The 2024 Mercedes-Benz eSprinter Is NOT What I Expected!
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I can see myself buying a camper based on that electric sprinter in a few years :)
I have also been following the electric van market in hopes of converting one to a camper after I retire next year. I’m hoping Mercedes releases the shorter one in the US, since being under 20 feet is important for many parking and camping locations. I’m pretty sure this one is about 23 feet. I heard a rumor that Ford signed a contract with Tesla to allow future eTransits to be able to charge from Tesla stations, which could add options, especially given the shorter range for transits. I love the longer lived traction batteries in the Sprinters, though not the way the size of them reduces payload and requires a longer van. I’m hungry for applied information regarding how a roof full of solar panels could be used to charge these vehicles without voiding warranty.
I just bought a 2000 Toyota Sienna for only $1,200 with over 265k miles on it to live in.
@@Network126no thanks
And go where with only 100 miles range?
@@thedopplereffect00 Three thoughts… vids from people who drive them regularly say the practical range is more like 140. Even 100 miles is further than I can drive round trip to anywhere from my home (must ferry after that). We have many free chargers, widely spread. The capacity isn’t enough for a loaded-up overlander or folks who traipse all over; however, for people who travel short distances between hiking and bikepacking adventures (Tucson area, for example) it could work. Finally, what if there was a way to directly recharge the traction battery from rooftop/auxiliary solar. Maxwell says their Vanacea conversions can gain 20 miles per day from rooftop panels only in optimum light. For a 14-day boondock (the usual limit), that’ll do it. Other vids said Ford does not “allow access” to modify the battery system… or something like that.
I plan to buy one and convert it to a camper. ONLY IF I can get power out of the main battery for appliances/office/lighting/AC! Hopefully it's possible to do that. ESprinter has exactly DOUBLE (2X) range and battery compared to Ford ETransit.
You can use the 12v cigerette outlet I assume to get power from the main battery or at least power that's replenished from there. That's what I do with my Tesla use an inverter from there.
Etransit has a power inverter option for the cargo area, also pre-owned 2022 o 2023 etransits are about 35k. Less than half the price of new esprinter. That's why it gets half the range
Considering it's a tin box with little sound deadening that noise level is really good. No work van I have ever driven could be considered remotely close to a serene cocoon.
3:21 that looks like a glass fiber leaf wow!!
Yeah. It’s a corvette now.
@@mongo64071 Not transverse enough.
That is just wrap over steel leaf. Older vans have the same on front.
Cannot wait to see the camper variants.
I like that display parameter for DCFC max input. I think more vehicles should have that if they don’t already.
As a E Transit owner with over 38,000 miles im pretty happy with my purchase. I got a medium roof, long wheel base basically fully loaded, has 3525lb payload while being fully independent rear suspension with coil springs which makes for a pretty comfy ride, even when empty. My only real issue is A no option for bigger battery, and the climate control being in the screen really annoys me, even still after almost 2 years. Otherwise theres been basically zero maintenance other than tire rotations
I'll be lugging around one ton. I do about half highway half neighborhood. A long day is 200mi. Not too bad day is 150. And regular around 100. How are you doing for miles per charge and what's your payload?
Very cool, thanks for the review.
Great feature for the kW charge max displaying. It's a seriously large Van. Smart direct rear wheel motor.
Costs about the same as the 2022 4x4 VS30 2500 diesel version. I’m really impressed with the range. Would be nice to see what this gets at freeway speeds.
Thie Sprinter, Rivian and new electric Promaster all appear to be closely matched. They are aimed specifically at the "last mile" delivery market, which has become a major part of van sales. The range really isn't enough for your plumber (or most any service work), but it's spot on for the intended use.
For Last mile you actually need much less. The first electric Sprinter here in Europe in 2020 had battery packs of 35 or 47kWh. It was way to expensive, but other than that, it's short range is actually fine for the last mile. This thing with the biggest battery is fine for most plumbers and what not, because they typically have a fixed area in which they work. The people I work with rarely want to do projects further away than 50km, because it will mean they get stuck in much more traffic jams and whenever they have to come back to the job because something is wrong, they waste a lot of time. In US the distances will be a bit bigger, but I think a lot of trades will do it like this, and this new van can go far enough.
