Hunting Vietcong: The Rise & Immediate Fall of a Counter-Insurgency Aircraft in Vietnam
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When America went into Vietnam, it didn't just send Skyraiders for Close Air Support against the Vietcong in counter-insurgency (COIN) operations. A fully fledged counter-insurgency program was launched which included the development of a new aircraft: the OV-10 Bronco. At least before the priorities shifted again.
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Air Force Magazine, USAF Polishes Its New COIN, June 1962.
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00:00 - Intro
00:29 - Where The Trouble Began
01:00 - Counter-Insurgency (COIN Aviation)
02:47 - History of COIN
04:09 - New Wars, Old Aircraft?
05:41 - COIN Program
10:09 - Special Evaluation Units
11:45 - Shifts and Trends in aircraft development [incl. sponsored segment]
14:51 - COIN program 'fails'
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Got a Vietnam cow story for you, from a friend who was a load master there early on. They were flying a twin radial engine cargo plane with rice and who knows what other supplies to some village, including a cow. An engine failed. The pilot yelled to dump all the cargo, and that wasn't enough; the cow had to go too. The cow was not that stupid. Finally he shot off his 1911 .45 near the cow's ear, that did the trick, out the back it went, but it saved weight by evacuating its bowels first. Guess who got to clean it out when they got back ... He said he always wondered what some Vietnamese farmer thought when he came out next morning and found all that hamburger in a rice paddy.
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At the other end of the scale, my daughter went to work alongside Loadies as a try out to decide if she wanted to follow that career branch. So one job was co-ordinating with the Mountain Rescue guys (I think on an exercise but ...) Well, they use quite a lot of search dogs. And at the end of the job its the RAF going to take them off the mountains and home. Cue a lot of less than impressed, in several cases outright anxious, search dogs being bundled into a Sea King. The engine roar and swaying of take off was just too much for one mutt which promptly 'evacuated its bowles'. Whether this heightened the fear for the rest or they just weren't going to be out done ........... 💩 Guess who had to muck out the helicopter? Put her *right* off the Loadie idea 🙄
HMMM, free meat,
why the hell would you not kill it before setting off? an angry shitting cow in the cargo hold?
Mooooooooooooooo
As a french, and an aviation fan, regarding the beginning of the COINS operations in the french army i would strongly suggest the book "L’Aéronautique navale en Indochine" (yep in french...) because it explain very well the improvised then little by little organized use of aircrafts in this role. If you need any help with French documents don't hesitate to ask, i can translate regular and technical documents. Cary on the good work, especially giving us the opportunity to explore rabbit holes that are fascinating!
Thank you, I’ll have a look!
I think something a lot of people seem to forget is that the Viet Cong practically didn't exist after Tet. They were not a combat effective force again until after we'd already left. We were no longer fighting guerillas, rather, we now fought much better trained and equipped regular troops. All of our airstrikes on northern troops thus had to face sams and cannon AA positions. Our COIN planes had no place in this more conventional conflict, which is part of why they were phased out so early.
Your presentation every-so-briefly skirted what the purpose my entire Air Force career turned out to be devoted to: Operation “Igloo White”. I was an avionics repairman for our RC-121 spy planes stationed in Korat, Thailand Dec. 1968- Dec. 1969. Attack aircraft are great, but you first have to FIND the enemy. Our big “camo painted” Lockheed Super Constellation four engine aircraft were packed with electronic surveillance equipment. I have no doubt that Operation Igloo White saved many Army and Marine lives by our interdiction of the Ho Chi Minh trails in Vietnam and neighboring countries. I wish someone would do a presentation covering this whole operation.
I'm with you on that.
Sounds interesting, would be great if you reach out via email!
@@MilitaryAviationHistory I sent my email address twice, but I believe KZhead doesn’t allow it. Neither of my reply’s appear.
@@rdleahey send him an email, he doesn't get enough that you'd be drowned out or anything.
@@thelordofcringe I cannot recognize an email address of his on this KZhead presentation.
The Skyraider is hands down my favorite attack plane. Always standing out with its piston engine in the jet age. It is very surprising that these were in use for about 30 or so years
If only WWII lasted another 18 months, damn!
