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CHAPTERS
00:00 INTRO
00:26 The problem with my favorite knife
01:29 The secret review a review within a review
06:15 My favorite knife review (This is bad don’t watch it)
07:52 THE CONE OF TRUTH
09:23 Hardness results for Spyderco CPM-REX45 & CPM-M4
09:20 Why not test s110v?
11:51 the review gets worse
13:50 This all may not matter…
Thanks to Jerad → www.youtube.com/@NeevesKnives/featured for contributing some knives and commentary for this, and future videos! Check the description for links to his channel and things mentioned in this video😉 Thanks Friends!
The Veneve 3x8 regular and Dragon are available in Europe and the Poltava resin bonded, and metal bonded. If you are willing to wait about a week for shipping (could be only a few days also depending on the carrier).
I own Venev, Nanawa, Columbia Gorge and Poltava. Venev, very good. Nanawa, better, but more expensive. Columbia Gorge too soft to use edge on. Poltava Metal Matrix CBN, Vastly superior to any of them. There is olne other, the BBB Stones but at 400 bucks +, and mostly obtainium. out of the uunning. Jerad of Neeve's Knives just tested the Poltava CBN and found the same. KnifeMaker/Medically Retired after over 47+ Years in the Craft and in association with the orginial Loveless Shop
@@michaell397 interesting, i dont like my naniwas as much as the venevs. How old are your venevs? I believe they changed the resin at some point.
Go to wisemancompany and search for the fang or 5x5 combat solutions and you can get pocket flippers for the manix 2. I have both and highly prefer the fang over 5x5
Bro…I’m not just saying this… I’m a KnifeTuber myself…This is the best knife channel on KZhead right now. It’s not even close.
Hey I appreciate that! Just having fun making videos in my garage. Thanks my friend 🙏👍 Just subscribed 👍
Alex is such a great asset to the community, lets hope he doesnt go anywhere
Both of you guys are!
I'm glad you'll teamed up. One legend = good. Two = better.
He and JDavis us how I got into proper sharpening
@@tariqkamil7853 bro jdavis is OLD school. An interesting story though about why he disappeared.
@@OUTDOORS55 yeah, kinda know why John quit. He was the first person I interacted with on KZhead. U were the 2nd, and I still follow both of u and OCD4edc, Jered, and ZACH for ur content. Others I followed when first gettin into knives and sharpening to absorb as much info as possible. BTW John steered me to have a look at the Benchmade 940…and basically killed the knife search/search addiction. And yes I have 4 940s 🤣
Damn, bruh, you have been pumping out videos like crazy recently. I'll take it as a sign your health is back on track.
I love the humor u put 8nto your videos. Its what got me started watching you, which has also started my journey in sharpening.
Thanks my friend 🙏👍
Venev industrial diamonds is located in Russia. You can't get them easily because of sanctions. You need parallel import in your country with 3rd party to get theese and "licensed" as 3rd coundry production to avoid sanctions. It is basically counterfeit as it is because US citizens are prohibited to buy ANY made in Russia good. That's also the reason why Shirogorov knives are very rare to see in US. UPD: I live in Russia and i can buy theese stones for like 24 dollars a piece.
Single-handed opening/closing is the most important thing for me as well in any tool knife, as my other hand would be often occupied by whatever I'm cutting like cardboard, twine, or whatnot.
sure i could plan ahead, but knives are for when we already deep in the project.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!!!! I'm left handed too!
To each their own but I close my back lock spydies with one hand. Thumb on the lock, index finger as far up on the handle as you can and just let it drop. The choil lands on your index fingers and you close it the rest of the way, whether that's pivoting the knife in your hand and finish closing with your index finger or just flick it shut the rest of the way.
Wanna race😉👍
That's how I close my back lock spydercos as well.
