Last month, a listing for an unauthorized adaptation of 1989's Halloween 5 appeared on Amazon and the internet was totally normal about it.
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Last month, a listing for an unauthorized adaptation of 1989's Halloween 5 appeared on Amazon and the internet was totally normal about it.
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FOLLOW UP Hey all! Thanks for watching the video, it means a ton to me. Jake has written the following and asked if I could pin it here so that anyone who sees the video can read this as a final response to everything that happened. Thanks again, and hope you are doing well: Hey, everyone, Today, I was taken aback when I received an email from Sean Duregger, filled with fervent apologies for his abhorrent social media conduct regarding the publication of my novelization for "Halloween 5". I have decided to accept his apology. Let's delve into the crux of the matter: Sean's actions were venomous, callous, and downright cruel. It's disheartening to witness such behavior within the horror community, particularly given the unwarranted criticism we already face from those who fail to comprehend our passion. Instead of tearing each other down, we should strive to support and uplift one another. Did the video accomplish anything positive? Or did it merely contribute to the cycle of retaliation? While I believe that the video is important, and got my voice out there, unfortunately, I believe it did the latter to some degree. I must commend Zane for the immense effort he put into creating that video, and I take pride in standing up for myself, and I will stand behind the content of the video. After all, I signed off on it. Nevertheless, we cannot ignore the negative repercussions of our actions. Following Zane's video, some of my supporters went overboard. Frankly speaking, they went a bit crazy. A few even resorted to sending Sean death threats, which is utterly inexcusable. This kind of response was never my intention, and I am deeply disappointed and disturbed by it. I must admit that I harbored some vindictive feelings and desired to make my voice heard. However, the purpose of the video was to address bullying, not to incite more of it. The video did serve its intended purpose by providing me with a platform to express myself. I want to clarify that I am not an anti-copyright crusader; I am merely a fan who aspired to publish a book. Granted, I approached the publication process in the wrong way, but I never anticipated being subjected to bullying. I also never expected that those who support my work would respond with acts of bullying. We are adults. We need to act like it. Since this incident, I have largely maintained a low profile, engaging only in private conversations with a select few individuals and collaborating with Zane on the video. I am heartened to witness the emergence of constructive discussions arising from this situation and I am grateful that my voice is being heard. Furthermore, I want to emphasize that I have genuinely accepted Sean's apology. It meant a great deal to me that he acknowledged and regretted his behavior. I urge all of you to extend your support to Sean's company, "Encyclopocalypse Publications." They produce remarkable books. Where else are you going to find a novelization for "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes", "Hardcore", or "Fright Night" for a few bucks? This sounds like an ad for them, I know. It's not. I really dig their work. Finally, my novelization for "Halloween 5", what this whole affair has been about, will see the light of day, digitally and for FREE on July 1st. Zane will keep you all in the loop, I'm sure. Or, you can feel free to follow me on Twitter at @jakemartinwrite . Forgive me for ending on such a cheesy note, but can't we all just get along? - Jake Martin
Very happy to hear all of this! I can’t wait to check out the novel for myself ❤ hope all involved are doing well
That makes me so happy to hear. I hope this whole situation can change some people's minds on these topics. Art is about creating.
This was a perfect ending to all of this, and really is a compliment to the Horror Community overall. Looking forward to reading Jake's novel next month!
Glad to hear the book will be available! I can't wait to read it. And I hope all this hasn't kept you from writing and wanting to publish more works in the future. May the future be brighter now for all parties involved.
i agree we should all treat each other the way we would like to be treated. no there be no reason for bullying and death threats. that is not right!
Putting your face out there when the video is about how the internet doesn't treat people as people is a nice choice.
ow dang, good observation
And brave
Handsome devil 🧡
It's also a bit distracting because that Mustache is excellent
Yeah pretty fucking chad
It’s deeply ironic that a guy who runs a company dedicated to preserving art history would go out of his way to attempt to bury the work of an independent creator. What he’s doing is in the same vein as the rights holders who burned silent movies. It’s vindictive, it’s cynical, and it’s pathetic. Artists should support each other, and uplift each other.
He just seems super desperate to appear like the hero in all this.
I'm feeling what should be recognized is that it was someone trying to PROFIT off of art history behind the guise of preservation.
@@jasonrhome710 Which is an irony in and of itself.
Narcissism incarnate in addition to ironic.
The sad thing is that in our culture this actually isn't ironic. It should be, oh god it should be, but of course the guy profiting off of these things doesn't give 2 hot damns about art preservation, the artist, or anything else that we would think someone in that position should value. Instead he values money and his ability to gatekeep. Anyone operating in the same space isn't seen as a comrade or a brother/sister in art, instead it is competition that may cut into your margins. All I can do is respond in the same way, as I will NEVER purchase anything Sean has even came close to or farted in the vicinity of. I know that wouldn't bother one such as him, but I hope there is more than just me.
Sean is the epitome of middle-management, holy shit. “When Karen _becomes_ the manager:”
This was fascinating and horrible and I had no idea about any of it. Thanks for making this and sticking up for this dude!
Hi Matt!
Matt and IPOS in the same room? Is this a crossover episode?
