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Do a 50bmg
Pistol caliber lever guns next please
please put the clay in a steel pipe to hold it together but retain the hole
You messed up the whole comparison by shooting the first clay block on the broad side and the second two shots on the narrow side.
Shot them all the same
30-30 is so underrated
I agree
Agreed but confused it has problably taken more deer that the other popular calibers combined. Although people talk about a 3030 as if it was a 22 lr
@Lou Minotti I have a Remington 700 classic in 300 Savage. My favorite 700.
@@spocker22 I don’t know I downed a nice mule deer with it at 80 yards.
@@spocker22 You must be a mediocre to bad shot.
Wow, the 30-30 rocked that clay block and so did the 32 caliber, but nothing compared to the 45-70! Absolutely devastating!
He even flinched the first time he pulled the 4570 expecting it. Yeah, it's a beast.
I have a model Winchester 94 in .32WS. The gun was manufactured in 1947...Shoots like new, never lost a deer!It was my father's favorite rifle.
45-70 Government is my favorite. This test reminds me of when I was stationed in Texas and let one of the guys in my unit shoot mine at a watermelon while prone. It was too funny. He basically exploded it and looked back at me and asked "did I hit it?" as chunks which had been flung upwards finally began to hit the ground. Ah, good times.
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4570 does shoot as straight as a 32WS OR 3030 or as far accurately
Hey, I’m a fan of all 3! What’s wrong with that? For max power and an empty wallet, I’ll take the 45-70.
Learn to reload, Bruce. You can start with a Lee Loader and be making good ammo for considerably cheaper than factory loads.
I love em all!!
@@r.awilliams9815 Just got me a Lee Classic loader for 45-70. I definitely recommend one.
just loaded up 25rnds of hornady 325FTX with the Lee hand press. TherapeuticLee satisfying.
@@juandough6501 Lol! Nice one. I love my Lee hand press
I like adding the .32 Special. It was a family favorite for deer and black bear.
Don't see too many 32s anymore
@@WHOTEEWHO I reload for win32spl :D I have a set of rcbs dies from the late 60's or early 70's I'd guess. Very cool box and instructions. I also have a set of dies for 33 winchester I got from my friend who inherited it from his grandfather, which came with a set of form dies to convert 45-70 cases to 33 win.
@@nickwashburn723 33 Winchester fired a 200gn bullet@ around 2200fps ; packed quite a wallop. Verging on .375 and .356 Winchester territory. Lever-actions were still king in those days.
@@steelgila I country with heavy Bruch and short shot distances, I would have to say the lever gun is still the king. If you can't take it with a 45-70, you are hunting on a different continent. After all, you can use a 45-70 for Velociraptors, lol....
I brought my Winchester 94 in 1968 at Subic Bay Naval Base PX Store. As I recall the price was only $189. Our ship went there frequently for repairs during the Vietnam War, and since this was my last tour of duty it would be my last chance to acquire such a fine weapon at that low price. It served me well for many years after returning to civilian life. I've always loved guns associated with the old west.
Three killer utility rounds. I especially love 30/30 because it is so versatile with a lot of load options.
Gotta love the levers
Thanks for adding in the 32 winchester my first deer rifle 50 years ago was a winchester in 32 still have it but ammo for it in texas is near impossible to get
32 is a good one
I’m partial to the 32 Spec. I hunt whitetails in PA, where 100 yards is a long shot (dense hardwood forest makes it tough to see any further than that). Started hunting at 12. First year was with a borrowed 35 Remington. For my second year, Dad bought me a used pre-64 model 94 in 32 Spec. I’ve since moved on to a bolt action but I still have my 32 and it will probably get buried with me. I’m 65 now so a few deer seasons have come and gone. Good video. 😎👍🇱🇷
I need a 35. Even 32s are hard to find
A very good friend of mine here in southern Colorado elk hunted most of his life with a .32 special. He was a very good hunter and that rifle put a lot of meat on the table. Tell me where you are going to hit the animal before you pull the trigger.
@@russellkeeling9712 - I’ve never hunted elk but I thought those were usually taken at much longer ranges. I have no doubt that the .32 could do the job at 150 yards but the bullet drop is pretty significant beyond that. What was his average distance? When we hunt whitetails, the ideal shot should be directly behind the front shoulder and about centered between backbone and belly. Dad taught us to be careful about shot placement because he hated to see them suffer or prolong their misery while you tracked them for an hour or two.
