Toyota's NEW Diesel Technology Could be Coming to the TUNDRA...
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Toyota is playing with a new diesel technology that could very well end up coming to America.
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I already love the Tundra. Having a diesel engine and it being a dually would be amazing!!
Finally, been waiting on a diesel hybrid for years. We need capable and fuel efficient trucks, problem will be 50k for a tacoma
The diesel hybrids have been out for a long time, check out the Citroen DS5 for example
Exactly! diesel hybrid has worked for years for trains, why not trucks?!
@@micahc9509 guess its time now, will be a big seller
@@micahc9509 its a great idea and had been employed by the rail for decades, the trucks however would be too heavy sacrificing the payload therefore profitand so on,my opinion
Yup. The reason it hasn't been done more often is expense. Hybrid battery pack, diesel (especially in US smog form) are both expensive, making putting both in one vehicle cost prohibitive. With battery prices dropping, we may see it.
Imo the "clean diesel" is a greater breakthrough than the diesel hybrid for viability in the US.
VW failed miserably, and was sued here in the US for "tuning" their supposed "clean diesels", which was a sham. Hope this is really "clean" technology.
@@dennisgreene5885 Yeah but VW has always lied and will always lie. Now they claim their new Amarok will be 100% VW and have its own DNA... while it's just a rebadged Ranger. I remember diesel being a scandal because so many cars didn't meet the numbers. For example there was a test comparing a Mercedes Actros against a C-Class and the truck had fewer NOx emissions because the SCR was programmed to inject very little AdBlue in the C-Class so it could be refilled during servicing and not by the driver. Also I don't really believe Toyota's clean diesel is a breakthrough technology. They already call their 2.8L I4 in the Hilux a clean diesel and that is sold in Europe with the current strictest emissions standard "Euro 6d". Mercedes already has diesels for the upcoming extremely tough "Euro 7" standard for example.
What about a diesel hybrid sequoia 🧐
Europe loved diesel in the past, hates them after the Volkswagen Diesel scandal. The US on the other hand didn't pay attention to diesel but since the diesel scandal of Volkswagen, they discover it to be a nice way of saving fuel. What an irony! I personally like diesel engines, but they fit better for the US since the distances are longer to drive and a diesel engines should be driven a long time to get up to operating temp. Greetings from Switzerland!
Clean Diesel has been a hope and dream for many. Volkswagen wasn't their with their Clean diesel.. and they lie about giving a lot of people a bad taste and reputation toward Volkswagen and put diesel research and dev back many years. However, if Toyota can manage a reliable Clean Diesel.. I favor Diesel over Gas any day all day long.
Give us the damn oil burner already! Pickups and diesel are like PB&J. They just work.
Diesel LX and Diesel Tundra and Taco would be pretty sweet to own.
Up until this point we only had diesel mild and plug-in hybrids from the Germans and full hybrid heavy duty systems for actual trucks like Hino. Diesel full hybrids for SUVs and pickups would be crazy!
You really dont need over 300hp in a suv. Torque is the much more important factor. I have been saying for years why has noone attempted a diesel hybrid yet. Battery for super high city mpg and diesels get great highway mpg. I could only imagine if someone developed a 2.0-2.5 hybrid turbo diesel witb 250hp, and 400-500 ft lb of torque. 2.0(200hp and 400ft lb) base models and a bigger version of the same engine with 250hp and 500ft lb for upper trims. Lets be honest the 2.8L duramax gets 181hp and 369ft lb so i think if toyota worked with mazda and their skyactive diesels and implement their hybrid tech it is possible.
Like your thinking
Torque is king
Hybrid batteries are still expensive $7000+ for 9 years.