@@OUTDOORS55bring it lol
The knife in the video isn't a backlock, what are you guys talking about
@@jamess3241 watch the whole video bud
Hey Alex, I just wanted to thank you very much! I was able to learn how to sharpen my knives on your videos. Even more important, I was able to overcome the learning plateau and now I can feel if my angle is correct. For me you wrist fixing advises were the most useful and required the most of my attention! Thank you! :)
same here 😊
Spyderco's midlock is really easy to one hand open and close once you get used to it. My opinion may be different because while I have owned a few larger examples, I only regularly carried the delicas, matriarch, and my favorite summer lightweight won't pull my shorts down knife the calypso Jr super blue. Which BTW is pinned construction, extremely light, holds a great edge and is pretty easy to open, close, sharpen, hone, and strop.
Great video as always Alex. Keep em coming.
Great vid! I have been really liking a lot of Spyderco lock backs lately. They don't close as easily as the compression lock or ball bearing locks but I have really gotten used to the way they close and can do them one handed. It just takes for me to be aware of where my fingers are placed in the path of the blade. I try to get them up high as close to the riccaso as possible so that part of the blade will fall onto my knuckle rather than a sharpened portion, then I'm able to reach the blade and close it the rest of the way, all with one hand. When you get used to it it's actually kind of fun. It has its own fidget character that I have learned to love
Thank you for what you do.
I have the Rex 45 manix so I’m glad to see it do so well on the hardness test. Hope you’re feeling well. Keep the videos coming and thanks!!!
Hello sir! Absolutely love the videos and you do a fantastic job of explaining not only the process of making things sharp, but WHY it happens as well. The material science behind it is fascinating. I had a question these stones - I currently have a full set of the Orion diamond stones and I have the Orion cubed Resin CBN stones on the way. I figured I'd get some hands on experience with both sets to feel the differences between the two stone types myself, but wondering if you have experience between these two stones, as the CBN stones are even more expensive. Thanks for all you do and am loving the more frequent uploads!
Dude your vids are such good entertainment along with info. Your natural sense of humor makes it work. Take care.
Great video! I regularly tell people my favorite feature of my OTFs is how easy they are to close and put away, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks about closing knives when they choose them.
Glad to see your videos popping up more frequently again. I never miss an upload. Have you tried the paramilitary 2? The conpression lock is just tried and true and the pm2 hasnt let me down going on almost a decade now. You've got me looking for a manix 2 to try out. I almost pulled the trigger earlier this week too but bills :(
Great video, Alex. You are super entertaining. Dude, i can't wait to see all of the knives Jerod sent for u to check out.😮 From following you for the last 4yrs or more you are the person that turned me into a mega Spyderco fan boy. 200 Spyderco's and increasing. See you in the next one.
Hey Alex, great video. I appreciate you sharing. Your videos are very helpful.
fixed blade + nice sheathe > any folder < boxcutter
I love my Spyderco Enuff 2 in VG10. Live in GA and work part time in a kitchen on the weekends, and a UPS store during the week. Being in a high humid state, working around food, and cutting boxes upon boxes all week long I opted for the more rust resistance blade. (also comes in K390) I LOVE THIS KNIFE!!! No locking mechanism to fail, fixed blades FTW! It is slimer than most folders, making it my go to EDC almost every time. Looking to get a button lock knife next, but cant decide, lot's of competition out there right now on the market. Thank you for this "not a review" video.
Yes the button or slide button loacks are very easy for drop closure but mid locks and frame locks are also super easy is you depress the lock to disengage and then simply push the back of the blade closed against anything you wish such as the pocket. leg or whatever. A little practice and its quick, safe and very simple
Oh, the Venev Stones... Wow... Just wow... I am pleasantly surprised that those are selling in USA and are getting some love in the USA. Those are Russian made by "Venev Industrial Diamonds" factory. They are made for special hand sharpening machines, but work for hand sharpening too. Here in Russia I have bought the 7/5 one for 40 USD.
yep. That's surprised me as well. But we all (i mean knife users all over the world) must admit quality of Venev Diamonds.
glad you're better, keep'em coming
I guess we all go through changing seasons of preferences. At one point we probably swore by back locks and how sturdy they were, then suddenly found ourselves spending silly money on compression locks, only to spend even more silly money on button locks, then somehow craved stability and became fix bladers and we cleared out our drawers only to rediscover our first love for slip joints. Ahh... the struggles of knifers.
