the best these universities situated outside of USA are just as great as any other. For example university of British Columbia, Waterloo , Toronto , imperial college london ETH Zurich, UCL London.
The broken system is now also naked. It's time to fix it and not just dress it differently.
International Students be paying tuition for local students (indirectly)
If it's so unfair to them they should stop coming here.
@@bvedant ok boomer, go tell em :)
@@tntfragz1945 a dead meme to resort to when you don't have anything more useful to say
B Vedant You’re an immigrant yourself, tf is wrong with you?
Well it feels so bad, i had so many dreams to achieve there but it's a bummer
I'm an Indian, I came to the US because countries like Canada, Aus, UK judged my abilities on the bases of my high school grades which I had messed up! :( Where as in the US, Universities cared more about my character, my potential, more than the numbers I got. That's why I chose US over other countries.
Trump has made America great again dude cheers
Thank you for covering this topic..🙏🤞
Higher education is a right and not a luxury...neither is it a business....if you want your population to become better make higher education available to more Americans
From Wikipedia, countries with the most international students in 2019: 1. USA: 1,095,299 2. UK: 496,570 3. China: 492,185 4. Canada: 435,415 5. Australia: 420,501 6. France: 343,400 7. Russia: 334,497 8. Germany: 282,002 9. Japan: 208,901 10. Spain: 120,991 Can international students be yet another metric by which China will overtake the US in the near future?
Russia is rising under new study Russian universities.
China is high only because more than 50% of enrolled students get a scholarship lol..
No I don’t think it will
The funniest part of such restrictions that students follows the Law and they impacted by rules, but illegal immigrants doesn’t need any proclamations they just come. So restrictions is only for law abiding individuals, that’s pure impacting economy, jobs, taxes and students but not illegals. It’s always easy to fight with good people then with bad.
the thing is though, coming from an australian where there are alot of international students come here from Asia in particular, is that universities are run like business, they need international students, because we don't have enough domestic students as we've got a small population period, which means that there's an even smaller amount of kids going onto tertiary education after high school. This means that in regards to the US, they can't not have international students, due to how universities are run, and there are so many more students in the US, due to a much larger population, period
16:23 Wasn't expecting to see my President in this video 🇰🇪
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As a former international student I feel its high time that Asian students change the sentiment or culture that education in US will give great future. Invest in Institutions in your country ,that will pay them back with improved economies ,better salaries and of course Innovation.
Absolutely! Imagine if the Indian diaspora with advanced degrees in engineering, science and medicine in the US went back to develop India. The CEOs of Google and Apple are Indians. With government support similar to what China has been doing - subsidies for strategic industries, recruiting/repatriating the diaposra, India can build its own Shenzhen and have its own Google, Facebook, Apple, etc. Imagine the fear in the US as yet another billion-strong Asian country rises to be a credible competitor.
@@pineapplesareyummy6352 For that to happen Indian government should support the people which unfortunately they are not doing. There are too many obstacles to face in India for basic things with no rewards in return.
This is now a worldwide problem. Universities and governments are addicted to international students and the high fees they charge them. They are now nothing but degree factories. Using it as a gateway for immigration to the host country. All the benefits go to the universities. The general population gets saddled with the economic costs of overcrowding and wage competition with foreign students who are vulnerable to exploitation.
Very true . This is becoming a worldwide problem that isn't limited to the u.s.
@HS HARSHAD MEHTA As an American having gone to college in the early to mid 90s and seeing what it has come to now, I would have to agree with you at this point. It is sad though that greed has gotten to the point that is has disenfranchised both American and international students that just want to pursue their interests and have a better life.
