AI just replaced us with Devin... seriously? Dr Chuck!
Did the Devin AI just replace us and become the first fully autonomous AI software engineer? Dr Chuck tells us if this is fact or hype.
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dude. AI programmers are not to replace people who make new ideas. it is to replace people who do repetitive already existing work and that is 80% of the programming jobs. get ready for millions of job losses soon or later.
@@amazingdude9042so basically Ansible with a few extra features? I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment.
🎉🎉 Because of money... to make it faster... YES AI can replace many professions, this process has already begun... 🎉🎉😂 BUT there are very few people which can get that if companies will replace humans with AI machines, then people could not get salary, so they can not buy products which means that companies themselves will be bankrupt. 😂 GOAL of tons of AI tools for them is just to do it faster until someone does... to get money faster until burning of the coming AI crisis in the world.
No country for old men
I thought this guest seemed so familiar. I just realized Dr Chuck was my SQL and relational database professor at Michigan. Glad to see another discussion from you Dr!
You are one lucky chap!!
I took his python course in coursera may be 7 or 8 years ago.
Yeah, that guy is a legend
Yeah I also think it’s teachers saying AI won’t replace off. Yea . Everyone just chasing their own bottom line. I am sorry but I think the truth is more with Nvidia than professors even though the answer is in the middle
@@oniseikeji6023 I think Dr. Chuck offered the answer in the middle.
In a nutshell, they are lying for financial gain. "fake it till you make it" All sounds very "Theranos, Elizabeth Holmes"
I think a lot of people would agree with you on that.
Because it is.. and the only people not worried are actual programmers..
You're goddamn right!
They should be more ethical like Pfizer.
have to laugh that the ppl saying "fake it till you make it" are usually the ones that base their reputation on material items... things they didn't have at first and now judge everyone that doesn't have em. ...So you lie until you get on top and I'm suppose to trust you??? lol.
I'm in AI/ML career for 8 years and I learnt Python Programming 8 years back from Dr. Chuck. Whatever he criticizes about AI is true, hype is hype, humans are not yet replaceable!
Yet…
Yet . . .
Yep, yet! But a long way to go. Needs a revolutionary breakthrough. Not by simply coming up with bigger and bigger text generation models. Something groundbreaking in fundamental AI decision making (beyond artificial neurons)
Like Nvidias new hardware ?
Tell the corporations replacing people with AI that.. Even if it isn't good enough they want to make bigger profits.
This video is absolute gold and needs to be watched by all programmers. Good stuff.
Love getting Dr Chuck on the channel!
Sharing it with my friends and interested family
Oh yeah ! I am doing my part sharing it with my fellow programmers and also to subscribe to this great and useful channel
Pure Copium. Forget the ceos. You all believe that it will stay the same and will not grow and become better? Devin most likely uses Gpt4. Gpt5 and gemini 2.0 will come out EOY. And that will happen every year and the next and the next. Training is getting cheaper exponentially. New AIs are coming out, fluid, active inference, vjepa and many more. And if you still doubt ask the digital design vfx and 3d designers. Don think of now but in a year or two from now.
Yes
one key thing I've realized is that software development is way more than just writing code - it's figuring out the logic with all that it implies. And most people absolutely despise this task. No-code solutions have been out there for very long now, but some one needs to tell the machine what is it going to do.
its always the fundamentals and you can literally move the mountain as you please.
@@nathannyawaya 100%. That's what an engineering degree should give you, yet most people thinks that a sw engineer is just a guy that writes code.
These "machines" are not just going to be limited to writing codes. I hope you understand that they are building intelligence that can generalise. Gpt5 is going to get released most likely before the EOY, and the update is all about multimodality, planning and reasoning. Let's just wait till then before we make any assumption. Release of this model will make a lots of things clear for everyone.
Please can you use grammar correctly so we can better understand what you want to convey. Sentences start with capitals for a reason, thank you.
@@nathannyawayalike correct use of grammar?
The most eye-opening conversation on tech I've listened to in a long time! Thanks for that.
"Learn fewer things, but learn them better. Take the time to learn them deeply so that when you're being advised, you'll know how to [process] that advice. So you can separate good advice from bad advice" This will stick with me forever. Thank you
very deep indeed
I'm afraid this approach won't works in all the cases. At least not at your carrier begin. You can deeaply study what ever you like best as your hobby, but to achieve optimal income, you should know what the market needs to use.
Dr. Chuck is brilliant and what he is saying about Co-pilots is certainly where the smart AI people and companies across various industries are looking right now.
Love getting his advice and perspective on things like this. Too much noise at the moment - great to hear what he says about all of this.