Woof. Guess there's another channel I need to unsubscribe from. Thanks for showing your true colors, Matt.
@@icenine09 no one cares
@@jkkimora6350 says the person who took the time to *tell* me that no one cares. 🤣
Hey, Ma! I'm famous! Hi, everyone. I'm B.C. Howard, the author that Zane referenced near the end. Even though I'm a small part of this whole drama, I just wanna thank you Zane for this amazing video. You did justice to B. R. Yeager, Sam Richard, and, most importantly, Jake Martin. My comments that Zane made reference to are, well, not nearly as eloquent as he has already made here, but on my part: I would understand if this was somebody trying to profit off of a smaller artist, but it's not. It's a fan project for a huge movie franchise. Particularly, a franchise that, while I love, has been unkind to the creatives who made it what it is. Do we really think it's unethical that smaller creatives will make fanart, zines, and even unauthorized merch out of these franchises? That they will hurt the corporations that own the IP? The answer is no. It's always been no, and people like Sean who think otherwise are wrong. I am an aspiring writer myself. I doubt I'll ever get as big as Halloween. If I do, I expect unauthorized merch, fan projects, zines, etc., to be made. And you know what? I'm gonna support it. I'm gonna encourage it, because I know it's not about stealing from my labor but showing appreciation from creative people who are getting their start by making a passion project for the things that inspired them. That is why Jake Martin created his novelization--Love for the Halloween films. And my hurt breaks for him and what he has been through. I can only hope that this video inspires more support for him. I also hope that it leads folks to reevaluate the situation if they think this was somehow a violation of creator rights, because it really isn't. Thank you, Zane. You are one of my favorite KZheadrs. You are brilliant, passionate, and supportive. I'm honored to be referenced, even briefly, in one of your videos.
Shit take. Spoken like an entitled IP thief.
Also, let's not forget when John Krasinski completely ripped off Tim Lebbon's novel The Silence for A Quiet Place. Asked why he didn't sue, Lebbon said he just doesn't have the money to take on a massive corporation.
That's ridiculous. Any lawyer worth their degree would be able to look at the legal evidence available and see that it's open and shut.
The people from Netflix ripped off the guy book or he had to deal with Netflix for the movie the silence -so no not the same movie.
I think the main takeaway i've had from the video so far, is how deeply petty and vindictive people can be, over things which concern them in no way whatsoever. I hope Sean is happy hiding behind his mother's apron, and I hope Jake keeps writing and receives more praise.
i agree with you, jake should keep writing
We all known guys like Sean: he might go pretty far, only to later realize, it wasn't even close to where he could have gotten if he wasn't such a douche.
somewhere along the line I bet Sean received harsh criticism from someone and his actions in this video is the result. this whole thing is about his fragile ego. all gatekeepers are are like this it seems
what warmed my heart is that Jake wrote with his father. that's the kind of relationship i want with my dad
...also, I have to admit that I'd love to read Jake's work. When I saw Halloween 5 first run, I thought it was such a mess. I'd love to know how Jake rearranged the mess.
I know I feel bad because his first book he just wanted people wanted to have in print. I would want to have a printed copy.
I’m not even a Halloween fan, and I’d love a copy. This guy seems to have so much passion and deserves to have is work appreciated.
Not as much as a mess Halloween 6 was lol
Good thing Jake is making the novelisation available for free then!
It's pretty good, treating Michael with enough malevolence and giving some flat characters a bit more nuance than they originally had. Especially the gore, which is more in line with the Rob Zombie Halloween 2/Blumhouse trilogy levels of grotesque. Admittedly, it's hampered by its source material, which is understandable given that Halloween 5 is a bad film, so he can't do much about it, but what he does with what he's given it's great.
It's quite ironic that Sean has now left twitter after claiming his name was "dragged through the mud," simply because someone shed a light on his actions and allowed Jake to give his side of the story. Some people can dish it out, but they can't take it.
+direcircumstances Duregger left Twitter, huh? Well, that's his own fault for being a vindictive bully. He shouldn't have done what he did to Jake, who only wanted advice and guidance. Duregger is TRASH.
really lol
This is just plain bullying. If there’s any way, I would love to buy and read Jake’s novel.
At the end of the day though it boils down to supporting or not supporting going through the legal means to profit off of someone else's IP. Remove all the drama... it's still wrong. Jake is wrong.
it's going to be out for free on July 1st! I really want to read it too!
@@EarthsGeomancerHi Sean
@@EarthsGeomancer While I'm not too knowledgable on Halloween as a franchise, I assume the fifth installment released long ago that most its original creators don't profit off it any longer besides the company that published it, meaning it's entirely a victimless crime. Besides, as a creative who's seen some of copyright law and its history, back when it was still made to protect we artists copyright was intentionally a shorter period, because it was deemed kind of absurd to try and make your entire living for your whole life off a single property you made decades before. It was assumed you'd make further work within roughly 10 or so years, and most creatives did that and still do that. It was only changed so that non-creatives could continue to profit off the work of those who have artistic minds, only leeches profit off these kinds of copyright (for the most part). What you unintentionally do by supporting laws like these is support the greedy money-hungry types that continue to kill creativity day by day, and it's genuinely a dangerous thing to defend. Some laws can protect and help people, and that's good, but some laws are also simultaneously bad and good, helping some and hurting others or overly serving the interests of others. Something doesn't become wrong because it's illegal, we've changed many laws throughout human history because society and culture has changed, just as copyright changed to protect corporate interests, so too can it retract to protect the artists it once served. Cheers!
it is moral and right. and we all should do it too. are you the type of person who stops people from shoplifting food at walmart?
