Mussolini's Heavy Tank, the P26/40 | Cursed by Design
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Hey ethan i am happy you recovered from the drama.
world of tanks collab when
Thx for nice camo
Not only do you put degenerate anime stuff in your video, but you take sponsorships from the horrible predatory company that is Gaijin. I don't care how much they pay you, supporting a company like them is a horrible thing to do. The somewhat recent drama that I'm sure you knew about should've proved that they don't deserve any form of support.
@@mateimarian1937money pays bills, also It isn't like if gajing burned childs to produce premiums
When you find the answer AFTER the test...
What was the question?
@@anthimony8344 The joke is Italy finally figured out how to make the perfect tank for the early war period, but its already in mid-late war period.
@@peterni2234 I feel like a moron but I'm more in the air than on the ground
@@anthimony8344so an airhead then
@@peterni2234 Mussolini died of ligma
"Free" Warthunder only costs your soul, your unborn child, several years of your life span, your sanity, your phone number and all of your private information. None of these is exaggeration.
Ah they beauty of the gaijoobles abusive relationship
10:48 Mussolini demonstrates the function of a helicopter for his supporters.
insert Tarantella Napoletana
my hand is a helicopter, your argument is invalid
I'm elated to find not only myself to notice this
Education of the masses was always one of his biggest priorities, what a great man. /s
not quite as iconic as when he demonstrated the sleeping arrangement of a bat, but informative nonetheless
How ironic, tanks designed for rough mountainous terrain ended up being used in the desert
Its over Anakin, i have the FLAT ground!
@@joseaca1010 "you underestimate my power!" [Engine stalls]
@@joseaca1010and there's sand all over the place
I don't like sand. I like the mountains.
Even funnier is that it somehow manage to perform EVEN WORSE when used on the mountainous terrain. Italian tank performance in North Africa is far better than those in Greece and Italy mainland.
"I cant lift it with my hands, its obviously a heavy tank"
I remember this tank in a game called R.U.S.E, it being Italy's only "Advanced Heavy Tank", this was pretty much what an Italy would solely deploy in terms of tanks (Maybe the M15 on occasion) since every other vehicle Italy had in that game was a medium tank with light tank level armour, fun game
Based RUSE player
Dammi i Remember ruse, Italy was just spamming p26 and the 90mm tank destroyer, good times
@@miltank180 They've got pretty solid aircraft too, medium bomber that's as fast as most fighters lmao
I still spam out the momentous wave of M15/42's to buy time for the P26's to finish lmao
Even RUSE acknowledged that it wasn't really a heavy tank. Man, I am gonna go back and play some Ruse soon. Still remember playing that on my parent's couch, my mom being amazed that "video games can look like movies now"(she was talking about the cutscenes and the camera work of beginning mission). Fun times. The campaign and skirmishes were so much fun and artillery sounded and looked amazing (something Eugen still manages to pull off to this day, imo).
One of my favorite tanks in Warthunder by a long shot! The funny Italian meatball launcher, so cool to learn its history!!
It was really fun when I was playing it, but that was back when WT had historical MM so you were mainly on the same team as the Germans so you had counters to the heavy armor of the Russians and British
Fun fact: did you know that meatballs weren't invented in Italy? Yup the meatballs were invented by the americans, especially their inclusion in a plate of spaghetti, which was an attempt to replicate the Ragu sauce.
Wait, i thought meatball invented by chinese and swedish?
@@maximillianx1395 Meatballs exist before the US was even a thought
Swedish meatballs are of turkish origin.
Anchovy's secret weapon to achieve Anzio superiority! Only to not make much of a difference and just make their flag tank a much bigger target to shoot at.
Was a fun episode though 😂
Anchovy clearly showed herself a lackluster tactician that episode. No matter how powerful your flag vehicle it's pointless if you can't properly support it. The Japanese and the Germans could have told her that.
They saved up for 4 generations to buy it
@@clothar23 fr
I personally think the Italian idea of pursuing cross-country performance and light weight were excellent ideas for a nation such as Italy. You didn't have ton of experience in producing vehicles like these, so having something that's easy to transport and recover would lend itself well to dealing with any other shortcomings the vehicles might have. (Service time shorter? Just move them close by rail and truck.) If the task of the tanks were to knock out pillboxes and machine gun nests in difficult terrain as during WW1 and you might have interest in fighting colonial wars in Mediterranean, specializing in light tanks and tankettes wasn't the worst idea, assuming rest of your forces could catch up the slack. It also makes export markets far simpler.
It's a great inter-war design meant for a defensive war in their own territory. However, they mostly fought thousands of km from the Isonzo river, (their favorite stomping ground) negating it's advantages.
that concept evolved into Centauro, so I think it went pretty much great.
You can argue that Italian tanks are bad but their Semovente series with 75mm guns and caliber above are seriously underrated
They would blow football sized holes in anything you pointed them at. The Italian 90mm was quite a good gun
In world of tanks huh
@@turkishman4202*war thunder
Semovente 75/18 is actually quite good and prove itself a frightening opponent for Allied tanks in North Africa.