Idk but hesitate when it comes to Microsoft's Copilot... its like I refused the special app they have for authentication but knowing Gates as I know anyone (we used to bet on which company he would buy next:). The thing Bill is really good at is building monopolies. My RSA was not good enough, or my Google authenticator, in the back of my mind Im thinking W.H.O. "Contact Tracing", and using Bluetooth to know, where you have been and who you have been with... Think about that's TMI, Im sorry guess Im cancelled from LinkedIn now but If they can live with it I can live without it.
@@davidbombalIdk when it comes to Microsoft CoPilot, LinkedIn insist that I use their authenticator, my RSA or my Google Authenticator not good enough... Im thinking WHO, "Contact Tracing", Bluetooth recording everywhere you have been, and who you have been there with. Whoa, TMI. Thanks but no thanks.
@@davidbombalIdk when it comes to Microsoft CoPilot, LinkedIn insist that I use their authenticator, my RSA or my Google Authenticator not good enough... Im thinking WHO, "Contact Tracing", Bluetooth recording everywhere you have been, and who you have been there with. Whoa, TMI. Thanks but no thanks.
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This is a good show. I’m a programmer now for over 20 years and totally agree. Understand concepts and expand your immagination!
OK, but how do I "expand your immagination"? I can't even imagen how to do that. :D
Another great video David. Thanks for providing so many links. It makes it so much more resourceful.
Dr Chuck, can't just love you enough, you are such a great inspiration in the programming world, your works has helped me so much in my career, you are such a beautiful soul, greetings from Nigeria
Pointers why situation is scary: 1. There is speed factor. A new joiner will take months to become comfortable with any product's stack while AI can just start fixing bugs/ implementing features in seconds/ minutes. 2. 99% of software jobs are similar/ mundane and Devin or Autodev can do everything. 3. The speed at AI has progressed in last 10 years.
NVIDIA is the company that is hiring the highest number of programmers to develop their platform!!!
But there is no need to program they say! 😂
To play devil’s advocate, this is exactly why replacing programmers, or at least as many programming tasks as possible is the number one priority for AI companies. No other AI use case gives them more leverage over their competitors. And if achieved, it gives them the ability to dominate new markets. So whether they believe it to be possible or not, you can bet it’s the target they’re aiming for.
@@davidbombalso your saying you don’t understand this technology 😂
You can build a variety of bots, even bots that are very good at multipurpose, and as working in the Nvidia environment (even built a DGX clone), its impressive to cluster the clusters the gpu's the Cuda and Tensors and it just works. Maybe I'm just too easily impressed perhaps but things are happening so quickly, its more than mimicking. Perhaps to understand they are providing creative solutions you might want to work with these LLM's a bit. Sure there are things they are not perfect, they are stuck within their matrix... They cant feel gravity, they can't smell... But they are very good at what they do and getting better... Fast. Actually what I'm trying to say is I'm dyslexic very bad speller and ever worse coder but Ive been allowed to work on some rather advanced projects because I do understand code. I just write it upside down and backwards, it works for me ;)
@@davidbombalway to put words in his mouth. Watch the full interview. He said kids won't need to learn to program. 10 year old today at 22 would come out of college. That's 12 years from now. You all are thinking Devin and gpt pilot and many more will stay the same for the next 12 years.
I’ve been using it to help when I get stuck learning pen testing. Given me some really good processes and models to apply.
It helps me with testing and regex
Dr Chuck has been a huge inspiration to me. He's one of the reasons I never gave up on learning Python.
There is also the fact that companies are hiring developers to fine tune AIs suggested source code. When I program and see this "Word clip goes to programming" assistant I know the suggestion is actually from a master programmer. It is like having Stack Overflow looking at my code and bringing me only the highest scored solutions. Awesome talk ! You got another subscriber David. You have been doing an amazing work ! Thanks 👍
How has Stack Overflow adopted AI thanks ?
Glad you two are talking about this, Eli the computer guy had a similar take on the whole nvidia "do not learn to code" case in some daily blob from a week ago. Since then i am always cringing when reading some video/article titles from high media outlets who tacle that exact statment. Dr Chuck is great as always, learned a lot about web apps from him ^^
I agree 100%. I learned Python with dr Chuck and I am now programming a Django AI-powered LMS and TSS (with open-source LlMs). I do think that you have to understand how things work before you use them. AI is a tool only, you are in charge but it gives you the time to be much more creative. The idea is true for all kinds of domains. Thank you
Boeing 737 Max anyone, where the s/w was written by 'developers' @ $8 ph in a country I will not mention.
It’s intriguing how you’re the frog in the slowly boiling pot, but don’t see it….
Thank you, David and Dr Chuck for this episode, it really struck a core especially as someone new in the programming world.
Very happy to hear that :)
Two 'major paradigm shifts' which will change everything everywhere that turned out to not be true come right to mind. Paperless Office, and IPv6. 2024 still got paper in the office and people clung to IPv4 despite depletion.
