GR86 vs MX5 RF (ND2) - Is Miata Always the answer? | Everyday Driver TV Season 10
The Toyota GR86 and the Mazda ND2 MX5 RF are definitive examples of affordable fun cars. This niche category has been ruled by the Miata for decades, with challengers coming and going. The GR86 represents the second generation of the 86 and the best possible challenger. But people say the "Miata Is Always The Answer". Who makes the best affordable, usable, sports car?
00:00 - 1:40 Fun and Affordable?
1:40 - 5:57 Styling & Interior
5:57 - 11:16 Power & Performance
11:16 - 16:45 Ride & Handling
16:45 - Conclusions
This TV episode first premiered on MotorTrend cable channel in July of 2022, and is also available on Amazon Prime Video.
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The fact that the Miata has never been out of production should tell people something. That shows you how good of a car it always has been, also the fact that Mazda doesn't use parts from the parts bin for the suspension and other parts shows the dedication they have towards the Miata. Most companies today won't even make a sports car on their own.
Well the Miata isnt a sports car for me.
@@Sinancan93 not for you, but for allot of other people and the racing class it has.
@@Sinancan93 the miata is def a sports car. It may not be the sports car for everyone, because its not focused on performance as stock. but a quick investment into tires and suspension this thing turns into a scalpel in the turns.
@@sshhddoo9892 it even kinda bugs me that the gr86 is compared to a Miata 😂😂 it's a roadster!!! C'mon. Love the gr86 though
@@Sinancan93 they arent the same car I agree but because of price range and mostly that people are going to cross shop between the 2 always, it has to be compared. but their conclusion is on the money. Get the miata if you want to open air experience, get the 86 if you want more usability
This is the real battle...affordable no-nonsense sport cars with all the ingredients needed to hoon, drive and cruise
Idk about you guys, but every Miata I've seen in Canada are high trim from models worth 40k plus. Most FRS/BRZs I see are below 40k, and in the end that really says alot more about affordability than looking at MSRP. My buddy couldn't find a Miata below 40k for over a year now, meanwhile a base model or higher trim brz are all available below 40k CAD. All I'm saying is I do not consider new miatas affordable, nor does the price point make any sense to me
@@invertedv12powerhouse77 Seems to be the opposite here in the US. It’s common knowledge here that almost every single car is experiencing some sort of shortage and price increase, except the Miata. There’s lots of articles about how the Miata is really the only car that isn’t being price gouged.
@@hotdogstandman there's just no low trim models here. All high trim 40k-58k. And that's in Quebec and Ontario, I know Ontario has laws about upselling
Gr all day
@@hotdogstandman UKNOW is right I bought a new Club RF in late September for a very fair price below MSRP. A friend bought one a few weeks ago and he got a good deal as well. He looked at the 86/BRZ twins but the markup was eye watering.
I'm amazed the ND Miata is six years old and still looks so good; I think it's going to be a true classic. That said, as an ND2 owner, your conclusions are spot on: as a toy, the ND2 is hard to beat for the price; but as a car, the GR86 is a compelling all-rounder.
If Mazda made it with a hard roof (that you cant retract) then there would be enough space to make it similarly practical in my opinion. But I doubt most people looking into MX5 are doing so to have it as their main/only car. Only I can be that stupid :D its big enough to do some grocery shopping, it will take a girlfriend/wife with you on a short trip...thats enough practicality for a 2nd car in the family in my opinion - in my case the only car to have because Im not planning on buying another 1.9tdi octavia xD
@@MisoElEven been dailying my 2005 Mazdaspeed Miata for the past year and it's been pretty good all-around. Took it on a 2500km trip in 5 days, and that was a blast. Except it was painfully uncomfortable when it wasn't fun 🤣
@@MisoElEven The Miata RF shape, but as a fixed roof lift back would be my perfect car. (I wish the GR86/BRZ was a liftback too)
@@themockalove what's so uncomfortable? the seats or the suspension?
@@MisoElEven That's my only hang up with the Miata. It's soft top. And the RF is a better compromise, but still I do not like convertibles. It's like a slab of metal with a windshield.
These two cars are honestly the most refreshing breaths of fresh air in the current performance car landscape. They don't care about impressing with spec sheet numbers or setting lap records. They just give you the timeless sports car formula and tell you to have fun. Cars like these used to be so common in the 80s and 90s and now they're all gone, but their spirit perseveres in these worthy successors.
Very well put. Happy driving, friend!
Fresh air? Lol they're the same recipes since 10 years ago...
@@kekethetoad refinement 👍🏼
@@kekethetoad The same recipe that has been refined even more.
Honestly, if Ford did not own part of Mazda, a Sierra Cosworth reboot would be intriguing.
I was LITERALLY just on Toyota’s website building a GR86. I get out, come to KZhead and BOOM! Well played, fellas… well played.
Been waiting for this one! ND2 owner myself, and it's my daily. Honestly for 99.9% of normal daily activities, it's plenty practical. I was never a convertible guy, and only went with the soft top to epitomize the lightweight characteristic of the car--but now that I've spent a lot of time with it, I have to say it adds a ton to the overall experience. S2000, twins, or ND, you're going to have a good time regardless of the one you're sitting in. Buy one and enjoy, you won't regret any of them.
