Joe Rogan & Firas Zahabi Debate Scientific Truth
2018 ж. 18 Мау.
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Joe Rogan and Firas Zahabi have a discussion about scientific truth and philosophy.
Joe Rogan and Firas Zahabi have a discussion about scientific truth and philosophy.
Eddie bravo looked into gremlins after this.
This is gold
Underrated comment
Smh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I just spit out my white claw 😂
Science is a method that helps us understand the world. It does not claim absolute truth about anything.
The word Science is derived from scientia in Latin meaning knowledge. You can put the goal post down now.
Javascript Kiddie what did those idiots know? Theres a reason why that language is virtually extinct. Take any modern science class and the first thing you’re taught is scientific method and basis of hypotheses
The average person, takes it as absolute truth nowadays, unfortuantely.
@@lxuaes6915 bruh if there was ever anything to blindly follow in this world. Science is the best. Lol niw certain religions, another story.
@@hunterzolomon1303 What about intuition? You shouldn't follow anything blindly and be people love to pit science and spirituality at odds. Einstein was a deeply spiritual person.There's a difference between spirituality and dogma.
This guy is a great debater. He's constantly telling Joe how awesome the things he says are to keep it from turning bad and keeping the debate from turning into an argument. Great way to get the other side to listen.
yeah i noticed that he was trying to get joe to listen and not let it become an ego battle
yes I agree and when Joe is getting a bit close to the bone I've noticed that Firaz immediately jumps train and starts a new conversation. He does this to save little Joe embarrassment and fatiguing the conversation@@fullsendit292
Yeah I noticed he kept convincing the person he was talking to... about how solid his idea is while avoiding solid evidence in a clear decisive response.
Its a basic sales/manipulation tactic and a huge red flag to anyone who knows to look for it.
@@jamesbaker3153is it really a red flag if the person is trying to keep the argument from turning hostile and bad? Would love to hear your thoughts brother
I don’t know if I have ever watched or listened to anything else that has opened my mind so much, I come back and watch it every now and then and it still blows my mind
He’s very wrong about randomness
Enlighten us, Mr. Expert.@eduardofernandez9173
@@eduardofernandez9173 what is randomness then?
The guy is well known for making philosophy simple .
@@eduardofernandez9173 How?
“Randomness is a reflection of ignorance” is the best quote I have ever heard
Help me understand it?
Genuinely curious...
@@MohammadImran-kv8ek I ended up listening to the podcast, Firas did a brilliant job explaining it...
@@wasimoooo Then you haven't read Nassim Taleb, the quote above is a complete nonsense!
Not even an oxymoron, just an utter drivel!
Shout out to the gremlins holding us down. Your the real mvps!
Man, what??? I’m sure glad their holding it down.
dude like if i kill my gremlin i can fly woah
I liked this analogy. This is what globalist are covering. I’m on it, I looked in to it.
That's bullshit all my Gremlin ever did was sleep all day and drink all night. Not a lot of time left over for intellectual pursuits.
loool..
Firas is the best guest ever! This guy is a fricken genius. I watched this a 100 times. Love it!
me too
@@danielmpour3021me too read Imam Ghazali
me too man
“Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past”
25:00
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
What a bar
It's because science isn't afraid of improving and updating itself.
Is just bs. That's what this guy said science is, trying to save face after slipping up, saying there's a lot of woo in modern science😂
I think what Firas is trying to say is what Einstein was quoted to have said: "We must remember that we do not observe nature as it actually exists, but nature exposed to our methods of perception"
We don't see things the way they are. We see things the way we are.
You two rounded it up beautifully
einstein actually valued philosophy, its sad when people like bill nye call it a waste of time
@@PabloSensei the problem with philosophy is that it doesn’t solve problems.
@@thebeast5215 the problem with common sense is that it's not common
Joe and Firas are having totally different discussions. Joe judged Firas as a science denier, while Firas is discussing the nature of human observation
that's actually what was happening lol
Yeah lol. I realized it immediately. I didn't see him understanding really until halfway through, even still challanging a very simple concept over and over and over. Lol.
@@tylerblair7416 im pretty sure he understood what he was getting at he was just challenging thought to get more out the podcast
@@joeythakyd possibly. I think he definitely understood mostly. But when he kept saying what do you mean by woo. I just don't understand what you mean when you're saying science is woo, over and over lol.
For sure, I thought it was funny for Joe to keep coming to the defense of science, like somehow Firas was denying science.
