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Things I used in the video:
► QSW-M3216R-8S8T: www.qnap.com/en-us/product/qs...
► TS-462: www.qnap.com/en-us/product/ts...
► Plus 10Gb Add in card: www.qnap.com/en/product/qxg-1...
► QSW-2104-2T-A: amzn.to/46IfsXJ (affiliate link)
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► Broadcom NIC: www.ebay.com/itm/355009228389
► Inspur NIC: www.aliexpress.us/item/325680...
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Timestamps:
0:00 Another terrible intro
0:10 Nexode RG Charger from UGreen (Sponsor)
1:45 Adding 10Gb to my Home Lab on a budget
2:20 10Gb Switches
4:16 10Gb NICs
5:23 Cable
6:19 Setting up switches
7:12 Testing NICs
12:10 Testing it out on my NAS
12:43 Things got HOT
18:16 Final tests
20:56 10Gb is actually somewhat affordable
Actually being limited by the drives is kind of nice, it just means that it is more or less just as good as having the drives installed locally, but with the added benefit of the drives being available to multiple computers.
+ added latency, network always adds latency.
@@RobinCernyMitSuffixhalf the senior developers I've worked with are incapable of processing this thought.
@@magfal then they are only senior in age ;) Also, network adds IOPS limitations too
@@RobinCernyMitSuffixIt's negligible in vast majority of cases. If critical, don't do it. For 😢vast majority of people, they won't even notice.
@@RobinCernyMitSuffixlatency in LAN? Are you seriously concerned about microseconds here?
FYI it took us ~5 years to go from 10/100 to cheap gigabit in the home But we've been stuck on gigabit in the home for almost 20 years, when businesses moved to 40G over a decade ago, and are already on 400G To me, we should have cheap 10-28G as ubiquitous at this point. The fact that gigabit has stayed around the same price for so long is criminal to me.
tbf, rarely do one need 10gb, transfer in the home is mostly rooter to pc, not a lot of people have nas or anything extra on the network, and gigabit is not limiting at all for internet use
@@neolordie Well, gigabit was way more than necessary when it came to consumers too.
@@FAB1150gigabit but who really need 10gig?
@@neolordie Speak for yourself, i have also Nas for Plex, What do you think how many time you must wait before 4Tb is backupped, on 1G, more than a day, of course you must also have fast storage, Mac mini have fast storage, So do my Qnap 464. For internet it is not a problem.
Wake me up when we have affordable 2.5g / 10g managed switches.
Yeah that'll be cool when we get there. Affordable and unmanaged is still nice though
Unmanaged you can get half the price haven did
If you can accept fiber than MikroTik is your path: CRS310-8G+2S+IN for 219 USD or CSS610-8G-2S+IN for 119 USD or CRS305-1G-4S+IN for 149 USD. If you want more 10G ports here you have CRS309-1G-8S+IN for 269 USD.
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Great work as always. I purchased a QSW-2104-2T-A to upgrade from 1G to 2.5/10. I installed new wire for the single 10G run from NAS / switch rack to my main PC. But I have had success with 2.5G over my existing old timey unshielded cat 5 (no bloody e!) cable that I installed in the late 90s. Runs are only 20-40m but it all works.
10GBASE-T NICs get HOT! If you're strapping a fan to the card, it's a good idea to disable temperature control for the fan header and set a constant speed. As the fan controller can't see the card's temperature, it can set the fan speed too low to cool it properly. I had this problem with an X540 and designed a PCIe card fan mount with an inbuilt controller. I could send you one if you'd like?
I should’ve said something in the video, but those fans are just on a set RPM. There’s no curve. But that sounds like a really cool solution you made!
Ignore the haters and the elitists. It's a "home" network after all. When you get a dedicated staff (assuming you don't already), then you can worry about satiating your enterprise networking constituents. I would call it good for now. Still a great video though. It's nice to see the availability factor and working with stuff that's not 100% perfectly compatible. Getting it working "good enough" is sometimes the best one can hope for.
I appreciate this, haha
Well done... glad you got 10G all setup and working.
