0 vs 100 vs 250 vs 500 % Magic Find in D2R

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How much Magic Find should you have? How much does MF even matter in Diablo 2: resurrected?
In this video I do 100 Hell Mephisto runs with 0%, 100%, 250%, and 500% increased magic find to see how much of a difference there is in the number of sets and unique items that drop.
You can find a lot of good advice about this online, but I decided to do some testing myself.
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  • I dont why this format of video is so damn entertaining...I watch every one of them. I barley even play D2. I guess I played it enough to understand how good some drops are.

    @noteveryday@noteveryday9 ай бұрын
  • Great video man! I love how you put this together. Nice to see real world of these stats put into work.

    @BTHDreamer@BTHDreamer8 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! Glad you liked it.

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
  • If you were tuning in to the live premiere, the live chat ended before I could respond to the last few live chat messages... Thanks for tuning in, it was fun chatting with you, and I hope to do this "premiere" thing again 😄

    @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Appreciate the dedication on this

    @mauriciomove@mauriciomove7 ай бұрын
  • Great content as usual! I've always felt like the sweet spot is around 250-300 mf. You can easily achieve that without severely compromising your dmg output and still do runs efficiently, and get a lot of good stuff. Getting too much mf beyond that point will only make your runs slower and the reward is definitely not worth it in terms of drops per minute.

    @junqueirapedro13@junqueirapedro139 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! 🙂 And I agree

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Thanks for the work man!

    @eol5417@eol54178 ай бұрын
  • This is the most swedish english i have heard.

    @freddew@freddew9 ай бұрын
    • Då skulle du höra mig när jag pratar vardagsengelska 😉

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • When it rains it pours, den tar jag med mig 😊

      @freddew@freddew9 ай бұрын
    • Some swede just do this. We do not all have "knut" sounding englando

      @Dawit49@Dawit492 ай бұрын
    • ​@@zarfenSay "Jon Bon Jovi eats a cheeseburger"? :D

      @ID-8491@ID-8491Ай бұрын
    • its so swedish it sounds like he could start fellating a migrant at any second

      @Szgerle@Szgerle13 күн бұрын
  • I normally aim for around that 250-300 mark while working on my grail as I definitely noticed a significant impact on damage depending on the build I am playing glad this has been verified by you p.s love your vids man

    @Dragoon-tie@Dragoon-tie9 ай бұрын
    • Same here, 250-300 is where I feel like I have “enough” but it depends a bit on what character I run of course. Thank you so much!

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • same. 250-300 seems very optimal in terms of clearing speed. you might save two seconds per run with less mf, but thats not at all worth doing as a run might take a full minute with an unlucky online map layout. 105fcr should always be met

      @pascaltomasovic3586@pascaltomasovic35869 ай бұрын
    • @pascaltomasovic3586 yeah I think that’s a good rule of thumb, but it also depends so much on what character you run and what gear you have available.

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • your best odds are look at the shape of the moon the night you are grinding. Moonless / Crescent = go back to bed, dont waste time Full moon = LETS GO BABY

      @xijinpig7978@xijinpig79789 ай бұрын
  • Nice vid dude, very interesting to watch

    @k1kk0ssbm13@k1kk0ssbm139 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! Glad you liked it

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Great video! I’m mostly impressed with the fact you were able to hit 500% EXACTLY lol. Something I think I’ve noticed during my limited MF experiments is: the higher MF seems to have more of an affect on the higher tier (Exquisite/Elite) equipment.

    @LuketheGamerDuke@LuketheGamerDuke5 ай бұрын
    • Glad you liked it! Getting even MF numbers took some planning, but with a variety of small charms of with different Mf it was not too hard. MF only affects rarity (magic, rare, set, unique) but I’m aware it looks like it gives better items based on my finds in the video.

      @zarfen@zarfen5 ай бұрын
  • Great video, and really well edited.

    @Strokjer@Strokjer5 ай бұрын
    • Thank you!

      @zarfen@zarfen5 ай бұрын
  • This is awesome and fun to watch, thanks for the hard work! I'll probably stick to around 250% myself to not compromise my run speed.