Your test was made in Southern California in summer time. Do a real test now in Colorado and you will find out the real charging time and real distance it will go.
For a campervan it needs to have at least 300 mile range, 250kw charging speed and a 110/220v outlet. Once someone will offer a van with those specs, it would be super easy to build a campervan since you won’t need and house battery or gas/diesel heaters. Place 2-4 large panels on the roof and it’s perfect for camping and road trips.
I think you will still need a house battery. You can't connect house lights, appliances, etc. directly to either the high voltage vehicle battery or the 12V vehicle battery. Mercedes will require an auxiliary 12V battery but I don't think it will be large enough to run electric appliances like stove, heater, etc. So it will be necessary to connect the vehicle 12V auxiliary battery to a house battery (likely lithium). Also it will be difficult to do much better than the approximately 250 mile range because if you make the battery pack larger you will reduce the payload to the point that a van conversion would be difficult.
@@davidrosen4951 240v would be enough to power any appliance. Many EVs now have 240v outlets. You might still need a small battery for usb/lights etc but a 20Ah LFP battery (cheap, sub$100) with a 110 to 12v converter would be more than enough.
Why "at least" 300 mile range? I would be quite happy with a range of 250 miles. I currently drive a Mercedes EQV, and it "only" has a range 225 miles on a summer, but I rarely driver longer without the need for a break anyway. I would love to get the eSprinter as a camper with app. 200-250 miles of range! Preferably there should be a camper mode, so that the 12 V battery can replenish from the high voltage battery and a 120/230 V socket. Solar panels could also be nice but is not a must.
@@ranig2848 I'm thinking along these lines. Haven't yet decided how small I can make the LFP van "house" battery. Also looking at 12V for some house system and 110V for others.
@@E.T.1971 I agree. Camper van travel isn't about rushing to cover the miles as far as I'm concerned. I like to stop fairly often to stretch, eat, explore. And in this case to do some charging.
what is the towing capacity? my 2011 sprinter 5k lb
At that range is this the first possible 'Van Life' van?
Wait for Tesla Cybervan imo.
@@Zladcore given there has been no announcement that might take quite a while unfortunately:(
I just bought a 2000 Toyota Sienna for only $1,200 with over 265k miles on it to live in.
@@Network126no thanks
@@Harrythehun He said live in. Not drive. lol (albeit, I would not "live" in a van given a better option)
Nice! It comes including a small trash 🗑 in the fronk😊
Awesome, such an improvement over the previous electric Sprinters, that have proven very useful already here in Europe, especially for deliveries. Im looking forward to the full refresh in two years, in the meantime this is a great replacement for probably 95% of diesel Sprinters already :)
A full refresh of a cargo van?
Sprinter are Highway Kings in Germany,why fast and real long Range of Diesel ,but not in E Version ,with this rediculus Range !
@@heikowalter8239 Most sprinters are used by handymen and you wouldnt hire say an electrician from more than 300km away. And even if you need to go further, charging takes just a few minutes, if you do that twice a year, who cares. I wonder when the range argument finally goes away… 1.000kms? 10.000kms? „Cant even drive to Peking without recharging“ ;)
@@hwirtwirt4500 Well this one is still based on the 10 year old design for combustion engines, meaning suboptimal battery placement and aerodynamic with a lot of engine cooling in mind. A full EV version can have bigger batteries with the same cargo capacity and be more efficient, meaning even more range and higher charging speeds :)
@@GamingProject23 No ,not in Germany ! We got fast Highways and this Sprinters are Fast Delivery and the only one ,that can drive with max Speed and 1,5 Tonns Payload and 900 km Range ! The Trucks can only drive 80 kmh ! No Elektric can do that and carging Time is Nest Problem !
Be great for van life especially if it would work on tesla superchargers. Rig it with 1kw+ of solar. You could camp in a sunny area and run the ac/etc and probably not use much battery. I think Tesla missed a major opportunity with skipping vans instead of spending all their time on the cyberturd.
In all likelihood these will be recharged back at the depot over night for a fraction of the cost of tesla charging station and it doesn't need to be attended while charging.