Nice to see you finally out of the dark ages of networking :D Just kidding! My home lab still has a 10/100 switch in it, and I am still running 10/100/1000 NICs, but now you've made me wanna get off my butt and actually installing the upgraded hardware I have!
Hahaha I feel ya. Honestly 100Mb is plenty for a lot of things. I always find it funny when people complain about not having gigabit on a device that will never need it
I don't have a 100Mbps switch, but I do have some runs that are 100Mbps because I 'split' the CAT5E to two devices (1GBE doesn't support that, but you can do it with 100BaseT since it only need 2 pairs). Those runs go to security cams, so there's zero reason to have 1GBE speeds on those runs. Lots of people simply don't understand how much performance their devices need. That said, it sure is fun going 10GBE! :)
@@HardwareHavenas long as you aren't using Cisco, you're doing well! Your qnap switches are much more modern and have 0 backdoors!
If you're on 10/100 you're already on Fast Ethernet, congratulations!
@@stephendetomasi1701 I have a half-duplex 10mbps hub (not switch) connects to a voice over ip phone and laser printer. it works fine.
If you loose a screw in carpet, take a sock, slide it over the end of your vacuum cleaner, and use it as a strainer as you go over the area. saved my butt a few times. lol
or just walk with bare feet. it'll quickly stab your foot. :)
I've been running 4Gbit (4x 1Gbit trunked) on my server and workstation for about a decade using all ex-enterprise gear that I got for pennies and/or free, but these little switches are actually getting so reasonable and low powered that it seems finally the time to move to a simpler hw configuration :) Thanks for the review and detailing your experiences.
lmfao I made a comment on this dude cause I gave an alternative switch which @ServeTheHome also talked about later and guess what guys he deleted my comment lmfao... Is he even allowed to do that where is the YT police lmfao wait cause it will make him look bad and then they cant make $$$ thats why they gave him power to give quirky information and not checking all products out there.. Was he paid by qnap?? I am curious.. not saying he is, it looks weird. Also what about Mikrotik they also have better products which are cost effective as well!
Just something to remember: The file transfer protocol in Windows over the network is single threaded. At some point, you won't be able to go any faster unless you have a faster CPU.
Damn that's archaic 😂 i mean windows is built ontop of a legacy system I'm not surprised
What about if you use a third party file transfer like TeraCopy? Or is it still limited to single thread because it would still have to use the Windows FTP?
@@outhouse.wholesaler I haven't looked into it much, but from what I understand it's an application limitation. Using a third party application that is multi-threaded should provide better results.
i have noticed my best speed transfers to the nas is when i have a couple files moving at the same time,, Granted that is with the synology drive application,, lol,,
Isn’t there some sort of BitTorrent based network file transfer programs that can multi thread? Then there’s Free Download Manager….
upgrading networking for local file transfer is like buying a new monitor for gaming it's almost guaranteed you will want to upgrade your GPU afterwards to keep up with your better resolution
Spot on, lol
Your home lab set up is getting better and better!!! Great video
Love watching these vids. Still kinda new to everything, but I hope to be able to do this kind of stuff. Keep it up!
Glad you like them! And it's a constant journey of learning and trying new things.
Try using parallel streams with iperf. Something like adding "-P 4" switch to your command might fix that. That will run 4 transfers in parallel, and each will settle at 2.2-2.4 Gbps each, getting you to ~9.6 total. That ancient BCM card might hold that back a little, but jumbo packets could help there, too.
Did you enable jumbo packets/frames on your Windows machine to enable a larger Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) size for data being sent over a network?
You ask that question as if I know what I'm talking about! Haha, no but I'll look into it
Jumbo frames rarely helps in a homelab and can create issues if you aren't careful. All it does is send less but larger packets. In a congested network I'm sure it's very helpful but home networks are rarely congested. Worth a try but don't count on much, if any, improvement. Forgot to mention, it will also reduce CPU utilization as it is processing fewer packets, but again, typically little impact in a home network/server.
