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Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist, professor, and author. His latest book, "The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness," will be available March 26.
www.jonathanhaidt.com
Teacher of 27 years and I have watched first hand these phones destroy an entire generation of kids. So sad we've allowed ourselves pushed into such a world. People can't even enjoy a beautiful day anymore without shoving the phone in their face. The smartphone is a human leash.
Do you think it's the phones but or societal values (norms, discipline.... something like that) degrading where there is now a general inability to be able to manage these things properly? They are amazing tools if used properly. I am without doubt a considerably better person because of my phone. They've been a great tool in helping my children too.There is absolutely no way my children are getting a phone, well a smartphone anyhow. I don't care how many of their friends have one. And no way they are getting Tik Tok, ever on, anything. I am not in anyway suggesting there isn't a huge potential downside to it. I know in my own life, excessive time on the phone is an indicator of me not having my life together, something is out of order that needs my attention. A kind of mild depression symptom or something. It can also be a tool in extracting me from that state and preventing me from ever entering it. I guess my belief is it's more a symptom of a disjointed society than the cause. I think Haidt, Peterson and the like all explain it fairly well. Anxiety, coddling etc. I'm of the opinion that it's all a symptom of the Intersectional Woke Marxist takeover of the institutions. I've just gotten to the ' libertarian' sympathies part. Which is definitely right up my alley. What's important is the education around the topics. I'd say Haidt is personally responsible for me being confident to keep my children away from Tik Tok etc. Peterson has played a huge role in ensuring that I keep my own house in order to the best of my ability and understanding what it takes to have a fulfilling, meaningful life and to plan the life I want to have and moreso I want my children to have. (i think that makes me some kind of Ehtnonational Fascist or something..) Much of that education came from my phone and my phone is used heavily as a tool to organise my, somewhat complicated life and keep things moving in the right direction.... somewhat approximating the right direction Discipline and direction... that might be a problem What do you think about that? The syptom versus the problem re phones?
Teacher of 1 year and completely agree! My students have a higher avg screen time than sleep time. I’ll show a video of Jonny Kim, play a song by Hans Zimmer, hold a debate on Banksy paintings… so many students just don’t care 😢 I’ll keep trying my best to figure out a better strategies to support as many students as I can.
It's gonna be two generations. Their kids will be all fucked up as well.
It has ruined adults too
I agree it is bad for most folks, but it is also an extremely powerful tool if used for good. You pretty much have the worlds collective knowledge in the palm of your hand. Pretty incredible
We love that your posting full podcasts on YT again, thank you!
Its very important.
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@@justinr6439Can you read this comment.?....having problems with deletion..🤷♂️
No…it’s not it’s stupid. It ruined the Spotify version
@@Fitzmaie How so?
Another teacher here, thirty years in the classroom. The cell phone addiction that I am seeing and the negative consequences from it should be evoking a national conversation. I hear a great deal about how this is akin to cigarette use, but it's much worse. Indeed cigarettes harm the body, but the phones and social media addiction are harming the mind. Once that brain wiring has been changed I don't think the damage can be easily undone. The national conversation to stop this madness should have started yesterday.
it already has, cellphones are being banned in schools across the globe. We just had a NZ election here and they did the same thing. They also cut funding to mental health services with a policy that ONLY funds measurable results.
I'm not a teacher but I did go to school. I'd just like to point out that "...but it's much worse." is a dependant clause and does not require a comma before it. You're very welcome.
Yeah much worse. Cigarettes generally destroy the body a long time in the future. Cell phones are destroying nearly every part of their life, immediately and in some ways irreversibly.
We are so screwed. My sister and brother in law are both high school teachers in Toronto, and the stories they tell me made me lose all hope for the future
@@ShanahanFowler must feel pretty safe in that box?
I am a parent of 4 children, the oldest of whom is 12 and in 6th grade. I never comment on these channels or social media, but I just wanted to say that I 100% agree with Jonathan’s statement that we need to not give our children smart phones or social media. I feel like no really has the nerve to say that publicly for fear of annoying all parents. I get it. I can’t say it to anyone. But it’s just true, that’s it. There is no other solution. We can face it now, as hard as it is to deal with it, or we WILL, face it later with much harder consequences. Small kids small problems big kids big problems. I know I know that’s hard to hear, but it needs to be said and it needs to be heard.
Not hard to hear at all i am definitely addicted to social media and phone ,and i support this 100% people are just coming to realization how addictive this shit can be. I am 33 year old and i see the alienation and mental health issues that it causes i cant even imagine what is doing to kids is just like gambling if not stronger, sad stuff .. hope we figure it out
I'm an American who lives now in Germany, and most of my time is spent at an artist's collective (a former factory converted to apartments and studios) called Zentralwerk e.V. It's been around just long enough that there's a lot of young kids growing up there now, and they're not on phones, almost at all. You can really see the difference, they're playing sports, going to classes they enjoy, etc.
I don't think people are afraid to voice their opinions as much as it feels pointless to in this particular instance. The disparity between kids being raised with morals by loving guardians to kids being raised by absent and unethical guardians is astonishing.
Don't know if you know about it, but you can subscribe to Epoch Time the physical newspaper for great articles on news but also lifestyle on families and traditional values. Also you can get with the Tuttle Twins that have GREAT books for teaching your kids. Another is the books by ED Hirsch like : What every kindedrgartener Needs to know, What every first grader needs to know, What every second grader needs to know. There is also PragerU Kids, Khan Academy for free tutoring and parent monitoring of where their learning is failing. Also you can grab a set of World Book Encyclopedia that was from the mid 1990's .. a great resource for the house, as well as dictionaries from the mid70's for the real definitions for words. Good luck!