You don't see hybrid diesels very often because hybrid systems provide significant thermal efficiency benefits to gasoline engines, and almost no thermal efficiency benefit to diesel. Electric drive motors are typically most efficient when they're adding low RPM power. And that's where diesels already perform well. But when you add the electric to a gasoline engine - you can then operate the gasoline engine on an Atkinson cycle that lacks low rpm power (what some people think is called torque because of confusing marketing). By allowing that gasoline engine to run Atkinson cycle that has low torque but high horsepower It also can run near diesel thermal efficiency. And it does it much cleaner. And probably more importantly it's vastly more reliable. Modern diesels are terrible. They all are. The emissions equipment required to make them barely meet the minimum mission standards results in the engines being expensive and unreliable. The hybrid gas engines will soon out pull the diesels, be cheaper to operate because of all of the maintenance and repair costs of modern diesels, and probably get better mileage too. And this is coming from someone who owns an F-250 diesel. I know all about how much maintenance and repairs modern diesels require. And mine is bone stock. It's still has cost more in repairs to emission system components than every other car I have owned over the last 30 years combined. Most of those were Toyotas and Honda. But I don't think this is unique to Ford being a piece of s***. I think it It is simply a reflection of how unreliable the modern EGR and DEF systems are. They just can't make them work well for long periods of time. In short - diesel is dead in emissions restricted countries. Probably one more generation before it's dead everywhere and we quit using it. It's just too dirty.
You, my friend, are an absolute genius
Can we get an RIP in the chat for the AVALON. V unfortunate that it’s being discontinued after 2022 😔
Ripppppp
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Diesel electric has been working at least since submarines were invented. It is definitely the best solution for a combo of range/economy and ruggedness. I would definitely love either a Tacoma (although I wish we got the Hilux) or Tundra with either of these TT diesels or diesel hybrids. The problem for me would be cost. The diesel options here are so expensive you don't make any money back for years and years. Maybe a diesel electric might change that, but it would again be more expensive. For somebody like me, I cannot afford that option, despite wanting it. If I lived anywhere else I could get that TT 2.8 in a standard Hilux. Darn. If Toyota could find a way to make it affordable, for sure I'd want it.
MPG would be killer but cost would be super high.
My worries exactly...
I’m very excited about the prospect of a diesel hybrid! From a Norwegian perspective this could be what it takes for Toyota to bring the h300 series Hiace van here giving Toyota a three vehicle van lineup: the PSA derived Proace(mid-size) and Proace City(compact) and the all-Toyota Hiace. Fingers crossed!🤞😀
Do Norwegian even purchase combustion Engines Only 1/3rd cars sold in Norway had Engines
@@ayushk4099 That’s true. Due to generous incentives a very large percentage of new cars sold today are battery electric. This has caused a problem as the number of charging station built hasn’t kept up with the amount of electric vehicles sold. It will be interesting to see over time if this affects the market share of battery electric vehicles.
When I buy a Toyota I don't want Stellantis junk.
The old diesel LX was the 450d so I imagine with Toyota giving up on the displacement derived naming it will probably be the same as the gasoline version.
A non-hybrid, turbo-diesel in a new series Tundra 2500HD / 3500HD would be a great addition, for Toyota to finally compete with the Detroit trucks in the heavy duty sector. It always seemed strange to me that Toyota went to the trouble of building a dedicated truck factory in San Antonio specifically to build the Tundra, but then never offered an HD version. Maybe this time, eh?
@@paladin3116 actually there is a reason for non hybrid. No one wants spend thousands of dollars by the time at least one of the hybrid batteries go out and needs to be replaced
@@paladin3116 $.02 has been deposited into your account.
@@deandrej674 Same copy/paste ignorant complaint on hybrids, as long the car is driven the average amount of miles per year you will save more money than cost of the battery replacement. Toyota/Lexus hybrid batteries are going 150k-200k and some go even father. All you have to do is actual calculations not just saying blank statements. Now EVs are different, where the batteries are like 12k or teslas batteries that are 17k and no aftermarket options, you will never make back the money
HD pickup trucks are vastly different from half-tons. TNGA-F might not even support it.