    @kevinjeong5525@kevinjeong55259 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! I’m glad you liked it. Yeah me too. Unless I become a rich guy with unlimited 7%mf scs and ists

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Great video. I think you should also add the time it took to complete the 100 runs. Considering the drop off in dps for more MF, the time taken would put this video into more perspective, and show the efficiency with each gear set used. If the 500mf build took 50% longer than the 250mf build, but only returned 10% more finds..then obviously not as efficient. But if it only took 10% more time for those 10% more finds, then its actually just as efficient, and worth it, if your JUST grinding loot. The change from 100MF to 250MF resulted in a 25% increase in finds. That's probably the sweet spot right there

    @Whyteeford@Whyteeford9 ай бұрын
    • Absolutely! I agree that this would have made it even more useful, and the plan was to do this in the beginning. The problem is that I couldn’t put together any decently “realistic” gear set ups with the items I had saved on my mules. With the gear I used in this video, the only decrease in speed I really noticed was with the 500% mf, because that’s when I had to start sacrificing skills and fcr for more mf. I could potentially redo this experiment sometime, and then put more time and effort into planning and acquiring more gear

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Great Job. Surprisingly the quality of the unique items has been sooo good at 500 mf 😮 Cool video and very helpful. Thx

    @gerrylee8304@gerrylee83049 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! Glad you liked it. Yeah the distribution of good items was pretty random!

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Thanks for this video, very insightful and a great resource!

    @wilsonthrushmarsh6163@wilsonthrushmarsh61639 ай бұрын
    • Thanks, I’m glad you find it useful

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Thank you for posting this!

    @thatsnotmyjesus@thatsnotmyjesus9 ай бұрын
    • My pleasure! 🫡

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • I wonder what is the absolute highest Magic Find. I'm seeing posts of over 1000 but would be cool to see what you come up with. Great videos! Really enjoying the effort.

    @stanosherkanor8416@stanosherkanor841613 күн бұрын
  • The drop rate is one of the things I hate most about D2R. I almost *never* find anything good, or if it's ok then it's not for my character's class. I've literally NEVER found a rune above Ko, and only saw that drop ONCE. I reached Travincal on Hell difficulty with my Fury druid but had to give up playing legit as the council were just unbeatable. They'd kill my merc, heal them themselves constantly and were so fast I couldn't kite them away from one another... absolutely impossible without the god gear I cheated to build using hacked save files. I now use Breath of the Dying and Chains of Honour, with a number of L20 paladin aura charms. The fact that the Worldstone Keep and Baal's minions were STILL a challenge for my hacked build proved to me that I never could have beaten the game legitimately, the amount of enemies and damage dealt was just insane. It took me, my merc and all my summons TEN MINUTES to hack through a physically immune Lister the Tormentor, and of course, I got diddly squat in loot from killing Baal. D2R's difficulty curve is analogous to the dating market as you age... it starts out easy and fun, you hold out for something good, then by the time you've been playing the game for hundreds of hours you realise it's fundamentally unwinnable and you either have to quit it or cheat, then quit anyway.

    @alexdenton9176@alexdenton91765 күн бұрын
  • Thank you. This helped me a lot.

    @dario9962@dario99629 ай бұрын
  • Nice data! Another data point I think would be useful is average clear speed for each of the three %. I know higher MF = slower clears, but I think putting numbers to it would be cool. BTW, RNGesus has been good to you my friend. Lotta good drops. My many Meph runs haven’t produced what you have.

    @Mechtroop@Mechtroop9 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! Yeah that would have been great info, but I didn’t have the gear to make good setups for each mf%. If I redo this experiment I’ll definitely plan the gear better to include that data.

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • higher MF only hurts you if you are doing greater than P1. For P1, just go what ever amount of MF you can stack, stuff will still die.. if you cant kill because you are missing some +1 to skill, you suck balls Its P1 for crying out loud.

      @xijinpig7978@xijinpig79786 ай бұрын
  • Good job mate 😊

    @EmielRegisRohellec@EmielRegisRohellec2 ай бұрын
  • Very interesting video, thank you.

    @yvesevrard2421@yvesevrard24218 ай бұрын
  • Im a hoarder, so finding even trash uniques is fun in single player. I end up with so many copies of runewords in weird worthless bases, because its what i needed at the time. I should also mention i play hardcore, so saving everything is also inherent in the playstyle, you never know when youre going to lose everything, so saving stuff that got you through the early game can really speed up releveling. The hardest part is managing all of the inventory, if diablo released a paid stash option like path of exile they would have trouble with all the money id be throwing at them. I have so many mules full of what would absolutely be considered garbage, but to me its the whole game. Kill stuff, stash loot. 😅

    @LeeCoins@LeeCoins9 ай бұрын
    • I think that definitely has merit in HC! I'm also hopeless in hoarding, especially low-mid level items that I will never use... I was so hyped for the shared stash system when Resurrected was revealed, but that quickly became way too little so now I have 10 level 1 barbarians filled with items too 😅 I agree 100% though, the loot is why I still play this game.