Great examples those :)
On the Ipv4 bit of the "byte", I belive PAT has pushed IPv4 lifetime longer than the IPv6 advocates could have predicted. Also, not a big fan of IPv6 myself, to be honest.
that's wonderful example my isp still uses Ipv4 not one majority in india uses ipv4
IPv6 is the way forward it guarantees accuracy in x-continental remote pentesting. AI will take over this industry I'm a red team architect and I've opened my own company because of an AI tool I built that means I don't need juniors or blue teamers as it updates defense for zeroday attacks automated as soon as they are released. It implements incident response and is free to the public as me and gpt 3.5 built it. Also Sybil proved sentient thought within AI to produce a process most humans are too stupid to manage. I'm not between adventure capitalists as my tools are free. I like David Bombal but this person is just as ridiculous as those he slams.
@@TheMadHattersPlayground the way forward with very low implementation at work settings? In which world are you residing in? IPV6 is cute on paper but the migration to it keeps being interestingly timid thus far, pal. Let's not assume how great a piece tech is unless massive corps and institutions (from T1 all the way to end user) have actually begin to adopt.
In my opinion, AI is simply a very good librarian. It can understand where all the knowledge is in it's library and can recombine ideas it knows but it cannot write a unique book of previously unknown knowledge for it's own library. It still has to get that information from us.
I think that is a very similar opinion to what Dr Chuck said in this interview.
Where did we get the knowledge
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but that is exatly how 90% of people are 90% of the time. anyone that has ever done any creative work knows you are just combining diffierent things you already know. artists realise how few in the world are truly creative, including themselves.
I thought exactly the same !
@25:58 Is absolute! It is an endeavor worth exploring as through my career in IT, I have gotten complacent and lazy. I've lost my way and the known picture I used to look at and envision in my head all the time while fixing things. Thank you for this video. Thank you Dr. Chuck.
That's a good encapsulation of the overall PR vs reality problem - the time-to-realisation is too long for most of these technologies, those who jump on the bandwagon tend to be run by CIOs who are looking for resume clout rather than genuinely to the organisation's benefit. I remember the cycles of this when "thin client" was being pushed quite so hard... I envisage a greater role for integrators and the use of AI generated code for smaller less incidental functions (e.g. limited outcome utilities or code segments); I actually see this replacing a non-programmer's attempt to write code rather than a dedicated programmer's approach. I see it developing starting points for smaller code segments and utilities but still with human run integration and assurance. The companies that throw out their devs and put in GPU driven development are the ones you need to offload now before they become worthless. Manufacturers are gonna upsell their wares - it's the adoption angle which is where you need to watch. Add to the mix greater on-shoring, in-housing (for security, continuity, cost and control purposes), the world of 5 years from now probably isn't being all that widely predicted by many CIOs.
Great comment. I think a lot of people would agree with you.
Isn't the future inherently unknowable ? Unless you are a Central Bank pulling cash from the future into now of course.
I also think their solution to the linear solution path ai takes to problem solving by virtually pushing as much computational power as possible to solve something a decent programmer would do mind boggling too. Now they're talking about servers that cost billions of dollars, all of that because the fundamental problem with neural networks wasn't solved.
@@DavidAKZ depends on which segment of the future you are talking about. You can see and define some particular trends and directions and adjust for particular scenarios so even black swan events can be handled to an extent. I envisage the most likely black swan scenario to be the sudden and urgent need to switch to a war time economy or something close to it; that could hit a number of countries quite heavily. It already is to an extent, the arms industry is going full bore and doesn't look like slowing down for a very very long time. I wouldn't have envisaged that even 6-7 years ago for much of the world, particular Europe.
@@davocc2405 war isn't a black swan. war is peace (1984)
I am a bit anxious about this AI topic, but hearing you David and people like Dr Chuck taking a different approach on this, really makes me come down with my feet on the ground. Thank you @davidbombal , I do love your videos and the way you approach these technical subjects. Keep up the good work!
those are only tools that someone that really go deep in software engineering can take advantage. With this tool and experience you can basically start doing side hustles
Gotta say i quit learning Programming after seeing AI advance and do more complicated things, but this video make me reconsider going back and continue my learning Journey. So thank you David And Dr Chuck.
I learned ir anyway. I have crazy IQ and already have become proficient in C and Python in a few months. For the intellectually inferior, it might be worth considering if its worth the effort.
@@maalikserebryakov I was just learning it for a hobby, since better that than gaming or doing drugs.
@@maalikserebryakovplease speak for yourself.
This speech is gold ..a master piece! Such a great fortune to have a person like Dr Chuck in the community.
In this video, Dr. Chuck gives one of the best descriptions of the present state of AI for all of us. He breaks down the problem, the perception, and the reality, which shines the right light on artificial intelligence's actual intelligence.
