Homeschooling: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
2023 ж. 7 Қаз.
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John Oliver discusses homeschooling, its surprising lack of regulation in many states, and, crucially, Darth Vader’s parenting skills.
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I’m an attorney and I was homeschooled and whenever I mention it to people that I meet they always say “oh well you turned out okay so your parents must have done a good job homeschooling you.” I turned out okay DESPITE the weak efforts of my mom to homeschool us. She would throw a textbook at us and tell us to fill it out and there are huge gaps in my schooling to this day. I’m anti-homeschooling and don’t understand why people are so shocked that a completely unregulated industry has so many loopholes in it. Thanks John Oliver for bringing attention to this!
There’s a reason that formal schooling outside of the home became the norm. Most parents, even the well-meaning ones, just don’t have the knowledge, dedication, or time to teach every subject through high school.
I know exactly what you mean. A bright, motivated kid will learn things on their own in spite of awful adults, but there will be serious gaps and blockages that much of society has no understanding of. I'm glad you beat the odds, but nobody should ever have to simply because their parents chose to fail their kids.
100% true. I’m a “bright kid” who loves reading but I don’t like math. I had zero study skills or paper writing experience. I had never taken a test that wasn’t open book. I was frequently frustrated by things I didn’t understand (and couldn’t figure out by reading a book). I HATE when someone says my parents were saints for homeschooling me or that must be why I’m so smart. I would keep my kids home and do online schooling if they asked me, but I would never create a curriculum. I’m not a teacher and I while I can learn along with my kids so I can help with homework, it isn’t fair to them to have me by their main teacher
@@DA-vw1huthank you for the inspiring comment! Im in community college and am scared when i transfer universities this will haunt me and they will not accept me no matter my grades. I had a similar homeschooling experience. Glad you made it.
@@orbeetles I did go to community college. Once I had my associates, I could have transferred. No one cares about transcripts after that. You can totally do it! And I bet you will thrive and absorb knowledge like a sponge. Have a great time
I was “homeschooled” when I was a kid because “liberals were indoctrinated me” When I got to public school a few years later , one of my teachers would spend every lunch period with me & go over basic elementary science, math & grammar skills & history skill’s because she was nervous I didn’t learn them I still talk to this teacher 18 years later! She basically saved me!
Your teacher is a hero!
Frick that's wholesome.
Hmmm “liberals were indoctrinated me” ?
Not all heroes wear capes!
Of course every teacher is not like the one you had. However, the concern and dedication your teacher showed you are often simply character traits of people who decide to go into the education profession. And that is what it is, by the way, a regulated profession of educated adults who are legally obligated to follow minimum standards of instruction. They're also supposed to demonstrate ethical behavior in their treatment of children. I'm glad you had at least one good teacher in your life. That stuff can be life changing.
"Being a parent does not automatically make someone moral, and being with a parent, does not automatically make a child safe" John was SPITTIN'
So why complain about family separation border policy ?
@@deus_vult8111 Please tell us in your infinite wisdom how you know every single one of those families, often seeking asylum, deserve to be separated without any evaluation.
@@randomperson8571 I don’t. And I don’t have to. When I commit a crime and I happen to be with my son the police will detain and arrest me and separate me from my kid. Crossing illegally is a misdemeanor and not to be taken lightly.
@@deus_vult8111 Also--I can understand being anti-immigration. What I cannot comprehend is thinking, "Hell yeah, let's separate terrified small kids from their parents as they're trying to flee dangerous situations and call anyone who reasonably doesn't like this idea a woke liberal! Woohoo!"
Omg ...I have been a teacher for about 7 yrs and I am a mom. I have seen some bad parenting 😢
I was a college professor. The students who went to college after homeschooling were all over the map. Some had parents who followed the state curriculum using the state-adopted textbooks, which the schools provided for free. These students could not be distinguished from the other students. But most homeschooled parents didn't do this, so there was a lot of "mislearning," where students had simply learned the wrong way to do things or nonsense "facts." I also had a student complain that her sister took her kids out of school and called it homeschooling but she didn't do it; the kids just did what they wanted to all day. She thought that there would be a state office responsible for putting the kids back in school (the children wanted to go back to school, especially the teenager who was aware of how far behind she was getting). There wasn't. Educational neglect is also child neglect. A lot of state effort is focused on public schools for curriculum, textbooks, teacher quality, etc. Teachers are evaluated constantly and undergo many hours of professional development each year to maintain their licenses. Children are tested each year, and even though there are problems with so much testing, at least the public is informed on how well the schools are doing. Experts are brought in to provide services for children with disabilities; my son, who is hearing impaired, had speech pathologists who worked with him intensively and successfully for years. My niece was sexually abused by her stepfather when she was six--it was teachers who noticed and called in CPS. None of that would happen in homeschooling. The idea that homeschooling parents can do anything they want without supervision and regulation is horrendous. The fact they don't need to have an education themselves or can just skip over things like math because they don't know it is also horrendous. Or that they can purchase curricula that teach nonsense like dinosaurs and people co-existing is terrible. And it's the children who are cheated because they may be totally unprepared for adult life.
I'm german. Here homeschooling is just outright banned. And we take this ban VERY serious. So serious that parents can lose custody of their child if they don't send their child to school. Though it seldom comes to this, usually even the most batshit insane parents that were unreceptive to more gentle persuasion fold when this card is finally played.
With all due respect, you never saw high school students who were killed in high school in your college classes and that happens in public (and private) schools. I don't blame parents for wanting to keep their kids safe in the only developed nation in the world where it's expected that children will experience violence in school
With all due respect, you appear to be unaware of the vast number of rotten teachers, lousy educators and psychologically abusive. Mean and nasty.
@@nakedpnkmoleratYes, those exist. However, that is a flaw of the public school system not a feature. A flaw that needs to be fixed. There is a myriad of possible ways to fix something like this. The political problem with pretty much all of them is that they will cost money. And some will probably cost quite a lot of money. And if there is anything that the political elite in the USA hates above else than it's investing money in the education system.
@@fark69you also don't see the children killed by their family in college.
"Having a child does not inherently make you virtuous." We will fix a lot of society's problems by understanding this deeply.
so true.....I have met so many selfish, rude, and just whacko parents..... that quote should be everywhere
13 public high schools not 1 proficient math student. Billions in their budget, largest ever. Now what. Oh yeah, school shootings. We will fix a lot of societal problems by understanding the proper role of government. kzhead.info/sun/p8OGpbluiaulmp8/bejne.htmlsi=B1zebP21ABU7Xg2Y
The thing is a lot of people have children for themselves and not for the child, or even by accident. And then the very type of people who would be a good responsible parent both emotionally and financially are choosing to have less kids. It's honestly concerning and we might need to start considering some sort of government financial incentive to promote having stable children like many other countries japan/argentina/germany etc. The current cost of living/housing makes it much less attractive for younger people to have children, and the financial pressure has been really bad for dating and relationships in general for both men and women. It's becoming more and more like a business
@@Qdawwg America's economy much prefers low-educated worker-bee types that can be used up and replaced like parts in a machine. None of its on accident.
That Bitch saying, "we want our kid to be a wonderful nazi", Had me rolling dude WTF is wrong with Christians or just Americans, in general
I'm glad that child abuse was such a massive portion of this story. I am a survivor of child abuse and when I was in highschool, my mother told me that having friends & socialization were distracting me from my "roles and responsibilities" as the eldest daughter. She found out through eavesdropping on my private phonecalls that my friends were making me aware of which behaviors of theirs were abusive & teaching me to stand up for myself. If i had lived in a state that did not require background checks and such to pull a child out of school, i would not have any way of communicating with the people who helped me flee to safety at 18. Homeschooling laws literally protected me from becoming a prisoner in my own home. It gave me the power to leave and access life- saving community and resources.
Yup. Homeschooling laws can make it useful instead of dangerous
All homeschooled children should be required to complete and send in standardized tests every couple years. and if they get too far behind, the parents should lose homeschool privileges. and all homeschool families children should be required to have regular visits with health clinics to ensure they are healthy and not abused.
Growing up my sisters and I realized we would do better with self motivated learning. However our mom was so abusive that school was literally the only safe place we had. And even then she could show up at any moment. My senior year she made me go to work with her and I almost didn't graduate cause she made me miss 2 finals.
@@uncletrashero I'm actually shocked that isn't already a requirement.
I don't know your story but responsibility is important and I just hope you are not being dupped. Life is not always black and white and parents should be helpful in preparing you for life's drama.
I was homeschooled in Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri and Alabama. I had to teach myself everything, starting at age 11. The highest level math work book I was ever given was division, and my parents didn't actually make me use it (I didn't even know textbooks or teachers guides were a thing until I was an adult). My parents were somehow under the impression that if you have good literature in the environment that will teach your kids everything they need to know by osmosis or something. I had to teach myself enough math and science to barely pass the GED so I could go to community college. I won't speak to minority families that choose it as that's not the background I'm from, but homeschooling NEEDS to be regulated. Otherwise it's ripe for educational neglect and child labor (yes, child labor).
John got his BINGO! Will we get an episode about war crimes without consequences? Could be featuring many other guests of dishonor!
Ah, I was looking for a comment just like this. Also, I would honestly love to see a historian (or panel of historians) talk about how the Americas might look today if it weren't for Kissinger.
I was tripping out because today was the first time I watched this episode! 😳 John u got BINGO!
@@needthistool as an australian i had literally never heard of kissinger before he died and would also very much like this
You may be interested in the podcast Behind The Bastards, an, unfortunately, long running podcast that researches their subjects very well and with a lot of good humor.
Haha! Was so hoping someone caught this before me!!
Just started the video, i was fundamental Christian homeschooled in Arizona in the 90s. ZERO oversight, ZERO regulations. Took GED at 16, been trying to catch up with education through KZhead since then. Edit: everything he said was real. My "curriculum" was based on the "Proverbs 31 woman" . I did NOT get a good education, never knew I had ADHD, needed glasses, or understood ANYTHING about safe sex which *all* harmed me later in life.
I would also recommend Coursera and EdX, where you can get free access to post-secondary level course lectures and readings, though you would need to create an account. While both have a heavier focus on STEM and business, they have a bunch of stuff for humanities too. EdX also has a lot of AP course programs. For anyone reading this who hasn't heard of them, Coursera was founded by Stanford professors and you can get free access to stuff by "auditing" a course, and you would have unlimited access to the ungraded materials. It tends to have more videos but this varies a lot by instructor and subject. EdX was founded by MIT and you get free access for a certain time (several weeks) after beginning each course and, if there is a paid option, access will then be revoked unless you upgrade. It tends to have more readings and you can actually attempt assignments, which is especially helpful for subjects like programming and math. If there isn't a paid option (if the course is "archived") then you just have unlimited access here too. I've viewed everything from academic STEM stuff like Python, Bioinformatics, and Linear Algebra to professional stuff like EMT basics and Corporate Finance to fun stuff like courses on the bilingual brain or Norse mythology.
So... Basically, you're no worse of than half of the public school students?