When you give your child a phone, you're not just giving them access to the internet and the whole world. You're giving the internet and the whole world access to your child.
Giggity
This should be the top comment.. we've got a modern day "Chad Nietzsche" here
You’re so meta
well said
Lol that's a cute quote from the Shawn Ryan podcast. Atleast quote the person who said it. Don't act like you made it up
Now we 'watch TV' by having it on in the background while staring at our phones.
So true it hurts
Dude I swear I sold my tv for drugs I didn’t need it but I needed drugs and besides I have my phone still but I’ve been thinking about selling it for drugs too. Screens are not healthy for us man they just aren’t good.
Try TV on in the background with ear buds in listening to a podcast while scrolling on Twitter 😂
Joe "I'm back on youtube" Rogan
@@icecoldyellowredbulldrugs aren’t healthy for you either, no matter what drug selling your objects for it is worse than watching tv lmfsoaoao
I was shocked that Haidt took the willfully ignorant line on Bloodbath. Joe is right - a 3 minute clip viewed with a desire to understand clearly shows it.
really soured an above average episode in my opinion, funny enough i dont think anything this man said was actually new?. not like it wasnt already in all our collective minds
@@andybenitez7412 It’s fine. People are allowed to have a little disagreement in the midst of a long conversation
@@SteveWhite-eb7qryeah they’re allowed to of course. Doesn’t change the fact that it damaged his credibility greatly. Also haidt couldn’t even let it slide that joe proved that his take was bs, he then made a smartass “joke” about not taking his own comment out of context a couple minutes later but you could tell he was salty. Such a child he had to get the last word in.
Joe: It's looks like the media took a statement out of context so they could push an agenda. Jonathan: I have no idea what you're talking about. Journalists have no bias.
Ignorant people like being ignorant, he probably doesn’t like trump and doesn’t want to hear it 😂
I don’t know how anyone can interpret Trump’s use of the word Bloodbath as being meant in a literal sense. It’s like people can’t tell the difference between denotation and connotation anymore. SMH
Because you don’t have TDS
He said "and that's the least of it [as in the economy] it's going to be a total bloodbath" The "least of it" comment seemed to give illusions to more than just an economic bloodbath. It's ambiguous. I think the media rumbled making it seem unambiguous, but so did the Trumpers. It's ambiguous, and knowing trump, this is what he does.
Because it’s a ridiculous metaphor. A bloodbath is when one side destroys another, not a bad situation in general. That’s a “sh*tshow.” Either Trump’s a moron, or he’s suggesting something much more sinister (albeit vaguely)
@@r3dcoat397 he cant even notice when there is a cut in the video. People can't parse the most basic things, we are so doomed when deepfakes become commonplace.
People's brains have legitimately broken.. It makes me feel sad for them, disgusted at them and disturbed by them.
As a child of the '80s, we got some TV time and some video game time, but mostly outside time. Kids nowadays are missing from yards.
Its so creepy. Every playground is empty. Every patio deck is unmanned. Where did all the people go?
It's also hard to trust people. With all the kidnapping
Facts. All day ."go play outside" yes mom
I hope that collectively we can turn it around a bit. I'm not talking about screen time. Maybe I'm naive. We can do better
yea, i notice it. i ahve 2 boys, there always out side playing, but i ahve neighbors either side of me with kids around the same age, and i never hear a peep out them. never get told off, never out side playing. My eldest says they have nintendo switchs and ipads :/ so i presume if there not at school at indoors glued to the screens
“People have stopped living their lives, and started watching people live their lives” - Dr. Phil. That is the main problem for kids. It leads to kids comparing themselves to a unrealistic image and not actually going out doing things. Not going out doing things leads to lower sense of self worth.
That’s been happening since TV’s were invented it’s nothing new
We’ll be right back
We'll keep it right here @@Bert-Kay
@@aunch3 TV and social media are not the same at all. This disingenuous comparison drives me crazy.
@@aunch3 the ability to have one in your pocket that can watch/view and interact with anything from videos to chat boards to social media is completely different. To compare the two is silly.
I'm so glad that Jonathan Haidt is doing this research and talking about it. Social media's effect on the human brain is a silent epidemic.
He's awful.
Underrated comment
Why?@@GS-sm3jo
No one will take him serious because he has full blown TDS.
There is nothing silent about it though. I mean, it's loud af. The effects are eminently visible
"bloodbath" was taken out of context by the media 100% Jonathan Haidt inability to see that blows my MIND, like seriously. He literally was talking about the economy, it was all in the same context of that conversation. Cannot believe the bias.
Yup and he has a PH.D maybe spending your life in higher instutions all your life makes you a moron with simple basic social conversations and context. Let's remember these people were the nerds in school for a reason because they didn't have social skills and they are now running the planet.
Yeah that was sad to see him defend the propaganda attacks against Trump
Even the Young Turks had to admit that...
What Trump was actually referring to is vague enough to leave his intent open to interpretation, including violent interpretations. Considering the events on January 6th, it's highly irresponsible for Trump to use vague, inflammatory language like that without clarification. If he meant the term in an economic sense he could easily clarify what he meant and rule out the more inflammatory misinterpretations.
I'm done with Jonathan Hate after this. He exposed his terrible bias. Can't trust one word out of this bigot's mouth when his vision is this distorted.
My ED has gone away since Rogan came back to KZhead. Thanks joe Rogan
Same
😂😂😂
Got that JRE chub.
Not going to lie I hated fast forwarding the Spotify commercials unfortunately I pay for KZhead premium because I don't want to deal with it either
Hilarious
Can’t wait to listen to this and feel smart until I try to explain it to someone
Every Huberman pod ever lol
lol lol yup
But did you know that the government was supposed to give you $6400 last week?