@@WHOTEEWHO If you have a 32 Win Special, you pretty much have to reload to get economical rounds to shoot.
I had never heard of 32 until i asked my uncle if he had a 45-70 he was willing to sell. His response i have a 32 special ill just give it to you. Hoping to fill my blacktail deer tag with it this year. Havent picked it up yet so unsure of the model make/hoping it to be a 94
I would like to see you use a .35 Remington on one of those clay blocks, using Buffalo Bore ammunition. Its a 220 grainer at 2200 fps. That's in the neighborhood of a .358 Winchester.
I need a 35
My favorite caliber
@@thejerk4478 how does a .35 compare to a 45-70? I’d like to see that.
@@Mj-CWO4 Fantastic. Semi auto beats lever ;D
The 32 Winchester special. Love that level action!
I love em all!
30-30 always my favorite but they are all great guns. Want a 45-70 now.
4570 is a BEAST
Dad has a 32 special in a 94 winchester! That’s the rifle that gets the most use! Everyone loves it! Good video!
My dad had a win.32 spl. Me and my 2 brothers had 30/30's.Had to be real careful to not mix cartridges, look almost identical.
That 45-70 is a beast! You can hunt with a single shot 45-70 during muzzleloader season in Mississippi. Thanks Adam. Hope y'all are doing great. Stay Safe and GOD Bless 🙏🕊🇺🇸🦅
Oh man. I wish we could do that
Hot Dog Son! That WAS a whole lot of fun!! Clay is awesome for observing the energy released . I appreciate your videos and the fact you walk the extra mile and always acknowledge your followers when they comment . 👍🇺🇲
Appreciate you watching bigtime Jimmy
@@WHOTEEWHO 💯% is my pleasure my friend!!!
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30-30 has a special place in my heart I spent my childhood lugging a model 94 through the hills and up mountains.
Good memories made better by my 94 for sure.
The clay reactions look cool, probably very close to hitting the real thing. I still like the 30/30.👍
I love em all!
The 70's... Old.... I just died a little bit inside 😑
Lol. I own a marlin 336 from 1969 and a winchester from 1976.... both in 30-30. 70s ain't old dang it!
Lol
I was waiting for this one. Hard to go wrong with any of those rounds!
Gotta love the leverguns
I thought throwing in the 45-70 was just a bit unfair of a comparison.The 30/30 and 32 Win.spl. are so similar.
Definitely love these clay videos. Cool stuff WTW, thanks 👍
Always appreciate you watching!
You killed Gumby!
This brought back fond memories. My first rifle was the marlin 336 in 32 winchester special. Bought it for $50 from my uncle in the 60s. Reloaded using a Lee reloaded kit, one shell at a time. Sold it to a friend when I was in the Air Force for $100. Sure wish I still had it!
dont see the 32s much anymore
Fantastic use of that classic music there! Matched great with the splat & jump of that clay!
Thanks for watching Travis!
After being hit by the 30-30 the clay block looked like an avant-garde abstract sculpture that you could sell to a collector for thousands of dollars.
Looked like the Terminator getting hit by a 12ga. slug to the head.
Lever gun will always be my real favorites in any caliber.
I love your clay block comparison. I have a model 94 Winchester 32 special they were all great demonstration.
In my youth, I'm 74, these three cartridges along with the .35 Remington were mainstays in the deer camps in Western Pennsylvania. The rifles were lever actions iron sites. We took a lot of deer too.
I’m in my 50s and I’ve been a 30-30 man my whole life but I think I’m going to have check out a 32 Winchester
When I was a kid the first rifle I ever received as a gift was a 30-30 Model 94 so it will always be my favorite lever gun. The power from that .45-70 was very impressive though. How about shooting bottles of bubbles? It might even be fun for your kids to watch. Wondering if they would actually send bubbles through the air when the plastic bottles got shot and which calibers would make the best/most bubbles.?.? Thanks for another fun video brother. God bless.
Good idea
I like this idea👍✌️
@@robsorgdrager8477 Thank you. 🙏🏼
only thing though is the 45-70 was probably a 300grn hollow point. not a good comparison. should have used 405 rn. a more traditional load.