Best interview I’ve heard on JR. This guy is so interesting. Can’t believe I’ve never heard of him.
Probably because he’s famous for being an MMA coach. He’s one of the best in the world who trained George st Pierre, one of the best fighters there’s ever been
To sum this up, "The more knowledge we seek the more we realize we are ignorant"
Like he said, we dont know shit
Joe "that to me is a hard sell" Firas "yeah, most people can't wrap their minds around it" Subtle burn
Nice profile pic
@@youssef5263 he used mine
Joe wasn’t buying his mumble jumble
Firas Zahabi is just trying to win... Observe it when he keeps on telling joe very proudly how what he's trying to explain is not easy... this is what alot of philosophers suffer from.. is they're trying to win.. they're searching for that ultimate superiority over people.. i have that.. its a horrible curse.. Joe was never even in disagreement, they were just in a huge 1 hour long miscommunication.
@@mrmasrawy92 Joe wasnt disagreeing cus he couldn't. I dont think he even understood what firas was saying. I get how you could see that firas was trying to win an argument, but its frustrating when someone denies what you're saying because they dont understand.
For those who are interested: two famous Islamic theologians mentioned by Feras in the show 1- Al-Ghazāli ( Died 1111 C.E.) 2- Ibn Taymiyyah ( Died 1328 C.E.)
Oh, these clowns yet again.
@@fragileomniscience7647 Wise people read. Unwise ones dismiss.
@@fragileomniscience7647 they are not dawkins or hitchens
@@fragileomniscience7647 firas zahabi studied Islamic philosophy and science. He is a devout Muslim.
@@PabloSensei Dawkins and hitches are not very smart.
This is hands-down, the best hour in the JRE podcast ever recorded.
I can see tears of Atheists for who their new religion is Science still crying in comment section due to a guy with very small knowledge of philosophy debunked their whole fake belief in science🤣
The top 20-30 comments are people (mostly non atheists) that loved this very educational podcast/debate about the Philosophy of science and science while the new comments are full of unedcated, angry atheists calling Firas's explanations BS and talking nonsense about religions showing that they never watched this podcast LOL My guess is that this is too advanced for them even though Firas broke it down so any laymen can understand this. These people are so uneducated yet they try to act as if they are the people of science. So sad. PS. I came here from Twitter after seeing a Tweet saying exactly what you said
Sorry man, but your god will never be real, but your prophet will always be a kiddy diddler.
His point was that he wanted coffee but Joe never offered him any.
He really does seem to want his coffee. I bet Joe drinks some great beans.
hahaha
Lol 😂
LOL
lol love you for that one
The most impressive thing about Firas isn't the depth of his knowledge regarding philosophy, it's how clearly and concisely he's able to transmit those ideas to a layman. It's not hard to see why he's one of the great sports coaches of recent times.
@Taimoor Khan To your ignoramus mind yes. To others who can understand or try to understand philosophical arguments. he's a genius.
@Taimoor Khan lmao your an idiot Taimoor
Taimoor Khan lmao 😂. @Mohammed Glal never respond to people like this. You cant fix stupid.
@Taimoor Khan lmao man said read some quotes he has a degree in philosphy
Very true, i noticed this as well because i have trouble bringing my ideas to other people.
this was (for me) top 3 conversations of JRE of all time.
This guy is a genius. I be listening to his podcast on his channel for hours.
Believe it or not this conversation actually helped me in my philosophy class... especially my report on Hume. thanks firas
Joe hurts my brain by how stupid he is
Well firas studied philosophy so i believe it
Nice
Joe man, when are you gonna have this guy back
When the bald guy realizes he can handle the convo without the woo woo. The “woo” was preventing his comprehension of the points and their depth. It was in his head all this time and he kept asking where is it?
@Iahi Ghusak that is not true, science at a philosophical level is different from what a person thinks of in a daily conversation.
abdul malik November
@@terrybyrd5951 thanks bro
@Jacob Carlson You and @Ghost are being pedantic. I'm an Engineer. If I went as crazy as you every time someone described some concept slightly incorrectly I'd have a stroke by now. Learn to let things go.
My head was hurting just to keep up with the conversation. Zahabi is one sharp guy.
Sharp? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 dude is crazy
@@pnut3844able his not crazy his part of the intellectual elite of our generation if you want to learn anything in life you go to the best so humble your self and pick someone who can explain the world to you.