Thanks for this info! I picked up the same Rex 45 Manix 2 and it's a regular carry for me. One handed open/close makes total sense depending on how often you're using your knife and under what conditions. Like I imagine most folks doing some kind of construction or trades need that because you're on a ladder, holding something against a wall, down on the ground, or otherwise have one hand tied up and you can't use both for closing the knife. OTOH, if you're using the knife in a more standard standing/sitting setting, or only using it a few times a day, it's less of an issue. Wishing you the best with your health!
Alex I'm glad you pointed out the problem we lefty’s have in a right handed world. I fully agree that a how a knife closes safely..is just as, if not more important than how it opens. Liner locks and back locking knives are the bane of my existence! 😆 Cheers from Nova Scotia…MikeR.
For some rei dont mind liners or frame locks as much. I can still close them pretty easily. The back locks i just can't manage as easily 🙂👍
indeed. Lefty on right handed world is some sort of upside down living. I'm 33, but i still have troubles with scissors, liner locked pocket knives, and a gun's safety flags. When I saw Alex, the left handed Spyderco fan, i thought "This man has the same trouble. Watch how he solve 'em"
12:14 - "i dont know why im angry" rofl .... relatable.
Someday you can easily buy these plates (and of course better, based on OSB bond). But today, you can review the resin-bonded alternatives from Japan - Naniwa-produced diamond plates, and NSK Kogyo diamond plates.
Wow! Good man Jerad! Hope you'll like that Vosteed and others 😊
I’ve encountered that problem and solved it by grinding the internal “heel” of the blade. This acts as a stop bumper when closed. Grind it a bit and the blade will close further without messing with spine of the blade.
They rivet things!!! Two things I want in a knife, single handed ooeration and the ability to dismantle, fix, tune and clean. Especially after cutting food, fruit and dead game.....
The Endura 4 in zdp-189 has been my edc for two years and as long as you move your index finger high enough on the frame you can pretty easily close it one handed without injury to your finger.
This was a brilliant review! Also, couldn't stop laughing at 12:13
Dude you are so good at this. Years ago when I first started tubing I found your channel and you did great comedic stuff while delivering good info about my interests. I really like close-ups…as they helped me grasp concepts. I wish you well and good fortune. And know…all that you have created will linger…probably as long as people do. Like a joy providing echo bouncing through Observable Reality. There…about 2 sentences too long…this makes 3. Cheers
Thanks, Really appreciate the feedback! And thanks for taking the tome to watch🙏
Great video mate!
Another great video, Alex! One would think they would want to make more stones when they sell out this fast. Anyway, it looks like you're feeling better. Goofing around like that. Good deal.
Don't know why, but this is my favorite video of yours yet. Great job.
Really love your content!! Greetings from Germany💚🤘
The Manix 2 FRN with the rivets was one of my first good knives. I ended up giving it to my brother since it wasn't seeing much pocket time (probably in part because it was eating pockets), but I've almost pulled the trigger on a new one so many times. I got the Shaman thinking it would be similar but with the compression lock, but it's really not the same. Very nearly pulled the trigger on a new one a couple of times now.
Okay .. bro , the rap beat drop at 7:40 while unveiling the M4 Manix Makes this video a certified classic In my favourites forever ♾️ 🔥
I drop all my mid backlock spydercos to my finger against the choil on the stretch 2 or the flat at the ricaso as long as they're broken in enough to drop, then move my fingers and pointer finger slap it closed. Being lefty and buying knives for 40 years has put me in the position that I only buy stuff I want and that functions well left handed. I prefer lefty CRK's or ambi locks for sure, now.
I like my balisong (butterfly) daily carry. It's super convenient for one handed operation, and it doubles as a very sharp fidget device.
The lw manix 2 imo have better lock up and less blade play issues than the non lw version. Rex 45 lw I'd a beast.. Paired with the original goat scales..still waiting for mine.
Ayo! you're left handed too?! That's awesome! I've been wanting to get a Manix 2 with the clear blue hand but I just dont do enough knife things to warrant going over the 50 dollar range for an EDC. (and have too many other expensive hobbies.) Might look around and see if I can find any deals.
I'm more of a bugout guy personally. But I guess it's really a matter of preference between thumb stud vs thumb loop.
