One Doesn't Survive: Milwaukee's New M12 Gen 4 M18 Drivers
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The Gen 3+ Batt deal: homedepot.sjv.io/Vy50xO Lifetime updated tool rankings: torquetestchannel.etsy.com Since I've been asked several time, the knife is a japanese Mcusta: amzn.to/3dG6R17 Today we try out the all new Milwaukee FUEL M12 3453 impact driver, Gen 4 M18 2953 impact driver and see how they compare to everyone's favorite the 2853-20.
Not everything goes according to plan, but hey - that's life. We show you either way.
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Torque, who started TTC, is working in product development for Astro Tools who doesnt make impact drivers at the moment. TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
I think that we are reaching a point where technology in motor and impact drive have exceeded the capability of the metals that we are using. It's hard to blame the bit, that's a ton of power on a 1/4" piece of metal.
I agree.
Deploy adamantium bits
Maybe the 7/16 drive the utility companies use will be the answer, I doubt it but I love tools the more the merrier.
We have long exceeded that point imo, even a DCF 887, a 10yo construction, destroys 1/4" adapters. Imo there should be a new, larger tool standard introduced, or just used really, I believe we already have 3/8" hex bits, but not commonly used.
@@TorqueTestChannel Do you have links to all the charts for everything you have tested? It would be really nice to be able to quickly reference the actual numbers of this stuff.
Negative 16 subs on this video so far, we don't make the tools guys, just test 'em! :P We obviously would have preferred it survive through testing so we could have clean data on this one. We purchased a replacement, and we along with others will be trying to find out if its possible to break it again and how. Doing various tasks. We'll post a link here for that. If it's a fluke, that's worth knowing as much as anything else. Torque who started this channel is working for Astro Tools who dont make anything like an impact driver, though it's still worth knowing when watching videos like these. Always look to several sources!
Just noise, wouldn't worry about it too much
Minus subs 🤣 why are you watching this channel if you don't want the facts
A shame people would unsubscribe because their favorite tool sucked or broke. Your channel has been the best at really finding out what is a good product and what is not. Keep it up, and hope we see Torque again, but everyone is great.
Even the most objective possible testing isn't acceptable if Milwaukee loses. You're expected to lie and feel good about it. Come on!
@@Lee-lb9qh take your TDS elsewhere
I think it's about time that we switch to 5/16 collets and bits, but I guess it's not as big an issue when you're actually using them to drive screws
I think 5/16" hex should have been used from the start 5/16" bits already exist, such as hand impact drivers. But you're right what we're doing here leans towards the stupid side vs how they are most often used. That said, most of the other drivers didn't mind the abuse
I'd love to see this and 5/16 to 1/4 extension adapters. Lately, I rather like using relatively short 1/4" hex extensions with the cheap to replace 1" long tips.
This is a thing: (1) M18 FUEL™ 7/16" Hex Utility HTIW w/ ONE-KEY™ (Tool Only)(2865-20) They know how to make other size hex collets. And how to charge a lot for anything that fits in them.
Any more power than necessary is wasted.
@@WilReid I have been looking into this very item. You can get a 7/16 hex drill drill adapter. The already have 7/16 auger bits and hole saws.
I knew it, I knew I shouldn't buy the new M18 until your video came out. I follow a ton of other channels and no disrespect to them but I wasn't about to buy one without seeing what you found. This channel rocks!
Most other channels are just hypemen for companies lol. The M12 looks better than my Gen2 M12 by a significant margin though, I enjoy it.
You waited for what?…Inclusive. No fault of there own.
@@steffendetrick9403 ?
@@AlexDenton0451 Looks better or performs better?
@@euphoricmonk Performance wise, I actually cover up might light on my M12 due to it being easy to hook my index finger on. If you can get this one, get it, if you have a M12 already, be happy with it.
It would be nice to see a comparison between the new m12 vs the previous model
I just bought the new and have an old and was thinking the same thing. I’m gonna do a video on the two soon. Insane difference. There is pros and cons for both.
@@unclejacksyoutube6496 waiting on that review
Do it
Seeing the prior gen M12 would be interesting!