Maybe it's because they had a fast back and not a true convertible but they underestimated the fun factor of having no roof by a long shot. I've owned a BRZ and I sold it for a Miata. Instantly was kicking myself for not buying a convertible 10 years ago. '13 BRZ and '13 Miata were nearly dead even in drag races (I had both for a short period) but the Miata felt faster and more enjoyable at any speed because of the soft top. I really enjoyed the BRZ but haven't looked back once.
ND2 RF owner here. It’s my daily up in Massachusetts so I got the hard top for the winter. Just got some top down time for the first time in a month and man does it make a difference! However, even with the roof up, the Miata is just a more engaging street car to me. My seat time in the twins is pretty limited, so take that with a grain of salt.
@@CattyScout If you look at their past videos, you'll see that they've driven plenty of convertibles, including all generations of the Miata. But I understand what you're saying, I've experienced cars featuring Targa configurations (as well as T-tops, etc.) and while I think they're great, they simply don't provide the full sensation of a true convertible (of which I've owned three in my lifetime, dating back to my first car). Despite my enthusiasm for them, I try to keep in mind that not everyone truly enjoys convertibles. Though I find this somewhat surprising, it's sort of like those people who just don't like dogs. Frankly that's almost unthinkable to me, but then maybe they were bitten when they were younger, or had some other sort of bad experience. Whatever, the reality is that we don't all like the same things.
@@KZcheeseOut of curiosity, which one of the new twins did you drive, the GR86 or the BRZ?
As a former S2000 owner, I wish Honda would make a new one. When that car just came out and I was young, I had the time of my life with it, and I was still in college. 😂 The warm summer nights driving it top down, the girls I had in it, oh the memories and nostalgia. 😭 Now I'm a middle-aged man with responsibilities. 😭
I can’t find my original comment, but when this video first came out I was all but sold on the 86, ended up with an RF instead and it was the best decision of my life!
While both are great lightweight (compared to contemporary vehicles anyways) my heart goes to the Miata because it can go topless. The roof off about any car just makes it that much more exciting!
especially for low speed fun factor
And no turbo to worry about.
@@t.k.morris both have no turbo to worry about....
woman moment
I have a 2022 GR86 in trueno blue, manual. I have to say it is the most fun I have ever had in a car. I don’t mean to sound emotional but I have had a crap car my entire life and I have saved for years to buy a car I love since I make very little money. I almost cry every morning knowing that I bought this car cash and I get to drive it everyday. The insurance is only $86 a month (what are the odds lol) and the mileage isn’t too bad. Yet I get to have fun with anything I do. Turning off traction control and getting a little silly in an empty parking lot always puts a smile on my face. It’s so comfy and rewarding. Sorry for the rant but I have nothing bad to say about this car. Truly an amazing car for the price.
Congrats! We hope you enjoy it for a long time and get to have some adventures in it. Thanks for watching.
That's absolutely awesome! Great for you. Hope you're still loving it!
We are lucky to have fun cars like these available for an affordable price! Glad the new 86 ended up being so good.
I agree. They are a dying breed
“Affordable”
@@gigi9467 get yo money up
@@rvs8238 lol, i have the miata actually am just saying 30k aint affordable. They try to justify the price but your a fool if you think these cars are worth 30k let alone more money!
There aren’t any comparable options in today’s car market at this price. This is also true of the used car market right now as well, as they will cost as much or even more than a new car. This magnifies the significance of the BRZ/86 being available at $29k, which is what my base model came in at.
MX-5 RF hands down, I miss mine.
The Miata RF has a retractable hardtop, so it can be driven with comfort in the winter, and the top off for summer. It just seems way more exciting to me than the GR86. I like that the Miata is smaller, and looks more like a baby Ferrari as you said. The sleek lines and angles appeal more to me. Nothing against the GR86, but when compared to the Miata, it just appears to be more bloated looking. Of course, this is all just personal taste and opinion. Both are great cars, and we're all just splitting hairs at this point.
I like the 86. Having a convertible doesn't work for me because my wig would come off.
The Miata is a better looking car. It's cooler and a convertible. A lot more cool points. But it's less practical and costs more. I think depending on what a person is shopping for the decision isn't that difficult. Having a midlife crisis? Just get the miata.
@@CalvinHikes Only women and boomers with mid-life crises buy convertibles.
@@salazamlmao so true, My boomer dad chose to buy a bmw M430i convertible instead of M2, it's priced the same in my country😂
@@salazam Maybe but the "Miata" still looks amazing.
2020 ND2 RF owner. I Love it. When you go through your mid-life crisis, you aren't looking for practical. You're looking for FUN! Driving in the summer at sunset with top down, radio on. I'll take the long way home 😀 I'm lucky that I work from home and my wife has her car, so we make it work. I store the Miata in winter and can't wait until spring time.