Dude this is by far my favorite episode ever. I have come to most of these conclusions on my own but I can never seem to find adequate words to explain to people. Mostly when I talk metaphysics I just get frustrated and give who ever my mantra... " I am you you are me we are all that is has been and ever will be. " To me that is the one fundamental truth, the law of one we are all the same energy just in different states.
Meh.....
Please bring back Firas along with another guest who has studied philosophy and let them just give us the best podcast ever!!!
Jordan peterson
@@raymo189 that would be Amazing!
@@raymo189 hahahhah no
@@raymo189ikes! Peterson doesn't understand philosophy. He doesn't understand anything other than psychology. Maybe he's a good clinician too. That's about it. He's a good orator who has Prof in front of his name and spoke out about something that many people believe but no one represents their view in the mainstream discourse, which JP did, this won over a big audience.
That would be one guest that understands philosophy
One of the best conversations I’ve ever listened to. Every once in a while I come back and listen to it again
ME TO
Same
Yeeee I’m on my 4th or 5th listen
Same
Sameeee
I watched this many times to fully grasp what he saying. This is one of the smartest humans I’ve listened too. I literally felt a gap open in my head 👏🏾
It sounds smart when he is explaining it to a dumb person. It makes absolute sense that there is no scientific FACT, just hypothesis based on historical events.
@@manbiteslife3110yeah smart things make sense. Are you saying it’s not smart because it makes sense?
@@man7143No , I'm saying that people with mediocre intelligence will find smart things, extremely intellectual when they are basic concepts lmao
@@manbiteslife3110 y'all are conflating fact with probability. Science itself says there are no absolutes, but that gravity, for example, is 99.999999% probable.
What an amazingly fascinating conversation. I have never paid attention so much before great stuff Joe:)
What Firas is talking about is about the philosophy of science (eg Hume). He is saying that the current scientific "facts" hinge on the next big scientific discovery; so in the grand scheme of things, we do not really know anything.
Well I think scientists admit that they cannot land on absolute 100% truth
@@-Ahmed8592 ya broo
He is ridiculous and makes sense all at once
True enough.
bruh this guy is just screaming out terms and scientific and philosophical jargen that he can't explain and doesn't understand. It's just nonsense.
I must admit I did not expect a discussion like this to occur between an MMA coach and commentator.
Firas Zahabi the genius
Joe is throwing good questions. Tough fight.
Joe isn’t the racist thug that some woke people make him out to be.
It blew my fucking world hahahaha Those philosophical explanations are insane...
Why? Bc they don’t have the labels of authority? Silly
When he mentioned Imam Ghazali he had my full attention.
One of the best hour convos Iv heard.
Firas was on point, I completely understood his thought process
Right. Joe was struggling. It was frustrating.
@@KatameWazaBushi You got some unresolved tensions with Muslims you wanna get off your chest bro? We both understood his thought process. You can understand what someone is trying to communicate to you and still have a differing opinion. It's funny because that's exactly what's going on in this comment thread right now. I understood what both of them were saying, and while you may or may not understand physics, you're clearly missing the larger philosophical discussion being had here. Here's a big one: being able to understand or entertain ideas without subscribing to them. Why are you targeting me anyway? I made the most passive comment in this entire comment section. You flex though bro, if it makes you feel better.
@@KatameWazaBushi no worries. Tbh I don't know why I took it so harshly lmaooo. Normally I don't. Mood tho 😂
@Taimoor Khan See above video.
Do you want a trophy or something?
Not many people know that Firas has been studying philosophy for over 20 years.
@@lancevance6346 I haven't defended you?
@@1slamExplained You know whom I'm talking about . Live with that .
@@manchesterunited4619 Yes man,nothing beats fair play like justifying and defending rapists by arguing "BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER RAPISTS AND PEDOPHILES??"
@@manchesterunited4619 Thanks big brother. Come on Manu!
@@lancevance6346 Lmao, you weren't even able to understand what he said. He said you were the pedophile and wasn't trying to defend anyone. He never talked about other rapists and pedophiles. Well, what can I expect from a joker with no morals. If don't know watch the Dark Knight.
What an amazing thought provoking conversation 🤌🏽👏🏽✊🏾
"But gravity is still real........right?" *Joe getting very nervous*
When u choose the redpill
What is real?
@@knmfujiwara I'm real
@@joeking8789 Are you though?
@@nicolasc682 Well I know I am, you know you are, but neither of us know if each other is real...
Joe has mastered the art of acting like he knows what he’s talking about.
