PLANNING PERMISSION COST - HOW mUCH?
2024 ж. 24 Ақп.
17 862 Рет қаралды
The real cost of planning a house build. Time to take a look at what all the various stages have cost us over the past 2 years.
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Putting the numbers to one side, Jo's ta-dah! was hilarious!
£32,961 + £16,000 (Planning and Structural) = £48,961
Hi Jo and Tim, I'm a little behind with videos and just catching up. This whole thing reads like something Kafka might have written. Thank goodness you had the money and the forbearance to carry on. You've had some horror challenges over the years. Congratulations for keeping on keeping on. New chapter! 👏🏼🥳
If you can, do it yourselves. Except the maths, get someone else to do that! 😂😂 Love you guys, and we are so looking forward to following the barn build ❤
Eye watering, I’ve sent you a Super Thanks, every little helps… Love the channel…👍🏻
Hi guys good to see u getting started on building
Crazy! My class Q in Wiltshire just got approved and checking costs it came to £7500. Nick
Yeah our first app would have been under that. Glad you got approved, congrats!
Bloody hell! That's as clean as I can keep it. Watching the full process I thought around 30k before spades in the ground thinking I was going in a little rich. I now totally understand why it's easer to ask for forgiveness rather than permnission (if you're not on YT unless you are Colin Fruze 😂).
Seems it’s cheaper to build new than convert or restore something old. Best of luck with the build, you must be so excited to get going.
Nothing is cheap anymore...good thing they are builders :).
Wow!
Ouch. Last week I thought I wouldn’t be surpised by 20K, and felt it could easily go to 40k, if not more. I’m not shocked at the total, but I am wincing in empathy. Planning is a weird political animal. I was involved with a couple that had a 1/4 square mile that they split in half, and wanted to rezone it from agricultural to rural-recreational/residential. The idea was to build (on land that was marginal for farming at best, and was 70% poplar forest, very 3 dimensionally, ah, challenging, and with significant amounts of boggy muskeg that makes your pond surrounds look positively arid.) and make a 2-and-a-half season residental camp-ground, but not for caravans. The plan was for smaller versions of your cabins to be parked there permanently and build a mini-community for snow-birds that would travel off to Florida or Europe for the winter months when we get that weeks-on-end of -20 to -40C north pole wonderland. The neighbors (who all lives on similar or even larger plots) could not be swayed it wouldn’t be endless weekends of caravans and hordes of drunken tent-by-night party, and not the long-term (20+ year) site leasses for basically summer homes and garden plots. We had our plublic hearings, and even after we had our say, the development officer stood up and say that they understood that all the raised objections could be addressed by minor amendments in our proposal, that they were going to deny it anyway, and then declared that this 1st reading would then be also considered 2nd and 3rd readings before council, and summarily stopped dead, with enough members of the county council agreeing to make it official. It was very disappointing.
Wow, it's no wonder Britain is short on over 4 million home when this is the kind of money and time it takes to go though planning, the government needs to sort this out or then next generation will be living at home with mum and dad still when the kids are 50 years old!
I'm depressed I got it wrong by 2x, but very happy that side of things is now done! Makes my planning, structural, building control stuff seem very cheap!
Well done you got there in the end. If i lived closer to you I'd be happy to volunteer for any jobs as I'm sure others would do. I'd love to sell my house to buy something else with a bit of land.
Do it instead of saying 🤔
@@OliverTwist-vv4xh I'm looking now but the right piece of woodland isn't easy to find.
Unbelievable 😮
😮OMG, that’s mind boggling. Can I ask, what are your main jobs to fund all of these projects?
I think people need to understand how big the site is on this project, it is a barn plus annexe of abour 700 sm in total, with landscaping, drainage and a sewage system, it is also on a sensitive site. They are converting the equilivent of seven houses, so on the basis of £7K per 100 sq m the fees seem quite reasonable.
