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Today we are going to take a look at the problems of Leopard 2 tank. Considered by many as the best tank in the world, it has faced harsh criticizm after Turkey suffered horrible losses in Syria.
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*To sum up the video:* Since the Leopard 2A5 upwards the only major issue is the Hull-Ammo storage
And left side armor on the turret
@@aleksaradojicic8114 Left turret cheek composite is a problem on the arjun
@@StYLaZOo And on the Leopard, because its only spot where you cant add armor on turrent, if understand video correcticly.
@@aleksaradojicic8114 Yeah the leopard does have less armour behind the sight
@Dannebrogs Søn Not in the latest model
roast the arjun more to boost my self confidence
Can't believe a superpower now wants to see it ahead of 3rd world countries 😂😂😂
Nah, I’ll mention your weak ass upper glacis to make you depressed
@@s.31.l50 butthurd indian 😂😂 you play too much warthunder bro
AK 47 I’m not even Indian WTF. Also the abrams does have a weak upper glacis, it does not have any composite behind it, and has no ERA in front of it. It’s literally a very sloped steel plate
@@s.31.l50 i know it does but is that a big problem nooo bro bcs now days militarys use completely diferent tactics than back in ww2 they dont just send tanks out there to kill some other tanks without infaranty support n shit. There are no more tank vs tank battles
2:25 "Oh Yes! Let's see this car get crushed... Oh come on!" 😂
we got blue balled
Same here, but nice vid anyways
Awww i wanted to see that car crushed thought :(
I saw that live I think, because I was at a show at the WTD 91 which is an arms testing facility of the German army where they do shows now and again and that terrain looked rather similar.
Spoiler: it was just pushed away
This series thought that every single tank in the world is completely useless ... thus they are well balanced :D
Thanos: Balance as all thing should be Correct me if i got that wrong
They weren’t USELESS, they were flawed. Even good, effective systems have FLAWS, that does not make them useless.
@@s.31.l50 sarcasm
exept arjun. That thing is just not....competetive
Face it, the great era of tanks is coming to a close. They're becoming like dinosaurs more and more. All tanks nowadays can easily be neutralized by enemy with decent portable anti tank weapons. If the Soviet Union had starting mass producing German Panzerfaust weapons, the tank era would have ended right there.
The Turkish Leo 2's are A4 version. Produced in the 80's and never upgraded . Also the Turks didn't used the Leo's in a smart way . Driving in a urban area without infantry support is like asking to get an anti tank rocket shot right in your face .
lol, i heard this excuse so often allready
@@janoshvondach5866 I mean its more an fact than excuse. I think the leopard is more like fire and move instead of fire and fortification. I mean if you want fire and fortification you can use tanks like the maus or ratte XD
@@noheadgaming7393 so… u comparing a tank from the 80s to a tank from the 2nd world war… which dident actually exist and a tank from the 2nd world war that had one prototype. and now u wanna tell me the turks dident use the „best tank in the world“ the right way?? i guess if the turks buy leopards they train their crew on how to use a leopard…
@@janoshvondach5866 thats the problem after the army tryed to overthrow the government a lot of officers and soldiers from the armored brigades where inprosoned. So the soldiers which where used in this campain had no cometent leaders or trained crewmembers.
And the turkish Leopards got destroyed by Panzerfaust 3, a german antitank-weapon and the milan. And the kurdish fighters were trained from german soldiers for using that weaponsystem against isis... is working against turkish troops too.
Any tanks survivability is compromised when it is sent in without proper support.
exactly , when used as intended ( hull down, air superiority , good reconnaissance , commanding the kill zone etc ) hull storage isnt a problem
Served in a Pioneer Division in my country fór one year. thats the First Thing we learn there without Proper Support any mbt or Other vehicles are easy to kill even with explosives
Same thing with aircraft carriers, without any escorts then it's just a fancy billion dollars piece of scrap that is vulnerable to virtually any form of attack. People generally think that a single large piece of war machine are some superweapon that takes an insane amount of firepower to bring one down.
Not always. Some countries use(d) them against civilian demonstrators. Also very useful for road blocks.
@@DarkZerol yea some billion or trillion dollars aircraft carrier vs 1 speedy torpedo boi
Red Effect: here are the flaws and limitations in the design of X MBT. Mouth Breathers: so what you are saying is that this MBT sucks.
"Reee, he said something bad about this piece of military hardware that I only feel a marginal connection to because I happened to be born in a country that uses it, at least until they replace it with something better once that comes along."
@@Tepid24 Exactly. So many people are blinded by faux patriotism.
XD
They'd be crying uncle under the weight
Weeb Extraordinaire idk even know what the kurdish army uses as there tank lol
HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT MY WEAKNESS
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@@prashantsharmastunning Good
They never know the leopard 2 beast XD
We have been exposed!
Hey, your brother Leopard 2A7V has got some upgrades, like better night vision and armour and stuff
I know you largely focus on MBTs, but I'd love to see some videos on modern IFVs as well. Great content, keep it up bru.
The picture of Merkel worrying about the Leopard 2 is hilarious!
Hitler must've been rolling in his grave......Wait, in his ash jar.
Merkel is worrying about your plan. Not about the tank.