@HS HARSHAD MEHTA If this is true, I feel really sorry for East Indian students. This would indicate that they are not getting their fair chance. The world is getting restructured both politically and culturally, so hopefully things change in their favor.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. Given the history of well-documented evidence of their real and potential contributions (beyond tuition and expense spending) to the receiving US economy, one is hard pressed to understand why a major host country of international tertiary-level students would push a string of hostile policies and practices towards international students. Five years of declining numbers of international students signal many issues in the US immigration and higher education space. Leaders in the most competitive, complex and technical industries have repeatedly suggested that they need the skills brought in by graduating international students to keep ahead of the curve. And they are NOT talking about hiring cheap laborers for farms or domestic work in their case. Such competitive, complex and technical industries seek and hire the 'brightest and best' of eager beavers at competitive rates. The yearly fresh supply of international student graduates is a big part of what keeps many companies in competitive, complex and technical industries thriving and leading, especially in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM). Advocates of myopic populism of the type that dominates some immigration policies only shoot themselves and their supporters in the foot.
I grew up next to a state university. And I feel shameful that I was not admitted even though my family paid taxes. But they admitted 14 students that got the education to take back to their countries. We need to realize universities are more focused on money that how to educate the citizens around their institute.
Not if they have to pay the price of their parents' house
Can young people in general succeed without attending college and going heavily into debt? MOOCs is the future.
Unfortunately there aren't enough jobs and resources available in other countries in many areas. the US remains the best spot for a lot of cutting-edge research as well.
Depends on where in the world you are. Sometimes the conditions are not ideal for success even with the *right* education
toady MOOCs are not THAT great because sometimes the class size is too big for you to be well evaluated. (Of course, there are still bad evaluation happening in small classes, but having a huge amount of students can prove difficult to analyse who is properly learning what)
2:50 Ming Hsu Chen, it is so enjoyable to listen this lady’s speech👍👍
Great, regardless of the song or landscape is perfec
I'm an international student myself and I gotta say the U.S. treats us poorly compared to other countries before and during the pandemic (and maybe after) No hate If I could choose other country to study, definitely not the US ._.
I'm sorry to hear brother
I agree with you but it's the Trump administration that is making a mess. Most Americans do not feel the same way.
@Crypt Keeper give them their money back, they will leave happily..
Crypt Keeper wow what are are you saying?
Blame Trump. I used to be an international student under Obama's government. It was golden years.
1:38 she stuttered and almost said "what the f***.. future will hold"
let's be honest the attitude towards international students have changed drastically too. Today, companies say they need software engineers, they complain about the labour shortages but still refuse to let international students work. before it was all about the economy but now it's just money grab and politics.
...it’s the same with Australia, NZ, Canada & the UK
"We estimate that enrollment for the next academic year will drop by 15 percent resulting in a revenue loss of $23 billion." If we run the numbers, if a 15 percent loss is 23 billion dollars, then the 85 percent left would be $130 billion. Can universities thrive with a revenue of $130 billion? I believe they can, if you want to convince me that they can't, show me the numbers for their expenses.
International students are an asset to the country’s economy and should be treated well but I do see many internationals are heavily assisted with graduate assistantships and fellowships and coming directly from countries like China and India they are not paying any tuition,so basically getting a free ride for higher education. US born students of ALL ethnicities should have a fair chance on graduate assistantships.
I am American and I was an international student in Australia. I paid three times the tuition an Australian citizen did. It was hard to find work during my two year study because nobody wanted to hire someone on a student visa. This practice of overcharging international students is common throughout the Commonwealth countries and not only the USA.
Good that you can see it from this perspective.
Actually the government pays for the other portion of domestic student fees which is why they are cheaper to the individual. This benefit is not extended to non-citizens
I graduated a few months ago but from the time I started and finished college. They raised tuition by an additional $1, 300 a semester.
Canada: its free real est--- US: *prepare to launch protests againsts Trudeau* Canada: We're deeply sorry and we will close schools for them asap
Domestic students can pay double or triple fees, it will keep university going
I'm an international student in the US and now I'm regretting goint to the US to study in the first place.
Let the colleges suffer. They’re too expensive and charging international students triple the regular cost is insane.