Holy moly! I was way off. Why does Jo use an apostrophe instead of a comma for her numbers 😅
We said that at the end when we looked back at it! Must have been the painful figures we were reading out that confused us!
@TheRestorationCouple I feel your pain. Hopefully you guys can build your dream home now!
@@TheRestorationCouple 5 foot 400 mentally sounds cheaper than 5 thousand 400 pounds 😥😥
Apostrophe is correct, stop trying to be pedantic 💩
The planning appeal in process may have been the leverage needed to get the permission granted on App 5?
Wow, that's a lot just to get to the starting line. Actually frightening . . .
Congratulations again for getting that far and getting full planning permission. I am curious to know your thoughts about the whole process, i know it is easy to bash the public service for the seemingly needless bureaucracy, but taking a step back and looking at it from all the angles and the rationale for the rules etc. So you think the planning system is fit for purpose or do you think there needs to be a radical overhaul of the system? I apprciate you don't want to get political, but it would be good to know where the public service could improve to make these things less stressful.
Thanks
That's very kind thank you! Hopefully you will be rewarded with endless videos now! 👍
Really looking forward to SABS, it’s something that I have recently gone though and found the worst of the entire process. No doubt you will take it in your stride! You will probably break ground before me!
That's absolutely insane , if they tried that in Canada they would be run out of town .... We tore down a barn and put up a small house 1500 sq ft , planning was $500.00 tear down and build was $ 300, 000
That’s insane! Must be a decent profit in it at the end to justify it all!
Only if we sold up and I hope that won't be for many decades!
That’s insane! How much will the house be worth when finished? Upwarths of half a milion pounds making this 10% of the value or something on that order ??? You got some deep pockets to go for this while building the cabin in the mean while. Congrats on getting the permit if i forgot to under that video. You are tenacious to go on with council like this. Glad you got there.
We only have what we have from the sale of our house so it has hammered our build budget already with cabin build and these costs. No idea on value of house as no plan to ever sell but it will not be cheap to build simply due to footprint.
That’s insane well good luck for the build I would have thought Joe would insist on the cabin being finished before starting on the next big job as I know from experience I finish that later
Absolutely speechless, actually a bit angry. I'm happy you're done with that part of the process... genuinely. But still feel frustrated for you guys.
Oh my! I had thought of 15,000 € on Patreon, you would have stopped at application 3 ! I was so far from the final price 😝
Jo, why are you putting the comma above the numbers? Doing my head in!
Here’s a question for you. If you put the property up for sale now ( I know you won’t consider that for a second) , what roughly would the price be. And as you asked in a previous video what’s the planning cost amounted to as a percentage of your estimated total build budget. . Looking forward to the build. 😊😊
Not sure as we bought it as part of the whole collection of farm buildings and land, I would hope that it would be worth more now though! Hard to say on percentage of build costs however 5-10% I imagine.
I don't understand your App 1 figure atall guys, it included a Structural Engineer report, Heritage report, site survey, Ecology, Architects drawings and the Planning Consultant. I think the first application would have been around £15K in total. Perhaps you spread those reports over the four applications though???? It would be helpful to others to make it clear the majority of the costs go into the first application.
Nope. The first class q app cost £5.4k total including approx £3400 consultants, £500 SE, £1200 Architects, £234 planning application. Survey cost was waived as they donated the site visit cost to our Alzheimer’s charity fundraiser at the time. Ecologist was £700 but that came a little later in app but some cost should have been included. No heritage survey required for the class q. Majority of costs did go in first app out of the class q’s, full app different animal altogether.
These numbers make me feel sick!...... but I'm tight!
The UK is horrendous for planning costs - we have just gone through planning here in France. No fees, no costs, just a form plus sewage report of about €700. Admittedly, I did my own plans and drawings - I think your £46K is our tolal build budget...... well not quite. BUT at least you got it through, really pleased for you all.....Julie & Ian 🏡
Yeah especially when you consider the 100m2 cabin cost the same to build and finish as just getting that one document of approval! Let's hope it's worth it when its all done.