@@martialme84 No need to worry. The Plan is perfect and will lead to swift victory with minimal casualties!
@@alfredvonschlieffen6813 I am so relieved to hear that. Proceed! XD
Main problem with leopard tanks is that they suck
😂
What tanks does your country operate ?
@@axelscharf2415 Abrahms... they also suck
Than enlighten us which tank doesn't suck in your opinion Mr.Tank expert ?
Hello, first I would like to say thank you covering the al khalid tank as I requested. I was hoping you could do the Turkish atlay tank
Sounds cool but it will be hard for him to find solid information on that
*Altay and its too hard to find information he can make a video about M60T
altays are pretty much k2 black panther
@@user-tt9eu4up2kthat's because turkey cant even find an engine in order to produce it lol
@@fliqpythekiller9950 Main issue about Altay is armor since its producers havent done anything with armor before.
you would expect more people to watch this now.
Ikr
Compareing the leopard 2a4 with the latest 2a7 is like compareing the t72b with the t90m. The latest leopard 2a8 or ng2 is probably the best in the world .
Well some people would argue the t72-b version is better that any t-90 . Both tanks are literally equal garbage . The optics are medieval compared to almost any other mbt produced right now. Nightfight capability is Zero in both tanks .Not even the russian doctrine can excuse that anymore .
However Leopard 2 is the most overrated tank in the world.
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars it is. It actually is a pretty bad tank and one reason why Scholz won't give them to ukraine is probably the fear that the low quality of the L2 is recognized all over the world.
@@Kl-bx9gv I have this suspicion too!
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars German weapon systems are hopelessly overrated. The Leopard 2 in particular, for whatever reason. The tank has so many problems and flaws that I wonder why anyone would consider it the "best tank". The armor is way too weak - because they wanted to save money to be able to manufacture and sell the tank cheaply. The armor corresponds to the technology of the 1960s and is probably not even superior to the T72. Unprotected ammunition is stored in the hull - one hit and it explodes. Also reminiscent of the T72 of the Russians. The range of the gun is rather short compared to other Western tanks. The only advantage of the Leopard 2 is the low price - it costs a lot less than Challenger or Leclerc or K2. That's the only reason this outdated tank was bought like crazy. In Ukraine, it would suffer similar losses as the T72 - because the Leopard is no better than that. The Ukrainians only want the L2 because 20 states use it and therefore many are available. Understandable, but no proof of quality. Germany would be well advised not to buy the next tank from the incompetent German manufacturers who have already sold the next heap of scrap with the Puma. However, the Germans are absolutely incapable of learning and believe that they always have "the best" device. By the way, I'm German and can only shake my head at this stupid attitude. Poland is absolutely right to buy the K2. Probably far superior device.
Depends entirely on which version of the Leopard 2 you are talking about.
People be like “No, Leopard the best!” “No, Abrams the best!” Urban environment, “Allow me to introduce myself.”
"I'm about to end this man's whole career."
That one mf with rpg: - u guys are both penetratable on the side👳♀️
No. There are no flaws with Leo 2. You are wrong. Leo 2 was copied from Arjun. Hence it can’t have flaws. Good video tho.
The Arjun is the best weapon in history, past, present, future
Jotaro Bridge hahahah lol. Nice joke
And you really need to be a tank nerd to get this joke.
Dude u sure Leo2 is the first than Arjun
@@diddums1643 It's a joke. The Arjun is a really, really, bad design that has a lot of elements copied out of the Leo II. The only two tanks I'm aware of that are worse are the Bod Semple tank and a British prototype that the evaluation crew drove for 12 miles, then got out and refused to get back in.
You completely forget the military doctrine for which the Leopard 2 was designed. During the whole cold war and many years Later, The german armed forces where purely a defencive force. The Leopard 2 was designed with hull down pre dug / pre surveyed fireing possitions for defencive and delaying tactics. Since every MBT has to be a compromise in some points, otherwise you end up with Maus. Further more, the thermal imagine unit was not pressent in the 1979 released Leopard 2, since it was not fully developed at that time. Thus the Leopard 2A1 received the thermal imaging sight, the Leopard 2A2 where then retrofited Leopard 2. Also with your critisim of the commander periscope, that was pressend already on the 1979 model, where i.e. the Abrams only received it with the M1A2 model. I give you that, yes, it is kinda a joke that the commander sight received 3 upgrades by the time the gunner sight received it's first :-) As for the ammo storrage in the hull, yes that would be a weak point, but again, doctrine hull down, not offence, yet the front is well armored, so also the heavy side skirts on the front. Also, yes, sides are weaker than the front, which is normal, as for compromise, otherwise you get a Maus, not to speak of the roof, which is just a few cm of Steel. Back to the ammo storrage, that problem has been resolved by other means, the new propelants are much less likely to cook off when struck. German doctrine sets on a highly mobile tank, not on a sitting somehow mobile bunker. Not sure what you where going on about the fire suppresion system, but the Leopard 2 has a halon gas based fire suppresion system, with 2 operatrional modes, open flame detection and sparc detection. Open flame would be for combat operations with no enemy contact expected, sparc detection for battle situations. I don't know how much of that is public knowledge, so I will not go deeper in that system. Also the composit armore package was upgraded several time in the life time of the Leopard 2. I will also admit, that the german version is by far not "the best" version of the Leopard 2, already back in my days, when we just received the 2A5, the Sweeds had their much more modern StrV 122 I'm realy looking forward to the german forces receiving the Leopard 2A7A1 with the best part beeing, BRAND NEW HULLS :-) Edit: for the "modernized" A4 variants, none of those are from KMW, those are inexpensive retrofit packs for Leopard 2A4 operator countrys that don't have the means or willingness to fully upgrade too an A5 turret.