If owning an ND indicates a "mid-life crisis", then I've been having a crisis since I was 18. 😳
@@TucsonDude 18 years old and you had a brand new Miata? I wish I were that lucky. Miata is not the kind of car you have when raising a family with 3 kids. For that a minivan is always the answer.
@@ckohlermn I've owned sports cars all my life. Many were junkers, but I kept moving up the food chain of cars. My point is that a sports car is always not a sign of a midlife crisis.
Having driven the 1st gen 86 and owned an ae86, I can definitely say that this second gen has that tight Toyota feeling that the ae86 had and the 1st gen 86 was lacking. Also, the gr86 just looks right in terms of proportion when u see it in person. It definitely passes the vibe of a well engineered car.
The OG AE86 is peak Toyota design, imo. That shape is perfect. I have an 85 Celica Supra MK2 P-Type and I love it just as much.
@@Deschain-um7jz most people don't like the ''boxy'' look of 80's cars, I just love them. ae86 has the best shaped body I've ever seen in a car (your Celica is awesome as well). Unfortunally I had to sell my ae86 a couple of years ago. I do however have an 88 rx7 thats very clean (resembles the initial D from the first season). I probably get more looks in my rx7 than people driving ferraris and things like that, just timeless boxy design for the win.
The only reason why I love the 86, is because when you go the track you can fit a set of wheels and tires, and tools on back lol
It looks like a performance car. The Miata, while it looks better doesnt.
You have driven an AE86?
I really like the GR86, but I think the Miata is the most focused of the two. I own a Miata myself, and it is such a special car, specially with the top down. It makes you smile, it gives you a tan, and for some reason people turn their heads as you drive by. Yeah you only get two seats, and it is not the most practical, but it is the one I chose. It is my only car, and I hope it lasts forever. I may get a used GR86 when the prices come down, but I already have a fun car.
I've owned my GR about 2 weeks now and all I can think about is when can I drive it again. Seriously, the most fun I've had driving a car.
I put an Invidia N2 exhaust on mines. Imagine how I feel. Just gonna be a while till the exhaust breaks in and the annoying drone settles. Already broke in the car (1300 miles)
Did you have to wait for it?
@@farkle I ended up finding them posted online while they were still available. They probably figured anyone who didn't pick up their order immediately got shafted likely. Some dealers are shady like that.
If that car is the most fun you’re ever had in a car, then you haven’t driven much haha
I feel like all my life (26) I've been watching car videos and I sometimes find myself ignoring them because they are repetitive and simply eye candy. You guys however are very refreshing, every single time. Thank you for that (:
We consider that a huge compliment. Thank you! And glad to have you watching!
Last line "The next best thing, while still giving you.... usability". That's the difference. When I was younger, I owned a Toyota Celica, Nissan 240sx, Eagle Talon AWD. Having tiny back seats that fold down makes a car more usable. If I was that age now, I could see getting an 86/BRZ. I now own an ND2 RF as a daily driver because the wife has a sedan and the kids are moved out. If just driving fun is the priority and usability isn't the priority, then why get the "next best thing"?"
my celica brother
Had a '13 FRS. Great car looking for an engine. Characterless and if you told me it made 150 hp and 120 ft/lbs of torque? I'd believe you. New chassis reminds of RX8 rigidity with a much better engine. If you told me it Makes 250 horsepower and 200 ft/lbs of torque? I'd believe you. They nailed it. Love my '22 BRZ
What? 150 vs 250? And you'd believe either one? I don't get it.
@@papatorr3669 He's trying to say the that old BRZ felt extremely slow (it did) and the new one feels much quicker than what it says on paper.
you nailed it.
@@CattyScout the new one does actually make more
Actually on a dynp test the new gr86 makes on average 47 more horsepower than the first gen and 46 more foot lbs of torque, so if they would have rated the new cars power the same way they did they old car it would have around 250 hp and a little over 200 ft/lbs of torque
The production quality of these videos is insane.
I kept on trying Miata’s old and new. I really wanted one but they are so tight fitting for me. Then, in December I saw a GR86 for the first time. I actually ordered one without ever even sitting in one. A few weeks later I was able to sit it one. I fit! 6’2” and it felt good without any rubbing of my legs on the sides. I am ecstatic about having an 86.
Yeah kinda hard to get in one tho when there isnt a singe dealership out there with one on the lot. Only had to wait 2 months on mine tho so wasnt too bad
Gorgeously shot and edited. Great work! As an owner of an RF as a second car, you nailed it.
I’ve daily driven my ND1 for 3.5 years, and it’s practical enough, but it helps my wife has a midsize SUV for trips, Costco runs, or buying a piece of furniture, lol. I am seriously interested in the new GR86, but honestly it will be hard to top my Miata.
Pssst.. Miata flair/genes, 🏁🏎 💨 but also hatch back/ cargo capacity, 🎒 🧳 💼 but also ground clearance: Mazda CX30 Turbo 🌬
I own an ND2 RF and I would choose it every single time over the 86. The 86 feels discernibly larger and the Miata looks better. That said, it may be easier for me to say because I have a second vehicle and I don't disagree with anyone for taking the 86. I'm just glad they make these cars for us, with three pedals and a stick.
