Hilary Doyle talks Panther Ausf. A and G at NACC Ft. Benning
2020 ж. 22 Мау.
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The Panzer Master has spoken. I must say that the NACC is awesome for giving you all time with such great tanks. thanks for sharing.
Was an absolute treat to film with He-Who-Speaks-With-Panzers and the NACC crew and volunteers really enjoyed having him out as well. Some GREAT tank talks that I wish I filmed went down that week!
He's a wealth of information.
It is his job.He works in a tank museum.
@@Rorynes That's what i said.
@@lesslisilverman ?
@@Rorynes No he doesn't work for the museum. He's a mechanical illustrator who worked with the Thomas Jentz to publish translations of original documentation on German AFVs in their Panzer Tracts publications. Jentz specialized in German armor history while Doyle illustrated the vehicles in line drawings based on original German blueprints. The only connection Doyle has to an armor museum is the Weald Foundation in England where he's a member of the board of directors. He has nothing to do with this armor collection.
Thank you for solving my panther confusion.
In my 45 years of military collecting the most amazing thing I ever saw was a complete Panther Infra-red set up (light and commander's viewing scope) brought into a collectors show outside Chicago 30 years ago. Beats the hell out of Hitler's silver wear and Luftwaffe daggers. The owner knew exactly what it was and was not offering it for sale. Just wanted to show it off, which was OK with me. When might you ever see another??
Never? But u saw it once...I live in Argentina. I know i will die without ever see a ww2 german armored vehicle of any kind...
The Military Museum of the Bundeswehr in Germany has several if I remember correctly. Their Panther G definitely has it.
@@krautreport202 Munster or Koblenz?
Lockbar, that's some rare history you have there. Both the U.S. and Germany experimented with IR night sighted-weapons in the closing months of the war. The Germans used IR searchlight-equipped Panther tanks during the Ardennes offensive and the aftermath and also did R&D on a rifle (small-arms) IR sight with illuminator. The American Army got round to issuing M-1 Carbines with IR scopes in time for the invasion of Okinawa, where they gave yeoman service against Japanese troops who remained underground during daylight hours, but often emerged after dark. Can't recall the precise figure, but a sizeable percentage of U.S. sniper kills on that island in 1945 were made with the new technology.
@@FlexDB Koblenz
Every time Hilary talks, I learn something. And I'm not just saying that for "click" bait.
I was going to say the same thing!
Agree !
I've always loved the Panther. I was a kid that felt like they died and went to heaven when I got to visit Aberdeen back in 1976. I got to see this Panther and all the other great German armor! WOW!!!
Sofilein tries very hard not to interrupt mr.Doyle
I love her 4 that! She knows this time she wont be the star of her own vídeo so she step aside and listen. That's VERY cool of her!
Something that is eternally to her credit
Yes. Good interview 👍🏼
She is perfect.
Literally my favorite tank in World of Tanks, I both love to see videos on them, but also hate to see them so neglected. Thanks for the coverage regardless!
The panther is my favorite tank also! Never tire of learning about them.
Its end tank of its line, the E 50, is also a very fun tank :D
Is2 go *BRRRRRRRRRT*
I know that I'm writing only now but It is very interesting as always with Hillary Doyle and also Sofilein. That said I didn't know that in the very late production in order to save rubber they changed the return roller with a slide as I never have seen photos about this modification and this also go with an armored storage box on the deck to store the IF equipment as I thought that stored inside! Please keep on posting 👍👍
It’s sad to see those tanks in such rough shape.
Indeed
Pit Friend I agree but it’s better than some of these tanks which are rotting away war memorials across Europe and Russia. I think their in the process of restoring these as well. I saw a Tiger H1 that’s just sitting along a road in Ukraine or Russia collecting rust.
I imagine alot of money would be needed to restore and maintain these big cats. I wonder if volunteers would be allowed to assist with such an effort. Would be a great experience for potential US Army tankers and heavy equipment operators to be involved with the resto project.