Die Leopard 2 ist ein Schön Panzer. Ich mag der Panzer hören. Deutsche Technik ist Welt klasse. Viel Liebe von Irland 🇮🇪 🇩🇪
Cheers mate! .. But please don't compliment us too much, a monster called arrogance is always lurching for the self-satisfied ;) ❤️ 🇪🇺 ❤️
@@damianm-nordhorn116 true arrogance is a bigger killer then weaker armour
@@mikeoxsmal8022 definitely.
@Dannebrogs Søn no, My German isn't the best. Was ist Schlecht?
@Dannebrogs Søn it was fine
I really do hope you make a video about some lesser known MBTs, preferably from the Cold War era, like Osorio and Olifant. PS. Is the request for the Iranian tanks still up, or it's a lost cause?
Nah it isnt a lost cause
Iranian tanks are not that interesting, they mostly use well known tanks we all know. The ones they build/upgraded on their own do only exist in so small numbers that 1) they don't actually matter on the battlefield 2) there is is almost no deeper information about them.
Olifant is just a modernised centurion. Nothing special about it aside from ERA and electronic equipment. Iranian tanks are not very interesting as most of them are imports.
Great video, this time you addressed the biggest issue of this tank, ie. the unsafe ammo rack in the hull. And added to it you also gave a great solution for that problem, kraus maffei should use merkava protected bin type ammo storage style for the Hull ammo of leopard 2a7. Well explained.
The best way to protect the hull ammo rack is to stay hull down, or add more protection to it. One is doctrinal, the other is already done. Have you seen the hull armour values for the STRV-122 and Leopard 2A7? They're incredibly impressive.
@@AllThingsCubey yeah i had seen the values of leopard2a7's hull front and swedish trails also assured same values for 2a6.
Won't really do any good. In fact a sealed bin would probably make the problem worse. A sealed bin would contain the overpressure and heat just long enough to set off the remaining ammo. If you don't have a way to vent the explosion outside the tank - your better off with keeping the ammunition inside spall liners.
Of course the american kids started crying
Look who's crying now
Man you really make the best videos on armor out there, so informative
So most problems are solved in more recent versions. That's quite comforting.
most except for ammo storage.
Wich is very rare tank
@@azrael9016 Well, this part of the tank should be protected by properly applied tactics ;)
the T90 is similiar case
@@azrael9016 Well, the greatly improved hull protection of the STRV-122 and Leopard 2E/ Leopard 2A7V would count as the fix, would it not? there are very few rounds in the world that can get through that at combat ranges.
I love your vids. Since i found this channel. There is any about the swedish strv tanks? Keep the good work.
I think even with it's flaws it's still a pretty solid tank. It will serve the germans well for years to come i predict
Not sure but i think the only issue still persisting in the current A7 version is the ammo thing in the hull.
@@TheDude50447 no ammo stowage in hull was moved to the turret in the a7. the a4 had hull ammo problems.
@@TheDude50447 Just Remove the ammo from the hull problem fixed
2:25 oh come on! You could continue explaining while letting us watch gravity in action! What a tease :( Edit: well at least we get to see the aftermath!
The leopard 2 was designed to defend Germany against Russia. It’s a defending tank. Taking this into account, the ammo in the hull makes much more sense.
If you want a TRUE defending tank, you should see the Russian Tanks, those are textbook defense-oriented tanks
Well that and the Challenger 2
@@TheNicestPig No, they are definatly not. They are the defination of attack tanks. Thats why they have cramped compatments, are able to be mass produced and lack a good reverse gear. Russias defence since the lessons of the second world war was always the offence sadly for the western civilization.
@Captain Germany They are made to just sit in one place and shoot, hence the crap depression, weak lower glacis and sub-par mobility (at least on T-90A), cramped crew spaces has nothing to do with anything. If anything, it made the tank smaller, harder to hit, and more armored. Slow reverse gear was also a decision centered around having a smaller profile.
@Captain Germany And by that i mean Tanks made for defense purposes, not an armor-orientated tank.
Very good and objective analysis thank you
Play Warthunder now no life for 1 year to unlock 1 nations top tier tank woohoo. Greatest decision ever, to uninstall WT. Great vid
Not really.........., if you can manage your life well enough. You only need to git gud. And be patience.