@@wojtek-33 I get that. As long as you don't go too crazy with it, things should be fine. I've got mine set to 9014 and get much more consistent traffic speeds
15:08 haha. I can already hear the conversation now. "Honey do you smell something burning? It smells like burnt plastic."
Pretty nice deals there. I have one qnap switch, which has been fine on my use cases, but my homelab runs primarily on spf+. I needed 10Gig way back because I use network storage on my virtualization, but spf+ nics were way cheaper than 10G rj45 ones even as used. The situation seems to be changed somewhat, but I've gotten used to the spf plugs and those are awesome since they do not fall of as easily by accident as rj45 does. As of now, I have a small unreasonable fantasy of getting into 100G networking. It doesn't make any sense but would be fun
lmfao I made a comment on this dude cause I gave an alternative switch which @ServeTheHome also talked about later and guess what guys he deleted my comment lmfao... Is he even allowed to do that where is the YT police lmfao wait cause it will make him look bad and then they cant make $$$ thats why they gave him power to give quirky information and not checking all products out there.. Was he paid by qnap?? I am curious.. not saying he is, it looks weird. Also what about Mikrotik they also have better products which are cost effective as well!
I gotta save up for that lil switch. so glad to see one that is not rack mount and is small.
Good video man !! When you put a fan like that on a Network card, if you put a piece of cardboard / plastuck 4-5mm thick between the heatsink & back of fan, it will move more air. Right now it has no space to move air because its suffocating
Re: the max throughput being about 7-8 Gbps, did you enable jumbo frames? I saw similar behavior (about the same speed), but enabling jumbo frames on the client and the server got me up near the theoretical 10 gbps maximum. Of course, enabling jumbo frames can lead to other issues if you don't segregate the 10Gbps devices onto their own VLAN, which is probably one reason I haven't fully set up my 10Gbps network yet. :P
Interesting 16 port switch, paid that much getting a 10 port 10gig last year. Prices seem to be starting to fall a little. When I bought mine I figured we'd have jumped straight to 10gig instead of 2.5. But seems 2.5gig is being widely adopted first. Which in hindsight guess makes since as it covers a much larger audience. As not everyone has the hardware to fully take advantage of 10gig yet. But when you have a use case and hardware that can drive it. It is utterly fantastic!
Enable jumbo frames in all the adapter settings (9000 byte MTU), should improve the 7 Gbit iperf. Aside from that, unless video editing directly from a flash-storage NAS, I found that 2.5 Gbit is really enough. And those switches are cheaper, and cards are cooler, less power-consuming and often even integrated onboard in mobos nowadays.
I'm sad that 5gbit wasn't common as a middleground. I have a x370 ASRock motherboard with 5gbit and a Qnap pcie x1 Card with 5gbit for a few years but to take advantage of the speed I have to use my 10g switch because there was not an affordable 5gbit option. But in the last 1 or 2 years SSDs got very fast and cheap so 10g is already a huge bottleneck :D
mfao I made a comment on this dude cause I gave an alternative switch which @ServeTheHome also talked about later and guess what guys he deleted my comment lmfao... Is he even allowed to do that where is the YT police lmfao wait cause it will make him look bad and then they cant make $$$ thats why they gave him power to give quirky information and not checking all products out there.. Was he paid by qnap?? I am curious.. not saying he is, it looks weird. Also what about Mikrotik they also have better products which are cost effective as well!
So glad I sub'd to this channel great stuff
I'm actually going to upgrade my network with a bunch of the Yuanley 2.5gb / 10gb switches. Great video on your experience. Thanks for sharing!
First video I've found of yours. Recently been pulling OM3 fiber through my church for a 10GbE backbone. Might have to pick up a few of the smaller 10GbE Qnap switches for small breakout areas.