I was more excited about the lighting on the nose than improvements in power/speed. I think that when Milwaukee asked the trades guys what they wanted to see in a new impact lighting was the most requested. I know that's what I would have asked for. The older gen stuff already had plenty of power given the 1/4 hex drive. I work in plenty of dark places and the extra light would be helpful
@@Lee-lb9qh Milwaukee calls it innovation tough lol
@@Lee-lb9qh you're right, however I've used both the 887 and the m12 gen 2 and I like the form factor of the m12 better. It's a personal preference and it's even nicer now that I can have the best of both worlds
@@Lee-lb9qh not only that but Dewalt is smaller in size.
Same here, but after watching this I'm sticking with my gen 3 and flashlight. The lights alone aren't worth spending the cash if you own a last gen mode, IMHO.
Thanks for making this video I was considering getting the M12 fuel because I love my cordless ratchet and thought I could share batteries but looks like I’ll need to get an M18 and use same charger for the 12 battery with the ratchet.
Bought a M12 impact driver 3/8 drill combo years back. Instantly hooked. With the bitty batteries, my young kids could help out by driving deck screws into the fence and whatnot. At the point now where I think I will have to get into a M18 impact wrench for auto work.
What's going to happen is they're going to make these drivers too powerful and the supporting hardware wont handle it.i think its time they focus on durability and not outright power.
You can turn down power though
If you're referring to adapters then the answer is pretty black and white where at that point you buy a proper impact that doesn't require an adapter.
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Seems the collets cant take the torque either.
Obviously one industry is going to try to keep up with the other it's not anything to lose sleep over
I love my M12 fuel gen 3 drill and impact driver combo kit. It took everything I threw at it. I used that impact driver on 8 inch medium lags in one sitting and used up 2 bars of battery left on an xc3.0 and the anvils only got as warm as a stack of fresh copies from a photocopier at the end. Same thing with driving 100 3 inch coarse thread wood screws with the heads recessed in one sitting.
I got the m12 and m18 drill/driver and I honestly use the m12 impact and the m18 drill for electrical rough in. It's cool having both
I think what I'm learning is that the M12 offerings are becoming more and more capable. The M18 platform has always had the capability. But, now the light-weight and compactness of the M12 doesn't come with as much of a power loss. You might go through batteries a lot faster with them, but you're not really lacking power anymore.
I have the gen 3 m12. Its awesome with 1/4 drive sockets. I use it for top engine stuff. I also have the 3/8 stubby m12 impact, and I usually go for the driver for most lighter stuff. Its also awesome for just general stuff around the house. If you want I can lend you the gen 3 m12.
Interesting stuff! Thanks for showing the pitfalls as well!
Im a carpenter and work in a commercial building atm. I have the m12 and love it, so do my coworkers. The main selling point is how light it is. At the end of the day all we are doing is putting small screws in steel framing and drywall screws lol. Get the appropriate tool for the right job.
I just got the 3453 M12 for under dash work on passenger cars and it’s working very well for that job. Not a screwdriver, I know but this is versatile enough to get the job done.
Also, I have a modifiend Ridgid 3.0ah octane battery. Swapped the cells out to make it a 4.2ah pack, and increased the continuous amperage from 35A to 45A. Planning on swapping the cells on one of my m12 batteries soon.
Saturday relaxed, almost buying the ultimate tech from Milwaukee, until I stopped to watch your video, by far, the best choice are the 2018 models MILWAUKEE 2853-20 M18 FUEL & MILWAUKEE 2804-20 M18 FUEL. Both tools are in eBay 89.99 each from many sellers. Thanks bro, I love your channel!
Keep up the great work, really appreciate all your hard work
Appreciate you saying so!
I'm a M12 guy. I like the small compactness of it and it fits well in my tool bag. Disappointed in the M12 here!
