Serial killers. You probably know the names of some of the world’s most infamous. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy. Robert Pickton and Paul Bernardo. If roughly 1% of the world’s population has psychopathic personality disorder, most of them live among us. Who are they? What distinguishes them from others? Psychologist Stephen Hart is an expert on this condition and has spent years studying it and working with the people who interact with them. It’s a fascinating and eye-opening conversation about a condition that’s often misunderstood.
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Stephen Hart is a Professor of Psychology at Simon Fraser University and Director of the Terrorism, Risk and Security Studies Program. His expertise is in the field of clinical-forensic psychology, with a special focus on the assessment of violence risk and psychopathic personality disorder. For more info on his work: www.sfu.ca/psyc/faculty/hart/H...
Book recommendation: “Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us” by Robert D. Hare
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Basically no one will know a psychopath until it’s too late. Once they have you in their grip it’s over. You’ve been had.
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But anyone can - and everyone on the planet should - become intimately familiar with the standard personality traits and manipulative tactics of psychopaths and sociopaths as outlined by Dr Hare, and TAKE care of themselves in the face of 1 in every 25 people worldwide being psychopathic, according to Dr Martha Stout. No one has to be judge, jury or sidewalk psychoanalyzer; all we have to do is know exactly how they act and operate, and subsequently, with this awareness, be completely un-targetable, and unable to be abused by them.
@@peterbolger6966 true. However that would require the individual to understand their vulnerabilities within a power dynamic and attachment style. Have the INSIGHT and SKILL to identify their needs and how get those needs met in a way that doesn’t increase their suffering. Many vulnerable people have difficulty understanding what healthy boundaries look like. For those with codependency issues, personality disorders, and mood disorder many have no clue how to negotiate emotional, psychological, physical, social, financial, sexual, intellectual, and spiritual boundaries . Narcissists can be attractive to people who lack efficacy and control over their lives and are more than willing to allow this person to dominate their lives. They feel taken care of because it feels like someone rescued them. It gives them a false sense of safety until or IF they realize what is happening in the relationship. Even with violence in the relationship it’s difficult to leave for many people.
@@Christ_Is_Life10-10 Very well explained… Thank YOU.
lol really
Who are they? The rulers of this world.
THEY = The Hierarchy Enslaving You….THEY are the bankster families, THEY are dark occultists who have enslaved humanity in their beast system aka the false matrix.
People need to wisen up then
Due to the system that promotes psychopaths. We need to change.
Marxists, especially the leaders, are psychopaths. The enemy within. Follow the money... The puppet masters are the UN & national debt fiat monopoly for profit robber banks like our Federal Reserve Bank. It is the 5th plank of the Communist Manifesto. That means that since at least Woodrow Wilson (Lincoln & Marx were contemporaries & a new Republican party was formed in 1848 by communists in Ripon, WI) there has been unlimited "dark money" (monopoly bank fiat currency on the sly) for world communism. CAPITALISM is as big in communist totalitarian countries as anywhere! Except that its not free market & instead is CRONY capitalism, where the State owns (communism) or controls (fascism) the means of production (capital) & is the first to PROFIT. Both fascism & communism are Left Wing totalitarian dictatorshit. The capitalists in fascism & communism are the oligarchs behind the dictator. DEMOCRACY was first proclaimed by Woodrow Wilson to be our form of government, by claiming ww1 was "to make the world safe for democracy" . It is a relatively brief period of mob rule between a republic (law based government) & Anarchy in chaos & rioting, at which point people beg for a dictator. The Bavarian Illuminati (1May1776, "MAY Day", Adam Weishaupt) were also financed by monopoly money (legalized counterfeiting), as was Karl Marx, as it is today in leadershit worldwide.
No. It’s you. People possessed with envy so they need to rationalize their failure by attacking others.
Thank you for this. I have been married to a psychopath for 15 years and am about to divorce him. It took a long time to realise he was a psychopath, not until he had managed to attempt to separate me from my family and friends, stopped my career, wore me down until my mind was lost and I tried to take my life twice. It wasn't until I spoke out to a friend who had experience of psycopaths that everything fell into place. The doctors didn't pick it up, they put his grey rage episodes down to bi polar and this hindered everything. Life with him was vile and I have no intention of ever going back.
There’s some that are easy to pick up on, they’re fearless, outgoing and phoney but I’ve been taken off guard by the “nice”, quieter type, who is lower in status. He spooked me the most, because I didn’t pick up on it until he told me he was diagnosed a sociopath. Upon inquiring, I realized he thought it made him special and superior. They do not at all see it as a deficit. I think it’s possible seeing a therapist helped him learn to blend in better and become much more manipulative. He’s truly a creepy individual.
People think of psychopaths and immediately see the Hollywood stereotype of the violent killer. Then they go back to work for their smooth-talking boss at work, not knowing how they are being used, abused and readied for the axe when they are no longer needed.
Would you say that most psychopaths are at the top of companies surrounding themselves with other psychopaths below them?
Research supports your hypothesis. Company CEOs is the number 1 profession for psychopaths. One in three CEOs is the stat.
There have been studies confirming this. To my mind, psychopaths play a role of intra-species predators. their concentration in 1% or 10% of rich and ruling classes - the process of society stratification currently underway - does not allow any hope for the future of humanity .
Governments too. In America the two are interchangeable.
I’m not sure they would get much of anything done if surrounded with their own kind. They are too self serving. They need individuals with better people skill around them.
@@Clary_SageI've read that they prefer their own kind, as all things do. There are whole villages and even towns of psychopaths. I speculate that those towns are wealthy and historic, where those who have sought wealth and power have lived and bred for generatons.
My sister was diagnosed with something when I was small. I came home from school and mum said that she had taken her to the doctor and he said that I must not play with her alone and that she was not like other girls. Mum put her into nursing when she left school hoping that might cure her but that didn't last long. The last time I saw my sister she was working answering 999 calls. Once when we were walking to school she saw a woman in a phone box and she thought it would be a good idea to push against the door stopping the woman from getting out. Eventually she let her out and the woman slapped her in the face yet my sister laughed hysterically. She also fed her daughter so much that she became so obese she became sterile. My niece has since adopted a girl.
Mike..do you know if she endured any trauma,was adopted or if there were other known psychopathic family members? Please if you can address these 3 questions. I would greatly appreciate your response. Thanks.