Nice! Big church or do you guys just push a lot of data? Haha
Great video! Wait are u using a samba share??? Or even at times windows is limited by its copy feature in file explorer being a single threaded task, m sure u could have pulled better speeds with some multithreaded copy software
I am running HP branded x540-T2 cards that i scored on ebay for about 40-50 bucks a couple of years ago, as well as an genuine intel x710-T4. They get HOT without airflow! However the heatsinks are beefy and just a small about of airflow keeps the temps in check. Funny thing is that the x540 has a "Caution HOT!" warning etched on the heat sink! :D
I'm glad I decided to watch this video. It confirmed some things for me regarding 10gbe file transfers. I recently rebuilt by Plex server with a new motherboard and processor going from an 4th Gen Intel processor to a 13th Gen processor. I was always wondering if I had something set wrong with my 10gbe network (Intel X540-T1) card. I also have a Synology DS1819+ NAS with a 10gbe (Synology) card in it all the 10gbe traffic is going through a Mikrotik 5 port 10gbe switch. When ever I transfer files they normally move at or above 450MB per second. Some times it will peak at 650 and some times above 700 but then it will drop back down. I always make sure I transfer to the 10 gig IP port on the NAS. I never tried transferring a second time the same file. I guess cacheing might get faster transfers.
I use 4010 blower fans and 3d printed shrouds, so the active cooling doesn't block lower pcie ports.
Good upgrade for a content provider. I actually wouldn't do the flash upgrade just yet. It will be an *amazing* upgrade, however both SSD and NVME drive prices are dropping quite nicely at the moment. There should be some good black Friday / cyber Monday sales coming up soon enough, or just wait and take advantage of the post holiday sales. With both SSD and NVME 8TB drives becoming "reasonable" now, it's about time to just convert over in the next year or two. I'm looking forward to more 8Tb price drops next year myself. Another fun place to look is U.2 drives, or what looks really fun is something like the OWC u.2 NVME shuttle that will let you run 4xNVME on 1 U.2 connection (there are m.2 adaptors). So you can sacrifice a bit of that per drive nvme speed and end up having up to 32Tb of flash storage off of a single m.2 connection (or u.2 if you put an add in card in your motherboard).
ssd prices are going to go up very soon, the summer was the all time low. now nand manufacturers are decreasing production
Lmfao I made a comment on this dude cause I gave an alternative switch which @ServeTheHome also talked about later and guess what guys he deleted my comment lmfao... Is he even allowed to do that where is the YT police lmfao wait cause it will make him look bad and then they cant make $$$ thats why they gave him power to give quirky information and not checking all products out there.. Was he paid by qnap?? I am curious.. not saying he is, it looks weird. Also what about Mikrotik they also have better products which are cost effective as well!
my home server for video editing definitely needs this...scrubbing 4k on the timeline is impossible using spinning drives and GBe. nice video
For most people, Gigabit is probably fine, if not a bit overkill as well. The network in my place I set up with D-Link commercial desktop switches, one 5 port and one 8 port. My node has the 8 port switch as I have game systems and a few computers. For short runs I don't see much issue of data loss due to attenuation on cat5e but I would want to use the appropriate category of twisted pair cable for longer runs. I still find it funny that computers still use glorified 4 line POTS telephone cable for communication across networks. I also find it interesting that even though coaxial cable can carry tens of gigabits of data, is used by cable tv service providers for broadband and is incredibly simple to terminate isn't the cable of choice for networking computers together. Granted, it isn't as flexible but there is probably a way to make a stranded flexible variant for this use.
I recently purchased the smaller qnap switch (terrible names) and it's a winner imo. I move a lot of very large files between my workstation and nas and while i guess it's not a requirement it is a very nice quality of life upgrade. I did have a built in 10g nic in my workstation so i only needed to add 1 card which cut down on cost. The 10g card i bought has a little fan on the heatsink that im hoping doesn't instantly die. Anyway i can also recommend the smaller switch for a setup where most things are fine connected at 2.5g but you need (or want) certain traffic running over 10g. Cheers, Christopher
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One thing if you have a budget is to setup an NVME device on your truenas server and make it a cache for the mechanical drives. I have seen this speed up writes as it caches the write onto the nvme then works to move it off the nvme to the mechanical on it's own time. at least until nvme drives become as cheap as mechanical drives per tb
After 3 years my 10G is dying while gaming due to heat (windows err 43), thanks for the tip I'll try the fan on it :)
Like most Enterprise level gear. They are designed for a LOT of forced airflow. That's why sticking Enterprise cards in a consumer case, often causes them to cook. The airflow they need versus consumer sound levels is not easy to balance.