Having such a high torque impact driver seems pointless to me. The fact that it breaks the bits so easily kind of verifies that feeling. I have an M12 Fuel Impact driver (gen 3) that I use for screws and bolts/nuts that I can use with 1/4 drive (generally up to 13mm tops), and an M12 Fuel 3/8” drive impact for bigger stuff. The 1/4 hex driver is good for small stuff that probably needs less then 30ft*lbs, and I use the 3/8” drive for bigger stuff. No bits to break, it’s more compact in actual usage since it doesn’t need the long bit to work. Yes, it’s another tool to buy, but $120 for a tool that you use every day is nothing for a professional.
solidified my thoughts… i’ll be happy to keep my gen3 m12 and picking up gen3 m18’s on sale! good vid!
Thank you for another fantastic video! 🙏
I have the M18 and LOVE it. It's the most powerful Stubby drill you can get plus tri-led and very lightweight. Very hard to find just walking in a store and won't be on display either. Easy to find on-line. All the guys at work are jealous!!
Glad to see what dealing with returns would be like.
I have Apex,snap on and proto bit adapters and have not broken or twisted one yet.Although I dont quite use them as hard as you do,I think personally an apex or snap on adapter would be a good idea.Apex EX-370-B-4.It is only 3/8 drive though,not sure if they have 1/2 inch drive.They are extremely rugged though and have a very thick shaft.Once you need 1/2 drive it really makes sense to use an impact wrench anyway.
Glad I saw this My gen 3 impact driver is still going strong
I think you have to use the XC battery to get the numbers the manufacturer states, that got noticed on VCG construction, the no power issue will be the solder has melted on one of the joints, i used to get this on the original sawzall all the time, im not overly happy with the milwaukee tools currently, and seeing the new ones are not improved alot if at all on the old is even more of a reason to wait a bit longer for the new shiny tool. Having a better light isnt enough to upgrade.
I think they made the m12 gen 2 and 3 so good it's gonna be hard to top it . Like other commenters said they should probably focus more on durability , usability and versatility rather than just sheer power at this point . But then again power claims make tools fly off the shelves so that's what the marketing department is gonna push.
Thanks for GIVING your opinion on picking the Gn3 over the Gn4 I just needed to hear that before going to home depot
This channel is the reason why i havent try to get the Gen 4, awaiting Torques Channel test and input...in conclusion i will hold off for now and use my gen3's
I have the m12. And let me tell you. It’s my favorite impact. Very light weight and powerful. Just feels good
Even this model #?
Since you tried out the latest m12 impact driver, is there anyway you can test out the other two m12 impact drivers that Milwaukee has to offer?
When are you planning on redoing this test? I'm holding off on upgrading just because of this video. Also eagerly awaiting your M12 5.0 HO battery review before pulling the trigger. Is it a big improvement over the 6.0XC? Thanks for this channel!
Great review! I just subscribed - your reviews are the best! Just bought the M12 Gen 3 3453-21 (I think it's Gen 3), and you tested it for $100.00. It came with the battery, the charger and a carrying case for that $100.00. I didn't really buy it to drive long screws (though it will do that very well based on one review I have watched). I have larger impact wrenches for that. I want to use it in close quarters and more delicate work where there is not a lot of room. I also bought it because of the tri-LED work lights, which REALLY help a lot when driving screws in tight, dark places. I am going to be installing new interior door hardware on all the doors in my home (getting rid of the gold-colored hinges and door levers, yuck). This little impact is the perfect tool for this job. It will be much easier to install the door levers because I can control the torque, and it will drive the new hinge screws into the casing on my doors. Working on car interiors will also be a great use for this tool. Besides the tri-LED light, the M12 impact also has one-hand bit installation, which is also very convenient. The fact that you can set the speed of this small impact is also a significant feature when working on items that will easily damage if you over-tighten the screws. Really, for $100.00 with the battery, the 12V Milwaukee impact driver is a no-brainer. Interestingly, after I bought it, a review popped up on KZhead (yeah, Google tracking). The review author was an everyday guy who you could tell was a blue-collar worker who used his tools every day. He compared it to the second-gen M-18 Milwaukee (the smaller mid-size one) and the Bosch 12V impact driver. The 12V Milwaukee just stomped the Bosch in real-world tests driving 3" screws into wood - it wasn't even close. The Bosch 12V could barely