Closing yourself to other countries and their workforce just makes you less competitive in the long term
Didn't make china less competitive
@@MAC-vi7fy because they have LOTS of people (aka LOTS of new consumers for companies to make money from) and they don't follow the protections and regulations for workers that other rich countries follow (allowing them to offer VERY cheap labor). The US is completely the opposite and gets a lot of benefits from inmigrants and having an open economy (capitalism at its finest attacks anybody with an idea, generating more money, jobs and innovation). As soon as you close the economy, prices of a lot of things will increase and innovation will stagnate with time
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@Gery A I think we would. They bring a lot of money since most of them don't financial aid unless the university itself wants to provide it. And when they join the workforce the culture and diversity that they bring to the table improve innovation. It's not about social innovation, but just the fact that everybody has different experiences that are even more different when you bring together people from different countries enriching innovation and making it more solid. You can argue anything else you want to but having diversity in companies for the members in charge of designing the strategy only makes companies stronger. There is a reason why a lot of the tech companies have immigrants in their workforce and why the US is the economy leader: all US citizens are immigrants or sons/daughters of immigrants
@@MAC-vi7fy lol you dont know anything about chinese history, the reason china got overrun by every single major power in the 18th century was because they shut themselves off from the world. They stopped learning and absorbing new technologies. china grew in the 21st century because the country got opened up by deng xiao ping, sent hundred of thousands of their students to foreign universities to learn new technologies to bring them home
I want my friend to come back. I didn't get to give her a proper good bye
We are at a crossroads with a lot of tradition. When students consider digital college training, vs. the expensive residence, giant buildings, etc., you will see (finally) a huge drop in costs and student debts (thank heavens) but a concomitant deficit to the bloated collegiate accounting ledgers. With endowments, some schools will do fine, but others will not...
I am an educational consultant in India and this is absolutely true. So many students who deferred their admit to Fall 21 due to the pandemic are already considering other countries like Canada, Australia and even the UK. The scale of the pandemic in the US has scared off more than half of them. Most are already applying to other countries and have decided they won't accept the admit!
Not at all surprised to see University of Illinois get name-checked. There's a popular saying here. It is absurdly difficult for an in-state resident to get into the engineering program because they have such a strong preference for International and out-of-state students. So most people say that the best way to get into the engineering program is to lie about wanting to be in the engineering program and then transferring Majors after being accepted
A lot of people from the united states would go to great lengts to make sure people from other countries don't enter theirs, and then will go mad when other countries don't let them in.
The United States brings in more immigrants than any other country in the world.
What are you talking about? Which country do Americans even try to enter after living here for so long and denies their entry?
don't agree with this comment
@@MrSky10101 I mean it is a country of immigrants.
I'm an international student. Think about this: Universities in the US were fine when they didn't have so many internationals. Now, they will have financial problems?? Universities and the system behind are just so greedy and corrupted ...
10:27 That shot is very much familiar.
i could never trust a video that doesn’t show adverse data...
I just love how this video paints universities as poor angels, while ignoring that university spends more money on paying bureaucrats than researchers and teachers. The total US Student Loan is $1.4 trillion, and tuition has vastly outpaced inflation over the years. why? because universities realized they could just keep raising tuition and people will continue to show up, no matter the cost.
they have to change something but what ?
You have a source on your claim that universities spend more on bureaucrats than teachers?
@@rodneydsouza2454 There was a long piece made about it recently from one of the major news outlets. Universities in the US spend more money on financial advisors to accumulate their wealth and to maintain it rather than improve education. I just don't get how everyone outside of the US understands America's systemics better than its population. It's as if Americans are brainwashed or deluded as to how fundamentals in their country works.
Answer is : NO Everyone should delay enrollment until in-person classes start up once again. It's not worth the tuition. International students pay top dollars and are then insulted by the US government for being foreign. What would you do? Would you send your kids somewhere else more welcoming, a country where you don't worry as much for their safety?