How the hell do you think hes done so many diverse podcasts? 😂
Right, like when this clown doesn't know the fucking difference between 'reflection' and 'refraction'? 56:07 - he says it not once, but twice. He's a fucking moron and so are you if you're falling for this faux-intellectualism
@@allrequiredfields man chill out
allrequiredfields Um.... Firas Zahabi said "the reflection of the light off the water is bent." He wasn't defining refraction. He was saying what we observe. Refraction is bending of light. The light bends in water due to change in medium and we see a reflection of it. We observe light because of reflection. That is why we can't see in a dark room. Anyhow Joe Rogan is pretty smart also in my opinion.
c'mon... what your proposing is preposterous... he arguably knows a great deal more than your average person... which is why he is able to have these kind of conversations. he may nod his head in understanding sometimes when contrary but on average who doesn't! give the guy more credit! (my opinion and potentially wrong)
Excellent debate.. brilliantly argued on both sides.
That wasnt a debate ... That was a schooling.. so glad he mentioned Imam Ghazali r.a. and Ibn Taymiyyah r.a.
I come back to this clip from time to time to just break my brain a little and start over again
bruh this guy is just screaming out terms and scientific and philosophical jargen that he can't example and doesn't understand. It's just nonsense.
@@ibah6 what credentials do you have to say he’s wrong. I’ve studied philosophy quite extensively and most of what he is saying is spot on.
@@elevatorincident9519 because you're looking at it from a philosophical pov. Every chemist and physicist is watching this and grinding their teeth to the gum
@@dreamybull1509 science is not seperate from philosophy
@@bossman8066 what 🤣🤦🏽
Philosphy professor: lets discuss determinism. Joe Rogan: a fat guy goes Keto...
🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣 nice notice! Fkn Joe 🤣🤣🤣
I was reading this when he said that 😂
Me lol
Firas
After watching this my whole perception of science is changed for my lifetime 😂
It goes even deeper
Enter Islam.
@@tarekelbarkaoui7838 what'd you mean ?
@@devendrasinghbhadoriya234he means to become muslim and by definition to submit to the one true God, Allah, who is to be worshipped alone without joining partners in his worship. Please read His revelation, the Qur’an and listen to it being recited, it will be like opening your soul to the truth. Just trust me. You’ll NEVER regret it.
@@devendrasinghbhadoriya234lol the comment probably came off as a bit direct but ig he's encouraging u to look into Islam if ur curious
this conversation is so good! i really like this
Firas is so patient with his explanations. It’s admirable.
Because we're not born brilliant, a good teacher in any setting is the same way because they recognize what's missing in the other person's understanding, not being entitled to the receiver to have all the information that they -the teacher- already have.
And still makes no sense at the end
@@666Havers ?
@@artsyjoe94 C00ppllp
Joe is in way over his head
It’s these conversations that made GSP believe he got probed by aliens
Lmao 😭😭🤣🤣🤣 Underrated comment
The f is that 🙃🤣🤣
Goat comment
Really underrated.
You ain't lying
One of the best clips ever to come out JRE.
OMG ! i love these podcasts where in the journey is so mysterious.... This one will be a masterpiece in 10 years
"Randomness is when a human being can no longer compute all the factors" 🤯
Doesn’t take much to impress you I see 😂
So I'm reading comments and as I see the word randomness that word comes out of his mouth. That was wierd
@@dickfitswell3437 random 😉
@Lxnkzi what does Logan Paul have to do with this ? 😂
@@dickfitswell3437 So you are reading comments simultaniously with playing a vid. That kinda decreases the quality of both ngl. Although I certainly just watched it to the end only to see how long he's gna be confused.
That fact that nothing is random we just can’t calculate it blows my mind and makes a lot of sense.
The same happens to me. It’s incredible how our perspective changes a lot when we try to look at reality based on this way of thinking and observing reality. In fact, nothing is random, but what really frightens me is the idea of how our consciousness crazily believes or perhaps on purpose it was made to be conditioned to believe that it’s in control of every single aspect of decisions that are made by ourselves consciously, otherwise, life would entirely lose its sense.
@Jason Hatfield Who’s John Bell? Did he debunk the determinist theory? 🤔
It's a cute theory, but in quantum mechanics it's has been found there are things that behave by definition randomly. So he's wrong.