It is a game that lasted for very long time. Need so much time and hard work to unlock the top rank vehicles. Yours is just tank, not to mention planes, boat & ships, and helicopters. It is a game that took very very very long time to "finish" and what i meant is to unlock all of the vehicles (premium vehicles excluded) i've been playing WT for about 4 or 5 years now and im still stuck at rank 4 and 5 tanks (non premium) because i've never played it too much. If you always play RB (and possibly SB) you'll unlock the vehicles very fast, if you use boosters, premium vehicles, and premium account it'll be very quick. I use premium account and vehicle to unlock german tech tree from pz 4 to tiger 2 in less than a week (but it's arcade, i should've played RB)
Lemon Haze maybe you’re just bad at War Thunder
Well I play it since 5 years now and if you play it from time to time you'll also make progress. But what most people forget is that you don't need to play top tier to actually have fun in the game, the games where I do have the most fun are in the lower tiers!
@@mathemitelmar5546 I agree with that. I settle on tier 3-4 but get more than 1 nation, have a lot of fun ,and actually have a life. Ppl only focus on top tier nowaday
Thanks for the uploads.
Love your videos, RedEffect! ❤️
Totally agree with all of them. But i wanna point out that many issues where removed in later varients, and that the hull ammo doesn't have to be used, you can, simply just put ammo in the turret compartment. Another factor to consider is that the leos (especially leo1) rely on their speed and not their armor to survive shots.
That last point is very true since most of the time the first shot matters the most.
I don't think a mbt with 15 rounds of total ammo count will ever be good, this is real life not war thunder
@@Jason-jb1vs the main threat to them are manpads, i´m not sure how much tank to tank action they see and i kinda doubt that they´ll use those against infantry or houses, and we´re not talking about 15 shots, but about 5*15 shots, even if the kurds use some armored vehicles they wont have many of them
@@moritzk3004 tanks in Ukraine are carrying over 60% heat and he, and only a few darts, most of the tank shells are fired at fortifications, if a tank only carries 15 rounds it’ll be in more trouble since how often they need to leave their position for refills, to my knowledge Russians and Ukrainians over fill their tanks with shells, those turret flying Abrams in middle east also exploded because of over filling ammos, they know the risk of it and still did it, shows how important ammo carrying ability is
@@Jason-jb1vs comment is 3y+ old, example in the video is the turkish kurdish conflict, ukraine didnt have leo2 back then, and the kurds didnt have AFVs or fortifications and mostly fought in the syrian mountains unless you wanna use a 120mm in the mountains against one dude behind a rock you won´t need more than 10 shells, the tanks where there for cover and not for their main armament 2 Edits, they used some long range fire positions as basically artillery, where they operated without infantry support, but even then they still have acces to the supply trucks from their platoon, which carrys backup ammo
Can you make video about PT-91 twardy?
I love the leo2 but there are problems with every tank and I’m glad that you have an unbiased opinion but btw the shell problem with hull ammo all u gotta do is take only 16 rnds
Thanks for doing a good and unbiased job, Red Effect. Stay cheeky breeky!
Would it be possible to upload the Arjun videos on an alternative video site like Bitchute or whatever?
I agree on the hull armour, but it is one of those things you learn to live with. dont put the tank in position where it is likely to get shot in the weak spots. using terrain to your advantage is half of tank battle. leopard 2 has a brilliant engine and it move very quickly from one place to another, this is something the video failed to mention. (even in reverse, which is something the russian tanks are not very good at) also, the sight weakness was fixed in 2a5 and versions after that as the main gunner sight was lifted above then angled armour. 2a4 still has this weakness, but considering you have to be facing the front of the turret to make that shot I wouldnt call it too much of a weakness. the leopard main gun can hurt anyone who gets a view from that perspective anyway ;) finally, the thermal sight: I personally liked the sight. sure, it lacks some automatic image adjustment functions like newer generation thermal sights do, and some have some interference on the screen, but overall it worked really well when I used it. emes15 is a brilliant main sight and works really well with the leopard 2 stabilizer. I dont think it can really be called bad if you have a user who can manually keep it adjusted to weather conditions.
Useless video. Almost the same as making a video about original T-72/ Abrams and compering it with modern tanks. Every western country has upgraded all the tanks at leased Leopard 2A5. Becaused of the political situation the Turkish army cannot upgrade their tanks.
yeah thats pretty big problem. Hopefully the new altay tank is good enough to replace 2A4s
@@localdrugseller6431 I'm Turkish but he'll yeah Altay iş A big joke man
Hell*
@@radonsider9692 Hiç de bile. Bir motorla şanzıman bulsunlar tanka Abramsla leopard 2a5lerle kapışacak kadar iyi bir tanka benziyor. ha motor ve şanzıman bulabilirler mi o ayrı ama şu ana kadar tank iyi duruyor
@@localdrugseller6431 Yani o kadar iyi olacak gibi durmuyor da sıkıntı acaba bunlar her zamanki gibi boş vaat gibi yani belli bir component olmayınca bu iş çöp olur
3:56 am sorry but this is wrong. When I was doing my service, my commander's sight on the leopard 2A4 was equipped with thermal imaging system.
Then you werent in a 2a4. My 2a4 did not have thermal sight for the commander.
@@jedispartancoolman Lol well what army were you in ?
@@makarovj6871 Singapore
@@jedispartancoolman Well there are two options, either you're a liar or you didn't listen to shit when you were in the army ahahah. Because as far as I know, Singapore never got Leopard 2A4's, they only had Leopard 2SG's which are another kind. And yes the 2A4 commander's sight "PERI" has 1st generation thermal imaging.
