The Third Book of Enoch Explained
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The Third Book of Enoch claims to be the account of a mystical vision of Heaven. Notably, it portrays Enoch transforming into the 2nd most powerful being in the universe: the Archangel Metatron.
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You should do a vid on the history of the papacy, more specifically how the Bishop of Rome became the Pope over any other bishop.
Yeah the books of Enoch isn't real. A.k.a no witnesses to witness the outcome. God not going to called and turn a formal human to a super celestrial and name him the lesser Yahweh (Yehowen ). The Mightiest Celestial being is The Archangel Michael. The books of Enoch doesn't help humans nor provide that Enochs books are canons .
Where can one read the text you covered in the video?
Are we to conclude that at least some Ancient Hebrews had embraced a "365" numerical fetishism, two millennia prior to "a page per day"-style desktop calendars?
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Can't help but to think of Transformers-like robots whenever I read the word 'metatron'.
I just hear "megatron" and imagine something like 🤖+👼
Archangels, roll out!
If the Devil ever fought him, I'm sure he'd say at some point "is that all you've got, Metatron?"
Megatron in the 2007 movie might have been a reference to Metatron. His concept design, seen in the toy, contrasts his monstrous form with translucent wings. He was also searching for a cube of immense power
heck even in the comics he becomes a good guy, joins the Autobots, and fights Unicron, their version of Satan, the personification of evil.@@syafiqjabar
Book of Enoch, Genesis the Director Cut.That and the Book of Jubilee.
Def should do a vid on Jubilees
@@ReligionForBreakfast yes.
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@@ReligionForBreakfast you can also do a vid on the Manichaen book of giants, kinda his version of enoch/jubilees
@@ReligionForBreakfast yes.
It always threw me that the name Metatron didn't follow the typical angel naming convention of adding "iel" to a root.
Thats because its a transformer
Nope! It is a sexy anime girl and the book of enoch is copying stuff from Date a Live.
@@jpzz5915EXACTLY
Metatron... father of Cybertron😅
In paradise lost there is a huge battle between the angels with like swords and laser cannons an stuff...at least thats how i remember it
Enoch's transformation into Matatron is basically the 3rd impact
was thinking the same thing lol, the eyes, the wings, the size, IT WAS ALL THERE
Nah. It's just wish-fulfillment fantasy, and the hero as Mary-Sue. Or, i guess, Meta-Sue.
Ancient dragon ball Z
@@Kaotiqua Basically, Isekai anime.
@@b.cdrisk2035 Nope! It’s basically Ultraman (1966) since it was created by the Catholic convert, Eiji Tsuburaya.
I love that you describe Enoch's transformation into Metatron as increasing his power level. Was waiting to hear you say if he could beat Goku.
Now we need to do a power ranking tier list of angels
Deep Dragon Ball lore.
Metatron is my favourite transformer! 🤖 Main question though: decepticon or autobot?
I love this guy. Been watching his videos for years. Puts a lot of stuff in modern context.
damn. now the name "book of boba fett" has a really weird connection in my brain to the "book of enoch".
Wow, I can't believe he became a Decepticon. What a twist!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately thinks of Transformers when I hear "Metatron".😂
He didn't!!!!!!There are two separate "Enochs", the first one was taken to heaven before he died. The second one is from the line of Cain, and was a totally different person. all this is explained in the book by Gary Wayne, the "Genesis 6 Conspiracy". The book is a wealth of information! Read it.
Yoooooooooooouuu why you gotta beat me like that 😢😂😂😂
A few hours after listening to this i went to a trivia night where one of the questions was "name the two people in the bible taken up to heaven without dying." We got the points thanks to you! (My team looked at me a bit funny when i said "oh yeah, i was just listening to a video on the book of Enoch.")
can you name the 2 planets that are named incorrectly? 🤔🤔🤔 444 and 🎰 dunno how they missed that axial tilt and that the Pleiades are 444 light years away the orbit of 🎰 (165ish years) is 7 generations of humans… it rules #karma that’s why it’s #indigo #2Spirit #philosophy #indigenous #astrology #magic
Enoch seems to put a lot of importance on the trappings of power. When you try to discern what is true, it stands out to me that Jesus never sought power. He wore a crown, of thorns. He set the example for refusing bribes when he resisted the temptation in the desert. There are certain stories of Jesus, Buddah, Daniel, etc that transcend religion and point to universal truth. I believe if we try and listen we can hear the truth no matter what our religious beliefs are
But he doesn't mention the second, Enoch and Elijah were the two whom God had taken up and did not see death.