The Skyraider is one of my favorite Vietnam Era aircraft.
I do believe the Skyraider was the epitome of propeller driven combat aircraft prior to jets taking over. The last President of South Vietnam flew one. He became a liquor store owner in L.A. after the war.
"Very Violent Cow-Ground Interface" Definitely up there with "The Teutonic Gods of German-ness" in KZhead Quotes 🤣
OK, the ending is a little silly, but I really like it!!
It is good to see Bismarck coming out of his shell :)
It made me laugh. But it would have been better with a model plane being fictitiously strafed upon an imaginary horde of non-subscribers, and then swiping the aforementioned non-subscribers (represented by plastic soldier figurines), off the table; to clear the desktop runway for a wheels up landing into the cat, which then reacts by scratching him in the face, as the clip abruptly ends.
"Dual screen MAH is not real, it can't scare you!" Dual screen MAH:
Hi! My father invented the Mini COIN system in the 1960's. This system was used in the Biafra war at the late 60th. My father with his childhood friend Count Carl Gustaf von Rosen (famous once upon a time) put the Mini COIN system to use in Biafra. They made severe damage to the Nigerian Airforce with MIG's (flown by RAF pilots!!!) at the time. They also blew up an oil refinery (money hurts) at the time. The US was interested in acquiring the Mini COIN system, this made huge headlines many years ago. Still have the newspaper placard. When my father developed the Mini COIN system some of the people he interviewed in person was Hans-Ulrich Rudel and the CEO of MAN at the time. The latter had been on the eastern front in a tank with all ammunition depleted and surrounded by Russian tank. Then Rudel team came in and he said to my father: "Wir könnel als freier men ausrollen". Tags: MFI-9, MFI-9B, Bölkow Junior (I am junior....), MFI-15, MFI-17, PAC MFI-17 Mushshak, MFI-17 SUPER MUSHSHAK The landing gear on Bayraktar TB 2 is a kind of copy from my father invention on MFI-10 (late 50th) and MFI-15/17. My late father is now in Ukraine with his 4th system. AT-4, NLAW, landing gear Bayraktar and probably Swedish Robot 70. He would have loved it ❤ Very Best Greetings from Sweden and thanks for a very good channel!
Battlestar Galactica reference was well recieved. :) Great video all around, thank you. I have a soft spot for Skyraiders as well and have read about how they were also used on a ridiculously long nuclear bomb equipped missions for carriers. Single engine, WW2 heritage aircraft flying metres above the see level, having less the half meter between the bomb and the deck when landing, and having to deliver the nuke "over the shoulder" in a final climb to have at leas some chance of escaping the blast radius... Crazy stuff... And then you also read about Spad delivering the toilet bomb... :D
COIN aircraft like the OV-10 have civilian roles, in addition to their military roles. Like firefighting, search and rescue, disaster relief, and police support. It is criminal that they aren't in constant production.
Canadair/Bombardier has the firefighting market cornered. They keep updating the CLx15 line, and there is not enough demand to pay for a complete brand new design. Respectfully.
In the converse, the army are using Ag aircraft for ground support now.
@@ricardokowalski1579 Can it make a short take off and landing? Can four paramedics jump out of it, carry a wounded firefighter to a road or river, load them back onto it, and take off again?
@@flyboymike111357 The CLx15 can't. But there are plenty of helicopters in full production that can do that.
@@ricardokowalski1579 Choppers aren't going to have the range of a stol plane. Helicopters also crash, a lot. Especially around rocky hills or buildings.
I always found COIN aircraft really interesting. What I didn't know, was about many of the things about the aircraft used for it between WW 1 and WW 2. Good to know more about COIN in general
You can trace the roots of USAAC and USMC aviation attack aircraft employment doctrine in that period of small wars between the big wars to Pancho Villa Expedition of 1916.