drive the screw at all. But here's where it gets interesting. The 12V M12 Milwaukee actually drove screws as fast or faster (it was close) to the M18 second gen Milwaukee. The reviewer could not believe how fast the M12 was. You could tell, he was just stunned. Further, he bought the tool to use for his work, so he wasn't paid for his review. Here is the link to his review. I think that you will enjoy it because the guy REALLY understands real-world construction work where this tool will shine: kzhead.info/sun/jaiKoqmHcKmqdZs/bejne.html This is another review that is also interesting because the M12 would loosen nuts torqued down to 225 ft-lbs. - which is amazing. Again, this is a real-world application; the small M12 was not designed for it, but it worked. Note that with an XC 4.0Ah battery, the M12 broke a nut free that was tightened to 250 ft-lbs. The "loosening torque" is much higher than the "tightening torque," So apparently, the 12V performed at twice its 125 ft-lb rating. So, this result seems to contradict your dyno test quite a bit for some reason. Here's the link: kzhead.info/sun/jaiKoqmHcKmqdZs/bejne.html I don't think the M12 was designed to take off lug nuts. It was designed to be a small portable impact that can drive wood screws and similar screws if you need it. If you are going to drive 8" long, 1/2" diameter lag bolts, the M12 is not your tool. For smaller stuff, this small impact appears to be a beast in real-world applications. I love your review; they are excellent and very well presented. But one thing that might add to your channel is if you could try the tools you test in real-world applications because these are the most important tests these tools will face. I am not exactly sure how you would do that, but you might contact some blue-collar workers, mechanics, carpenters, etc., and ask them to use the tool in their work and video it. You could give them the tool for their trouble. Adding real-world experiences would make you the king of all reviewers.
always appreciate the metric unit , thx
Thanks this video just saved me some money on buying that new m12 impact driver.
I love it when you break a tool! Manufacturers beware, this tool is going to get tested AND most users of your tools will know everything. Better make them good! Thanks for another great video.
Wow two videos in 2 days! Nice!
The company that makes those adapters must love you all
Great test to find the weak link, but personally I use a small 1/2 impact for large screws.
When Milwaukee tells ya it's too new to warranty tell them you don't have the box to return it. I had the jobsite speaker quit working within a month and they told me the same thing. I told them I didn't have the box because I didn't expect a Milwaukee tool to die that quickly.
I have an M12 2551-20 impact driver. I also have Bosch and a Porter Cable impact drivers. Like my recent project where I needed to drive just short of a thousand 3-1/2" #12 deck screws (Torx bits used), the M12 was the one I reached for. Granted, I'm 80 years old, but its light weight, smooth operation with plenty of torque to drive the screws with a handy hook for my pocket so it was where I was when I needed it, was a winning combination. I've zero need for more torque in an impact driver. The ability to twist off adaptors is not a feature. I have the M12 3/8" drive stubby for that, and the 2767-20 (my only M18 tool though the 3/8" drive Mid Torque is at the top of my list) for when I need to remove really stuck stuff.
Some times it's not all about HP but functionality M12 is a fraction of the weight compared to the M18 so running deck screws all day I would definitely consider the M12
This! Milwaukee been done perfected the impact driver with the m18 Surge. I haven’t seen a person use a regular impact driver since that came out.
M12 surge is far superior m18 surge, same power and sound, half the size.
I’ve been HUGELY Disappointed with Home Depot’s return/ exchange/ warranty process on a Milwaukee tool also. #(2880) WITH receipt. And UNDER the 90 days specified on said receipt. They told me, “Milwaukee doesn’t let us ‘exchange’ them.. so I have to refund your money, and you just have to buy it again.” 🤯 Hmm.. wonder how many of those sales figures of theirs come from instances like this? 🤔 Sort of a workaround into fudging the numbers if you ask me.
If Mil won't allow HD to exchange, why are you blaming HD for the inconvenience?
This is interesting, I haven't experienced many issues with my m18 tools honestly, I've still got my gen 3.0 impact driver going strong and yes it still tries to drop bits but I've known this lol. My go to driver is actually my m12 surge hydraulic impact, I've simply fallen in love with it's portability to power ratio. I would love to see some tests on the hydraulic impacts! This m12 doesn't hesitate when putting in #10 3.5" wood screws, it might be a smidge slower than the m18 but it really is quiet and when you're only putting in 3-5 screws? Who cares.