@HS HARSHAD MEHTA Not true
The cost aspect is just pure facts and I've heard about the visa process being tricky. Canada is similar for cost though but I don't know about getting a visa. I considered studying in the states after I graduated from high school in 2017 and my parents were okay with the idea, it was only when I started looking at tuition that things started to get a bit dicey. Even though I also just doubted myself with regards to the SAT (that's another issue) the tuition is quite high and I usually apply to schools with the expectation that I'll go on self sponsorship rather than getting a scholarship which is often always a competition since loads of people are in similar situations as myself; want to go to America but probably can't totally afford a good number of schools. As soon as tuition starts reaching tens of thousands of dollars it begins to get discouraging when it comes to going on self sponsorship because that translates to hundreds of thousands in local currency and that's minus accommodation and upkeep costs, not to mention the air ticket (s). Speaking as a citizen of an African country I think I can safely say this has lead people ( in Africa in particular) to opt for countries in the east like China and probably Malaysia etc because lower - Middle income families with bright kids would struggle to fulfil tuition for the States. Loads of Africans are flocking to China because, from what I've heard and experienced, it's relatively easier and more affordable to get there. China is more technologically advanced than Africa and their schools more often than not have better facilities than a lot of African schools. In Africa the best of the best are in South Africa and probably Botswana and Namibia from what I've seen, but places get filled up and you want to do an engineering course that requires hands on work and your local schools are mostly found wanting, not to mention the lack of industry in many countries on the continent. However it's not all perfect. American schools tend to be more organised and I feel would handle their international students better than what I've experienced so far at my school (maybe it's just I got the bad end of the deal and there are better schools here 🤷🏽♂️) but the fact that you don't necessarily need an agency to apply to a number of North American schools as compared to Chinese ones says something to me about how serious the former is than the latter. Some people go on self sponsorship and others get government scholarships organised by either their local govts or the Chinese govt or probably both and that usually requires you to study your course in Chinese 😓 also, China largely doesn't speak English much so this may affect your learning experience, but to varying degrees, it's like a lottery, some schools are good with qualified and conversant lecturers and teachers, while others..... Ha 😅 yeah. But it's quite easy to get accepted, not to mention the visa process and tickets to China can be paid for given the low tuition (usually under $10000). The experience doesn't match that of the states but there are a lot of things a student will like in China that aren't common in Africa, wechat and alipay payment for example, we'll organised transport system, taobao and online shopping for almost ANYTHING 😀 it's not all a gloomy experience, but it's not perfect and if I'd have to choose I'd probably go to the states or somewhere in Europe but from what I know you'd have to be the child of a lawyer of govt official to be able to afford to go to those places...
There are MANY excellent non-USA universities. Many of the BEST engineers I have worked with got their degrees outside the USA. BTW - many Chinese universities teach in English.
@@jimpad5608 how I would like to go back and do things differently but well , I'm here... Well yeah lots of universities teach in English but what's difficult is knowing which one to pick because quality varies. You have a mathematics teacher who knows basic English but struggles to understand when you're asking him questions about limits in calculus and then you sort of worry about what subjects like material science etc will be like. Again I'll say that I'm sure there are top quality schools here (aside from the expensive prestigious ones like Peking, tshinghua etc.) Ironically some of the best engineering schools are in Wuhan😆, but that's the trick it's easier to find an American school than a Chinese one, from what I know you either have to know or try to get in touch with somebody who's already studying there or use an agency, which can be a gamble but for most western universities its very easy to get in touch with them, they have active email addresses and even chat bots within their websites that can help you get quick info. An employee from the university of Manitoba even cane to my country to see applicants physically and I doubt the Chinese do that. So yeah, china needs some work...
you didnt have to write an essay, and no china isnt a good option for study because chinese students are applying in the hundreds of thousands to move overseas
The G Wagons will be missed 😢
This reporting is not up to the CNBC standard I expect.
The conclusion was known by Australian govt when they gave scholarships to ASEAN students back then in 70s and I was the recipient of such scholarship. Even after 50 years and I retire now, I still hold favourable impression of Australia and its people.
I studied in Boston in the nineties, and came back to Brazil (never intended to stay forever in the US). It was a wonderful experience. But when it was my turn to send my daughters abroad, I chose Canada. These days, unfortunately, I think the US is not a friendly country for foreigners.