Vans like this are used for last mile package delivery or tradespeople to get to jobs (nearly always local). I'm not sure how relevant a range test is that relevant. How does it do delivering 100 packages in the city? That's a relevant test.
These manufacturers still don't get that people electric vans for camper/van life. There is no easy solution to tap into the high voltage battery without safety issues unless done by the manufacturer itself. Electric Pickups have aux power but why not electric vans that can function as work/pro vans?
It's neither necessary nor safe/practical to tap directly into the high voltage battery. But it's not necessary anyway. The high voltage battery system normally keeps the vehicle's 12V battery charged (used for vehicle start-up and accessories). By extension, the high voltage battery can also keep a 12V battery system charged to run camper systems like lighting, AC, etc. Mercedes has some information on how to do this in a manual called the "eSprinter Body and Equipment Supplemental". It's still early days on this so the tech people at my local Mercedes dealer hadn't even seen the eSprinter last time I checked with them. Once they have a chance to take a close look we'll be able to think about how actually implement the camper battery system so it will stay charged from the vehicle's high voltage battery.
Seems good…can you test with about 2000 lbs payload and a route with a few hills? I think if the loaded range can eventually be around 500km (300 mi) these could be a great chassis for a campervan one day…maybe within 3 years if they can keep improving battery tech.
When this thing is loaded with 2000lbs, driven around freezing with heat on will be interesting. Based on other EVs, the cooler temp will cause at least a 30% reduction in range. Mercedes did a really good job at the range for a big vehicle.
The cab space heated/cooled is smaller than basically any passenger ev and the battery is larger. It will have less noticeable change than for say a Mercedes sedan.
The heating of the van is actually not that big of a deal. For two reasons: 1: The passenger compartment is really small. A friend has a smaller Mercedes electric van (EQV) and hardly has any noticeable impact with heating and cooling. 2: This van will probably have a heat pump for heating, as the first eSprinter from 2020 (Europe) also had that. It would be even better if they would use the heat pump to heat the battery so that it stays relatively warm. They seem to have quite some battery conditioning on it, I think it is not going to be that bad.
@@roland9367That’s assuming the cargo partition is there. Plus heating isn’t always the biggest draw on power. Colder weather decreases lithium output, whether a battery is heated or conditioned. It’s an impressive car. But with full loads-not the 450lbs they had-and winter weather it can help give a more realistic perspective of range. There’s a reason they chose Southern California for this media event in the middle of winter and not Edmonton, Alberta. 😁
@@cmprvn Yes of course but it looks like they will be spending energy on keeping the battery conditioned, so it is probably not as bad as other cars. In these kind of vans the partition is pretty much always there. They will come out with passenger versions and people will at some point be using them for camper van conversions, then heating will be a big thing. I've got an older 9 seater electric Sprinter which was built by a company that is now bankrupt. It only had 40kWh (I think it was designed around 2010) and it actually has a diesel heater for the interior heating, because such a van with all glass windows and heating would be pretty useless in winter time. Anyway, my friend has a Mercedes EQV and it is very consistant in getting him around 400km of range, whatever the weather is. They also have a Stellantis passenger EV (Citroen) which is working fine, but range is not consistant at all.
More suitable for warmer climates I think. AC doesn't use so much energy as heating. But many camper conversion designs will do away with that partition, meaning a rooftop AC system will be needed to keep the whole interior cool. And some sort of heater system as well though with warm blankets for sleeping the heater can be fairly small. But I'm thinking maybe mountains of Peru in the summer, not Edmonton, Canada in the winter.
I drive by a ford lot in Texas everyday and they’ve had an e-transit sitting on their lot since July of last year. 😂 selling like hotcakes.
The range is too short on the etransit
Why no frunk? I retrofitted the Bio-Defence Hepa system in my Y and I saw the install once the technician removed the frunk cargo bucket - the radiator is mounted diagonally and the components are all around instead of in the middle. I believe there will be demand for leisure and camping EV vans when they will be able to travel at least 250 miles between charges.
Lack of a frunk may be because this design is similar to the ICE designs. A ground-up EV design would likely have. a frunk.
I have two questions. Will shorter, low roof configurations be available this year, and will they have sufficient domestic parts content to qualify for all federal incentives? Beyond that, it’s still crazy expensive if you’re a small business and only need one van.
