Kevin Durant deserve to be in the GOAT debate alongside LeBron, Jordan & Kobe? | NBA | UNDISPUTED
Skip Bayless, Richard Sherman and Keyshawn Johnson discuss Kevin Durant. Durant questioned why he isnt in the debate for the greatest basketball player of all-time amongst the likes of LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and others. Skip, Richard and Keyshawn decide if Durant should be in the GOAT debate.
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Kd and kawhi gave Leflop his finals losses😂
Lebron is the GLOAT Greatest looser of all time.
How was KD the best when Steph was getting double teamed?
@@charlesbuckley5615 all superstars get doubled. Shut up
also Skip analyzes way too much from a place of bias. Everything is centered around diminishing Lebron to Prop up Jordan indirectly. it's too obvious and ridiculous
Skip is one of the stupidest people to ever walk this earth
Unfortunately that's his deal and in this day and age for sports talk hosts?that's what works,,smh
U don’t have to prop up Mike mike legacy set in stone lebron is the only player that try convince fans that he has had a more difficult road than anybody when in fact he hasn’t the bubble yr was a blessing to a talented yet injury prone older team by giving them an offseason in the middle of the year refs helped in Miami and kyrie balled tf out
the Jordan bulls were blessed with both rule changes and "soft" refs who as magic johnson would say "don't breathe on michael or it's a foul." the 90s were a diluted league @@BobSmith-said
First thing my guy you're wrong . Because all of you bron fans do everything possible to try to make your case for bron to be in the goat debate . When there was never a debate in the first place. LeBron is a great player but it was never a time in the NBA when he was the best player in the league. I'm sorry to tell you . Jordan's bulls were the team to beat . During the Brons era the golden state was the dynasty. Only argument that Brons fans have is bron has been playing for such a long time. And still barely have 4 rings . Jordan played for way less time and got way more rings and awards and accolades. So that's why Kevin Durant asked about it. Durant is a way better NBA player than Bron.
You joined the best team ever to win your rings bro. Even Kawhi has a much better legacy then you do.
Who did kawhi play with to get his first rings ?
Arguably the best PF of all time
@@kakashilast4612what point are u trying to make????
@@kakashilast4612 when he was hella old
@@kakashilast4612Kawhi joined the 1 seed in Toronto to put them over the top
When KD joined the warriors it basically cemented his place outside of the goat debate. When you have to join forces with the top franchise in the league as a top 3 player you're basically guaranteeing wins instead of actually earning them. Same would've went for LeBron if he joined the warriors, or Jordan if he joined the Celtics or Lakers, but they didnt and they still have more rings than KD.
I see why Kevin did what he did but im not impressed with him winning with a team that only lost 9 games the previous season
How many did they lose in the postseason and they went 73-9 because Steph has the best shooting season of all time he hasn’t been on that level after that MCL sprain
Big fax and they lost the final in game 7. So technically they needed KD to help them win an extra game in the finals. Idk how they let skip off the hook with that bs
@@Banks23 Not only that, but they arguably had that series won anyway being up 3 - 1. Skip talks out both sides his mouth on this one because he also takes credit away from Lebron over Draymond being suspended and that's why they lost. Then the next sentence he's preaching how Golden State HAD TO HAVE Durant to beat Lebron. No Skip, it doesn't work both ways. And then we all got to see one of, if not the most loaded team ever in the NBA..?? So we're all supposed to give Durant mad props for winning championships on the best team, again, arguably ever? Naw, sorry, not every championship is created equally. Durant is going to go down as one of the all time greats, but he really needs to carry a f'n team himself to a championship.
Steph has won 2 without him and he has won ZERO without Steph. That's why he is not in the conversation period. Steph's 4th title vs the Celtics destroyed KD's GOAT case.
Absolute facts
FACTS
KD is a great player. But he's not in the conversation for GOAT.
Your right it’s not a conversation he is the goat
@@petermontagna7702you don’t know ball 😭
He is in conversation for the GOAT as an individual player if you exclude accolades. Not a GOAT overall which includes career.
He is the goat
A goat doesn’t join a team he lost too. What are we talking about?? KD is not a goat. What he win before and after golden state??? I’ll wait ….. 🦗
0:13 "his ability to be a 7-footer"
*Durant 1 MVP, 2 FMVPs* “Nowhere near GOAT convo” *Kobe 1 MVP, 2 FMVPs* “Top 2 all time minimum” *LeBron 4 MVPs, 4 FMVPs* “Uhhhh Kobe’s better”
Kobe nowhere near GOAT CONVO EITHER .
Sounds good without context. This is why some people shouldn’t talk sports. 🤦♂️
Lolz... leave Kobe outta this. We all know sup but...
@@SuburbanDude.what context?? Whatever excuse y’all give kobe for only having 1 mvp and 2 finals fmvp doesn’t count when it’s applied to lebron so who cares
Just ignore the 5 rings like they don't matter.