@@tracyclaystowell6431 The Hornady LR rounds use a 325 gr and I believe a 265 gr bullet for lighter weight game like deer. A 405 or bigger is a bit much on a block of clay. A full power 405 load for that rifle will have clay coming down in the next county, lol...
Love the 30-30 as an all round rifle but 45-70 looks like so much fun to destroy things with
I love em all!
I have the model 94 32special and I love it. It is an ammo that is hard to find. My Winchester was made in 1947 and still shoots.
I bought my 32 special second hand in 1965 when I was 14 years old. I used it a lot until I sold it in 2015. It was special to me growing up.
@@rooky55 I bought mine in 1967 and still possess it. I take to the range whenever I can find ammo.
@@11430284 I think that you are good to go with 30 30 ammo in your 32 but check it out for yourself.
Who tee who. Hey I was thinking of a test last night that I think might be neat since I've not seen it done anywhere. How about sandwiching a cast iron skillet between 2 clay blocks? It would be like 3 tests in 1. It would show energy at impact, then the skillet would simulate hitting a solid heavy bone, then as the bullet goes into the 2nd clay block it would test penetration or remaining energy to further penetrate. Also, the pieces of bullet and skillet would become secondary projectiles and do further damage.🤔🧐
Good idea
I love the clay videos! Love my 30-30! I have a 1960’s Sears Model 54, made by Winchester a basic copy of the model 94 Your 94 has beautiful wood on it! No worries with the bluing wearing off, just more character. I love how that clay is like “boom!” Then it’s suspended in motion once it lands! Amazing!
BOOM
@@WHOTEEWHO Kinda the gun equivalent of the Velveteen Rabbit story. If the bluing is a bit worn, the gun is well loved.....
I have harvested 17 bear since 1973 when dad and i brought home a good sized black bear. Most of these were gunned down with a single shot from hand loaded 30-30 round. Do not under estimate the 30-30 up to 100 yards. I am known for getting up close to my bears.
I had a friend who was one of the most successful elk hunters I have ever known. He hunted most of his life with a .32 Special. The key is to know the firearm you hunt with and have confidence in yourself. It always amuses me how the 45/70 has returned and everyone thinks of it as some super powerful cartridge. I remember when it ceased to be produced and the .444 came into popularity. We always called the 45/70 a pumpkin thrower, there are so many more powerful cartridges out there.
Like what? Down range ballistics are so much better for the 45/70 than the 444. A cartridge that has been around as long as the 45/70 and still competing and kicking ass has a lot to say about it. Not to mention the versatility of it. I can load it with smokeless or black powder. there's not many other popular cartridges you can say about that.
@@shumway2323 I can load every firearm I own with black powder and I make my own. You are not well educated if you don't believe there are many more powerful cartridges than the 45-70. I didn't say the .444 Marlin was more powerful than the old pumpkin thrower but it certainly is flatter shooting. The pumpkin thrower has a point blank range of a couple feet.
When you said old for the 30-30 I was thinking a pre 64! Lol Great video!
I thought that too......having once owned a Japanese built post-64 that literally bent parts inside until it dropped nearly every second or third round fired would drop down and jam....meaning you had to remove the magazine tube to get the round out. It did look nice on the wall though. 70's era Winchesters helped me decide to switch to Marlins.
.30-30 has always been my favorite, good power despite what a few fools say, pretty light recoil in my opinion, .45-70 will always have a special place in my heart as one was the first rifle I ever shot, that one was once my Grandfather’s rifle, kicked like a mule and damn near bowled me over as I was rather young then, and had little experience shooting period let alone a gun like that
Im glad you shot those blocks lengthwise, much better. Those hornady ftx bullets are awesome. I use them in my 30-30, they absolutely hammer game. Good job.
blowing stuff up never get old :) i bet great stress relief after work.
Nice ! Just got a 45-70 this year !! Started out on a 30-30 always a favorite! Never shoot a 32 yet!! Have a great rest of the weekend!!!
You too!
Awesome video!! Thank you!
Thanks for watching Charles!
Love the 32 Winchester M94. My brother just bought a vintage 1923 same-same from an old geezer in the mountains. My neighbor down the road also has one, but not as old.