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • @zarfen I would recommend HC. While dying is a huge blow and definitely can hurt, it makes every encounter more meaningful and every decision more impactful. You even look at some of the items differently because it changes the dynamic and focus from power, to a blend of power and defense. Nothing quite like the feeling of finding an item that helps you improve your build, only to die a few runs later.

      @LeeCoins@LeeCoins9 ай бұрын
    • @@LeeCoins I'll probably dabble in HC at some point. Right now while I've been focusing on the loot videos, it doesn't make much sense to me, but if I do more of a playthrough or challenge video, I would probably do HC. Or just for "fun" while not recording. I see the appeal for sure :)

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen just make sure you compile all of your death reactions into a video. Those are great. Maybe do a dank loot death video. Give em some highs and then give em some lows. Comedy gold mine somewhere in there.

      @LeeCoins@LeeCoins9 ай бұрын
    • @@LeeCoins haha I’ll definitely do that!

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Do you mind doing a video on these MF numbers doing full clears of durance/mephisto? Chests, Breakables, Council, etc?

    @Ohmjones@Ohmjones9 ай бұрын
  • Nice Video Buddy...thx for sharing

    @moezgueven@moezgueven9 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! I’m glad you liked it

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • This is the best science I’ve seen done since 2019…

    @Theotherlostprimarch@Theotherlostprimarch7 ай бұрын
  • I feel confortable sir. Cuz you talk so understandable. Thank you for your comparing run. 🎉

    @tuvsanaabatmunkh@tuvsanaabatmunkh6 ай бұрын
  • Great video as always! Is there any characters that can run farming like this other than sorceress? Seems like only sorc the best.

    @Cra3ier@Cra3ier4 ай бұрын
    • It’s hard to compete with teleport so unless you have enigma the others struggle to keep up. But in single player with static maps, or for areas with less randomness in the map generation (CS, trav etc.) I think teleport is not as important if you really prefer other classes. I sometimes MF with sub-optimal characters because it’s fun.

      @zarfen@zarfen4 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfenThanks for your quick reply! You're awesome!

      @Cra3ier@Cra3ier4 ай бұрын
  • NIce comparison! 300mf feels like the sweetspot!

    @Ice0slayer@Ice0slayer9 ай бұрын
  • I'm just starting my more serious search for a Stormshield with single player hardcord barbarian, so seeing 2 drop was hearthwarming :)

    @Gladiatorat@Gladiatorat2 ай бұрын
  • i've always aimed for 300-400 so maybe i'm aiming a little high is what i learned from watch you. as to finding items you have multiples of, some of them are still welcome additions, because most characters can use them.

    @Iggybart05@Iggybart058 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, but once you have decent gear a sorceress can to get to 3-400 almost without trying it you got 3 piece tals so it for sure depends on your char/build/gear. But maybe I won’t feel “stressed” the next time my javazon only reaches 200 MF

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
  • Great video! What players count did you kill Meph on please?

    @kyleclinton-parker3369@kyleclinton-parker3369Ай бұрын
    • Thanks! Default/Players 1 for all runs in the video

      @zarfen@zarfenАй бұрын
  • Thank you for the content. I have a question. Is there any influence on the magic find from the Merc? If he gets the final blow does his magic find count over your? How does this work? Thank you!

    @jatorbalocke2437@jatorbalocke24377 ай бұрын
    • Yes! If the merc gets the final blow, his AND your magic find added together is counted for the drop. But if you get the final blow the mercs MF does nothing for the drop.

      @zarfen@zarfen7 ай бұрын
  • Excelent analysis

    @Infinity_NFK@Infinity_NFK6 ай бұрын
    • Thank you, glad you found it useful!

      @zarfen@zarfen6 ай бұрын
  • 2:28: Mizan "Potion, please?" lol

    @ThatOneWarrior@ThatOneWarriorАй бұрын
  • thank you for answering my childhood question

    @gertrudeb5045@gertrudeb50452 ай бұрын
  • I just now noticed you skipped a Spirit Shroud. Really good starter armor. Especially given to twink nova sorcs imho.

    @daddymasamune5485@daddymasamune5485Ай бұрын
  • As someone who played original d2 back in the day as a literal child (like deadass i pkayed that game since i was 4 it was one the first games i ever played) its cool to see that theres actually ppl who make modern day videos abt d2 thanks to the remaster (which i just bought today bc i havent owned d2 in many years unfortunately) ive got one of each class up into mid act 2 now bc i play very erratic and cant play the same character for long lol

    @surr3ald3sign@surr3ald3sign4 ай бұрын
    • Diablo 2 is truly timeless. But I must say I’m grateful for the remaster. The graphics are really a lot more pleasing!