Italian armoured cars were extremely good in combat and scouting operations !!
This opened my eyes a lot about Italian tank design. I never took into account them designing tanks specifically for there mountainous terrain. a lot less of a meme now that i know more of there history...
Still today, the Italian MBT C1 Ariete has a strong frontal armor, powerful engine but lacks on side protection and its lighter compared to other European MBTs; however the idea was to have a tank that could move in the mountainous terrain and could face soviet tanks in narrow valleys. However people criticize it as the worst NATO tank as is not the best for a flat plain field like in central Europe.
The thing I am noticing with that idea, after reading the comments, is that Italy didn't have an engine strong enough to do all the lifting they were asking of their tanks. They focused on "light" because there was only so much weight their engines could haul, and still perform in mountainous terrain. This lead to them absolutely getting crushed across the board in tank design, as they kept trying to out-design through tank shape rather than actually having modernized manufacturing methods. Of course, they struggled with modernized internals, because they lacked the welding infrastructure, which I think completely and utterly damned Italy from the start when it came to tanks. Bolts simply add a shit-ton of weight, for zero strategic value, when compared to rivets. This meant they would ALWAYS suffer from heavier vehicles even if they kept the armor or guns light, and it meant their heavier tanks suffered in mobility even if the armor or guns were modern. Italy literally couldn't produce an actual "heavy tank" if it wanted to, solely because of the inability to use welding at the time. And, of course, this would damn it in mountainous regions, the one place for which Italian generals actually wanted for their tank specialty. Italian designs simply failed to perform against even standard tank designs in mountains, all because of the weight of the bolts.
@@sfigatto_0167it's actually a really good tank. Thing is though in todays time tank warfare isnt like how it was back then, now theres more advanced technology so practically anything could kill a tank nowadays considering you have anti tank guided systems that 1 shot them, helicopters with guided missiles, artillery with guided munitions, also gotta watch out for apcs and ifv's, practically any plane or jet can take them out, and much more, amd don't forget the all time classic fuckin thermite.
The old British squaddie joke was Italian tanks had 5 reverse gears, implying cowardice. To anyone who knows tank design this means they can continue to fight forwards while repositioning and is a positive design characteristic. What happened to the Italians in North Africa, that gave them a bad reputation (apart from being tricked & outflanked by the Nigerians in Ethiopia), was their infantry wasn’t motorized and so left behind in retreat from Egypt by the Germans and Italian fighting vehicles. While their elite troops fought on, their mass infantry mainly surrendered when outflanked by motorized Allied infantry in the Western Desert.
If it was completed 5-7 years earlier, it may have been pretty good.
Just 2 Years would be good for not sucking in fight
Bruh what lmao. You must have made a typo even 2 years earlier it would have been great. 7 years earlier it would have been the greatest tank on the planet.
Well yay, that time there was a massive curve on tank efficiency
With bolted-n armor, tank crews would be in danger whenever enemy artillery got a hit.
It actually was pretty good. A handful of fully constructed P40's were used by the Germans and they all found it a good tank, same for the M43 tank destroyers the Germans used in combat.
The P26/40 is one of my favourite tanks, its such a pretty lil guy
Lil. Interesting choice
@@squiglemcsquigle8414 I mean for a "heavy" tank it's quite the little dude in every aspect compared to its foreign heavy tank counterparts like the KV-1, Tiger 1 and the Churchill
@@Laconianarms it's more a medium tank. Italians just like to exaggerate lmao
@@squiglemcsquigle8414 I mean comparing to what they had already it was heavy
@@squiglemcsquigle8414Italy used a Carden-Lloyd tankette ripoff as their basis for establishing the "light" category and it skewed everything after that. You almost feel bad for them when you realize their "medium" tanks were worse protected than a Stuart.