I remember these cats from APG. I saw them many times as a lad and taking my own kids to see them. Yes, they are in terrible condition, but it is far, far better to see them under cover and getting some TLC than it was to see them look worse each time I paid a visit. And we also get to see Hilary Doyle telling us about them. Honestly, I never would have guessed the late Panther was set up for night vision equipment. That is very cool.
Im quite happy to see them exist at all. With the amount of interest in them, I would assume that will atleast be taken care enough so that they do not degrade any further.
Thank you Sofi & Hilary again. Excellent, stay safe
The cardboard detail for the poison gas. Read so many books, visited so many museums and still, l am a humble admirer. Thx Sofi, it’s these details and small nuances that make these (to) short videos stand out.
Fascinating vehicles with Mr. Doyle right on topic. Thanks for sharing. :) :)
Yep this chap knows his stuff!! Thanks for the info!!
Thank you for getting together with Mr. Doyle lots of obscure facts that he knows, thank you.
This was right behind my training company at Sand Hill. Always cool to see all the tanks they had when we went by for haircuts
Hilary really knows his stuff, it very interesting all the videos you have done with him and like that you let him talk. It would be nice if you can ask some question, he may have more to share thank you Sofilein.
I remember hearing the "think tank" (on yt since 2012) and there there was Prof. Doyle talking, it was a pleasure to hear him. Then I thought it was a shame that some could be heard through youtube videos and some others didn't have a regular yt outlet for their experitse. So I appreciate that this channel exposes Prof. Doyle expertise.
He really is a treat to listen to. There are a lot of experts out there in the field without the inclination or the time to start their own channels so it's very much a nice privilege to record with them. The Weald Foundation is planning some videos with him on their channel this year, as he is a trustee and contributes a lot there. Check them out!
Great interview
Really great. Thanks
Another great informative video. Great respect from Sofi and returned by Hilary who clearly enjoys her company and is relaxed and focused on giving us the information, knowing she will let him talk without butting in. Very well done with what you have. I do wish you had a sound person but you have gotten much better with movement and placement so we do actually hear what is being said. Nice to see those Panthers. Too bad neither had the 'Chin'. That, the newer flatter wheels, the clean no break barrel and the infra red gear and that is one very modern tank (Panther 'F' basically) for 1945. Still the Russians had the T 100's and JS III's ready for June 1945. JagdPanthers were clearly the best Panthers IMHO, my favorite armored weapon of all time. Panther speed, King Tiger gun, plus a lower silhouette and armor between the two other tanks frontally (no turret ring, less holes, longer range engagements) and if things go wrong you can bugger off fast as well. All this while being the most beautiful graceful silhouette of all.
OMG. I learn so much new stuff from this video.
Awesome!!!
I read somewhere that many experts consider the Panther G the best overall tank of the war. Great balance of armor, mobility, and a main gun that actually has more penetrating power than an 88 L56.
You know its really cool that you are manually adding the close captions to these videos so everyone can enjoy them 🤘 it's the little things, cause you don't even have to and I can stan for that :TheHarv:
another great video,, see you in World of Tanks
Thank you, that was interesting
I want to go someplace and climb in and on and work on tanks. I want to sit inside and listen to and smell the ghosts! Good video!👍
I'd like to hear more about the advanced torsion bar system and the problems encountered with it. Also engine reliability. Nothing like running your hand on the cold hard steel side armor of a Panther like I did at the US Army (Aberdeen, MD) Ordnance Museum. Beautiful chunky sloped armor. The Jagdpanther is the sexiest armored beast though. 💓
Well, this is what I know from sources that I think are about as reliable as Mr. Doyle here but my memory is a little rough... Torsion bars are great because they offer a very smooth ride for a fairly simple mechanical system. Issue is that if the bar itself breaks, replacing it is hell. You've basically got a metal rod running through the tank's floor that flexes as the suspension does its work. The Panther had the issue, just like many other german tracked vehicles aside from the Panzers I through IV, that it used an interleaving roadwheel system that meant if one of the inside wheels was damaged, the two other wheels outside it would also have to be taken out. Maintenance nightmare. The engine itself there was no big problems with, it was voracious for fuel however which limited the tank's action radius somewhat and also exacerbated the Wehrmacht's 1944-45 fuel issues.