@@Gendo3s2k ADHD and needing glasses are often picked up on by teachers. It IS ultimately up to the parents to follow up on it, but teachers make recommendations along those lines frequently. Safe sex is also frequently taught in public schools. "Good education" is obviously a subjective term, but even some of the worst public school educations are probably better than none at all.
@@Gendo3s2k yeah the kids who went to the only high school in my town didn't do much better
@@thatjillgirl teachers aren't doctors, and aren't any more knowledge about ADHD (or eyesight) than the average parent. If a teacher can pick up on it, the parent can as well. If a teacher can miss it, so can a parent.
There were a lot of ridiculous ways I expected the podcast lady to describe her child’s education, but “making a wonderful Nazi” was NOT one of them
I believe that was the one from Sandusky,Ohio. It fits right in with Ohio's gerrymandered Red majority.
I yelled holy fuck at the tv so loud when she said nazi it scared my cats!
Yep, that pause gave me lots of ideas, but Nazi definitely didn't come to mind.
I expected a "Christian", or something similar after the pause, but then boom. 🤯
Well she is a conservative so….
My sister and I were homeschooled and loved it. It helped get her out of a system that couldn't handle her ADHD needs, and get me away from bullies. We also live in country where you have to follow an approved curriculum, with actual qualified teachers checking your progress as you go to make sure you're meeting the national standards for mandatory education. I'm a big home-schooling advocate, but not the way America does it.
Before you judge a subject, you must do your own research. This man is lying. Its scary how many people are blindly commenting their opinion based on a mans words. When i tell other parents i homeschool, they always ask why. I have never had a teacher ask me why i homeschool, they always say they are happy to hear it. That sticks with me and helps encourage me despite others opinions.
@@Imaduplicate There are real and significant problems with many of the available American home-school curriculums, though. For example, Abeka and ATI curriculums are both severely lacking in many areas and do not meet mandatory requirements for many other countries, although Abeka is definitely superior to ATI. I am actually fairly well researched in this area, as it's of interest to me as a homeschooling advocate.
Homeschooling is a tool, it needs regulating
@@Imaduplicate I'm not going to believe any of that, based on an anonymous comment.
@@minez5628 Actually many states do regulate it, the laws with homeschool are by state because states have more power in this case thanks to our bill of rights. If you have an issue with it, take it up to congress and push for a bill to change it :)
It's insane that parents aren't even required to have a high school degree in order to homeschool.
Where I’m from there was more regulation and I believe there still is. My mom had to be a graduate herself of any grade she was teaching me. She was also required to keep any and all paperwork from a certain grade on (she kept all the paperwork from 1st to 7th grade) and when I went back to school, I was actually placed ahead when taking their testing and I got put a grade ahead thanks to my mom.
The rules regarding homeschooling vary widely from state to state.
My aunt pulled both of her kids out of school in order to 'homeschool' them. She has no diploma, has had multiple reports of child abuse, and is a felon. What the fuck
My sister-in-law has a 5th grade education and dropped out of school in 10th grade, and she's homeschooling her kids. Lord help those kids.
I know someone who says she going to homeschool her nonverbal son. She dropped out of school when she was 16. She’s been limited on jobs her entire adult life. She’s missing a lot of info. But she’s going to teach her son everything he needs? She doesn’t even know the things he needs herself!
I was severely bullied in school and was probably one more semester away from un-aliving myself. My mother's offer to homeschool me so that I could complete my education without being tortured daily was a blessing. We were incredibly surprised by the lack of regulation and reporting that we had to do. We made sure that we met all of the public high school standards regardless of the fact that we weren't expected to. Sadly not all homeschool families do. I am absolutely an advocate for homeschooling being a legal and available option, but there Really needs to be better oversight.
You're and John's take was much more nuanced than what I was expecting. I was just expecting the horror stories. I appreciate you sharing. And. Making me see things in a different way. It's a more complex convo thanI realized. And yeah. That bullying is traumatic as hell. I hope you're doing okay now!
And as a trans kid in Catholic school, who both bullied to stay in the closet/ was bullied? My parents wondered if us going through the system was the best idea. It's. Just. It was hard for me to give up the few friends I DID have. So I stayed. Even if it wasn't good for me. But I was in the closet. And had some other ways to be safe. It sounds like your bullies were waaaay worse
@@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 sadly there are plenty of horror stories because of the lack of regulation and standards. I have one friend my own age who was homeschooled by her mother but unfortunately had to do a lot of independent catch up when she came of age (academically and socially speaking). However there are definitely many good reasons why some families may choose that path and that it may be a better option for their children. I currently have a friend who is homeschooling her kids. Her middle child, like me, was bullied because he's "different" (and I don't mean that there's anything wrong with him I just mean that he definitely marches to the beat of his own drum), her older son is severely autistic. This was a tough choice for their family to make because it means that she is unable to work full time and it hurts them financially. However she noticed that both of her sons actually blossomed and showed vast improvement to their emotional health during the pandemic when they did not have to go to public school anymore. It made her decide that it was worth the sacrifice to stay home and teach them so that they did not have to go back to an environment that did not fit their needs (The children were given a choice in the matter). She too absolutely was surprised by the lack of regulation. On one hand she's glad it's easy (on a paperwork level), But on the other she acknowledges that this could way too easily be taken advantage of. I have noticed that most of the people who object strenuously to increasing regulation and standards for homeschooling are the ones who are probably in the most need of oversight.
@@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 also I am doing better these days. I too blossomed once I was removed from that environment. My mom said it was like meeting me all over again as she watched me grow from being afraid of my own shadow. I'm glad that the topic is getting a lot more attention these days because it really needs that attention. When I was a kid everyone told me to "just ignore it or they're jealous of you". Trust me if they don't let you ignore it. I'm sorry for what you went through as well. I do understand how it was difficult to give up on the few friends you did have and it's not a choice that suits everybody. I hope you are okay as well.
@sadwhitewolf I'm so glad to hear you had a good experience! I did not, and that's why I volunteer with the Coalition for Responsible Home Education--it's run by homeschool alumni and exists to advocate for homeschooled kids and change the laws to create better oversight. Always looking for homeschool alumni that support protections and oversight--the Voices for Reform project provides that opportunity. We don't advocate for homeschooling to be banned, we advocate for reasonable and appropriate protections.
Former homeschool kid here. My mother was SEVERELY mentally ill - she was hospitalized several times, made multiple suicide attempts (a few in front of me) and a handful of (undocumented) murder attempts while in the throes of hallucinations, and she was able to homeschool us. The homeschool group leader knew about her mental health issues and did not or could not forbid it. Absolutely insane. We were poorly educated and poorly socialized and had no idea our situation was not normal.
Wow mlau, really sorry to hear that...I hope you've been able to adjust some...to heal at least a little, but that's likely going to follow you for life, huh? Developing in childhood is so important to adulthoot...as if life isn't hard enough, not being given a fair chance from the get-go is such a travesty. I sure hope you have had relationship enough with your siblings to be able to support each other. My heart goes out to you...I hope you've found peace and love in your life.
My mother emotionally abused, abandoned and neglected me as she was as a child. I am SO glad she didn't homeschool me as she was a teacher herself.
Holy shit. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
Wow, thanks folks. Honestly my situation could have been worse. My mother was mostly just neglectful and inconsistent and very occasionally frightening. Day to day she was mostly depressed and unresponsive with occasional fits of mania that led to field trips and periods of socializing. She never beat us and had good intentions, she was just too mentally ill and religiously brainwashed to be a good teacher or mom. Especially to already traumatized kids.
We're all doing pretty well now. I became the first person in my family to get a master's degree and I have a loving husband. I've been in therapy for years now and gave up religion and have way less fear and shame in my life. My mom is still mentally ill and causes chaos in our lives regularly but she's also manipulative and charismatic when not depressed or delusional so she keeps avoiding conservatorship. Mental health care for the truly ill in this country is dysfunctional and causes no end of harm and trauma to those caught in the cycle.
Homeschooling was a savior for mysiblings because of how bad the school was in how they did not protect them from being bullied relentlessly. My mom was unable to get any headway with the school administrators about it.
Yep, I feel like people here are whitewashing their public school experiences. It's very publicly well known that violence, bullying, sexual abuse, drug usage, and gunshots, etc. are far more common in public schools than they should be.
Completely relate to this. They do nothing about the antagonistic bullies nowadays 😢
Teachers are some of the biggest bullies
@@majesticwonder exactly!!
I have to speak to the other side of this. I homeschool my 13 yo son. He is legally blind and has emotional struggles. Public school couldn't manage him and decided that he belonged in a behavioral school because he would run out of the classroom up and down the halls. These 'behavioral schools' were teaching 5th graders how to write 3 word sentences (I observed this on a tour). My child had an assessed IQ of 145, was reading Dr Suess and Pooh books fluently by 3yo and entered kindergarten doing long division and multiplication in his head. I decided to homeschool in 3rd grade. He was allowed to run and jump at will and educated in between. His emotional issues mellowed when allowed more movement. He is given State testing and is on grade level with writing, but all other subjects is 1-5 years ahead. He is in 8th grade now, and next semester he will be attending his first community college class. I agree that homeschooling should be more regulated, but not because it's all bad. I know many families just like mine, that are homeschooling and find their children soaring far beyond what they were capable of doing in public schools.
Yes but this is why it should be regulated, your son would be still thriving homeschooled, and we wouldn't have situation where kids are basically forgotten in the system.
No one is arguing that homeschooling is all bad.
@@khadeejones1136idk, a lot of these comments are only focusing on the bad and ignoring all the problems with public school while at it. There's not much "it is also good"
@@nikkisigmon8090thank you!!! The government needs to be regulated!! This is pathetic!! So many beyond anything I can't count who can't even think for themselves and are just ready jump on anything a so called celebrity said! Sad and pathetic!
Thank you. I homeschool my child for a similar reason. He's autistic, and did fine in public school until fifth grade. He was in a new school that failed to provide a viable education plan for him and had a teacher who would touch her students a lot . I don't have a problem with that as long as the student is comfortable with it. My child is very uncomfortable with hugs, etc. but he also doesn't express his discomfort, he just becomes more and more shut down to the entire environment. I don't know how many meetings I had with his teacher, the counselor, the principal. Finally the break between semesters I removed him from school. I had found an online resource of teaching materials and the expectations of the state regarding what he was supposed to master by the end of the year. I spent the summer trying to find as many resources as possible to carry on, just seeing him not dreading starting lessons and not ending the day completely shut down and nonverbal was worth it.
I was abused and neglected by my parents my entire childhood. I can say with complete confidence that public school saved my life. My teachers weren't even aware of what was happening. Nobody called CPS. But just having somewhere to go spend my days where the focus was teaching me what I needed to know to become independent and free of the abuse someday, the empowerment and hope I found there every day, saved my life. Even just having somewhere to go where I didn't have to be on my guard every second was a life safer.
Ditto! 100% relatable.
I'm so sorry that you had to go through that. I'm wishing you peace, happiness, and strong self-esteem.
Public schools are a complete cultural failure and the news reports are my evidence that public schools are public fools!