Thanks for the early COIN operations outside the US; I only knew of the US's operations during the 1920s banana wars, where Latin American governments, banana companies, and rebels, all corrupt one way or another, battled enough for the banana companies to holler for Uncle Sam o come rescue them. That's how the US Marines started dive bombing, I think. I've got that book. I think I have most of Norman Friedman's books. They are all notable for several things: * Incredibly dense with information, so much that you have to recognize when you start skimming so you can set it down and come back a little later when you have refreshed your brain. * Pretty dry. It's hard to turn such dense information into a page turner, although he comes remarkably close a few times. * Self-references get jumbled up as technology marches along. This last bears explaining. I have the feeling that he starts out with the best of intentions, explaining all the acronyms, the people and bureaucracies involved, the technologies, but the deeper he gets into it, the more they interact, and it's just not possible to keep everything linear and well-organized. Early planes are mostly engines. Radios add complications in the form of Morse code, voice, short or long range, navigational beacons, IFF, automatic landing controls ... and then radar comes along and it all explodes into so many combinations that nothing can be done except plow ahead. I don't blame Mr. Friedman for not keeping all these complications straightened out and in their own lanes; it can't be done except by the kind of gross simplification that would cut 90% out of these books. You don't buy a Norman Friedman book to get the Young Adult version. You just have to take your time, take breaks, look up acronyms, skip back and forth, and read the book several times.
Have you heard of or read Col. Smedley's speech, revealing how he was a better racketeer than Al Capone? He revealed the plot backed by all the major American industrial cartels to overthrow the US government, install Smedley as the puppet leader and establish fascism in the USA? It is a troubling read.
An approach that I prefer, as opposed to buying a poorly researched book that inadvertently mixes propaganda with research. I do not mind having to do a modicum of annotation but sometimes the best place for a book is ‘file 13’.
It was sort of abortive, because it was the first time that the US military had done anything like it and there was insufficient preparation or planning, but the search for Pancho Villa in 1916, with elements of the 1st Aero Squadron being deployed with the intent of locating Villa's forces from the air and radioing their positions back to the ground forces, probably qualifies as the first US aerial COIN operation, albeit unsuccessful, as the Jennies used were insufficient to the task and were unable to perform their intended function, eventually being relegated to mail and courier duties.
@@seanmalloy7249 Thanks.
From the 1976 JANE'S POCKET BOOK OF MAJOR COMBAT AIRCRAFT. In 1967 the P-51 was converted to a counter-insurgency aircraft and named "Cavalier". Apparently it was still in use in '76
Nope never used.
just FYI ADSIC sensors where not used for advanced warning of attacks, but to find trucks along the Ho-chi-minh trail they would be dropped along the trail and then when a truck convoy passes them to bring supplies into the south aircraft where sent to destroy them.
As far as I'm aware FACs in Vietnam loved the OV-10s. The COIN heritage of the aircraft meshed well with the needs of FACs who needed a rugged aircraft with good visibility and a lot of loiter time.
John Plaster's SOG memoirs mentioned the OV10 with great fondness.. they called themselves covey- facs that provided support for SOG missions. In a pinch, ov10s could provide light fire support until jets or skyraiders arrived
Broncos
Always love videos on Vietnam-era aviation. Great job as usual Chris.
The Douglas Skyraiders were such an immense aircraft. I can't think of another single engine prop plane that was so large.
I was going to point to the Fairey Gannet but then realized you meant single prop :)
TBF / Avenger is just about the same - maybe limited by CV constraints??
While it didn't have the possible range of a B-17, the A-1 lifted an equivalent bomb load, 3,600kg. Damned impressive.
Much awaited much appreciated excellent insights as always.
One of my favourite stories about the Skyraider is about the one which dropped a toilet over Vietnam (there is also one about a Skyraider which dropped a sink, I think, over Korea), you know, just because. I have seen the photos and a short video of it as well.
Great content. Very interesting and love your sense of humor. Thank you.
My step-father was one of the USMC A-1D pilots who served as an instructor for South Vietnamese pilots. Later on, during Linebacker II, he flew A-1D's on air defense suppression missions dropping dumb bombs on SAM sites defending Hanoi, while dodging SAMs and AAA.