Also to add to Erik’s comments, the issue with Panther reliability wasn’t so much to do with the engine as such but more with the tanks final drive unit (a series of gears that transmit power from the gearbox to the drive sprocket) these were originally designed for a tank that was much lighter and as a result, were one of the main issues with reliability.
@@flapsmcginty4039 Slave labor used in the production of the final drives probably didn't help the reliability issues, either.
@@flapsmcginty4039 Please lads, if U like the history do some reasearch effort in it. kzhead.info/sun/hcqydpelaoSgrI0/bejne.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_tank#Reliability #StopThegermantankswasunreliablemyths
Thank you for such a great video and comparison of the two versions. You are both a wealth of knowledge-- your questions and Mr. Doyle's answer work well together. After The Chieftain's video and books by Zaloga, I now wonder the "what if" of the Panther---- "What if they modified it by a) putting in an independent turret traverse motor, b) ditching that back hatch, putting a counterweight on the turret and moving the loader's hatch to the top, c) giving everyone rotating periscopes; gunner with one with a sight, loader, ass't driver, and driver, d) ditching the commander's hatch for a flip up one and e) a better, simplified transmission. " I don't think A through D would be that difficult, but it bears thinking about.
just as important as e) better transmission, would be f) easier access to the transmission for maintenance and replacement. seeing as the panther had to be practically disassembled.
Museums first priority is to preserve what they have against further deterioration. Second, they must decide which vehicles are good candidates for full restoration and choose which ones first. They are limited on resources. Donations and volunteers are a large part of the work. Though they have some knowledgable full time staff, paid. At least most of these are under a roof. Much better than out in the open as many have come from. And all have a thorough listing of their condition, thus a ranking as to someday being fully restored. Obtaining parts from around the world is not very easy. Often beyond a reasonable cost. Budget and donations, neither is really predictable.
Dude knows his stuff 😄👍
Now that's very interesting about the poison gas detector, did not know about that. Makes sense, the Germans had used gas weaponry against the Soviets periodically, so preparing for it to be used against them in return is logical.
I'm not aware of the Germans using poison gas on the battlefield anywhere during World War II. Of course they used it in extermination camps on Soviet prisoners, and possibly on Soviet soil.
I read a great alt fiction series a few years ago that changed thing up. Rather than the usual "Hitler dies, Himmler gets the A-bomb..." kind of book, it instead goes with "Hitler dies, Himmler gases London..." Which was an "oh, f**k" moment because that is a WMD that Germany had. Great storyline and I can't wait for the next book to come out.
The allies used similar patches on their vehicles
@@rayw3332 In Sevastapol they used toxic smoke to force resistance fighters out of caverns below the city. In Odessa they used asphyxiating gas in the catacombs, and around 3,000 Soviet soldiers and civilians in Adzhimushkay quarry were killed by gas.
@@vtbmwbiker There's a good one over on alternate history.com, the Anglo-American Nazi war. The war stalemates after the Soviet Union falls. Ceasefire for a few years, Hitlers Europe is developed to its horrific potential. War resumes with an attempt to hit the States. The US (having not used nukes on Japan) pours out the buckets of sunshine and invades Europe. Hitler dies. Himmler takes over. London gets hit with Tabun, so the UK retaliates with Operation Vegetarian. Germany ceases to exist as a functional nation soon thereafter.
I've always liked the PzKpfw V 'Panther' design, even over the various iterations of the more heavily gunned 'Tiger.' It's probably just me, but the sloped hull and turret armor seems to offer better protection even from shots coming in from the sides than the more vertical armor found in 'Tiger I.' And to me it simply is more esthetically pleasing to the eye. It's 75mm L70 main gun was no slouch at dealing out punishment as well although my friends while wargaming would prefer tanks and TDs mounting 88mm weapons. Mobility seems pretty good for a 40+ ton tank of that era. I could listen to Mr. Doyle all day, he is a treasure.