@@joeking8789Like you just said “there are things” therefore, it’s not applicable to everything. Quantum mechanics brought up various interesting profound understanding of several stuff, but I don’t think that it has proven that what the guy said in the interview isn’t valid at all. What we call “ random” doesn’t mean it’s surely an infinite state of randomness, but like he suggested it might simply mean we are not yet able to calculate. Something that’s it factually incalculable is addressed as something random, that’s what the definition of randomness suggests itself, in which whatever that is not susceptible to measured is inevitably called as random.
@@jes8253 " Something that’s it factually incalculable is addressed as something random, that’s what the definition of randomness suggests itself, in which whatever that is not susceptible to measured is inevitably called as random." Yes and in quantum mechanics, electrons have been shown to act randomly, by your own definition.
One of my favourite clips
What Firas is saying and I share, is that our level of science just takes us to a limited explanation of physics and "reality". As time passes I hope our knowledge continues to keep building up and come with better explanations for different phenomena that our scientific knowledge just can't explain at the moment. Probably when we have quantum computers we're goong to be able to generate experiments that prove different things that at the moment we just can't, only have different theories about stuff.
When you just hit the blunt but your homeboy been smokin all day
Underrated comment
😂
very underrated
nah this ain't smoke this is woke
Aaaahahahahahahaha literally
This was the best Joe Rogan podcast regardless of the outcome
@AHMED SABBIR I liked Jordan Peterson and Neil Degryse Tayson podcasts as well
@AHMED SABBIR Also the one with Naval Ravikant
God, this was the fucking worst. This was semantics being passed off as deep.
All his graham Hancock podcasts are super legit
@@allrequiredfields just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's semantics. Semantics is if I were to say that a mouse is small and then you were to correct me and say it's tiny. That would be semantics but what these people are talking about is a theory that you clearly didn't understand
To sum up this amazing Firas Zahabi's exposition. Knowledge can not be achieved through senses and the interpretation of the ego, the only way to reach knowledge is through complete consciousness. And the only way to have complete consciousness is to get rid of the ego (or putting it in his own words: "chop everything that might be imaginary, inferred, logical, empirical... to take off all your paradigms"). This is the transcendent experience of the one thing (or enlightenment), and that's why he says that it takes a very brave human being to do that, because few men are willing to get rid of their ego. And this is why I agree there is a point where religion is true and science is faith.
Firas is such a patient man its truly amazing because i understood it the fast time he said it and he made joe take a loop to just end up on something he was saying from the start. what conversation because joe stays on the offense just to get more and more clarity and abundance of information out.
That’s the first rule of science “science is not the absolute truth” you will never hear a scientist use the term 100% of anything
until covid.
@Bink* not, science is theory, hypothesis, models, experiments and data analysis. If you you add scientists as person and institutions you will have politics and religion also. Don't confuse hypothesis with theory.
@@leliel12th43 I agree with you, but a theory can be both weak and strong. It wasn't until the last century that everyone believe in the theory that the universe was static and infinite with no beginning or end. Science will either weaken or strengthen existing theories, but we can not treat them as fact.
Something else Science is not . . History! Why some atheist scientists think they can discover the Truth of our origins by playing at being Historians is beyond me! What is the point of trying to prove the big bang or some other universe origin theory? Or the evolution of man from nothing into sentient life that makes cars, buildings, computers and stuff??? So desperate to throw God out of the "equation" (really, there is no equation that can contain God), eh? As far as I'm concerned, The Purpose of Science is to gain enough understanding of how things work and what its made of, to develop Technology to better the human race (and maybe better some animals too) Leave the History to the Historians!
Correct brother, science is a relativist discipline at its core. many people do not understand this.
Im no smart person. But I could see what firas meant the first time he explained this. Makes absolutely sense. He opened my eyes on this podcast
English is my 2nd language, I speak it well yet I understood each and every thing he said, he explains very perfectly.
Same here, I think even Joe understood it, but for the sake of the podcast he pushed back. Otherwise there won't be a conversation and therefore no podcast. Really makes Joe's job much more complicated that I imagined.
@@virajchavan724 i dont think so, joe tends to agree alot with most of his guests which is natural since he invites People in that he respects and admires. Therefor i believe that in moments of debates or indication of scepsis/disagreement from his side i think it comes from a genuine place
bruh this guy is just screaming out terms and scientific and philosophical jargen that he can't example and doesn't understand. It's just nonsense.
He's talking about the philosophy of science
I think this is my favorite conversation I’ve ever heard so far in life
That's sad.