@@paladin3116 People still buy non-electricfied even when given the option.
diesel turbo hybrid with crew max cab and 6.5-8' bed, sold
i sold my 2015 tacoma and my 21 4runner, thanks used market, bought a 08 v8 4runner to hold me over until 2023/4 whatever i gotta wait for the right powertrain
Thanks for the video. Curious if these all new engines (and transmission?) coming to 4Runner and GX next year - how reliable they gonna be? Or better wait for 1-2 years to see?
You are right that looking at the numbers, the hybrid diesel doesn't necessarily make sense for most consumers in the US from a Tundra basis. But, Toyota posting the diesel video definitely adds a lot of curiosity to the mix in regards to the 2022 Tundra. I guess we will wait and see.
If they do I'll totally love a diesel Tacoma
Redesign + hybrid + diesel = a truck nobody could afford.
It would be funnier if it weren't so true. Ouch.
people are literally buying $70-$80k new gen cummins
@@jake1842 And the automakers love it. Fattest profit margins ever.
If the 2.5L hybrid uses the A25A-FKS, which is a Dynamic Force engine, I imagine they would turbocharge it, because essentially a Highlander hybrid system (albeit with a more robust transmission) would be lacking in a vehicle like the Prado.
I have a hard time believing that a Toyota diesel will ever make its way over here with the US emission standards
New tech variable venturi injectors is the secret and Toyota owns the patent.
Hi Kirk. Awaiting your thoughts on the discontinued Avalon
That would be really cool! Unfortunately, I heard that the Avalon is being discontinued after the 2022 MY
I agree with that choice. It’s getting so expensive you might as well buy an ES. Plus the older crowd is really like compact SUVs as they are easier to get in abs out of. I know my grandparents just made the change to a fully loaded RAV4 hybrid for this reason.
@@slscamg the Es lacks a few things you would expect on a Lexus but you find on the Toyota. Heated rear seats, 4 way lumbar for the passenger, sequential turn signals, folding rear seats, larger mid gauge cluster and a much easier to use infotainment
Sedans are slowly disappearing.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q yeah. I don’t get why. Suvs or cuvs (or whatever hell they are even called) are forcing people to spend more money buying more useless things or excessive amounts of typical necessities so that they can fit them in the cargo area I personally prefer sedans over suvs because they are safer and more stable and these days, quite luxurious But thank god that vehicles like the Camry corolla accord civic etc won’t die anytime soon even with cuvs. Because if they did it would tarnish both brands
@@chezzyperson3339 yeah they are. But I hope the corolla civic accord Camry stick around forever. They are their best selling bread butter sedans
Thanks Great Video
OMG 😱 I would LOVE a diesel Prado/GX here in the USA especially if it combines their benchmark Hybrid powertrains
Love your analysis, Kirk. Love from Pakistan
Thanks!
This is what the Sienna should have been! Before VW scandal, Volvo was seriously considering a diesel hybrid setup as a means to increase mileage for some other vehicles.
Ram, Chevy, and Ford all tried the diesel in a half ton. Ford already discontinued it because nobody actually buys them.
That's because those who want diesel from those brand buy HD diesel.
@@KirkKreifels nope. They’re not cost effective. Do the math
They're not cost effective because for only a little bit more you buy a HD truck from them instead.
@@wsmcook they’re literally not cost effective compared to a gas.
Saw that diesel tech video on Toyota USA's KZhead channel two days ago. Very curious indeed 😉
I'm kinda worried the GX will be 4-cylinder only in the future. From glorious V8 to 4-cylinder, pain.
99% Toyota sold in India is Diesel
12:59 That's for an ultrasonic security sensor off(detects someone break into the car). It's common to lexus or luxury toyotas in Japan. FYI...
Good info here Kirk! diesel prospects very cool. What Lexus model if any other than the upcoming new NX has wireless Apple CarPlay! will the 2022 ES have it hopefully? I am looking for a new ES before the V-6 disappears..