Some great footage, I really liked the French pictures of the Bearcats. I have always had a bit of an interest in the OV-10. It even lasted to the first Iraq war. I would like to hear about that as well as recent OV-10 use in Syria! One plane you missed was the Army only OV-1 Mohawk; a very interesting COIN ?? Effort.
Only the US Army used the OV-1. He read a book about the US Navy, so he also did not talk about the USAF OV-2 Sky Master. US Airforce was supposed to take all of the fixed wing aircraft in the divorce from the Army, so many people think the Army only had/ has helicopters. If I remember correctly, the OV-1, OV-2, OV-10 were mostly spotting aircraft and used mostly smoke rockets to mark targets.
@@willw8011 mostly with exceptions like the Armys JOV-1A. " When the Army decided that the OV-1A should be made capable of carrying armarment a total of 54 aircraft were returned to Grumman for installation of the full complement of six underwing pylons. These Mohawks were capable of carrying bombs, .50cal machine gun pods or 2.75 inch rocket pods. these Mowhawks had the cockpit modified with a Mark 20 gunsight being installed for use by the Pilot."
@@willw8011 You are right; there is a great book on flying Mohawks in combat. The title escapes me at the moment. 👍
Great video as always. I LOVE the end, you are becoming a true professional. :)
Superb content. Thank you.
I love the ov10.. seen one at a airshow in cali that we drove past in 2014... so FOOKING loud
Topic is close to home...I worked U-28s for a while. Keep up the interesting assessments!
OV-10 and A-1 were beasts of their time.
That's how it always starts, you buy one book, and in one year you have a library, in another year you need another bookcase, and on it goes. You have an excellent and healthy curiosity, which will send you to all corners of learning.
A side path of your rabbit hole would be some of the stories of CSAR and it’s evolution. The US Air Force basically stopped everything when I pilot went down in their efforts to rescue him. The Boxer 22 and Wolf 06 SARs had over 300 sorties each flown over 2 days. Heroisms like Skyraiders purposely “trolling for fire” where the were looking to get fired on to test if the AA had been suppressed enough to bring in helicopters who would then hover over the survivor.
Check out Darrel Whitcomb s new book Moral Imperative 1972, Combat Rescue, and the End of America's War in Vietnam. I highly recommend everything that Col. Whitcomb wrote on the subject of air rescue in Vietnam.
I think you could add the Saab J-29 in Congo? Many of the aircraft you describe taking on the COIN role would have started as FAC: forward air control. No mention of the A-37?
There is no need to mention every single plane that flew on that role, we’d still be here tmr ;)
up until the independence of the DRC in 1960 (former Belgian Congo), the Belgians used light attack versions of the Fouga Magister and the N.A AT-6D Harvard/Texan in the COIN role.
Yup, the Texan served in that role in quite a few countries. Flexible little cannonball
Another informative video as always Chris. One is always under the impression that COIN aircraft saw more extensive use in Vietnam than they really did.
The lines are always blurry between COIN and CAS
13:00 "Hold fast, the pain ends soon....." I love when you do that. 😆
You should cover drones in the Vietnam war...that's a rabbit hole in and of itself. 😁
Yes the new book on this subject by David Axe is actually pretty good.
that "kill me" face at the end got me
I like the new set. Clever
All time best cliff hanger!
Now you need to do a really in-depth video on the Bronco of course.
Now there is an underrated aircraft.
Yes we know, but it is good to hear it from time to time :)
Full circle on prop aircraft? A-1 Spad to current A-29 Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano. OV-10's VMO squadrons, these were fun to watch while USMC flew in the 80's and 90's.
Going down the research rabbit-hole...been their/done that!
I can't believe the US didn't then spend millions of dollars to design a cow parachute. Another great video. Nice book to order for myself for Christmas.
Christoph, thank you for another entertaining and informative video. I suspect that you are borrowing from The Bloke and Millennium 7* 😊! Keep it up. I will have to buy the Friedman book. You are definitely a bad influence, as I have already bought the second and third black books; and The Secret Horsepower Race 😁! Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Thank you :) not sure what you mean regarding the borrowing though
@@MilitaryAviationHistory Christoph ‘A’ and Christoph ‘B’ having a conversation, reminded me of both the ‘man versus Otis’ discussions and the skits on the Bloke’s channel. We all borrow and adapt written and/or verbal presentation techniques from each other. You also appear to have perfected your ‘product plug’ technique. Have a good weekend.