Yup and Dr Rhonda Patrick hahaha
Hahah tbf what he says is mostly common sense, it's just that common sense ain't that common
The bloodbath discourse is WILD I thought Haidt would see this how does he not?
Because he’s the very person stuck in radical ways of thinking that he claims to be so against. The guy is a hypocrite.
He doesn't see it because he doesn't like Trump. Anyone with common sense can see that Trump's comment was taken out of context.
He’s a lefty mate, he’s doing his best to hide it tinsel books but he’s liberal all the way. He showed it with his TDS.
My thought exactly. He's so freakin' smart and rational, but good hell, he lost it on this one.
Why would you assume he doesn't? People aren't always honest about their intentions. Perhaps he is lying deliberately to achieve an objective. Apply that lens more and things will become clearer. You're welcome
JH is one of my favorite thinkers on the planet. I can’t believe the blow to his integrity I feel from his “bloodbath” take. His whole gig is understanding biases, yet he doesn’t see it making a fool of himself.
yeah, super ironic
Right? He had one job 😅 Definitely suffers from TDS!
If you’re not disgusted by Donald Trump, there is something deeply wrong with you as a human being. Haidt passes the test, many of you Roganites don’t.
Sadly it was pointed out to him (and he replied to me, so he fully confirmed and said he'd get it fixed and didn't) that the use of equity vs equality was a confusing part of his testing (the test questions were equality and the wording of results was equity) and it was not fixed, it was allowed to continue due to "equity" being woke values (not actual equality). I lost respect for him after that, so NOT surprised at all. He's part of the problem still.
Trump does argue that the country will face a literal blood bath and the end of democracy if Biden wins, the liberals speak in similarly apocalyptic terms about Trump winning, the potential of civil war is bandied about by both camps openly. I don't understand why liberals are surprised or why the conservatives are defensive about this.
Good to see Rogan on KZhead . This feels more like home 😂
I have no idea why it feels different on KZhead but it does.
Feels more lame bc they have to cut out everything that isnt owned by Joe or the guest thats on. Feels CORPO as fuck to me now that they edit the Spotify episode to match the cutouts from YT. So no matter what platform you listen on, there will be segments cut out if they watch a tv,movie, or song clip @DavidDavis311
Seriously. I thought I’d stick to Spotify but Rogan on YT just feels right. Also I like the comments
@@PixelKatana they’re mostly bots rn tho 💀
I missed the red pilled community
As a kid, I wanted to be an adult. I wanted to do what my parents and other adults were doing. How can you convince a kid something is bad for them if you're using it at the same time? I don't think you can be hypocritical with your child, you need to lead by example. If you want your kid to get off social media, you should do it with them.
Or teach them there is more to life than the phone. It's crazy, bad parenting is the problem. Not social media
I get what you're saying but parents drink and smoke, kids understand these things aren't for children
Yes. And if they say, "You used to do it. You're such a 2 faced hypocrite! Why can't I?" You say, "Its true, I did, and I realized it was a big mistake. A mistake I don't want you to make too." It's possible and advantageous to learn from the mistakes of others.
@@harrysyoutubing - The level of access is greater, and there aren't any laws or social stigma attached to it. The parents themselves having their nose in their phones most of the time, don't want to be interrupted in their screen time, and are content to let the screens raise their kids. The biggest cause of the negligence I've witnessed isn't from drugs or alcohol. It's from the parents going out to the garage to smoke a cigarette and watching their phones. They lose track of time. What should be 5 minutes becomes an hour or more. The kids soon learn not to seek attention from the parent, and get their emotional need for human interaction from the screen. So, yeah, the problem with too much screen time starts with parents allowing the kids to watch, so they don't have to deal with them.
I don't understand this whole social media thing I got kids and one is like 14 years old and they're not on Facebook and Instagram and Tik Tok they just don't care for it so I don't know where the problem is in rural areas cuz this sounds like a city problem because everybody is not able to get into everyone's business like in rural areas everybody knows everybody's business out in the country there's only like 100 of you
Jonathan Haidt is one of my heroes as psychologists at the same time: I cannot for the life of me understand how he (Jonathan) hears the "bloodbath" is NOT about the economy when to me it CLEARLY is
"It(an aside about the repercussions of not winning) is going to be a bloodbath for the whole country. That(economic context) is going to be the least of it(our problems)."
Confirmation bias’s
TDS
@@ghostlack or That (auto industry) context will be the least of our (economic) problems.
Johnathan is a bit feminine, so it's not a huge surprise that he wears lefty colored glasses.
From 1970 to 1995 the single parent household doubled and peaked. I think this has played a part as well that people are missing.
I'm with Joe he was talking about economy.Cant believe they actually listened together and came up with different conclusions .. that was mind blowing
Thank you! I was sitting here saying 'how is he so far off on this' after really liking the rest of what he was saying
TDS is a hellava drug!!! Late stage is incurable.
If you want to believe something so bad that you are ignoring what is happening in front of your eyes....
I think what it is, you expect Trump to say inflammatory stuff and while I agree he was talking about the economy, I don't think it was an accident that he used the word blood bath. Also, adding that it will be the end of democracy if he looses didn't help either, lol.
He has true TDS where anything Trump says MUST be viewed with the worst possible interpretation. It's crazy to see how reasonable he is in EVERY other category except for Trump. Wild!
Jamie made a very rare mistake by his standards with that Trump video. Trump was specifically speaking about the Motor Trade industry but Jamie played an edited clip, the guest made a stance based on the edited clip and when Jamie then played the footage in context he refused to change his mind. It speaks volumes to how powerful the media still is and also shows how stubborn humans are.