Good overall video, but I spotted some mistakes so here are notes and corrections. 1:15 The tank was never known as the P26/40. It was called the P.75 in really early development, then Carro P., and finally P.40. I know you mention this later but might have been worth it at the start as well. 5:11 sort of, in the early '30s there were other companies developing armored vehicles (OTO, Moto Guzzi, Pavesi, Caproni) but they soon moved to other fields. This was potentially due to corruption and strategic division of armaments commissions. You have to consider all Italian armaments companies at the time, except Fiat, had been nationalized during the '20s following several financial crisis, and were controlled by assigned Fascist hierarchs. while all part of the same party, this created an intense fight for power among companies. There is a ton more to say, and this is just an incredibly short summary. 5:24 light tank, not tankette. Semantics but it is what it is, and the L stands for Leggero. 7:12 use of bolts was not in fact due lack of industrial base, as even the first SV33 series was partially welded. Ansaldo also experimented with a welded M13 turret, and was fully capable of producing a welded armored car in the Lince in 1943, as well as most of the casemate of the Semovente M43 105. The use of bolds was an economic choice by Ansaldo, taken after all other players quit the game and left them with a monopoly. Officially they managed to justify it saying it was so that damaged plates could be easily replaced even on the field. 7:56 the layout is certainly the same but the chassis is not. It is slightly enlarged, 10 cm wider, 20cm longer, the wheels are 5cm larger in diameter. 8:25 fun fact here, crew disliked the space the powered traverse took and removed them frequently, believing manual traverse was enough. 9:06 M15 was also never officially called such, since by the time of its introduction the naming scheme changed and it was officially adopted as the M42. 11:09 the events surrounding the mockups are not well known, and the most recent book by the best author on the matter states that both were made to Ansaldo specs, by the CSM (army institute), with 4 total designs submitted, 2 by each. The model chosen was the one with the driver on the side. 11:45 The tank was again not built on the same chassis. The tank is 50cm wider, 80cm longer, and uses roadwheels that are 7cm wider in diameter. 11:57 Just as an additional detail, relating to the previously mentioned lack of material on the mockups, some of the mockups sported a longer gun, some a shorter one, when looking at the 20mm gun for comparison. For example the two you show had a 75mm gun as long as the 20mm, while another mockup photographed alongside an M13 one showed a stubbier 75. A 1:10 model of by Ansaldo showed instead a 75 longer than the 20mm. 12:34 the T-34 studied in Italy had a much funnier story behind it. The Italian mission to Russia was in many ways under orders of the German command structure, which had granted Italian units possibility to keep captured material to replenish attrition. This did not include any material in excess of those strictly immediately necessary, which is the case for a tank sent back to the motherland. Somehow the T-34 still reached Italy in August 1942, and was studied there. In September 1942 General Rossi telegraphed the Italian High Command stating "The German side is incessantly and urgently asking for the T-34 back, necessary for armor penetration testing. They are open to leaving the engine system in Italy. We [Italy] need it as well, try asking to keep it entire and pay them instead." 13:15 again as at 7:12 13:28 Even the first specifications for the tank state 20-25t, potentially a highly optimistic range due to the then in service bridge tanks having a weight limit of 20t. Even as far back as the mockups the predicted weight was around 25t. And even before those, at least one of the projects that converged into the P40 (as mentioned the early phase is really lacking in documentation), was listed at 30t. 13:35 no P40 was equipped with the gasoline SPA 343 developing 420 hp. That was just a proposal. 13:48 This is not the second prototype, this is a production sample sent by the Germans to Germany after the armistice. The first prototype built with angled armor, which should be the second prototype in general, still retained a curved plate in front of the transmission area, sometimes photographed with a wooden mockup of the angled plates used in production. It's actually the one you shown the next. 14:21 turret traverse was still hydraulic, just electrically triggered. 14:34 Hadn't heard this before, and from the distant view of the Crusader cooling system I can see in some factory photos, I wouldn't say modeled after, but I can see how it has elements of it applied to the previous SPA 15TB equipping the M42. That one had radially expulsion air ducts as previous Italian tanks, while the P40 had curved ducts with air expelling axially. As far as I can see Crusader has two fans between the engine and transmission compartments, moving backwards and down. Not sure if ducts were present as the photos are mid production. Edit. I think with the help of Nicho we found the mistake, miscommunication. The system copied over from the Crusader were the air filters, that indeed look almost identical. For reference, look at the boxes at the rear corners on the mudguards on a Crusader, and the boxes on a P40 on the mudguards right behind the casemate. As for the cooling system itself, from some scale model interior set I see the radiators are put on the sides of the engine, similar to how they were on a KV or T-34, which is significantly different from the system on P40, that had radiators at the rear engine compartment roof vent, making it almost the same as previous Italian tanks in comparison. 15:02 P43 bis. P43 was the heavier project started in 1941. P43 was originally supposed to approximately copy the T-34, but the industry managed to convince the army an aviation engine like on the T-34 (according to them it was) was not adequate, especially not a diesel one. So the project redirected to wards improving the P40 with a gasoline engine. 