Spyderco not only does a great job on their heat treat, they delve deep into exotic steels. My Manix in Maxamet is riveted.😢 Try the button lock CJRB Frack with titanium scales in S90V. Unreal. Fast and smooth opening and closing. My personal favorite from the last year of all the folders purchased.
The only Mannix to not yet get upgraded to screw construction. I'm sure they'll get to it soon, and I'll be waiting on that day lol
I realy felt in suspense at 10:03 ... I cant wait for the bog reveal.
A great place to get Venev stones is Gritomatic. They also have a handy chart showing how different grit ratings compare (FEPA-F vs JIS vs .....) And is that a Kizer Drop Bear at the end? Their crossbar lock with the adjustable tension seems like a brilliant next step for that type of lock.
Gritomatic and Hapstone have some Venev stones
Manix 2 and Manix 2XL are some of my favorite knives
Lol. Excellent video!!! Yes, Venev are awesome, have some of them (double faced). Did you tried PM2s? They have some left handed models, you can switch blades if you want to... Great content my friend!!
Yes i have one👍
Awesome video .. looking better , keep it up
Thank you for sharing all your knowledge, experience, and expertise with us!
The most important pocket knife feature is TIP UP CARRY and one hand open/close. Also, You can depress the backlock enough to shake the blade down with your finger at the choil and then close it one handed. That is what I do with my endela in k390.
Of course you CAN close it one hand. Just not as easily👍
great video you made me laugh out loud a couple times.
Alex, I totally agree it's very important with a folding knife that it's easy to close, but I'll add a caveat to that... I want it easy to put in your pocket as well. I hate it when the pocket clip doesn’t flare out far enough on the end to easily get it to slide over the pocket opening. As far as ease of closing... that's why I don't use lockbacks as EDC. I also think it's important, though, how easy it is to open the knife with one hand. Beyond that, how it fits in your pocket, and how it feels to use. Just like you, I am left handed and so find it difficult to find knives that are a perfect fit. Some have thumb studs on only the right side, or the liner lock (or frame lock) goes the wrong direction to make it easy for left handers.
You can absolutely close a back lock knife one handedly without putting your fingers in the path of the blade. It takes a bit of practice and is undoubtedly slower and more fiddly, but it can be done. Step one. From a standard grip move the knife until your fingers grip the bottom of the knife and your thumb is on the back lock. Step two. Reverse the knife by moving it towards your fingers until it is held upside down in a standard hammer grip. The edge should at this point be facing out. Step three. Move the knife until your thumb is on the back lock, with your index finger on the pivot keeping the knife securely in your grip. Step four. Actuate the back lock with your thumb and apply gentle pressure to the blade with the heel of your hand. The goal is to only just disengage the lock to allow freedom of movement, but not close the blade. Step five. Now you can close the knife however best suits the knife you are holding. It can be reversed or rotated and closed with the fingers or thumb. At no point do the fingers need to be in the path of a moving blade Do I advocate this method? Not really, but with a bit of practice it is certainly possible. I offer this guide in the hope that it might come in useful to someone out there. I also accept your experience may vary given different hand sized and blade geometries. For reference in order to practice as i wrote this i used a Spyderco Byrd Cara Cara 2 i think
Wow! So THAT's how the Spyderco Harpy came to be... Not the origin story I was expecting, but ok. Great video Alex - good to see ya doing your thing as usual bro. Have a great day!
That locking mechanism looks similar to the Benchmade axis lock. I think I've seen a few other manufacturers with similar mechanisms. The mini griptilian was my favorite knife and EDC for several years, loved the axis mechanism. Maybe there are other designs that might meet your ambidextrous, one-handed open & close requirements.
Venev stones? I have those! They are actually very easy to get... If you're in Russia. And considering the current events, yeah, exporting those is quite an issue. And they're still not the cheapest, $20-50 for a single grit stone, and they mostly produce them for knife sharpening systems, not for free hand sharpening. The downside is that they aren't usually perfectly flat out of the box and require additional preparation. Basically, you'll need to get a stone for your stones.