      @zarfen@zarfen4 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen ong, og graphics hurt my eyes tho imo the new graphics are a bit soft for my taste id like it if they darkened it back up just a little bit to reflect the games vibes like it used to

      @surr3ald3sign@surr3ald3sign4 ай бұрын
  • Ive been playing single player for over a year. Ive found just about everything including Stone of Jordan, Tyreals might, Griffons and a Zod rune. Ive found numerous spiderwebs. I havent however found a Shako (that wasnt etheral), a Hoz, maras or highlords.

    @giovannicatamo6348@giovannicatamo63486 ай бұрын
    • Not finding shako or highlords but all that other stuff is CRAZY 🤯 D2 rng is truly rng

      @zarfen@zarfen6 ай бұрын
  • great video. i love this game. if they accept and make it like pd2 with corruptions definitely it will be best game.coruptions are so great. gives totally new to the game

    @ivanpetrov-bg1zl@ivanpetrov-bg1zl8 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! 🙂 I have played pd2 for a season some years ago and I agree that the corruption mechanic adds a lot to the magic find end game.

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen also more variations on builds,more socets,splash dmg .

      @ivanpetrov-bg1zl@ivanpetrov-bg1zl8 ай бұрын
  • Very good thanks

    @reneangler@reneangler6 ай бұрын
    • Glad you liked it!

      @zarfen@zarfen6 ай бұрын
  • Thanks

    @HYEOL@HYEOL6 ай бұрын
  • When are we going to see that Uber run using all the keys you collected? Also, another commenter mentioned in a previous video that the true best MF/rune spot is a room of unique skeletons on the way to Nilathak or something? Would love to see if he was right by testing 1000 runs there.

    @jake9705@jake97058 ай бұрын
    • Sorry to disappoint you but I did the Uber runs with those keys already, and it was a big mess and I didn’t like the way it played out so I scrapped the recording and never made a video out of it. I want to make a “torch from scratch”-video though so hopefully in the future. The only comment that comes to mind was a guy who did pindle runs and then ran all the way to Nihlatak, killing my all monsters on the way and finding some good runes. I am not a big fan of the halls so it’s not something I’m looking to do at the moment. More 1000 run vids on the way though. Thanks for the input 🙂

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
  • after hiting 200% focus on faster clears and survivability but you can still stack those 7mf small charms

    @kenrix6296@kenrix62969 ай бұрын
  • On Ribcracker, does the 100% enhanced defense mean it doubles the Ribcracker's defense to 200? Or does it double your entire character's defense?

    @NeoN-PeoN@NeoN-PeoN5 ай бұрын
    • it doubles the characters defense but it's a pretty worthless item unless you find it ethereal. and then it's only really useful on shifter druids cause they can zod it and up it to a stalagmite which will reduce the weapon speed but increase damage. this drawback is somewhat compensated by the form. in this rare build and case it's a bloody good item really but as said it needs to be ethereal.

      @Dunkelelf3@Dunkelelf35 ай бұрын
  • Lmao first drop was chance guards they were like please for the love of god get some magic find 😂

    @cconti2600@cconti2600Ай бұрын
  • Very nice video... it is never worth it to sacrifice kill speed for more MF. Especially because MF only affects if the given base rolls magic/rare/set/unique. It does not affect what kind of base drops or rune drops. That's why doing more kills over given time is always more beneficial.

    @jeffsaffron5647@jeffsaffron56479 ай бұрын
    • Thank you! Yes exactly. If you want to find a Griffon’s (like I do…), you have to find a lot of diadems and that requires a lot of drops. part of why I did this test was to convince myself to not sacrifice too much speed for high mf😅

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • Yea for that its probably best to just have Horker Barb and spam Pindleskin or Thresh Socket. Both being at about 1 : 25000 with ~350 MF. It can be done with budget gear with little issues.

      @jeffsaffron5647@jeffsaffron56479 ай бұрын
  • if your merc gets the kill , its basically +25% magic find from Insight some of tose runs are +25% with 100% is sometimes 125% etc

    @choupetto85@choupetto854 ай бұрын
  • am curious what is the return in item quality vs magic find from these runs. quantity is nice but quality is better !

    @jcleduc3009@jcleduc3009Ай бұрын
    • Magic find does not influence what kind of items that drop, only makes them more likely to be magic, rare, set, and unique.

      @zarfen@zarfenАй бұрын
  • When I find rare uniques that are great like shanks on sp, I compare it with the others I have and then keep the better roll. Once I have 3 perfects I pick up, Id and drop it.