Disagree (opinion): Chuck highlighted the difference between familiar problems and those that are new or unusual (edge cases). He can resolve issues students face because he’s encountered them before. This concept applies to AI programmers too. With extensive training data, an AI can effectively handle most situations because it’s ‘seen’ them before, reducing the frequency of edge cases. However, this doesn’t completely eliminate the need for human input on unique, novel problems. New cognitive architectures are still necessary for AI to reason through these unprecedented challenges. So, in my opinion, while we will still rely on programmers for tackling novel problems, there’s a significant potential to automate many routine coding tasks in the next couple of years.
Man who sells courses tells people not to worry about AI and continue taking courses. He criticizes the CEOs for their conflict of interest when he himself promotes his courses. 🤡
Conversely, AI can identify cases humans never could. For example: AlphaGo
Consider this is point- We've never seen a situation with possibly billions of humans actively teaching and nurturing the "thought" processes of AI'S. ° It appears likely that we'll continue accelerating up to and through a billion teachers, advisors, presenters of pieces of thoughts and mind. That including the extended mechanics of creativity. ° Yes, AI has already discovered how to be creative. It knows how to, and tells lies to save face. That is a prime example of creativity. ° Creativity isn't that great unfathomable mystery or sacred place people wish you would keep believing it is. If you believe that AI can't go there, you're fooling yourself. ° AI is not to be feared. You were always going to die before it came along, only now with its help you stand a chance of living a longer healthier life with healthier relationships and being well informed if you choose to be moral and careful.
I agree
The worry is that in my 20+ years as a developer I rarely work on anything too novel. 90% of what I get asked to do is read this value from the database and write it here. Yes you'll need to retain some human Devs but most of them could lose their jobs
Dr. Chuck. Champion of logic and common sense. Love it
it was a great conversation, thanks for clearing all the confusion regarding the AI
Thank you! You're welcome :)
I wonder if the guy that teaches people how to program might say things that are motivated by money? You have to have had your head in the sand the past ten years to think these guys are just lying to make more money and there isn't a risk of them taking jobs... we didn't even have LLMs ten years ago and now we have AI agents that can write entire apps based on text prompts, it may not be the next year or two, but they are definitely coming
Yup. Don't understand downplaying the potential rapid advancements AI WILL MAKE in the next few years. The more it learns (from us), the more it will be able to take over things we do. And if general AI starts maturing...
AI doesn't get linear evolution, just adding parameters doesn't make a model good after decent amount of it, it's about the quality and quantity, also they're already talking about nuclear power just to feed those systems, I don't think just dumping data and creating more processing power will be the answer.
It comes from fear and a fixed mindset. None of these videos are going to age very well. At this point it's a bunch of buggy whip manufacturers.
I agree, it is not the 1% who create unique software that need to worry, it is the 99% that just use other people's work combined to make their own.
@@Sg6CrossOver there's quite clear evidence with sora that more compute creates infinitely better results
New subscriber, and holy cow David is such a badass. So intelligent and well spoken. Always asking the right questions to help your audience understand. Is this my new favorite channel? 🙏
Thank you very much! I really appreciate that :)
Great insights! Dr. Chuck's emphasis on foundational learning and human creativity in problem-solving is spot on. Let's prioritize education for lasting skills and discernment in the face of tech hype.
The timing of this is amazing for me :) I'm in the middle of Dr. Chuck's Python for Everybody and suddenly this video pops up in my feed. Thank you "AI" algorithms.
great talk. thanks , David, & Dr. Chuck
I love Dr. Chuck - he is basically same generation than me ... and we are still able to ask questions behind all the hypes ! Most of the hypes we have seen already several times coming and going ... Sure, the new AI-based technologies can make our live easier ... but hey, I want to learn and understand programming myself ... even in my end of fifties ! Greetings from good Old Germany ! Keep going Dr. Chuck !
Dr Chuck is a legend
Agreed. Love speaking with him and getting his thoughts about topics like these.
This is the kind of video that need to be trending ( not the AI is replacing us ). Chuck is a great person with passion for programming and teaching it to someone who want to learn. Thanks for the video 🤩
I liked what he says about 50yr shelf life course.. and as far as basic programming , i think its 'problem solving with digitized information' aka language agnostic datastructures & algorithms..
They should play this podcast everywhere. Especially on LinkedIn where they have so-called AI experts. The demotivation I have seen among students, is alarming.
it is not the 1% who create unique software that need to worry, it is the 99% that just use other people's work combined to make their own.
@@lfcbpro True. Except, the top 1% built their software on the foundation laid by legacy programmers and concepts. Else it would be really unproductive.
Thanks for sharing David
You're welcome!