@@miraclesforus2 Yes. We were literally ripped from our mother's arms in the 50's because she had the audacity to leave our alcoholic father. We were put into foster care when I was 6 months and she was one and a half years. When I was three our father's new wife came to check up on us and found us being abused and threw Ange into my pushchair and picked me up and took us home to look after us. She had to give up her nursing job but went on to have 3 kids.
I grew up with a family high with narc traits and I believe with a psychopath brother. Now in my 50’s, I realized I had a screwed sense of normal and therefore had a blind spot to people like this, especially when they wore theirs “masks of sanity.” I ended up marrying a guy like this. He was charming, a dream come true during the first few years. I was such a sucker to his mask that I didn’t take seriously the breadcrumb trail of data points that indicated he was leading double lives and doing who knows what the entire 10 years we were together. It took him attempting to ghost me and me conducting a massive investigation to understand who he really was and beginning my quest for education and therapy. Because of the levels of manipulation and duping that happened, I am curious how others have deprogrammed themselves and recovered from the trauma. While I appreciate the speaker’s empathy for these individuals and concern about the lack of treatment available, these people leave a trail of destruction behind them, and sadly there are few professionals who get this damage and offer effective therapy
Many of them dress as doctors, nurses, surgeons.
I feel like They can appear in any job
@@MelE33 most definitely, but they love power
Teachers and support workers
@@Nina94771 odd you just replied about teachers. This morning I went to an estate sale in a high end area of my city. It was a couple in their mid 60s downsizing from their huge home on 3 acres, to a smaller house on 4 acres. The woman was a teacher. She had two rooms scattered with crates filled with new teaching supplies for sale, cheap. Boxes of pencils, sharpies, wipe off supplies, notebooks, binders, sticky notes, staples, sharpeners, on & on. While I was thrilled to make a giant stack of supplies for our own needs, internally I questioned why this teacher had not just donated or left these supplies with other teachers she worked with. We have been told for years schools can't even afford pencils, there are too many needy kids needing supplies... And here they sit being sold at 10% of their value by someone who really didn't need my money.
Fauci comes to mind. Dead eyes. Sold poison that killed people with zero remorse. Financed the Wuhan Institute of Virologi.
Never let your guard down around psychopaths. They bond with no one abd will harm you one day.
"There was something missing in Kathy." ************** John Steinbeck Opening sentence to a chapter in one of his books. I THINK it was "East of Eden," but don't hold me to that -- not sure. ************** To this day, that one sentence helped me to begin to understand the nature of psychopathy better than anything else I've ever read.
The socially important questions are (1) is it treatable? and (2) can it be quickly and reliably diagnosed? If (1) is No and (2) is Yes, we have a fiduciary responsibility to society to diagnose and separate psychopaths from wider society. At a minimum, they should not be eligible for public office.
One cannot treat a psychopath any more than a toaster can be made into a blender. They are hardwired.
Well said.
Can they move in with you?
@@LoveOneAnotherHeSaid Are you deputizing me?
Hi Hitler… Next you will predict damnation…
My son in law is a controlled psychopath, simmering evil beneath a facade of family values…it is clear to me, he is the type that could saw someone’s limbs off without flinching. let’s hope he never acts on what lies beneath his facade
Scary.
Have you talked to your daughter about this
Get away from him. Save your daughter.
@@lwells3937 Unfortunatley she is 100 percent under his spell at the moment ….he provides big time: big house (1.5 mil), big pay check (high six figures)…she looks after the 3 year old daughter…neat and tidy roles…, if he wants her opinion he gives her his…if she ever where to deviate his games would begin….not sure if she is in denial, or it is convenience…it feels like a time bomb. Clear to me he would never let her go, it would reflect negatively on his ego…so she probably would just disappear one day…if she ever does I am 💯certain he would be behind it. How can you discuss this with your daughter while still married? She would accuse me of interference and contaminating her marriage.
Save your daughter
They may have the same meaning technically, but when most people hear the word "psychopath" they think "psychotic" -- someone who's just "nuts" and doesn't know what they're doing. But "sociopath" connotes someone who's coldly amoral who knows exactly what they're doing -- which seems to be what's going on... Also, many sociopaths/psychopaths don't wind up in prison, many of them fly to the top of organizations, becoming CEOs of Fortune 500 companies.
I think DeSantis might be a psychopath. Especially after hearing how he oversaw torture and Guantanamo Bay.
Do you know why that happens, and does that happen for all of them?
@@LoveOneAnotherHeSaid I think a normal person doesn't like the idea of being fake and kissing other people's asses, but psychopaths have no problem doing that. I assume it is also kind of lonely for those at the top, so if they have someone who works for them and seems really interested in them, it makes them more willing to promote them. If you think about it, psychopaths are very good at being parasites, who invade people's lives so they can climb to the top, only to drop them and move to the next subject.
I was diagnosed with personality disorder, dissociative, my twin brother didn't have those problems and became a nurse.
What did you become professionally ?
Many Psychopaths in nursing (see serial killer nurses)
Perhaps your brother is going to turn into one of those serial killer nurses? Working on a caring profession can be a facade to hide in plain sight while having the power to cause serious harm to people who are in a vulnerable state…
The trouble with designing a treatment programme is that the first part is to convince the psychopath that their psychopathy is problematic. You can't do an intervention ON a psychopath without their buy in (just like every physchological issue). So I think that actually humanising the disorder may be a useful first step. Psychopaths, I disagree very slightly, do actually know they are different, and they think they are different in a GOOD way (hence the superiority). If they think they are superior, but they also know that the diagnosis is considered as lower than low, there is a very strong disincentive for a psychopath to engage in any kind of "help" because to do so would be to first degrade themselves in the eyes of the world - something their entire personality is wired to avoid.
Problematic? The rest of you have to deal with petty emotions that can disrupt your life for a long time. Highly emotional, weak and unstable. You want to call us problematic? That's real cute.
Would it help HOW the directive was framed? if you made it seem a heroic thing to do would that ease the nutjob into compliance?
@@Itfeelsmoist highly emotional doesn't make you weak lol but strong du to reselience airhead ! You don't evolve from a close heart but only maintain a superficial human like characteristics to survive and that's a pretty low place to be at lol but whatever flows your boat because in critical times it's the empaths and highly sensitive people that saves people's asses like you !