@@KhaoticDeterminism I don't really know what you're saying. Can u clear it up a bit?
@Greg-yu4ij That's what I've found in my studies. So many religions, 200+ I believe, have similar human origin stories as well.
I'm very impressed by Enoch's transformation not as religious text, but as a piece of ancient cosmic body horror. Commonly literature history doesn't talk about body horror before the modern era (e.g. Frankenstein or The Metamorphosis), but it's very easy to see what God did to Enoch to create Metatron in those terms.
Sounds like he funked him up good ❤😂
@@Giantcrabz source?
@@GiantcrabzRambam wrote that Shiur Komah should be burned.
The book has serious mistranslation from aramic to greek so...
Really? I felt a sense of ecstasy as his transformation was described.
Enoch turned into Metatron and started a KZhead channel where he talks about history
He was reborn as an Italian first.
@@Napoleonic_S Who drops into a strong colloquial English accent when he gets riled :P
@@Napoleonic_S😂😂😂❤👍 My favorite Italian 🤗🤗🤗
And he _hates_ leather gauntlets.
I propose the hypothesis that the Books of Enoch were the first DLCs/expansion packs in history. The devs knew one sentence about Enoch randomly thrown in would arouse the interest and imagination of the readers who'd demand more. And so they received, one expansion pack about Enoch in three DLCs. A new quest/campaign with lots of new and expanded lore, new characters and costumes/skins and also included a flashy Angel Armor which initially the publishers wanted to be a separate DLC that cost quite a pretty shekel, but changed their mind later on. The expansion received overwhelmingly positive reception from fans and critics alike. The reason why they became forgotten was because the original title got ported to other more popular systems under a new publisher who saw no value in porting the DLCs as well, instead opting to create new ones from scratch. The Books of Enoch regained popularity when the modding scene found the source code for the DLCs and polished and remastered them releasing them on torrents under the name Genesis Expanded HD-MOD Unofficial Patch.
I was thinking 'fanfiction' rather than DLCs, but same idea in principle, yes.
Love the analogy 🙆♀️
the only gripe i have with leaving it out was enoch lore pretty much informs christian lore. from fallen angels to the world to come, and some of the apocalyptic chapters. at least the first book.
This is your brain on gaming
So Enoch is Ulysses from Fallout New Vegas? Was Enoch also cut content that got recycled for the DLC?
Thank you for breaking down these texts, you were the reason for my initial interest in learning about these stories
The book of Enoch would make a great movie. And since very few people treat it as scripture you wouldn’t offend a lot of people like often happens when movies are made of actual Bible stories.
Along the same lines, there's a PS3/PC game called El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron, which is a loose interpretation of this story. It's also very surreal and very very Japanese. I'm not aware of it offending anyone, although it is pretty obscure.
The movie Dogma and the series Supernatural borrow a lot from Ennochian lore
@@stein1919Supernatural for sure. Metatron is an archangel
I think they did that with Denzel Washington 😊
Enoch was *EMBIGGENED*
I think of Metatron from Dogma, played by Alan Rickman.
You beat me to it 😄
Cough cough cough did you have to use the whole can?
@@Thessalin - "You people. If there isn't a movie about it, it's not worth knowing, is it?"
Was Wisconsin really that bad?
I once had a dream where God came to me in an Arby's. Maybe I should write 4th Enoch.
If you lived 100000 years ago maybe you should
I think you've got something there! On the eighth day god created curly fries, and they were good
@@Giantcrabz Only the clean ones.
I am METATRON BE NOT AFRAID *heavy metal 🎸 *
People when they hear "Metatron" imagine either ; 1. a Pokémon 2. a tranformer
3) an anime girl from date a a live (which girl is a spoiler, btw)
4: A self-obsessed charismatic robot imbued with a soul.