Wow, some pretty surprising results.
That m12 one is 99 bucks with a battery and charger at Home Depot I just picked one up. Excited
Sound like a "right tool for the right job" situation to me. When I bought my m12 Hydraulic Impact, I choose that one over the standard Gen 3 because it was lighter, quieter, and smaller, even though the marketing admitted it made less peak inch pounds over the standard Gen 3 impact. My reasoning was, I was going to use this tool to install coax cable on house eves every day using cable clips with 1 inch screws, the tool was going to be used over my head almost always in uncomfortable spaces and positions and I wanted comfort over power. Trust me when you get draw the short stick and get nothing but old post wire homes and you gotta replace over 1000 feet of cable with a heavy drill, you're going to want to run to your van to cry for a little when you cant steady arm to get that last screw clip in.
Is the answer none of them survive? I’m a big Milwaukee fan, I’ve also had my m12 impact break driving in a sheet rock screw, and my m18 broke when I tried to break free my crank bolt. I was pretty sure it wasn’t going to be stout enough, but for the tool to break simply from trying to loosen a bolt, well, I thought that was the tools job.
I've been having the same issues with milwaukee tools and batteries failing on me, but seems to be the newer tools having problems.
Basically got my m12 driver for free. Home Depot is running a m12 high speed ratchet and hex driver plus two batteries and charger for $250… that’s cheaper than the ratchet and battery combo alone.
Thumbs up for the tri light! Hell ya
Thanks for the video
Looking forward to the follow up on this one and if the failure can be duplicated. Yikes, new Milwaukee not so reliable, possible....
I think you should test out the new Metabo HPT Bolt wh36dc. I have a Japanese import of it. It's a newer 36v, not the original triple hammer.
Ahh the Yellow Makita i still love that thing, although it was a pain in the ass to get it to Europe
The hilti SID 2-A is the nicest impact driver I have used, not the most powerful but that's what I love about it. It offers far more control with better trigger sensitivity and a more consistent trigger. If I want more power I grab an impact wrench. edit: Also it doesn't snap socket adapters nearly as much as my 2853-20.
Have you tried the newer brushless sid2-a12 ? Amazing.
@@vojnikjna30 SID 2A-12 is definitely a nice upgrade from the SID 2-A. SID -2 Extremely slow but smooth. Have both including the SID 4 and SID 6 Any Hilti product is phenomenal period!!
7:09 wow I was considering selling my Milwaukee gen3.5 impact driver and get a gen4 that just confirmed my decision, I’ll stick with the gen3.5!
I'd like to see a test with the battery-powered Metabo 1/2" drive. Thanks
The new M12 hammer drill when I was using it with a nylon wire cupped brush after 3-5 minutes shut off and flashed 4 lights indicating that it over heated. Somewhat disappointed considering I have a 12v Bosch that does not shut off on a lockout. I’m guessing these safety features are for adding more power and presetting the safety temp limit cutoff low enough so warranty claims diminish quite a bit.
If it's the M12 that dies, I'm gonna need someone to torture test the M12 drill, the actually compelling part of that duo.
I just don't think its wise to run 1/2" adapters on an impact driver and use larger sockets. Regardless if it can or not. I've ruined 1 impact driver doing that and partially ruined a chuck on another one making bits not stay in well. One reason why they sell impact nut drivers only up to about 5/8 or so.
was gonna say this same thing and I was thinking maybe the new design cant handle that big of socket or spin it with enough torque and speed to show the real results.
This is why I bought a 1/2" m18. Was worried about my 3/8" m12 that almost always was used with an adapter surviving.
The DCF850 is short as hell, and doesn't break minutes in. ...Hard to say what the best impact you should buy is.