For everyone who doesn’t know, that... research facility(?) is sometimes open to the public. If you have the ability to go on base you’ll probably be allowed to look around. I went when I finished basic at C co 1-19th which is just up the hill and talked to the dudes working there for a couple of hours. I’m not a tanker but I still love tanks, they’re not as cool as mortars though 😜
So great to see these old fierce beasts in these videos! Sad to see them rusting away.
Question: Why are the outer roadwheels missing on this Ausf. G, I've seen multiple pictures now where this is the case. Always knocked out vehicles tho, where they removed afterwards by scrapper o.s or where they issued this way to save recources?
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jagdpanzer iv looks good with that new paint
Wish the vid was longer!! Love a 360 deg vid walk-a-round. Cheers!!
Many thanks for spanish sub !! 👍
Thanks for all the great videos, but one request you said “there was no point raising the issue” of the armored box I disagree, I did not know to the rear of the panther you had an armored box for the night sights so please next time point it out even if it is missing in it entirety. It’s a nice fact to know about. Thanks again.
Cool video. The Panther is such an interesting tank.
I'm a tough, unforgiving KZheadr, but the hidden return roller bit got me pressing the like button, lol.
I sure as heck didn't know there was a return roller. He knows these cats inside and out.
Today I learned that Panther had return rollers. LOL
One tuff tank
I did not know the Panther had a hidden return roller beside the drive sprocket! And the Germans scared of poison gas being used... ironic.
I remember looking at these tanks back in 2002 at Aberdeen proving grounds it looks like they restored the jagdpanzer iv/70 it would be nice if they restored both Panthers.
This Jagdpanzer-IV/70 was transferred from the Patton Museum in Kentucky, where in the early 2000s its staff had beautifully restored it to running condition. In fact they gave rides to people in the vehicle on the weekends (I used to watch them run it). Unfortunately, it's sadly actually deteriorated while sitting outdoors since it's transfer here to Fort Benning. Hopefully they'll eventually re-restore the vehicle sometime in the future.
Give the man a lapel radio mike! Interesting though.
Have to get there sometime ? would be nice ! if some effort would be made to era paint the tanks ! Go ARMY
The Panther Ausf G was in its original camo till the 1970s - it was very interesting because this vehicle was build in April 1945, weeks before the end of the war. The camouflage itself was only red undercoat and dark green added to it. When the vehicle was captured in Munich 1945 it was without any insignia or tactical number.
That’s great, and I’ve learned to tell the types apart!
dont live very far from ft benning , can i visit and see these tanks??????
Not at this time, but a new facility is on the way and there will be open houses in the future. They put updates on their social media pretty regularly for that, I'd recommend keeping up there.
@@Sofilein thank you!!!
@@Sofilein Noted about the new facility - will it be a full armour museum? Can we have an M1 for Bovington?
Mr. Doyle isn't exactly a giant. But seeing him in front of the Panther makes it obvious it was a very high profile tank. Which made it a pretty easy target for AT guns.
But if you put a Sherman next to a Panther, than you will see that the Sherman looks also very tall
@James White: Height is one of those trade-offs engineers and technicians have to make when designing these armored fighting vehicles. Height is advantageous for the commander in his cupola, in order to see the enemy and his surroundings better. Not to mention his own side. However, as you have pointed out, when high-velocity AT projectiles fill the air, lower and more-inconspicuous is better. Vehicle height effects crew comfort and therefore combat efficiency. Many post-WWII Cold War Soviet tank designs had very low profiles, but overdid things to such an extent that the main gun's ability to depress below horizontal was impaired, and crew comfort and ability to fight the tank was seriously hampered. Low is great for sloping armor, but makes certain other things tough to do. Regarding the Panther's size and height, hull-down fighting positions for tanks exist for a reason, right? If caught in the open, especially from the rear or on the flank - well, it wasn't a good day to be that crew.
a 'for real' expert.