Im surprised they are so expensive in the US, the starting price here in Europe is about 45k USD converted. Still more expensive than the diesels, but Id take an electric any day :)
@@GamingProject23compared to Europe we have much fewer choices in EVs and most trend toward luxury passenger vehicles. Tesla has the majority of the market. As to vans, no one currently sells a smaller commercial van than this in US. We don’t get the Transit Connect anymore and you guys even get it a PHEV, we’ve never even had a hybrid work van available. The only smaller work van is the Metris but it requires premium fuel. It’s like car manufactures think we are on a different planet.
I just bought a 2000 Toyota Sienna for only $1,200 with over 265k miles on it to live in 😂
@@Network126no thanks
@@hayduke4589 I heard Metris is also set to be discontinued in the US.
I wish the range was longer about 300 miles plus would be great, hopefully one day
I Love the exposed high voltage cables connected to the rear motor.
They are at least insulated in probably two layers.
Mercedes service a major reason to not purchase. EV is worth reconsidering. Thank you.
Numerous studies have proven EV’s are less reliable than ICE vehicles, so you’ll be getting friendly with the Mercedes service center with one of these 😂
In 36,000 miles so far in my Chevy Bolt EV I've had zero problems. I even drove it from California to Brazil with no problems despite a few rough stretches of road. Both hot and cold temperatures along the way. Crossed the Andes at high elevation. Even drove across a shallow stream at one point (EV are better at this than ICE vehicles). I haven't seem these "numerous studies" you mention. Do you have reliable sources for this?
how is no one converting these to rv yet?
There are already some companies doing conversions with other electric vans.
What is the point if is not carrying a full pay load !!!!!!! and a winter night time run would show the true range .
what is the range fulling loaded? i want to see that also with a trailer behind
Someone did a range test with a Ford Lightening loaded with 1400 pounds in the bed. The range decreased by about 25%. So this is at least an initial idea of the losses. Not sure how that would compare to losses due to towing. But you can get some of this range back by keeping speed and acceleration down and letting off of the pedal on uphills a bit.
They need to put an enormous battery in this thing, like the one in the Hummer or Silverado EV. Ideally you'd have enough juice to get to camp, power electronics at camp, and be able to make it back home with the same charge.
I used to drive diesel Sprinter vans and they all had the long single leaf spring suspension in the rear with a live axle. So the leaf springs on this van are not unique.
all fiberglass?
The carrying capacity of this sprinter is 1057 Kilos. Thats impressive if the max weight of the vehicle is 2300. The e transit may come in a 3500kg model. but its payload is a little less than this sprinter at 1000 kilos.
Why would they not have a cover/skid plate over the main orange high voltage lines? That screams cost cutting on something that has the potential to get snagged by a road or offroad obstacle.
Looks like it’s decently positioned behind other components if referring to the rear motor setup. I’m sure Mercedes has thought about it and tested it, deciding it’s not necessary for the vast majority of uses. Not dissimilar to how some vehicles have their brake lines or other electronics in the rear and aren’t fine.
Really cool fan!
"this is a working van" So let's waste space in the front bay and not have a frunk for tools and cargo?
Good value and low maintenance. If I were using it commercially, I wouldn’t go beyond level 2 charging.
The van to buy? Unless you’re running a delivery service in the city, then no, this is not the van to buy.
Wish that we would have focused on replacing our delivery van fleets with EVs. It would have had a much larger impact on pollution than residential EVs.
Ford has targeted the short run, local delivery and service industry with their eTransit. It’s for users who plug-in at a depot every evening, and possibly even at lunch if needed. The Transit has been the most popular van in its class worldwide for many years.
Why not both?
@@Harrythehun Batteries are the scarce resource that limits EV adoption. Better to use them in commercial EVs that go 200 miles a day than in residential EVs that go 30 miles a day.
@@hereigoagain5050 residential evs are might go 30 miles, but there are much more of them on the road. Residential luxury evs are the way to mass produced cheap batteries, now we just need to wait for Tesla to come up with cheaper and better van
You'll have that one guy who travels more than 300 miles per day once or twice a year saying EVs bad cause limited range. Meanwhile the vast majority of vans don't commute that long and no one cares what they think because they have a snowflake commute.