5) A gaslighting manipulative (possibly mind-controlling) highly punchable piece of work
5. an Italian KZheadr that talks about history
What timing with the topic, and the use of Star Wars as an example! The most recent episode of Ahsoka, the new Star Wars series, just introduced a side character named Enoch!
If you look closely, the Ahsoka Enoch is in this video!
@@cboynt8128Not surprising considering his brother’s channel.
Religion for Breakfast and History for Granite have quickly become my favorite channels on KZhead. Loving this emergence of high quality, academic content on KZhead.
This channel is 10 years old. High quality academic content is not a recent phenomenon. Yale university has posted whole 20+ videos each courses on KZhead several years ago. I watched quite a few of them, including the one on the Hebrew Bible and the one on the New Testament.
You might like a channel called Let's talk religion
@@Mjfrkevtju history with Cy is another great channel
I always remember Metatron being the central antagonist in the third book of the Dark Materials trilogy the Amber Spyglass.
Honestly, His Dark Materials seems to me a more plausible cosmology than historic Judaism or Christianity.
I remember him as Herald of the Almighty and the Voice of the One True God.
I remember him as Antagonist of Season 8? Of Supernatural.
@@jesusnthedaisychainI AM THE METATRON HEARLD OF THE ALMIGHTY AND VOICE OF THE ONE TRUE GOD
I am developing a video game that takes place in the distant past and involves many of these biblical characters. After watching many of your videos and some on other channels, I convinced my time that Metatron was absolutely necessary to add as a character because he is just so unique and interesting to me. We are having the player start by meeting him as Enoch and then later in the game seeing him as Metatron. Thanks for the wonderfully informational videos!
Good luck man
Sounds awesome. Looking forward to it. Keep me updated if you remember.
Great idea
He should be the final boss
Good luck!! I can't wait to someday maybe stumble upon it and remember this video as well.
The use of Enoch from Ahsoka made me realise something. His inclusion seems to be a reference to this book, seeming to imply that Grand Admiral Thrawn in his exile now considers himself to be a god of sorts, with his stormtroopers becoming his cult-like worshipers.
the sooner people would understand the "Enoch" can become a billion dollar movie the faster we would get this over due film about him
Do you have any plans to extend this Enoch series to talk about Enoch's prominence in Latter day Saint tradition? Or LDS biblical exegesis (Melchizedek for example) in general?
Not to mention that the main story arc of 3 Enoch bears resemblance to the Book of Abraham - OT figure is given knowledge of the inner workings of heaven and the universe...
I certainly hope so. These three videos on Enoch, Melchizedek, and Metatron, and their connections to each other are some of my favorites he's done so far!
This is very interesting in contrast to the Trinity in Christianity. I'd also love to see a video on the divine council in the Bible like Heiser's work.
can you please elaborate english isn’t my first language and i am interested in learning the topics
Thumbs Up for showing Thrawn's 'Gold Face Stormtrooper' next to Boba Fett; and Yes, we are geeking out about What's Up With Him just like Boba 😅
God was like watching Transformers and went “yo Enoch...you are Megatron!!! I mean Metatron! ...” and then He said unto satan “Autobots....roll out!!” ...god is such a comic book fan!!!
"The Enoch fan club" - your narrative skills are just high class 🙂
I've been waiting for this video since I found the channel. Can't wait.
Same! A friend of mine is a lot into the serie supernatural and don't like to read that much, i will watch this video soon with him 😊
What fascinates me in the Enochic works is that angelology actually makes heaven very much polytheistic just with its non-ruling 'gods' being termed as angels.
The text definitely puts you in a trance while reading it. Read it about a year or so ago. Need to revisit it.
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😂😂😂 no body seems to have cought the reference yet
Your channel name "Religion for Breakfast" doesn't hold true in India, for me it should be "Religion for Dinner" for it is Evening here😊
There are 2 Enochs in they book of Genesis- one is of the bloodline of Cain and one was of the bloodline of Seth. Perhaps the mystic Enoch of the third book of Enoch is from the bloodline of Cain which would explain a lot. Odd how you didn’t mention 2 Biblical Enochs in your video as it is definitely worth mentioning.