@@pnut3844able please enlighten me then pnut I greatly anticipate your fabled wisdom
@@pnut3844able that’s what I thought you pissant troglodyte
Joe, thinking he has a grasp on reality - but discovering he was mistaken. Masterful Explanation, Mr. Zahabi! 😮🎉🎉🎉❤
I don’t think Joe can get past the fact that our current level of knowledge will, in the future, be looked upon as we look upon our level of knowledge in the past.
Exactly. Rogan is the biggest scientism worshipper there is. Almost fanatical tbh.
Deeep...
Indeed!
He said that, he literally said are ideas grow and advance everyday.
Exactly
I must admit I am completely blown away with how sharp Firas is
He is one of the sharpest people in the history of Joe Rogans podcast
Yeah but not sharp enough to see silly that represents his religion...thats kind a sad.
You're both idiots.
@@joeking8789 joe king? More like joe gay
@@joeking8789 are you joking?
As an athlete and student of knowledge I consider this video is the best informative and entertaining video on KZhead
Glad to have found this video. I came up with the two trains theory independently of hearing about it.
This video is actually one of the best videos I have ever seen online about philosophy. I would not be surprised if this video is what inspired others to research and study philosophy.
Philosophy is re t ar ded, mathematics is god.
@@fragileomniscience7647 I am a Mathematician, and agree, it is the god of all subjects. But, you have to give it to Philosophy, it is very interesting. Let's not forget, there is no advanced Mathematics without Philosophy!
@@jeanpull1 Mathematics is dependent on ontology, everything follows metaphysics. Husserl has critiqued this, he was a mathematician.
@@fragileomniscience7647 u both are stupid.. read Bertrand Russell
It did brother mind blowing
joe not getting Firas's point is hurting my brain
@@suheilpinto6964 his point was that: the world accepted it was a pulling force, even though it wasnt proven, when in fact we now believe it is a pushing force. But still is can be believed as something else in the future by the same logic. Seems you didnt get it either, but im not surprised since you jumped on the Muslim comment which already shows your bias on the conversation.
@@suheilpinto6964 He has an inferiority complex typical of muslims?? What the hell are you talking about? Your post displays that you do not understand what Firas is talking about at all. It's really not that hard to follow, maybe you should replay the video and try again.
@@EvanUthus Inferiority Complex “Symptoms Fault Finding. ... Performance Anxiety. ... Craving for Attention. ... Increased sensitivity. ... Easily Feeling Disrespected. Now watch the video again and you will see what i'm talking about. You will find that some of these traits are being displayed when he was talking to joe rogan. And if you dont see it because of your ego, you urea and chalmango are fuckin morons.
suheil pinto your such a fucking moron, like seriously wow you ignorant fuck
suheil pinto that’s you jumping to conclusions man are you inside his body knowing that this man feels all what you just stated.
brilliant interview after 5 years still watching this interview again
"Science is the faith that the future will behave like the past". 👌
No it's not. It's a set of principles that govern the process of determining that which corresponds with reality and that which doesn't. It makes no proclamation that tomorrow will be like today. What it does say is that IF tomorrow is like today then you should expect to see certain things. So tired of people reciting stupid religious apologetic nonsense.
@@Haunting1981 science rests upon philosophical naturalism which presupposes exactly that the future will behave like the past. That being because there is no randomness under naturalism. Keep up gaytheist
@@Haunting1981 No, it necessarily does. How would you go about determining those principles? Through observation and experimentation. a)Things don’t all happen at once, therefore time exists. b) There’s no such thing as ‘now’- as soon as you mention it, it is not 'now' anymore, but instead then. So you’re using *past* experiences (i.e. observation and experimentation) to determine *current* principles of reality, hence, by necessity assuming the regularity of behavior. Sufficient regularity is an effectively reliable correlation, absolutely, but that doesn’t demonstrate certitude. Assumptions are requisite for engaging with reality, not ‘apologetic’. Besides, you were attempting to define science, Firas was simply explaining its underlying paradigm- you’re barking up the wrong tree.
@Haunting1981 you clearly don't understand the first thing about the philosophy of science. How do you test a hypothesis? The scientific method relies completely on the future acting like the past
@@Haunting1981this
The way Firas explained himself was spot on. Sometimes Joe can be very stubborn with his way if thinking, as we all can be, but to the point of frustrating.
It's because Joes idea of wuu and Firas idea of wuu are different. Firas said there is alot of wuu in science. Firas went on explaining why. Mean while Joe is like what? How is that wuu where is the wuu. And Firas kept going. They engaged in a huge conversation because of a lack of agreement on what wuu is.