What is the gross weight of that van? In UK we have a limit of 3500kgs GROSS. So it will carry F all load.
Why make a van with a max charge rate of 115kw? Except for that, it's awesome, but that's slow AF in 2024.
In Europe, another facelifted electric van from Renault will be launched this spring. It's called the Master E-tech and has 87kWh of usable battery capacity and a payload of 1625kg (over 3500lbs). It will also support V2L and V2G.
I owned a Renault 40 years ago. I am still mad at France. lol
I bought Transit rwd 250 extended 2019 for 40k . Now it cost 72k awd .
If MB Vans makes a 144" WB Standard Roof AWD variant before 2026 I'll get a few of them. However I suspect they'll sell all of the vans they make to businesses and it'll be several years before your average Joe who wants one can buy one.
Actually I got a message from my local Mercedes dealer recently asking if I was interested in buying an eSprinter. I'm an individual buyer, not a fleet buyer.
I'd love to convert my van to electric but prices still out of reach for now. That is nice tho. But 35mph??? on a huge open road? is that normal over there?
No. It’s a scenic drive with many sharp turns and frequent pullouts (and people crossing the road) along the Pacific coast. Most country roads in the US are 55mph.
Thanks, interesting. Our national limit off motorway is 60, 20-40 in towns/cities@@EUC-lid
@@EUC-lid Freeways are generally 65mph with some higher.
Can the hvac or ac heater running al day or night or 24 hours while its plugged in?
I may be confusing it with eTransit… I think it can be programmed to be ready to go when you plan to drive it, with the traction battery preconditioned and the cab at temperature.
I believe you will have to keep the vehicle on for heating or cooling. There may be an automatic vehicle shutoff after a certain amount of time though a Mercedes tech told me that there will likely be some kind of work-around to keep the vehicle powered on.
Mercedes says up to 440 km, I don't think it exceeds 300 km. I wonder if you have the maximum load, does it exceed 200 km? For short journeys in the city or near the city, it is probably ok, but if you have long journeys, like mine, of 1600 km, it is clearly not suitable, you should waste a lot of time with charging. Diesel is still in power!
200kg on board is a joke. Let’s say van was empty.
This test is a bs. 30mph. Who is driving like that. Waste a time.
The fact there is no 120V support is a deal breaker. Foolish.
Range will go way down when fully loaded
Ill just use a old e250 van lower it add a high roof put in a industral diesel to get great mpg done
Why would any company be dumb enough to ough have a fleet? How the hell would they keep them all charged?
4:27 all that vast wasted space in the front! mercedes could have placed those components under the seats for example inside, i dont get it!
It’s because this chassis is shared with the ICE version. Makes sense to do it this way in terms of production development and cost, not to mention potential serviceability.
@@ALMX5DPis because they know the EV is a niche product. They'd never design an EV first and then add an engine as an after thought
@@thedopplereffect00 it's actually just a stopgap until Mercedes' "Van.EA" EV architecture is ready for primetime.
@@ALMX5DP then why bother with it? Tesla today is the only manufacturer that is committed to making quality EV products
@@thedopplereffect00 why bother with a stopgap? I suspect it's to bring a product to market sooner while continuing to develop technology for a future (dedicated) platform. At the end of the day companies need to make money, and this is one way to do it..
3:40 ....enfin on va l'obtenir au canada ...but for $100,000 I pass.
I hope in 2025 they will add 4x4 evs...
IMO too expensive considering its existing van that retrofit electric drivetrain, no reason that can't match ICE pricing.
Use the A/C and expect 30 percent less rsnge.
The number I've heard is about 17% which squares with my own experience driving long distance in hot areas.
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Biggest problem with these vans remai;s the same which is range. Good for urban work but anything beyond that it’s a non starter. Hence why GM is not selling a lot of there vans which ae good vans. Another issue for the other competitors is that they look like the old milk delivery vans. Not good.
The eSprinter has 250 miles of range which is enough for traveling if you're not trying to push the speed and drive long hours.