A segment like this should have been with Paul pierce and Rachel. Skip missing unc right now 😂😂😂
Skip been missing Unc this show is toast
Yup, I agree, because KD isn't even better than Steph. He just isn't, and he hasn't had the playoff runs Steph has had. Steph literally has twice as many chips, mvps than KD and has 2 less scoring titles and the same number of FMVPs (yes I include 2015 as a FMVP) Steph is top 10 (pushing top 5) and KD is between 11-15 with competion from Giannis and maybe Joker. There's levels to this.
"Don't do it, SKIUP! 😤" 🥲🥲🥲
KD will never be part of the goat conversation. He basically got a free ride to two rings with the best team in the league. And he never won anything outside of golden state, even when he had kyrie and harden, now beal and booker. and i don't think he will have a easy time this year because all the team's r strong like Celtics, bucks, thunder, nuggets etc
They didn’t win the precious year so that wasn’t the best team in the league, he embarrassed the “best team in the league”
Even thinking about putting Kevin Durant in that conversation before you give Tim Duncan his due is just madness.
That Part
Duncan would be in the goat conversation more if he won game 6 in miami or game 7 thus he is 6-0 and things will get serious
@@Legendary_god2002I'm a Spurs fan, but it's unlikely they repeat if they won that 2013 series. But I'm certain he's right next to Kobe and that's really enough for me 🙂
@@josephhinojosa4715 keep in mind the spurs were still an excellent team in 2014 I could have potentially won back to back in 2013 and 2014 knowing how the spurs would constantly build really good teams and beat an excellent thunder team and in 2014 the heat pretty much ran out of gas due to the heavy amount of minutes on their body.
@@Legendary_god2002 That loss in 2013 was the biggest motivator for the 2014 run. They had a laser focus that we don't see often from any team. I agree they had talent and excellent chemistry, but they had an underdog spirit at their core. Otherwise, I don't think they would've beaten Dallas or OKC that year.
This headline is so stupid I’m not even going to bother watching the episode.
He'll go down as a Hall Of Famer but he will never be in the 🐐 Convo
Exactly
Ah yes the bravery, the courage to join the Warriors; right up there with The Flu Game, Lou Gehrig's speech, and Brett Favre in Oakland.
Good Favre pull people forget about that
Durant joined a ready made champion, he gets no props for that. If not for Durant going to golden state Lebron would probably have seven rings. Not to mention that year Love and Kyrie got hurt.
I hated the gsw move but that’s not even why he not in the convo. That’s the last time he was in the finals. That’s the last time he was an absolute unit on the floor. He’s been to too many teams with nothing to show for it
Durant is in a conversation for a GOAT individual player in a vacuum. Where you just see how good of a player someone is without counting any accolades,winning ,meltdowns... just their skills as a basketball player. To prove that, just take a look at him with Warriors. Everyone without question knew Durant was the best Warriors player. Everyone knew Durant was better than Curry. Thats why stories in those finals were Lebron vs Durant and Curry vs Irving and thats why he won those finals MVPs. But most of us agree Curry ranks higher all time than Durant thats because he is a better winner and has a better career. But in the overall GOAT where careers are almost just as important as skills Durant isnt even in top 10.
Exactly. This is why Lebron fans will never let him live it down 😂
Kevin Durant Warriors is Best Desicion his Career Great Move By KD To Join Warriors And Beat Cavs 4 0 and 4 1😂😂 Lebron Form Superteam in Miami😂 and Lebron Surrounded With Allstar😂 KDurant Nah Nahh I Join Goldenstate😂 4 0 4 1 vs lebron😂
@thesplasshh910 They wouldn't build a talented team around Bron in Cleveland, so he built his own. They weren't champions already, but they became champions. Bron had to face Detroit basically by himself and the Celtics by himself, and the Spurs; All Super Teams. Think about these teams and then see who had the super team.
I wish skip brought up the 3-1 series OKC blew before GS blew one…. Smh🤦🏽♂️
Keyshawn is 💯 correct and KD and goat talk should never be in the same sentence
Skip discrediting Steph and Klay because they fell to LeBron last year is hilarious
I could see KD being at least brought up in GOAT conversations if he can win 2 chips without Steph
KD absolutely doesn't belong in GOAT discussion. If KD does belong in discussion, then Hakeem should be in as well. He was the most skilled center.
If depend on the list criteria. I think if it’s mainly skill set, he should be considered for sure. But accolades no because there are more accomplished/decorated superstars.