15:56 I am not sure what to say here as I never heard of a P40bis, but I saw online stories about a P34/43, which is fake. I'll just report briefly what I know, there were side projects to P40, of which we know nothing other than the provisional names. These were the P40 Celere and the P40 Coloniale. It is possible the first was equipped with an uprated, and the second with a smaller gun, but these are just book authors speculations. The P43 bis was indeed intended to carry a 90mm gun derived from the 90/53 anti air gun, the 90/42. The shorter barrel was due to undersized recoil buffers to fit in the tank. A full size mockup was built and can be partially seen in one photo. There is a brief documented feedback on this mockup stating the driver position was questioned. As a note here, I 3D modeled the P43 bis from the available rough preliminary blueprints and I can see what they meant. The longer ammunition meant that the driver was moved forward and had less than half the space it had on the P40. I doubt the tank could have been driven in that state. A later revision to the blueprint shows the driver even further forward, presumably with legs going over the transmission-to-sprocket shaft instead of trying to fit behind it. 17:10 the project motivation for the Semovente 149 was to reduce the number of vehicles required to move the artillery, from several trucks moving a disassembled gun, to just one self propelled vehicle. 17:28 It was not built on the P40 hull. It used P40 hull parts, namely the suspension, but the base vehicle was custom built. It also used M tanks parts, it was initially meant to use the Sahariano engine but was eventually equipped with the 15TB of the M42. 18:33 by the armistice only 5 P40 had been built, and were assigned to training duties. 20:00 there is no documentation about P40 in use by Italian forces. The Leoncello commander states two were recovered from the factory in Milan but were abandoned a few days later to partisans. 20:20 Linking back to what I mentioned for 5:11, while the army was in charge of setting requirements, the head designer and Fossati plant manager at Ansaldo, Giuseppe Rossini, has a considerable amount of sway, as he in practice lead all Italian WW2 tank projects. We have a few written articles by his, and it is clear he preferred fast and hard to hit tanks (he literally describes the holy trinity of tank design, and states mobility is a form of protection) armed with MGs so to maximize volume of fire and hit chance. He also first states mountains are obviously a factor to Italian designs, but later denounces the myopic of the Italian authorities on the matters saying he never wanted to abide by those. 21:05 Rossini participated to an Italian tank designers expedition to Germany in July 1940, and later wrote one of the texts we have, in which he talks about the Panzer 4 calling it the German heavy tank. Evidently to him heavy tanks were infantry support tanks with large caliber guns. 21:23 AAAAHHHHHHH
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This is some good information, thank you for sharing it. I apologise for some of the mistakes (idk about the crusader or Leoncello operational parts, didn’t add those) as I was going off of the scarce info out there. As I want to go forward and do some research for scripts on other italian tanks, do you have any recommendations for books or other material that have good information?
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@@lordcaptainteapot6143 I think we found out with Nicho there was some miscommunication and it's not the cooling system that was taken from Crusader, rather the air filters that indeed look almost identical. As for books, the usual "bible" is Cappellano and Pignato's "Gli autoveicoli da combattimento dell'Esercito Italiano" which has been uploaded to issuu by the Italian army library split into volumes I, II parts 1 and 2, III parts 1 and 2, IV. Then Ceva and Curami's "La meccanizzazione dell'Esercito Italiano fino al 1943", again on issuu split into volumes I part 1 and 2, II parts 1 and 2. The mest and most recent book specifically on P40 is probably "P.40 il mito del più potente carro armato italiano della seconda guerra mondiale" again by Pignato, but is extremely rare, I only temporarily got one copy trough an international library loan. Falessi and Pafi's "Veicoli da combattimento dell'esercito italiano dal 1939 al 1945" is ok though a bit dated. Cappellano and Battistelli's "Italian light tanks" and "Italian medium tanks" by New Vanguard are probahbly also generally good. As are Pignato's "Italian armoured vehicles of world war two" and "Italian medium tanks" Storia Militare published many specific articles throughout the years. Overall keep in mind older books might have mistakes that get corrected or refined in later dates. Avoid Vincenzo Meleca.
Love the P40, such a cool tank and a great “what if” if they had some of these earlier in the North Africa campaign
What if: we got bombed relentlessly by Allied close air-support and artillery in our slow ass tank?
@@whatdothlife4660 well, I think some P40s could have helped a bit more in some battles with the Ariete division only using M13/40s
it would probably have caught fire at the first mention
@@antoniomatteocazzella915 sure but if it’s deployed earlier they leaves room for corrections and upgrades once these actually see real combat
@@Scarp7141 it would have been at the same level yes. but it would have always left its use in mechanical form a bit off limits but ok we accept it as eh...
Italy: Look at our new Heavy Tank! Germany: Laughs in King Tiger. 😄🐯
In WarThunder the M13/40 is a terror at low tiers, while the P40 is quite comparable to other medium tanks. I quite enjoyed playing the italians. Should talk about the semoventes too. Italian for StuG.
Yes, i realy like the Semovente 105/25 at 3.0 battlerating
Oh, so you think that there is some connection between what some coder put into a game with a particular skin, and reality. Fascinating.
The p40 is probably one of Italy's most fascinating tank designs from ww2. it's a shame there are very few accounts of the tank's service (although i suppose it's the usual "tank was outclassed by more advanced designs") . Still, it's interesting to think how the tank could have performed if it was produced earlyer in the war.
it was perfectly capable of blasting out most of english tanks, maybe except Churchill frontal armor.
The rivetted hull had disadvantages..and enemy shell that struck a rivet would send shrapnel into the tank-killing everyone inside.
Their service record are purely under Wehrmacht SS Polizei unit. There was never any record of P26 fighting against enemy tank since most of them are deployed on the backline and those that did reach the frontline are deployed as static defense instead of a mobile tank.
"Unreliable FIAT engines requiring constant maintenance..." History often rhymes with today's reality...or matches exactly.
fiat uno never breaks
Fix It Again Tony
@@jonathanwestern2306 Or as we Germans say: Fehler in allen Teilen. In English: Flaws in all parts.
It's classic Italian automotive design philosophy. "It will work better than anything else in the world... for about 5 minutes."
correct! our tanks had terrible mechanics.