    @TheZachatree@TheZachatree5 ай бұрын
    • That's reasonable. Even 3 is more than you should really ever need in SP. Though it is nice to not have to "look" for your shakos on you other characters when you need them :)

      @zarfen@zarfen5 ай бұрын
  • How long did each different setup take to do the 100 runs?

    @bareinhard1979@bareinhard19799 ай бұрын
    • I didn’t take note of that unfortunately. It would have been good info, but my setups were so random that I didn’t think it would have been too useful.

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • It's hard to put away your mf gear for faster clear speed. But faster clear speed leads to more find numbers faster in the long run. I think ~ %200 is easy to wear for a casual player and good enough unless you're trying to minmax your gear.

    @razetw@razetw9 ай бұрын
    • Part of why I wanted to make this vid/test was just to convince myself to not chase higher and higher mf% too hard at the cost of speed

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • It'd be interesting to take these same builds now, and compare their performance in different player counts. Would be pretty simple to do in SP.

    @NeesyPlaysGuitar@NeesyPlaysGuitar8 ай бұрын
    • I probably wouldn’t do all of them, but a players 1 vs players 8 video is on my to do list :)

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen for that you should consider that if you are not in a real players 8 party that there is really no difference between p7 and p8. also is having 7 players idle in town but farming alone (which IS playing p8) the same as farming with 4 buddies that are near you. also do bosses like meph have a rather small chance of no drops (which is the whole point of running higher player counts - reducing the no drop chance). the more players in a game the lower the chance to drop nothing on a kill. but that only affects white monsters and some bosses but less so. uniques, superuniques and champs have a 0% chance to drop nothing anyways. that's why there isn't really much point in running anything but p1 for stuff like pindle because champs will ALWAYS drop 2 pots and an item that is either magic or higher OR a larger sum of gold and uniques will ALWAYS drop 4 pots and an item magic or higher. superuniques will always drop 2 items and i forgot if 4 or 5 pots. so if you target boss groups in pits or something p1 is the way to go. if you run bosses it depends on the boss but p3 is mostly the best. if you run and kill everything like in cows p8 makes sense for real people farm groups. if you are farming solo then as said p7 and p8 are identical in terms of drops but p8 gives a little more exp. the chance of no drops only changes on odd numbers so p1+2 are the same chance, p3+4 are the same, etc. for bosses on p7+ you will always get andy or duriel drops p5+ you will always get meph, dia or baal drops. but as said between p3 and p5 the difference in drops is only marginal.

      @Dunkelelf3@Dunkelelf35 ай бұрын
  • just a note that this also semi proves is 0mf = more runes. most the 0mf run that got a good drop also had runes no mf runs had rune drops (from what we saw)

    @skipperides6191@skipperides6191Ай бұрын
    • This is not true. If a rune drops or not is decided before mf is taken into account.

      @zarfen@zarfenАй бұрын
  • Would be cool to see how long the runs took (on average) as a result of decreasing kill power too.

    @WooliteMammoth@WooliteMammoth9 ай бұрын
    • That was the plan at first, but I didn’t have the gear to make it “realistic”. For example, 0%mf setup had lower damage than the 100%mf setup because I don’t have a good sorc weapon without mf like deaths fathom or Hoto. But I agree it would have added good info to the tests!

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen fair, but even a spirit and FCR rings would've been better than suicide branch lol

      @WooliteMammoth@WooliteMammoth9 ай бұрын
    • @WooliteMammoth haha yeah, I could have done much better with some more planning. I wasn’t even wearing any rings for the first 100 runs 😁

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • What is striking is that it seems to improve the Unique find more than the sets after 100% - but this could be just a consequence of a smaller sample of 100 runs?

    @64jcl@64jcl2 ай бұрын
    • Not sure! But one thing that struck me is how many more uniques than sets there are, so even if sets are a “more common” roll, a lot of items simply can’t roll as sets so I ended up finding fewer than I thought I would before doing the runs.

      @zarfen@zarfenАй бұрын
  • Does this apply to online game as well? sisnce you mentioned that it was SP what you were doing... let me know plz :)

    @arthuralfaro9886@arthuralfaro98867 ай бұрын
    • Yes! I did not change the player setting or anything, so it’s the same as if you would do solo games online

      @zarfen@zarfen7 ай бұрын
  • Did you use to upload on another channel called nttn? You two sound eerily similar

    @kingarter@kingarter8 ай бұрын
    • Nope, this is my first channel. I have watched the channel you’re talking about though and he’s also swedish so I guess it’s the accent

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
  • folks, what program is there for counting the runs?

    @RPDBY@RPDBY6 ай бұрын
    • I use the one that @sweetphil shows n this video: kzhead.info/sun/d62ip9empXiKqKs/bejne.htmlsi=btMcrkg4fc_595F1 Includes where to get and how to install/use. Mine looks a bit different due to how I chose to screen record it.