@@makarovj6871 they are the same except for the armor upgrades. No imaging or software upgrades. Infact I just went to look up if the base 2a4 had thermal imaging for the commander and sources say no. So perhaps you are the liar?
T-72: Finaly worthly oponent
So...basically, the early 80s version of the LEO2 has problems in todays threat environment ? Please remind me....which early 80s version of a tank wouldn't have problems today ?
Do he ever mentioned that this tank has problems while others not?
good job as always !
I don't know where you got your information about leopard 2a6 or 7, but the crew commander has a full thermal day and night sight with complete fcs. i won't enter in details cause it's classified informations. Leopard 2a6 and 2a7 can withstand any direct hit without penetration of any type of known rounds, knew or old types. Don't worry the armor behind the main sight, is also full protected , so do the hull's ammo bin with multiples means of protections. The outer components can still be damage and replace properly by the maintenance platoon of a squadron. Never take granted that the informations on based internet games like war thunder or world of tank is accurate. Most of the time, the information is bias for any reasons. Never forget that sensitive military informations in the real world are highly classified. Like the composition of the new mbts armors or its thickness. Note: the only reason a Turkish leopard 2a6 would explodes, is that the crew itself blown up their tank with special charges to make sure it doesn't fall in wrong hands cause of tactical awareness or incapacity of towing it out to the safe zone of the first line maintenance.
"informations based on internet games" are rather inaccurate, yep. They are entertainment games, thats all, nearly nothing to do with reality. Nothing period. (former gunner and later commander of IFV Marder, the infantry element carrier tailored to support and defend Leopard 2 in the cold war )
@@waltrohrbach2459 love the marder
This dude does not know what he's on about. I served as a gunner on a Leo 2A4NO, and we don't have any of those issues. And yes, there is extra armour around the ammo storage. And there's no easy way to destroy the Leo 2. This is fake news.
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Can you make videos to cover the heavily modernized T-54/55 variants like the T-55AGM, Pakistani Al-Zarrar and Bangladeshi Type-59BD/G? I still wonder just how effective they are in a modern battlefield.
@Aidda MBT-2000 or less the same thing since its the Chinese export version. But Pakistani Al-Khalid has some additional stuff/modifications they added like VARTA Active Protection System or Naiza 125mm Depleted Uranium rounds which Pakistan manufactures. Fire control system could be different too.
Show more love to the challenger 2 on your channel please! Love your content just want to see a dedicated video on my native tank, other than the Megatron update video.
Nice videos like the work
He’s still have best turret protection in the World and have some of the best front hull protection.He’s fast and have nice mobility.120mm Rheinmetall l/55 is just nice.
@Vyrex420 He its a he. Der Leopard Panzer
@Vyrex420 mate im german its called der Leopard. In English there is only the. Maybe that's why. Bismarck is also "die bismark " . Die Bismarck yes female. Its true that in bordjagon it was nicknamed der Bismarck. But correct form is still :die Bismarck " But tanks are called der! Die Leopard, die Panther its completely wrong. It's always der Leopard, der Panther.. der Sherman Panzer. Der Panzer Die Leoparden Panzer is still not female- thats just the multiple version
@Vyrex420 Erste mal in meinen Leben das ich jemals "she" bei einem Panzer gehört habe ja. Bei Flugzeugen schon mehrmals gehört🤷🏽♂️
Can you do Problems on the Type 96 Series? I wish to learn more of Chinese MBT’s
That might be hard considering how uptight they are with tech stats, it's mostly down to assumptions, who knows though. This guy is pretty good
The Canadian Armed Forces needed replacement tanks for the very old Leopard C2 tanks (Leopard 1). The C2s were far to vulnerable and weak for use in modern conflicts. Canada needed a new tank. So they settled on used Leopard 2A4s. The Canadian Armed Forces were well aware of this tanks shortcomings so they ended up heavily modifying these tanks. They purchased 60 used Leopard 2A4s from the Netherlands and added over 100 mm of belly armor to the lower glacious plate and front belly pan armor. This required a major upgrade to the suspension to deal with the extra 6 tons of weight this armor adds to the tank. New radios, battle computer, night vision optics, air conditioning and anti mine/anti IED EW black boxes were added. These former 2A4s were specially modified for deployment in Afghanistan when the Canadians were stationed there and were redesignated Leopard 2A6M CAN tanks.
2a4 has lack of armor protection to Modern ATGMs.. we learned it with most painfull way... We lost about 5-6 to ISIS , 3-4 to PKK (aka SDF) 9 of them shot by ATGM, 1-2 of them destoyed by trapped explosions detonation. on the other hand , Isreal modernized M60-t Sabra tanks nailed everyone , took multiple hit but gave only small caulties . So our army learned a great lesson from field: If you want to destroy other tanks , take Leopard 2 If you want to deal with infantry armed with ATGMs inside of urban-bad terrained area, use M60 Sabra
"Significantly increasing the cook off time and chance of catastrophic explosion" i know what he meant but thats not ideal wording.