The endura 4 was my first real knife. I remember using a couple of different ways to open/close it with one hand and got pretty good at it. Then one day I realized I could just keep my fingers in the same place (as long as they're not really low on the handle), use my thumb to unlock and let the blade fall until the unsharpened part below the sharpening choil get stopped by my index finger, then partially open my fingers to get out of the path of the blade and let it drop the rest of the way. It's really easy, quick, effective, and satisfying in its own way. Definitely more than I'd thought it'd be.
i agree with the backlock problem i have a spyderco C36GOR it's a framelock, and one day as i'm making feather stickes, i pushed the lock and and the blade i had sharpened 2 hours ago up to 4000 grit came down like a guillotine on my fingers and caused me a very nasty wound that took 3 weeks to heal
I like the manix 2, but I find it takes quite a bit of effort to pull the ball-bearing lock. I've found that their compression locks take a little less effort, they also meet your easy to close requirement.
I love my Ontario Utilitac II. I've had it for over a 12 years now and it still works amazingly and it's the best single hand open/close knife I seen. I honestly just wish I bought another one (without black paint on the blade) to have as a backup... Tired to get one from few stores that said they are capable of getting it, but in the end the order just got canceled :(
When I got my manix I looked at the tip and noticed it was really close to the handle and sometimes my shirt will catch on the tip, I was also wondering how long it would take to come out of the handle like your knife. The manix 2 is still my favorite knife! It's something you have to buy if you want a knife.
Whats your thoughts on a 1x30 belt sander with a leather strop. I have a leather belt ordered. Im gonna try
Just about to watch this, occured to me yesterday that if attending blade show good place to approach manufacturers informing them you have youtube channel and would perhaps appreciate supplied samples for online reviews.
That Shapton 5000 macro was 😘, you can just get lost looking at the scratch pattern difference. Once a knife can close easily for me with one hand, I'm good. I don't need the speed too much. Never used a knife with that thumb slide locking mechanism before. Looks interesting.
I'm right handed so I have a high preference for compression lock knives for exactly the same reason: it's the quickest, safest knife to go back in my pocket after I'm done cutting the thing I need to cut so I can continue the task at hand.
I bought the diamond resin bonded stones in a few different grits and shapes years ago and they are very nice for knives with hard to grind steels. I swear the fewer passes I have to make, the crisper the edge as long as I don't drop the ball stropping.
Crisp is the word for sure👍
I’m with you on the ease of closing knives. I still rank ease and speed of opening higher than closing, but closing is still very important. So far my favorite mechanism for both actions is the Super Lock in the CIVIVI Vision FG. 100% ambidextrous, and super-fidgety. Even cooler than crossbar style locks.
I know without watching what stones Alex is talking about in this video. You know how? I'm a channel member =) And you should be, too (it costs almost nothing btw). Support the guy!
Haha thanks my friend 😉
@@OUTDOORS55 Man, I just reached the part where you say can't close an Endura with one hand. But you totally can Relax the screw just a little bit so the blade can fall down freely. When the knife is opened, move your point finger forward closer to the blade. Then press the lock with you thumb and catch the falling blade on it's blunt part with you point finger, so the angle between the blade and the handle is ~90-110°. Then just move all your fingers away from the blade and finish closing the knife while putting it away into your pocket. It sounds scarier than it is =) I do it for 20 years with this knife, zero accidents Not as convenient as Manix, I agree, but still pretty good I hope my chaotic explanation makes sense
I got the uncoated M4 BHQ Manix 2 Lightweight. I’m pretty sure it was the last version of the knife with riveted construction. I really wish I waited for the coated version you got. Oh well, still a great knife.
Hi, can you share how you flatten your kuromaku ceramic stone ? I saw your video of flatten your whetstone but is it the same with ceramic ? Does a lower and finer grit have difference methode of flatten ?
The Venev 1200 says it has 2,5µm diamond particles according to the info I found, which definately makes them closer to 4000 than 1200 grit.
I definitely agree with the ability to close a knife one handed as a priority, that's why I'm usually carrying a manix 2 or a Benchmade 940.