What about kids abused at school? I was bullied so bad it was torture. I WISHED my parents could have homeschooled me like they wanted. School was hell for me. Principal wouldn't do anything, and the counselor said my feelings of anxiety were normal and to get over it. It got so bad I started skipping classes and entire days sometimes. Then the counselor went around to all my classes and told the teachers not to accept any makeup work from me, although only 2 listened. I had As and Bs in all but those 2, including A+ in AP Bio. Then the admin were like, well clearly you don't want to be here and then kicked me out (school is only required to age 16 here) and said they'd call the police if I showed back up. My parents tried to intervene through out, including when my books were stolen and vandalized with messages like " kill yourself fat cunt" (even though I wasn't fat, those trolls thought I had anorexia, and they'd try to make it worse). The principal just played it off like it was nothing.
@@cyborgraptor1778 of course. Thats always the argument isn't it? I was abused plenty at school too, as it happens. I'm going to set aside for a moment the implication that there's some sort of dichotomy here where the only way to protect kids who are abused at school is to leave then in the unsupervised, unchecked, uninhibited care of their parents. Thats beyond absurd, but it's also beyond the point. A kid who is abused at school has recourse. Sure, the system fails. There are schools where you have jaded counselors or no counselors, where admin doesn't care or can't be bothered or is overwhelmed. I get it. I used to teach. But a school has regulations it is bound by. If a counselor won't help, there's someone else you can go to. If admin won't do anything there are steps you can take. Other people you can appeal to, other authority you can bring to bear. All too often people don't, but there are avenues. A child that is abused at home most often doesn't even know they're being abused. Their only way to get help is to have time away from the home where someone they trust can see what they don't, recognize it for what it is, and report it to the appropriate authorities. Even just talk to other kids and find out that their mommies don't say the same sorts of things to them that yours says to you. That their parents don't pick out what they're wearing to school today by criteria like what will cover all the bruises. I taught for 3 years. And walked away because the current system is appalling in many ways. But one of the few things the system does well is protect children from abuse. I also went to college in Utah, and met a number of women who ran away from fundamentalist circles. Their girls don't go to public school. They don't watch TV. They don't talk to anyone outside the cult. That's because it's a lot harder to marry a 14 year old off to whoever the prophet gave them to when they go to school and talk to other people. Its a lot harder to get them to cooperate when they know they have rights and there are other ways to live that don't involve being raped by someone old enough to be your grandfather whenever the mood strikes him. We can protect all the kids. And we should. And the first and by far the most important step in that is recognizing that children are people too, and they have rights of their own, that should be protected. Even from their parents. Especially from their parents. 9 out of 10 times, its mommy and daddy abusing the child. Parents have far too much control over education right now and it's literally killing the kids. It sucks that you had a hard time at school. I get it. I had someone spit an entire mouthfull of water in my face once right outside my classroom with complete impunity. But at school there are ways to reach out for help that simply don't exist at home.
I was homeschooled by an abusive family in a completely unregulated state. Spent all of my teenage years in isolation, unable to escape. I became suicidal and repeatedly begged my parents to let me get psychiatric help, but they told me I just needed to pray to get better. The only thing that saved my life was running away once I was over the age of majority. Hearing about the HSLDA literally gave me flashbacks to that time. I'm remembering now how when Raylee's Law was being proposed, I read about it in the HSLDA member magazine being this huge violation of freedom. I never even knew what it was actually for until today.
I hope you are receiving the support you need - it’s what we all need! Keep safe & know you not alone 💕Please reach out
Glad to know you got away Hope you can find the help you most likely need Love from Texas
I´m sorry if my questions are inappropriate, and you should feel completely free to not answer any of them, but I am really interested in learning more about your situation. The notion of them telling you that you just needed to pray to get better. What do you think was going on in their mind? What were they thinking? Do you think they genuinely thought it would work, or do you think it was just manipulation? Or something else entirely? Again, don´t answer if you don´t want to.
I’m so sorry that happened to you, and I’m happy you got away. I hope you’ve learned how to reach out for help and resources and care.
I have so much love and compassion for you, and I wish I could hug you. I was there with you, miles apart, crying with you in isolation. I hope one day to fully heal, and I hope that you can too.
I used to teach martial arts to schools. We had a large hall and each day a different school would bus their kids in. Thursday were the homeschool kids. They were completely bereft of certain skills. None of them had any idea what "form a line" meant. Even if you physically placed them in a spot in line, the second you let go of them, they would simply follow you. Each of them thought that everything the teachers said was a personal conversation with them. Imagine 20 kids all just telling you whatever popped into their heads at any moment while you are trying to instruct all of them.
Don't celebrate the death of Henry Kissinger and John completing his Bingo card -- celebrate the fact that Jimmy Carter outlived that monster and can now go home to Rosalynn.
Why not celebrate both?
Not anymore. She died too.
@@Kaiheart 🤦🏽♂️
@@Kaiheart going home in this context means president Carter will go "home" (to heaven) to be with his beloved wife, who is already in heaven.
@maryarney1350 I'm not religious and the way it was worded felt literal, so that's how I took it
I adopted 3 kids from foster care, the oldest was 8 and almost done with grade 3. He started grade 4, it was a weekend and I found a math sheet website and printed off and gave it to him, he couldn’t do it, I worked backwards and ended up at the kindergarten level. I knew that while they were in care he would be removed from school due to behaviour. The next day when I picked him up from school, I told the teacher I was pulling him out of school. I have never seen such a look of relief in my life. 2 hours a day, we did Korean math, hooked on phonics, got some science books from kindergarten to grade 5. I put him back into school for grade 5. His behaviour improved as he could finally participate in the class. He told me when he was in grade 10, that the stuff I taught him took through grade 10. I did so he didn’t think he was dumb, as he wasn’t, he was just a victim of the foster system.
You are one awesome human being.
@@lr9983She's an awesome mother.
What is Korean math?
@@Nobunagawa it's like regular maths, but exquisitely choreographed
@@HerrCron Yeah, it's taught by YG enterprises.
As a child who was homeschooled by an abusive parent, this story hits home. Thank you, John Oliver and everyone at Last Week Tonight. This country would be a lot better if we could all accept that children are people, not parental property, and they deserve rights, too.
Hope things are looking up for you now!!!
I’ve heard of parents who claim they are homeschooling but in reality they’re doing nothing.
@@s70driver2005 They are, but there are still countless children in my former situation, and things aren't looking up.
You might appreciate the work @Responsiblehomeschoolingorg has been doing
Should have went public schooling, you payed for it in taxes.
22:40 looks like John has just gotten his full bingo! yay!!
I literally just watched this episode yesterday. What perfect timing!
@BodySprayMan same! I was like wtf time-line are we in now?
It was pretty awkward that my first thought at the news was "Bingo, John, you got a Bingo!" 😅
My homeschooling experience was a nightmare. I had to relearn everything as an adult because the curriculum was so religiously eschewed. Between that and the audacity my parents had to believe they could teach 5 kids an education they didn’t even finish themselves…and well I’m sure you can imagine how that went.
I knew a woman who homeschooled her children, and they seem to bee success stories; but the lady was kinda'odd when she heard of others' abilities or performances beecause HER CHILDREN couldn't do that at that age. I mean, in a class of 2, your kids are always going to bee the top of the class; but that doesn't mean they'd still bee top in a class of 400 students.
@@waitz001 be, not bee.
*skewed skew (pronounced skyoo) - to bias, distort, tilt in a certain direction Whereas eschew (eh-shoo) means to avoid or side-step something. Thx for sharing. Crazy.
In my country, it's mandatory for children to go to schools and I doubt that homeschooling even exists other than in case of serious medical conditions that would deny the child the ability to attend school. Personally, homeschooling doesn't make sense from educational perspective, even if you fully devote to educate your child according to the regular school programs. Even if you use the mandated books, a parent isn't a substitute for a teacher especially when teachers specialise with their education for the purpose of teaching a single subject to students. I doubt that even a well educated parent can substitute every subject teacher other than maybe for the early part of primary school. Schools exist for a reason, if anyone could teach everything, people wouldn't study to be teachers. Homeschooling should only exist in case a student isn't able to attend school or attendance does more harm than good as with extreme cases of bullying. Not for you to think you could teach your child whatever you want and basically educationally maim him/her in the future.
@@GrantLeeEdwardsGo easy on him - he was homeschooled.
I was pulled out of school after the 4th grade by my abusive mother. She kept me in isolation for nearly 7 years, and did not homeschool me. Had this been noticed, it would have saved me from the trauma I endured. It stunted not only my educational growth, but my social growth. I thank god for the internet because that’s how I managed to escape at 16. But not every kid figures out a way to get help when they aren’t in public school.
What the actual fuck??? How are you doing now?
This is the story of my younger half sister. She didn't get to leave the house for 9 years. I wish y'all could talk because it's one thing I know I'll never understand how truly awful it was since I lived with my dad.
Same
@@anna-fleurfarnsworth104 i'm doing good actually! graduated high school a couple years later, and i am currently a student at one of the top 5 universities in the world. happy endings exist, thankfully!
@@gracew8548 always open to a convo! i am so proud of your sister, and i hope you don't blame yourself in any way.
I was homeschooled 12 years. Got my master's degree...went on to be hospital director and manage the transport and care of every Ebola patient in 2014. I know many surgeons, lawyers, architects and even members of Congress who were homeschooled. Did I enjoy it? No. But it is comparable to a private school education for 1/10 the cost.
Thank you! I am thinking of homeschooling my son because the oublic education system sucks here in nyc & he is currently in private school but it is expensive. The owner of the school regularly gives me materials for him to learn at home and I feel confident enough to teach it to him. I dont think its for everyone but it definitely seems to work for some.
22:43 - Well, you-know-who finally you-know-what. BINGO!
22:45 This clip just randomly popped up on my watch list.
@@bbear1928 The algorithm hurts sometimes, but graced us with mercy over Kissinger.
At the very least, home-schooled children should be required to take a standard test to see if they are actually learning anything.
I agree and one not administered by their parents.
It is actualy the case in other countries. We have a homeschooling public agence in France (cned). It gives both the teaching material, yearly program and test kids at least 4 times a year. It is mainly used by expats in countries where schools are not that good (like the US😅) but also for homeschooling in France. (For kids with handicps or that have a hard time going in class) Works quite well.
And be forced to attend public school if they anything but ace said test.
@@larry6601 We do take standardized tests in public school. It's kind of like a big thing. It happens every year to determine if the school is teaching up to standards or not. Schools that have too many students perform poorly lose funding even. It must be very hard to be as dense as you.
Homeschooling without such tests is the dumbest thing a government can allow.
"Having a child doesn't make you virtuous" is something more people need to hear
They won’t hear it.
@@andybaldman - gotta get one of those driving billboards to have it written in large font with a regular sound byte of it repeating every 10-20 seconds or so.
The sacrifice, self-denial, and discipline required to be a good parent does.
@@davidgarcia1163 But not every parent is a good one, and many parents aren't into sacrifice, self-denial, and displine.
It USUALLY makes you more responsible, but not always.