I agree. I think Durant is in a conversation for a GOAT individual player in a vacuum. Where you just see how good of a player someone is without counting any accolades,winning ,meltdowns... just their skills as a basketball player. To prove that, just take a look at him with the Warriors. Everyone without question knew Durant was the best Warriors player. Everyone knew Durant was better than Curry. Thats why stories in those finals were Lebron vs Durant and Curry vs Irving and thats why he won those finals MVPs. But most people agree Curry ranks higher all time than Durant ,thats because he is a better winner and has a better career. But in the overall GOAT where careers are almost just as important as skills Durant isnt even in top 10.
@@TheDwight12 I agree for sure. He needs probably 2 rings and another MVP to raise his ranking when it comes to accolades but if it’s just skill set he’s close to the top easily imo.
This is crazy
*long duo sigh* Key: Take us to commercial break, Skip. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@UndisputedOnFSI no problem. Any time. I love Undisputed.
When we talk about GOAT, we put everything on the table: championships, accolades (MVPs, all-star appearances, all-NBA, all-NBA defensive, impact, individual star power, etc.) 1 MVP and 2 championships with an already championship caliber team don't cut it. Even Kobe, with his 1 MVP, 2 FMVPs, and 5 championships doesn't have as strong case, coz Jordan has 5 MVPs and 6 championships, and Kareen has 6 MVPs + 6 championships. If you're not in the top 2 or even 3, you have little to no case. You just easily get eliminated from the discussion. I love me some KD. Just being objective.
What are we talking about 🤦
If we talking about skills. I have no problem with putting KD in the goat conversations. But if we are going off skills you need to include Carmelo Anthony, Russell Westbrook and Allen Iverson and James Harden. But we can’t put them in the discussion apparently because they didn’t join a 73-9 team and got a ring
I respect Kd, but short version of Richard’s explanation. Kd has never won a championship on a team that wasn’t already orchestrated and won 73 games. It’s really simple. Okc had legit teams and they couldn’t win. Brooklyn still had a big 3, phoenix we’ll see how it goes for the next couple years. Until he leads a team on his own with no other teammates that’s either top 2-3 in the league, he can’t even be in the discussion for goat
Jordan didn’t go and join the Pistons/Celtics
Just gotta laugh before I even watch this 😂
Kevin Durant Is 1 Of Da Goats 🐐
1. Mj 2. Kobe 3. Kareem 4. Tim Duncan 5. Bill Russell
O I’m BUGGIN lmao
The answer is NO.
Try to win a ring outside GSW first then we can talk about GOAT
Absolutely NOT
The narration from Skip makes me laugh😂
Absolutely not!!! Everyone in my Mt Rushmore all time NBA meets this criteria: 1) 4+ NBA champion 2) 3+NBA Finals MVP 3)3+ Regular Season MVP 4) 9+ All NBA first team 5) Not be on a team where the last time they won( which was only 2 years and he was still there and useful) they were so loaded they had to move their last NBA Finals MVP to the bench. And some of these guys have more accolades like multiple All NBA Defensive first teams 1) MJ 2) Lebron James 3) Kareem Abdul 4) Magic Johnson You wanna be in the GOAT convo KD have that and win a chip outside GS.
KD got asked a question. He answered with a sentence. Now can everyone just give KD and the Suns props, you guys have said all nonsense to discredit the team this year.
1. LeBron 2. Kareem 3. MJ Rest is irrelevant in this topic.
Skip literally tells the same story, the same exact way, over and over again.
Good point about the hampton 5, why is kd weak for the move and not the warriors.
Just like Lebron weak for joining Dwade and Chris Bosh
Nah , KD shouldn't be in that Conversation bro.
Shoutout to Undisputed for putting KOBE in the title… Meanwhile First Take was naming Tim Duncan to be in that convo and didn’t even bring up Kobe’s name ❗️
Timmy have a better goat argument than Kobe
Stop!! Please stop. This argument is making me dumb
1. Michael Jordan 2. Lebron James 3. Kareem Abdul Jabar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Bill Russell 6. Wilt Chamberlin 7. Larry Bird 8. Tim Duncan 9. Shaquille O’neal 10. Kobe Bryant
I like how Skip always glosses over KD blowing a 3-1 lead to said Warriors and pretends he outplayed LeBron where Bron was triple teamed and KD was single covered
He's a top 25-30 and that's it. All the top 20 carried their team to the ring at least once and all the top 10 made it at least twice. The goat list is even shorter with only 4 guys available (Russell, Jabbar, Jordan and James).
Hey Skip what happened to KD after he left GS? Correct me if I’m mistaken but didn’t they win another title without? What has KD done ever since? On top of that the man only have ONE mvp.
Tim Duncan is more of a GOAT than K.D because even after David Robinson retired he held the Spurs down and won more titles in San Antonio of all places. I don't see that any different than being in OKC and winning ships.
Hes in the convo for most skilled and talented but when u factor in other things like accolades and intangibles thats what keeps him put of the Goat convo
If he has all this skill and talent why does it not translate into championships outside of GSW
I love KD but bro come on. no. not even close.