Imteresting!
Enoch was so special he got his own magical girl spinoff with transformation included.
The translation of the name Enoch may very well be MarySue. XD
Angels seem very much like gods in their own right, albeit under the jurisdiction of the head of the pantheon YHVH. The Hebrew "Bene elohim" is cognate with the Ugaritic word "bn 'il" which means "sons of gods." The same meaning can be applied to the Sanskrit "Devaputra" which refers to heavenly deities in Indic traditions. Hekhalot literature is also reminiscent of a Buddhist story in which a king named Nimi is given a tour of heaven and hell by the god Shakra's charioteer Matali. There are other similar ascension stories like those found in the Divine Comedy and the Zoroastrian Book of Arda Viraf.
One of the historic ways groups could approach pushing their religion on neighbouring or conquered groups was to "demote" the indigenous Gods and make them subordinate to their imposed God. Rather than trying to erase the names of the local gods from memory, which wouldn't work, they could be co-opted into the newly dominant hierarchy as lesser gods, demigods, or in the case of an imposed monotheistic religion as "semi-divine beings in service of God" e.g., Angels. It's very possible some, or all, of the biblical angels were originally worshipped as gods by some absorbed group in the distant past.
@@Pushing_Pixels I can't help but think of the story in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. As Satan would say in the Book of Job, "Skin for skin."
I was just thinking about how it seems popular in modern fiction to make Metatron a bad guy, or at least a dangerously ambitious angel. I love hearing how fluid these stories and ideas have been, since it's easy to think it was all settled with a written down holy text.
Yeah an example of this is his villainous role in Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials book series. Where he in-prisons The Authority or god and then tells the other angles he’s god.
For the ones mentioning anime and things check out El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron. It's an old PS 3 game.
Dr. Henry, I am thankful with the frequent uploads. Always looking forward with new content from you and Dan McClellan.
Coincidentally, the "light of 365000 suns" equates to EXACTLY as bright of a "cloud" as the towers of the current largest solar-power farms,- if you had been the target of the mirrors. Or in other words, specifically the specifications and appearance of Saurons Eye tower. Once again, Tolkiens scriptural awareness shines through.
I have a couple questions: 1.) What translation are you using for 3 Enoch? I'm interested in reading it for myself. 2.) If the Enochic traditions are considered to be a "spin-off" of Enoch's brief appearance in Genesis, are there any scholarly theories regarding the origins and purpose behind Enoch's first appearance?
The usage of the Enoch image from star wars is fantastic. I'm familiar with book one and two. Thanks for the review of book 3.
Hey man this was great to click on and be given a historicity on Enoch especially after watching Felonis Ahsoka series on star wars. His really blending in mythologies to create a beautiful story. Keep up the great work and Love your Chanel man!
O M G FINALLY I've been waiting for this for ages, thank you so much, you're doing such a good job!
And all this time I thought the Metatron was an Italian KZheadr named Raffaello...
You muppet 😉
A man of culture is see 🤌🏽
Metatron, really? :D Man, ancient fanfiction is just as wild as modern fanfiction, people never change 🤔🧐
Enoch is totally Mary-sue wish-fulfillment fanfic.
Thank you for all your videos, I really love watching all your new content!
Not only the Metatron stuff being bitheistic, I think the idea that God consults with the angels before acting and that there in an angel each for controlling universal forces is downright polytheistic. No wonder the chariot people were considered heretics.
saints could be interpreted as "deities" too, even though a Catholic would argue against it.
The angels were originally the ruling council of gods. They were downgraded from god to angels as Judaism moved towards monotheism, but they maintained some of their specialist duties.
@@PhoenixFlame321 I disagree, saint have just power because of their communion with God, being nothing apart from him.
Metatron sounds like a Transformer
Lol
There is a robot character named Mettaton.
This seems a lot like Dante's Inferno but in heaven. It makes me wonder if Dante Alighieri read the third book of Enoch and was inspired by it as part of his construction of the circles of hell. Love your videos!
Dante was inspired by the Apocalypse of Paul, itself inspired by the Apocalypse of Peter.