You know, there have been times where I’ve watched films like Carrie, and I find myself scoffing. The bullying seems almost cartoonish, and so far removed from my own experiences in High School, it’s hard for me to imagine people behaving in that sort of way. But then I see something like this, and I’m reminded. The same kind of people who used to dump pig blood on Carrie White’s head on Prom Night have just moved on to harassing random strangers online. And we’ve *all* been through that.
I can tell you from personal experience that the bullying in *Carrie* is pretty on par. There are plenty of inner city schools where the bullying is _FAR_ worse to the point where kids and teens have committed suicide due to the taunting.
@@TheRealNormanBateswent to a city school, and I never really saw any. But that could be because there were close to a thousand kids in my graduating class. I think the actual number was like 830 or something like that. Graduation took fucking forever. Nobody really knew anyone intimately enough for everyone to gang up on one person like that. It was always you, the couple of people you were friends with, and an ocean of strangers. Acquaintances at best. People’s whose faces you knew, but couldn’t put a name to if you were asked. That’s just my experience though.
Almost got my hair set on fire in high school. I heard the lighter (it wasn’t working). People can be terrible. And now online they have a new platform.
I swear, people feel safe becoming their worst selves online, saying shit they’d never say in real life to another person.
God these people sound awful. Is there really no way to read Jake's novel anymore? Sounds right up my alley and I'd gladly pay for it
I haven't even seen all the Halloween movies and heck I'd love to read his book!
dam right there needs to be a way to read his book, i would love see how he could fix halloween 5
I’m sure you could find some of Sean’s “friends” who gleefully bought a copy after his tweets about it
Someone with the kindle version outta upload the pdf. then people should print their own books of it, sell them at conventions. All the while throwing a little money dude's way somehow. Copyright is theft. Pigs will be pigs.
he's releasing it for free on July 1st. check pinned comment.
Jake if you are reading this - please do not give up on following your passions, you have supporters! We are on your side and believe in you
Hats off to you for making me sit through a 45 mins video on Twitter drama and coming out feeling smarter for it.
Seriously! Only Zane can pull that off
This isn’t a face reveal it’s a mustache reveal
Petty little tyrants lording over their imagined fiefdoms. Just as bloodthirsty as the real thing
hey zane, if you're still in touch with jake you should let him know that Sean doesn't have as much power in the publishing world as he thinks. He should keep going, and submit to everyone he can
What? No way. He WILL get sued. If he publishes work that he doesn't own the rights to, he is opening himself to serious consequences. Copyright enforcement is not selective based on innocent artistic merit. Failure to enforce copyright leaves the rightholders open to losing the ability to enforce it if someone ACTUALLY tries to exploit it for money.
@@LoganGalt8810 That's literally not true and please don't spread this misinformation. You're thinking of trademark. While it is true that Jake COULD be sued, companies do NOT have to strictly enforce their copyrights. Trademarks are what they are forced to go after. Copyright is the artistic properties of a work itself while trademark is the identification of the source of a good. The only way they would be forced to at least send a cease and desist is if Jake tried to claim the book was official and put the logo of the rights holders or studio on the book. If Copyright worked as you say it does, literally no fan art would be able to exist anywhere. Every company for every property would be sending cease and desists and lawsuits to anyone who dares to post a drawing of a copyrighted character, but that's not the case.
Poor guy, I hope this doesn't discourage him from writing more.
I'm a huge fan of Horror Geek and am very disappointed by that tweet. Thanks for this.
I was thinking the same thing. The author just wanted to issue a fan novel about a story he loves. Music, movies have always had been bootlegged by fans. Fans keep the IP’s going and prevent them from disappearing with each new generation. It is their hunger and interest in these artists that keep their status in the world. People like Sean are angry because his company wanted to get a bit of that Halloween money and the fact that a new writer self published it as a project of love is obviously eating at him. (Which honestly is rather weird and obsessive.) Even if the author gets into trouble over it, Sean has made it his journey to shame him all over the internet to make himself feel good. He needs a new hobby, bullying is not a good look.
I hope I am not deluding myself, but he might have said that without knowing the full context. It seems like an unfortunate comment that was made taking only that a-hole's post in consideration. I don't think he would have agreed to the narcissistic bullying that the writer endured.
This video broke my heart. It's absurd that people in horror of all genres took to do so much to hurt a single person. It's nothing shy of disgusting and calloused. Thank you for this video and shining a light on the terrible treatment of a passionate artist trying his best. Jake if you're there, I and assuredly many others would love to read your work should you decide to release more in the future.
