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00:00 Intro
00:31 Affliction Warlock
03:04 Augmentation Evoker
04:18 Balance Druid
05:51 Arcane Mage
08:13 BM Hunter
09:45 Demonology Warlock
11:00 Destro Warlock
12:06 Fire Mage
13:00 Frost Mage
14:07 MM Hunter
15:24 Devastation Evoker
16:50 Elemental Shaman
19:05 Shadow Priest
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As an Aug main in S3, I will say the difficulty is definitely between 'must stay awake' and 'could definitely watch KZhead while playing'.
Right like it’s that or it’s 200 iq doing degen minmaxing watching exactly where people are keeping track of a whole raids cds and positioning but that’s only necessary at the very top levels of play in raid and it’ll go mostly unnoticed in all but the top teams cause logs and details are broken cause of Aug
Really depends if you're raid or dungeoning. Aug is wonderful for progression, but once my raid gets off the ground I'll probably go Dev.
Thats not really telling anything, you can time +20 And more mythic dungeon while watching KZhead, And i would say im like average player. I Always watch KZhead when playing
Then you can play Aug.
Aug is so boring I left mid key out of boredom
Nice and fun video. I reckon you have not mentioned two things about Aff aoe rotation: first, agony duration is shorter than Vile Taint CD, which makes you stop your aoe rotation in order to refresh agonies one by one. That is mandatory because you get resources from your agony dots.The second thing to consider is the player skill and experience to assess whether to use SoC or MR, which, in my opinion, is not straightforward.
Interesting approach
What is the addon / WA that you use to have the shinning dots around each player life?
Elementals entire currently clunkiness is due to needing Flame shock on targets and still having a CD on FS. Shaman is the only class that I can think of that still has a dot that has a CD. I feel like removing the CD would make the current playstyle and overall spec feel much better. Totem helps, but the 1 min CD and no real spreading mechanic outside of it makes the initial pull ramp feel off when you need to get out lost of flame shocks.
I miss Legion elemental so much
or lava burst should spread flame shock to nearby targets, i dunno
Tier set needs FS to work, no way spreading FS, FS has CD, magma totem only out 3FS per cast💀. Fire who design this please.
@@dailyzq5943 once you get those instant constant lava bursts its pretty much game over isnt it?
I love your videos my guy, they are thorough and fun to watch. I love tier lists, unlike most people, but to add: when I play, I just push buttons when they are off cooldown or proc. I couldn't care less about rotations. I am pretty sure I am close to being average, but my damage is always decent or competitive. Could it be better? Sure, if I cared. I play the game for fun and to complete content at a casual pace. I am old now and what makes MMOs fun is NOT reading spread sheets of numbers to get maybe 10% more DPS, so all in all, the easiest class for me is the one with the least amount of buttons or the one I can macro 3-6 abilities into one button, so it's more chill. Now if people want to complain and say "Oh you are bringing the group down", ok?, I am really okay with that and I more than likely agree, so I just leave the group and move on and you can get someone else. I am okay with that. Win/win
I’ve played Elemental/Enhancment since WoD. Anytime I play any other class, my hand hurts less.
I'm five seconds into the video: BM Hunter. There, done.
As a mage player i would argue all 3 mage specs are in "hard" now 1)Arcane big and small bursts really easy after you get use to it, actual hardness comes with mana managment and how you deal with it between bursts, also tier set a bit cluncy in AOE. 2) Fire mage easier to understand but its only at first, you think you know what to do but you will do 20%-40% less damage than top fire mages because you literally need manage all your GCD in "small" combusts, if your combustion uptime less than 50% you can forget about doing good damage, i would say fire mage have rotation but you need to do a lot of decisions at hight speed while performing. Also needing of mousover macros usage for AOE is extra difficult to me 3)Frost mage really not so easy as before, now you need manage "winter chill" stacks, almost every your big spell should hit inder this debuff, also because flurry hits 3 times and debuff stacks only up to two, you always need precast something and hit right after first flurry hit, so frost ends up not with rotation but with priority list with large number of variables. Now add to all this specs that your surviveabillity is active and not passive to live you need press shield and other defencives constantly or you die first out of group, when warlock for example just have large amount of hp which is passive surviveabillty
I only play fire and even though I "know" the rotation, I just can't play at its best and my dps just sucks. Maybe cause im doing smalls keys but my damage is like really bad
Big difference between arcane dps on a dummy and arcane dps on a 28 EB where surviving is difficult/takes globals and losing surge/magi is catastrophic to your damage. Not to mention you can’t hold CDs because you won’t have mana.
mage is generally bad in small keys, mobs need to live long enough for ignite to get rollin@@milenkomimica4115
@@milenkomimica4115fire makes big D dps only in high keys and only with high stat gear.