That thing looks like a panzer 4 and a t-34 combined
I see more of the T 34 but yes!
PT-panzer 34/40
Thank you for covering another Italian tank! And even more for not cracking jokes like how everyone does, it would be great if you covered Italy’s semoventi, I would love to hear you explain their history in your usual format
Video About the Breda 504?
@@FarnesV that too
The idea of Italy being a joke is so pervasive that it birthed an anime.
He has Anchovy in the video at 5:19.
Great video, happy to have helped!
Hi nicho :)
@@DM-gf2ei hii!
Italian tanks are always seen as a meme But honestly the P40 would’ve been a decent “medium” tank, good armor, good gun And the other tanks did ok-pretty well in Africa.
Initially maybe, but British Infantry Tanks wouldve made the gun struggle severely, especially at great ranges, hence the Germans carted 88s to the frontline and later long-barreled Pz IVs and various types of Marder tank destroyers with Pak 40s. The 75/34 wouldve been the Achilles heel, even in Africa.
@@builder396just need to insert the EPS M42 cumulative charge shell with 100mm penetration to deal with the infantry tanks.
@@builder396 you can always upgun it 🤓
@@Scarp7141 With what lol, Italy's main AT gun throughout the war was a 47mm, and I doubt Germany would've given them a bunch of their 75mm tank guns (the KwK 40 of the Panzer 4 not the KwK 42 of the Panter) and I doubt the KwK 40 would fit tbh. Maybe the KwK 39 could have worked but it was also rapidly becoming outclassed...
@@rudolfthecat1176Italian tank destroyers armed with the 75mm cannon were given HEAT ammunition for use against hard targets
This tank is absolutely awesome to use in War Thunder, it goes very well against tanks like the panzer 4 and T-34. I'm sure had it been completed earlier, it would probably see considerable success.
Excellent video, truly well researched, but there are a few things I think you should have mentioned: the fiat 3000, the performance of the 47mm and 75mm guns and the fact that the M series was inspired by the Vickers Mark E.
So basically a pizza t34
i do think Italian Semovente’s don’t get enough credit for their performance in WW2
maybe because semovente are awful? just because it was the only thing italians had, that was somewhat armored and can pen a sherman, doesnt mean its good design.
@@certaindeath7776 It was good enough to give the British something to fear armour-wise in north africa.
@@certaindeath7776 you do realize the Semovente's are one of the few italian tanks that allied crews are on record saying they genuinely feared right...?
@@TheDgamesD they also feared a long 88 mounted on a truck, which isnt even a tank, just a cannon. the semovente is bad design^^ bad hp/weight means bad mobility, means bad tank destroyer, as you need mobility to lay your gun and react to situations, when u only can point your gun forward. then it had bad armor, about every allied mounted gun could pen it, so you dont want to be in a semovente, after the position is known. i guess u couldnt place that straight 90 degree armor plate in any angle^^ do we wanna talk about the reverse gear on a TD? Or the suspension, which limited top speed to 35km/h? Or the thin tracks? Speaking of Sand... or Snow... or Mud. observation sights where lacking, crew compartment cramped, reducing fire rate of the gun. The gun was somewhat decent. The ammunition wasnt. At least not for the period of anno 43 onwards @MadKlauss: the first semovente came in service, when tunisia was already lost, and the allies had foots on sicily.
Italian Armoured Cars (AB series) were also good.
Doesn’t stop it from being an absolute unit in war thunder, love this tank
I mean… It’s not _REALLY_ cursed if you look at it, because it actually looks quite standard to be a tank during the time
I think most people laughing at Italy would not do better designing and producing tanks themselves. Then again, I think it all shows how much Italy was lacking in resources, development and in general industrialization.
Mussolini never planned to go to war so yeah
Woof, that driver's hatch is THIN!
Saying the critics should be able to design a better tank is a facile and meaningless comment that fundamentally misunderstands the role of a critic and criticism. Secondly, to suggest Italy didn't have the industrial capacity is nonsense. Italians designed, built and operated some of the most powerful and beautifully designed battleships of WW2.
@daniellarge9784 Ships require very different facilities compared to tank production, not to mention the incompetence of the Italian leadership (which is still an issue to this day tbh... Also: Italian ships were thinly armored and had relatively small guns. Not to mention the corruption and syndication of the Italian economy, FIAT and Ansaldo were de facto a duopoly and making them do anything was quite a task (case in point: they have never managed to convert aero engines into tank engines properly). It was different with Aircrafts though, you had plenty of companies which produced some of the best Aircrafts in that period, so much so that even the Germans were impressed and would've produced them if they didn't had their own industrial concerns regarding them.
@@daniellarge9784Beautifully designed warships ya say....Yeah those warships got sunk by Warspite...A pre WW1 super dreadnought...So yeah the Italians couldn't even get ships right.