Nice one for the video. I've considered almost the exact same upgrade using the same components. Did you experiment with LAG or bonding the two ports together ? ...I'm sure the normal reason for this is redundancy but just wondering when having multiple clients demanding files concurrently how it would handle the resources. I'm thinking the 4 spinning drives would probably hinder this experiment unless you've got some insane amount of RAM as cache or some higher tier NVME M.2 drive I missed during the video ? (in the UK an ISP provides a router equipped with 1Gb ethernet ports yet advertise a 1130Mb download speed !?! ...its a combined modem and router I must add - and they say wriggle their way out of it by saying multi-user this and that and top speed multiple devices etc.. BUT, we're techies and the router is pants so we switch routing services off, turning it into a dumb modem, and utilise our own router - SOOO we want the WHOLE of that download capacity, and now you can;t have it unless you create a LAG group and use 2 ports, connecting 2 ports now from the modem to the router/pfsense box/etc... So for redundancy here we need a 4 port LAG, using up all available ports on the modem, and requiring a new switch, or additional NICs and cables.
Even if you're not running optimally and your drive array only runs at 500MB/s anyway then moving from a 100MB/s GigE connection to a 1GB/s 10g connection is still a huge step up.
Been giving thoughts to updating the home network to go from Gigabit to 2.5G, and here's something to make me think about faster equipment.
good video pricing is getting better for 10gbe and 2.5gbe switch, loving the antec 300 as a nas
My SuperMicro motherboard had 2x Intel 10G dual X550 ethernet ports. I then looked for switches that use that chip. The one featured here (QNAP QSW-2104-2T) uses that chip. Definitely get some CAT 7 cables.
I have one of those Broadcom NICs as well in my Proxmox Xpenology box, works well with a 10mm thick 40mm Noctua fan. Mine came with a fan installed and a lower profile heatsink and it was the worst fan I've heard in years.
Wait a minute... You have how many subscribers?? Just few months ago you had like 20k. Congrats 🎉
It is amazing to see that the cost of these higher speed networking devices getting lower, to where if you are serious about it, you can achieve 10gb in some places on your own network for an affordable price without using something like fiber or aggregated ports.
Using the Inspur x540 network card on a regular motherboard seems to require shielding certain pins for it to be successfully recognized by the motherboard.
I finally got to see another Hardware Haven video. It was great!
You could get a blower-style fan and mount it next to the heatsync on the NIC
I’m definitely saving this video so I can find some budget 10G networking gear especially me as a tech content creator.
Is your PSU intake pulling air from inside the case? It's usually more efficient to have it exhaust out the back. Pulling in hot air from the NIC through the PSU might be suboptimal. Regarding the 10Gbps transfer, Windows SMB might not fully saturate it with a single transfer. Multiple streams could help if your CPU and storage can handle it. Thinking of upgrading to at least 2.5Gb soon. The LTT screwdriver's ratcheting click is oddly satisfying-I find myself fidgeting with mine all the time. 😄
To reply to your final comment about NAS speed. The Synology DS1621+, and most other good 6 bay hard disk NAS, pre-built or home built, are good for 500-600 MB/s, faster if you use NVME cache. It won’t saturate 10G, but you get 2x+ 2.5g performance and 100 TiB of usable storage without breaking the bank.