      @zarfen@zarfen6 ай бұрын
  • gave you a like to keep mephisto happy :D

    @hugom6441@hugom64419 ай бұрын
    • Mephisto thanks you for your offering! 😁

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Farming Inside Mephisto's $49 Million Mansion

    @HomemadePyroQuebec@HomemadePyroQuebecАй бұрын
  • "no good set amulets" angelic rings, amulet, and body armour is fucking amazing for levelling new toons.

    @JamesMichaelDoyle@JamesMichaelDoyle6 ай бұрын
    • Ok I agree. I was thinking mostly about end game when I made that comment so imo it’s not an exciting drop to find. But it sure is a good set, I use Angelic’s all the time. On melee characters the ring+amu combo is good to wear through the entire game

      @zarfen@zarfen6 ай бұрын
  • What players number was this? Or was it online?

    @sebastianandra7458@sebastianandra74588 ай бұрын
    • It was offline but all done on players 1

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
  • Are we watching old videos played live?

    @samperalez4108@samperalez41089 ай бұрын
    • Hey Sam! No it’s a brand new video. I’m trying out the “premiere” feature on KZhead, which means that the first time the video goes live, there’s a live chat the first time it’s shown. So it kinda looks like a livestream

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Does MF affect the quality of drops? Not the rng rolls, but like are unique drops more likely to be rarer uniques with more MF? Or does it just affect amount of drops being uniques

    @Sauspreme@Sauspreme9 күн бұрын
    • No, just increases the chance that the items that drop are unique

      @zarfen@zarfen9 күн бұрын
    • @@zarfen interesting! good to know! Great channel/videos BTW

      @Sauspreme@Sauspreme9 күн бұрын
  • You found more with 0 MF in 100 runs then I find with 300 MF in 300 runs 😂

    @PSXMicha@PSXMichaАй бұрын
  • Mephisto Mephisto! lets go! :D

    @TopSecretGG@TopSecretGG9 ай бұрын
    • Haha OG 😎 Thanks buddy!

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Looks like char lvl depends too on how much mf need. Atm lvl95 and 420 is great for a high uniq item drops there. What u think about it?

    @laszlomajor6443@laszlomajor64436 ай бұрын
  • I like to find rares and magic items and avoid unique/set. Wondering how many rare/magic you found but you probably didn't record those results?

    @nickm3861@nickm38614 ай бұрын
    • I didin’t, but when I put together the data sheet at the end I knew I should have done it!

      @zarfen@zarfen4 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen haha, next time you'll remember. There is always some nerd wants more stats.

      @nickm3861@nickm38614 ай бұрын
  • Higher MF% definitely have not diminishing return. At least from video I've got impression that with higher MF% also higher quality of drop. Mean on 0% dropped only t1 items. On +100% MF ocasionly dropped t2 items and on +500% MF t1 items almost wiped from drop. T1 mean hat, t2 war hat and t3 shako for example. Mean base item. Forgot how it called properly.

    @MikhaelHausgeist@MikhaelHausgeist5 ай бұрын
  • what player count are you on for each set of runs?

    @donaldschnitger9768@donaldschnitger97689 ай бұрын
    • I did players 1 for all runs so it’s applicable to online too

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • I have more shakos them chars. Yeah, I don't pick them anymore. Actually, I don't even use this item lol (barb is Arreats, paly is dream, Zon is griffon, druid is+5nado and necro is a rare circlet)

    @yanliechocki@yanliechocki9 ай бұрын
    • Yeah I guess a lot of characters eventually graduate from their shako a to better items, too! Don’t you even pick them up just to check the defense?

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • The graph does look very much like the one you can find for Effective MF, meaning the more MF you have the less overall drops are affected, but also the more uniques you get proportionate to set items. But yeah, more than 300 MF usually weakens the build and is not that productive.

    @Arrjik@Arrjik9 ай бұрын
    • Yes, and my expectation for the experiment was that the results should look like that graph, but part of why I did this was just to confirm it for myself.

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Afaik, the magic find only influences the items rarity, not the amount of items. Let's assume a mob will always drop 5 items. Your MF only determines what rarity those 5 will drop.

    @Mp57navy@Mp57navy27 күн бұрын
    • Yes, that is correct!

      @zarfen@zarfen27 күн бұрын
  • 91 sorc 360mf still haven't found shako. I also have 75 summon Necro 120mf. No shako. 84 lvl smiter 20mf no shako too. Farming mephisto and occasionally terror zones with the sorc.