Someone probably already noted this: at 1:51, the image of the planes is reversed. I understand you might not want to violate the 180 degree rule in editing sequences, but still: the letters on the planes are clearly backwards. Otherwise, as always, excellent, companionable and fascinating work. So thanks, and keep 'em coming.
Ah the Spad. The A10 of the Vietnam era.
Portugal used Fiat G 91, F 84 thunderjet, T 6 Harvard, and Do 27 as COIN aviation and Allouette lll 20mm autocanom as fire suport on Airborne operations during the colonial war on Angola ,Moçambique and Guinea-Bissau
New version of the A-1 coming online, AT-802u skywarden for AFSOC, would love a video about that
Well I guess you’re already in progress, go skywarden can’t wait to see what u have to say
The new "outro" was fun. "They know"
i wish to request that you could talk about the MAULER am-1, you seemed to be interest on the skyraider how about you could talk about one its predecessors
Haha love the intro, that's my sort of rabbit hole. That book looks amazing. In case anyone from the NI has a spare copy, I'd be happy to talk about it too 🤣
oh ya COIN is a rabbit hole in vietnam, basically anything and everything as long as someone could think it could be helpful. the vietnam section of the US airforce museum is filled with all sorts of weirdly outdated (for 70s) aircraft, weaponized civilian planes, and other odd planes
2:56 Yes, mentioning the Italians in Libya is a good starting point for the history of the COIN concept. ✅ One issue is that COIN (against "insurgency") and CAS (against "enemies") is a *murky distinction* . Are you in: 1- a civil war, where both sides are fighting for the right to call the other "insurgent" ==> COIN 2- a proxy war where sides are fighting for power on behalf of deep pocketed cold war super powers ==> It's complicated🤷 3- a true kinetic conflict between regular troops of the actual super-power nations ===> CAS another even *murkier* issue is that by definition... COIN is meant to be used by governments... *AGAINST IT'S OWN CITIZENS* . Not the most popular use of public funding. So they get dressed or justified as "territorial security", border patrol, anti-narcotics, and many many other excuses. Remember that it is the goverment that applies the label of "insurgent" on anybody they dislike. ManPADs are the reason COIN (and CAS) have had soooooo much trouble. Yes, COIN is a deep rabbit hole. Solid content
CAS is used in close air support of friendly ground forces in combat or near the enemy. COIN can be a lot of thing that are not CAS. It could be using observation aircraft to see insurgent positions, then call in air strikes, artillery strikes or even ground forces. It could also be giving farmers some animals, so he will give information about an insurgent unit nearby. It could also be giving medical treatment to some neutral or somewhat friendly civilians, so they are less likely to become insurgents or give information about insurgents. It could be giving weapons and training locals to fight against insurgents. It could also be talking to insurgents to turn those away from fighting and becoming neutral or supportive.
@@willw8011 It gets even better. "No I am civilian contractor not uniformed service member of this conflict participating state actor. No Air America is not subsidiary of Central Intelligence Agency. No I have not just airlifted a whole battalion of Montagnard mercenaries from there to here. No there is no war in Laos, havn t You heard President Johnson?"
@@lizardb8694 Contrary to popular opinion, most of the Vietnamese disliked the communists, VC, NVA, etc. The communists leaders, VC, NVA would steal locals food, animals, and force locals to fight for the VC. Most of the locals just wanted to be left alone. Among those locals were the Montagnard, who had their own tribes and ways of doing things. They despised the VC using their area as a battlefield, safe haven and source for plunder, so they needed/ wanted means to fight back. Sadly, the French doomed the whole of Indochina in their attempts to keep it as a colony. This gave rise to the communist backed independence movements in the area. If the French would have supported alternative freedom movements, then it would have saved many lives and lots of hardship, which counties to this day. As far as the CIA and forces outside the US Military: many times it is better for non-military entities to do things, because a military has a greater public presence. A military also has a reputation of mostly destruction and use of force; whereas, organizations like CIA front companies, UN aid workers, NGOs, or whatever do not have an imagine of destruction and occupation... it allows a more cooperative relationship.