850 with a power stack is hard to beat when it comes to compactness and lightness
Gen 3 M12 user here. I only use the HO 2.5Ah/30w & 5.0Ah/60w. I feel a very clear difference between my 2.5Ah and 5.0Ah batteries. I also have a m12 3/8" impact wrench and of course notice a very clear difference between the two batteries when applied. I have 100% power on the 2.5Ah batteries until I lose a quarter of battery charge. While the 5.0Ah batteries seem to give 100% power until I lose half of the battery charge. I'd love to see some tests on these new batteries, specifically the 5.0Ah/60w.
I use an m12 surge impact at work because it still getser done and it’s nice on my ears, do you have a video with the m12 vs m18 surge at max battery? And maybe also do a decibel test and show both torque and decibel information on the same graph
Max battery as in the biggest battery you can put on each respective tool
Amazing. All that hype from Milwaukee for this? Now, I'm really curious how the Flex does with 3.5 and 6.0 stacked batteries. Great testing, as usual!
Team Red is Dead. Flex already said it, they are what’s next.
Yeah I am disappointed in this new shit that dosnt even compete with the old. Damn RED get it together!
@@athannaelanderson3806Milwaukee is far from dead.
My impact of choice is always M12 size, weight, and performance. Then new Gen is worth it imo it feels faster and more powerful. However we are reaching the point where the tool will break themselves unless they use better materials
Went to Summit Racing in Ohio and they have the greatest Milwaukee display I have ever seen.
I use impact drivers every day and I think they have become more than powerful enough. What matters to me is ergonomics, weight, reliability and smoothness. In that instance, I think the Dewalt DCF850 takes the cake. The M12 would be my choice for smaller jobs.
This is why I never run my Makita on 4....breaks too much stuff
Nice to see a glimpse of the warranty process and that you can get a refund for it. Nothing sucks more than trying to warranty something and just get silence, or worse get your review censored for being "too negative." *cough* Amazon *cough* *cough*
I wonder if u can change the anvil on this impact to a 1/2. Like the old one. I wonder if it would be better then the gen 3 1/4 m18 1/2 anvil swap.
I know it's not really what you do, but I would love to see a tear down comparison between the Gen 3 and Gen 4. Whatever they changed for the Gen 4, it breaks down easily and often when used on larger fasteners. Which is weird since the new Hercules impact driver seems to be the same impact as the Gen 4, but it doesn't have any of the same issues.
Milwaukee are notorious for overpowering products to beat competition. My mate had a Milwaukee impact driver that constantly broke bits. Even my expensive Wera bits. They only last a day
Did I miss a re-test on the Gen 4 M18? Very curious whether that was just bad luck or whether we have another case of a new design that's got some serious problems.
I wonder if the impact bricked itself after getting jammed up? I have no idea how it would know that but it seems suspicious how it died. Maybe after detecting so many trigger pulls with no movement it shut itself down. That's not too crazy to believe given the new drills have kickback protection. Or maybe some component just blew up. Given the way impacts work maybe they have no jam up motor protection given that they shouldn't ever jam up and it fried itself.
Im sure they dont self destruct on purpose.
@@djsi38t not so much self destruct but disable itself. Sound crazy? Think again. Some Makita batteries count the number of times it couldn't be charged due to a battery fault and after so many shut itself down.
It's an electronics failure. All these brushless have mini motherboards (I prefer sticking with brushed), it probably overheated given the symptoms show.
Thinking about getting the gen4, any luck with the replacement your ordered from homedepot?
Love your knife. Good Japanese steel there.
I saw the brushless bauer impact in the list but I don't remember seeing that video. Was that a little hint at a video to come?
Wow! You killed it. Didn't expect that. Yet again another company releasing something that is not ready. To new to replace, that's proof of premature releasing products. Glad I've held off. Going to wait for sure now.
If only there was a brand that had: Less frequent releases, more testing, more engineered for the user and no sensational marketing? That would be great. They could chose a name like for example Makita, i think i would buy that.
@@pflaffik tbh I miss my Makita DTD171 the only impact driver I miss do to its function selections. Under powered slightly I found.
@@ToolTimeToday The problem with impact drivers is rather that theyre overpowered. Try the 7.2v Makita, it will be your favorite impact driver.