Hes talking about the ammo right
ye from the side every tank is going nuts and most of the Leopards Systems are classified. so you cant know whats inside unless you are a member of an leopard crew
unless you're spy
also they were desinged for mass warfare for against russia in huge tank formations so the side armour wase les inportand. because it wase entering service around the cold war period. so it's not weird at all as it is a quite old tank but stil one of the best beqause we all know germans make realy good stuf. can't wait for the 3 varaint tho. wil get a bigger barrel to compensate for the fact they don't use uranian enriched shels in germany.
Are you kidding? There's plenty of videos, pictures and schematics of what's inside a Leopard 2 (and Abrams for that matter). There are also simulators like Steel Beasts which are incredibly accurate. He literally show footage of those systems you call "classified" in this very video.
@@dennisvisser3910 well the leopard is called an "cavalry tank" which means that it is more used in hit and run battles. Therefore it's speed and damage it can deal.
@@4Leka okay but what you can see is often not that what is really inside. Like I see the cockpit of an f35 and still don't know what it can do.
Adequate explanation and information in an understandable way. If you want more, you know what to look for.
There is a reason why the hull storage together with a comparably weak hull armour is the weak side of the Leopard 2. German cold war tank tactics were centered around the concept of delaying action (hope this is the right translation). That is waiting in cover and behind a hillside or another kind of position for the enemy force and only exposing the tank turret to the enemy. Then after wearing out the enemy but before they reach the own lines quickly moving back, hiding in the next position and wearing out the enemy again. With this tactic in mind the protection of the turret becomes the main priority and a weaker hull protection is acceptable because the hull is not supposed to be exposed to the enemy at all but rather be hidden behind a wall of dirt.
Would love for you to next take a look at Challenger 2 and its problems
Zero problems.......longest tank kill in history and best armour.
@@daveandmerlin Zero problems? It's slow The rifled barrel is expensive, wears out faster, and can't use as many rounds of ammunition including new ones that are being developed now Two part ammunition stowage means it can't practically switch to a different gun It's armor is not the best because both the Abrams and Leopard 2 have received better armor packages
@@lowesmanager8193 how many leopards and Abrams have been lost compared to the Challenger?? Shit loads !!! Even RPGs have busted open Abrams,leopards!! Like I said the Challenger has the longest kill in Tank History and is the best armoured.
@@daveandmerlin first of all t14 is "best armoured" and also the abrams is the most common anti terrorist tank out there so it would make sense to have more casualties.
@@daveandmerlin If by "shit loads" you actually mean a few dozen then yeah sure but that's completely ignoring the fact that the Abrams used to have very little IED protection and was used much more heavily than any other MBT and it was often used in urban areas. The Leopard 2 also used to have much less protection than it does now but even so the Leopard 2s that have been lost have almost all been lost due to retarded tactical decisions made by the Turkish army with old Leopard 2s with more limited protection. Like I already said, both the Abrams and the Leopard 2 have received upgrades and redesigns to make them much more armored to the point where the armor criticism is useless. Also one kill doesn't mean jack shit compared to the numerous problems that are present with the riffled barrel that I already mentioned.
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I am a strv122 mechanic and a vig problems i have noticed are leaks in exhaust manifold, overheating electronics and overall unreliable elevtronics.
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Could you do a video on Tanks ground pressure and compare major mbt ground pressure. Love your content
Redeffect you're wrong. Leopard 2a6 and 2a7 have changed many things.
Long ago I carried a 3.5" rocket launcher for anti-tank duty in my mech infantry battalion. Because the opposing T-55 and T62 tanks were too heavily armored for a shot at the hull or turret to be effective, we were trained to get up close, say 50 meters, and hit the drive sprocket which would immobilize the tank. Unfortunately, it doesn't immobilize the turret and its coax MG. That made any attack with a 3.5" to likely be a suicide mission.
if you didn't know that leopard 2A4 is newer production of leopard 2 that has gunner sight but it was upgraded in Leopard 2A5 that made it on top of the turret which required making whole new turret for leopard 2A4 and in this video which if you didn't know that most modern Leopards are on upgraded Leopard 2 hulls and turrets reasons for this? well mostly it works better have working tank model that can be upgraded in need and be changed like M1 Abrams that was mostly just upgraded to fit newer and powerfull armors and weaponary. speaking of leopards survibility it of course lacks blow out panels on it's hull, but it wasn't made to take on any hits on the hull that why it was made to use any terrain as it's advange over it's enemies. currectly leopard 2A6 which is the newest model of leopard 2 has most protected frontal turret armor well of course it might not be most protected in paper for others to take some secrit documents to get it but it's angled frontal turret armor absorbs incoming APFSDS shells and it makes them lose their momentum and speed to be able to penetrate it's armor which in action makes it almost be invulnerable any used shells in modern tanks of course russians know this and germans know this and are trying to make them more protecting while russians mostly just need bigger gun caliber to pierce it of course this part is just being theore about it just needing bigger gun to pierce it well in my mind no well placed shots on tanks can make them be useless in battle. (speaking of caliber darts just need to be bigger)
wait… did he say that the Leo 2 got weak side armor or did i misshear something…… like no shit … the side of a tank not being the most armored part of a tank...