Nope.The edit came after Trump uttered "If I don't get elected it's going to be a bloodbath, that will be the least of it." Maybe he's talking about the Chinese enacting an economic bloodbath against us. Maybe not. It's definitely meant to stir up emotions, namely fear and revenge. It should definitely be a red flag coming from a guy who has incited violence before with that same kind of cagey language. And if the press had not reported it in that context it would have been dereliction of duty. Also -- he botched tariffs on China last time, remember? He thinks we're dumb.
Trump is best as viewed through Sam Harris’ filter - an abdominal human being by any standard!😊
@@johnhall2708 Sam Harris is a hypocrite and a fraud, he's just as bad as trump.
yeah he literally wrote the book on human moral/political biases so he must be pretty comfortable owning his biases. Based imo.
@@johnhall2708 "Abdominal" XD. This is so much funnier if sent from a computer instead of autocorrected from a phone.
These are my favorite type of guests 💯💪 love having u back on KZhead Joe 🫡
What? Idiots?
The Righteous Mind is such a fantastic book. Glad to see Jonathan Haidt on these larger platforms.
Based MotFD enjoyer. Yeah, it's one of the most important books I've ever read. It made me realize there's no arguing with WEIRDos because they don't (whether that's can't or won't is up for debate) share my presuppositions.
I mostly dig him, but his TDS and unwavering defense of institutions are wearing thin.
The last time Jonathan Haidt was on the podcast was #1221 now he is on #2121 :D
Crazy
This really made me smile. Thank you, kind Internet stranger, for pointing this out ❤
This is trivia only an autist would know
I like you. #nohomo
“We are the priests of the Temples of Syrinx; Our great computers fill these hallowed halls!” Oh wait, that's #2112.
Jamie used the wrong clip. He was specifically talking about the Auto industry. He’s been saying it in various speeches
That’s right ! Jamie used the wrong clip!
Doesn’t matter the Jewish professor has a bad case of TDS
I set a reminder to tell me when I spent an hour on Facebook. Wow what an eye opener. The first day I did it, I was like, ok, so now what. It's unreal how addictive it is.
This is a fantastic topic of conversation. As a father of a 7 year old who spends a lot of time on his iPad I see the difference between when he’s on it for a long period of time and when he’s not.
Bloodbath: Informal. a period of disastrous loss or reversal: “A few mutual funds performed well in the general bloodbath of the stock market.”
That's coz when the price of a stock is down is normally showed in red. So if there is a blood bath in the market, most if not all stocks are down/red. You can tell this guy is an academic hence a democrat.
He sounded so intelligent, until he didn't take his on advice.
Agreed. I’m happy to see this in the comments, for level headed man- he was disappointingly too eager to condemn trump against logic
@@sarahcorrigan2625 surprised a renowned social science prof is so ignorant of economic terminology
"a ruthless slaughter of a great number of people; massacre." - conveniently you left out the first part of the definition you googled.
I watched this while eating breakfast until 2:21...struck by what Jonathan and Jo were saying, I closed my device and heard the birds singing outside my home for the first time in a while. A peaceful stillness was felt while I finished my food before returning to this video in the hope that we can learn how to help our world to become less anxious and more courageous. Perhaps it starts with us.
Bryan Callen is that you?
edibles for breakfast are not recommended.
More courage 💪 “It starts with you” is my sign off on my podcast. Excellent comment 🙏
ah the social media break… followed by returning to social media to tell people about your break…
"the i logged back in to let everyone know i logged out and to tell them how great it was " 👺👺👺
1:32:30 I really was floored when he could not understand trump. He was clearly talking about the economy. It was clear. I am not sure if Jonathan was being dishonest, or if he actually could not understand what trump was saying. I felt like after this exchange between Joe and Jonathan was shut down by Johnathan, the interview was over and I sensed there was a change in tempo from joe.
Yeah because how can you take someone seriously when they clearly lie to your face about what you just both watched with your own two eyes Johnathan wanted to move on quickly.
@davidharris6427 I really want to give Johnathan the benefit of the doubt. Some people do not understand trump because of his, I would say, jersey style, manner of speaking. So I want to be like hey, you miss understood, but then when you take the whole interview in totality, Johnathan was denying a ton of things that are happening out of ignorance I am assuming, and it indicates to me that he has far too much trust in our institutions.
TDS. Bad.
It didn’t help that Jamie played the MSM edited clip first. In the full clip it’s clear he’s talking about the auto industry…trump clear, he does hop around a lot. Very similar to fine people hoax.
It’s a shame Joe didn’t know that bloodbath is in dictionary as economic terminology. Drives me crazy.
Well, now he knows 😅
I just can't stand the 'let's agree to disagree' thing when the facts and evidence not even ambiguous
@@JSilb would have been more accurate for Jon to say, "I already have my beliefs, your not changing them with any argument."
So Trump was using it as an academic piece of economic terminology? Give me a break.
@@matthewkilbride1669 it's not academic terminology, it's common terminology within the industry that Trump has been apart for his whole professional career. "Bloodbath" was being used candidly and in context. Some side effects of TDS include: Inability to see the obvious.
"We watched too much TV, and we turned out okay." I got a good chuckle out of this 1. Before Joe even chimed in, I was like, "Are you sure about that?" Lol
Boomers: 1st generation to grow up with over the air TV X-ers: 1st generation to grow up with cable TV and video games Millennials: 1st generation to grow up with the Internet Gen Z: 1st generation to grow up with everyone having a phone in their pocket and social media
@ryanjacobson2508 some Gen Xers. I'm early Gen X, and cable didn't make it to our area until I was 17 or 18
@@ryanjacobson2508i’m 19 and no one had phones until like 2016
I just watched Network, which was released during the height of television, and it's uncanny how accurate it is. It could have been written yesterday. It kept making sense, and you need to watch this movie if you haven't already.