@@Itfeelsmoist Excellent…
I'm only 9 minutes in but what he hasn't said is that a larger percentage of CEOs and politicians have this trait. Just like criminals, they are drawn to the power dynamic. Brian Klaas has a book, "Corruptible, who gets Power and how it Changes us", that addresses this very issue.
According to Brian Klaas' work, it's five times more likely that such a person attains positions of power.
Because it's old news
@@annastarr2043 Old news maybe, but not everyone knows about, and it's still very relevant to this video.
@@laflines8711Klaas himself has a video on this discussing this subject
Psychopathy may be a neurodevelopmental disorder rather than a personality disorder. Once you have seen it a few times, it’s much easier to pick out. Some signs are lack of anxiety, shallow to no emotionality, fixed locked stare, pragmatic outlook, minimal eyeblinking and lack of heart rate variability.
Sounds like a good stuff to have!
That's a primary psychopath. Borderline psychopaths are vastly different. Higher rates of anxiety, substance abuse, and in some cases violence..
@@andrewsmith3257 is that synonymous with sociopathy?
@@andrewwabik5125 in a lot of ways yes. But I think the truly evil people tend to be Narcissists. The reason for that is because Narcissists really truly don't have the capacity for empathy..A lot of similarities difference being I understand empathy sometimes 😅
@@andrewsmith3257 I’m pretty sure psychopaths are narcasistic. There’s a lot of overlap. Also, psychopathy doesn’t exist in the DSM. It’s called anti-social personality disorder. I think everyone has their own definition of everything.
I have a manager with OCPD, and I have been in support groups for a couple years to help navigate their disorder. An OCPD group member was asking about making the relationship better with his girlfriend. Since he is OCPD he basically over criticizes every little thing about her. (The more comfortable an OCPD person is around a person, the more abusive they become TOWARDS that person... however, they do not think at all that it is abuse. But the fact they know who NOT to abuse seems pretty psychopathic.) He literally said he likes it when his girlfriend cries when he corrects her, because it "feels great" that she cares about him and wants to "win his approval". He doesn't stop to think what she wants at all, only what he wants to change about her. We carried on this thread for 30 posts until I asked him how he would respond if his girlfriend refused to do things his way, because she preferred to them a different way... and it was like it stopped him in his tracks and stopped responding. It's so weird to be that self-absorbed and think of it as a good thing. Like with the OCPD manager at work, they way he insists on doing things is backwards to my core values and basic common sense to me. He will literally stop people from doing great work for a happy client, reassign the project to a more docile employee, micromanage it into his own image (which is a copy of a copy of a copy of entry level work), and then the client will abandon the project out of confusion and exhaustion. He can't see any thing other than his own desires. I've even had clients contact me asking if I can work directly with them in secret because they like my work and how I work with them. They have even tried requesting me for their projects, and he gets upset with me and then assigns me entry level projects and takes the clients projects on as his own. Everything seems to hinge on how they feel about themselves, not others. It's really twisted in some of the less intelligent OCPD people, but sadly the less intelligent an OCPD person is, the MORE intelligent the think they are.
Very deep, interesting summation…
I’ve noticed that many opportunistic murders are committed by persons of pitiful upbringing-they have been shoved thru foster homes, they have been abused, and they have learned how to crime.
The psychopathic individual who does something wrong or illegal and knows it’s wrong and doesn’t care (though this is a result of a psychological deficiency) can’t be handed a pass. The thought process the psychopath has is what makes this individual more dangerous, than the non-psychopath whether or not they take the life of another. They do great damage even when they do not take a life. This is why the law treats these perpetrators ‘harshly’. Rehabilitation, from what I’ve understood is unlikely, just as unlikely as a cure. Improvement seems to be dependent on the rare case where the person desires to change. Mostly they don’t see the need to change as a result of what they did, they can justify it. They will change, i.e lie or manipulate to get out of a situation they don’t find beneficial to them (prison). They do not care or value the principle of ‘good’, in themselves and that leads to negative impacts for others. IMO.
The problem with change in these individuals is that they have no self awareness without which they never see any difficulties within themselves so any problems they may encounter is someone else’s fault never theirs therefore NO change
@@patriciagriffin1505 Yeap. This is the core/root of the problem.Therefore they never should be given another chance as they will never appreciate it.They will take it as a weakness and weapon against the one who trusted them again,and they'll make sure that this time you will be permanently destroyed.Another chance means for them that they got more time to refine the cone as well as to perfect their evil tactics.
" ... They do great damage even when they do not take life . ..." 👍😉. Exactly ! I would only add: " or overtly breach any written or unwritten code of moral, mindful, civilized or merely human human behavior. " Please excuse me for , perhaps, sounding arrogant but I strongly feel they are no " shades" in the permanent medical condition called " psychopathy ". We can not say that person with this medical condition is " quite psychopathic " . Person has this medical condition or person doesn't have it. Medically diagnosed or not medically diagnosed. Period. For : how we do we " measure " all damages ( plural ) one with this unfortunate medical condition violates others or - society in general - in hidden , unnoticed, or passive way ( being quite when need to speak/say/ express opinion, knowledge or doubt, state verbally the immediate need to check or prevent something or someone , etc. No way as to my knowledge. Until too late. I, personally, ( and I know this is pleonasm) feel pretty sad at times ( plural) when I ruminate who is bigger psychopath between the two: the one holding " the chatedrae" or the other, the one on the opposite side of " the chatedrae ". If I would rase a voice and say: " Excuse me, your ... as well as you, your ..., you are both immoral and highly unethical, both of you!" For saying that I would be committing a crime, an act of violence against both of them, I would be insulting their " respectful personas" . What I mean to say is - there is NO middle - ground between good and bad. Has anyone measured in favor of that in the case of permanent and untreatable medical condition
Thankyou Clary, for your concise writings on this. You have summed it up perfectly.
@@sanjakostic5587 I do not believe you are at all correct about this either/or hypothesis. Your arguments here simply do not match reality as I have observed and experienced it. I believe that psychopathy is an extreme version of part of our normal humanity, just as there are extreme versions of ALL other human behaviors. We ALL have some degree of psychopathic tendencies that can become apparent in certain situations, but the vast majority of us are able to control our emotions, thoughts, behaviors and actions sufficiently enough to overcome or at least mitigate these negative tendencies. Problematic levels of psychopathy are something that a small percentage of us are born with, so it cannot be cured. It can only be channeled into something less harmful to the rest of us or constrained by society to protect us from those harms they can do to the rest of us.