I was bullied as a kid, but barely remember it and don’t hold a grudge because they were just stupid kids doing what stupid kids do to stand out, but it really seems like some people never grow up, it feels so weird listening about grown people wasting so much time to embarrass someone, it feels incredibly childish.
Were you ever bullied for breaking the law?
@@EarthsGeomancerboohoo. It's a multi-million dollar company that only cares about money. 26 dollars isn't even a scratch on them
Hey Jake, if you're in these comments, I just wanna say I'm sorry that happened to you. While I'm an author (small publication, nothing fancy), I haven't been chasing getting published on a larger scale right now. But I have friends who are. That anxiety and panic provided by your play by play spoke true and my heart went out to you. I hope you are doing better and that eventually you are able to get back into writing for you. It's clear that you love it and I wouldn't want your talent to go to waste. I've not watched Halloween up to that point, but I'm interested in your book! My friends and I try to craft better plots to movies we thought could be better all the time! It's very fun.
Thank you for being brave, Zane. The printed word is dying and the last thing we need is to discourage authors.
i agree with you, all writers should stand as one and not try to wreck one and another
Brave? For defending copyright infringement? You all are pathetic and entitled.
We shouldn't encourage authors that profit off of someone else creations.
@@EarthsGeomancergod forbid someone make 30 dollars off a mult-million dollar company
Sadly twitter seems to be a paradise for self righteous bullies.
It's dying now thanks to certain members of the same class of villains that people like Sean scavenge off of hilariously mismanaging since he and his big mouth blundered into buying it. Not to get wildly off-topic but the fact anyone was dumb enough to clear his latest scheme should worry everyone. As well as cementing that his only real claim to the legacy of humanity's great inventors is Edison's talent for theft. And that anyone else would have been ruined with the year he's had. That he's already back on top is proof the underlying message behind this video is 100% accurate and the people praising copyright should worry less about the fantasy worlds they've created and deal with the one they're living in.
Wow. Not what I was expecting. I was not aware of this book at all and assumed it was released at the time of the movie. Like it was some avant garde reimagining, and that was the controversy. This is much more depressing but still fascinating to learn about. I wish the author well.
Yeah I was thinking it just tried to add something to the lore that was dumber than what the sixth movie did. This video really knocked me on my ass.
@@ryanahr2267 Yeah, something along those lines. A lighthearted dive into some weird forgotten corner of the franchise. And instead it’s a sober defense of a hobbyist writer that been taken advantage of and harassed online. Complete opposite tone, which I’m sure is part of the point. Catch all the traffic of audiences who want to hear the book get dunked on only to hear the other side of the story.
Suppressing new creators inspired by old works is part of the reason genres stagnate and we end up seeing the same things over and over again. What should have happened here is, if the book is good, hiring Jake to bring new perspectives. In Japan there is a massive "underground" fan comic (manga) market. Big publishers hold an event twice a year where fans can come and sell their fan comics. books, video games, and even movies. The fans make money selling their fan products of big IP's. In return, the big publishers get to review the works and contact the fans they would like to hire or make a contract with. There's a reason the Manga market has completely trounced American comics. If people are allowed to be creative, they will bring more entertainment. Also it's no secret that Copyright law is completely broken.
I'm an aspiring writer and I love novelizations of films. Last weekend I read my pdf copies of Friday the 13th 1-3 and 6, and would love novelizations of horror films that never got one. A Halloween 5 novel, especially a reworked one sounds amazing and it's heartbreaking he was bullied into pulling his listing. Bullying in any form is ridiculous and petty, especially when someone is taking their time to create something for a fanbase that would love said creation, plus it's diminishing that person's hard work. I feel for Jake and I'm in total support of his efforts Edit: didn't get to finish the video before I commented. the slaughtered lamb had a live podcast but I need to comment on that last bit about AI taking over artistic endeavors. This is one thing I'm infuriated by. I've struggled for years through military service and studying computer science to get to the point where I decided to finally pursue my artistic interests on the side, the writing I mentioned and I've been relearning how to draw so I can make a horror comic along with other art works, and to see AI being pushed to take over people using their artistic creativity is wrong on so many levels. And I have relatives that are promoting it, saying things like "now people have no excuse to do real work!" Like....what? People who are skilled in and enjoy doing the various arts should not be forced to give up their work for an automated program. It's just sad where things are heading
where did you find the friday the 13 pt 6. that is a bad ass movie i want to read how the book would be difrent from the movie, does it go into more detph or is it just as bad ass as the movie?
@@kristopherbeal963 I didn't finish 6 yet but there's a bit more detail at the beginning of Tommy's time at the halfway house and his friendship with Hawes(sp?). I got to where Darren and Lizbeth get killed. Kayaking got in the way and I havent gotten back to it. Someone on etsy had a lot of digital versions of the F13th, nightmare on Elm street and Halloween novels in digital form. They work well with Google reader. It's an awesome find. I just wish we could get physical copies reprinted.
"I mean, I'm right here. You could invite me on your show to hear the whole story. But no, just make a 45 minute video about tweets. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"- Sean's response tweet to this. I honesty doubt he watched the entire thing and skimmed it or turned it off 2 minutes in. Guy really does seem like a person in immediate danger of overdosing on their own farts....