I saw another video on Third Enoch which said the vision contains an early version of purgatory. Maybe the apocalypse of Peter and Apocalypse of Paul took this up and then influenced Dante.
Maybe, though Dante's Paradiso is quite different.
Amazing video and content. This is exactly the kind of channel I was looking for. Just subscribed to it.
There was a chance for a crossover here: "And remember: The Metatron has spread his wings."
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I really enjoy your podcast. You are non-judgemental or pushing an agenda (Yeah, I know religion scholars aren't suppose to do that.) Your videos are helping the public to understand the cultures and beliefs of our highly mobile world.
Nice! I can't get enough Enoch🤩
Same
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Your channel really inspired me to start my own theology KZhead Channel! THANK YOU!
How could you time this SO RIGHT with Star Wars Enoch debut just a few hours ago?!
Surprised you didn't throw in a Supernatural reference, since Metatron plays a significant role in that as "the scribe of God" and at one point does usurp power. As always, this is fascinating stuff.
Because this channel doesn't rely much on pop culture
Though he redeemed himself in the end.
@@gabrielpmoonly on pop religion
@@gabrielpmo I would agree it doesn't rely on it, but he does reference pop culture a LOT. He often ties in his religious studies topic of the day with topical stuff that references it. I would say it isn't too surprising to see someone shocked he didn't mention a big example. For me, I was hoping more for the Dogma reference with Alan Rickman.
What other big examples would there be?
I suspect that the cult of Metatron may have been a very specific, if perhaps unconscious, means of countering the threat of the Jesus movement, which, after all, in the early days, would have seemed like a variant of Judaism. “We have an authentic god-hero, already mentioned in our scriptures, not that nobody from Nazareth!”
Any day you release a video is a good day. Thank-you.
I didn't know these texts existed. Thank you for bringing them to my attention.
Could this council of angels be a relic from the older "divine council" of El that is still mentioned in some Elohistic texts?
I think that's certain. See "The Older Testament" by Margaret Barker.
Omg, I rewatched the videos on first two enochs following the recent episode of Ahsoka, and wished there were one on the third. This hommage to geekery is heartwarming.
Keep up the awesome job, Dr Henry 👍
I’ve been waiting for this!
not gonna lie, I'd love to see George Lucas, James Cameron, and some other writer/director's that made some really awesome movies, collab to make each Book of Enoch a movie trilogy 🤔
0:17: ! The video discusses the character of Enoch in religious literature and his role as a central character in ancient texts. 3:23: 📚 The video discusses the literary and historical context of the third Enoch, a rabbinic Jewish mysticism text, and its four sections. 6:51: 📚 The video discusses the angelology and celestial hierarchy described in the book of Third Enoch, including the roles of specific archangels and the control of natural phenomena by angels. 10:31: 🔥 Enoch undergoes a dramatic transformation, becoming a fiery angel named Metatron and is put in charge of the Angelic host. 14:19: 📚 Theistic ideas in second temple Jewish literature, such as the concept of a son of man with god-like power, are explored in this video. Recap by Tammy AI
Very imaginative. I often appreciate this channels offerings
Fantastic editing in this episode.
Any chance that the 365 references in Enoch have a connection to time? Did they have a 365 day year calendar at the time?
Yes, they did. 3rd Enoch was written in the 5th century. The writers were already aware of the Julian calendar. If you want to dig deeper, the Enochian Cycle literature during the Jewish Second Temple period was tied to the so-called "Essene Priestly Calendar" (because it was used at Qumran) which has 364 days in opposition to the lunisolar Hebrew Calendar's 353-355 days (plus 30-day leap month).
@@andrewsuryali8540 thank you for the reply.