Really sad to see them outside rusting, not surprising from Benning though haha
Interesting poison gift gaz ive read by late war the concern had ended
I wonder if it is possible to Mr. Doyle adopts me...
It's those small pieces of lnfo
Very crappy audio but still good
These panzers should be restored not sitting outside rusting away
Deutscher Stahl , sherman toy Vehikel.
Please explain NACC! Not all people know what this abbreviation stands for...
Is this the Panther Ausf G which was captured in Munich in May 1945? It was also a version with old gun mantlet and steelwheels on the last wheels? If it is, Than this Panther belongs to Panzergruppe von Hobe and this tank was produced by MAN in Nuremberg in April 1945. It was the only tank of this unit arriving Munich in the last days of war. When the Volkssturm was seeing the Panther tank, they first start to get their defense positions. It was told that the 45 Year old tank commander was jumping of the tank and told everybody that the tank is out of ammo and fuel and everybody should go home now and that the war is over. When the Americans captured the tank it was missing many parts of the tools and the radios (maybe stolen by some people from the city) Another interesting fact is, that this vehicle was in its original camo scheme till 1970s. The camo scheme was very simple - only red undercoat and dark green. When it was captured, the Panther had no Markings, insignias or tactical numbers.
I believe this is that hull..but that isnt its original turret. it originally had the squared mantlet, but that turret was put on the Panther II hull for some reason..
@@mikegreck2625 i would say its the original turret - if you look for the munich panther you will see pictures from this vehicle which also have a old gun mantlet. As far as i know it was a late production modell from nuremberg. Because of lack of parts they also used old parts in storage.
@@tobiasspitzer5047 you are right, im looking at it now
Looks like it would take a small army of restorers to fix up all the tanks at NACC.
Rather too short a video, surely there was more to say about these 2 Panthers. As per previous comments, its a shame the vehicles haven't been stored in full cover over the years and are in poor shape. Can't do much about missing parts. Sound quality could be better
The Ausf. G was in its original camo till 1970s - they overpainted it :(
A dedicated t-34 killer.
The best Tank of the World
Well no
I realize there will be trolls out and about, but I will say it anyway! Sofi is an attractive young women why go the "I tangled with a lawnmower look?
So what is fort Benning doing with these vehicles? Seems very sad to me that they just stored away when there are plenty of collectors who would love to restore them ?
I almost bought a Vampir about 8 years ago... I kick myself for not buying it..
"Metal sliding arrangement" in lieu of a return roller... Another way to wear tracks out and make the engine work harder. Anything that slides on another part is very bad engineering. They really were desperate, werent they? Maybe they figured the tank would likely be destroyed before it even had the chance to wear out.
That last sentence describes soviet gear and early u.s. bombers as well...
That return roller was only utilized when going in reverse. It was intended to prevent the track from wanting to wrap around the drive sprocket. When traveling forwards, the top section of track is taught, and it will never touch that return roller/skid.
Metal is easier to replace when you have a lot of it. Rubber was very limited during the war.
So it is only for driving backwards. Another thing to the topic of "engine working harder", this engine even powered the 30ton heavier Jagdtiger. Another thing: on t34s the track pins are only held in place because there is a piece of steel which beats the pin into the track every Time it comes along, that's why t34s are rattling this much. So we can see the soviets gave a fuck about sliding metals xD
do something with your sound equipment
You have few Panther but You dont have many to repair them to running condition. Maybe You can sold one of them to „Muzeum Broni Panncernej” in Poznan city in Poland?
Dürmo postroyena s etoy storoni i on prinadlezhit Vostoku.
J'irais bien visiter le musée des blindés de Saumur avec elle..😍
to much hmm !
Ребят! Интересно конечно.Переведите что он говорит, займитесь кто-нибудь озвучкой на русском.подписчиков думаю прибавится.
Спасибо, Ваш новый подписчик 👋
And a hearse going past nice, is there anything Hillary does not know about German AFVs
This is the last time I'll say this: invest some 20-30$ in lap mics!!!
Sound is terrible
What a disgrace in how bad of a condition those tanks are.