I don't understand why they're not mandated to take midterms and end of year tests to determine if the child is meeting standard
22:40 FULL BINGO CARD 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I was in a terribly abusive home where I was locked in my room for weeks at a time. The ONLY thing that saved me was the fact that I had to go to school. It was my only opportunity to interact with others and to get away from the horror that was my home life. I know people who have had wonderful experiences with homeschooling, and I support it - with supervision. But the safety element of having other people involved in a child’s life should be maintained.
Thats horrible and im so sorry for you. Otoh public school teachers fuck kids regularly so thats not always the safest option either
PS don't provide that. A mother(5 kids) allowed her BF to beat her kids. The oldest girl ran away, the youngest girl lived with her father's mother, he beat one of the boys to death, and the mom and BF left them there and moved to another place. Neighbors would see the boys both under 13 and give them food but they would only eat pizza candy and packaged food because they thought they would be poisoned. When the cop found them the boy that was killed was a skeleton it had been a year. All those kids should have been in school why were there no reports by PS. Many cases the school are also abusing kids. What is needed is community people looking out for others that's what will stop abuse not PS
Public schools have a lot of sexual abuse.
Homeschooling can be an inventive, creative choice for many parents. However, it can also be a vehicle for subterfuge for parents with more nefarious motives, such as hiding child abuse in the home. I'm truly sorry that you experienced such trauma at an early age, and I'm glad the public school system gave you at least some relief from your abusive home situation.
I lived a similar childhood. I was always grounded to my room. I could tell who got home from the sound of them walking.
I was homeschooled from age 5 until 18. Went to one of the more prestigious universities in the USA through PhD. I got a great job out of school and am happily married. As John Oliver said, there is a very high ceiling, but he’s right that there also is no bottom. The lack of regulation did allow my parents to tailor a schedule allowing me to exceed expectations both in academics and extracurriculars, but on the other side, there’s others who are completely neglected.
As a fellow homeschooled kid, I think this is definitely the right idea. I really don't get the impulse to make it totally unregulated even if too much red tape is a possibility that should be avoided.
This was my experience as well. I became disabled my first year of college and never completed due to cost and accessibility, but I have a very solid k-12 education thanks to determined parents.
This is the kind of thing we’re aiming for with our family. We’re able to accelerate in places, and take extra time in others. Public school doesn’t accommodate that at all. But HSLDA isn’t about that, it’s about destroying the entire public school system and pushing evangelical Christian nationalism.
There's no bottom in public school either. They pass students who can't read, ignore students who are getting hurt, and let kids fail until they age out at 18. That's how it's been for years here in Tennessee.
@cs5384 this. My wife is a teacher and after teaching in shitty public schools where they are "strongly encouraged" to pass functionally illiterate 7th graders she wants to homeschool.
I grew up in Canada but my two younger brothers were "homeschooled" for a year and it had such damaging, long lasting effects. The one brother was in Gr. 4 and the other was in Gr. 1. The one in Gr. 4 had major behavioural issues and instead of my parents confronting, disciplining him or getting him tested, my mom blamed the school and thought she could do way better. Even worse is the one in Gr. 1 was only homeschooled so the older brother didn't feel singled out, like no other reason than pandering to the other brother. He was doing fine in school and was just a regular 6 yr old who got yanked out on my mom's whim. My mom decided the best course of action was to start them both over with kindergarten work and go from there. The problem was they would act up and she would get sick of "teaching" in less than an hour and than let them run around. I would come home from school (there were 4 more of us that just went to a normal school) and they'd be running around and saying they hadn't done anything that day. Skip ahead to them going back to regular school and they were both so far behind but the school board said they had to be put in the correct grade to their age despite my mom insisting they start two grades down. They missed so much proper and crucial education and were left playing catch up the rest of their education. My mom to this day thinks this was a good decision and had no negative consequences on them. The older one should have had testing for special needs and given proper support in a school and the younger one struggles socially, like essentially he was screwed over by my mom thinking she knew best.
Did Canada keep the $29k/year is taxes they collected for public school or give it the the parents to help with home schooling? Two kids and $60k per year for them would have been a lot more than your describing, so I'm guessing the government was happy to collect that tax and ignore the family.
@@deshawnwashington3798 Lol, yea, I can tell you now my parents never got any money for home-schooling, especially since we were very poor and that kind of money would have made the world of difference.
My parents abused the hell out of me, and going to public school was the only reason I didn't take my own life - I had friends to give me hope each and every day, despite the horrors I knew I was going home to... if I had been 'homeschooled'? I wouldn't be here today. All during Covid I couldn't stop feeling sick, thinking about if I had been a kid during that time, and had been stuck with my narcissist stepmother during that time...and I was so ill thinking about all of the poor kids being abused at home, with no escape, but this information in this video...is... scary. Horrifying.
"To make sure your child will be a wonderful nazi" that hit me like a fucking freight train
Same dude just how can that even be a group of words that falls outta someone's mouth. Egh its terrible
Unfortunately most people will do nothing with this information.
Honestly, I read up about that once before this episode aired (though it's still wild to hear that admittance all the same). The part mentioned of dead or sexually abused children during homeschooling hit me harder by comparison to the Nazi shit, which is already rather hard enough.
@@ghin780what even is the solution to this kind of problem? Send federal agents deep into rural America, where these nazis often reside, to enforce the quashing of nazism? I mean, if they live in the cities, it should be easy enough, but we can’t even guarantee that our local law enforcement officers don’t harbor these asshats. That’s all before talking about guns.
@@ziqi92could always go back in time, convince the US Government to actually punish the Confederacy after the Civil War instead of naming half our military bases after men we fought a war against. Like, you know. As a start.
I was homeschooled k-12. I grew up in religious extremism. For school we had classical music time, handwriting, bible, math and chores, with most time spent on chores. I was so lucky that i also had access to the internet. Crash course and online education gave me a way out. I’m now working on my PhD in molecular biology. It hurts that my mom takes credit for my success after all i had to do on my own as a child to survive the abuse and neglect my siblings and I went through.
homeschoolers fucking love cursive and classical music lmao
Parental delusions 🙄
Congratulations on your stamina and success!
@@bonniebrush94 thank you! I’m in my mid 20s now and I’m still stumbling into situations common for others but completely new to me. Stamina is such a good word for it!
I don't know you, but I'm so happy for you that you were able to educate yourself and continue on to college. You should be very proud of yourself. I hope your siblings are doing well in life too, despite their upbringing.
Good Going British Milhouse, you killed Kissinger. 😂
I was just thinking about that! Hahaha! Man I hope he does a reference to this sometime in the near future XD
I sobbed while watching this. As a former homeschooled child, thank you John Oliver for sharing our story to the world. When I was young, I wish I knew there was a place for me to report child abuse from my parents, but obviously my parents never told me they existed. This is an ongoing issue not just in America, but across the globe. We need common sense regulations that protect homeschooled children from neglect and abuse.
I'm the lobbyist at the organization mentioned in the segment that's fighting for common-sense reform-- Coalition for Responsible Home Education. We're founded and run by homeschool alumni, and we always center the voices of other alum. If you'd like to get involved in fighting for better laws, check us out! I'd love to have you on the team.
Homeschooling wasn’t a thing when I was growing up. From my perspective, it was older people talking about homeschooling their kids. Now we get to hear from the kids. Thank you for sharing your story.
@@samanthafield8754ooh yay, lobbyists 🤢
We need common sense regulations to protect all kids. I had surgeries in my 50s to fix damage done to me by my mom when I was a teenager - and I went to public school. When the school personnel noticed I was becoming more and more depressed they helped get me into a private school, then they went to drugging me, which made things worse. None of it helped because the cause was never addressed. The one thing no one did was look at my mom because she was the local accountant and highly respected.
It's made worse if kids have to have a car to socialize with others away from home, or have to depend on their parents to schedule to drive them anywhere.
Former homeschooled evangelical kid from Oklahoma here: thank you for this. I ended up relatively unscathed but I witnessed a huge variety of questionable treatment of fellow homeschooled kids over the years. And the political leanings of some of those families was frightening to say the least. Kids are being traumatized, brainwashed and neglected and are essentially invisible to anyone who can help them. It’s the easiest way to raise a generation of obedient voters, so the HSLDA knows what its doing.
It’s kind of the most blatant form of ‘no oversight’ that we have in America, which is absolutely disgusting when you remember that we’re talking about CHILDREN.
unsurprisingly those that have decried child indoctrination the loudest are actually protecting their brand of indoctrination. It's free thinking that they oppose the most.
*This is the very definition of GROOMING.*
And you don't hear the irony when you say that it creates a new generation of obedient voters? Precisely what do you think the public school system is designed to do? And that's to say nothing of shows like this.
@@marklesniak8038 what the hell are you talking about ...public schools do NOT teach kids to be obedient voters...lol for who....wow have a feeling you were homeschool by God go to your local library and educate yourself
22:40 well well well. Look who just got a full bingo card: That man up there! (As in John Oliver)
My granddaughter is being homeschooling right now. There are a few programs out there. The school needed verification of vaccinations and registration exactly like public schools. She also had to report yearly for her standard testing, just like public schools. Meet ups for art, music, clubs, and physical fitness events. What she didn't get to experience was bulling, peer pressure, and most importantly active shooter drills. She was already home schooling when the pandemic happened so her world never skipped a beat. She is scoring way higher then the children in our state in public schools.
I'm glad she has access to a real, helpful homeschool program and that she is getting a good education regardless of where. Good on y'all.
That's great. You're in one of the good states John talked about then. Lucky
There are good homeschooling associations out there however, there are also homeschooled kids like the ones that live across the street from my mother-in-law. The teacher is a recovering drug addict 15 years sober so that’s good but at 8 AM she turns her kids out in the yard with guns And they shoot all day. These kids are now old enough to drive, and cannot read or do basic arithmetic because all they’ve done for the last 10 years is hang out outside and shoot beer cans. Mom is off the drugs. She is not off the alcohol.
I was one of these homeschool kids. I never learned anything. My school schedule, when I had one, was reading the bible or doing a chapter of one of those Christian textbooks. Most of them, decades out of date because my mom bought them second-hand. When I complained about this, she signed me up for an online school. She never checked in on me, made a schedule, or even helped me with my work. She only scolded me when it didn't get done. I regret not studying harder. But I was only 12 when it all started, so I didn't know much better. By the time high school came around, I was so lonely I became severely depressed. I had no sports, no extracurricular activities, and no friends. My family had moved away from our extended family so I couldn't even get any companionship from my grandparents. I had no siblings at the time either. It was me, my mom, and my dad. I cannot begin to describe how lonely and how scarring it is to spend 6 years all alone, with nothing but historically inaccurate textbooks to keep you company. Especially since my mom actually stopped bothering to buy new ones. I was still using the same curriculum from when I was 12. Recently, I studied extremely hard on Khan Academy. Starting from their 7th grade curriculum and onwards, I brought myself up to speed and took the ASVAB. I got a 94/99. My parents take credit for my score, saying that I get my intelligence from my dad. They did nothing. I did everything. I'm a survivor of this bullshit. I pushed through and studied on my own, but no one should have to go through what I did. We need to fix the regulation of homeschooling. It's the perfect abuse tactic. Fuck parents rights. A child's right to a proper education is so much more important.