Rather, I think the 365 number is more related to Enoch’s earthly lifespan, as in Genesis 5:23, “ [23] And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:”
@@danpavelko8414 You want a better connection with the sun? Check out En-men-dur-ana and see if you see any parallels
Great video ! The section on the “2 powers in heaven “ was very fascinating. The traditional mainstream Christian position on this is that the “Son of man” identified as the 2nd power is of course Jesus ( John 9:35-37 Jesus identifying himself as the Son of Man) As you mentioned the “Son of Man” is also associated with an Angel . The traditional standard Christian belief is that this angel is not merely ontologically an Angel but rather a deity being ( being one with God) . This figure is called “The Angel of the LORD (YWHW) “ in the Old Testament . (Example Judges 13:21-22 where the Angel of the LORD is called “God”) Christians of course believe this Angel of the LORD , and the Son of Man are different titles for the same person Jesus . The New Testament in Jude even subtly makes this connection. In Jude 1:5 It says Jesus rescued his people out of Egypt . (some translations say “Lord” but in this context Lord is Jesus indicated by Jude 1:4 ) In Exodus 14:19 it says “the Angel of God” who was travelling ahead of Israel’s army withdrew from them. To summarize, “ the Angel of YWHW” which is “The second power of heaven” and is associated as being God (Judges 12:21-22) is understood by us Christians to be Jesus. Which is why in Christianity we believe there are multiple persons that comprise the 1 nature/being/essence of God aka the Trinity. We believe the 3 persons associated who share “one name” are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ( exemplified as Matthew 28:19) That’s just our opinion of course. Good video
Powerful video with lots of powerful insights and shares. Thank you.
I have been looking forward to this one for so long
Enoch is literally Diablo/Marvel crossover universe
Metatron would make a good Godzilla villain.
Excellent video and is fascinating to learn about this!
Amazing, timely editing on using Enoch, captain of the guard.
I've never seen transformers but Metatron sounds like it could be one of them
How did you put enoch from ahsoka into this video so fast lol
Watched the episode the same day I was finishing edits on the video. Perfect timing.
i love enoch with a passion thank god you continued this
Thank you for making these videos. They're fascinating to me
I learned a great deal about Metatron from Supernatural but this is a good add-on. 🤗
Hello! 1 what do you mean by supernatural? 1 could you elaborate please?
@@cambelljohn4577 tv show that ran over a dozen seasons. Its about two brothers hunting supernatural monsters. thanks to serial escalition the last villian they defeat is god himself.
"365 thousand" is an interesting number of eyes 🤔 knowing that ancient Hebrews often used "a thousand" to imply an indefinite but quite long period of time rather than _specifically_ "1,000", and knowing there's 365(.24...) days in a year, I wonder if the implication is that he had "an eye on every day through all the years", or something to that effect? Though I've no idea if _they_ knew about the ~365 day year at the time 🤔
Maybe because Concept of 365 days a year comes from Julian Calendar which is offical Catholic solar Calendar .😅
@@ajaychopra46 No, the Egyptian calendar already had 365 days before that. Though the Julian calendar would have already been known before 3 Enoch was written.
Ah, nice to see you're on Nebula. I'm already subscribed, but I wasn't aware you are also making content for it.
man, i really could've used this information last year when I was writing a paper on Enoch and the Son of Man for my graduate class lol oh well. Love that you finally did it!
You should talk about Kālī. The Malayalapuzha Bhadrakālī Temple and Kodungallur Bhagavathy Temple are some of the most powerful Bhadrakālī temples in the Southwestern Indian state of Kerala, where the worship of Kālī is popular.
Interesting choice using a page of Genesis Rabbah to represent Rabbinic Judaism at 2:35 Especially considering the content of Enoch and the Midrash!
Loved the video sir! Thank you again 🫡❤
There is so much info to this video! Lots of research! ❤❤❤ thank u.
40 years ago I said the name Metatron out loud to my mom, a devout flavor of the day believer, and she got freaked out until she later confirmed with me she asked her "elders" about the word and they said "Its OK" "Tetragramaton" freaked her out as well. She was sure I had turned to the Dark Side., when she wanted me there with her on Kolob.
Love how people who are all up in their obsessive religion don't actually know the words or what they mean.
Until you said Kolob I was 90% sure your mom was an evangelical
With Commander Adama and Starbuck? :P
Forgive me for this but every time I hear about the angel "Metatron" I keep imagining an angel that looks like a Deceptacon... A little disturbing to say the least.