Just NX, and 2022 LX I'm expecting
To get Diesel in America, they would have to produce the engines here. The reported Alabama plant expansion is heavy on V6 engines, nothing mentioned as to whether these engines will be gasoline or Diesel. This will allow them to avoid the Diesel import tariff.
There's a tariff on that??
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Certain imported products from certain countries. Not sure the particulars. What I do know is that Toyota no longer imports Diesel engines to the United States.
@@jeffwilliams6374 Lol when did they ever do that?
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 The Hilux Diesel was sold here in the US from 1984-1986. Forth generation.
@@jeffwilliams6374 Ah so a while ago.
The Tundra needs a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton option and that would go great with a diesel option.
The current tundra has the exact same size rear axle, bigger brakes, larger wheel bearings, a larger heavier transmission, and weighs only 500 lb less than my F250. Maybe it's already a close enough to a 3/4 ton?
Maximum payload for a Tundra as it stands is just over 1700 pounds. Payload for all three domestic 3/4 ton trucks is just under 4000 pounds to 4300 pounds. That’s a huge difference.
@@kessbuilds That's a function of the spring rate mostly. Soft springs for a soft ride and better off road capability. A tundra chassis is comparable to my F250.
True but for a guy like me that wants more towing and payload capacity that won’t matter when I’m at a scale and am fined for going over what my truck is rated for.
@@kessbuilds I've never heard of that happening. Must be different where you live. Any trailer over 10,000 lb other than the RV exclusion requires the DOT stickers down the side of the truck but it's pretty rare to see them on anybody's personal trucks. But also trucks under 26k lbs don't go through the scales anyway. So at least where I live, it's pretty hard to imagine any scenario where you would have a light duty truck loaded heavy enough to go through a scale. Even our gmc 5500 doesn't go through the scales. My F-250 is 2007, and the current F-150 has a higher towing capacity in every configuration of towing including fifth wheel - despite the much lighter build. When the tundra came out in 2007, it was every bit as capable as the 2007 F-250. It's just been on the market a long time. I just made the mistake of buying the f250. If I wanted to trade across now I'd need three f-250s to trade for one tundra. But as soon as the next one comes out I'm probably going to buy one. It is pretty hard to explain Toyotas ratings though. How is it possible that a 4Runner has a higher load carrying capability than a tundra? But on paper that's the case in a lot of configurations. I have a new 4Runner. It's a great all-around little SUV, but it is not built for hauling heavy weight in any sense. It can barely get out of its own way empty.
What about a diesel engine turning constantly on an off in a hybrid configuration? People that work with diesel engines always told me that starting then is when they suffer. Auxiliar electric oil pump to help cranking with system pressurized?
Yes this has me worried as well. But if the engine is running all the time, the battery will always be topped off to assist with acceleration in theory...I'm excited to see how Toyota pulls it off
I'd love to see Toyota's diesel offerings in America, in the Tundra, Tacoma and especially in the Lexus GX! Can you imagine these vehicles getting 30+ MPG (7.84L/100Km)?? At the right price point, they'd be flying off dealer lots.
Toyota’s 2.5L and 3.5L hybrid powertrain has been around since 2013ish in Japan. They were used on Toyota Crown, Crown Majesta. From 2015 onwards, 2.5L hybrid powertrain were used on Alphard, Vellfire.
Please, pleaseeee!!! Both the 4 cyl TDI and the 6 cyl TTD
4.5 diesel in the 200 series landcruiser and the 79 series land cruiser, are pretty good in towing and offroading, let's what's does the new 3.3 litre twin turbo diesel bring in on the table in Australia, due to bloody euro carbon emissions restrictions, the motor size is getting smaller which sucks, but the public want bigger loading capacity and towing capacity, diesel without dpf and egr were best and economical, but a hybrid diesel would be amazing to see, toyota is pretty reliable on their hybrid vehicles
In the Philippines, Toyota Prado is being sold with a choice of a 3.0 liter 163 PS diesel or a V6 275hp gas engine.