You are a badass.
We are all proud of you!
That’s amazing! I wish you all the best and future success in whatever your endeavors are.
Your experience sounds eerily similar to my own, in every area, even the part about working your ass off to get good grades later on and parents taking credit for your hard work. Either way, good job on rising above the setback you went through, I know it's not easy at all. I look at what I went through as something to NOT put my future children through.
"They did nothing. I did everything." - Damn right you did. You owe them nothing. Keep it up!
The pause between "Wonderful" and "Nazi" was so perfectly timed. She KNEW what she was saying, KNEW what people would think, had to FULL PAUSE TO SAY IT, and still went ahead with it. In a movie or stand-up it would be a comedic pause, followed by a perfect subversion of expectations. Tragedy and comedy truly are two sides of the same coin.
Well put! Comedy is almost always at the expense of someone or something. There is, of course, a difference between being light-hearted about it, or being downright mean to someone. But I have no issues being mean to a nazi. Especially when she's indoctrinating her own kids.
"Comedy = Tragedy + Time" - Portal 2 soundtrack
Really appreciated this look at homeschooling in America, and for Last Week bringing more general awareness to it. I asked my parents to take me out of school in the 3rd grade, my rational at the time being that I was finishing my assignments faster than any of the other kids and didn't like having to wait to move on to the next class, and it happened that my mother worked part-time from home so she was willing to try it out with me. I spent nine years studying at home before I got my GED through the local college university, At first we used a mail-order curriculum that sent us the books and tests we had to send back to them for grading, so in a way I was being monitored. Once my mother and I felt we'd got the hang of it, we went off on our own and aside from the basics (Math, English...etc.) she let me pick a lot of things I wanted to learn about for other subjects. e.g. For history I did the standard western trip from Greece/Rome to Europe to America, but I also spent time studying Egyptian and Japanese history because those were things I was curious about. She also taught me how to sew, cook, and keep a sketch diary. I love learning so it wasn't difficult to get me trying new things. Long story short, I'm 38 now and in my Junior year of college. I tried college after high school but I didn't know what I wanted to do yet, so I spent my twenties traveling and figuring out the world. I decided I was ready to try the classroom again right before the pandemic hit(not the greatest of timing). Now I have an Associates degree with honors, am carrying a 3.5 GPA, made the Dean's List, wrote and edited for my college campus' semesterly magazine, was twice elected to Vice President of Student Government, and was just awarded an undergraduate research grant through my school that is only given to three students a year. I don't how much of an outlier that makes me, certainly "non-traditional" as the federal government prefers to call me. I had homeschooled friends who I saw their parents being way more controlling than mine, not necessarily abusive but certainly causing arguments at home as they got older and more independent. One of my homeschooled friends went on to work for NASA at the JPL and was on the team that sent the first rover to Mars. That's pretty cool. Anyway, I guess this is to say that John is right in saying you've probably interacted with a homeschooler in your day-to-day and never would have guessed. Also, yes some regulation for these children seems like the way to go when they don't have any legal way to speak up for themselves.
Thanks for this insight- Your journey is what I’m hoping to offer my daughters- be the ceo of their lives and keep that love of learning alive!
This is beautiful 😮
I have a bachelors degree and two master's degrees. I don't presume to think I could homeschool a kid nor do I presume to think I actually could teach the material better than a professional teacher. It's more than just 1+1=2, it's having that "bedside manner" that teachers usually have. It's a craft for sure how teachers actually teach and I know that while I'm very intelligent and a great learner, I am not a good teacher. Also, the thought of being at home all day with a kid and teaching elementary material sounds absolutely horrible lol
Well, its not for everyone!
I was "homeschooled" in high school. My parents basically gave me textbooks and expected me not only to teach myself but to grade myself. I spent four years doing effectively nothing but reading for fun and writing anime fanfic, and lying about what I was doing.
Hey mood. I was homeschooled 4th-7th grade. I knew where they kept the answer books so I just waited until they were distracted and wrote down all the answers.
So, what are you doing for a job now?
@@TheAccidentalViking She is a Harvard professor.
Sounds similar to a lot of progress t high school experience
Sounds like perfect qualifications for a republican candidate, kind of sound overqualified in comparison to trump.
As someone who was put through exactly this, thank you for covering this. Seriously, it means the world to me. My father is a preacher, and my parents were abusive. They hid behind the wall of homeschooling to avoid any consequences.
I’m so sorry for what you went through. It’s even another layer of disgusting because preachers/pastors are required to be mandated reporters. You deserved better. ❤
That's horrible. Just know that family trees don't need to be organic, the branches you graft are valid. If your family is awful, cut those branches from the tree and graft some new friends in their place. Nobody should be putting up with abuse, regardless of the source.
I'm sorry for what you faced. Parents are expected to protect their children but religious parents somehow put their religion over their kids.
It really sucks. Your parents have so much control over your life, you go to anyone and risk retaliation.
...and is it one of those non-denominational "churches"?
Homeschooled my kids, they graduated by taking the High School equivalency exam at 13 and 14. They went to local community college and after collecting 70 transferable credit unites went on to UCSD where they graduated. One with a Phd in Applied Mathematics and the other with a Master's in International Business and another Master's in Linguistics. One has his own business and the other heads up the AI department for a large corporation. But in fairness, homeschooling is not for everyone and John Oliver makes some excellent points in this segment.
22:41 Hey, congrats on the bingo!
Imagine caring more about parents having to deal with regulations than children being abused. Disgusting.
Public school kids are abused by their parents too.
Welcome to America, the country of giant babies that will literally step over bodies in the streets as long as nobody has the authority to tell them "no".
well... only the parents are allowed to vote 😬
Same type of people that think that every fetus should be required to be born but fuck all that noise about making sure health care and food assistance is available afterward
@@Lectrikfroso true!
“Lobbying” is a term we use to soften what is bribery. We need to stop using that term and unnormalize buying legislation
Or maybe we should un-normalize acting like lobbyism is a good thing
@@_ee75 1) making it illigal would do just that. 2) moral arguemnts dont matter to the dipsh*ts ruling our countrys. 3) First step before anything else is to take the power to investigate and "punish" the wrongdoing of government members/politicians AWAY FROM THE GOVERNMENT! Because as long as they hold the power to police themselfs... guess what? NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
Poetry.
@@_ee75 There is some lobbying that is good. As an example, in Oregon, a high school girl became friends with a holocaust survivor, and through that friendship, they lobbied to change Oregon law to require studying the holocaust, whereas previously it was not required. There was no big corporations or lavish spending here. But, it still was lobbying.
@@_ee75on paper it's at worst morally neutral. Lobbying is just advocating your local government for a specific issue Unfortunately, in practice it's just become legalized bribery
Darth Vader is such a parent, he made it a part of his fancy name change. That's a deep cut joke right there.
It’s hard because some people genuinely thrive under independant study environments. My friend’s brother went homeschool during the pandemic, and when he came back briefly, he hated it. He went back to homeschool full time. His autism makes normal school difficult and way more stress than it’s worth, so homeschool is a great alternative. Hell, I’d probably do way better in a small-group environment with a lot more teacher engagement. I wish this environments were more common, and were able to exist without the downside of people using homeschool to abuse their kids.
When I was about eight years old, my cousin came to live with us because she was pregnant at age 16 and her mother had various health issues that prevented her from being able to care for her properly at that time. She had been home schooled for a few years, at that point, and I don't think anyone in my family had been aware of just how neglected she was. Her mom wasn't a bad person, just struggling with health issues that made it hard for her to have any routine in their daily lives, much less home schooling. She'd actually taken her out of school because they lived pretty far out in the country and actually getting her to and from school was not something she could handle. Many of our relatives protested taking her out of school, knowing her mom was struggling, but she was absolutely certain the program she'd signed up for would work for them. My mom happened to be taking a few years off after leaving the military at that time and took on her care and education in a serious way. My cousin could read at my reading level and actually borrowed a lot of books from me when my mom told her she had to read for x amount of time a day. I remember my mom going through the absolute fortune of home schooling books she bought and quizzing my cousin on things so she got an idea of where her knowledge level was and there were several that I knew the answers to and she did not, so she was about 8 years behind in some things. It took a ridiculous amount of effort on my mom's part to get my cousin up to speed, but they actually did manage to get her to a point where she could attend a program for kids like her who were very behind and get them into summer school and evening classes so they could graduate on time. And she did. She graduated on time and was very happy about it. My mom then went to work for our school district and all of the times she had to report potential abuse or help a student with basic things like having a toothbrush and toothpaste to brush their teeth was pretty shocking. When we went school supply shopping, my mom would also stock up on basic hygiene supplies and clothes to give to kids who were obviously struggling with basic needs and things like having clean clothes that fit properly and weren't falling apart. She, like many teachers and other school staff, bought these things with her own money and gave them out without question or judgement so that the kids who were struggling would know they could ask for help. Knowing how easily my cousin slipped through the cracks and how many kids do end up needing that type of help is honestly pretty terrifying, when I think about it.
More veteran women should go into teacher.
Wow. Your mom is the pinnacle of selflessness. Such a great outcome.
Especially in a country like America. No child should be without basic necessities.
But her mom WAS a bad person. She neglected her child to the point she didn't even know how her own body worked at 16 years old.
Sounds like a healthy society.
I've been a teacher for over a decade. I also have a side gig working at a tutoring center where I, among other things, clean up after parents that homeschool by actually teaching their kid. I knew it was bad; I didn't know it was this bad.
It’s usually done and enacted by crazy hormonal moms on both sides of the political spectrum but particularly snake charming Christians. My best friends crazy wife wanted to do it. Thank God for the kids he put his foot down. He’s scared to divorce her because feminazi laws may award her primary custody and then they’re down that rabbit hole. Hats off to the fathers who plant their foot in the asses of moms who want to do this because they’re know it alls.
I homeschool my son, but also strongly believe homeschooling needs to be much more regulated than it is. I homeschool him because frankly, I know the public school system would fail him and his needs. However, I know that many parents are not as qualified as I am to teach, and even worse, do not put in the effort. Parents don't need to have my qualifications to be great at teaching their children, but they do need to try hard and hold themselves accountable. Many don't. For context, I have a Master's degree in education and over a decade of experience working in the field of education.
I have strongly conservative, religious friends who homeschool their children and while they say that they're thriving, the youngest is 7 and she can barely read. The middle child is 9 and has no idea how to socialize with other kids his age. Their actual schooling takes place for only 2 hours a day. They are going to struggle immensely when they enter into the real world.
I recall a Swede in an online forum contrasting the Swedish view of family policy with what he regarded as the US view. He said something like: "We view parents as guardians responsibilities, not owners with rights." It sounds as if the HSLDA and many of the parents think of children and things parents and own can do with as they like. Let's talk about responsibilities.
No, only public schools own kids. Who is overseeing them? Where's the accountability for them?