Love the 30/30. I got a 94 winchester ranger from 1971. So kind of simular. The .32 winchester is new to me. Now i want one! 😃
Someone a 100 years from now is gonna be digging up that land..... and be confused beyond belief
Absolutely 😆😆😆
They will think there's been a civil war, between a bunch of clay dolls...
Would love to see a LeveRevolution out of the 30-30 would do to the clay. Can't wait to get my hands on a 45-70 here soon
My experience with the LeveRevolution round is it's an exciting round that brings a lot to the table. But the bullet is cup and core, not bonded, and subject to bullet breakup which shitcans penetration. I suspect performance on clay to be disappointing, the bullet disintegrating like a varmint bullet. It's not a bullet I'd use on bigger game because of that. It has it's plusses and minuses, something each individual should look in to before choosing it. I'd love to see Hornady bond those bullets. They make an all copper version too but I'm still unable to find those for testing.
I really started to like Marlins again when I found an aftermarket product that doesn't disable the cross bar safety, but converts it to a gun screw. So much more pleasant to my eye. And as you so aptly demonstrated, you won't click when you need to go bang.
I have shot the 30-30. and the 45-70. Both are very good hunting rifles. Love to watch you shoot the clay block's. Thanks for all your work.
I love em all! Thanks for watching Ricky!
Awesome vid again. 45-70 hits hard! It's great when you get the results on big game with it. You could use the left over clay to re-enact the scene from Ghost with it! 😂😂😂
4570 smacks em hard!
Guess what the Gatling gun that was used in the 1800 by the US Calvary was in 45-70
please forgive this ol lady would like to see the same thing only at 100 yards. That said I love your videos. keep up the great work. By the By never sale a gun. back in the 70s I had a brand new 30-30 model 94. sold it when I went into the Air Force, yes kicking my self for doing it.
Agree 100%
I love these videos!!! Any chance that you could get your hands on a .22 TCM pistol? I'd love to see what it would do to a block of clay, and see how it compares to the .17 HMR, the .22 mag, and the 5.7 FN.
Happy Halloween 🎃 🎃 🎃 Brocephus!!! Thanks for the vid!!! Great content as always!!!
Great Video WTW!! As you know I like me some 45-70!
Thanks for watching Chuck! 4580 is a BEAST
I’ve been waiting for this one WHO_TEE_WHO. You inspired me to get one of those marlin model 1895 45/70 rifles. I absolutely love it, still haven’t found a deer or a bear to take with it... YET!! But I won’t give up. Thank you sir!!
Gotta love 4570!!!
John Peets he's got me wanting to get a 45-70.
I have three pre-64 Winchester Model 94’s, all chambered in .32WS, my first deer rifle. Love the round and love my Model 94’s!!
Fun video! Thanks Whoteewhoo!
Thanks for watching Tim!
There ya go again! Creating a natuonwide shortage of modeling clay! It was 0 degrees here this morning. I wonder how frozen clay would react to being shot! Take care.
Have to try it
That would be awesome to see
@AKYukon ....oh yeah, it would be interesting to see if it blows apart as dramatically. Definitely should stand farther back, getting hit with frozen clay schrapnel would not be fun. Hmm, that's a thought,...would the heat generated by the energy transfer at impact be enough to cause a noticeable thaw of the frozen clay. In other words, damage from near instantaneous melting versus damage purely from kinetic impact. Great, 0434 and I haven't gotten to bed yet & now I created something to ponder. Sheesh. Thanks alot AKYukon. LOL
@@pauld6967 Ya know, you have a point. I think the thawing would be dependent on the speed and shape of the projectile. If it was flat, it would transfer the energy faster and wider on impact, if it was fast enough. If it was pointed, it would transfer energy, but in a narrower channel? Hmmm Ultimately I think thawing would be on a very small, rapid scale, close to the projectile.
@@akyukon There is always a tradeoff. 🙂 Presuming that velocities are equal, a pointed projectile focuses the kinetic energy thus having a greater shattering effect and greater passthrough than a blunt/flat-nosed round. However, it won't expand as much (although tumbling may compensate) in terms of wound channel and it won't "dump" it's kinetic energy into the entire object. So less chance of knockback/knockdown. In my opinion. 🙂
perfect demo of why i like the 30-30 in the US for hunting or home defense... it dumped its energy within that block, the 32 over penetrated, and 45-70 was just overkill
Dude. A 3030 for home defense probably shouldn't be your first option.