Man please just get another manix 2 😭
Regarding the grit: As indicated by the F in front of the grit number, it's in the FEPA (Federation of European Producers of Abrasives) grit system. Most sharpening stones are in the japanese JIS grit system, you can find conversion tables online. It is not just times 3! A few examples: 150 FEPA = 150 JIS = 82 micron 320 FEPA = 600 JIS = 30 micron 400 FEPA = 1000 JIS = 17 micron 1000 FEPA = 3000 JIS = 5 micron 1200 FEPA = 4000 JIS = 3 micron 1500 FEPA =6000 JIS = 2 micron 2000 FEPA = 8000 JIS = 1.2 micron
Love everything you do. Please can you do a "how to sharpen a convex edge"?
Could someone explain what I was looking at and what he was talking about with the number "65" when looking at the "cone of truth"? I'm going to assume 65 is the HRC or hardness, but what is the image we are looking at?
Immediately getting a Manix lol. Great video
You can look at the hardness charts from other Spyderco s110v knives. I forget off the top of my head but 59 to 61 is likely the range.
My Native Chief Rex 45 was tested 67,5 HRC. Anyway, love my lightweight Manix 2
Cold steel tuff lite as handy as the Spyperco Manix at 1/3 price yet handles identically. The blade shape and handle make them both and the cold steel has the better lock and quicker sharpening/touch ups. Good options for presents, work sites, or scattering among kit at the better price. Can close onehanded no fingies in way just retract hand or reverse it and use heel of hand when stiff in early days.
QUESTION: Hello Alex, I see you use a strop with diamond compound 6, or 2 µm - I remember my hairdresser from long time ago using wax for his razor strop; his strop consisted on a leather strap with one end attached to the wall; he used it by holding and pulling on it with his left hand, and stroping the blade with his right hand. You are recommending a leather strap affixed to a flat surface. Do you know what rationale explains these different uses and processes?
venev stones are nice, i really like them. have you heard of super vitrified diamond stones? they are even harder to get and also cost quite much, but some say, they outperform venev.
I'm sure you already know this, but they make the paramilitary 2 in a left handed version. Have you tried it? The compression lock they use is my favorite style on any knife I've owned and also by far the fastest for me to open/close.
Also just got the m4 manix 2 from blade hq! I upgraded the handle to some AWT scales in tequila sunrise and it's looks soooo much better
Ugh I wish he wouldn't have shown it. Gonna be sold out before I can get one now.
Axis lock for the win in the opening/closing action of a knife. But I don't buy Benchmade knives, so I'm happy that others are making that style now.
Can you do a video sharing what you think of all the knife sharpness testing methods you’re aware of, including the cutting calibrated plastic wires on a scale (Best brand?), paper towels, folded sheets of paper, and this new one I just saw with a diagonal cut through rolled paper? Link in my reply to this comment.
Would you recommend the Veneer 1200 or 1500? I have the tan EE DMT stone which, micron wise, should be the equivalent to the Venev 1200. But Im sure quality wise the Veneer 1200 would be a huge improvement. Or would it not be and then I should get the 1500?
1.) Love the edits 2). Love the lack of edits 3.) is that a crack in the scales on the manix2 at @7:50
Haha yes...it came like that😬 I didn't notice it till i took some pictures and saw it in the picture. You win some you loose some🤷♂️
At least OG has some good looking scales for the Manix2.
@MikeyD8716 awt is better looking in my opinion. And cheaper
@@larshoneytoast722 what’s AWT?
Even in Russia it is quite hard to get a set of those diamonds. I've got mine at the blade show in St. Petersburg
When this happens to my slipjoints I just adjust the point that interfaces with the stop pin or back spring to determine how far inwards the blade sits. Surely there was a way to do this here as well?
Hi, i have some question 1. Do i need to form a burr each time i change my stone ? For example i already form a burr each side from coarse stone and i want to progress to finer stone. Do i need to do the same thing again ? Or i can just try to polish the scratch pattern ? 2. How do you flatten or maintenance your kuromaku stone series ? I hope its not stupid but i try to use the cheap aluminum oxide stone with my kuromaku. Thanks in advance i currently working in meat industry as slicer and i really need to maintain my knife but im just a beginner.
Have you tried the Manix 2 in MagnaCut? I'm curious about your impressions
Would like to see you try the edge lro diamond matrix stones also