@tsj8726 So which one would you recommend a beginner for mage? I’ve been pondering the possibility for a new alt as I see they do OP damage and ports etc. they look like a lot of fun although there intimidating as I play mostly melee my main is unholy which is not even close to meta but I still enjoy it😁
I love this easiest/hardest series! You’re doing a great job 😊
i generally agree with this list except shadow priest. I feel like it should be at hard tier just because of how annoying shadow crash can be and how bad it can be if you miss it in m+ big packs kek
I would say MM hunter is easier as devestation evoker 😊 but maybe i need to play ranges more often
Question about BM Hunter I've never been able to find a definitive answer to...am I actively controlling my pet's movement? Am I needing to move them around to avoid boss attacks or to move them to new targets even if I haven't switched yet? I saw an old Preach video where he was saying that's the difference between great BM Hunters and the sort you mainly encounter in the game. Thanks!
No, you don't need to do that. Don't worry about it.
I find Fire to be the hardest mage spec to play effectively.
Here comes "my spec is not easy, its the hardest!!!" Or "my spec is easy to learn but hard to máster!!"
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I realize this list is subjective, but I think Destro is noticeably easier than BM. Full movement is definitely a huge bonus for BM, but there is more complexity to the spec than you mentioned. Of course, most of that complexity is the difference between a 90% parse and a 95%. Destro, on the other hand, is just straightforward and simple. There is very little complexity to the rotation or cooldowns. The trade-off to being essentially an auto-pilot spec is long cast times. In the end, I think it depends on what you struggle with more. Personally, I find Destro to be easier, but I also watch timers and know when movement is going to be needed.
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crazy i think ever arcan and Bm are the brain dmg yolo specs in the game but for now need for arcan more brain cells nice.
Brain cells good when need
@@MarcelianOnline but the biggest problem is ... people cannot Kick. (Interrupt) :D
DH also tier S. Easiest class in game and also rotation not punish you.
I'm surprised you didn't rank boomkin as hard, you just put out a video talking about how bad you are at boomkin? not a "shots fired" thing, I'm honestly wondering.
The video about boomkin has nothing to do with how difficult I find the spec :D That was from a different perspective :)
Someone got the ice mage WA on hand?
As someone who mains mage for two seasons now and really spamming m+ and raids with it, I really think fire is actually harder than arcane. I mean imo there's that classic difference between skill floor and skill ceiling. Arcane is really hard to get to because the whole rotation lasts 90s, but it's actually very repetitive. Fire on the other hand, if you really want to execute properly, you need to know all the permutations and know how to react to them. Even with arcane being less mobile, I think a novice playing the game for e.g. 20 raids would perform better on arcane than fire.
Same here
Hey there, in general i would say that Shadow Priest is easy to play. The main issue is getting decent gear to work well. But on the aspect of rotation and priority it is pretty easy to learn. Point about MD, shackle are thing that every class with such spells hits. But overall i agree with you. Greetings from Germany and from a mythic raider Shadow Priest and rio-pumper :)
Interesting bc I'm also a shadow main mythic raiding etc and I find it nearly on par with arcane mage.
@@carefae3589 I think it depends on how „deep“ into any content we go. For +20/21 Shadow is decent to play. When it comes to Pushing keys where survivability is a point, I will give you „1 Point“. On the other hand it is the same thing into raiding. But Shadow like Arcane? Naaah :)
I would argue that the Ele it's avg. As the flames shock management it's hard in higher mythic, to pull off good dps and use your utility Kit, and not always struggling not to die because we have no defensives. At least to me feels like really hard to perform with it in higher keys.