I see you've never been in a public school, seen anything about their detailed regulation, oversight, and accountability, and you didn't watch the video. Robot?
@@chrispaige8880 School curriculums are constantly discussed publicly, even to the point where public media is reporting it nationwide. Parents and politicians are deciding which books are getting banned and which are allowed. Parents can and do influence school politics and school boards have to have meetings which even allow filming and publicly publishing the meetings. Schools have lots of oversight..
Yes! At the Coalition for Responsible Home Education (the org working to change these laws and protect homeschooled children that John mentioned) our motto is "Children have rights, parents have responsibilities."
@@chrispaige8880it’s called going to the fucking meetings where public discussion on the curriculum. Voting for your School board members. If you don’t like em, start a smear campaign to get them ousted. They need to have public meetings as well and you can just go to them, start a ruckus
As someone who was homeschooled from 3rd to 9th grade, homeschooling can be a really complex issue. On one hand, me and my siblings were pulled out of school due to the schools mistreatment of my disabled sister, and with my mom being a former teacher, we were able to get a better education than we would have if we were still in public school in our area. I was able to skip a grade, which I am very grateful for. However, it might have been the worst few years of my life. I was isolated from anyone other than my family, and with no 3rd party adults like teachers who are mandatory reporters of child abuse, I suffered physical abuse for years that would have otherwise been reported. I believe that homeschooling can be a great thing, but it is imperative that there are more regulations and check ups with homeschooling families, as it is scarily easy for abused or neglected kids to fall through the cracks as things are now.
Those aren't cracks if they were put there on purpose. Your safety was sacrificed by the Moral Majority.
Thank you for sharing this. I'm sorry that happened to you. Insights from those who actuallt experienced it are very important.
I went to public school. My parents abused me mentally, emotionally, and physically basically daily. They're a well established middle class couple who made sure they were involved heavily in my schools and activities. Because of that, they were able to destroy any credibility I had with those educators. Every time I'd tell teachers or coaches, (because I got grounded for weeks on any grade lower that a b, I had to be involved in multiple sports, band, singing lessons, and student council so there were a lot of people that could have helped) no one would help me because they never took me seriously because my parents had already prepped them by telling lies about me. My mom would scream at me until she pissed my dad off enough he would come and choke me out and beat my ass until he felt guilty and told me to call the cops, which seemed like a dare I wasn't ever brave enough to take. I am now a very pissed off angry 35 year old woman who isn't afraid of men three times her size because I've been fighting them since I was 8. And as a mother myself now, as long as my kids are trying their best and getting their work in, I could care less about their grades. I hope to end all of the abuse cycles with me.
I also was severely abused, and I was afraid to have kids because of the crap I had heard about abused people being more likely to abuse others. I've raised two amazing young men who are caring, compassionate, and honorable. I just did the opposite of what had been modeled to me at every opportunity, and I treated them how I wished I'd been treated. You're doing great, and your kids will be fine. Virtual hugs your way. @@kassassin_brahgawk
We home schooled our kids but made sure they were well socialized (4h among many other things). In Maryland, if you don't register under a homeschooling "umbrella organization" which provides a curriculum and "oversight", you had to meet with someone from the county public school system once or twice per year. You had to bring in samples of schoolwork and some texts representing what you were teaching. Note that that list doesn't include bringing the actual children. Public school funding is always tight, so as little effort as possible was put into monitoring home schooling. One lady would rush to meet the county requirements. She met with a few dozen households and told us that we were the only ones that actually brought the kids to meet her. A lot of the others apparently were religious families that didn't want any external exposure corrupting their kids. Simply requiring all home schooled kids to meet with a county worker twice per year for a hour would catch at least some of those mistreating their kids. I'm so sorry for what you had to go through. :(
Thank you for doing this segment. As a former teacher and current secular homeschool parent, I’m just saying ‘amen!’ to everything!
I know a LOT of religious homeschool parents who are doing a great job with their kids. Giving them a good moral foundation, and modeling living happily in a diverse world.
@@hannaheyeOxymoron.
@@hannaheyeexactly! This isnt about homeschool this a problem aimed at God bc they are God's haters nothing more and nothing less!! So you can be secular and teach we came from monkey but people can't teach their children about a creator and was made in his image not a monkey lol😊 its so sad how far we have fallen as a society! I also blame religious Pharisees who misrepresent God who is love! And the reason peope believe the Bible is hate speech is because they don't want to follow any rules and they definitely dont what to be told that being gay is a sin and not in natural! Anyone who is tellling you, you can mutilate your genitals to become a woman is a PSYCHOPATH and you beed professional help because that is NOT normal!! And ppl who encourage this behavior are also insane and beed serious help! This is generation is a bunch of narcissist. Also look at the animal kingdom! Trust the science! You can't have babies without a man and woman and anything other that this sick, twisted, and gross! And anyone trying to teach children differently should be thrown in jail!! BECAUSE THEY ARE PREDATORS PERIOD!! What is the strange obsession about monitoring our children!?? You can not marginalize every homeschool parent as an abusive person!! Its goes both ways! Ive known more people in public schools that have horrible experiences rather than homeschooled! Bs!!! This is 1984 s***!!!
And FYI Valerie. Do you actually thinks he being john Oliver looks at these comment s? You told him thank you like you know him and he cares about! Also do you take pleasure in interfering with other peoples right to homeschool freely and to teach what they they choose wether it be about Jesus or not or are just wanting everyone to be a mindless drone like you? Obey your Government its loves you so much! Riiiiiiiiiiijghht!
@@sisterryan5720 The problem is not aimed at God. It is aimed at abusive parents, Nazis, science deniers, and those specific parents that were running Chore Empire. If that resonates as an attack on God to you, it makes me wonder what you view God to be.
"Having a child does not inherently make you virtuous." "Being a parent doesn't automatically make someone moral and being with a parent doesn't automatically make a child safe." Well said John.
both quotes need to be T-shirts like now!
In my case home school was a better option. Low income public schools held me back more than anything. Teachers didn’t care. Some would come to work drunk and pass out at their desk. In my experience public schools are a flawed system.
Being a government lobbied by billionaire elitists does not give you a moral high ground either. The parent has more of a right over their own child more so than the government does. Parenting is the parents job.
@@codyaskew1672 valid, but, 'A is flawed' is not the same as "B is universally better, to the point that we don't even need to check, or think about it"
Replace parent with teacher, and you'll find out the same logic applies to all people, and there is no garrantee that any child will be safe, but lets target homeschoolers. Clean up the schools and society before giving up your freedoms.
Even though I was bullied in school, school was my safe haven from home. None of my teachers acknowledged the signs or reported. I have been a kindergarten teacher for four years now. One reason is because I want to be the person I desperately needed when I was little. I am my students' safe haven and they will feel loved, capable, valued and respected in our class. I teach them that it is unacceptable for anyone to hurt them. In the past, one of my students told me they missed school because, "mom hit me with a spatula and she didn't want you to see my face until it gets better." Parents, your kids open up to people they trust. Respect your babies. Do the work to break the cycle of abuse. I have been physically abused by students every school year. I have/had students who threatened my life. It is traumatic for me. I have lifelong injuries now. The nerve damage in my back has changed my quality of life. I show up for all kids. I was injured protecting the kids. Stop hurting your babies because you are hurting.
Thank you. As another person who relied on school to feel safe, my teachers were my role models and helped me through hell. Your kids are too little to tell you but you are making an impact.
damn lucky asian parent, they lucky they live in asia
Extremely touching post, but a bit confusing near the end... you've been physically abused by kindergartners who threatened your life?! 🤔
@@FakingANerve. I use to work with preschoolers (3 to 4) most were sweet and had fun! But every year we had two to three kids who kicked, slapped and spit on us and their fellow friends, usually they had emotional issues like being foster kids or alcohol fetus syndrome
@@SH-iy7ju While I appreciate your input, I still don't see how Pre-K or kindergarten students can incur lifelong spinal injuries, or can imagine them issuing viable threats to a teacher's life.
*"Bingo!"* Kissinger’s dead!
I was home schooled until 9th grade. Stepped foot into high school without knowing absolutely anything but basic reading, writing arithmetic but everything about the Bible. Granted this was the early 2000's. But because of the religion based curriculum used I knew absolutely nothing about anything in society. I had to be put in special education classes because I was never taught an algebraic equation. I was a dancer (my mom owned a dance studio) so, I wasn't completely unsocial. But it was a total and complete culture shock. I made cheerleader when I was a sophomore and junior. Only 15 cheerleaders out of a class of 2300 people knew you. But it was horrible for me! I was suicidal, beyond depressed, and felt so ignorant. I know things have changed a bit now with homeschooling. But it definitely hendered me then from being a better version of myself.
My cousin is a teacher and she worked at schools at small towns in TX. She regularly had to issue reports on parents that shamelessly abused their own children in some way. Children coming to school with bruises. Smelling of urine. Pale and with dark circles around their eyes because of malnutrition. Many of the parents of those kids were alcoholics or were on drugs. I can't imagine how life is for homeschooled children having no hope of being rescued from such toxic and abusive households.
It was awesome. I’m like you’re smarter than any of you or anyone in existence
I think generally these people are abusive because they don't want their children around. I can't imagine what would incentivize these people to homeschool their children. To be fair, it does happen, but that is definitely not a large portion of the homeschooling community.
@@isakblomberg528 Well, I'm remembering that guy who imprisoned his daughter in his basement and forced her to have something like 5 of his children, so no, not all abuse is neglect
@isakblomberg528 child abuse is about power and control, not just not wanting the kid around. Hitting the child for being (percieved) disobedient, or even just as a matter of rote, is a means of assering authority over them, reminding the child that they and they alone have power. Homeschooling lets then double down on that, removing time the kid can get away from them and preventing teachers from reporting them and threatening that power. To be clear, you are right and most homeschooling is likely not that, but *any* is unacceptable, and that's why basic protections need to exist.
@@isakblomberg528you’d think but there are abusive parents that love the control over their children and actually enjoy torturing them
My younger brother struggled with severe depression and social anxiety. Being in school took it out of him every day and it got so bad that one night he came to our mom asking to be taken to the hospital for a psych hold. Shortly after he and my mom agreed to take him out of school and to put him into an online program. Because of this, he managed to complete his education and get a GED, got to go to a music school in the evenings to hone his music talents (guitar, bass, keyboard, drums, singing, & more) and has performed at tons of local gigs since. Homeschooling isn't for everyone but when it works, it WORKS.
I'm glad he's doing so well! Homeschooling is wonderful for kids who have difficulty fitting in, and who have supportive parents and good academic resources.
That is not homeschooling. That is online high school.
Definitely luck is involved here. TONS of luck.
online school done in the home is not homeschooling. what kind of logic is that? your read her whole comment and that is the first felling you got. I hope you have just a wonderful day.@@allisonfisher8063
That's fine, but would that have happened any less if the state checked on his progress and safety? Or a school board or whatever?