I’m sure he only found out about it because he’s the kind of guy who searches for his own name on the internet.
Sean, we know your side of the story. You Tweeted your full side of the story. You Tweeted your full side of the story to other publishers after Jake APOLOGIZED.
Sean is the kind of person who is never, *ever* going to admit to being in the wrong on *anything.* And it’s not even unique, Twitter is making all of its users that way. Admitting to being a jerk online is social media suicide. The only way people stick with you is if they think you can’t be beat. It’s no different from a bully on the schoolyard.
If I were Trancas International, I would bring him on to write an official novelization. At the very least look at the version he wrote, and offer him the chance to write something Halloween related. That kind of passion shouldn't be ignored.
Trancas isn't even interested in reprinting the novels for the first few films which drives me nuts. There is a huge market for physical copies and better edited kindle copies of the OG novels along with the nightmare factory books. A lot of the Halloween groups I follow have a lot of people who would love these being re printed along with novels of the films that initially didn't get the novel treatment. I'm definitely one of them and I'd love more books based on the shape
@@jonjones6764 There's a youtube channel with audio versions. It's called the 80s Slasher Library.
@@nostromo1131 thanks
Honestly it would just be good PR for them.
@@nostromo1131 It's a pretty good channel too.
This makes me so sad, because a Halloween 5 that feels cohesive with 4 and 6 has been my dream for a long time. I'd love to have known more about how he reworked the material. These people who got so kneejerk angry about it sound like they're allergic to fun and addicted to the almighty dollar. It's just a terrible shame. I hope Jake sees the support he's getting here and takes heart.
Shameless plug. You MAY like the fanedit on my page.
I know I was literally like that books is really a fan made piece! I would love to own a physical copy.
That’s how I feel about the people who got disproportionately angry over Halloween Ends. The franchise gets rebooted more than Spider Man. If you don’t like this film there is always going to be a next one
This video should have been a rallying cry to support and post on the Internet Archive. That would have been a perfect place to upload his book so it could be archived and read until the end of time. Also, Sean is such a coward. He spread so much hate for Jake then protects his tweets when he gets called out for it. Probably trying to reach out to corporations he snitched to for a hug they'll never give him.
I mean, people give Rob Zombie shit about giving Michael a backstory in his movies, but I vividly remember the Chaos Comics Halloween series that gave Michael a backstory and covered his time in a children's asylum.
A lot of that at the asylum was based on the novelization for the first film. Curtis Richards/Richard Curtis had to pad it out so he not only created the awesome prologue with Deirdre and Enda, but wrote in some of Michael's early years in the asylum before jumping to his escape in 78. Them putting it in comic form always made me happy because it was awesome
Speech about piracy at the end was badass, love this guy
I hate to say this, because I understand fan-love, but the author really should have had an understanding of "intellectual property" before publishing. A simple Google search would have taught him that he had no legal right to publish an unofficial novelization. I sympathise with him, and I know he meant well, but IP exists for a reason, and IP theft is a crime. No amount of good intentions changes that basic fact.
This guy’s story is a tragedy. It is disgusting to see people be so cruel just to bootlick for massive corporations who don’t even acknowledge their existence.
I think it would be incredibly funny if the rights holders get ahold of the novel and decide that it’s perfectly acceptable to publish the book if not do it themselves with the author getting a fair percentage of the money. My heart goes out to the poor guy being a fan of the written word especially novelizations of films
They legally would not be permitted to. Doing so would open them to losing their copyright enforcement. This video makes the issue out to be a moral one of a kid being bullied. It's not. It's a legal matter and this video is doing an enormous disservice to the community by spreading terrible legal information.
@@LoganGalt8810 but it also is about someone getting bullied. no disservice is being done to the community. Zane and others are just encouraging fans to keep making fan art. fan art is the backbone of the community.
@@LoganGalt8810 I still don't feel like that makes what happened right. So what if he sells an unauthorized version of halloween 5? Sure he might get sued but like that doesn't matter to anyone besides him. I ain't losing no sleep over it
It's genuinely admirable to put not only your channel, but your face and name up in defense of the little guy. Solidarity like this is how we can defeat those that only care about money and power.
'Hall monitor badges should be handed out to every one of these wannabe cops' Yes mate!
you really have a phenomenal skill of making me invested in something i never thought i'd be invested in. always grateful for how outwardly you portray your values, and how much they align with your view of the art of horror. those idiotic publishers are absolutely bullies and i hope dude continues to write!!!!!!!!!
I was just thinking this too. There are so many times I see a video and I think 'I'm not really a fan of that franchise. I probably won't be into this video.' but then I start playing it and it just sucks me in like 'Woah!' 😳
Someone needs to buy Sean a "Get over yourself soon" card.
If you publish on KDP, it asks if you own the copyright. He must have said yes to publish.
Incredible video, Zane. I have watched and rewatched all your uploads and they certainly have helped me shape a new perspective on art, messaging, and artists. It is incredibly powerful to see you providing this support for fellow creators just as you have always espoused is necessary to do. I will be sharing this video as an example of why art and artists should be liberated, and standing with the WGA and other strikers is vital. You have built a community of wonderful people that share your love of the craft and demonstrate respect for others. Keep being yourself and I look forward to supporting you in all you do in the future.