@@man.itz.ashtonso you and your friends got them about 8 years ago… when you were 11. How did you not grow up with phones in your pocket?
I went back to school to get my doctorate in media psychology several years ago, mainly because of this. topic and like you, Dr. Haidt, I saw this coming in the early 2000s and find it frustrating that we didn't take heed as a collective. We've had two decades to acknowledge these warnings. The research has been there all along. Thanks for highlighting Dr. Haidt's vital work!
Did you use your degree for a career? If so, what did you end up going into for a career? I've thought of doing something similar but I have a very good job with respectable pay. If anything I would maybe like to teach psychology in retirement
@@tskinsplaylists2972 Working on my dissertation now, but I think I want to go back into education...I'm open. Enjoy retirement!
Thats because the research was to make this happen in the first place. Look at common core and the weirdos who made that.
Haidt: I have been unfairly taken out of context and it's not nice. 10 minutes later... Refuses to acknowledge the context of Trump's (admittedly clumsy) speech and suggests he's pushing for violence
Thank you both for sharing your time and work Jonathan, and Joe, peace
Mr. Haidt: Defined Webster....see 3rd meaning as in ECONOMIC.....specifically. bloodbath noun blood·bath ˈbləd-ˌbath -ˌbäth Synonyms of bloodbath : a great slaugher : a notably fierce, violent, or destructive contest or struggle the campaign has become a bloodbath C : a major economic disaster a market bloodbath
He’s never going to read this 😅
Comments really are 20% of the show. This is a welcome step back to the "good old times"
Stunned that Haidt makes so much sense 99% of the time, and then has such a terrible take the “bloodbath” controversy. It could not be more clear the aside was about the economy and he can’t see past his bias.
I came here to see if I was the only one who was blown away by that
What was astounding was the fact that even after listening to the original version vs the dishonest, deceitful & disingenuous edit done by the media, he still fails to put the comment in the proper context. Huge L by Jonathan. Makes me even more concerned. Jonathan is someone I consider a good faith lefty who’s doing really important work. But his brain also seems to have been broken by hyper-acute TDS.
Unfortunately the majority of Trump supporters are idiots and probably would do another January 6th situation. Trump is a powerful force with powerful words and he uses them negatively. He has the potential to pull the country together but that’s not on his to do list. But I’m sure you guys believe January 6th is a hoax and that I’m stupid.
@@skipjacks85 Unfortunately the majority of Trump supporters are idiots and probably would do another January 6th situation. Trump is a powerful force with powerful words and he uses them negatively. He has the potential to pull the country together but that’s not on his to do list. But I’m sure you guys believe January 6th is a hoax and that I’m stupid.
It was very disappointing, and I admit, it slightly diminished his credibility in my eyes. I’m reminded that in ‘The Coddling of the American Mind,’ he and Lukianoff perpetuated the hoax surrounding Trump’s out of context “very fine people” remark. Independent of all that, I found this interview difficult to get through because of Haidt’s voice. It’s…too soft, and monotone. It grates on me. I’ll stick to his writing, which I enjoy. But again, the “bloodbath” thing…sigh. No Trump supporter here, either, not that it should matter. Facts are facts.
After Jonathan was so “comedically wrong” about the bloodbath commitment, I can’t take him seriously. I agree with the social media but he is obviously myopic and victim of intellectual capture.
Agreed. This is often the problem intellectuals in society, Thomas Sowell writes about it.
Agree it was definitely about the economy it was very clear they cut up the speech
To get an hour n 40 minutes in to find he's got TDS pissed me off so all of what hes said then is with a clouded deluded view of the world I should of realised when he started saying about the sleep overs. Joe was thinking no I vet these people motherfuxker 😅
You mean like they did when Biden talked about the revolutionary war and airports?
@@SirArghPirate I’m not familiar with that one tbh
That's what I thought but apparently not because it was an "aside" LOL what a weak little lib
@@SirArghPirateBiden is a potatoe
Social media is the new smoking. As a teacher I think that under 18 ban would do a world of good. The addiction levels some students have is frightening
As a former cop this guys is WILDLYYYY off base on the presence of child predators
I’m a recently retired cop too and Haight is absolutely correct that predators of kids have moved online to hunt. Nobody gets away with that crap in public sir
Thanks for talking about the important and relevant stuff going on in our days, THX so much ur podcasts are the best for me to work and learn. Much love from Cuba
They guy watched and completely brought the media spin and then ignored it when the full version is displayed.
Not only ignored it, said he wasn't going to talk about it anymore
Tds on display, even though he tries to hide it.
With the first clip, they got dubt lol, the second clip was the right one. While I agree that Trump was talking about the economy, I don't think it was an accident that he chose the word "blood bath." Also, he said if he loses, it would be the end of democracy is quite hyperbolic. That's what you get with Trump speeches, though.
@JavierGonzalezJr818 That is what you get with ALL political speeches. Democrats have been saying he will be the "end of democracy " for years.
He perfectly described the issue of media/social media manipulation for 1.5 hours and then his spine evaporates when he has a chance to call out an obvious example. Total squish fence sitter
It's so hard to be in puberty...and now social media is destroying what self esteem they had from childhood. It's bad for under 18s. I mean REALLY detrimental.
Raising a human isn’t easy or hands off. You really got to put in the work. Ppl know this about puppies but not children. Convenient negligence.
I sent my niece this (she has 2 under 15). Her kids are free range, they have apple watches with GPS trackers, can call home and 911, and are only allowed YT, the daughter has only recently been allowed to wear light makeup. Even still, my great niece, at the ripe old age of 12, is buying skin care regimen products at Sephora. Bc....YT/social media.