Tackled this situation few months ago, went with direct 10G optics (used ebay stuff) between pc and nas. NAS has bunch of mechanicals in raid (sequentials is faster than single ssd), no problems there, but main obstacle is ssd's in main pc cant keep up, probably some nvme could change this, but sata ssd's just get overloaded. But opening files on nas is a breeze, scrubbing some 26gb movie is instantaneous, zero waiting, you can drag or click anywhere in timeline and it just plays.
if most of your stuff is not that far away for example a nas and a virtualization box running from the nas. you can try going with sfp+ switches, there are 40$ 2x 10gb sfp+ switches with 4x 2.5 gb rj45, and used sfp+ cards are quite cheap for servers and pcs, fiber itself is a bit expensive but foir short runs upto a few meters you can use sfp+ dac cables which are just copper cables with the modules already attached. its also more energy efficient and if you really need 10gb rj45 you can get (quite expensive) sfp+ tp rj45 adaptors
Been eyeing 2.5/10gbe for a while. Currently have a TP-Link 1Gb switch that I'm happy with. Finding the most expensive part is the switch. Adapters seem to be cheap. Wanting to go 10Gb so I can run my VMs over a single shared 10Gb link and connect to a switch with 10Gb links to connect to all my other random 1Gb devices. Then also 10Gb links between my VM host and the a NAS for fast backups. Other priorities going on currently, so will have to wait and make due with my 1Gb network for now. Hopefully means I can pay less for a good 10Gb switch later :)
16:30 You may wish to get a slot mounted Squirrel cage blower fan. It would take up a single slot and wouldn't be as obnoxious to remount if you wanted to repaste the NIC's heatsink(s). Amazon currently has a deal on a Startech brand for less than $9.
Cant wait to watch it!, your videos always make my day❤❤
Indeed
TP-Link Omada TL-SX105 Switch 5 ports 10G : 300€ = 5x 10gb ports - best value in my opinion
Just bought a little switch with 2x10GB and 4x2.5GB for 50 bucks at Amazon. I will have a high speed NAS next to my machine (10GB) and the 2.5 connection to my home server. Cool.
I don't know if this is parody or not, but I like your style!
One issue on consumer level PCs, the primary x16 PCIe slot may drop down to x8 speed if a x8/x16 card is installed in the lower x16 slot (both shots running at x8 speeds). This can affect games that heavily rely on the GPU.
nice video keep up the good work
What make and model is that multi bay PC case housing your nas equipment? Any chance it is a current model that can be bought on Amazon, Newegg, etc?
I always put the fan so it blow from the side and to avoid noise i use 90x90 at 7 volt.
Very nice. I ran my 4-to-1 consolidation earlier this year, so right now, everything runs off my Proxmox server, and with the virtio NIC, it shows up as 10 Gbps in Window10+ and all of my Linux systems. (In Windows 7, it actually shows up as a 100 Gbps NIC, which is SUPER AWESOME!) This saved me from having to buy 10 GbE switches, NICs, and cables to actually make it work at 10 GbE speeds.
now this is what i want to try. thanks for the budget ideas :3
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Have you found a fix for the power draw from the 10Gb NIC on your NAS? Even if you shutdown the NAS, it will still take 10W from the wall with Inspur cards. They will become hot when the system is down. (Potentially burnt because the fan will be off when the system is down). I haven't find a good solution around this yet. Let me know if you have experienced the same and how to fix it.
Most likely not same issue since it isn't server-card, but I couldn't get StarTech's 10G PCIe SFP+ Card to show up on 4x slot, only on 16x ones, while Asus XG-C100F with same chipset works just fine on it. Of switches Zyxel XGS1250-12 could be interesting one if you need managed one.
Great video once again! Can't wait to talk to you on the meeting.
You have a b550 vision d? Or is that the new Aero one? Great series. I gave mine to my friends and bought a ProArt X570 Creator Wifi, but this one is less reliable than the Gigabyte. I bought it for the IOMMU groups. I will probably avoid Asus from now on because this thing can't put up with my abuse. If I ever create a nas, I will host it on a PC with thunderbolt so I can have speeds faster than 10 gigabit between it and my pc or a laptop. In fact, I will probably end up turning this thing into a monster nas (and server for other purposes) once I upgrade.
I recently bought 2 of almost exactly that switch (4x2.5+2x10) for £56 each from Amazon. Works seamlessly out of the box.