You wonderful man, using your platform to stand up for someone whose dreams were crushed. Obviously I already liked your channel since I've been a patron for a long time, but now I'm officially ride or die for Zane. 😎
What a shitty situation, as someone that publishes stories online, what happened to Jake is my worst nightmare God, so many people feel the need to make some issue their banner for a week… and they don’t care what harm they cause, as long as they get the ego boost from taking someone down. I wish I could give Jake a hug and tell him how fuckin cool what he did is, and not to give up on writing
Amazon recommended the book to me and I didn't think anything of it. Should've got a copy.
Zane, you taking the time to do this for someone you don’t know all that well gives me hope for humanity, even if the stories presented here are awful
I agree so much. I seriously teared up watching this. There is so much ridicolousness in trademark stuff that people don’t realize
Interesting: "Jack Martin" not "Jake Martin" is a name used by Etchison, a horror write of note, who did pen several novelizations, and at least one for the Halloween franchise (if memory serves me), and an unproduced script for one of the films. I'd love to read Jake's passion project. It sounds awesome. Sometimes, because of the deep love and reverence, "fan fiction" outshines anything created by a hack or committee. Jake, like any artist, just wants to share his creation. I totally get it. Couldn't he just make it free? Would that cause legal problems? I'd love to read it! As for the other guy, he sounds like a cruel narcissist. It's not his intellectual property to begin with, either. So what dog, really, does he have in the fight--other than Jake's work probably blows away the one his outfit put out? Beautiful lighting, by the way.
Also, very apt that this is being posted and talked about during the entertainment industry strikes. Like you said, virtually no one is looking out for artists and we are seeing that now more then ever. There is no proof that fan-created content hurts the profit for these mainstream media companies, and it seems like original projects like this and some of the examples that are looked at a lot with Nintendo as a strong example only seem to drive up interest for older media as well. Not one single person who was going to give money to interact directly with Halloween 5 would see this novel for sale and think “I won’t pay to rent this film now that I can just read this book”
Fan art and original creator art can coexist. I believe in it I feel like both should be able to make money off their craft.
Personally I don't think it's quite that black and white. I do think Jake was in the wrong but I also believe he made a mistake and didn't deserve what happened to him in the aftermath.
@@Vassilinia I disagree Jake wasn't in the wrong PERIOD If he wanted to express his craft and make money it's his buisness and it isn't like these big ass corporations would go out of buisness for the ABSOLUTE HORROR! of losing a measly $26.00.
@@claytonveno3710 copyright law is disgustingly perverted but it exists for a reason. You can't just pluck things from an existing franchise and decide you want to profit off it. I know Jake wasn't looking to make money but just because he didn't intend to doesn't mean he didn't do it, however miniscule it may have been. You can't pick and choose what laws to obey. You have to obey all of them.
@@Vassilinia "copyright law is disgustingly perverted but it exists for a reason." So you admit it's perverted and that it does no good for anyone and yet still defend it's existance....got it. "You can't just pluck things from an existing franchise and decide you want to profit off it. I know Jake wasn't looking to make money but just because he didn't intend to doesn't mean he didn't do it, however miniscule it may have been." Why not? he isn't harming anyone so who cares? If people want to make money off of others IP's as long as it isn't hurting themselves or anyone else I don't care what people do to make money greedy companies and IP holders should have no power over these matters PERIOD and they Ironically are doing more to hurt others than any of these small grassroots creators are which is the biggest irony of them all. "You can't pick and choose what laws to obey. You have to obey all of them." Ah yes the classic It's the LAW! excuse "You will respect mah authoritah!" I hate to break it to you but just because something is law doesn't mean it is moral or even worth following there is only one law that matters that being universal law or natures law put simply meaning to not hurt ourselves or others and so long as no one is getting physically hurt, beaten, or killed I will never be convinced otherwise that people should be aloud to produce there own content based on an existing IP and make whatever money if even any at all they want. Government law is broken and has been doing far more to benefit bad people and protect the rich and powerful and it is for that reason that it is immoral and we must follow a higher standered of morality and law that is based soley on logic and whether or not someone has been hurt but producing your own content of your favorite IP isn't one of those things that hurts people so...
@@claytonveno3710 by perverted I mean its original intention was good but it has been distorted beyond belief by corporations hoping to maintain their monopolies. "it's not hurting anyone" is not an excuse. Or rather, it's exactly that: an excuse to justify what is otherwise ethically wrong. By choosing to put his book, a derivative work, on a marketplace and placing a price on that book without consent from the IP holders, he's crossed a line. Again, you don't get to choose what laws to obey regardless of whether or not you like them or agree with them. Laws as a whole exist to bring order and stability to society and this isn't the place to debate their efficacy. Just to clarify once again, I do not believe he was doing this maliciously. He made a mistake. He rectified that mistake eventually, but the circumstances under which he was made to do so were demeaning and humiliating. Sean whatshisface is a dickhead, and Jake didn't deserve to go through what he did at that jerk's hands. But what he did was still wrong.