A related topic for another video - Operation Firedog - the RAF in Malaya 1948 to 1960
Damn you that book looks great
It’s a weapon!
just the other day I crossed paths with a mention that the European powers first used paratroopers after ww one, to send troops into colonies to put down uprisings and general policing of remote areas. would love to know more about that history as it seems sort the real source of air / ground war legacy.
Mostly done by French
What about the various planes used for the Puff operations such as the c-119, c-130 etc. I saw and heard them while I was with the 4 Div. from 1968-69. Would they not be considered COIN?
I was wondering if, and if so, how, gunships (AC-47, 119, 130) were used for COIN ops?
I always thought that the Army's OV-1 Mohawk would have made for an excellent COIN aircraft. First, it had a lot of capabilities built into it. And second, it's mere existence in the Army's inventory was a constant source of irritation to the Airforce brass.
Yes the Air Force generals even the SAC bomber types treated the Key West Agreement very seriously. Now youtube internet famous (thanks to the 10 Percent True podcast) Col. Mike "Starbaby" Pietrucha wrote some very interesting articles on this subject.
I've read about (different subject but also a case of same-same-different) that Post WW1, the Uk had a problem in that it united the aviation arms of the Royal Navy and the Army. problem was, sailors couldn't navigate over land, and the army couldn't navigate over water. Unsurprisingly the RN got a fleet air arm back. The same-same, how much better would close air support for the US Army have been, if it had access to and control over its own fixed wing aviation, not just rotary?
My father worked as a sentry at udorn Air base (where I work now) and air America was based here. They had AC-47 and AC-119s here as well as F101s and F-4s. Now we have alpha jets and F-5s. Sometimes F-16s here
If you look at a bombing map of Laos you can see a stream of bombing pointing back at Udon. They are where returning pilots dropped their bombs on the way back to base. A friend of mine was hired a few years ago to clear other bombs jettisoned before landing in the vicinity of Udon.
@@bob_the_bomb4508 yes few weeks ago they detonated a few bombs found in the jungle. Many fuel tanks were turned into boats by people on the mekong. They about size of canoe.
@@AreeyaKKC it’s very common in Laos to see wooden houses that use bomb casings as stilts, or to see cluster bomb containers used to grow herbs.
@@bob_the_bomb4508 same same here northern thailand
@@AreeyaKKC that’s really interesting…I’ve never seen that in Thailand…perhaps I should look the next time I’m working in Lao next year.
And since this is a Great video but a litle bit silly I must ask You how do you Like that monitor?
It’s alright. I used to have two instead of one. There are pros and cons. This works for me
Great vid. New sub! Does using JN4s against Pancho Villa count as COIN? What about the US Army using MB1 Bombers for FAC against coal miners on strike?
I have a feeling of reja vu. It's like deja vu but in the opposite direction, ie instead of seeing this before it's more I will see this again.
01:55 - "talking about where coin comes from..." me, a Tax officials: "You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention."
It might have been helpful to mention what the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was, and how it changed the US involvement in Vietnam?
The British during WW 2 Burma Campaign used the DC-3 to transport Mules Successfully..... no Cows as far as I know...
Wait...I need to know more about this cow-dropping incident. You could make a whole video out of this and, done right, it could potentially be your highest-viewed yet.
As long as it’s not a lot of bull…. I’ll get my coat…
There is something retro about turboprop CAS.
That starting camera angle made me feel like you were holding up by the neck 😂
The french air force ( and navy) used a lot of arcraft types during the Indochine war, just because the armies were reconstructing and used everythig they could, from Uk and Us fighters ( spits, mosquitos, bearcats, corsairs...) To german captured/ licence constructed aircrafts( ju52, siebel si 204, fi156...) . The next warcwas also a decolonisation war in Algeria(1954-1962), many ofvthevprevious aircraft were used, like B26 invaders, T28,or T6, replaced by DH vampires, f100 super sabre, and then skyraiders too, using MG, canons, bombs, rockets or napalm (called "special tanks" )
Meaningful & effective use of aerial COIN was initiated by the RAF in the North West Frontier & Mesopotamia in the inter war years, largely for financial reasons (the RAF claimed they could pacify/control both regions more cheaply than the army).