Having seen this, and seeing 2.5gbps NICs and routers are cheaper than just a few years ago - I am curious as to how cost-effective it can be to have a network where the main systems needing to transfer large swathes of data have 2-port 2.5gbps AIC's and you pair-bond the ports on the system side compared to just buying 5gbps NIC's and running a network like that. Cables would be a wild card variable, one that I'd personally see as more cost-effective to cut and crimp my own compared to buying pre-made cables.
WOW! Linus Tech Tips could not be bothered to mention Gallium Nitride and could only call it GAN, which is useless. Thank you for being actually helpful!
If it's only a few devices and are willing to use fiber or DAC, you don't even need the switch. Most 40GbE interfaces can be split into 4x10GbE, so four devices can make a fully connected mesh. Some cards even have an integrated switch which you can program with static routes so you can connect more devices in a ring or torus. Just make sure you have enough paths so that one node can't shut down the whole network. Same goes for 100GbE, they can be split into 4x25GbE
im planning to build a pfsense box from an hp elitedesk with an i7 7500 and 32gb mem. it has four pcie slots - 4x, 1x, 1x, 16x - i'll have a quad 2.5g in the 4x, and a dual 1g in one of the 1x slots, a single 2.5g in the other 1x - thinking about adding a 2x 10g spf+ card into the remaining 16x slot to go to my media server and main vm machine and then just bridging it with all the rest of the ports...then if i need more 10G i can add an unmanaged switch down the line....you think this sounds reasonable? its been a while since i've run pfsense, ive had a spectrum pos router and then an openwrt router for some time (which will be an AP with openwrt with the pfsense router) so yea im just wondering if itll even be worth buying the three 10g cards
cat5e and 10G also works.... did a lot of practical tests and went well oh and in i guess about 2-3 years 10G will become more and more desktop standard for wired connections
thats why its better to lay down better cables,...
I went 10Gbit with SFP+ and DAC Cables - main usage: workstation, NAS and connection between switches - APs connected with 2.5Gbit - all other devices: Wifi, or 1Gbit- totally sufficient
Interesting vid, and worth a watch for people dabbling in this stuff. I'm using a slightly different solution for 10gbit, but I haven't gone all-in on it yet either. Hopefully in the couple months since you made this vid you did a better job of securing that fan to the one NIC though. What you're likely to experience is a combination of the plastic tie drying out in that environment coupled with a slight imbalance in the spin of the fan which could cause it to fail rather spectacularly. Also, invest in some Noctua industrial fans for that server. :P
Aren't you network-transfer-speed limited by the Hard Drives? If not, what do you use to offset the bottleneck? I use Unraid btw.
Can you get QNAP to send me a 10G switch ? Just kidding... GREAT content. Well done. I just got to partial 2.5 G in the home network and THAT''s a big improvement over 1G.10G sounds really great ! And maybe even without financing (if going mostly used...). Cool.......
Did you adjust the MTU across your devices where 10Gb/s traffic passes through? I'm getting the full 10Gb/s transfer speeds on my network using my Synology DS1621xs+ 10Gb port, MikroTik 10Gb switch, and my PC with a TP-Link 10Gb PCIe Network Card when I use iperf3.
I think the desktop NIC could be limited by your motherboard, since 0.985 GB/s is the max speed of a PCIe gen3 x1 slot. Probably sufficient for a 10 gig nic, just an FYI :D
Make sure you setup Jumbo Frames on all the 10G nics and switch ports. (MTU 9000)
the "Cat" phases of ethernet isnt only for data transmission, cat8 has way more ability to block out signal noises caused from electromagnetic interference and reduce the chances of jitter/packet delay which is different from packet loss.