I was all in up until their disagreement on the “bloodbath” comment. His immediate dismissal of Joe’s interpretation and his unwillingness to acknowledge the fact he may or may not be wrong on the issue seems odd to say the least.
"Politically Homeless" - There are millions of us now.
All you have to do is listen to Haidt's pitch and tone of voice to realize he's not at all politically homeless. And it all came out in the last 30 minutes.
All our schools in NZ are phone free as of April, but my son's school already was for the last 2 years. Even so, we need to monitor their use in the home. We've seen some unhealthy addictions to social media creep in. The big one is staying up all hours of the night. Phones and devices need to be outside the bedroom from a certain time, and even with the rule we have to stay vigilant so they don't sneak it back. The addiction is that powerful.
People, many without kid, but even with kids, tend to compare the current situation with former fear of TV, video games, rock and hip hop, but I think the situation now is VERY different and odd. My nephew is very addicted, he was addicted in video game when he was child, that was very bad, but now he is addicted in social media, smartphone, and man is way, way, way worse than video games. I saw one coment saying the current situation is similar with drug addiction, I think is a fair comparation, because many addcted in social media kids seems out of the reality, and had the same amount of angry that a drug user.
"with all the research coming out I'd never let my kids smoke red or black cigarettes, I'm a responsible parent! I only let them smoke mild blue and only one pack a day" - How the world look back on you 50 years from now.
The thing about social media is it's become a lot less "social"...yes there's some communication, but the biological aspect is missing completely. Humans need to be with one another in person, not on a screen. There's a workbook called 30 Days Without Social Media by Harper Daniels that would go great with Johnathan's book.
“I hear him calling for a civil war.” This guy just wants him to be calling for one. What an idiot.
I'm so glad I remember the days of home lines, and being forced to play outside with the neighborhood kids. It's what made us normal, and by normal all I mean is having the ability to have a conversation with a random person without crumbling in fear.
I miss the game "Smear the Queer." 1v10 football, end zone to end zone. You could never play that game these days... Or even talk about it.
Ahhh nothing like character building knee scrapes. Something the new generation has never experienced.
"Intuitions come first, strategic reasoning second." -Jonathan Haidt
“We need better platforms for democracy”
Tiktok ban is a digital Patriot Act. Not good Jonathan. Read the bill
@@zackattack635 The tribe?
@@LostManeLittle hat long nose tribe
@@LostMane they who must not be named - those we don't speak of (in the open)... you know who.
Thank Joe for interviewing another informative and great public health intellectual, Jonathan Haidt!
To whom it may concern . . . thank you ever so much for posting the full interview here on KZhead.
Blood bath is an economic term, Haidt is wrong according to dictionary
💯 His TDS take was so disappointing. I thought he was better than that.
OK thanks
Jonathan Haidt is a Jew
That term is used up and down on the street every time there's a 1% down day. I don't think haidt realized that the first clip wasn't real and falsely edited, that the second clip alone is what they're referring to. It seems like he thinks he used the term twice, I don't even think it occurred to him that they would be that dishonest.
@@michaelr5606 #metoo
i miss the timestamps guy
Jaime been lacking after the Spotify deal!
I was bust thinking about how among ALL of these ppl. Not a single soul has taken the time to do it. Not 1 person. In a world where anyone can be the timestamp guy. Just interesting
@@corbanm4952 Yeah, and these days it should be easier than ever given the AI tools out there. I'm sure there's one where you can feed it this link and have it provide topical summaries for you.
I'm not the biggest fan of Trump but, do you know how many news anchors had used the words blood bath???? A lot of them. So!!! If Trump is to be condemned and chastised, so should all of them as well for that shit falling out of their pie wholes.
Haidt is definitely an idealist. We’ve had models for what works with kids - community and intact family units. No new program in the world could replace that.
I was born in 88 and we just grew up playing the hell out of video games. Laptops didn't come out until I was in highschool...but we still were outside just as much as we played games. That's the difference
That's the difference? Just because you've had a laptop.. the best you could do to be social with your friends on there was email. No. The entire game has changed. It's not even the same universe as when you grew up.
Predatory, addictive apps that every kid wants to be on because all of their friends are on it. The only thing comparable to that to when we were growing up is smoking cigarettes. But that was just something you did. It didn't instantly connect you to people outside of the location that you were sitting or standing in. Now it does.
@@jamesmiller5331 You're wrong when you say the only social thing you could do with a laptop during that time was e-mail. There was IRC, P2P networks, online multiplayer games, instant messaging apps, and online forums in the early 2000s just to name a few social things to do online, but those didn't cause people to seclude themselves and didn't cause the same sort of addiction the modern social media does. That's not a different game and it's not a different universe, the tools are just better than they used to be. People have always done their best to use new technologies to accumulate power and money. Before internet it was tv, before tv it was radio, before radio it was newspapers, before newspapers it was clergy and before clergy it was just the biggest stick. They are all just tools people have used over time to compete for money and power and to think that just because 2000s had laptops and 2020s have mobile phones the game and the whole world has somehow radically changed is naïve to the point that it's actually kind of adorable.
What are you talking about laptops didn't come out until you were in high school. Laptops are older than you!
@@cyliemyrus bless your heart
I like Haidt in general, but I’m shocked by how obtuse he was being regarding the Trump “bloodbath” quote.
I feel second hand embarrassment watching adults act that way
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This guy thinks he is above the brainwashing from academia, clearly he is in denial.
You shouldn't like a guy who can lie this freely.
Haidt is blind to the "tiktok ban" thing too. Bro. Come on.