FIAT 3000 and 2000 are the best of Italian Tank Naming
The ultralight tank, Fiat 500 …. 🙄
I think one of my favorite parts of military is history is learning about the industrial logistics behind the weapons. Like why Italy's steel quality was what it was or why they couldn't weld their tanks together. It's things like that that you can really learn the core "why?" answers to design decisions and doctrines not to mention it brings up those questions to be asked of today's wars and weapons.
The video commentary is a little bit ignorant on this point. The Italian tank philosophy was that the tank should be light and transportable by road or sea.. manoeuverable across hilly and mountain terrain and able to operate in remote locations away from logistics depots, since the depots were remote and Italian logistics were thin. The idea of bolted armour was that if a panel was damaged, it could be removed in the field and replaced with a new one, rather than having to be returned to a repair shop or even back to the factory. Italian industry also did not have the capacity or capability to produce thousands of welded steel hulls ... nor to weld steel over a particular thickness.. so you can see why the bolt philosophy looked further attractive. Ten bolted tanks is better than 1 welded tank.
When I saw this tank the first thing that come to my mind is the GLA's Scorpion Tank. Very good and fast tank (in the game).
That SPG looks pretty advanced for WWII
Italian engine design during the war was bizarre, reading the secret horsepower war book pre war they were making all sorts of engines especially for air racing. However during the war it was like they forgot all about engine development, literally never getting past pen and paper design for lots of them, most likely the reason why they had to use a maybach engine in their latter tanks.
when this came out in WT i was seeing a girl from italy .. so i started their tech tree and got the premium version. was good fun playing could bully others. i got to Ariete then split up now working on other tech trees hahaha
I learn so much from these videos about logistics. It never occurred to me about Italian industries limited in their abilities to produce tanks and having to use bolted construction. Size and weight limited by terrain and available engine size.
Same issue as Japan, really. Japan had the advantage of fighting mostly enemies without tanks though.
Glad I stumbled accross ur channel...good vids and a wealth of info for modifying tank model kits...given me some idea thanks
Tiger was absolutely NOT in any way, shape or form used to COUNTER ANY specific enemy tank. It was created as a BREAKTHROUGH tank. The fact that it was effective against T-34 was just a bonus extra. . Excellent detailing of the background for Italy's tank design ideas. . And what do i think of the P26? I think it had quite a lot of potential, none of which was ever realised.
Cone videos are cool looking but fabulously flawed fact wise.
Fun fact: German heavy tanks such as the Tiger series were not built as a response to the soviet T34 tank. Hitler requested a heavy tank with the 88mm gun to be designed before operation Barbarossa and the encounters with the Soviet medium and heavy tanks. German tanks such as the Panzer III's, Panzer II's, and Panzer 38t were designed with speed and mobility in mind, which was great for the late 30s and early 40s, but there was a concern that they would struggle against new vehicles with heavier armor. This concern was confirmed when the common Panzer II's were put against the heavier T34's which had enough armor to lessen the effectiveness of the German guns, and held enough fire power to deal significant blows to the more maneuverable German panzers.
A video of the Piyo Piyo, Annzu must be proud!
In Command & Conquer Generals, the Light Tank of the GLA was based on the P40.
4:34 pronounced "Rèjo Esèrchito" for y'all Yankees
It seem someone has done some research on the pronunciation XD.
Enjoyed the cameo by GundP’s Anchovy 😉😄
Congrats on 300,000 subs man
Its funny how when, like in War Thunder, it's classed as a medium tank and put up against early war Shermans, T-34s and Panzer IVs, its a really good tank. A tank far past its time.
17:07 Add a biggass frontal shield to that and it becomes a proto Basilisk from W40K.
I really enjoy your channel. Especially the coverage of lesser known vehicles. I figure you're just the person to direct this question to. In the opening sequence of this particular video. I spotted an often used clip of what looks like the idler wheel of a PzKpfw IV D running in reverse . Or is it just me? I've seen this clip in many videos over the years, elsewhere and yet no one ever seems to mentioned its use. Trivia trivia😂
Interesting as always. Glad to see that business (and content) is back to usual after the long drama.
This has to be one of your most comprehensive and detailed piece, amazing material too!❤
Bel filmato, analisi corretta e professionale. Grazie.
00:29 The Tiger wasnt designed to fight the T 34 it was designed to punch trough the front lines so light tank divisions could slip trouh and continue the advanche, than the tigers would have a long resting phase were they were repaired untill the next mission.
Paused the video at 0:39 to search the comments for exactly this. Thanks.
🗣️: everyone the tank man has posted
21:23 amazing pronunciation bro 💪🏻👍🏻
Hearing you say "Cannone di 90/53" half in Italian and half in English made me laugh - mostly because I do the same thing. I can (mostly) read French and German, but if I hit numerals I reflexively switch back to English. Still, I think the ideal would be to pick one language, neh? Either translate the entire thing to "Cannon ninety / fifty-three" or stick to Italian with "Cannone di novanta / cinquantatre." In my opinion, that would sound more professional and be less jarring. (Jarring because the level of research and fidelity in your videos tends to be very high.)