In my opinion toyota looks better but i am glad you love yours....
naaah, the GR86 looks better, that's not saying th ND looks bad, but the proportions are sleeker on the toyota. The Miata truly looks like a toy car being so short.
You crazy the Mx-5 looks like a grammar car 🤣🤣
I probably wouldn't fit in a Miata, as much as I would like one. But I have always been more of a GR86 fan
miata looks like a chick car, and that's not a complement
I know what I'm going to say is sacrilegious, but I've driven many different iterations of the Cayman and last week drove the GR86. The latter is more fun, mainly as it is willing to rotate and play. The Cayman has more grip but is more sterile, and ultimately more serious. The GR86 is the goldilocks between the Cayman, new GTI and Miata.
There's no way to convince someone that I'm not being biased, but I've got a 2018 BRZ (manual with the shorter final drive, performance pack with the Sach dampers), my dad has a 987 Cayman, and I've Turo-ed a 981 Boxter S for some L.A. canyon driving, and I find the BRZ to be the most fun in the twisties (when going straight/on highway, of course the flat 6 is preferable). I can only imagine (for now) how much even more fun the 2022 twins are.
@@pkennethv nope you are not crazy. The 22s are modern Porsche 944s. Those who want more can look into super chargers. It's a tough call between this and the upcoming GR Corolla
@@sunnyvalentino if that Corolla wasn’t in the works, I’d have a GR86 on order. They’re going to be impossible to get sadly
@@Boomtowndogs yes, they will be impossible. Period. I expect huge markups to. By the time you pay that, youa re talking about a 40 to 45k usd Corolla in usa, no thanks. I'll check out the new Golf R instead and GR86 has no markups
I enjoyed tracking my BRZ more than my Cayman S. On the streets it was the other way around.
Went with an ND2 RF Club(far better exterior styling than the GT) and bolted on an axle back. Quality and reliability are much better than the 86 & BRZ as well. With the top down it’s the most fun I’ve had in a car including my time in super cars. For some people, myself included, there’s no substitute for lightweight go cart feel. The exterior styling of the Club is timeless and continues to turn heads everywhere I go. It’s whimsical yet mature… I’m only in my 30’s but that’s somehow important haha
19 RF Club as my only car. I was shopping between this and the BRZ at the time, and the dip killed the BRZ for me. The new one is certainly interesting, and I'll definitely be test driving one when I have a bit more free time. I will say though, having owned the RF now for 3 years, I have no problems having it as my only car. If you ever need more room, just call an Uber. What it does for you on everyday drives though is hard to replace without a convertible. The car is just so responsive. Body roll is a bit on the heavier side, but it just makes you feel like you're more on edge. The BRZ at the time felt so much more planted, but it didn't feel more lively. Confident yes, but playful, not as much.
Just a quick note.... of all the KZheadrs out there, you have the best production quality of them all. Please keep up the excellent work!
I had the hardest time deciding which one I wanted to buy. Ended up with the 2022 BRZ for one specific reason. My golf clubs fit in the trunk with minimal inconvenience. If my finances improve I still want a Miata!
Hows it going? do you have the Miata yet? 👀
The Miata has my heart, but I can only afford one car, and the fact that I can't fit a guitar case in the Miata makes the GR86/BRZ seem like the better fit.
Ive fit a full 88 keyboard in the passenger seat of my Miata :)
@@kujomarten3867 Clearly you weren't expecting any groupies, maybe you need to up your keyboard game? All joking aside, there's no question that roadster owners can get incredibly creative when it comes to hauling things around.
I can get a vox Amp and 2 guitars in my NA, a bit more room in the older models...
@@danielthomas8507 I could just fit a Fender case in the trunk of my RX7 convertible, and could stiff a smallish amp in the passenger's seat. Unfortunately the ND seems to have a smaller trunk, and more importantly a smaller opening.
@@scoobers90 yeah the NA has fairly big space behind the seats I can get a les paul there my Tele in the front with the amp on the seat hahah the show must go on 😆
I have to hand it to toyota. The new 86 is IMO the best budget sports car - balance, control, practical space, and better engine.
I'm in the process of getting a GR86. I've wanted one ever since scion died and Toyota face-lifted the first generation in 2017, and when they debuted this current one, I said I'm all in. I've only ever drive fwd and awd cars, this will be my first rwd true sports car. The fact the premium model has some nice creature comforts like heated seats and mirrors make it good enough to be my only car, especially in PA winters.
If this is your first rwd and you live in PA (a place where I assume it snows a lot) you’re gonna have to be very careful. Most people who don’t know how to drive rwd often times wreck their cars in the snow
@@themexicansensation2698 I drive one in sweden, no issue at all in the snow, most fun winter car ever. Just buy really good winter tyres.
@@garagecedric I plan on it.
@@themexicansensation2698 I work as a delivery driver, the pickup trucks we use do not have 4wd and don't have good snow tires either. I should be alright. I appreciate your concern though.