@1:38:00 Have to applaud his optimism, and while I agree that most people are reasonable, they're also silent and complicit. I've read too many books and watched too many podcasts where the ones who are taking a stand against the woke mob hear this phrase: "Privately they'll come up to me and say they agree and support me, but they can't do it publicly." It's time for them to stop being cowards. If these so-called decent people had a spine, people like Bret Weinstein and his wife would still be professors at Evergreen.
I require all my students to do the Perspectives program, and I i get tons of positive feedback from them. It's fabulous.
When I was in university studying digital design I brought this up to my lecturer, I asked why are we being taught in our morning phycology classes how detrimental to young people's brain development social media is, but in the afternoon our working brief would be "how to get young people to use our apps more". I was ignored and told to be appreciative I get the opportunity to work with such prestigious companies as the BBC... like _they_ haven't had their share of controversies when it comes to young people.
shut up and consoom product
01:35:30 - Even after playing the unedited clip, Haidt still stuck to his guns in his belief that Trump was referring to violence. If you're incapable of admitting your wrong after proven so, nothing else you have to say about anything means nothing to me.
exactly, instant credibility kill.
And how quickly he wanted to move on after stating his made-up mind...He didn't want to hear it again or try a different perspective. He went into the clip listening for confirmation of his belief (his position was made evident to me when he made the subtle disapproving/disappointed *ahh* sound when Joe brought up the topic).
Dude, either interpretation could be the accurate one, but one would need to ask Trump.
It's a very bizarre interpretation of Trump's words, and it just speaks to the fact that, people with their faces glued to cable news all day like Haidt no longer can differentiate reality from fantasy.
@@levcimacYou would only conclude that Trump was inciting violence if it fit your presuppositions
It's so funny how even people as smart as John lose all train of thought and reasoning when talking about Trump. To think Trump was talking about a civil war in that speech is ridiculous lol.
He wants people to take on a different approach than the mainstream narrative of technology. Meanwhile he couldn't even objectively view something Trump says at a rally. I think social media has gotten to someone's head indeed!
Correct DJT speaks in broken sentences when he’s off the teleprompter. So he’s solely focused on the topic of the car industry.
Idk why but johnathon has the most relaxing voice, are you able to buy an audiobook of his, with him as the narrarator?
A book to help you sleep?
I'm afraid there are still child predators. I think Mr. Haidt is a bit naive on that point.
There are more child predators today. What did you not understand? They're on TikTok, Snapchat, Facebook, Instagram and whatever forum where you can get uncensored access to children. You have to think like the criminal to get them!
Jonathan Haidt is not saying there is no child predation, period, but it is far more prevalent online and happening less in their spaces--and I believe he's right. One of the biggest issues with children on the internet is being groomed by pedophiles hunting children on the internet, which can be through social media or some online games. The pedophiles are now in the shadows where they cannot be witnessed by other adults who can identify this behavior until it is too late. These predators can not only convince these children to meet them in real-life encounters, but they can convince children to pose in provocative pictures, not only for their sexual pleasure, but can use it as a form of blackmail for more pictures or for monetary gains.
Johnny was doing so good.. but its obvious that trump was referring to the bloodbath in economic terms.. Its crazy when you have such a logical human being with such nuanced stances on important issues still suffer so badly from TDS that he cannot concede the obvious point. Joes "i get it" was beuatiful counter play. Loving these longform vids on youtube, thanks tons gang! Respectfully, ~meathead
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Johnathan Heidt is a Jew.
Nobody is immune to the dreaded syndrome
It's like when I'm talking to my intelligent religious friends. When God comes up they are just programmed to stop thinking rationally. Haidt doesn't realize it, but he could be studied by a class of psychologists on the effects of ego and the inability to change one's mind.
@@RobidyBobidy1 my religious friends are pretty honest and clear about that. They say that no one can prove that god exists, and on the other hand no one can prove that he doesn't. So it's just a matter of belief. Nothing wrong with that.
Ughh finally back on KZhead. Missed Joe Rogan. Hate using Spotify platform.
We don’t have all the child predators locked up at all. What’s this guy saying? They get the lightest sentences which is why they always are repeat offenders.
“We locked up most Predators” what world is he living in 🤔
Look at his bone structure. It's indicative of those little hat folk, and you know what those little hat folk do to children. Research Metzizah B'peh
The blood bathe reference was referring to the car industry and it's economic effects on the country. He was expressing the level of severity and how serious it is.
He had a bit of derangement come through there didn't he
@@bogkazealijamislim5998 Oh dude I lost respect for him especially when Jamie found the actual non cut video and he goes well we won't agree on that.....what....
For an intellectual who says he knows a thing or two about economics he doesn't know that "bloodbath" is an economic term for market disaster! It's used by economists all the time. Google it. Trump used it as tho he was giving an economic lecture which he was. What a joke
You guys ever think it's all somewhat scripted?
@@waltergrace565 very possible. At most it's heavily scripted; at least there's a vague outline they're following. I was positively baffled that Haidt, a psychologist and author, couldn't see that "bloodbath" was clearly a metaphor. An author can't identify a metaphor or euphemism? He was pulling Joe's leg, or he's not nearly as intelligent as he thinks he is...
My kids weren't allowed to have phones until they were at least 14. When they were little, I would have them do "no electronic Sundays" and make them go outside and play, but no screens. Not saying i'm a perfect parent, I still consider myself a very mediocre parent. But I am so glad that I did those things when they were little. yes, my kids were the last ones in their classes to get a phone, or one of the last. But I didn't care.