    @hristogeorgiev3453@hristogeorgiev34536 ай бұрын
  • I think you should have done a line chart instead of a column chart. If you had, you would have produced the typical diminishing returns graph, similar to the natural log function, f(x) = In(x). This would have, imo, brought the idea a visual of the mf issue that increases in mf leads to a less than proportional increase in loot. MF only means a lot past 250 - 350% for blue drops. I believe it was calculated by a statistician that 350% is the sweet spot, min/max.

    @jrodrichard@jrodrichard9 ай бұрын
    • The reason I went with this instead of lines was to show the distribution between set and uniques. The “diminishing returns” graph that circulates online looks good as a line chart though, and clearly tells this story. So I get what you mean.

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • was this done on p1?

    @leleyum@leleyum9 ай бұрын
    • Yes, all runs were p1

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • Bro I started my ssf profile in January. So far I’ve found 9 shakos, I can’t believe I’m saying this but I don’t want anymore. I’ve been grinding to find that unique diadem though 😅

    @Beastboy072@Beastboy0729 ай бұрын
    • Haha yeah that’s more than enough for your characters, their mercs, AND their mules 😜 I still kind of like the thrill of seeing if it’s a perfect 141 def though. Let’s see who finds the elusive diadem first! 😈

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen I've found around 14 shakos on my grail so far and I have 2 140 defense ones it hurts so much that both rolled 140 and not 141

      @Dragoon-tie@Dragoon-tie9 ай бұрын
    • @@Dragoon-tie Damn, so close! I have 1 140 def so far, no 141...

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • I actually would like to know your rune drops in these runes. I want to know for sure that MF does not affect rune drops.

    @dhong168@dhong1689 ай бұрын
    • Hehe I didn’t take note of that but it was very few.

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • We already know for sure it doesn't.

      @WooliteMammoth@WooliteMammoth9 ай бұрын
  • I had sorss with 720 MF. Verry good res. She can help you till act4 hell. Drops are luck. And luck is just play again and again this game.

    @tonaka86@tonaka869 ай бұрын
  • Never compromise your speed and killing ability for MF. It's more fun to move around quickly and kill stuff fast than to dedicate time to killing one monster over and over. Also, you get more chances are Runes popping from more kills.

    @shawmeck9323@shawmeck93239 ай бұрын
    • I think it’s fun to find and identify items, so I would say it depends on how you like to play the game 🙂

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • If my calculations are right, there are a few mf points you may safe for other stats, but in general it doesn´t make much sense to max out magic find or waste to much time into calculations, if you just want to have fun. If you would like to go all in - it would be important to find the best mathematician around who would just write down your findings and starting to do crazy calculations on runspeed & turnover. Every time you basically change one single item of your equipment your performance is influenced. So, if you want to MF start with the angelic set, Tal Rashas, but try never lose too much damage output.

    @chacky4krsma@chacky4krsma5 ай бұрын
  • From my experience without counting anything above 200% MF does very little so I try to keep it around there.

    @nadantagaming2276@nadantagaming22763 ай бұрын
  • I did two mephisto runs just now on POD cuz was testing ice blast/freezing pulse ttk. I got 3 sets (tal rashas crest, angelic mantle, sazabi's mental sheath), and 1 viperfork. 284% mf btw

    @noahblaine1901@noahblaine19012 ай бұрын
  • Speed runs with high damage and 0% mf is the best thing, but you need to be on high density areas

    @rodrigofreitas1316@rodrigofreitas131618 күн бұрын
  • the question is, does MF only increase the quantity of unique and set items found, or also the rarity?

    @mrquickey3731@mrquickey37316 ай бұрын
    • The only thing MF does is to make more of the items that drop be magic, rare, set, and unique.

      @zarfen@zarfen6 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen I mean, considering the actual rarity of the items you showcased in this video, it could be true. With the most MF you've gotten the rarest item

      @mrquickey3731@mrquickey37316 ай бұрын
  • What difficulty level?

    @ScottHoward2022@ScottHoward20229 ай бұрын
    • Hell difficulty 🙂

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • 250% mf does seem to be a sweet-spot

    @miothan@miothan25 күн бұрын
  • A little OT, but watching this video and feeling like "wow, that's interesting loot" or "uh, that MF-stuff is something I could optimize" is a feeling that I never had in D4. Lack of interesting items/systems....

    @Zaphitos@Zaphitos5 ай бұрын
    • This is EXACTLY my problem with itemization/gear in Diablo 3/4. There's just 1 thing to optimize for (character power/clear speed) which makes gearing much less interesting. Balancing MF vs clear speed adds "difficult" decisions to make, and people still discuss MF vs clear speed after all these years.