This reminds me of the time in the mid-2000s when I was on LiveJournal, I got into the 'Zine scene' & started making my own & chatting in the 3-5 communities (kinda like subreddits) about zines. I saw someone put a small stand (like the old-school comic book stands at the grocery store) in her local library. I decided to give it a try to pit a 'zines section in my town's library also, and had a few creators send me their zines for free to be put in the library. (A typical cost for these zines was $1-$3 + postage of appx 60 cents) Keep in mind, in that time, several well-known personalities online didn't even have PO boxes, just gave out a regular home address, so when I saw these creators' websites, pictures of their zines on sale pages, etc. I had no issue giving address of a family members business & my screen name (with permission), but learned my lesson soon enough! When I was rejected to have my zines stand in the library, I got so much hate & flamed into oblivion online, including full doxxing & ☠️ threats, all over having been sent at most 8 zines, which I promptly threw out in the dumpster (w/ photo evidence to show I hadn't made a thing off it.) Even 10 YEARS after leaving those communities, changing my username, moving on from LiveJournal (which I still feel like was WAY better than the turds we're stuck with now) I still had a troll or 2 stalking me down to leave comments trolling me about being a scammer!! 😮💨🤦
If people are waiting for Amazon to crack down on the selling of bootleg merchandise, I’d say get comfortable because you’re going to be waiting a while.
Hope jake is doing OK and that they don't stop writing. Hopefully one day he can put Halloween 5 back up.
It's very noble that you made this video to defend Jake over a narcissistic bully, but to me it just confirms one thing above all: Twitter is a cesspool.
Imagine how storytelling or music could have had any chance of developing if folk tales and folk music, and handed down art was all copyrighted. Farq copyright, steal my work, help yourselves. I dont like it anyway. The whole copyright thing for large companies is madness. This video is amazing. Thank you.
Your compassion and empathy for other people always cheers me up. Excellent video!
The Gremlins novelization is one of my favorites. I read it over and over as a kid and will talk about it at length. I feel Lilo and Stitch steals a lot from this book.
This just elevated this channel to the top of KZhead in my opinion. Thank you for doing the good work that you do, Zane.
You always get me out of art block and give me faith in humanity, a true Chad
Killer stache, my man
beautifully put, ty so much for making this video, and I wish jake genuine peace and love
Big ups on another great video Zane. Really appreciate your sentiments and kindness.
This was such a fantastic video, Zane! I'm so glad you made a video about this. As a huge longtime fan of Horror movies/novels. I would love to read his Halloween 5 novel. The way he described his process has me very intrigued. Halloween 5 and Curse were pretty terrible. Even as a Halloween fan watching them as guilty pleasure films, it can be hard to sit through. It really sucked that the whole "Cult of Thorn" panned out the way it did. When on paper it sounded like it could have been a neat concept for the franchise. Hearing about an author who saw the potential in the story and wrote and published their own take as a love letter to the franchise, is so awesome and really refreshing to hear. It's a fucking amazing accomplishment. It's also one of the many great things of what being a fan is all about. Hell, Jake's dedication and passion alone is truly inspiring. I hope he keeps writing, I hope he overcomes all the bullshit he went through. Jake, if you read this please keep writing and creating not just for others, but to make yourself happy. You absolutely deserves it. I think you did something really excellent and you should be really proud of what you accomplished. You should keep at it. No matter what. You fucking rock! 🧡🖤🎃💀 Another note to add is that I hate Rob Zombie's Halloween movies. I find them awful in every sense. 😂 But, Rob Zombie is just like us, he's an avid horror fan. And despite the fact I genuinely hate his films, I don't want him to stop making films. Ever. I want the man to keep making films, even if I personally end up hating every single one. Because I certainly don't believe it's constructive criticism to wish that his movies never existed. He deserves to have his vision, his creativity and passion for horror movies made and distributed like everyone else. Just some additional food for thought.
You are honestly my favorite creator on this entire site, your work is masterful
I agree so much. There is so much heart in all of these
I've never loved this channel more than with every new video but especially this one.
Oh…thank you for this soul affirming video on creativity…embattled creativity. As always, you take the kernel of the topic and, by extending the topic outwards, transform that kernel into a seed that sprouts and grows as the video progresses. Again thank you for your passionate and articulate defense …and for punching up❤
When you publish to Amazon, you assert that either the work is public domain or you have the rights to publish it. Fanfic is wonderful. But you do not charge for fanfic because that is copyright infringement. Had he put this book online for free, no one would care.
Absolutely. This video is absurd and the take is entitled garbage.
Love the Creepshow lighting, excellent video!! I've always been a big fan of this channel
As someone who's newly discovered your work, this was different, but very well done. Thanks for spreading this
Finally finished (usually takes me a couple sittings for your videos). You did a really good job of making your stance digestible and understandable. Love your videos a lot a lot alot
20:22 NO, FFS.... Ian Fleming stole the Thunderball SCREENPLAY from author Jack Whittingham and then turned that into a novel without giving the secondary author credit. The studio worked it out that he could make his own remake of Thunderball within the next few years, in lieu of the entire estate being sued. Yes, he said copyright has a place for a reason within reason for a reason... seeing how it was his copyrighted work that was stolen in the first place.