Im not convinced of the description of psychopath. I have a family member who I suspect and even though I feel sympathy I also FEEL the evil around that person. They also appear to be the perfect citizen and rise to power. NOT trip up and fail in society.
i think the ones who does well have narcissisme coupled with their psochopathy many people with Personality disorder have more than one disorder narcissisme coupled with psochopathy does well in society especially covert narcissist i have been friends with one they are good at faking empathy and moral compas they are the worst thing in the world the are evil personifyed
So very true!!
Hervey Cleckley seems to have recognized that the real social problems arise no so much from psychopathy as from our tolerance and accommodation of, and alignment with, and outright support of, psychopaths. I see a lot of that in the interviewee’s compromising and apologetic attitudes. To put it lightly, this is socially irresponsible.
Isn't it Antisocial Personality Disorder ? I have never heard of Psychopathic Personality Disorder, but it sounds like we are talking about the same exact thing. My ex was diagnosed with ASPD as well as Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). I remember when my ex received these diagnoses his only concern was that he thought Antisocial meant socially awkward, introverted, not popular, and he is very charismatic and wants everyone to think he is a great guy so as soon as the therapist explained what is meant by antisocial (violates norms of society, lacking in empathy, criminality, etc) he was fine with it as if this was so much better than being unpopular. He was the worst thing to ever happen to me or our children, and we are lucky any of us made it out alive.
I hear you and empathize. I always called them anti-sociopaths, in the same way you would use the term antisocial. Your description of your ex's response is absolutely frameable in its psychopathy. I'm sorry you were fooled at the beginning, likely when you were younger and far less experienced, as we all began, in our abilities to assess people we initially are quite attracted to, either romantically or otherwise. So happy you and your children are now free 🩵
Psychopaths are a subgroup of people within the ASPD spectrum. They are generally speaking more violent, sometimes sadistical. So a psychopath has anti-social personality disorder, but not anyone with an anti-social personality disorder is a psychopath.
Though in the video they say it is the same. So, opinions vary.
You're right: There is no 'Psychopathic Personality Disorder' in the DSM 5 or the ICD 10. The term psychopath definitely is not a clinical term.
I had the same experience
I dated briefly once a man I believe was a psychopath. It was brief thank goodness and it really disturbed me in the aftermath to look back. Subtle things over time - like I noticed he could not drum up sympathy/empathy when I lost my job as what any regular human would do naturally, and certainly one you are in an intimate relationship with, and I had to expressly tell him how horrible it was for me, and it was then he snapped to - as if he recognized ah ha.... this was the time to provide some emotional support - and only then said and did some supportive things. (It was a new relationship and I believe since he wanted it to continue, and get the benefits of intimacy, he was going to do some things to keep the relationship on track.) Also, the lack of actions integrating with his words over time, and over time I recognized and heard from him that he does not trust a human, possibly any. With him revealing over time how he related to his fellow humans - it all was so transactional. In hindsight I felt like prey. I could go over a host of instances where I witnessed almost an A.I. human, it is disturbing but suffice it to say, as humans, we recognize other's humanity and when it isn't there, it will be a shock once you are safely out of what I would say could have been a dangerous place.
Can’t fake empathy (cognitive empathy, yes, but true empathy, no! Glad you got out!)
Glad you're out. You have great life saving instincts and awareness 👍
Hi Chiara, so glad you escaped unharmed. I was married to a guy who I believe was a psychopath or at the very least was full blown covert NPD. At times I was fearful for my life, and I was also afraid to leave as I was scared how he would react. After going through cancer during which he offered no support/empathy I found the courage to leave. We've now been separated for five years, it's taken me a long time to recover from the psychological abuse. Thankfully, despite having cancer recurrence, I'm doing well now. For me it's been a hard lesson in learning to love and respec myself but the experience has has also made me very wary about being able to trust anyone again.
@@anndevlin7411 to be fair, it was a short enough thing, I thought we'd be pursuing a relationship whereas he got me into a situationship - I never was scared of him during those months. But things were just not adding up. However, we still didn't know each other that well, it was only about 5 months total. But his toxic manipulations to keep me engaged became quite apparent upon reflection. No integrity, actions never matched words. To the point where it was astonishing. And then after it was long over, he reached out to reconnect, which I ignored. By then I was fully creeped out on this person, based upon me doing a deep dive into the literature and trying to make sense of what I had experienced. It was for a full year after that, he was an online lurker of my social media.
Best wishes in your recovery. Thank you 🌸🌻🌺
The woman I chose to marry eventually showed her true colors... she started yelling at our kids for no reason, she tried to kill me, she cheated, stole, slandered me..destroyed my lifes work and family . it took therapy for myself finally after nearly suicide. Unreal what life teaches us. btw, she has never been held accountable since 2003. disgusting that she gained full custody and torchered our kids.
A good example of the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath is , the sociopath will have a bar brawl. But the psychopath will come back a week later and kill you
It seems the psychopath creates the sociopath. At least, in my experience. I'm not sure which of my brothers is more dangerous Thank God, one left the State!
Naw, a sociopath will also come back a week later and kill you too. Depends on the sociopath. Psychopaths lack emotions, sociopaths have the negative ons.
The psychopath will come back a week later and burn down the bar
Not at all. There are more non violent psychopathic people than malignant psychopathy. I'm dating a person with non malignant psychopathym extremely smart, capable, reliable and safe.
Psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made…
This was honestly one of the best explanations on this topic that I've seen. Thank you for sharing this excellent interview with us.
Extremely interesting how Stephen depicts psychopaths as human beings and actually to be pitied while most people think of them as inhuman monsters. I tend to think of them as inhuman....but now I have a different perspective.
Can you explain more regarding your view, please?
It is tempting to dehumanize them as making empathy a necessary feature of a "real" human being. But it is not a necessary feature. If we, for instance, test everyone to find psychopaths....at what measure of empathy do we award humanhood? Do many total psychopaths live their lives and never murder or even cause grievous harm? Probably.