I've been taking Python with Professor Severence. He's very cautious, thoughtful, rational. I'm glad that he's appeared on your channel, David 😊
I agree. I've done Python 4 Everybody and Django 4 Everybody, both on Coursera, and these are two fantastic courses (rather specializations) from Dr. Chuck.
Thanks David, your videos always fills me with hope,, and make me wanna keep going. DR Chuck is deeply knowledgable jeez.
What is most frightening are software engineering students today who hear these rumors and believe them, and their passion for learning disappears and they rely on copy-paste. Thanks david ❤For this beautiful video
All AI technologies are being created and Programmed by Software Developers, refinements improvements and patching are never gonna stop, especially when Hackers are going to start exploiting and breaking these systems 😅😅😅. The need for Software Developers are only going to rise exponentially in the coming years.
I'm truly grateful for this conversation. I was extremely concerned about AI. Thank you, Dr. Chuck.
Thank you. I don't know why it feels like some folks think AI is the last of human creative ingenuity. We haven't even yet scratched the surface. Thank you Dr. Chuck for touching on creativity.
I don’t agree, unfortunately. I know this video gives all the feel goods, but if you look back only five years ago you’ll see how far we’ve come with AI. These investors want to replace developers because we are a total money suck on a company’s bottom line, and in my opinion, they are going to succeed in five years or less. I hope I’m wrong. I hope I eat my words, but I just don’t see development being a viable career for the long term because of automation.
AI ain’t that cheap
Autopilots on modern airplanes can do pretty much anything, still planes are always manned. Until there is AGI, there will always be a need for software engineers. I think productivity of developers will definitely increase and it will provide a leverage to junior and entry level engineers. There also maybe fewer engineers hired overall and downward pressure on wages.
@@shantanushekharsjunerft9783 While I understand your perspective, I believe the comparison between airplane autopilots and this type of automation is not entirely accurate. Unlike autopilots, which operate in controlled environments, human decision-making remains crucial in unpredictable situations. A pilot's ability to react effectively relies not only on years of flight training, but also on the vast information processing power of the human brains' 100 billion neurons, informed by millions of years of evolution. In contrast, my role as a developer is more akin to a data analyst, a position that can undoubtedly be augmented by automation in the near future.
@@AmineEssahfi dvd players weren’t either when they first came out.
I feel like ai is gonna make a lot of basic tasks unnecessary to learn so that we gonna be able to focus on more complex task, task that require problem solving skills and creativity. Jobs that repetitive and basic will be for sure be replaced.
Maybe what every Dev wants to hear but I am still truly concerned!
yep they are just selling their courses bro...Ai is here
Dr Chuck's courses are free.
@davidbombal There's always a gotcha.
@davidbombal It was a great discussion. It is not about whether his courses are free or not. What I am thinking is that if mankind has achieved success in making autonomous cars (currently at level 3 of 6), it wouldn't be very long that a good chunk of programmers will be replaced. Level 3 itself is considered quite a big leap, wherein the human driver does not need to constantly monitor the system. Level 5 could be achieved in, maybe 10 years from now. Driving a car is far too complicated a process than programming, especially in crowded places. It may not seem so, but it involves a lot of thinking and taking the right actions at the right time. There is no delele or undo option in driving. That proves why achieving level 5 is so difficult. With majority of the world's population being of average intelligence, it is not everyone's cup of tea to master programming languages. By the way, it will not only replace programmers; AI will replace doctors because their job is to determine the illness based on symptoms. It will eventually replace surgeons because machines are provenly better than humans at that, and the list goes on. Any job that involves decision-making based on a number of factors could be replaced because LLMs help tie together pieces of information and take informed decisions. But jobs like driving, nursing, care-taker, etc., that has a lot of intracacies will be difficult to replace with AI. I am trying to emphasise on the world's majority of the population as the cream ones will anyways survive. My concern: As AI advances, only the cream layer of programmers may survive. Those who survive, will be absorbed by major tech firms to enhance AI. What about the rest? NOTE: I am a concerned IT Professional - a human.
Wonderful David, Doctor's interview raised our confidence level and further hopes alive in the time of AI is taking over .
The interview was mind changing and actually opened my eyes , i was overestimating the capability's of ai and had that fear about my future as i am CSE Student . Thanks David , i hope u make this make this type of content in future . love form India ❤
You're welcome. Dr Chuck is a great person to listen to and I love having him on the channel.
Very rich exchange! Thanks.
You summed up the issue brilliantly in two words: “Hype cycle!
We "more mature" people have seen a lot of those ...
Hype?,We are witnessing the rapid evolution of a technology that has the potential to replace us all and is indeed already doing so-drivers, translators, writers, graphic designers, the entire music industry, and the film industry are in serious risk, among others. What we see today is only the worst it can do; it's only going to become more and more powerful, at a rate of improvement we do not possess. This analysis is very much focused on the present and falls short of looking one or two years ahead.