Can be, felt a learning curve there as well
I hope classes get more easy again in the future
Bm utility spec btw
I would argue Dev is Average for sure. It feels similar if not a bit harder than Demo 'lock, and a bit easier than SPriest.
That’s probably a fair spot for demo. Feels super easy this tier relative to last
I REALLY wish Blizzard would make Arcane Mage easier
It was in BFA, a 2 button spec and nobody played it :D
Nahh man, dumbing down of specs sucks balls. Reward skill.
How can be Mm hunt average and on same place like sh priest ?:D big lol
Weird right?
I want dumbed down specs!!! Tired of 20 button rotations and clunk
Exactly. Legion was perfect in that regard
yea bro. idk why i decided to main an enhancement shaman…
Yes bro I have tried almost all dps spec except Pally, Enh Shaman is the clunkiest.
I'm happy there's still 20 buttons rotation, I don't like easy specs. Arcane mage and enh sham have been a blast this season. It's great that there's fun specs for both worlds currently!
Demo warlock - easiest by far. So easy I get SOOO bored.
Is this order makes no sense
affliction is at the least hard cause it suffer from movement punishment as arcane does especially on aoe when you spam seed(big cast time) , moving there destroys your dmg.
Aug is easy af in keys. Raids require a lot more to be good, add on's knowing what specs have the most burst during your ebon might/shifting sands buff. tracking when to use breath of eons for the most damage. its easy on the surface but much harder to be good at.
Bm snore feast lol
aug is easy,,all the spells automatic buff your team, you dont need to do anything
Problem with balance is its the most backwards spec in game, play aoe to do single targer, play single target to do aoe. Always expect to be oneshotted by basicly eveything in the game, längst cooldowns in the game. Least formgivning cooldowns in the game with the fact that its the longest and you can get oneshitted by basicly everything in game. Lowest self heal in the game. Being tanky to survive anything to oneshot you means u loose 100% damage basicly. Zero burst, just ramp wich wich makes is the most worthless class in low keys becaus we do No damage and still get oneshotted 🤣 we do insane damage in high keys but yeah, oneshot oneshot oneshot. Im quite sure everyone at blizzard hates balance and Thats why we are the hateobject and punchingbag of blizzard that Always kick us down and keep kicking us when we are down and then spits in our face as they are kicking us when we are down. And ofc the playstyle is 100% dot management 100% movement management 100% resource management and 0 survivability and 100% upptime perfektion needed to get mehh, what other classes do by just saying hi to the adds
All the true ranged DPS seem very underwhelming right now. BM and demo are melee pet specs, boring. Gives us a fun ranged caster. Buff ele sham. I thought my 7 year old nephew how to play BM looked like he'd been playing for years after just an hour lol it's dumb simple.
Just play low m+ (below 20s) and watch out which specs tend to perform poorly most of the time and you see which spec is easy and which are not. BM and Ret pretty much always perform good, while fire mage and spriest dmg ist awful almost every time. Somehow bad players seem to perform better on melee dps
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Marksman is seriously under rated. Im top dps in almost every 22 key I do with 480ilvl
Do you have your build link? I would like to try
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Dont do tier list budy . As person who played almost every spec up to 2.8_3k ish i dont wana defend any spec bcz i played almost all of them and like them but im starting to think ppl dont have a single idea how bm hunter works . If u consider u have to press buttons almosy non stop and the fact that ur priorities changed randomly every single seconds and the rotation is so much fast paste its make it chalenging to master . Not saying its hard hard but defently harder than destro devestation mm aug.
its definitely not harder than any of those specs you listed, you can get a weak aura that tells you when to barbed shot optimally, a weak aura that shows your beast cleave so you can remember to keep it up. That's it brother that's the spec. its easy. Oh damn you gotta push kill command with beast cleave up and keep barbed shot rolling and dump it before bestial wrath where you get barbed shots back shit this is so fuckin hard
@@Whimsykiller ur right 2k dummie
@@peymanshakoori4284 3k dummy but even that isnt much. Sorry you think your spec is hard rofl
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Arcane seems like a hard spec, but it's very scripted and easily the easiest spec of the 3 mage specs. Fire is just muscle memory.
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