Oh they still cause trouble, but it's just under the radar stuff. Like bullying, manipulation, starting an affair with their coworker and ruining their marriage, running a red light and almost causing a car accident, getting a rich husband and buying themselves a nice lambo to take a date out on (which, shhh, the husband nor the date know about the other), etc. All "legal" in the realm of goodness. Now is it moral? No. A psychopath child, for example, would see their teacher leave the classroom, (they are in the classroom during recess because of detention so all the other students are outside). Once the teacher leaves the classroom for a moment, the psychopath child would get up and (methodically) lock the door so the teacher could not get back in. The teacher would return and say through the side window "This isn't funny. Open the door now!" This would go on for 30 to 40 minutes, the psychopath saying nothing but inside smiling at the chaos. This would go on until another staff member got a key and let the teacher and other students in. (who are long past recess time). A teenage psychopath meanwhile might join the football team and date the head cheerleader. He might then, uh, well, she ends up pregnant, and he breaks up with her. Whoopsies. She then ends up a single mom in a small town working as a waitress for the next 20 years to raise their child alone. He, meanwhile, then goes off to college, and parties and has the time of his life. He dates other women, getting them pregnant too. He then leaves them in the dust once they tell him he is going to be a dad. An adult psychopath might become the CEO or general manager of a company and then just fire a whole bunch of people when the company doesn't need to. (Not necessary, and actually causes more trouble because there are now less workers and still more work). The psychopath will then refuse to hire anybody, saying it's for the company's benefit. They might also have an affair with their married secretary. He then invites the secretary's husband one day and he sees the truth. The husband divorces the secretary and she thinks she will be with CEO now, but he refuses. He even fires her after they break up. She then goes in a drinking phase, until she has to move back in with her parents at age 40 because she has to go to therapy now. ^All legal, just not very nice. This is how the "good" ones hunt. The illegal ones become cereal killaz, r*p ettes, etc. The legal ones just mess up other people's lives for fun.
Video: Psychopath Expert Explains How to Spot a Psychopath - Dr Kevin Dutton 28:30 I'd say 20 points and up is people you should be wary of. Also, the guy with the sneakers and no glasses clearly scored way higher than his friend but just said his total was similar to seem more normal. Btw, I scored a 5. My ex scored 30.
I just finished watching the original Gossip Girl 6 series DVD box set. It is a far better portrayal of cluster b personalities (antisocial, narcissist, dark triad etc), than Succession. And it portrays those both scheming and climbing up the high society ladder, those pushing others out of the elite clique, and those who operate anti socially within it. Ultimately it shows why these dark triad personality/societal systems work. The benefits far exceed their moral indifference to anything that is not in service of their needs and goals. Toxic, but with better food, style, comfort, opportunities, thrills, and when challenges threaten them, they ‘circle the wagons’. 100% collective and exclusive self interest.
Here's a red flag that will tell u someone is a psycho; when the thought crosses your mind that this is the most selfish person I've ever seen, it's time to run.
That’s a narc/bpd. Psychopath likes to give. Giving is more powerful than not sharing or even taking. Giving makes people reliant on you. And psychopaths like to control, so perfect recipe
They are very bored and lazy People. Lack of empathy does this. No joy .
"Mommy Dearest"
Psychopaths are social predators !!!
It is genetic…..My two children followed their psychopathic father in their world view…..Their father also created the lack of nurture environment…… Their father is extremely charismatic and very wealthy it was easy for him to foster corruption in them…..I had to leave, my life was in danger, I still have to be very careful and set strong boundaries…. That is not always a safe guard…🤞🏻….I am 72 and it is still very much a danger…..
Psychologist have be dragging their feet and covering on this subject. There are WAY more psychopaths than Psychologist are willing to admit.
Bingo. I'd say 1 in 20.
@@specialtwice4975 I would say 35% of the world population …. If this was known to society, banks would not be able to grant loans to a lot of people, so society has a way of covering it up….
In the absence of connection you have domination.
Right
Amen bro.
Depends on what each person wants in the relationship, we all build walls, to get what we want…. ((usually sex))
Its not a disadvantage to be a psychopath. There’s a huge advantage to go into everything as if it’s a contest and you will do anything to destroy whoever gets in the way. They get joy from watching the results: pain, confusion, and ruined relationships. Connecting is never what they do because nobody is good enough. And my ex is very successful. He found a job where his bonus depended on getting staff to work harder. He can help himself but he’d rather screw over everyone, since he’s always bored so manipulating is his life. Oh, and even though he’s a bully he’s also a pussy.
Sounds like Kira of deathnote, typical sociopath iirc
Yeah, psychopaths can dish it out, but they can't take it. It's like a really bad case of little man syndrome. Psychopathy is a disadvantage to the rest of the world, since winning is more important than creating actual value, so we lose a lot of great contributions from talented people because a psychopath needed to feel special.
Narcissists are the actual issue.
I'm kind of envied the successful ones among them but it's hard to actually manipulate your own core. Oh, also I love the last line.
An advantage in life? How do you measure success? If power and wealth are your only criteria, then being a psychopath will help you get there. Personally I see excessive power and wealth as failure, since there is no satiation, no off switch and no imagination to allow the discovery of the many riches of life that are available to those who know when they have enough.
Great interview. Thanks for sharing.
Recomend read: Bradshaw - Walker - miller.
I had a chief in the navy that i honestly believe was a psychopath
Interesting comment. May I asked when you served?
@@chrismuckley9420 The USS Abraham Lincoln.
Pity is correct in that they’re incapable of understanding human emotion above the fear rage envy level & thus they cannot ever be trusted by the rest of us
They just will not accept emotions, period…
How does psychopathy explain the killing of "non-believers' by religious extremists who claim their killing people is the "will of god" but the act itself is no different from that of a psychopath and they show no reflection on what they just did, in other words they seem detached from they just did..
My guess is that that would depend on the person. Some people may actually think they’re doing the right thing, others may be using that logic to get some sadistic kick.
@@areuarealman7269 hey bud, you sound like you have a lot going on.
I do believe religion is just a mask a cover to hide in some will meaning religious communities. Not all. Many today doing there own things. Toxic and abusive.
@@andrewwabik5125Either way, they are narcissistic enough to think 1) God is giving them directions and 2) that gives them license to do whatever they think, regardless of consequences.
@@GrandmaCathy right, but the question is whether they actually believe that, or they’re using it as a guise for selfish ends. Notably, power. If so, that’s very much in line with psychopathy.