Excellent podcast
Shout out to all my dawgz and shamans
I hear your 432 loud and clear
Lmao lets fucking go
@@shinobi-no-bueno 432 or get left 🙆♂️
SODTAOE
Kudos to Joe for having people on, with crazy ideas, and not living in an echo chamber
His idea were moronic not crazy. Nothing he said would work. I wish I never watch this episode
Terrible take. They said the same thing about cigarettes , which most did back in middle and high school in the 90’s and now look at it. Anything is possible. Social media is a cancer to the youth that can’t be ignored any longer.
🔥 echo chamber is a good analogy.
@christopherlocke9616 yeah. Better to do nothing. Plus I only want to hear my opinions repeated back at me.
You are weak. You can't keep your kids off social media. You are weak . Nothing he said was crazy @@christopherlocke9616
Taught for 15+ years at several different schools including overseas. The one issue that was the most contentious in my classroom was the cell phone. When you take the addicts' source of addiction away, of course, it's going to be a sheet show.
I didn’t think the guest would suffer from TDS
Stage 4 TDS from the looks of it. Shame
Terminal Case
Joe is fucking solid. Doing the job that 20 news organizations can't do with 1000s employed.
huh?
I’m Gen X and I hardly watched TV. We were outside and gone. Most I have ever watched something has been KZhead by far in the last 5 years.
Same here. That's also because TV wasn't that great back then. I mean, you can't really binge on A-Team, can you?
Yeah. I remember playing hide and seek, or cops and robbers etc for hours outside. It also brought kids together.
Thanks Joe. You are changing the world for good
I was born in 1999, and unironically I am kinda glad that my family was just broke enough that I didn't get a smartphone until I was 17 in 2017. Since I didn't grow up with social media, I wasn't always comparing myself to others, and thank god I didn't grow up in the depressive turmoil that the kids today are. It should definitely be law that kids can't have social media access until they're 16-18.
Thankyou for posting a long form podcast episode to youtube!
Please deal with the bots in the comments. The comments were one of the best parts about having Joe on YT.
The bots are the ones that have huge amounts of likes in a tiny amount of time talking about something unrelated. And all making the same point.
The robots are taking over whether you like it or not.
That’s KZhead’s problem, and they can’t seem to figure out how to deal with it (or don’t care to)
KZhead won’t address it because they want to spam comment sections too.
Sounds like something a bot would say 😂😂
This guy is the worst kind - superficially smart, well spoken and with the credentials STILL with terminal TDS. He was proven WRONG ON THE SPOT and still didn't change his opinion @1:35:00
JRE back on YT is the best thing since sliced bread
Hahaha
More important than ever to protect your childs mind.
Where is the time stamp guy , we miss you
Bloodbath is also a term commonly used to describe an economic disaster
A prof of the social sciences and he doesn't even know that. What a hack
It's even in the dictionary, one of the senses of bloodbath is "a major economic disaster" (Merriam-Webster dictionary).
Why can't a psychologist & supposedly successful author identity a euphemism? A metaphor? Hyperbole? I cannot believe he dug his heels in so hard on that. Truly.
Definitely some TDS dug down deep into Jonathan
It is today. I'm sure Webster's online will update it by the end of the week.
current state of society and relationship to phones is testament to persistent marketing and reinforcement in advertising and television/movies
Great episode! Great guest and interesting discussion.
Haidt's interpretation of Trump's speech: [Trump]: Talking about the economy [Trump]: Taking about the economy [Trump]: Aside to explicitly talk about a literal, violent bloodbath [Trump]: Talking about the economy again... A reasonable intetpretation of Trump's speech: [Trump]: Talking about the economy [Trump]: Talking about the economy [Trump]: Uses the idiom of a "bloodbath" when discussing what will happen to the auto industry if he isn't elected and his policies aren't put in place [Trump]: Continues talking about the economy
Jonathan Haidt is a Jew
Sometimes Haidt lets his TDS show. I love his work and cite him often, but I found this take telling.
@@candyce2144 He has been infected by social media and media in general. Isn't it ironic?
@@phillipcook3430 it truly is. Kind of disheartening.
TDS is a legitimately interesting phenomenon. I have smart friends who full on abandon all rational thought when it comes to trump, like failing 1+1=2 logic tests like the one you described above. Wild stuff.
I had no idea kids were allowed their phones in the classroom. Who allowed that? If my friends and I had smart phones when were were at school it would have been carnage.
My current average for screen time per day is less than 5 minutes on my phone. I'm pretty happy with that.
How did Haidt not get that the bloodbath refers to car manufacturing? It was so obvious :O
He is mentally ill.
His wikipedia page provides some insight into his way of thinking. Check his biography, if you don't see it by now I do not know what to tell you.
@@notsocrates9529 No do not trust wikipedia on a thing, at best it can be a tool to link to sources. But I do agree that, Haidt in the books he writes takes more care to try to remove bias, same can not be said for in interviews or on stages.
So adamant about it he can't hear the truth, And he talked about stupidity how ironic, Trump derangement syndrome is real lol, and we are listening from India, people who are not Americans listen to these and think it's crazy too
@@TheGismono tl;dr early life
Damn, I am really up the creek without a paddle (Jonathan just fyi this is not referring to water, paddles, or civil war)
The fact that he refused to not take Trumps metaphor of the country being a “bloodbath” in a literal sense, then uses the phrase “being stabbed in the back” later in the episode as a metaphor really pissed me off.
Otherwise, great episode.
@@chriso8087 Agreed, kind of dumb for him to get hung up on that, but the guy had a ton of good stuff to say. Interesting ideas for sure
At 1:41:?? He seems to have a different stance on speech;but if trump says something it’s different. Typical. GFYM
The term blood bath is used in business for an economic disaster. I would think either of them would have caught that to mention on the show.