If you have dual cards you can round robin (old internet/intranet style) a 10gbe network. You can put two cards in one system and use pfsense. I have two multi function enterprise cards, not so cheap and a copper cable.. running between them. It works well and i get full speed to my SAN. I have fibre, which im in a rental and will be moving, so that can wait. But i also have an old dell power connect, i had to buy a 10gbe slot in the back card that came in at 150usd ish (I'm in the uk) its sat not doing anything as well you guessed it.. moving so its not going to the rack. I have some HP enterprise managed switches but they are limited to just four ports at 10gbe. And you lose some 1gbe using them, but with 36 ports or so its not a bother, but for some it maybe. Head off to the recycler see what they have. But your going to be using more power. 😮 There is a few videos their in how to do that list of set ups 😊
The SW-3216R-8S8T looks awesome, may consider it or for a bit more some larger options to handle my 1gb access layer where I have about 18 devices. This video was good though, never looked at qnap for switches, I just look at their NAS devices, and after I look, then I look away because of the price and go build my own lol Would have been really good to see more scientific and accurate testing for the bandwidth since this is a tech channel and not just a average joe channel so engineers like myself are looking for the real deal as far as testing/evaluation before investing in a product.
Cool card you have there!
I believe the Intel x540 NICs have a known issue when plugged into a PCI port that is routed off the Chipset, rather than directly off the CPU's PCIe lanes. I had a vary simular issue with my desktop where the thing wouldn't even boot up with the card in a "chipset" slot. but if I put it in the main PCie slot on my mobo it worked fine. I'm assuming you have a GPU in the main slot, and any extra slots that are accessable might be routed off the Chipset. I see in the TrueNAS server, you are using the primary slot, and that may be why it worked there, and not in your desktop.
Ahh that would make sense.
@@HardwareHaven Also, for NVMe, I just got one of these: aoc-shg3-4m2p and some cheap teamgroup 4TB MP34 drives that can go into any PCIe slot, no Bifercation needed ;)
I bought an off branded NIC card that's supposedly an Intel clone and my PC would not post at all no matter what PCIe or PCI slot I had it plugged in. I plugged in my old genuine Intel Pro/1000 Dual port NIC card and my PC post just fine. Steer clear away from those unknown off brand Chinese junk. You get what you paid for. Always buy genuine Intel hardware esp when it comes to VMware ESXI.
Isn't there a SMB multichannel option to couple a pair of NICS and go crazy with 20Gbps from the NAS to the main switch, then maybe to your PC ?
Thanks!
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been running 10gig over cat5e the last 6-7 years with no isssue, longest run is ~50ft.
I have the same QNAP unmanaged switch with 4 2.5GB ports and 2 10GB ports. I am getting a full 2.5GB when connected to 2.5GB NICS but when those ports are connected to 1GB NICS I only getting about 400MB (way under 1GB speeds). The same 1GB NICS run full speed when connected to a Netgear switch. I see some others complaining about slow 1GB speeds as well on this switch on Amazon reviews.. Can you benchmark some 1GB connection speeds for your switch to see if yours is slow as well?
You can use a 512gb nvme as cache to the hard drives, or even a 1tb
I am getting to the same point. And am considering the two switches you have. Someone said that the smaller QNAP does not support vlans when run on a net with a managed switch. Can you confirm this?
Hi, My Truenas system is running on an X10SL7-F; I've got some kinda weird issues with my cpu temps and I think that my cpu cooler is to blame for not being optimal. What cooler are you running, and does it screw into the backplate of your cpu? Thank you,
Can the Port Forwarding for VoIP work with these switches? Reason why I ask, doesn't work with my flashed router with NordVPN on all ports. That same fan is how I keep my NVMe SSD (Samsung 970 Pro) cool when plugged into 2nd PCIe 3.0 x16 port! Replaced the cheap fan already on the adapter of same size, started squealing after a month due to rifle bearings. Temps are 35-40C Max under load, not possible in native port.
16:28. Why don't you just zip tie an 80mm fan to a pci slot cover underneath it? Find one of you fancy cases, check if the pci slot cover piece have fancy design holes on it. If yes, you have a "pci mounted fan"! :) Happy to help.
if you experience this fault: expansion card receives power but no drivers detected on windows 10/11 (even after try to force a hardware detect) one solution may be to put it into another pcie bus (try the one closest to the CPU - known pcie x 16) It looks like the first nic you tries uses pcie x 8 (im guessing) - not all busses have the full fat lane (even though they look like pcie x 16 physically). you may have plugged the expansion card in a pcie x 4 bus resulting in this issue. I hope this helps :)