They actually aren't very troubled and tortured, and most of them logically know very well that what they do is wrong when they hurt people. Yet they do it because they don't have morals. Those sociopathic people who have some sort of morals and do not want to do evil chose to not actively hurt people, even though they indirectly do anyway as they're rather callous and indifferent emotionally. But the level of hurt they cause is much much lower. So there is absolutely agency and choice even among sociopaths.
Are you saying if I see someone coughing badly because of smoking cigarettes I should care???
Robert Hare defines sociopathy differently. Using the example of the QT movie “Reservoir Dogs”, he characterized the overt sadist (genetic) as a psychopath but Harvey Keitel’s character (developmental) as just a hard-boiled normal person whose circumstances pushed him into a life of crime. For a less extreme example of sociopathy, think of the cartoon characters Beavis & Butthead.
They have an advantage; they won’t hesitate to do what they have to do to get ahead. Beware.
I know someone who’s grandfather was very cold never showed emotion and was cruel, didn’t bother him to see someone hurt, was im sure he was a psychopath and the person I know seems to have a very similar callous way of experiencing life, he hears someone died and his response is no emotion the same as if he heard a weather report very disturbing can’t trust those people
Awesome podcast! I tried to apply this to myself, and I really feel this. Helping others really helps myself a lot.
Thank you for this amazing content! #sfualumni Simon Fraser University is the best!
This was by far the best explanation on this topic I've seen yet. Thanks to both of you
Can anyone give us the timestamp for when they begin talking about Donald Trump? Unless they don't talk about particular individuals at all I noticed in the transcript at the beginning two were mentioned but they are both dead so....
When young people first experiment with alcohol two types surface. The silly stupid type and the overbearing and violent type. I've always wondered if the overbearing violent type were budding psychopathic personality disorder. The overbearing violent type were also juvenile delinquents involved with the criminal justice system.
Heineken or rolling rock?;
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I think that the situational psychopath ought to be examined such as fanatics of any stripe
This is an excellent presentation.
I would disagree with his definition of, and distinction between, pyschopathy vs. sociopathy. The difference is that one is born with a psychopathic brain (where the limbic system, responsible for emotional processing is not making the right connections to the frontal lobe, or executive brain); and depending on one's environment growing up, that type of brain may or may not result in violent/harmful psychopathic tendencies or a personality disorder (i.e. serial killer behavior). Sociopaths may be born with perfectly integrated brains, where there is a strong (maybe too strong) linkage between the temporal lobe/limbic system (where emotions occur) and the frontal lobe, but they largely grow up in abusive households or were exposed to serious and/or consistent abuse or trauma in their early environment and they end up with a developmental disorder, or personality disorder (sociopathy). The first, psychopathy, is genetic, but not everyone born with a psychopathic brain will develop harmful or violent tendencies, but they still don't process emotions very well. The second is largely environmentally imposed and is a developmental disorder in response to early-life trauma; the latter might process emotions but too strongly and/or violently and impose that on the outer world.
Great show. Thank you.
Very good interview. Thank you.
Either or nature and nurture, the society does provide fertile ground for psychopathology. A person could be born with a propensity toward psychopathology and the environment may propel them into a full blown psychopath. One way to eliminate psychopaths is to eliminate it from the society and it's institutions. This would be a huge and difficult change but it would go a long way into transforming society into a truly civilized people who live together and agree to cooperate and abide by agreed laws and uniformly accept responsibility as their fundamental foundation, responsibility for themselves and for each other.
They’re an entire tribe
Very psychopath is different depending on personality. Fine line of defining one. It’s a spectrum also a personality spectrum
What's with the triangles?
They work better in pairs. Pitted against 1. A TRAUMA/ Terrorist Trio. Tag Team.
Loved listening, I’ve realised I have a lot of judgement, about others, what makes them tick, how lucky am I to have a loving heart❤️
I'm a diagnosed psychopath and 2 things I can tell you is number 1 they are not always fully aware of the rights n wrongs they commit,not when thier at thier worst,and number 2 is the fact that 1 of the best ways to help someone with this disorder is just counselling, cause you have to realize that they're full of anger they have to unload somehow,and they feel profoundly rejected by society.
1% of the worlds population = 6.6,ooo,ooo to 8,000,000 people. Blimey!
I’ve heard of a neurosurgeon who took part in his own study and found that he was .. they actually make great brain surgeons .. I think w any mental disorders it has various degrees and extremes . 😵💫
I heard same story....One of the many brain scans he was studying appeared as a brain of a psychopath.He discovered while after it was his own brain scan.
Yes, true. A psychopathic surgeon would stay calm in highly stressed situations, so I guess I rather have someone like that operate me. I think the surgeon you're talking about is James Fallon. He also said he had borderline to, so I think he's probably a secondary one.
Fallon is not a surgein but a psycholigist
@@SubRosa33 you can’t even spell surgeon or phycologist correctly 😵💫
@@victoriavitoroulis3273 its my keyboard not me
Having any empathy for these people will get you killed unprovoked I loved it My son was born this way My husband is also willing to murder I disagree Never turn your back or close your eyes around them
David Wood is a self admitted psychopath. His testimony is on KZhead and it’s fascinating. He knew he was and always wanted to hurt people. He was in prison for attempted murder and had an religious conversion. He is now a Christian apologist and is still a psychopath but has no desire to hurt anyone now. He describes the trait very well in his testimony.
This idea of "managing" psycopathy makes no sense as they would need to be motivated to improve. If someone is psychopathic, how would the needed impetus to improve occur?
What about the military? Can people be trained to be psychopaths? Not caring about torturing and killing people.
Even the Main Role Model of the bible promotes messed up thought processes, of course social organizations can.
it's called desensitization. Some will retain their humanely psyche, some others would not, might be from the horrors of their duty or being one from the start.
I imagine those who can't be desensitized have PTSD.
Definitely!
I think we may be seeing this in the Q°A'NON "Cult".
They are your TV...
Subscribing. I'm so pleased to encounter Mary Ito again! A breath of "Fresh Air".
book recommendation: 15:17 Robert Hare "Without Conscious"
Psychopaths are predatory by nature. Prey is at a disadvantage.
Great thanks!