      @zarfen@zarfen5 ай бұрын
  • Wouldn't a more accurate way to test this, be to do x amount of time instead of x amount of runs? That way you could determine how much MF you would sacrifice for kill speed and vice versa. EDIT: Oh, someone already pointed that out..

    @rasmuskjaerpoulsen@rasmuskjaerpoulsen6 ай бұрын
  • 300-350 MF is sweet spot for many years experinece.

    @mustafayasin16@mustafayasin168 ай бұрын
  • its probably most efficient to run between 100%and 250% magic find

    @Jarheads4Yeshua@Jarheads4Yeshua6 ай бұрын
    • It depends so much on what gear you have to choose from but I think around 250 is a good and relatively easy target for most characters

      @zarfen@zarfen6 ай бұрын
  • It's always a f'n Manald or Nagel ffs out of 20 unique rings I might get 1 different if that 1 of 20 is lucky lol

    @tiredeals5020@tiredeals50209 ай бұрын
    • Haha, ain’t that the truth!! I’ve been getting tons of dwarf stars lately, in similar fashion

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
  • nice excel at the back lol

    @drleefood8485@drleefood84855 ай бұрын
    • I love comparing numbers in excel😁

      @zarfen@zarfen5 ай бұрын
    • @@zarfen nice haha

      @drleefood8485@drleefood84855 ай бұрын
  • I roll around with 175 mf and it seems to be decent with the drops

    @1800BusterCheeks@1800BusterCheeks9 ай бұрын
  • player count?

    @devenl01@devenl016 ай бұрын
    • Players 1 for all runs in the video

      @zarfen@zarfen6 ай бұрын
  • Sounds weird but running meph in single player means you can use a frenzy barb to run it and switch to double Gull dagger at 1% hp which is free 200% mf. Its probably the easiest and cheapest way to mf farm because a budget sorc kills meph slower and since you can reset maps teleport is less op in general

    @shakeweller@shakeweller8 ай бұрын
    • I can totally see that and I’ve been wanting to do “gearing up a melee barb” video running mephisto only.

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
    • will be a pain without lawbringer, but good luck friend :)@@zarfen

      @shakeweller@shakeweller8 ай бұрын
    • @shakeweller I’ll do some testing beforehand but I would be starting the project with some low-mid runewords and other easy-to-get gear. I’ll keep it as budget as possible, but if it’s too painful without a lawbringer I’ll use a lawbringer 🙂

      @zarfen@zarfen8 ай бұрын
  • Some guy was telling Me having no magic find is better for uniques. He thinks that with high MF You get alot of Rares instead of uniques. He has played sinced Diablo 1 and still thinks this... I'm pretty sure it works more so like You just get all items other than normal non-magical items with higher MF, and with much higher MF You get alot more of them.

    @cIeetz@cIeetz9 ай бұрын
    • You are correct. Your friend kind of has a point in that the proportion of rares to uniques changes with higher mf so that you might find more rares(and magical items) for every unique you find (on average). But you don’t find more rares INSTEAD of uniques, it’s like you say: you find more rares AND uniques instead of “white” items

      @zarfen@zarfen9 ай бұрын
    • The game 'rolls' for item quality (base/magic/rare/set/unique after the item is established, with mf % affecting the quality. So at some stage if you keep increasing the mf% you will see less and less white/blue items and more set/rare/unique. I use zero mf which ensures all rare items drop from diablo and no set/uniques (first kill). Maybe this was what that guy meant rather than uniques?

      @nickm3861@nickm38614 ай бұрын
  • I'm surprised you didn't just hack in 3 charms to give you the magic find you need err assuming your in single player

    @Forsparda@Forsparda5 ай бұрын
  • Back when i played i got a lot of flak for only running 130ish magic find, which came from enigma and gheeds fortune. I was playing mostly a lightning sorceress, farming in WSK, The Pit and sometimes Diablo or cows. Always killing Shenk + the guy above him, and Pindelskin. Often clearing Travi too but ignoring the lightning immune rares if there were any. My gear setup: Hoto, + spirit monarch, 2 sojs, arach, enigma, maras, TO gloves, Griffons eye, and CTA in weapon switch. Merc with Infinity, + random helm and chest, whatever i could get my hands on. Most often stone chest. For boots, rare boots with fire res, run walk as you need the fire res to get capped resistances on hell with torch and anni. My best finds in the game are: 20/17 SC, bone skiller with 45 life, Coa with 2 sockets, eth tomb reaver with 3 sockets, perfect griffons (20/15). 19life 5allres sc, 5allres 7mf sc,

    @daniellassander@daniellassander2 ай бұрын
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