Wow I was way off with my £7628 😮😢
I must say - I’ve never seen an apostrophe as a separator before 😂😂
£50k, that’s what you built the cabin for if i rememebr rightly. This countries planning laws are archaic! Looking forward to the build now
Yeah pretty much, crazy isn’t it! Absolutely nailed our initial build budget. 😫
Think I said £50k. Not surprised. Now to get that cladding finished 😂
I was way way off too
And we wonder why there's a housing crisis in the UK. £50k to convert a barn, albeit a big one, is a scandal. Imagine if the sad little people in the planning department were able to have a proper conversation and engage with you from day 1.
Wouldn’t that have been nice! 🙄
That depressed me, took me 25 years to pay off that amount on my mortgage alone.
It pretty much soaked up all we had from the sale of our house, not the start to the build budget we had anticipated! 😬
Looked back my comment on your planning success video and see I estimated £33k....tut,tut, I was £39 over your (actual) total (£32961) Slipping up in my old age!. In the early stages of planning a renovation so sadly am getting a bit too familiar with potential cost values already.....!
After ur costings how many bottles of whiskey did u down to drown ur sorrows 😂😂 I'm sure if u want a few Bob people will contribute for ur vids
So I said £25k in the last video...is £6k out a decent guess? Seem crazy to think this...
You should of used lpc planning. You can been taken for a right ridem
Nice to no! Don't apply to build a house in your area. No wonder we as a Country have a housing shortage.
Got pretty close! I said 45k
how on earth can you afford this?
By selling all we had to move here but even that has only got us to this point.
What is this apostrophe instead of comma for the thousand separator!! I've never seen that before!! (Am I the only one who uses , ?)
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£48,961 actually 😏
How the **** can those costs be justified, all that money just for planning permission.. 😢😢
Wow. All that money and you haven’t started yet. No wonder people build without approval.
Cost is disgraceful. Although clearly legally being allowed to do this, the council are keen to put these stumbling blocks in at every opportunity to burst your budget and therefore make it prohibitively expensive. Im glad you had the funds and staying power to give the council the fingers. In reality you’ll create a family home and love to be sympathetic with your surroundings. Much more so than if just left to ruin or some industrial complex….. but the council would get a backhand for that
The adding up at the end is £1000 short. Probably wishful thinking😀
I got £32,961 or £1,267 over their stated total of £31,694--and that's before planning and structural! Imagine having to spend that much just to exercise your right to build. Ridiculous!
50k
You joke and laugh about this stuff like its 'just the cost of doing business' but the truth is this is outrageously egregious against everyday people who likely cant afford to be so frivolous with money. This is the painful reality of a system gone mad. I'm happy for you but sad in the realisation that there are thousands of people unable to fight for a long as you did just to realise a relatively basic home build. Totally bonkers.
It's certainly not a joke now that all our savings that should have kicked off the build are now pretty much gone, basically everything from the sale of our house we had left. We had to carry on because we had given it all up for this to happen. Very different from taking a punt at planning on a plot somewhere youre not already invested in. 👍
@@TheRestorationCouple Totally agree, have been there also, at times you get to a point and have to see things through to a conclusion. Planner (IMO) can be very narrow minded at times and prefer to see building fall down rather than a sensible restoration plan, and one that only improve the farm. Well Done.
Spits my Beer out !!!! £££££££ .... 😵💫
I can't afford beer anymore but I think I remember the taste. 😬
@@TheRestorationCouple Your next will taste soooo dam good !
@@TheRestorationCouple Asda do a brand 'Biere De Luxe' which is only 90p a can and actually decent.
Absolute joke
This is why your country is going down hill. Over-regulated and inevitably under-productive. Sorry.
Absolutely disgraceful being forced to spend this much to get what seems a straight forward conversion through planning. I am just starting my journey on getting planning for my barn conversion 🫣🫣