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Hello, can i ask where are you taking the stats of armor and rounds penetration power ? It is based on some verified data?. Could you maybe post some link. Thank you:)
Saying about the hull ammo storage, there is a common practice in Warthunder to bring only 15 rounds so there will only be ammo in the turret.
God damit - just leave the ammo storage in peace! You can leave it empty and still have the one in the turret . . . And btw. : The Leo2 has good frontal armor and a penetration will most likely will come from ABOVE by a atgm (like in Syria) and in this case your beloved blowup pannel is useless. At least I never saw a blowup pannel downwards.
Ludwig: Ein Blowup Pannel ist nicht das gleiche wie Reactive Armor. Ein Blowup Pannel ist dafür da, dass im Panzer aufbewahrte Munition bei einem Treffer sicher explodieren kann, indem der Explosionsdruck entweichen kann, anstatt den Panzer zu sprengen. Und da funktioniert das Blowup Pannel nach oben bei Treffern durch Top Attack Ammunition genau so gut, wie bei allen anderen Treffern. Ein blow up pannel nach unten würde im übrigen den Panzer durch den Rückstoß auf die SEite oder auf die Oberseite werfen.
Angela Merkel in the Thumbnail XD
@Dannebrogs Søn Why do you think so? In my opinion she is pretty okay for a conservative (keep in mind though, that I despise conservatives)
@@kalks4334 She's not conservative, she threw the german flag in the trash can and brought in lots of migrants who grow up in poor areas due to integration issues, same here in Sweden.
@@kalks4334 Ignore him its a bit rascist...
@Dannebrogs Søn Why should I care about not being in the ethnic majority anymore?
@Dannebrogs Søn That is literally not an argument. I know that we should help people in need and that we should aim for people having the freedom to choose their residence and home. Economically immigrants help us for example by decreasing the cost of commodities, this is a proven fact by peer reviewed meta-analyzes.
The design of the hull ammo storage seems crazy considering the trouble they went to with the turret storage, But it also looks like something that could be fairly easily modified.
Ok so now we remove the ammo storage in the front and every crew member puts a round up his a** to make up for it. Just making fun ; ' )
Why did you use the example pictures from the Spectus II for the Attica sight? 4:58
Who is watching this after Russia destroyed some Leopard 2s
me
Brings a cold shower on those NAFO fuunboys
Do the Swedish version of Leo 2 (strv 122). From a swede.
It's almost 100% identical to the 2A5
@@devilishwolfie6975 well I would say 95% but I get your point. The only difference really is the turret armor and the sloped front.
Its slightly worse 2a7
The 2A7V upgrade is really adding to the Leopards effectiveness, fortunately the Bundswehr ordered upgrade packages for another ~100 2a6s to the 2A7V standart, adding to the 104 2A7Vs they bought last year.
To reload turret ammorack from hull ammorack in extensive combat crew needs to find safe space and rotate turret backwards. Partial solution to hull ammorack problem is to simply load less ammunition (I believe it will cut ammo storage about a half), systematic solution is not possible without reconstructing hull and adding some elaborate vents.
They have a new type of ammo these days which is very hard to set ablaze
He’s just going around roasting everybody’s tanks😂😂😂
Let´s join together and GET HIM! No, Arjun, you can´t come. You DO suck, go away please.
So this vid is basically just about the downs of the Leopard 2 A4 xD
Average Guy ye because leopard 2 A7 is better than any Russian tank
Out of curiosity, what are the better ways to protect gunner's sight? Implicitly other modern tanks have better configuration, but I've never actually thought how it is done elsewhere.
well, new leos fixed it, gonner sight is now moved up
This problem is/was fixed with the a5 variant and turkey refused the upgrade and it refused modern tank doktrines fielding the A4 in urban warfare without cover by infantry and other armored anti personell vehicles. This is quiet well studied by Rheinmetall and the Bundeswehr actually
With each Leopard generation, the flaws of the past wash away farther and farther into just that, the past. Whenever the Challenger 2 LEP argument comes up, I get frustrated that my country was offered 200 Leopard 2A7V conversions for a great value £1.8M per tank, and we refused. Many times I see people quoting the flaws with earlier Leopard variants as evidence of why we were right to turn this down, which annoys me, because knowing the A7V's capabilities as I do, the Challenger 2 is inferior in just about every single metric other than rate of fire.
Do you play war thunder?
Been waiting for this vid !!! :)
The latest propellants are not as vulnerable to enemy fire. It can even survive a shaped charge hit.
when i served the german army back in the 90´s we had Leo2A4 and the common saying from tank crews was put in the front ammo bay some casks of beer and you have a 200% higher survivability.....if not; enjoy your last beer :-). The latest Leo1 A5 at that time were completely obsolet ....nice weapon and sight and all but you were still in a moving coffin ! only usable for hidden positions and quick position changes were a must to survive...they gave it about 15min-30min in battle !
Problems with Leclerc will be 2 hrs long 🤣😂🤣👍
What about the Leopard 2SG, and Leopard 2RI variants that increase the armor especially the side of the hull? Would it make any difference to the Ammo stored in the hull?