I like your videos, well made and give good information. Thank you 👍
I'll arguably say that the fins are more the butt to any joke do to the fact they are rarely ever mentioned. In history and war stories.
Nah, you need to be mentioned to be the butt of a joke. Fins don't even get that.
shame the link doesn't add the skins and deco to existing players like those of other CC's
Very good video actually. Surprised that you were able to find that much information on this topic, where information is so scarse, especially in english. Good job!
Nice to hear more about the development of the tank. Interesting vehicle for sure.
Excellent video! I've always found the Italian effort of ww2 to be the most fascinating thanks for covering this!
“They were found to be unreliable due to their Fiat engines” Some things never change
The engine was originally designed for the M11, which was less than half the weight of the P26 and in fact they were no less reliable than the engines in British tanks. The commentary in the video is slightly stoopid without context.
I like how Cone chan is studying the schematics of different cursed looking tanks, she's working hard.
Very interesting and the notes on steel quality and low car industrialisation are illuminating.
Cone, you should cover the Argentine Nahuel DL-43 tanks. They're a set of handcrafted Sherman-like tanks that was made in-house by the Argentines. 80mm frontal armor sloped at 45 degrees makes them better armored than the Shermans, if they didn't use regular steel as opposed to tank steel.
Congrats on 300k btw
It weighs about the same as a M4 Sherman, more a medium tank. Italian tanks were called higher classes than they should be. The M13/41 series was comparable to the M3 Stuarts in size, weight and armament What was said of the Italian tank mechanics was different. They were stellar in their performance of keeping vehicles working. It’s just that they had to work on “sow’s ears” quality of tanks. The first M11’s were sent to Ethiopia/Abyssinia with terrible results. There were many steep ravines and ambushes on these convoys resulted in routs and destruction of these vehicles. “Iron Hulls Iron Hearts” by Ian W. Walker is a good reference especially on the Ariete Division the only operational Italian Armor Division in WWII.
Pretty sure no M11 was sent to East Africa, as Italy only build a hundred of them before switching to the M13 (yes, they realised the problem of a hull gun long before the war even started)
@@lolloblue9646 you are correct as the Italians didn’t get those till 1939, 2 years later than their expected delivery date. I double checked in “Iron Hulls, Iron Hearts” by Ian W. Walker.
The Tiger was NOT developed to counter the T-34. Already in the late thirties, the German armed forces demanded a heavy breakthrough tank of more than 40 tonnes and with a heavy gun. This vehicle eventually became the Tiger. Although it was great at smashing T-34s under the right circumstances it was not originally intended as such.
Awesome video thanks Man
When the US Army ordnance museum was at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland , I saw the M149/40 there . Unfortunately, they closed that down and distributed the old armor to various bases .
I think you got that wrong on Tiger. Tiger 1, at least. Tiger 1 was intended as a breakthrough tank from the start. Durchbruchwagon program predates any knowledge of the T-34 and if I remember my Panzerwaffe doctrine, practise. Tiger is an offshoot, outreach of that program. The heavy tank broke the lines for the medium tanks, lighter tanks to get then go through and exploit. They weren't meant to be specifically anti-tank. I can't think of the exact break up of each unit was, but I have a feeling each gruppe was meant to have at least one heavy tank section, company attached to it for the break through. Time to check my sources and maybe have a word with Nick Moran.
The Carro Veloce L3/35 is my favourite tank of all time. It's an absolute beauty. I would love to have one. It's a personal dream of mine to get a replica made of one. Imagine zipping around on the farm in your mini tank, if I had one with a live armament it would have to be a single shot cannon or AT rifle for UK legal reasons not a MG, but I'm fine with that. Give me a copy of a 20mm autocannon which is a single shot. It's also one of the most practical tanks to own, it could fit in your garage or not attract attention under a tarp. I'd be ready to fight Libyans and Ethiopians in my baby death machine 😂
Buy a welder, and get to welding! I have a sketchup of a tankette I plan on building myself. Just need to get to the xmas shutdown. I figure I'll either fail miserably, or end up with a tiny tank to park in the front yard and annoy the neighbors, but either way I'd have fun and learn while doing it. No armament though. Too much legal hassle.
I've not had much experience with welding, not even picked one up in 10 years or so I've considered making one, but I don't know if I'd have the skills to make a good replica, along with making the tracks and other complex parts. If I did I'd also go for a dummy armament or blank firing one at first and add a real one later.
I love your content man please keep on posting.
Totally cexially refreshing channel, great content guy
I gotta say I like it a lot I have a model of it. It does seem more like a heavy medium than a true heavy. If it had appeared a few years earlier, it surely would have been a more effective weapon. It appeared in Girls und Panzer as well where I learned about its existence. I'm a big fan of it's looks too, it looks a bit chubby, but I like it.