@@garagecedric yeah as long as you get good winter tires you should be good. But for the inexperienced it can still be dangerous
Can’t go wrong with either car. The fact that the Miata still gave a new production car trouble being 6 years old is actually very impressive. Can’t wait to see what Mazda comes out with next.
I think the hosts of the video are correct that the ND Miata will go down as one of the unique and "just right" cars in a few decades. If it is 6 years old, with minor revisions along the way, and still at the top of its class against brand new competition revisions that is very impressive. It will be interesting to see if we get another generation of Miata and what it does.
The Miata has and always will be gay. If you're gonna get a little girl's car at least get an MG or an Alfa.
@@salazamIf owning a Miata is gay then paint my car rainbow metallic mica, because fun is fun.
@@salazamAww, sorry to see you're quite so insecure. Get behind the wheel of one and then report back as to how 'gay' you feel.
@@salazamSalty that your 150 horsepower shitbox isn't fun much?
I've been watching a tonne of GR86 reviews and this was a nice contrast of opinions, good to see the positives on the Miata as well but I liked the point made about each car being an only car.
I had the ND1 Miata Club and loved it, but got the new BRZ a couple months ago, and love it even more. It was pretty easy to unplug the piped in engine sound, and so grateful I did. That was a pretty obnoxious sound. Excellent video on two wonderful vehicles.
Tremendous video... Great discussion and beautiful visuals as well. Would love to be able to hear the GR86 (you gave us a bit of this in the exterior drive by shots) so that we can gauge how the car sounds without the fake engine note from the speakers (I think you guys used to do audio-only B-reel videos). Keep up the great work!
Both the ND2 and the GR86 are great cars for their class. I have an ND2 and had an NC2. I love my ND2. My favorite car I've ever owned. The ND definitely isn't as practical and doesn't have as much power, but when you live in Arizona and have that top down, it can't be beat. Also, remember the ND is on it's way out while the GR86 is on it's way in. Let's revisit this when the 5th gen MX-5 comes out.
Agreed!
There will be a facelift for the ND before the next gen comes though.
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 Where does this information come from?
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 That would be the ticket. They need to finesse or sharpen the back taillights and even fronts maybe. They really have an odd fascination on the styling there. The nb has the best back and decent front closer resembling the gr86 which is nice.
I recently sold my ND soft top because I wanted a quieter ride on the highway. I miss it and might actually buy an RF. The car is just so much fun even when you’re going s”slow”. I use to like to drive just to drive, no destination in mind.
You Fkd up. Lol highway noise is in every car just buy louder sound system. I drove my NA 6 hours from California after 10 mins i forgot about hwy noise. And the top on those are thin
@@curtfox91 lol Yea man, when I'm playing music it didn't bother me. But sometimes I wanted to listen to a podcast and had to turn it all the way up to hear anything 😂
@@BKHD8 Yeah i have my volume cranked. Sometimes i dont listen to Music i just wanna hear the car. I love how the Miata had so many Different personalities in 1 car you can do top up windows down or windows up W AC for listening to music or raw top down or top down windows up. We are lucky these things exist at the price point. Sold my GT86 and bought my NA and its not nearly as quick but it drives just as good and it makes me way happier. Hoping the ND will do the same when i get one
Having owned the first brz/86… that’s always the winner for me. It’ll win your heart for sure!
Both of these cars are beautiful. I really like the changes to the 86. I think it looks a lot better. And this new generation of the MX5/RF is the best looking one yet.
Love my 2020 86 (especially with a header and tune), but we absolutely would have ended up with a Miata if it weren't for the fact that my wife couldn't fit both her feet and a purse in the passenger footwell. That hump in there just killed it :(
You're so right! Passenger seat space is really poor in the MX5. Thanks for watching!
Yes, for me that was one of the drawbacks to a Miata. No place to put your jacket, purses, and any incidentals you'd want up front with you on a longer drive (other than the footwell.) That and it was really noisy in the interstate. So, I found a great deal on a new '17 BRZ Ltd with Performance Package (Brembo brakes, different wheels, Sachs dampers) and put a Borla axle back on it. It's been great fun. I appreciate it every time I get in and drive. I'm sure the MIata would have been fun too, and it has some plusses, but it would have spent more time in the garage while I took the SUV. Looking forward to trying the next gen though.
@@EverydayDriver don't mean to butt in off topic but how was the wind buffeting at speed on those roads in the rf with the top down? thanks guys and great review!
@@EverydayDriver You guys do such a good job, I'm actually surprised that you didn't mention this. That sort of information would be important to a lot of buyers, especially those considering either of these as an only car. This is actually something worthy of mention in any car review. Because let's face it, just like car prices - Americans are getting larger every year.
@@frankkociara4228 Soft top is quieter when top's down, RF is quieter when top's up. I put on my active noise cancelling headphone when I do roadtrip with my Softtop. lol
Another great video, thank you! Would love your take on these new cars vs old cheaper alternatives like the 986 boxster, z3 and so on.