If joe didn't press him and just agreed we would not have gotten such an in depth response.
thats the way to go, man
@Cassini Jr. ahahahah
@@guerothepail3526 well actually, their concept of wu is pretty much the same guess you don't understand it either..
Pop Smoke would be impressed with all this "Woo" talk
Bruh 😂🤣
Son....... 😂😂😂😂😂
47:34
Lmao
you mean Rick Flair right?
❤Love these types of conversations ! Thought experiments ! Thank you ! An excellent guest ! The purpose of a thought experiment is to encourage speculation, logical thinking and to change paradigms. Thought experiments push us outside our comfort zone by forcing us to confront questions we cannot answer with ease. They demonstrate gaps in our knowledge and help us recognize the limits of what can be known.
Yeah, too bad his thought experiment was entirely devoid of any logical thinking or speculation outside his preconceived ideas of determinism. Where did he depart from that comfort zone? I would have pointed out his primary assumption of a single causative action in the universe as one of many different possibilities. What about randomness, multiple realities, intention, consciousness as additional causative influences?
I understand you! So glad you are explaining this and giving these examples.
This podcast is brilliant 🙌. Joe is showing us just how switched on he really is. He kept up to speed and held an even debate. A great watch ✌️
Need one full episode with Firas talking about philosphy
Not on Joe's podcast though. He's too interruptive
Who else is on a Firas marathon? I'm learning so much.
Not so much...his worldview is incoherent
Love and respect for firas bro
Nothing he said here was impressive or profound, most of it is just his own misunderstanding of semantics. He just hears or thinks of something and runs with it, until someone with the ability to think critically comes along and its all "Yes that's a very good argument"...
@@joeking8789 semantics looks to be the only 'advanced' word in your vocabulary. Perhaps you should go back to school or study philosophy, because you sound as dumb as they come in America.
@@MrHabib135 Why are you gay for Firas? Ewwww
He has a good point. We accept what the scientists and experts tell us and we believe them without questions we assume that it's a proven fact that they are telling us but once you go a little deeper you will find that many of the things we believe have changed over time because they were proven wrong and forced to change because they are often based on assumptions and they assumptions made to come to the conclusion are all made in favor of reaching the desired outcome of whoever is funding the study
I really liked the portions about how nothing in science is random it is all variables we have the inability to calculate, as well as how they talked concepts like water boiling at different temperatures. In the future if we were to populate other planets we would clearly see these ideas painted before us when our environment is different from what our science is acclimated to.
Execept when you put water into another liquid it's no longer water 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Holy crap, a philosopher combined with an understanding of martial arts. Firas is the Bruce Lee of this era!!!
He’s a protege of Bruce Lee
@Le Monke and who said they were? Did I say that? 🤔
@@paddle_smith What?
no
I like how he laughed off joes frustration and continued explaining without elevating his own heart rate remaining super calm and super confident.
Calmly full of b.s.
@@MrStaano How though?
@@noelmalik5018 He really only is "questioning" science degrading it to a belief to a certain extend because he himself believes in a allpowerful being; a god that created the universe. He believes islam is true. A mythical belief system from 1300 years ago without any proof its actually real. So he isnt really genuine.
@@MrStaano If you document yourself on the subject, you'd learn a few things.
@@ponchovilla6189 You mean if i study the subject, not "document". Your english is off. And how do you know i dont know anything about the subject? This Firas dude questions everything about science but not his religion; islam which is a fairytale at best. Get my point?
This is a beautiful explanation of some very interesting takes on philosophy. 💪🏼
The Arabic scholars he mentioned - Ibn Taymiyya and Al-Ghazali.
Mashallah great convo and exchange of thoughts
This was like Joe and Firas's minds were doing Jiu Jitsu with each other.
🤣🤣
underrated comment
And Firas won flawlessly lol
😂😂😂 Yeah; Right? 🤣🤣🤣 Firas is really trying to Mind fuck Joe Rogan but he keeps reorganizing the phrases to keep it as understood as possible.
Determinism is absolute and free will is an understanding . Absolute science if applied to both , it will not contradict either .
This guy is a hero... finally someone has balls to say things as they are. Kudos.
I would love to see Firas and Neil DeGrasse Tyson on a podcast to debate each others thoughts. That’s the beauty of free will and humanity. We all bleed the same blood and need the same basic necessities to live, but we all think differently 🫶
Neil is not a good person to have a conversation with. Neil just like his own voice too much. He is a good Lecturer or a Speaker but definitely not a good person to have any legit conversation.