If only you realized this isn't normal. How many people are using a 1/4" tool on bolts that large? Oh wait, nobody outside of TTC!
Would love to see a test against the Gen 3 M12 driver, it is probably my most used cordless tool. Great for all my around the house stuff and the lighter stuff in the engine bay. Have no idea what sort of beans it makes though, so for all I know the disappointing numbers on the Gen 4 are still an improvement.
I'm glad I bought the gen-3(2853-20). And if I was buying the M12, it would be the Surge. Quieter, smoother, and still enough to drive screws.
My dewalt shit out finally and just reaks so Bad I was like finally time for the m18 . Got it today and now came across this and was so upset . Like oh no there is a new one , of course ! But other than the lights I’m very very happy with my purchase . Also this thing is so strong compared to the old dewalt I had . Also have the battery lights is great
I sell Milwaukee daily and process tons of warranties for milwaukee. Milwaukee has sent me other peoples tools that were sent in for repair (as in, I've received multiple warranty shipments of tools that have been fixed and they belong to other companies and other people not even in my state). Milwaukee has lost a couple of my customer tools. Milwaukee even sent me a D Ring impact that was still completely in pieces because they said it wasn't covered and customer didn't want to pay $150. It was literally the whole tool disassembled in a box they sent me back. I've had them deny warranty on a 2 speed grease gun with invoice and proof of purchase 3 weeks prior I sent off a chainsaw and got a brand new one box and all 5 days later. I got a 2767-20 that I never claimed. I got a multi-tool that I never claimed. As much as I love Milwaukee, they have issues
I guess we will have to wait for a Gen 4.1 or 4.5. So much for quality control
Well then, that settles that. I’ll be going back and grabbing one of the last 3 on clearance at the depot tomorrow
I'm happy with my gen3 and the last M12 driver they put out. Except the trigger on the m12, sometimes it doesn't go full bean's, u gotta mess with it alittle
Not impressive for 2 new models!
Can you guys do a drill video? I sometimes need to cut holes with a big spade bit or punch through aluminum and steel. RPM matters a lot, and I am dubious about many claims
You can use impacts for spade bits, the torque of a big drill is outright dangerous when working in tight spaces in weird positions. Impacts will not work nearly as fast as a huge drill but they get the job done without the employees going on sickleave with wrist injury. I got the XGT hammer drill, awesome power in high gear, but thats for big concrete bits, wouldnt use it for spades unless its in easy spots and then with the side handle attached.
ProjectFarm has done at least one drill video. I personally really like his tests and they often line up with the findings here.
The husky adapters are very strong I would recommend them.
I am debating getting a M12 vs an M18 impact driver for my sorta edc handle most jobs bag. I was looking to the M12 to compliment the M12 impact wrench I bought on your recommendation but this made me lean towards an M18. Side note I wonder if using a smaller bolt setup similar to the one you use for wrench testing would help these tools since that is the world they live in. Just a thought because I'm sure all the diffrent moments and torsion in the adapters do not help anything.