I have seen both sides of homeschooling through my interactions with others. On one hand, one friend was homeschooled by a former university professor who felt worried due to the local school's violence problems and made sure to properly teach and go over the curriculum with his kids, even inviting people over to help give lessons and provide some company and interaction. On the other, I have a friend who was literally pulled out of school to hide the fact their stepfather had been raping them and very nearly was killed after trying to report this. Two different sides... and both agree that homeschooling needs proper regulation.
Ugh, Abeka. I was homeschooled for high school, since I lived in a poverty-stricken city that had only one public high school, where student violence was a daily occurrence. They couldn’t afford the private high schools outside our city, so homeschooling it was. This was back in the mid-90s, when homeschooling was far less common than today. I watched my classes on VHS, and was pretty much on my own since my parents both worked during the day. It sucked. Hated it. The textbooks provided by Abeka were so insanely fundamentalist Christian, and I was a recovering Catholic…it wasn’t great. I could use the “parents guide” version of the workbooks if I wanted to straight cheat…and for math in particular, I absolutely DID want to. At least I was a bookworm as well, and enjoyed learning on my own, so I supplemented this lax “schooling” with my own extracurricular interests. But kids who’re less inclined to learn on their own would’ve been fuuuucked. Despite all this, apparently I got through ok. I tell people I was homeschooled, and they say “I wouldn’t have guessed! You’re so normal!”😂
The public schools extract $29,000 per student per year from the public. And since democrats are greedy, those that don't go to public school are not worth of the $29k so parents don't get the money for non-public schools. Imagine how great a education system the US will have when parents have the 29k per kid per year, on a education only EBT card for their kids education.
As someone who was homeschooled and loved it, I am a big supporter of there being regulations on homeschooling. Why? Because I actually knew a family that used homeschooling as a cover for abuse, and I knew another family that taught their daughters that they should only be wives and mothers and taught them accordingly, and even in my relatively robust homeschool education, I was still taught young earth creationism because my evangelical mother literally didn't know better and was getting text book recommendations from other homeschool families she trusted, and I'd probably still believe in it today had I not ended up becoming wildly curious about science down the road. Wanting there to be regulations kind of makes the community I grew up with view me as something of a traitor, but if I was seeing so many problems in my very limited circle, I can only imagine what kind of problems there are all over the country. (Or, of course, watch this video.)
Sorry but getting indoctrinated with young earth creationism by an "evangelical mother who literally didn't know better" is imho far from a "relatively robust education". For me as a European this sounds totally crazy! 😳😱 But good for you that you educated yourself! 👍
Yea, it "being able to be done well" doesn't mean there shouldn't be regulations and oversight to make sure it doesn't go wrong.
I was also homeschooled and loved it, I was lucky though because my dad was a nuclear physicist and my mom was all about living off the land, so I got all the good science and cooking.
@@handgun559 Yeah, because self-regulation works so well in so many other fields
I completely agree. I spent my last two years of middle school being homeschooled, and that was wonderful because I was self-motivated and the curriculum we used was rigorous. Others in our co-op, though, not so much. Pretty much every other student I met was there because of religious reasons. Furthermore, one time at our weekly meeting, we had a horticulture class that took us outside to look at the landscaping, and one parent said that was all the science her kids needed that week. I am highly in favor of homeschooled kids needing to pass some basic requirements to continue. John Oliver said it well, it has a high ceiling but a non-existent floor.
Knowing someone who was homeschooled for several years, the biggest issue I saw was that they were extremely isolated. They never saw other kids. At all. They barely even got to leave the house because of the mother's paranoia. Which was really sad because they were a really social kid who just didn't get to socialize.
That's a mental issue, not a homeschool issue. Hope you contacted the spouse and got them help. Nah. Didn't think so.
I would agree, this seems like a very specific case not that it doesn't happen but it's rare.
Seems more like a societal problem than a homeschooling problem. Community leaves so many people isolated, but do we care about them? Na, lets target homeschoolers, because of a few bad actors. 119 school mass shootings in the US last year. If each one killed only one student, then 119 children died in 2020. A few more than the 10 shown in this video that died at their parents hands. A few fewer than the abusive parents that send their kids to school.
gotta love how you answered your own question
@@teamshoemakerit can be both. The point being that the homeschooling made accountability for the mental problem all the more less likely and its effects even more exacerbated.
It depends on the family, parent, and student. I was homeschooled, and loved it! I am a junior in college with a 3.9 GPA majoring in math education! If you find a good curriculum and your student puts in the effort, it can be so worth it!!!
22:43 We've got bingo! Finally!
or as Hans Landa (of Inglorious Basterds fame) would say: "We've got _a_ bingo!"
Any time "parental rights" is used, it inevitably leads to it sounding like an argument about how children are possessions and not people. "Parental responsibility" is a better alternative purely for the implication that it is a continual, active action rather than the passive state that "right" implies.
Exactly. Though the possessive is used in "my children", it does not imply ownership. It implies a duty of care.
Children are possessions. They belong to the parents. Groomer.
I agree and I’m amazed more people don’t see it this way.
@@tendiesoffmyplate9085 no. They are not possessions. They are individuals. They aren't property.
@@tendiesoffmyplate9085 you can't call someone else a groomer immediately after saying the most groomer thing someone can every say
My sister was homeschooled until 5th grade because she was dyslexic and had vision issues that would have held her back. She’s now a physicist. Home school can work, but it was a full time job for my mom. You have to be dedicated to actually teaching your child. She went to public school for middle and high school, after attending vision therapy for a year.
Right on! Almost the same for my daughter.
This is like needing to do surgery on yourself because no one in your area is set up to do some basic procedure. The solution is to offer the procedure, not hand the patient a scalpel.
@@Char42 While that's true, our whole public ed system is set up to be JUST like the medical field in the US and we already know just how F'ed up that is.... As a note, right now in Texas, the government passed a law this year to raise the wages of all public employees EXCEPT teachers. The governor has said he will only raise teacher pay if he gets a bill for school vouchers, which btw, can go to homeschooling....
You ever had to pull a bullet out yourself....it sux.. ..but u gotta do it .... otherwise you'll die
God bless your mom for doing it the right way and really helping your sister. I know how much work it is - I homeschooled three kids for a few years. It really helped them to adjust to returning to public school.
22:35 BINGO!!! Congratulations Mr Britishman you won! BINGO was his name-o!
Im currently sleeping in an airport on a 2 day trip home from overseas. I met a young couple who planned on homeschooling. I asked what aboit "algebra and trig"? He answered "when do you actually use that?". I responded "college / trade school". That kid is so screwed.
22:40 Bingo!
I have an online friend who was “homeschooled” in Texas. He’s like 21 now and has at most a dubious sixth grade education, leaving him no real path to getting any sort of decent job. My friend group is actually trying to get him set up with some way to at least get a GED so he can get money to maybe move out of his parents’ place. It’s really really sad how badly his parents failed him, and it’s all perfectly legal in Texas!
GED to community college/trades really is a decent way to get caught up. Remedial education exists for all kinds of people, whether they fell through the cracks in public school, were "homeschooled", or had an illness/crisis that derailed their education. Remind him that not being taught things that his peers know isn't his failing and even a late start is better than never starting at all. There may be setbacks, but he CAN do it!
@@mreliaAgree with you❤❤❤
The the republiCONs would love for all of Americans to be just like that.
Conspiracy theory: companies need cheap and unskilled labour, thus homeschooling is basically unregulated
This! Exactly this 😮💨
I was pulled from school because after attending kindergarten the teachers realized I was going to need special needs classes. My parents HATED this idea vehemently. No one bothered getting me diagnosed with what was wrong until many years later. When they pulled me from school, they also pulled my siblings from school. I feel bad for that, because it always kind of got pushed on to me as being "my fault" that my older sibling (8 years older) was no longer thriving in an environment that he was used to. They proceeded to put me through two runs of Hooked on Phonics, and then threw ACE books at me and told me to do my work, and then after that do my chores. They did not teach me or instruct me in my schooling at all. Chores were paramount in my life. I was cooking family meals at 6 years old, doing dishes, cleaning the house, and generally held to a standard that now I realize seems very extreme for a child so young. I was not allowed to go outside and socialize. I couldn't read after Hooked on Phonics. It turns out that I have dyslexia, and I ended up teaching myself to read after a massive struggle for years. I was 11 by the time I could read and participate in school at an acceptable level. By this time, I was severely behind and they stopped buying our curriculum for us whenever I finally got myself into 9th grade material at 15. I never got to graduate because "the material was too expensive" and "we'll buy some next month for you". These lines were repeated until I was 18. They did not allow me to go to public school. I even tried to leave the house to go to public school on several occasions, and I was physically attacked by my mother to keep me from doing so. I did not get to graduate. I did not get instruction or assistance. Extended family knew what was happening, family friends knew what was happening, and nobody did anything to help. I fell through the cracks. I firmly believe that the state should be able to require homeschooled kids to be sent for an exam twice a year at least to check in with them, test them on material, and also be able to speak with the child privately to make sure abuse is not happening. Neglect is abuse everyone. Parentification of your child is also wrong on many levels.
I'm renting a room from a guy and his wife who are doing the same thing to their kids. It's so obvious that all 3 of the kids are WAY behind where they should be. One of them has some sort of severe learning disability that definitely isn't being addressed. The family never leaves the house. Most of the "curriculum" seems to be chore-based. It's hard to watch. I've spoken with a couple mandatory reporter people about the situation and have been told there's nothing that can be done because none of this is breaking any laws.
I think now they are requiring home schooled students to do end of year testing, at least they do in GA.
As a mom of a special needs young adult, who stayed in the school system and ended up thriving enough to graduate with honors, though still struggles in some ways, I am so sad ths happened to you and your siblings. For what it's worth, I send you some warm hugs and some unconditional love. May the rest of your life be brighter. ❤
In the places I know of that require end of year testing, they are NOT required to pass it.
I'm sorry that this happened to you. You should write an article or a book about it.
I was homeschooled from kindergarten-12th and thankfully my mom was dedicated to me learning the same, if not more than kids in public schools. I had standardized tests and all my siblings and I got 28 or higher on the ACT. She made sure we all went to college and I’m very thankful. Home schooling can be a great way to teach your child, if you actually try and use good curriculum. That being said, I know a lot of my friends from homeschooled groups did not have the same teaching. Some were years behind in math, and others just worked and faked their grades. I’m pro homeschooling, but there are definitely problems with it.
And you know who has you know what... congrats on the Bingo Card.
I like how their definition of “punishing” parents is just having them filing a simple background check to make sure that they don’t have a history of abuse.
Should we have every potential parent pass a background check first? After all, their children won't have the school safety net for several years.
@@michellerohl2794Anyone who works with children needs clearances to say they're clear to do so. If you want to educate your child at home, then it's the bare minimum you can do since you lose the oversight of school personnel being able to identify signs of abuse.
I think if you asked almost literally anyone if they would be willing to allow themself to be mildly inconvenienced for the sake of potentially stopping child abuse they would say that they would, but for some reason when that hypothetical becomes reality there is apparently a lobby with massive political influence determined at all costs to prevent exactly that. Makes you wonder what people actually value or if they even realize what they're doing.