Ahhh the Piyo-Piyo, as Anzu called it 😂😂😂😂
Generally the video is really good, but I've noticed few errors: 0:33 Idk where this myth originated, but Tiger had nothing to do with countering masses of Soviet tanks. Whole project started beofre the war and acted as mobile support/reserve on the battlefield, it was never supposed to be Germany's main vechicle. 5:19 You merged two different names here. Till 1938 these vechicles were called "Carro Veloce CV3", and after that year "Carro Armato L3/33, 35, 38". 7:55 M40 chassis was slightly different from previous one, main changes included idler and transmission section. 8:40 M13 wasn't as bad tank as often portrayed, it was pretty average. The main problem with Italian army in North Africa were their officers corps, not vechicles themselves which were later used with successes up untill the end of the campaign. 11:58 75/18 was howitzer, not a cannon. 12:32 Italians captured many Soviet vechicles themselves, one T-34 was even used as command vechicle of artillery squadron in Duca d'Aosta division. 13:14 Italians absolutely had ability to weld their armor, for example L3/33 was mainly welded, but it was decided that bolts were better fitting for poor Italian economics, so L3/35 and later designs were bolted. 14:00 The P40 was actually called P26/40 up untill August 1942 when naming system was changed again and names were shortened, so L3/38 became L38, M15/42 became M42 etc. 15:00 P43 was vechicle projected almost parallel to P40, only major difference between them was better engine in P43. The so called "P43 bis" was improved version supposed to house propably 90/53 gun (as length of the barrel on vehicle's mockup would indicate) There was also 3rd P43 design derived from German Panther. 17:47 Actually 🤓 whole crew of the vechicle was protected, as cannon operators were considered separate artillerymen, transported by ammunition vechicle. 18:45 As far as I know none P40s were deployed by the Italian Army, as both heavy tank battalions didn't even begin training before the armistice. First of them started forming on 1st August 1943 and stationed far away from Rome (Varcelli) and 2nd beggined the process near Rome, but only on September 1st, so it remained mostly on paper. Later mentioned 2 P40s of the GC Leoncello were also never deployed the unit, as it surrendered before they arrived. On the other hand at least one was used by Germans against Soviets near Kümmersdorf.
and this guy tells people to do their research how do people still get the tiger-T34 myth wrong
I love the P.40 so much (mostly because it is an absolute monster in war thunder but shhh its still cool)
Correction; Italy was on vanguard of automotive technology.
With a huge delay Italy successfully achieved what can be only described as T-34 without most of its benefits and with most of its drawbacks plus some more.
We was like 'italy go home we dont take u seriously at all'😂😂
One of my favorite Italian tanks in war thunder. It is very underrated. And if you play Sim, its armor can shrug off any number of sherman rounds. But in real life, italy really suffered with tanks. which is a shame. If only they were as good as their navy.
The big engine in the back can also tank a lot of hits.
Its an angle monster for sure
Weak industrial base. Construction of something had to give, and it was the army that gor short shrift.
Had they actually been able to get this tank in the production earlier it might have been equal to what was currently on the battlefield. The long process to get it built definitely made it outdated before the first one ever rolled off the assembly line. My other takeaway is about Fiat. Even back then they had engines that fell apart and vehicles that fell apart and required frequent maintenance. During the '70s my dad bought a Fiat 128 sedan. For the first 14,000 miles it was the sweetest running most comfortable car he had ever owned. Then it became a fiat. First the motor conked out and actually it was just past the warranty period. When it suffered a broken timing belt and hosed itself. The dealership where he bought it was owned by a close friend that friend was able to get Fiat to replace the engine under warranty even though it was technically out of warranty. The timing belt was still within the recommended period of operation and was not yet due for major service. So Fiat replaced it. After he got that fixed literally every other month something else broke on it. Fast forward to modern day Fiats. My nephew got one of the little 500 sedans when they came out. A cute little car but the engine had nothing but issues. I guess that's what you expect if you have something that has the name of Fiat tacked on it. Whether it be a tank or a car.
Love the content bro
Tanks for the video.
That one that zoomed down the hill was like "GOTTA GO FAST!"
10:14 Oh thank goodness. I thought it would be one of those lost tanks.
The only contemporary opponent that the P26/40 could effectively go up against was the M6 Heavy.
As an Italian I thought you had a stroke while trying to pronounce "Museo della motorizzazione militare"😂 Still, really a great video on a very interesting and not really well-known vehicle, well done
Great work ConeofArc, the P26/40 is a fascinating tank.
I remember when I first found this tank and wondering why it didn't make an impact when it was superior to anything Italy made, so thank you for this and how detailed it was. ;)
Great video, this is my favorite tank in the game
Great history thanks! Does the tank break down quickly in the video game?
The artillery park at Fort Sill is really cool.
I'm a Artillerymen and when I went to Ft. Sill for training I visited the USAFAM multiple times, and when I saw the Semevonte 149/40, even at a distance I knew what it was and I blurted out loud "JESUS CHRIST ITS ITALIAN!"
Cool video thank you
Italy, Hungary and Japan all seemed to have the same flaw in tank development. They were playing catch up when they should have been playing leapfrog. We want to match this "points at latest allied tank encountered", proceeds to spend 12 months developing a vehicle, 3-6 months more getting it produced and to the front, just as the allies roll out the next big thing/generation.