Excellent point. Thanks to Your comment I ve recalled the classic book on the subject that I ve red many years ago: RAF operations 1918-38 by Chaz Bowyer.
Regarding the cow + helicopter thing: _"GROUND BEEF"_ 😉
You failed to really talk about the A37, which was an outstanding COIN weapons system, and is still in use today.
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The Vietnam War was a "special war" that became a "limited war".
_"...had more holes in it than a shooting range in Texas."_ 😂😂😂😂😂
In 1961 FAP (portuguese air force) use PV 2 Harpoon in ground bombardment in the insurrecional early days on northern Angola .its true, ASW airplanes used whitout proper aiming devices for that job.soon they are replaced ,by the way im using my Daughter iPhone ,i Lost mine 😁
You should do a collab with Joel Haver.
I have to admit that I have gone over 60 years, and hope to go at least another 20, without expecting to ever hear the phrase "violent cow/ground interface". After that, I don't care what I hear.
1:52 YVAN EHT NIOJ?
SAES NEVES EHT LIAS
11:05 Sooo would you call it ground beef??
Ooooffff
Cheesy…. :)
1965 was the beginning of ‘search & destroy’ which we could do with the F-105 & the F-4D. By then (and now) There have been so many ‘COIN’ aircraft so as to make the term meaningless. The A-1 Skyraider & their Sandy pilots made all the difference in rescuing downed pilots in Vietnam until the end of the conflict.
I'm in a weird situation where I'm starting to get into aircraft but I still know basically nothing meaning any game I play, I'm bad at it lmao.
Did Malay involve British coin aircraft in 1950s?
The air campaign over Vietnam did not go well. Around 600 F4 Phantoms were lost as were 30 B52's. Just some of the 10,000 aircraft losses suffered by the US over Vietnam.
I would rather have a dozen Sky Raiders supporting me in the J, than one Wart hog at the same price.
Interesting stuff! Also, dude, get some sleep...
Texas shooting range joke was nice!
How now Brown Cow?! MOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
11:07 but why do they need to find out how to ship a cow?
Hearts and minds for one reason. Recce ream rocks up to a village in the arse end of nowhere, bit of basic medical assistance then, What do you need? Milk, the VC took our cows. We'll bring you a cow, Uncle Sam is your friend.
The South Vietnamese government would often relocate small villages to other safer areas. Villagers want to keep their animals, because that is how they survive as subsistence farmers. The VC were also bandits, so they would come into villages to forcefully conscript boys and men to fight with them. The VC would also take the locals food and animals (aka food). The US Military has special forces and civil affairs units, who would go to the villages and ask the locals what their problems are and what they needed. Some farmer starts talking about how he dislikes the VC, because they stole his crops, animals, etc, then some smart civil affairs officer might start talking about their new friendship and how they can help each other. poof... like magic a cow or some chickens or pigs or whatever appears. Similarly, civil affairs sees some starving kids or hurt people, then doctors and medicine shows up to help.
Chris must get so many babes!!! He’s the best of the best of the best!!!!!!!
Please work on your sound recording. The echo doesn't help your otherwise high quality videos.
One issue is the USAF and US Army bickering over “roles and missions”. As opposed to the Marines who don’t have that problem
any time vietnam is mentioned I just get flashbacks to the a certain leak video website with a woman holding her baby crying, both with 3rd degree fatal napalm burns all over. Thanks war.
2:16 What?!?
I do not see a “subscribe” button! ?
Great Military Aviation History Very witty presentation Doodle doodle dee Wubba wubba wubba
Anyone feeling bad about the cow?
Bird Dog moment xd
Interestingly, two book recommendations from me deleted?! Don't ask for them, if you don't want any recommendations. Or are KZhead's algorithms randomly deleting comments from your comments section?