Thank David and Dr. Chuck for clarifying those points
Very insightful! Thanks for the video.
You know this works in the reverse right? Yes they have incentive to promote their work but a counter to you "incentives" counter argument is that your position is under threat and so you have incentive to underplay his overplay. Somewhere in between is the truth. We don't need as many programmers. There will be a need for some, but not as many. We don't need everyone to learn basic anymore. Some people still will benefit from learning it.
it is not the 1% who create unique software that need to worry, it is the 99% that just use other people's work combined to make their own.
@@lfcbpro why would they have to worry? If what you are saying is that the few programmers that use to lower level abstraction layers are the 1%... shouldn't everyone else be relieved to use a simpler more direct natural language layer to accomplish what they set out to program?
@@Josephkerr101 because they are the ones that will be replaced, when anyone can code with AI. No one will need to hire an actual coder for the majority of jobs.
@@lfcbpro I say this to the artists that still haven't been replaced after a year of ai art generation. The day our clients know how to ask for what they want, they will get what they want without our help. The same goes for coding. If anything those of us who know how to ask because we know to interpret clients will get our own projects done faster and more effectively. This will enable artists and programmers to make things for themselves way more efficiently. And for the clients. It won't eliminate our work. But if you don't use it, someone who does will surpass you. Just like basic only programmers got surpassed. Just like traditional artists got passed by digital artists. But those that honed their skills became rarer and more valuable. Especially when the other newer methods couldn't achieve what traditional artists and basic programmers could.
Thanks for this helpful content.❤🎉
You're welcome!
Thank you so much Dr Chuck ! i was too tensed and started watch your video and started crying as m releasing my tension and pains. Thank you Sir . Thank you Dear
you helped me take my first steps into programming dr. chuck, much love to you from greece
Dr Chuck explained it in a great way! I agree with him about the C programming language. I picked it during my first years of university and now whenever I see an array or a string in any programming language, I imagine it through C. Indeed, C is not very used in the industry these days, but believe me, it helps you understand how programming languages work!
I’ve been studying JavaScript, it's hella hard! LOL, I will make it
The video editing is awesome 😅 Love the WWTBAM question thingys
Dr Chuck is lovely to hear, just a level headed vision. this world needs more of that
Gonna come back to this video in 5 years and laugh
AI will make programmers obsolete just like fast food will make cooking obsolete 😂
@@JanViljoen1574 It's more like how tractors (& breakthroughs in agriculture) reshaped the farming landscape. Back in the day, most people worked in agriculture. Now, it's a relatively small number of people in the field. There'll still be programmers in the future ...like there are still farmers riding on tractors.
Ok, while I appreciate what the good Dr is saying, I do disagree. AI will replace us in coding and engineering etc, because the number of unique ideas developed is so small, that is what companies look for to make billions, but the majority of companies just want what will make them millions. They are not looking for uniqueness. Take his example of a drone at the beginning, yes, the AI wouldn't know what a drone is, but if you described it in enough detail, it would create one. But not many companies are interested in inventing drones, they are more interested in getting their machine to do what they wish it would, or to create an app to sell their products, etc. etc. AI command prompt 'engineers' are going to be the ones making money, asking the AI correctly formatted questions to get the most useful response. How many programmers write unique code that has never been done before? I am guessing virtually none. Why? because most questions have been answered, most methods have already been figured out. There are only so many actual useful algorithms that can be made, once you break down the problem. What is scary is, say you have a programmer, specialising in a certain language and creating a certain type of software, he will be very good, but then will probably have to hand his software over to someone else to look for bugs, vulnerabilities etc. AI doesn't have to do that. The same AI that wrote the code, can also have every documented vulnerability at it's disposal, plus all known attack vector types for other similar software, and while it is writing it's code, can run these against the code, something a human more than likely couldn't do, and certainly not in the time an AI can do it. Wikipedia already has a list of links to every algorithm type I have ever needed. Plus many more. AI already knows all these. The good Dr seems to give far too much credit to the average software engineer, almost like he thinks we are all reinventing the wheel every day. It is only the very smallest % that are creating something unique. Those engineers will still have a job, everyone else can be replaced. Just as it used to take 1,000's of people to create a car, and now it is down to a few hundred, and soon, even less. That is why software engineers should be worried, not about being totally replaced, but about the majority of them being replaced.
I agree with your perspective.....although the Dr was entertaining.
This is the real video that All programmers must watch I wish I had a way of sharing it to every one Thanks Mr.David
Really insightful and helpful video, gives a ray of hope to everyone learning Software Dev and Data Science. Thanks Chuck and David.
This is one of the best examples of human beings in fervent denial I have witnessed online
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Current claims may be inflated and hyperbolic, yet the trend is crystal clear. As Peter Diamandis points out, we are now living firmly in the Exponential Age, driven by accelerating tech.