On what planet is “psychopathic personality disorder” an actual diagnosis? This whole discussion needs to be prefaced with where that term is used (perhaps academia only, but even then that 3-word label is highly unlikely to be widespread in academia.). The casual use of this descriptor only serves to confuse the public more. And on what planet is *psychopathy* viewed as a “disorder of the mind” (versus a developmental disorder that originated in brain tissue function) whereas the previously used term “sociopathy” a “social disorder”. Again, all this loose language will only confuse the public more. Maybe the interview was unscripted and went rogue and imprecise, but I’d be careful not to that on the future. A confused and/or misinformed public will not behave like an educated one. The details about forensic cases, more his wheelhouse, was interesting though. With correct and precise prefacing, this would have been a good talk.
I've raised my eyebrows too, more than once.
For them to change the patterns of behaviours they would have to realise and admit they are wrong.If you are convicted that you are right and the rest of the world operates like you do,whay would you feel a need to change it?You wouldn't,nobody would.For what?It wouldn't make any sense. And this is why they don't change anything about themselves. To care about self,body, there need to be a soul.The soul have the body not the other way around.The conclusion is if there is no soul then there is nobody to care about,self, body( lungs cancer that prisoner suffered as an example in the video above). These "people" are creatures without souls.Therefore they need others to feel pain as they feed on it feeling alive sucking out life from the real humen who has soul.They suck in a human soul to feel alive.Therefore when they are discarded and person gets energy(soul) back for good....they die inide.
You are describing my ex girlfriend! This is exactly how she acts and thinks and talks and sees other people including me ! Thinks she’s superior to everyone around her..
Just about everyone in this world of hypocrisy ! We are now living in a self destructive lifestyle. How is any of that sane?
You just said you cant change it!
Great question... triangles?
And I would like to know who the psychopath is that has held me against my will as a prisoner inside my own home for 6 years now. Anyone that does not help me has no conscience.
A better way way to think about Sociopathy is on a spectrum: NarcissismNonhuman
Excellent., Thank you! So tough to watch and observe these people. I. Daily life.. and many of Them do refuse HELP…
for years I thought I was in a relationship with a Narcissist until they got into trouble with the law, and I discovered their entire criminal record, starting from a young age smashing up their own school and smearing it in their own faces, progressing to robbing people's home's, shops car's motorcycles. SA on young teenage girls & domestic violence. Knife crime and attempted murder. I knew none of this during the relationship. He was a home owner of a very beautiful property no mortgage nice car dressed beautifully. He never laid a hand on me during the relationship, but his treatment of me was confusing disturbing and disgusting, but somehow he was able to make me feel that I was the biggest problem he'd ever had.
"It's a handicap in life to be psychopathic". A lot of psychopaths would disagree with that statement and they might be right. There's evidence it's more an adaptive trait than a disorder as it's sometimes referred to as the "warrior gene". In the dangerous and violent world of our ancestors, psychopaths and their mates/offspring probably had a survival advantage. That doesn't mean it isn't highly maladaptive in our modern and less violent world.
Maybe for the prisoner who contracted lung cancer the thought of just being able to spend his final days out of prison trumped the fact that he was going to die. I don't find this shocking at all but a fairly logical attitude. Maybe prison was so awful for him/her.
Would the combination of marfan syndrome and ehlers danlos syndrome cause this?
That's exactly the question I have, TreeLynn.T. I can't prove I have the latter. But, my older bro has Marfan's; + he got the Doubled Whammy of All of Dad's WWII TRAUMAS! Making him some kinda Trum|b Goombah (near psychopath) out of him. Certainly, more Aggressive and Antagonistic than most druggie/ drunks.
This video is somewhat misleading. There’s isn’t such thing as psychopathic personality disorder. Its actually called antisocial personality disorder as the DSM-V (diagnostic statistical manual of mental disorders) refers to. Second of all Idk how old this video is but there’s a lot of research especially in Canada and USA where they’ve found out lots of deficiencies in their brain and hence why they act that way. Third if people were as empathic as they present themselves they wouldn’t be so quick to judge others, that’s the reason anyone with this “illness” is the way they are because of “society” being perfect while in reality is just a bunch of hypocrites. Research: Hervey Cleckley Kevin Dutton Robert Hare Kent Keihl
Has anyone ever tried to do psilocybin treatment with a professional guide supervising?
I've never been one to feel a 'soft spot' for those with psychopathy. There is no known treatment and those afflicted don't see their condition as a deficit, so where is the benefit to us of inviting them into our lives?
What the hell? There is NO diagnosis of psychopathic personality disorder. Psychopath is just a descriptive term, and the closest thing that there is to a diagnosis is antisocial personality disorder. But that’s not exactly it.
The behaviour panels Scott Rouse as well as the rest of the behaviour panel have fine tuned body language analysis video content on all types of videos including some notorious psychopaths.