Always love your roads and footage!! Leaving Tuesday for Glenwood Springs CO from Reno and it'll be 80 to 15 to 6 to 70 so not that much beauty! But will enjoy the stinger gt-line and the 36 MPGs on the open road! Thanks for all that small car magic!
These are some of the most gorgeous shots I've ever seen in a car review video. Nice work!
I did drive a new GR86 and it's pretty darn good, but the fact that it has a roof is exactly why I don't want one.
Great episode! ND1 soft top owner here. Such fun 😎
Just bought and ND2. Learned manual on it. Loving every second. Would have considered 86 more, but my area has no availability for it. I was pretty much 50/50 on both and went for what was easier to find at a good deal (no markup) I dont think you can go wrong with either if you are in the market for a car like this
I don't have a dog in this fight, but as an older sports car fan I can say that I'm glad both of these options exist for new car buyers today. While the new kid in town always generates a lot of interest, it seemed pretty obvious to me that Paul and Todd were really enthusiastic about both of these cars. In the end, it all comes down to individual preferences. I'd likely enjoy the ND2 (soft-top version) the most simply because I'm a big roadster fan.
My local dealers put 10k markup on new Miatas nowadays. lol insane.
@@puga4202 The dealer here refuses to mark anything up. Got it for base msrp. Cities around were easily 2-3k higher
You should have bought a Honda Fit or a Civic. Reliable, practical, and parts are plentiful and cheap.
@@salazam Im almost 2 years into owner ship and dont regret a single thing about choosing to go with a miata. Its also reliable and has plentiful parts. Practicality has not been an issue at all, ive never needed more space than it gives me.
Been watching you guys for years and still love the videos. You guys are the reason I ended up with a white Gen 1 FRS. I have owned a few sports cars in my day, both muscle and import, but the FRS to this day has been my favorite followed very closely by my old '06 Evo IX MR. Sadly I had to get rid of my FRS but when I can, I will get another.
As an ND1 owner, I have to say I love my car; it's the best feeling in the world, a canyon run is so worth it, even if it only has two seats I wouldn't change it any other way
Had a ND & loved it. I really liked the GT86 & the GR86 is even better. I don’t know which one I’d pick. I miss my convertible but I love the 86
I love my 2020 MX-5 RF and it is my ONLY car! Don't need to share my fabulous ride and I get my big purchases delivered. Do the math.....it's cheaper and less stressful. Retired from IT troubleshooting 10 years ago and am enjoying a carefree Miata lifestyle. The ol' girl just wants to have fun. Miata is always the answer (unless I'm on my sailboat).
Two things that ABSOLUTELY transform the ND miata. A seat lowering bracket to drop the drivers seat 1.5” and a slightly smaller steering wheel. Those two things are absolute game changers.
That and it’s ridiculously under tired 205s ? Crappy Bridgestones??
@@Storm88000 the 205’s are fine… Bridgestones are less than ideal but a 200Tw 205 is a great match for the miata. Keep in mind that a 205 is more tire width per weight than a GT350. 205 keeps down weight, rolling resistance, and aero drag.
I had an ND2 with those exact mods as you mention but being 6’ it still wasnt enough! With a helmet on, on track, my head would often touch the support piece of the top that sits between the A and B pillars (soft top). That’s just not very confidence inspiring when it comes to safety… Ultimately had to sell it because it wasnt trackable or dailyable enough. It’s more of a weekend car than daily or track.
@@dylansorenson2784 i agree! I have a blackbird fabwerx roll bar to pass the broom test. I’m 6’1”. I also clearanced the plastic piece my right leg hit by the center consol and added a 1/8” leather pad in its place. The car is my daily driver and weekend toy. We have a few other vehicles for trips or hauling stuff.
@@dylansorenson2784 Miata? not trackable enough? I guess thats why theres a whole class of racing called "Spec Miata" right?
Great photography and production makes this a pleasure to watch 🙏
I have been watching your channel for a while now and you guys are the best comparing and reviewing cars and trucks. Keep it up 👍
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Great video as always, and loving the Black Bay Paul!
These days (January 2023) the GR86 from a dealer in Germany costs around 45.000€ and the MX5-RF with Sports package is at around 38.000€ when already registered (meaning the guarantee timer already started some months ago). Gone are the days where you could get an mx5 rf for around 28k or the GR86 for 34k.
2 very cool cars. Thanks for the content! 😁Love the changing camera angles/views... I can tell you guys put a ton of time into your videos.
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Miata affordable RWD fun AND a convertible. No other option even exists.
@Jimmy Two Times You mean the Fiata with a slower turbo charged engine that will fall apart in a couple years?
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@Jimmy Two Times Significantly more expensive. The base new Z will be 40k. A convertible version would have to be at least 45K. The closest price competitors are the base EcoBoost Mustang and Camaro Turbo convertibles that start at 33K but sacrifice interior and features. All these options are significantly heavier cars that are worth considering but provide a significantly different driving experience on top of being more expensive.
@@savageguysi8456 Fossil.