Diesel won't ever come here. Not with the emissions shit etc. I've been working for Toyota at one of the factories since 2005. I've heard rumors for a Diesel tundra literally from day one. I wouldn't hold your breath.
Toyota is killing the AVALON. Where is the video on that?
There have been diesel Toyota here in the USA before. I remember seeing diesel Camrys, corollas, and pickups name for a few years. I think the Camry turbo diesel was here for 1 or 2 years. The pickup to about 84. I delivered pizza in the early 90s with a guy who had an automatic ( !) Corolla Diesel. We had Mazda and even Nissan diesel cars and trucks here in the mid 80s.
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YES...if so, hopefully it will be competitively priced as well.
In Southeast Asia, the first model rumoured to have the diesel hybrid is the Fortuner. That means the Hilux and Innova will also have them.
Toyota has invest Rp 63 T or US$ 4.3 B in Indonesia to develop a diesel hybrid and build an electric car assembly plant for the asia-australia
Super! Thanks for sharing
A diesel hybrid’s make a lot of sense. VW was definitely heading that way for the Touareg and Cayenne and actually had a Audi configured that way. Sadly Dieselgate stopped all the development. If Toyota can introduce this technology it would definitely differentiate its products. For the Tacoma it would definitely allow it to out class the competition.
I wish toyota made a new vehicle with both front and rear solid axles
planning to get a tundra 2022 version when im 16, i am 14 and my dad said i have to learn driving a pass down stang from my brother.
Just seen that video on Toyota USA. Pretty hyped.
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It'll be a first. I do wonder if at all how Toyota can make a diesel an Atkinson cycle. For anyone interested in how a Toyota hybrid (Prius) works, one of the myriad ways it operates is by using excess torque from the engine as much as possible, either by capturing it by charging or by using that excess spin/torque to travel down the road. In this case, the engine can drive the car at high speed, the big electric motor can idle-regen and create enough power to spin in reverse the second, motor generator which interacts with the planetary gear drive - creating a high gear ratio upon the engine. Aka "super highway mode"
Do you think they will put the Hino Hybrid Diesel into their Tundra? Their hybrid trucks have been operating for a while.
My mind set on the new tundra either way. I’m crossing my fingers on a hybrid with a bit more power and tq. Probably gonna cost 60k. I think we will see a diesel though in the tundra .
Toyota used to sell diesel trucks in the US I saw an old Toyota truck Commerical the other day
Australia is behind in emissions so they got few years in catching up to USA, we don’t have power to supply full electric vehicles so this makes sense with Hybrid/diesel drivetrain.
Diesel Please!
Yass!
The 1981 Toyota Hilux did have a Diesel that was sold in USA, I believe from 1981 to 1983… They are very rare, but can be found…
Would love to see a a diesel Tundra here in Canada
Isn't diesel done for in North America?
That 2.8 Toyota diesel engine is the perfect swap for a 1st or 2nd gen discovery
Hybrid Diesel would be an excellend proposition here in the Netherlands!!👍👍👍
I’ve been wanting a Toyota Diesel Truck for 15+ years. I’d buy one today!
Hino has had diesel hybrid trucks in the US for years now, so it's not exactly new territory for Toyota
Surprise from Lexus?! It would be sweet to have a Lexus Pick Up truck based on the Tundra of course but with all the Lexus treatment.
I just don’t understand why they don’t make a BEV with range extender like the workhorse W50
Maybe I was born in the right era after all, what a dream! Edit: Except that I'm in Europe and everything is really expensive so the viable option for me would be a 15+ year old Audi 1.9 TDI which is in every way the opposite of this brand new Toyota clean diesel full hybrid system. I will need to change everything in the first half of the previous sentence.
Much more excited about toyotas hybrid ev technology and new frame tech than any diesel.
Toyota brings a diesel Toyota, I will buy it
Excellent
The thumbnail tho 😂
Fingers crossed!!!