Firas try so hard to create an analogy that can be understood even by kids, so it can be understood by joe too.
raichan abdikar hahahahaha man I cracked .
Very true, so frustrating
Firas sounded condescending, despite Joe actually having the better understanding of scientific principles.
Chris Distant i disagree
@@chrisdistant9040 you have that absolutely arse about tit lad.
You can literally see Joe's mind collapsing in upon itself during this podcast..
Lol yeah it's incredible, I'm surprised he had a guy like this on
I wanna be a learner - Brian Regan
I'm trying to learn about "orbitals" "diffusely". It's not so easy for lots of ppl to get everything other ppl talk about. It doesn't automatically make them "stupid" tho
@Mohammed Al-mawla I had the same experience in my AP Philosophy class back in high-school. Truly, we had a weekly essay to write every Friday and once the question was "How do you know you exist", and my reply was "if your reading this then that's proof I exist. This is a stupid question.". I. Got a B- lol.
what bugs me is Firas keeps ignoring the math.....Math predicted the light would bend around the sun,the math predicted the curve of space time and it still makes predictions we still cant explain..Such as dark energy or dark matter...its not dark it literally a stand in name for something we have yet to prove physically but has to exist for the math to add up....My point is i get what he is saying but i disagree with him when it comes to things math confirms or even predicts long before we could ever prove it...Black holes was only just proven to actually exist though we have had the math of them for 100 years or so......
Cannot find full podcast on either of Joe's channels wonder where it went
Firas has insane patience lol. Bravo and great convo!
Firas breaks down everything so well in simplistic terms. The people who understand things well are always able to break things down to simple levels.
I agree 100% I believe it was said, that if you cant explain something to a person in a way they can understand, then you yourself dont really understand. Or something to that effect.
There's a saying: If you have full control of an idea, you should be able to explain it in very few words, so that anyone who's not aware at all of the concept would understand it.
@@thirdromaniantribe2575 that's the one!
Are you out of your mind!? This guy is talking about Philosophy...!! There is nothing SIMPLE in Philosophy... The whole idea of philosophy is vague!
@@tylerblair7416 yeah Sagan said that I believe
This guy really does understand the philosophy of science really well. I found myself recognizing concepts I'd heard before in college all throughout this conversation. Good on Joe for really questioning and helping to draw out such good answers from Zahabi.
He's a pain in the 🕳.
The guy is a joke.. this is high school level philosophy where im from.
He's a devout Muslim. It's a thinly veiled case for Islam
@@jdivision79 Define devout? There's no one definition of that. And last time I checked, Islam welcomes science and mathematics with open arms
Lol the guy is talking 💩 and you understand him....both of you are clowns
To God the world is not random because he has all the information!
This person gets it.
This wad one of the best episodes for this podcast
this is one of the most important talks of joe’s podcast so far
And he doesn’t even realize it
Totally agree, it's really breathtaking philosophy here and great analogies and examples....
Absolutely
One of the best conversations between Joe and a guest in a LONG time
Maher Ayoub this episode sucks. The guest is an idiot
chris Guerrero "the sign of intelligence is that you are constantly wondering. Idiots (you) are dead sure about everything "
Guest WAS an idiot
I agree this guest is talking shit
@@theguythingy lol
20:21 - 20:50 - Crux of introspection and the pursuit of spiritual inquiry - the silence is beautiful.
Without realizing it, I've used this example myself so many times in my life to prove the true nature of science.
Usually I get bored of long content like podcasts and I always click away and come back later but this is one hour that flew by without me realizing. What a great discussion.
So weird that you chose this one. Hmmmm it is almost as if you have a reason to write a comment. Like a piece of shit spreading propaganda.
@@Onthebrink5 So weird that you chose this one. Hmmmm it is almost as if you have a reason to write a comment. Like a piece of shit spreading propaganda.
State of flow lol
Yeah the only way to watch is in the car really
It had the exact opposite effect on me i was bord a quarter of the way in.
Maybe GSP retired to avoid conversations like this.
Maybe he became the best fighter of all time because of having such a profound coach like this?
@@MM_Da_59_Spirit possible. Both are narratives tho
Actually GSP hangs out more with him since he's retired, they're always together
Lmao
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Please please please get this lad back on the show
Water boils at 100deg. At 1atmosphere pressure.