For the torque needed for what an impact driver does it won't make a difference
I like my m12 gen 2 and m18 gen 3 and the m18/m12 surge models (my go to actually; especially when do more remodels and inside a home w/ ppl; it does make a difference. Can also tell the “power” is wee bit lower, but like it; as imo, gives more control and don’t cam out Phillips heads so much). Do wonder if a gen 2 surge in coming for m12/m18 fuel models….I’m expecting yes, but not till late q4 2022 or late/mid q2/q3 2023 and will have to wait and see. As for me upgrading any of my current m12 gen 2 and m18 gen 3 tools. No, do love the led Tri-light on both, that imo is biggest “upgrade” to tools themselves, and the m12 does come (or buy Sep) accessories bit holder from Milwaukee themselves; kinda nice; otherwise, untill my current models/generations actually quit and Milwaukee won’t warranty them, will be staying w/ and wont be upgrading to gen 3/Gen 4 models (have tested, but had to return the tools as wasn’t allowed to keep, this time), but not a problem, imo, as nothing wrong w/ current models. Yes, know flex more power; but doesn’t mean need it, and also; w/ Milwaukee getting into stacked lithium battery cells, be interesting to see how the the gen 3 works compared to 18650/21700 cells, which are still good batteries, especially when the Gen 3 w/ ho cp3.0 selling for $129 ya can’t beat that deal, as great deal for a great tool that’s been around the block and back😉 Also, the new 2904-20 hammer drill driver w/ auto-stop safety feature so don’t sprain/break wrist….not a fan of how Milwaukee’s works actually compared to 2804-20 as seems to be less power and the Gen 4 was testing just kept shutting off b/c the auto-stop kept engaging, which is great, but compared to using the Gen 3 (2804-20 model) it seemed to take 2x-3x longer to do the job (actually was around 1.5-1.75x longer b/c of auto-stop) and as been wanting this feature and like on some of the SDS drills been using, I’m not a fan of it being on the 2904-20 Gen 4 model at all, and really like my gen 3. Maybe it needs tweaked w/ a updated model when Milwaukee manufacturers new stock (which will still be a 2904-20 but parts list and diagnostic list will list a a “revision b, & so on” model that every brand does throughout the life of a tool (example, 2853-20’s revision adding 2 ball bearings when collet kept malfunctioning and Milwaukee made a design change w/in same model number….which is normal for a brand). Time will tell, and still glad new tools released because gives competition in space which brings new innovations/features and helping everyone in trades and ppl using the tools “win” in long run, which it is a X country run and not a sprint, imo. Cheers✌🏻
My M12 3/8 gun started making a weird noise, I took it apart and one of the planet gears had a broken tooth on the gear. They didn't have one in stock so they gave me a whole new gun.
Can ya'll do the normal kobalt 24v driver? I know contractors use the xtr line but a lot of households have just the normal 24v brushless
This new little M12 seems like a nice contender to DeWalts newish DCF840. Would like to see how that little buddy does
I think most 20V tools would beat the M12. We need to add like 2-3 12V tools at once to see where it really lands.
@@TorqueTestChannel well I do say this in regards of the more slim, but long profile of it and the 840. I bought my 840 to replace my 5 year old 815 and is my go to for small underhood components and especially under the dash
@@TorqueTestChannel see if Man Caber Tools will lend you his DeWalt and Hilti 12v drivers.
I picked up the gen 3 18v in a pack out case with 2 3ah high output or whatever the 21700 cells and a charger on clearance for like $150 or $125 I don't remember it was a great deal
Great video, but what is the main use case for impact drivers? In Norway where I live i noticed that almost none are using these tools. Because everyone is just using a regular drill for screws, or a regular impact wrench for larger screws and bolts. Since we are building almost everything in wood, a regular drill seems to fit a lot better for regular carpenter work compared to a noisy impact driver.
Screws and small lags. Usually in wood. Dedicated drivers do a slightly better job than a drill after a couple inches deep for much less weight than the average impact wrench was when they were first introduced. And if you're drilling pilot holes first, you either have to change bits out constantly on your drill or have a 2nd tool around anyway to drive after making a pilot hole. The logic is it might as well be a different style tool that does the job better. For most job sites noise is almost not a consideration, especially if you had pneumatic nail guns and compressors along with diesel equipment running around. For those indoor sites where noise is a concern, later the mfgs came up with hydraulic/oil-impulse impact drivers.
@@WilReid Thank you for a excellent answer. I guess you americans use a bit different types of screws and fasteners than we do in Norway, so that's why you use different tools. As an example we almost never use lag bolts, other than fastening wood to concrete. So in a regular house the frame is mostly held together by regular wood screws like 6x120mm or 6x140mm where a regular drill would be the best tool for the job. Nail guns are also slowly fading away in the construction business, because of their heavy weight, wear on the operators arms and the noise. So a regular drill and screws are heavily favored over a nail gun by most workers.
I've noticed the new m12 drill set retails for cheaper than the gen 3 which is interesting
This is going to be good
LET'S GO!!!🏁
I would be ok with those low numbers of M12 if it price would be tad smaller as its perfect for home garage when you dont use impact driver often or for any heavy work. Of course it will get lower over time but stil... saving 15-20 bucks would be nice.