I have a Toyota FJ Cruiser love that truck if Toyota give us a diesel tundra I would definitely will be getting one heck of if the Tacoma comes in diesel I’ll get a Tacoma.. and have the fj in the garage..
Gas or diesel?
Any diesel vehicle would be fantastic! I think Toyota should apply them the same way the old highlander hybrid was, a V6 and an electric motor. This combination would give you plenty of HP and torque and great mileage. I wouldn’t hesitate on getting one. Don’t get me wrong the new highlander gives pretty good mileage but I’m disappointed with the new power rating, especially if you tow anything at all.
I’d keep my Ram just to trade it in for a diesel hybrid tundra. Don’t mess this up Toyota!
Diesel hybrid Tundra? HELL TO THE YES
Wait, what do you mean unrealistic expectation?
Yess
Yes to diesel!
Oh and bring a 4x4 TDI HiAce to the US, no more sprinters!
Tacoma enthusiasts have been asking for a diesel for at least a decade, if not longer. So, I'm not holding my breath.
If Toyota is going after the burgeoning (exploding?) overland market in north America, I can't think of a more ideal drive train for that. Range and electrical power from such a system would be amazing.
With gas prices skyrocketing now we need a fuel-efficient tundra more than ever
There have been rumors bubbling about Tacoma’s/4runners/tundras getting diesel for the last 4 years. They may have been true?
This video concentrated on the diesel/hybrid technology, but glossed over that Toyota appears to be adopting ducted fuel injection in the diesel engine. Sandia Labs here in the U.S. have been working on that for several years--ducted fuel injected diesels burn so cleanly that they don't need either diesel particulate filter or DEF aftertreatment. That's HUGE, and if Toyota makes it work in their new diesel engines, it will revolutionize diesel power. You have to ask why the American automakers have not embraced ducted fuel injection--probably because they make big profits selling and servicing the several thousand dollars of DPF and DEF emission junk on every current diesel road vehicle sold in the U.S.
Thanks Kirk….now I’ll wait for David’s (Automotive Press) response…..😜😜😜
Lol, me to.
Curious why toyota doesnt offer a diesel in their trucks before this… we had diesel hiluxs, fortuners and prados for.. pfft.. almost 2 decades? The latest, most potent, diesel powerplant is the 2.8 inline4 turbo, good for 200hp and 500Nm torque. I mean… im sure theres finer details to address, but i dont really see whats stopping that 2.8L inline4 turbodiesel from becoming a 5.6L V8 twin turbo… just sayin.. put that sort of firepower in the tundra and it can tow an container ship (maybe)
If Toyota brought out this new diesel powertrain for the Tundra it would be amazing. Even better is NO DEF! If there is anyone out there that can do this, it's Toyota. I think these trucks would sell VERY well, they just need to be careful with the price. I mean, there are already a ton of people willing (and doing) to drop $70+ on a truck!
Hell yeah I want a Plug In Hybrid Twin Turbo Diesel V6 Massive Fuel economy with Mass amount of Power and TQ.. be a super long lasting engine.. who don't want that?
Toyota not only had diesel on its trucks and big suvs but even in cars The corrola , rav4 etc. All had diesel engines until recently when it was all cancelled I still see a chance for Toyota to put the new 3.3 diesel v6 in the tundra and the LX in America It's a shame yourll did not taste the 4.5 tt v8 Imagine that in the tundra
Don't forget the Lexus IS diesel too!
Kirk for president!
Yup
there's really no market it yet because most of their vehicles can be handle with gasoline engines.
The diesel version of the LX will be call the LX500d and the hybrid version of the LX will be the LX750h with 358kw and 871nm this engine is probably the other engine that will be available in the tundra.
8:36 Yea some ass hat did that to me on my motorcycle, the next light a cop pulled that guy over and me! The cop just used me to dress down the kid in the truck. Needless to say he got his mom called on him. I chuckled.
Stuff like that my buddies would do in high school 🤦♂️