This is not a honest review , this is just an Mercedes ADD , testing it in California , where the temperature is perfect for LiIon Battery , driving 30 MPH ( who T F drives any car with 30 miles per hour , where all or most of the roads in the city are eat list 35 MPH ) . Also Mercedes provide him the van with 95% battery , when 80-85% is recommended to be charged . Such a pathetic "Honest Review"
But can it compete with the Bukhanka?
👏👏👏
Van-life, for camping in the city.
Nice. Now do a proof-of-concept test by using it to make a day’s worth of service calls in Fargo during February. Use it like you’re a plumber or an HVAC tech on a hard schedule with customers who have immediate need of your services. How long will that battery last under those real-world conditions?
You don’t need proof of concept. Delivery companies in Europe including DHL have been lapping these up. They work great as last mile delivery vehicles.
Dude, everyone knows that evs are doing fine under any type of real-world scenarios. All the Norway driving evs back and forth and they're having winter with temps about -25C. It's not 2012 anymore, grow up already
BUT MOST TIMES IT WILL BE FULLY LOADED ?????????????????????????????????????????????????/
We had a 2023 sprinter at work diesel... it was in the shop getting fixed more than it was usable.. it got hit recently and we dumped it and ended up getting 3 ram vans instead
People like to trash talk the Ram vans, but if you change the oil often and change the transmission fluid every 20k, they can hold up for a long time. They like to eat front tires and brakes but that's about it. People complain that they had to replace the transmissions at 80,000 miles but if you run it at max payload and never change the fluid, it's gonna fail.
Fiat has a decades long reputation to live up to
We need a 300-400 mile range minimum on this terrible such a large vehicle could have more battery
As a commercial work van will NOT WORK. needs to hold up a range of 300 miles minimum with load.
Just charge it up during lunch time. No problem :).
177 miles... with no cargo, what is the point? This is not the future.
Where are the F150 fanboys screaming that their tRuCk can haul more ?
Actually Ford Lightening payload is about the same. And even less for the long range version.
Is it capable of moving all my grandma stuff?? If yes, then give it to me! I dont care about all those kilowatts and shit.
What is the charging voltage to produce 115 KW output from a charger? Is it 240 VAC? Does MB offer specially made chargers like Tesla for home charging? If so, how many hours will it take from empty to full when charging at home. I don't know why people always talk about spending extra money on EVs, on commercially available charging stations. Isn't the whole idea of getting into EVs to eliminate wasteful and exorbitant spending on petro fuel, excluding one of those brainless trend seekers, such as clueless politicians? I wonder if it's feasible to carry one of the portable generators for extended trips, just in case of charging station is not available. If so, what would be the optimal power output of the generator for this cargo van.
It's 115 kWh. In other words battery capacity. Can be charged with 240 VAC or high voltage DC. Or even 110 VAC (slow charging). You can get any number of different chargers for home charging at 240 VAC that will work. These can be hard-wired or plug-in (portable). Yes you can carry a portable generator as long as it's pure sine wave output. But kind of defeats the purpose of an EV getting away from fossil fuel use. If I were to do it I would go for propane instead of gasoline or diesel.
I want that electric junk in my driveway!
I don’t think that’s a leaf spring. It’s probably a conversion part from the ICE leaf springs to what looks like a torsion bar suspension.
Tupperware frunk
NEVER….
177 miles no payload. Stop watching after 45 seconds. Useful in cities but anywhere else no chance.
Camper van !!
2.2mpk mostly city is PATHETIC.
Actually depends on the battery capacity.
Too much expensive joke
EV it’s a scam, diesel or gas toyota is the best car every(существует одна машина это тойота и все остальное)…,
I just bought a 2000 Toyota Sienna for only $1,200 with over 265k miles on it to live in.
My long wheel base high top 2019 promaster has 4,000 lbs of payload and goes over 300 miles on a tank. No thanks on the electric garbage.
electric??? LOL 😹💩 no thanks
Saving the planet one massive pile of toxic resources and carbon footprint at a time.
It’s called recycling, you don’t throw the battery away…
r/forwardsfromgrandma
Were you always this dumb or are you just repeating talking points from Fox New?
Explain what part you think is toxic?
@@thedopplereffect00the 8000 plus battery cells.
Just say "NO" to EVs.
more electric junk 😊