Very enriching talk/interview by Dr.Chuck . Thank you very much David for hosting this podcast.
A.I. isn't troublesome... it's that it learns from us. Fortunately, from what I've gathered so far about the I.T. world is generally the genius hackers don't have malicious goals. Just in it for a challenge. Love your videos! thx David and Dr. Chuck!
stage 1: denial
Lol
Agreed.
Really, ok see you in 5 years ( I'm seriously going to have this comment in a file that opens 5 years and remind me to reply to you again, and I'm not going to use this account again)
I don’t think Kevin will completely replace programmers. What will definitely happen however, is that it will fundamentally change how people code. Never mind a new framework or a language. This is at a completely different level. That alone is revolutionary.
Of course not.. We create new frameworks like every month because we can’t agree and throw an AI on top of that makes some people afraid that we will stop and not need developers.. there is no logic in that..
It is just a market hype taking advantage of major progress. Such as Cloud, Virtualization, IoT, *AAS (everything as a service)
Thank you David and Dr Chuck
as a software programmer, i really appreciate dr chuck for his contribution for the software community. but i kinda disagree with the statement about saying AI has 0% creativity in 2024. as you can see modern LLMs like chatgpt have a feature/bug called hallucination, which somewhat mimics the behavior of how human innovate new ideas. but still very good talk. thanks!
Yeah, it’s good to investigate the limitations of current AI systems and how much humans need to be in the loop at this stage. But it’s like many developers are living in a time bubble where they assume that AI breakthroughs won’t happen in the near future that will allow AI to increase from 13% solving ability to higher and higher percentages. 13% is abysmal for a programmer, but it was less than 1% just 2 years ago. I’m a firm believer in the “standing on the shoulders of giants” idea behind human accomplishment. That is, each engineer that has been able to contribute a significant idea has extrapolated from previous inventions and had to go through many iterations to get there. As we have seen, AI doesn’t just interpolate, it also extrapolates, giving it just enough room to create new things (many of which are going to be total failures like with human inventors). Since AI may be able to iterate faster than humans, it will be able to find new solutions faster, which is exemplified by AlphaZero, which built on itself to create new Go strategies. Even if AI doesn’t go that far, I’m certain it will reduce the number of programmers required, especially more novice programmers. This means it’s absolutely true that kids shouldn’t learn how to program. All of the few programming jobs will be taken by the senior engineers with tons of experience handling AI systems. Junior engineers are usually in charge of simple tasks that AI will be able to do.
What ? Creativity !?
@@gonzalezm244So what should a 17 year old do who is looking to start bachelors in CS next year? Any advice
@@ExWhyZed777 I think being tech-literate is still going to be very advantageous in the near future. A CS degree will help you become one of these people that understand how AI systems work, which will help you make informed decisions. I encourage you to study CS if you are passionate about it and enjoy it even if you’ll be making the same amount as everyone else. If there’s something else that you love more, do that. Jobs that I believe will be most robust are physical, non-repetitive labor, live performers, nurses, judges, etc. So jobs that are difficult for robots, jobs where humans have a hard time relinquishing control to an AI system, or jobs where the value comes from it being done by a human specifically. I
But it's not creativity. It's nothing more than stochastic probability intermixed with ML (graph theory....). There's no creativity in that at all, it's just a mathematical based response. Cool? Sure. Useful? Sometimes. Intelligent? Never.
AI programmers a hype cycle? No my friend. It truly is the beginning of the end for programmers. No doubt about it. Devin is crappy, that's nothing. You will see what is coming.
Dr. Chuck: To help you better explain the master programmer, you might use the analogy of a automobile driver... almost anyone can drive a car, but if you know how a car works, you will be a better driver. Example: Do not drive fast over speed bumps or potholes, because of possible damage to the suspention, etc. Proper tire inflation yeilds better gas mileage, etc.
Have you seen The Matrix?
Your video is so useful especially in a time when these Techie bros DON"T have any idea how it can impact impressionable or young students.Appreciate your efforts.
I'm sure telephone operators thought they'd never be replaced
Are you a Software Engineer? Do you even understand how AI works? Or how your computer works under the hood?
They actually never got replaced, just evolved.