Another good video comparison. Always surprised when you two agree!
was looking forward to this comparison, great job guys
Never owned a Miata, but I've been loving my Fiata Spider 124 for a couple years now. So much fun
I mean, it's kinda the same car
@@Daniel-dj7fh Sure..except for the turbocharger, the engine, the transmission, the exhaust, the horsepower, the torque, the weight ratio, rarity due to low production numbers... Oh and the extra 5 inches... But other than that, ya, totally the same car 😊
@@GreyCrowe You know that they're both on the same platform right?
@@Daniel-dj7fh many cars share "platforms". but a frame and interior are much less substantial of a similarity, than an engine.. transmission.. emissions system.. power plant.. and body are as differences. They're more like cousins than siblings
@@GreyCrowe I think that's relative, it just depends if you are ready or legally allowed to make adjustments to your vehicle's interior or exterior. Similar to how many people mod their drive train or interior. Not everyone is willing/ interested/ knowledged to do so, many things can be changed.
Whoa!!! I’ve been trying to decide between these two! Thanks!
Great comparo. Your car to car shots are on POINT.
I had a Miata RF auto rental for 4 days in the big island last week. It is a must drive car for the twisty windy road if you ever visit Hawaii. I want one now so bad, but as they said, it would be really difficult to live with it as the only car.
through the years of miatas, Then the 1st gen 86..and having a 2nd gen BRZ now. This video is 100% one of the best reviews when it comes down to the questions between the two platforms. Spot on and honest.
Thank you! We’re pleased this rings true for you as someone who has ownership experience. Glad to have you watching!
Great video, much appreciated. I hope everyone that can afford to buy one of these two goes out and buys one of these. Maybe 7 years from now I can afford one of them. In the meantime, the affordable sports (sporty) car Everyday Driver comparisons demonstrated that for about a third of the money you can have sporty cars that are as good or better in most metrics. I happen to have several that I prefer to these two in one way or another. 1995 - 2005 Were great years for sports and sporty cars!
From somebody who’s been hooning in SoCal and NorCal for 25 plus years, I need to take a road trip to Calleraaddo ASAP! That road and those drone shots! I’m truly in awe just from watching it on my phone! You guys rock! P.S. @16:20 those serpentine curves 😍
A very much awaited comparison and good presentation.
Truly impressed with the new 86. I own a nd2 club convertible w/ brembo bbs package as well as some light track mods at this point. Gotta say I love it. Have for 3 years. That says a lot considering we also own a 718 cayman S with all the options. The Miata is very capable and you can mold it to your desire with some money and drive time. That being said I'm truly intrigued and am for sure going to test drive the new 86. Hopefully on the track when one of my friends buy one lol.
There is an easy fix for disabling the firewall engine speaker on the GR86/BRZ. Opening the passenger door you can remove a side panel on the dashboard and access the plug for the speaker and unclip it.
Got my Invidia N2…gonna unplug it soon. Just that until the exhaust breaks-in I need something to balance out the drone 😂
Once again a great video guys keep it up 👍
Wonderful vs! It's very nice seeing these manufacturers respond to enthusiasts' critique.
I knew a guy, my neighbor actually who sold his V8 Vantage for a miata for the performance of it and just how balanced it was and to all honesty told me the miata was far cheaper to run on track.
If I didn't currently have an ND2 I would strongly consider the new GR86. With that said there is no way my ND2 could be my only car. I sometimes have to carry a lot of gear for work and the ND2 will not work for me. I do drive it every chance I get.
This is the first time i've watched this channel, and i'm subscribing! These dudes don't let you hanging onto which car they would pick!
Great video, exactly what I was looking for. Yeah, that convertible looks fun, but I have a motorcycle and you asked the question I needed an answer to: can it be your everyday, only car? Going to go test drive an 86 tomorrow. Thx guys, glad you're still around kickin' tires for us.
The answer is YES after owning both. The 22 GT RF is a spectacular car. No one talks about the great blind spot monitoring, best I have experienced, better than my high end Porsche. The RF makes it simple to put top down on even short trips, fantastic. It is my most fun daily driver. The engine is perfectly tuned to the transmission, you can use all gears within 40MPH and 40+ mpg is easily obtainable and it is hard to get less than 33 around town even with spirited driving. The loser may be my new Corvette in the garage, although for pure v8 muscle its hard to beat…
I think you guys are pretty spot on. I own a 2019 MX-5 (ND2) as my only personal vehicle and it is everything I want it to be. The biggest draw for me is the convertible soft top which there is no competition for in the price segment. I have a large family and the only way this works for us is having teenagers with their own vehicles. When we go somewhere as a family, we just take two cars. I would like a different daily driver during the colder winter months here in Georgia, but the Miata is not bad with the top up. For reference, I'm 5'8" and about 160 lbs.
I bought the 2022 MX5 RF fully knowing it's limitations. I bought it to have a true sports car, never expecting it to fill any other role. I wanted something that came close to the 1972 MGB I had as far as pure driving fun and it has done that magnificently. My 535 BMW does just fine with all my other needs. It has a glove box and a real trunk.
Just found this video and the filming has blown me away!