Knowledgeable, eloquently spoken, and amazing taste in button up shirts
Did anybody else do a spit take when the narc dropped that DC Talk quote
Respect for taking time and using your platform on this project
Every video hits hard, but this one especially so. It's hard out here for artists of all types. May the rising tide lift us all, and may Jake have some comfort.
you are such an amazing creator, thank you for your videos.
You are a good hearted man and I thank you for bringing this to light. Very well done.
Nice to see the person behind the voice! Cool lightning, too 👍 Thank you for shedding light on this.
Oh my god, a face! :) Excellent mustache. Edit: Excellent video too. As a fellow writer, I really hope this horrid experience doesn't crush Jake's passion. It is no small feat to do what he's done. Completing a project of that size is incredibly difficult and he should be proud of it.
Are we not going to talk about the massive violation of the IP holder's rights? Not even a little? You can say "for entertainment purposes only" all day, but you're still selling someone else's property for cash, and that's effed up.
Is it reasonable to assume that this book did very little to negatively affect the IP. It’s also clearly defined as fair use as it’s transformative in nature. Maybe it’s morally gray but it’s not clearly theft either.
Didn't expect that little solidarity turn at the end, but I welcome you, comrade.
Incredible video. Thank you so much for the work you did on it. It was a fine piece of journalism.
Halloween 5 is on KZhead in its entirety. Seems the rights holders are really keen to keep an eye on that entry into the franchise.
Same with Halloween 4
You left out an important piece of how to fight this....where can we get our copies? If the big guys smell blood in the water, i.e, fan money, they'll come knocking. It's probably painful to consider continuing the fight, but let him know he's got support this round.
that's some really disgusting behavior, and now looking at twitter it's sad to see some people making out Sean to be the victim of the situation because people took issue with his behavior or trying to justify the bullying as a conversation about copyright and not a personal harassment campaign by a petty individual.
I genuinely needed this, I just had no idea. Thank you.
I’m in two minds here. Copyright exists for a reason. Is it always ethical? No. Is it always right? No. However, it does actually exist to protect authors, and it’s fairly dumb in my view to publish it where you’re getting paid for it. Anyone should know that would get you into trouble for a huge franchise. Setting up a dedicated Substack for it would have been the better option. I’m not anti-copyright because they DO exist for a reason, and I don’t think people should be able to use other’s work freely or without credit. I don’t think putting Jake on blast was the right way to go about it.
A lot of these defenders are blindly casting doubt on the big companies, immediately dehumanising them, but how can we have any progress or any kind of mediation if the side who feels dehumanised only does the same?
welp, Encyclopocalypse will never see another dime from me.
Great video as always. made me weirdly emotional. Thank you for creating this!
your work is superb.......thank you......nice to see you finally too!
Sean seems like the type of guy who got teased in middle school and feels he needs to punish random people for it. Ironically he gave the book the most generous amount of free advertisement you can think of lol
Such is the irony of the terminally self-righteous. The Falwell Effect.
he also got the author to remove the book and apologize to him, which is nothing but sad. someone who definitely didn't leave the situation as a winner is the poor author.
@@gyg_pa9381 In Praise of Shadows just posted an update to the situation. The book is actually up now for free, which means that the author has won, since he never really cared that much about money anyway. It will likely get a ton of downloads.
@@yggdrasil2 that's really pleasant to hear, where could I read it?
@@gyg_pa9381 Under the community tab on his channel. :) Cool profile pic BTW!
Thank you for putting yourself out on this. I can only hope to one day create something that others find so exciting and appealing, they take it for themselves and give it a new spin. We should strive to live in a world where that kind of art can thrive, where it can enrich and inspire others to make new creations of their own. The alternative is stagnation, a world of endless regurgitation and generative-remix slop. Copyright has a place, and probably always will, as a tool to hold the powerful accountable. It should never be weaponized to punch down, or even laterally for that matter.
Great job! Love your focus on the often overlooked.
Also--great lighting
Tbh I have never heard of novelization before, thank you for opening me to this!
Dude was warned, given advice and published without the rights/authorization anyway. Then got blasted. No one should get bullied, but also FAFO.
Oh yeah, because those people were totally on the right of doing that. As apparently are you, the paragon of justice and righteousness.
I'm 4 minutes in, and already the video is not going in the direction I expected.
This is the brilliant video I've seen in a long time. Gods Bless You.
For some reason this video didn't apear in my Subscription feed. Well, another incredible job, Zane! I love how you show your face! In this one I think it is necessary not to hide behind anything. I dare to say this look much more like a Zane Whitener video than an In Praise of Shadow, and they're both so good to watch. Another thing that I must say is that I keep watching great content creators like you, Super Eyepatch Wolf, Atrocity Guide and others that are strongly and freely speaking against late capitalism practices and that's beautiful! We need that more than ever!
30 minutes in and I'm teary eyed..wish the Author the very best and have no words for mr. Sean, he showed his real face, as often lowlifes do... when they are in a position of power.