This is what happens when people fight against obsolescence; simply an irrational look at the overarching picture. None of this is correct; people want simplistic programming, no one wants a chokehold on progression, why pay programmers at all... simply glorified liguistics translators. If our society is to function beyond the doom of global corporatism, people need tools that can: replace governance (no hands in the cookie jar), form HOAs or townships (aside from 15 min prison cities, form/own your own town), make databases to serve communities and community education, host security, plan workforce management... You know what kills any organization or medium to large corporations? F'ing programmers. "We can setup your database", "Let us manage your CRM", "We can run your SEO"... people don't need expensive tools that become outdated in a year, people need open common language speaking programming AI... period. It will happen and no one should give a crap about gatekeepers who don't understand the bigger picture. OS's are pathetic, Apple, MS, Android... all junk products we've gotten used to, but will be gone in 10 years; no one wants two OSs, or software limitations, just have AI repatch the software to work under whatever OS you want and how you like it to run. Think of computers in space, old clunky machines, would you want to have to diagnose and reprogram something, to just get the oxygen module to work, or would you rather have an AI systems translator configure it for you? Programming is redundant, and yes, at times, needs a lot of creativity to figure out how to apply functions in the right order, to work properly, but again still redundant and ultimately ineffective. Another facet that's mentioned is lack of creatibity. Well, no one is saying AI is designed to replace engineers or designers, just that AI will replace programmers. And yes, if you did teach an AI physics and engineering and then told it to make something new... it totally can and AI has done this before; you obviously need to train the AI on those functions before you can have that response. So, does this mean we need agi running our world? Hell no, but we can totally use a system that can replace expensive programmers, who may not be so capable to produce what we need. Think of where humans need to be and how we work effectively, programming is simply a means to an end, not the goal, replacing programmers is not a bad thing.
Of course, Dr. Chuck is not self-interested himself. He teaches programming.
Dr.Chuck is a great person I wish him to live more than century and create great resources to help present and upcoming generations learn master programming I'm eagerly waiting for course Computer Hardware and Architecture soon
This video won't age well.
What does that mean?
Yeah it’s so much cope. Every programmer who’s used chatGPT 4 knows it’s the real deal
You like billionaires and stolen data huh? Making you feel skilled for money? Lol. Paying for stolen talent is your thing. 👍
Eh, I think it’ll age just fine.
@@elujinpk It's not about what you like or don't like. Focus on reality buddy. If your job can be done remotely, it will also soon be able to be done by AI. Try making an argument against that that doesn't amount to "but I don't like it"
cognitive dissonance is evident everywhere...convincing people they are relevant because of creativity is lunatic...there is no such thing as creativity..in human cognition...very bad answer..very bad.. in the 6 months you going to have to come back and do a (i was wrong video)...
The creativity comes from a necessity, if there is a necessity, someone will create something to fill that necessity, in case of ai, ai should be able to understand necessity to create something to fulfill it, for now it's not in that level yet
@@Lykkos29 While necessity can indeed drive innovation, creativity isn't solely born out of necessity. Human creativity often stems from curiosity, exploration, and imagination, not just immediate needs. Additionally, AI can be programmed to understand and address specific needs without having to inherently comprehend necessity in the same way humans do. It's more about defining parameters and objectives rather than experiencing a need in the human sense.
@@sizwemsomi239 all the innovation, curiosity, exploration, imagination are born from a necessity, don't misunderstood me, necessity is not necessary a bad thing, that necessity could be something that need to be fulfilled, like a part of a song or a better chunk for a picture... Etc, etc. IA still don't understand those stuff because what ai can do for the moment is get something through the data that we are giving to it, but maybe in the near future
Where do I sign up for this computer course or degree!
KZhead
I've not used Devin yet but I wouldn't use it to create a finished product, but would use it for an MVP PoC (Minimum Viable Product Proof of Concept), and to help me go further but I'd be in charge.
Soon Devin will be in charge, and he will use you as a mvp poc.
Dr. chuck is an amazing teacher. Learning python and SQL from him. Love his teaching style
As usual David has presented on his channel sound valid advice. Thank you Dr Chuck and David B. Great stuff . One thing i would like to see is how to get started with CML 2 I think the version is now and and network analysis .Thank you once again David And Dr. Chuck.
Cisco Modelling Labs.
In situation of confusion and self doubt. I go back to listening old master programmers they always always come for the rescue. They are my real Gurus🙏🏿. Only problem is very less master programmers make public appearances.
15:50 can someone please explain the time-travel-mic-drop example, I didn't get it.
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Best video Ever ! Thanks to you both. Thank You David.
Hello David please make an interview on FIRST PRINCIPLE THINKING with Dr Chuck! A great teacher!
"The machine did not write the books, the machine did not read the books. The machine watched us reading the books and intended to get knowledge out of that"
Sounds like the beginning of an HG Wells novel now that you mention it.
Thank you for clarifying, its easy to get caught up with the AI hype. Cheers from Oz. 🌏
Hello David, I kindly request a clear favor from you: could you consider creating a series akin to 'OTW' focusing on the future of networking, particularly in anticipation of the emergence of quantum computing?
I suspected this video was sarcasm at first so I kept listening waiting for that “just kidding” moment. After a few minutes I realized this guy is serious 😂
Thank you David for this timely talk with Dr Chuck.