If one reads these texts literally and with a certain set of beliefs, the reader will have specific interpretations, but that is the challenge of interpreting religious texts and practically one's own personal life experiences (it doesn't have to be mystical). If anyone has read NDE (Near Death Experiences) or OBE (Out-Of-Body Experiences) stories, you might see the similarities to the story of Ishmael. Also, the word "heaven" can be interpreted differently based on the context of the story, but most people attribute it to mean a spiritual reality, even if it was describing physical reality (space or upper atmosphere). Ishmael's retelling of his experience when he returns must be an interpretation into both human understanding and language. Otherwise, the words to describe what is experienced, not to mention the interpretations, could not be recounted. If you consider the fact that he describes throne rooms and a chariot, one must ask why there is physicality in a non-physical reality? If Heaven is physical, then it is limited just as much as the physical reality. Also, he explains how he experienced time (was passed out for 1 hour). That means that heaven is also bound by time, no different than physical reality. If that is the case, then what difference is there between the two realities other than the "power level"? All of the experiences retold are simply an interpretation relative to the human experience. This occurs because Ishmael only understood the beliefs about reality in his time, that he was a physical being in human form and that he must have been created by a creator. He had no other way to explain what he knew, except in the way he did, which is based on kings, realms, superior beings, etc. Another way to re-interpret his experience would be to see it as 7 levels of consciousness, of which, the outer is the least aware to the inner, which is the most aware or fully conscious. The throne or chariot is the source of your own divinity (your source of power) and the being on the throne was the fully aware nature of Ishmael, but he did not recognize this. Ismael faced his own divinity, but could not understand because of his belief that he must be a mortal being, bound in flesh. The angels he described makes very little practical sense, to distribute earth's naturally observed phenomenon as being individual beings called angels. Why would a being in humanoid form be responsible for earth's natural observables (earthly nature, space objects, etc) if not because they were deified by the humans? Another way to interpret the idea of angels is to see them as a type of consciousness (archetypes) rather than actual formed beings (the forms being the natural phenomenons including planets and stars). These archetypes of consciousness is simply the understanding that all things in reality are conscious. The force or power attributed to them is again, in relation to Ishmael's belief about himself being a "weak" human being. The entire experience should have been a moment of enlightenment about himself and his connections to everything in reality, but instead, his beliefs about himself separated his experience as being something outside of himself. This is true of most people's beliefs about the individual vs. the perceived exterior reality. The first throne is the outer reality, while the seventh throne is the inner reality, hence each "greater" throne being inside the previous "lesser" throne.
Enoch becomes metatron, wow i never saw that twist coming I can't wait to see what happens in the sequel "BEHOLD THE METATRON, HERALD OF THE ALMIGHTY AND VOICE OF THE ONE TRUE..." *FIRE EXTINGUISHER*
I used to believe the “Enoch is Metatron and Elijah is Sandalphon” thing. But eventually it got to a point where it made less sense, as the outright rule that states that humans cannot become angels. So, after some extra digging, I found the “Metatron is another name for Michael” bit, which immediately made sense, as both are heavenly scribes that record everything that occurs in existence AND are called God’s righthand man. This got me thinking, “OK, so, if Metatron is really Michael, then who’s really Sandalphon?”. After more digging, I probably became the only person to realize this: Sandalphon is Gabriel. Both are described as being God’s lefthand man and, like Michael, is among the most powerful of angels. Heck, they’re even both labeled as Cherubim. Plus, Sandalphon is described as having looking like a man with an almost feminine face, while Gabriel keeps getting the genderbend treatment in various games and whatnot.
Where do you find the rule that humans can't become angels? 😢
@@afcomics7184 I’m not sure where exactly it comes from. All I know is that it’s a thing.
"Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him." Peak storytelling right here
I really enjoy your videos, thank you
The large numbers make it feel like a scifi robot situation. Some great background reading for the next season of Good Omens...
They ate mushrooms before writter this one..
In Philip Pullman's "His dark materials" the characters' true opponent is Megatron. I've always wondered, how the author came up with that name, as it sounds odd
So this is a story about Alan Rickman's character in Dogma.
Give or take 🤷♀️ It’s one of my favorite Alan Rickman roles actually.🍃🤍🍃