@@terraversalvoid5391 I have a large open yard.. my home defense stretches over the whole place.. if someone makes it inside the house itself my handgun would likely be my first grab . But half the time I'm shooting critters with in a hundred yards. From dogs and hogs to deer or druggies .. my 30-30 takes care of almost all of it.
@@Jonathan32177 okay. That makes a ton more sense with context. My brain goes immediately to a 10-15 yard encounter indoors.
@@terraversalvoid5391 I've dropped hogs with in 10-15 feet .. the short profile of the 30-30 actually makes it a nice quick aim or hip fire choice for close quarters in a pinch . Not to mention the added bonus of the knuckle guards if it ever came down to wacking someone with it lol.. But oddly enough I found the 17 HMR revolver is a perfect partner with a 30-30.. classic look and with the right rounds ... the 17hmr can do an amazing amount of dmg with in just a few inches with no worry of over penitration .
After my younger brother was born our dad bought 2 Winchester model 94's in 32 Winchester Special. I'll be 59 this December, we still have and use those rifles. They will always be favorites, soon my grandson will be using mine for deer hunting.
Very cool
The 45/70 packs a punch now great video you and Paul made see y’all soon GOD BLESS
I'd like to see what they would have done to that wood block
Paul hiding in background cracked me up.
Hiding from clay
I had a friend who lived in the mountains near me that hunted most of his early life with a .32 Special. He harvested a lot of elk with that rifle and he had bear rugs hanging on all walls from the use of that caliber. It is lodge poll pine so mostly close shots.
There are 4 distinct generations of Winchester Model 94. 1. Pre-64 guns with all milled parts and reciever 2. Post 64s all with recievers made of powder forged steel and stamped sheet metal cartridge lifter with a cheaper finish. The hammers on all post 64 guns have horizontal cuts instead of checkering for grip. 3. The 1970s model 94s went back to a milled cartridge lifter after complaints of broken and bent lifters. They also slightly improved the bluing and wood finish. 4. 1980s+ guns with nearly the same quality as 1970s guns, but with a cut on the reciever and different ejector to facilitate angled ejection for scope mounting.
The 30-30 was my dads favorite and has a spot in my heart because of that. But I love the .45-70!
I love em all!
45/70 makes a mess when you hit something can't go wrong with that round.👍
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If you are actually hunting large game the 45-70 does a lot less meat destruction than most magnum rifles. My 6mm Remington does more damage to meat than the 45-70. If you double the weight of the bullet you double the foot pounds of energy but if you double the velocity of the bullet you quadruple the foot pounds of energy. The 45-70 and like rifles use the bullet mass to achieve deep penetration creating a long wound channel. I have a CVA Scout 2 in .444 Marlin and in 2019 I harvested my elk with a 266 yard shot. I was shooting from above the animal and the bullet struck between the shoulder blades and passed to the ground below. I was able to eat the meat right up to the wound channel.
I know the light 300 grain JHP 45/70 magnum loads will make quite a mess, they’re cooking at 2350 FPS though, which for a 45/70, is really fast. About 1000 FPS faster then the standard Remington Core Lokt 405 grain rounds. I always shot the 405 grain buffalo bore standard pressure full power rounds here in the northeast . 1650ish FPS, 2400 ft lbs of energy. Excellent close range deer slayer
That little Wrangler is a nice Trapper variation. Those little carbines are so handy. Not much bigger than a Super Blackhawk Ruger, yet are solid 150 yard shooters.
I looked forward to this vid and you did not disappoint. Thanx much! 👍🏽🇺🇸
Thanks for watching Byron!
Love the 45-70 great bear gun
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I have the 45-70 but I love all three. I took my first deer with the 30-30.
I love em all!