Big topic. I don't think I agree with the expert. 1. A psychopath is someone who is born without emotional empathy, a sociopath is someone who is conditioned to behave as if they don't have emotional empathy in certain situations. This usually involves an 'in' group and an 'out' group. Human history is replete with examples of this kind of sociopathy. Most of the people who implemented the will of the mass murderers throughout history had emotional empathy, and were conditioned to channel it only to the 'in' group. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, mohammed [7], etc. Many of the jihadis in the cult of islam who casually or ritually kill people for allah actually have emotional empathy, but they apply it only to fellow cult members. If you investigate the scriptures of the cult of islam, you will find that they have characteristics that make them a sociopath training manual. 2. Cognitive ability / intelligence has a lot to do with the outcome of their lives. It determines the divide between high functioning psychopaths (leaders and economically successful) and low functioning psychopaths (the people in gangs and prisons). If you want to find high functioning psychopaths, it is only necessary to go to one of the top MBA schools. There will be many of them there. The research doctor who accidentally examined his own MRI, and classified himself as a psychopath points to other careers where a lack of empathy is prevalent, and beneficial. Surgeons, generals, CEOs, wherever decisions have to be made without empathy in order to be successful. For instance, I would classify George Soros as a psychopath, because of the way he made his money. And studies have shown a very high prevalence of psychopaths on Wall Street. 3. Are psychopaths human? I don't think so. High functioning psychopaths are like crocodiles wearing suits. Low functioning psychopaths are like cats, finding pleasure in hurting others. One of the surest signs of psychopathy in young children is torturing animals without any kind of remorse (no emotional empathy). Being human is defined by being cooperative, by harmonious social interaction. Evolution bred that into us via small tribal groups, where our survival depended on those around us. Can you imagine a society of psychopaths? Phew! Sure, small numbers can prosper by preying on the empathic, but they could never build a complex society. 4. Psychopaths know they are different, because they have intellectual empathy. The high functioning psychopath learns to fake emotional empathy. Because they aren't subject to emotional empathy, they are extremely skilled manipulators; they recognize the buttons to push in their victims, but don't have any buttons to push themselves. In fact I have read writings by psychopaths that they consider the rest of us inferior, and breed to heighten the likelihood of the trait in their children. The long lasting business dynasties probably are a consequence of this. 5. It isn't all or nothing. Someone else said it falls on a spectrum, and I agree. There are the highly sensitive, and there are the psychopaths. Most of us are somewhere in the middle. This is probably because, as the guest said, it depends on multiple genes, and they are probably recessive. As I said above, psychopathy would not have survived if the genes for it were dominant. Can you imagine psychopathic mothers? The definition of effective motherhood is placing the welfare of someone else above your own. 6. Psychopaths are selfish. Look at Mr Kim in North Korea. His behavior says that any amount of suffering by others is not worth any suffering by him. He shot a concert conductor because he was unhappy with a performance. His people starve while he lives in luxury; he could change that situation, but the cost would be in his power and pleasure. 7. If you doubt that mohammed was a psychopath, I recommend you go view some of the videos on the nabi asli channel. He is an ex-muslim who takes stories from the scriptures of islam and creates videos of them. Not for the squeamish. Another channel that has content about mohammed is that of lloyd de jongh. He investigates the scriptures that the masjids, the islamic scholars who usurped control of islam about 1000 years ago study to train, and exposes their darker teachings, at least as far as unbelievers are concerned.
let's not leave out the cult of christianity
@@bongofury333 I don't consider christianity to be a cult. Certainly, there have been christians who have done terrible things in the name of christianity, including cult like behavior, but their actions were not in accordance with the scriptures of christianity. When I say that, I mean primarily the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. However, in islam, the actual scriptures, and the religion as it is practiced, do have cult like characteristics. Islam teaches that those who leave islam should be killed (right from the lips of the prophet of islam). [1] And it teaches that those who criticize or question islam should be killed [2]. Can an organization have these characteristics without being a cult? I think not. There are many other differences between christianity and islam, This is not the place to discuss them. If you want to investigate them, some channels on youtube have more (I am not affiliated with any of these). lloyd de jongh (explains the official masjid scriptures), nabi asli (videos of scriptural stories), pfanderfilms (points out discrepancies in the official islamic narrative), nuriyah khan and harris sultan (ex muslims who comment on islam as it is actually practiced today). There is a free book on the web by Stephen Shoemaker, 'Creating the Qur'an a Historical Critical Study', that explores where the koran came from. I don't recommend that unbelievers learn about islam from muslims, because of the concept of hiyal. This is a religious requirement upon members of the cult that they lie in order to protect the reputation of the cult, and further its goal, that goal being the complete control of the world by the cult of islam. 1. Even in the least adherent islamic societies, approximately one in seven believe that apostates should be killed. And in the most adherent societies? North of 80%. 2. Pakistan has this in its code of law, and it applies to unbelievers as well.
Maybe islam is a younger cult than christianity and it's in an inquisition phase. I understand a cult to exist when there is a person in control and they know it's nonsense, like a pope, or jim jones and the people's temple.
I'm not sure if it is genetic. I don't think any genes have been found that are linked. Epigenetic? Developmental?
@@mrbroccoli7395 It is probably like the genes for alzheimers. Many of them, and the severity of the condition is determined by the combination someone receives. I would also agree with the epigenetic factor. Nature and nurture, almost certainly. But there are people who undergo horrific abuse, and don't become psychopaths. And there are people who just naturally express psychopathy without any exposure to abuse, a normal childhood. I've read of studies that agree with you that we all have the potential to be psychopaths, but there are many that disagree. I am in the disagree camp. The condition exists, and occurs, so there must be a cause, and since it isn't reversible, there has to be a genetic component; there is no known treatment for severe psychopathy. High functioning psychopaths usually have high executive function, which is correlated strongly with cognitive ability / intelligence. They mask their psychopathy because they figure out that they will have better life outcomes if they do. I have read nothing that examines whether high functioning psychopaths express their psychopathy more openly when it becomes *safe* to do so. For instance, did Mr Kim appear mostly normal until he came into his position of power as a dictator? I expect so. But is that a normal or abnormal progression?
They can not change. They can not change them behaviours. They are a different kind of living creature, a litle far of we expecting of a human.
Why say you need to help psychos stay alive? Help everyone else survive them first. That said I am open to learning more about this topic. Ty
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Lions, sharks, raptors, poisonous snakes, and psychopaths etc, don’t have a deficiency. They have talents/abilities that help them survive. They have NO CONSCIENCE combined with a knack for lying and manipulation. A deadly combination😂
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😒 I grew up with almost we were in foster homes children home. Vary violent surroundings. But we so different 😢
What if... and hear me out... We dig a really deep hole, right, or maybe use an active volcano... and then we tell the psychopaths how important they are and that they won an IQ contest, and then we fly them over the volcano and drop them in?
Fascist comes too mind .
Some of them need help and the rest need to be held accountable ! There will always be psychos in society and the best way to keep them " in check " is to teach social responsibility by calling them out but first thing first people need to learn about theses profiles and above all to SPOT THEM !
Funding is futile. Research has already determined that the brain function in these people is flawed. And the individual refuses to see that they need to change. Nor do they want to. Rigidity is the key word here. They enjoy the pain they inflict on others.
Don't have sympathy for psychopaths. They do not partake, and if you include them, gladly, they will use your sympathy to sabotage you. Instead, develop a way of protecting your boundaries and prevent triggering them into attacking you. Sympathy is blood in the water to a shark. Please don't let mental health people trick you into allowing or excusing evil. We already have enough pastors and religious people pushing that mess. Accountability is protection for the vulnerable among us.
I wrote my comment above early in the video. He became more clear later in the video, he isn't saying that, but I'm still very exhausted from my life... so I'll leave my comment in case it'll help someone. Great host and expert. Good show, thanks.