I started out wanting the new Z (was put on waiting lists) n then looked at BRZ (dealer only had last Gen in showroom, so no test ride). Ended up buying 2022 RF GT as my weekend toy and totally happy with it.
I just bought the new 86 and I love it. And got it for MSRP which was surprising these days.
I bought a 21 Miata nd2 club as my daily driver and wasnt to happy. Things changed a lot when I got a second car now I want to drive my Miata way more. It's simply just not a great daily driver. Everyday im happier than ever that I didn't sell it. Ps that has to be the best comparison video ever.... Nice work!
Thanks for doing a serious video on this car, it's a car that has stayed true to its original goal, that's respectable! :)
There's a lot of us who have been wondering your take on how these two compare. Shoulder season in the mountains is pretty epic! Thanks for a great video.
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I’m still sad that Scion is gone, but I’m glad that the legacy lives on as the GR86.
My bro had a nice white 2006 tC. The years after, they were ugly though, Toyota kinda killed it off on their own. The elongated corner windows, 🤢. Was never a fan of the tB boxes but I heard they were very roomy inside.
i needed this, decision made! Thank you.
Your video ideas are great. Specially the comparisons
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What a video!! I love the 86, and I'm definitely buying a GR86 as my first car!!
Had a 16 Miata as a single car, lived with it for 3yrs did long distance, autox, track day, put 60k miles on it, what an awesome experience that was. But I totally agrees, if he calls would I want to go out with him again? The answer is of course yes but yeah I’d ask myself for sure lol
I keep going back to these guys for really great comparos that help inform my vehicle purchases. They are hardcore enthusiasts and when they recommend something you can bet it’s going to be good.
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Thanks for sharing this video, very good review, interesting and informative.
I love my 2018 86. With minor mods I'm perfectly content with the power and performance levels. However if I fit in an RF I'd own one in a heartbeat. I'm too tall though, so 86 it is.
somehow the gr86 feels smaller inside than frs
How tall are you? I’m 6’5 and it’s kept me away from the Miata. I haven’t tried to fit in this current model though.
@@benjaminwerner7623 6’1 32 inseam. It’s puzzling cause I used to drive first and second gen mr2 daily and seemed to fit somehow. I get in frs and gr86 and immediately want to slide seat back further than it can go. My current 15 mustang 5.0 has tons to legroom to spare but I miss the lightweight car feeling. There should be a gr86 at a dealer near you to at least sit in.
Both are winners and I'm glad both exist... I have a deposit in for a 2022 Miata Club soft top with Recaro/Brembo/BBS package. I'm sad the days for cars like these are numbered.
Yes we have to be grateful that Mazda, Toyota and Subaru have kept with these models
Yep, gotta enjoy them while you still can.
Thanks for the great video. How would you think about the suspension of GR86, would it be too hard and uncomfortable for a daily use car?
Cannot wait to get my hands on both of these.
Thank you two for this video. Part of my obsession with cars involves the ever present dream of what could be. The story, presentation and passion you share helps fuel and deepen my journey. I know it will one day result in my enjoyment of one of these and hopefully several other cars, but for now I continue day dreaming about where I’ll start that leg of my journey. I’m frankly all over the place and want everything, so I think that currently having other priorities take precedence financially makes sense for now while that opportunity comes to me. Be well guys. I appreciate you both. I wonder if the GT86 had come out with the power and capability present in the GR86 if the community would have appreciated it as much or would it have been taken for granted? Maybe todays GR86 is as good as it is thanks to the GT86 missing the mark a bit? I don’t know if that thought makes sense or if it’s mindless ramblings taking place 45 minutes before midnight, but sometimes it’s important to be grateful for the things that “weren’t” to enjoy what’s present today.
There's no way to rewrite history, so who knows? But there are plenty of cars out there that improved over time because their manufacturers learned from their previous mistakes. At least those manufacturers who actually care and pay attention that is. As for the rest of your comment, it sounds like you definitely have your priorities straight. Good for you, you'll enjoy the resulting rewards that much more when they come. Good luck!
@@VirtualGuth Thanks, I'm hoping so. :) I love cars and want to have them all, but reality knocks and I have to prioritize. You have a good end of your week!
Never realized the 86s were that cheap in the US/ Canada. In western Europe it's a $60/70k car.
Does anyone buy them?!
USD? That's a LOT
@@dielaughing73 if he was talking Euros it would be more expensive since the dollar is less than a euro
@@kc510 They are extremely rare here in the Netherlands due to the limited run time (2012-2013) and the price. This new generation 86 is probably even more expensive than the previous version of 60k euro. Possibly up to 75k in dollars. (Lovely taxes) If I’m not mistaking, the new GR86 also had a limited run time of 2 years.
lmfao Europe is horrible 70k for an economy car with 200hp? Poor souls At 25k its a touch high - at 35k for the TRD version its a joke.....at 70k its insulting
Absolutely great comparison. I'd be curious to see just how different the GR86 and BRZ are from each other.
1 year later and the GR86 is still blowing up on tracks with oil starvation on hard right turns