I have 45-70 and 30-30 both in a marlin love the old calibers very effective ,great video as usual
Kickass video, thanks. I have the Marlin just like yours
That marlin packs a punch
Love my Henry 45/70. 👍🇦🇺🇺🇸👍
I need a henry
@@WHOTEEWHO . You won't be disappointed, checked out all brands and couldn't believe how smooth the henry was. Now they have a side gate version as well i might need another. 👍🇦🇺🇺🇸👍
45/70 is my favorite big bore lever gun, small bore is still the Winchester 92 in 32-20.
💪💪 4570 has the boogie
I have a 38-40, always wanted a 32-20, just seems so petite and deadly.
Love the music! Thanks for sharing! You know it’s the 45-70!
Always appreciate you watching Russell!
30-30 I had 1st. Shoot with 1 in 1946 and boy did it drop my deer I was 8 yrs old . I've used 1 off and on since. Very Underated.
Well I see now it was the 45-70 that would been the right guess on Facebook. I guessed 300WM. Very impressive! Slapped that clay like a red headed step child 😂
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Converted a static display to more hang time than an NFL punter, lol....
Got to love the 4570 .
Absolutely
Always had a sweet spot for the 32 Win Special because my dad had one. My son bought his first gun, a 45-70, and that’s proving to be a lot of fun to cast, reload, and shoot!
My dad had a 1956 Winchester 94 in 32 win.spl.The rest of us kids had 30/30's.They both take deer just fine.I now own 3of the 4. Two Winchester's and one Marlin 336.I have always loved the lever guns.Light and compact for brush hunting here in my area.
All ready give you thumbs up. I enjoy all your videos. God bless who tee who and his family. Hope to catch parts of the live feed. Hope all goes great from NC
Appreciate you watching bigtime Joel
That was very impressive on the clay, but my experience on multiple deer and antelope with the 30-30 with the hornady FTX bullet and the 45-70 with the 300 gr hollow point, was exactly the opposite. The 30-30 smacked them down hard with lung hits, the 45-70 was extremely underwhelming. The 45-70 was so disappointing I've hardly used it since. Maybe different bullets will improve its performance, maybe it would work better on bigger game that has more resistance to the bullet.
BS
@@samhollan4570 I'm not interested in your BS, I am interested in the actual performance on game that I experienced.
30-30 is one of the favorites!
Love the various sound track background music.
Cowboy 🤠
Like some others have commented, My Marlin 336 in 35 Remington has always been my "go to" lever gun, with Hornady Lever Evolution ammo loaded in it. All 3 rifles in the test performed well. I also have a Winchester 94 and a Marlin 336 lever gun in 30-30. I may have to take a look at a lever gun in 45-70. It was very impressive. I have a the Browning 22 lever action, and my Nephew has the Henry 22. Both, great plinking and small game rifles.
Very nice
Imagine what one of the new Long Rangers would do in 243 or 308. I currently have 30-30, 44 mag and a 45-70 in the safe. Need to add a 35 and 32 Win Spc to the mix.
my dad has 30-30 marlin and my brother shot a turkey and hog with dropped both of them
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I love all 3 of those rifles.
Me too!
Love these videos!! Gotta go with the 4570 here.
Great video, however after seeing the 357 magnum vs 10mm vs clay blocks video it has me wondering what would the 357 magnum do if fired from a carbine.
30-30 is a legend it wins and proven in its class
45-70 is just frigging awesome!
I agree
My father in law gave me a Winchester model 94' 30-30 that was still in the plastic wrapper in a box from J.C. Penny. His dad bought it in the 60's for $65
Alaskan here. I have been carrying me Marlin 45/70 for over 45 years. It has never let me down and I feel safe in the woods.
Love lever guns!
Me too!
My dad has a model 94 30-30 he had it since he was 16 he’s 51 now
Very nice
I bought mine when I was 15, turned 61...😀
My dad always carried a 35. Remington, as his brush gun. I had a 30-30 marlin and a 32.special winchester. My favorite was 32.
How in the world did I miss watching this video. 45-70 and clay. Two of my favorites.... Better late than never.....
Great video!! All 3 are bada*s!! If possible I'd like to see ya do the same test with a 357 mag and a 44 mag in a lever rifle. See what happens... Keep up the great work!!!
Good idea
You just sold a 4570, definitely my next purchase 😲
The music! 🎶 LMBO! I 💘 it. Made my night. Thank you, boys.
Love the 94 30-30. Great Americana deer rifle...clay too! Fun video.