The disrespect for Kobe is seriously getting out of hand!
The take Richard had was on point.
need Rachel for a topic like this, Key/Sherm got ZERO nba knowledge
They seriously still trying to raise KD over Lebron since 6 years ago and he hasnt moved the needle any closer since the last time he won in golden state. Also Jordan is the 🐐.
The way the undisputed views dropped after unc left is insane 😢
Love Keyshawn
Only Skip would say KD going to a 73-9 team is a “challenge” LOL Imagine if Lebron did that 🤣
Why the same people that say they don’t mind KD going to GS are the wins that keep bringing up “the decision”
Really Keyshawn... I guess cowboys were happy with 3 instead of 4 , what a thjng to say
Skip Bayless’ takes make it bad 4 people trying 2 do journalism or sports talk while never playing the game.
If we criticize his wins with GSW we need to do the same with Lebron going to the Cavs joining Kyrie
Facts Skip
KD join a great team to win and so did lebron….,,the only difference is lebron won somewhere else twice…..
Put lebron Steph klay and draymond against kd, see what happens
Kevin is not in the goat decision.
I love how these players tell us they are the goat. When the real goat never says a word.
Robert Horry got 7 rings. He the real GOAT
He gotta pass up Steph before he start talking about MJ, Kareem, and Lebron
No
KD is in the 🐐 convo
KD is one of the most skilled players of all time. But he's not in the GOAT convo.
MJ laughing his a** off while looking at the iPad 😂😂😂
I could’ve won with that warriors team and I’m a swimmer! 😂 💯🤷🏻🫡
They didn't beg him..KD needed GS
Love KD… It unfortunately, he DQ’d himself from The 🐐 debate by signing with GSW. And oddly enough…by leaving he further is DQ’d since GSW won again when he left.
Kevin it’s pretty obvious why you’ll never be in that conversation 🤦🏾♂️
There is no debate Damn , it’s Jordan
Even for skills… KD not a good enough defender to be in that convo
Jordan was on 9 all defense teams How many for KD?
They both need super teams to even compete. There’s no difference between them.
GSW is in a tailspin. Can you imagine if KD went back to GSW? No longer could it be a said he was given a ring. Now, he is and would be the reason GSW would be back on top. This is wishful thinking but imagine what it could be like for GSW and KD.
Why is nobody mentioning this man only has one mvp, and he’s played with all the best players in the league and could only win with the best team ever 🤦🏾♂️ give it up
The politics of TV....ALL these "IFs" coming from the same guy who called Skip, IF Bayless.
I don't understand what KD's perspective on this is? Usually when people have these GOAT debates, it's about individual and team accomplishments. So, if we accept that as the standard, the people who are typically in that debate have far more individual and team accomplishments as KD...in some cases 4 or 5 times as many. But if he was calling for a nuanced approach to it, I think I could respect that point of view more. Instead, this just seems like he's just complaining about not being included...
I'd include him if he ever returned to OKC to help them win a chip.
“Are we talking about championship or just his skill set?”
02:00 He was asked a question
Yeah and he shouldn’t be
KD is my favorite player all time, but you don’t get into the GOAT convo based on talent. It’s about your resume and how you leveraged that talent. KD isn’t even top 10 yet.
In order to be in the goat debate, your resume should atleast on par with MJ to be in the conversation. Kd's just dont have enough against Jordan or even to Lebron, he isn't even in the top 5 for me.
I just realized KD don’t have back to back regular season mvps like Bron, Steph, Giannis, or Jokic. Crazy! And he hasn’t won a ring/fmvp with the team that drafted him.
Goat convo no.. BOAT convo yes
It’s between lebron and Jordan every non casual knows it. Kdisney is nowhere near this 🤣🤣🤣
LEGOAT didn’t go to a 73 win ALREADY CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM WITH THE GREATEST RECORD OF ALL TIME AND THE GREATEST SHOOTERS OF ALL TIME AND 4 HOFAMERS IN HIS STARTING LINE UP!
If you're not put your skills into success for your team. you are not the GOAT. There's ALOT of players throughout the years in this 55 year old league that have skills but people doesn't talk about them, because they hasn't have enough successful careers. And the GOAT usually are the one who is the BEST player in the league for a long time. I don't know if KD ever has been considered to be the best player in the league to be honest 🤔
Skip is embarrassing at this point! He has to beg people to do a show with him!😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂
He’s incredible, but ever since he got injured he was never the same
Bro, this is what’s wrong with this generation. Everyone running around proclaiming themselves as the greatest without actually proving anything. It’s laughable.
KD is in that 2nd level group of greatness. Where the players that would be top-tier if they won a title (Barkley and Ewing level). Durant has been too sensitive, too inconsistent, doesn’t seem like a great leader.