It would but I don't think by much
Leopard 2 is basically just a training simulator tank for conscripts and western militaries who don't have significant military capabilities
self proclamed tank experts make you mad Red. let's enjoy battle comments
Red can you now have a look to IFV, i think that you will soon turn around all modern tanks.
So far I've scrolled down but no serious fight. Maybe he avoided it by being extremely accurate about everything. The accuracy is really important and makes this high quality content
@@mathemitelmar5546 feel sad, jobless politicly militant are incredible source of fun.
Red is a self proclamed tank expert himself
@@ServusIchBins and thats how his analysis is very wrong at times
4:00 wrong...Pzb 800 was replaced in 1983 with the WBG-X by Zeiss. With the introduction of the Leo 2a5 it again changed to the PERI R17A2 with an inbuild TIM (Thermal Imaging Modul) OPHELIOS-P, later upgraded versions in Germany Canada and Denmark with the ATTICA Sytem ( a5 are no longer in Service in Germany and are stored for possible trials,canibalisation or conversion ). Standard by now for all German MBT´s is by now the PERI R17A3 or the Cassidian Optronics PERI RTWL . So your claim that the optics,rangefinders and thermal sights are 40 years old..is simply bullshit, and a simple Internet research would have given you that information. And the Problems with the 2a4 only consider the turkish ones, they have been told that those where con cepted for early cold war frontal tank batlles and where outdated in every aspect, the turkish goverment is planing to upgrade them since then. later they tried to purchse more modern Leopard variants ,but where denied to do so. the German Government feared they would use it against the Kurds ( wich they are now doing ). since that the turkish are boasting on how about they would make their 2a4 even better than the most advanced 2a7 variants under the branding "Leopard 2 Next Generation" by ASELSAN...wich you guessed it...never happend. and even build their own Version of the Leo (without License or consent from Rheinmetall or the German Government ) . Instead they introduced their "domestic" Altay Tank...wich is basicly a K2 Black Panther with a Leopard 120 mm cannon, engine and transmission..And lastly you left out to mention that the most of the turkish Leo2a4 where destroyed by turkish forces,they where incapacitated in various forms prior, and then destroyed by turkish forces so enemy forces could not salvage them...or from them. must be very convinient to only tell 32% of the facts.
one slight correction, although the commander PERI was constantly upgraded, the gunner sight and WBG wasn't, only now with the A7AV or maybe even only with the A7A1 the gunner finaly receives a new thermal sight.
In Canada the biggest complaint I've heard is always the tracks and drive wheel. I guess they have a habbit of breaking? At least its not a super hard part to swap I guess. Personally I wish we had something similar to T-90AM/MS where its 45+ tones and easy to transport through rough terrain with low weight bridges. Leopard is not so good for that. Other than the need for blow out panels, I think its a well rounded tank.
Leopard 2 destroyed in this video was in Turkish service, killed by a Kurdish female antitank missileer. On the original video, you can hear her joy as she celebrates. She has been fighting ISIS for years, and probably has more combat experience than the entire tank crew.
only this much disadvantage?
Many more will be revealed in a real war against real opponents, not T55s and T72s that turret rotates manually!
Yes, cause of basically too low funds and not actively participating in battles vs modern tank.
I want to become a tank crew member in the future. I'm looking forward to the future to serve for my country and my people, if it come to a war.
Kamerad, mach das. Ich mache das selbe. Ich z.b gehe zu dem Fallschirmjägern.
@@nrw64 Hast du auch vor, ins Ausland zu gehen? Oder hoffst, es nicht zu müssen? Viel Erfolg wünsche ich dir schonmal, für die Zukunft!
@@argumasch663 Wenn Feldwebel die Teamleitung sind, dann ist der Feldwebel wohl dee Zugführer, also der der von einem ganzen Panzerzug das Oberkommando hat. Die Offiziere haben die Verantwortung für ihr Fahrzeug und ihre Besatzung. Das ist jetzt was ich mich spontan darunter vorstelle. Mein Ziel ist es Richtschütze oder Fahrer zu werden. :)
@Alfons Falkhayn The 4 Millionen ethno-germans, who are left.
1:45 How do you get the left most rounds out of that storage?
Something to take from this, most models are A4s which has a deadly weakness. The European countries are lagging behind in upgrades, but the upgrades are becoming a hot topic. A few, such as Norway and Poland, are eying South-Koreans tanks...
Warthunder is historical accurate lmao Best Joke Ive ever heard
Well it has historical vehicles but not battles, no m4 Sherman vs tigers lmao
@@cameronpitcher4024 The vehicles are not really historically implemented.
@@212thfives8 still better than WOT
@@cameronpitcher4024 You cant compare those 2 games...Warthunder has major problems with their modules and wot dont have modules
@@212thfives8 bro literally everyone compares them
The problem with the turkish leopard 2 is the crew that manned them
Sshhh, don't speak sense!
Sly Carl Yes because a better crew would make it more resistant against a ATGM
The Turkish Leopard 2's were stock A4 version's. This version was designed to fight the Soviets on German territory, not an insurgent type war. The uparmored version's were not used. Also why not talk about the Leopard 2A4M Can. This version is rarely ever talked about.
Do a video on the EE-T2 and EE-T1 Osório tanks