@@michellerohl2794nice slippery slope. Don’t be ridiculous.
Win the election, win the argument. Election winners make the laws and shape the judiciary. Neutrality helps the oppressor. Help elect Democrats local, state, federal.
One of the biggest downsides to homeschooling, besides bad education practices, is the potential lack of socialization. I was homeschooled, but I almost never left the house to socialize. Going into college, I found out just how lacking my social skills were. There were people I knew who compensated for this by doing sports or hanging with people they knew before they left public/private school.
there's a reason 'the homeschooled kid' is often the butt of the joke. I was also homeschooled for most of my life, and even though i didn't know how to read until I was 12, the lack of socialization and no close friends were by far the worst part
Yes I was thinking this as well! I was always in school with others. I learned two languages as an adult. You can learn all the academic skills from school in a pretty short time if you have enough time to devote to it. The reason it takes so long for children in school to learn something is because schools expect a large portion of the day to be used up with learning social skills. I went to an academically rigorous military boarding school for high school, and even there, a lot of time was spent on social skills, physical activities, and life skills such as cleaning.
That was 100% your parents choice we had several home schooling groups who got together and went on field trips to tons of places, played sports together, had outings to he park or a hike or bike ride all kinds of stuff that kids in school can't do during school hours usually lol you can even private tours to tons of places most people can't ainceit is "for school" go tour the local newspaper publisher, city hall, behind the scenes at amusement places, nursing homes, etc. Like what!?
@@soymilkmanwhy blame home schooling though? Otherkids have almost graduated high school by 12 through home alschooling clearly it was your PARENTS smdh
Thank you for adding "potential" to that statement. In some areas there simply aren't opportunities for homeschool socialization as public schools refuse interaction. In others there are so many events that it's physically impossible to attend them all. Luckily for our kids, the latter was true. Providing socialization events seems like a better use of HSLDA's money than the heavy religious indoctrination and lobbying they currently do.
22:30 Hey… BINGO! 🎉
Guess what, John? Go on-guess! If you said "You-Know-Who just You-Know-What", congratulations! You just completed your 2023 bingo card in time for the holiday season! 🙌
I knew one couple who moved into my area from another stat that had their kids homeschooled because they were two years ahead of their cohorts. They obtained a curriculum from their school district and had the state assess their children regularly. That is homeschooling done right, which is rare.
Now if only that was what homeschooling advocates ACTUALLY wanted.....
I was home schooled through this neat home school co-op group. They had a curriculum, meet-ups, we did field trips, and were actually little schools. This program was overseen by the department of education, and it was great. You got the social/educational benefit of public school, with all the benefits of homeschool.
"Neat!"
Homeschooling coops are very different from individual parents, and they also have a wide range. Some are fanrastic, and some are cult-ish to say the least.
And was that in a state Oliver lying accused of having no or little oversight?
@@rolandwoltman7835 There is a difference between required oversight / registration for all homeschooled kids in a state, as compared to voluntary / opt-in programs.
@@rolandwoltman7835 Lying? It's not lying that they have no or little oversight. It's simple facts you can easily look up. That some people do a better job of homeschooling does not mean they are doing so because good oversight exists that makes them do that. They're doing it because they want to go above and beyond for their kids.
What's so frustrating about any conversation about "parents' rights" is that it almost universally ignores that children are people and they have (or should have) rights too. Children have a right to an adequate and appropriate education, and their parents should not have the right to deprive them of that.
Who should have dominion over the child. The government? Or their parent? Be careful how you answer, you may find yourself on the same side as the German mustache man.
Bingo.
I was being sexually abused at home as a kid. I didn't understand what was happening. It was the public school sex education that I'm sure my family didn't want me knowing that taught me something was very wrong. You can't ask for help if you don't even know what's going on. That is why public school sex education is so important. Im not against home-schooling for the right reasons, but wanting to hide your kids from sex education is a huge red flag to me that abuse is likely happening behind closed doors. I've known people who were pulled out of public school due to abuse, harrassment, and bullying. It was vital for them to grow into healthy adults without excess trauma. Public schools aren't perfect at all and it makes me nervous too. Home schooling can absolutely be done right. Yet, the main reason I always hear is because they want their kids to not understand what sex is. Or worse, what understanding for those different than you are. That's a massive 🚩
"I was being sexually abused at home as a kid" This is one of the most painful sentences I have ever read! Were you being abused by your own family members?
Many kids are sexually abused at school.
We pulled out our son from HS b/c they were unable to support his adhd (despite an IEP) and it was causing him massive anxiety. We did a mix of online learning and dual enrolment in community college until he graduated this year. It worked really well for us. I was *shocked* to learn how minimal the standards are for a HS diploma for homeschooled kids. Basically, no standards at all. It is really disturbing to realize how easily educational neglect can occur.
And in public schools, they promote you with no standard at all. None. Zero. You just get promoted. Please reference grade level achievement for the average inner city child.
I’m having this issue with my 11 year old. She’s still in public school but the school is struggling with handling her ADHD
Noting here that my daughter had a rough time in high school because a couple of her teachers didn't "believe" ADD was real, so wouldn't allow time-and-a-half testing. Upon being formally tested at 17, she was allowed to take all exams, including the APs, with extra time. As a result, she went to an Ivy League school where no one cared how long it took her to do anything. Now, with a master's degree in biochemistry, she's fully employed--and works with a team of scientists who value her brain rather than a stop-watch!
We homeschooled through 12th grade. We used charter based schools for supervision and records. I am a credentialed teacher, that’s why I realized they didn’t need to go to school. There are lots of a la carte classes and specialized teachers in our area
I was homeschooled and since my mom believed in education. I ended up educated better then my friends who went to the local school. I am still amazed when I find out what my fellow adults didn't learn in school.
I still remember my first lecture in Teacher's College when the professor said, "Everyone thinks they're an educational expert, because everyone went to school." Given my graduate work later in the Faculty of Education, that statement rings especially true. Home schooling or "unschooling" can be tremendously successful BUT it can be a complete disaster. I wouldn't recommend any parent attempt it without sufficient preparation and expertise in curriculum design, regardless of the pedagogical approach. Also, home schooled children need to be actively socialized, participate in team sports, and have connections with kids their own age.
My parents pulled me out of school in 4th grade, I did cyber school for two years, and then was homeschooled. But the homeschooling was just...my parents telling me to handle it. And they'd buy me books if I asked for them. But it was all up to me. And I was supposed to somehow do it, but I was also yelled at if I was caught actually doing schoolwork because schoolwork is "selfish because it serves you and no one else." I was honestly pulled out of school to be an unpaid childcare and housekeeping worker for my 8 younger siblings. I was their teacher, but I had no teacher outside of books and Wikipedia. And I was getting overworked and abused the whole time. And I have younger siblings still in that situation.
True story, I went to high school with a kid who started going to public schools when he was 15. He was a super nice kid but was also SUPER awkward. He was homeschooled until then and had no frame of reference for socializing. He also came from a super religious family. By the end of that first year we went to school with him, he seemed genuinely destroyed emotionally. He said that he felt like he lost his entire childhood. He sat at home and learned about Jesus for basically a quarter of his life. He turned out okay in the end, but he was always super depressed about how we had all these stories and friends while he spend 15 years of his life just sitting in his bedroom. I'm sure that is a good thing for a small amount of people who maybe have rare or unfortunate health issues but he felt like his adolescent years were stolen from him.
They were.
That's horrible. Were the parents ever prosecuted?
This is very similar to my story, except I didn’t even make it to public school, for me it was a private Christian school. It wasn’t until the 10th grade that I was enrolled. It’s hard to relate to a lot of traditional media (television shows, movies, etc.) surrounding schools, because I just never really had any of that experience, and the very little experience I did have was a VERY toned down version steeped in religion. The closest experience I have is college, and even then, I had very different experiences than are typically shown in mass media…partly because of the degree program I was enrolled in, and partly because I was very much building social skills and cues from the ground up
Oh noooooo! Awkward?! Nobody in public schools has ever been awkward or weird. Never ever!
@@TheSmark666Imagine being awkward and not understanding why or even that it’s an awkward situation because you lack all social context needed to exist among a group of people you have never met before. Now make that 5 days a week.
And when you do a show on CPS, you'll just find that in virtually every state it is criminally underfunded, absurdly ineffectual, and full of frustrated and burnt-out social workers.
And extreme turnover in staff, most staff lasting less than 3 years on the job, and a small fraction of retained staff will almost always be found to have systematically falsified records. It is a travesty. The number of CPS workers per state should be quadrupled and their caseloads cut by 90%.
But such an awareness might actually get people to step up. They love to complain about how terrible foster parents are but don't volunteer to get paid to help. They love to complain about judges letting kids slip through the cracks but have no problem electing the almost exclusively conservative judges pushing parents' rights. They love to complain taxes don't go towards welfare and then back a president and Congress who cut the funding by 80% so that they might not have to pay more in taxes while the security budget goes through the roof. Etc. Etc.
And also a haven for child abusers. We need to better vet people who work for the government. Like all of congress.
And what if the health inspectors are personally against home schooling, the list on both sides is long.
@@michaelhogan9053I had a really bad experience with DCFS where when I was a young kid they would interview us individually, and lie to my parents about what I said. I have incredibly loving and responsible parents but these inspectors almost succeeded in putting myself and my siblings in foster care over lies. Talk about scary
I’m a homeschooling mom from a family of public school teachers and intellectuals. The decision to homeschool my child was not an easy one, but, it was definitely the right one for us. Having said that, I am all for some regulations- not only to protect the welfare of children- but, I would welcome a loosely structured benchmark system that would ensure that I am educating my child adequately.
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Biggest issue IMO is lack of oversight. I recall one of my parents telling me in 9th grade that they could no longer help me in math, and my first thought was to question why they still felt qualified to be my primary educators.
Yeah my mom did that to me around 8th grade. I asked for help with my homework, she took a look then handed it back to me and said she couldn't do it. However, I was in school, so I actually had teachers I could go to for help!
How did they respond?
In fairness, math is something that has been taught very differently to different generations. Parents can be excellent in the subject and still not know how to teach their kids. In contrast to literacy, which spans generations.
@@justpassingthrough...2492 How so? Math doesn’t change like language does.
Homeschooling doesn't cause child abuse. It just makes it a whole lot easier.
Like guns and violent crime.
@@spongeintheshoe guns are extremely useful though. If I don't have a gun then a criminal armed with anything or multiple criminals armed with nothing will definitely beat me.
@@CaptainMisery86 yes because in the rest of the world we live in fear not owning a gun XD
@@CaptainMisery86 Guns can be extremely useful, you are correct. But for the majority of Americans, the statistics of the gun being useful are much lower than of the gun being dangerous. Unless you live in an area that has a significant amount of wildlife you need to protect yourself from, than the chances of the gun being used to harm a member of your family or circle is much higher than the gun being used to protect anyone.
@@EdoTyran it's not fear. It's knowledge. A criminal could very easily overpower me and crime doesn't stop if all guns are eliminated